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You're really in it. You're really in it. She's fine. She's not going to be here forever. Whoever is working for Shake Shack and is listening to this, you need to bring this to the top immediately because they need to keep this as a permanent staple. They literally, you know what magic shell is? That like it like hardens. Yes, I love it. They literally, not like how like a coffee shop will like drizzle a little caramel. Like they literally coat the whole thing so the cup looks brown. And then they put a milkshake in it so it stays hard. And then as you drink the milkshake, it slowly falls into the milkshake. And so you can like eat chunks of the hard chocolate. So good. And it's a strawberry kind of, so it's like chocolate covered strawberries. Okay. I actually have currently a chocolate covered strawberry iced coffee because Blaze bought chocolate covered strawberry coffee creamer and I put it in some like cold brew and it's so good. And I was going to say, it made me think of you. And now I know you have the same, oh my gosh, what a season of life. i i can't and everybody anybody who knows me knows that chocolate or strawberries they're not even romantic to me that's just that's the that's the end game that's the end game food right there um that's the death row food for me and you really didn't think it was um romantic but like you're literally crying over it so maybe it was more romantic than you thought there's there's no one who yearns for this milkshake so like i want to be yearned the way i yearn for this milkshake i'll get it together like after seeing your face i'm like Damn, I feel inadequate compared to this fucking milkshake. Allison's literally never cried over me, and here I am in the morning about a milkshake. Wow. Christine, if you – I'm not – I'm literally not – if you're ever going to have a milkshake, you have to have this one. It's so good. Okay, I do love a milkshake. Like, every few months, I'm like, I need a milkshake today, so maybe that'll be my next one. I'm sure there's one around here somewhere. We also need a paycheck because I just really gave Shake Shack the deal of a lifetime. That was incredible. That was – The deal of a lifetime. Oh, on the show, you mean? Yeah. Yeah. I was like, no one even, no one paid us, but like, wow, you ought to, because I'll never speak so highly about a milkshake in my entire life. They really knew what they were doing with that. It was so good. And that's why we drink sent you, and they're going to be like, what? What the fuck does that mean? We don't care. Like we're a mafioso, and we're like, they'll know what it means. Yeah. Em sent me. I can't wait to drink it again. And, by the way, I think I'm the only person on earth who ever says this, but one of my other favorite foods is chocolate pudding. they have a chocolate pudding milkshake right now what is going on over there it's like they heard my you it's like they read my diary and went okay we got it we're on it they kind of did i think because you know what i say perception creates reality you want to live in a world with pudding milkshakes here you go it's like lucky girl syndrome it's like i'm so lucky that there could be one of those out there and then all of them showed up at one in the morning when i needed it most that's what happens man it's beautiful the end that's why i drink i'm really impressed i'm happy for you i'm happy for you why do i drink um well oh i know i drink because i i sold out twice i was so honored and and thrilled i sold out twice of the uh abolish ice little devil stickers and because i wasn't on camera last time i can just show it here i think i have one on here oh yeah we weren't on camera right we were not on camera oops um and i was so impressed because like i or surprised like pleasantly surprised because i sold out and then I sold out again and I was like I got to close this damn store before because I'm I don't have enough and so um oh here's a little sticky guy if you're watching and you haven't seen it um but I so I I sold like I think like 400 of them and all the proceeds are going to the National Immigrant Justice Center and I'm really excited and I'm like wow I feel very uh thankful for everybody who bought a sticker and um maybe I will restock them I'm not sure yet but uh it's oh this is my drink this is my drink because i went to ship them all out and i was like this time i'm going to be on top of it and i'm going to do it and i i printed them all out and they're getting labeled and all of a sudden i realized something odd all the streets all the all the zip codes and cities are different but the street address somehow i'd copy and paste it into 400 address labels but not the like city and state and zip so i didn't notice it so it was just kind of it was like 134 Highway Ave or something but that was for all of them and I'm just so glad those didn't get mailed out and then 400 of them came back to my P.O. box like I would have been I bet you that for 1234 Highway Ave would have had so many stickers in every different city in America just like dropped off at the highway anyway that was extremely cringy behavior on my part but all that to say um i'm gonna try again later i ordered new shipping labels so i gotta try that again but um i'm working on it so if you have not received your secret i promise i'm working on it um but they should go out any day now so that's why i drink because i looked at it and went are you fucking gonna like i spent hours doing that there's nothing more frustrating than thinking oh um i'm actually gonna i can feel it in my bones i can be productive today and then look at me and you're like well i should have never even tried it was so organized everything had like rubber band in a folder and like was organized in a container and then i'm like that was your first problem the fuck did i do i got ahead of myself see sometimes lucky girl syndrome works and then other times like it's the optimism i feel like it was actually the poison where i'm like oh i i this is gonna be great this is gonna be great that's the delusion you have to kind of suffer through as part of it you know that's just kind of part it's like um collateral damage sort of you just kind of be a little delusional i you know what yes yes yeah um what do you drink oh you have your little chalk chalk oh no look at that that's like a nice little i got a straw 99 strablins yeah i'm telling you i love i love her i don't know what she oh every time i take a sip of her i literally have to contain myself i'm like oh you know now are we talking about lemonade or the milkshake now that's a good question is it both in all those okay okay bing bong i love money and uh luckily i have more of it now because rocket money has saved me in so many different ways see you never again cincinnati inquirer.com or whatever it's called too bad there are just way too many things i was putting my money towards and i didn't even know it that was the worst part i'm just i'm just handing out money i don't like that that's what like really hurts is when they're like hey do you know that you have six of these subscriptions and you're like what i was just like shelling out though left and right what am i made of money what am i made of money yeah look out rocket money's coming through okay because i also got an email the other day from rocket money being like hey we saved you 200 and some dollars you didn't ask us to but we just like went and checked and got and i was on like a newspaper subscription i was like i didn't even ask you to do that, but they just did it. 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Me telling it will be probably of average length, but I really thought I was going to have to. Anyway, I was going to have to. Force the narrative and I don't have to. So I'm scared to do this story because it is we're we're bending the rules today. However, I did get your permission last time. Oh, yes. And I already forget what it is, but I remember being like, hell, yeah. So everyone just be kind to me and you'll like it anyway. So like back up. Okay. Whoa. Actually back the fuck up everybody. This is, this is a story of a little puppy dog. See, everyone's already happy and he doesn't die and he doesn't become a ghost. So that's kind of the problem though, is that he's not, this is not paranormal. However, we found a way to stretch the truth last week when you called it an urban legend. It's not even a stretch of truth. I think this dog will live in the in the lore for for centuries. Like, I feel like this will be a local legend, you know, he is a local legend already. And the New York Times actually called him a mythical creature. And so I'm like, well, I'm using it. I'm running with it. You gotta you gotta. So this is Scrim, the dog of New Orleans. So excited. And again, this is probably the happiest story we ever will tell because nobody dies in either of our stories. It's incredible. So Scrim, let's see. take me back take me back christine 2023 we know it well 2023 it's all a blur it sure is so um now imagine a little white terrier oh little puppy that is the picture i sent you earlier that i told you not to look at this is scrim for your eyes oh my god i forgot how cute he is oh my and he looks like the dog from annie yes yes you know oh my god right sandy no he does not look like sandy oh i've never seen sandy colored wait what you just shouted out he just hopes that you'd be right okay i feel like i'm right well okay you find out you i think you're a liar hang on sandy dog annie maybe and maybe we watch different versions of sandy i have not watched any versions i told you that already okay and that one that's not that's not the right one okay everybody in case anyone's wondering christina's working off of the most recent disney channel i don't know what that is it disappeared no okay fine yeah that dog's bigger you're right that not the one okay fine it's a little bigger it reminds me of a dog from something though is it toto maybe but toto's white right girl first of all this dog's white which would make them identical no it's not is it it's black have you ever met a dog what are you talking about but you're totally right he looks like he looks like a dog i've seen before it looks just like jude law i can't unsee it i'm like so talk about delusional man i really have lost the fucking plot today there is something about him that seems so similar i mean he for people wondering he looks kind of like a westie um yeah but he looks like a little darker i don't know if that's the lighting of the picture or not but um he you know he reminds me of which is funny it sounds like scrim scamp from the sequel of lady and the tramp that's what i meant yep i thought so not that i've seen that either helping you out left and right here um look up scamp i feel like you have a better shot at agreeing with me there scamp from lady and the tramp it's like tramp son no it was nothing like okay we're both bad at this okay no i think i just like really off the deep end i think like probably more people will agree with you no i think actually i googled scam too and i think that he was wrong in my eyes whatever everybody's a fucking westy okay um so or we don't even know that they keep calling him a a wiry haired terrier mix but he looks like a westy and so 2023 this little puppy shows up on the scene hot shot he's found in a trailer park an hour outside of new orleans we do not know if he was a stray that happened to be going through this trailer park or if he was like someone's free roam dog you know what i mean either way regardless of his origin story um he was captured and taken in by an animal shelter and it seemed that when they took him in they assumed he was a stray and not someone's dog because he seemed like he had a checkered past he seemed like he had a rough life um so i don't know hopefully they did not kidnap him from someone's yard but i don't think that's the case either because nobody ever looked for him you know what i mean the irony because you'll find out so this animal shelter took him in however it was a kill shelter oh no they named him michael why would you name something i was about to go oh wait big mike big mike i was literally ready to say on to whatever the fuck you said and then michael came through and i went actually that's a hard no from me yeah not even like mikey you know like what are you doing yeah and he doesn't look like a michael no not what dog looks like a michael okay not scamp or the one from annie or none of them none of them they all look exactly the same but none of them look like Michael well so they named him Michael just to then like threaten euthanasia on him because nobody was adopting him maybe they name him Michael because then they get less attached that's true they're like it's just a random guy you know it's just Mike just Mike you know he won't be missed that can't be true I don't know I don't know either I don't I don't understand the concept of naming a dog I guess just to put something on the paperwork but yeah anyway unfortunately this kill shelter was considering slating michael for euthanasia um which is super crazy if they quote rescued him from a trailer park where he like might have just been at home and now they're gonna like now they're like okay yeah well so my cat was one of our childhood cats was picked up um on and he's an outdoor cat or indoor outdoor cat and he's older and he got picked up by animal control like right near like right on our property um but on the like driveway area and they brought him in and cut off the tip of his ear and then when we finally got a hold of him my mom they tried to charge my mom for for like because they said oh we cut off the ear tips if the dog if the cat is not neutered and my mom's like well the cat is neutered and they're like yeah but we didn't know that and my mom was like well that's not my problem and so they tried to charge her because they had already given him anesthesia to do the operation and they were like oh he's already neutered so they cut off his ear and then billed us like 300 bucks and we were like he's already neutered you can't do that anyway they can do that and that man works for the trump administration now because that sounds just evil and stupid and completely just a lot yeah i it's like i know there's a feral chaos for nobody and pain like why can you imagine someone just coming i'm just cutting your fucking ear off and then going whoops i guess i wasn't supposed to he's like the scraggliest funniest cat now he's like talk about been through it you know yeah what's his name marco michael what if i was literally about to say mark and mike really marco not mark sorry that makes a difference yeah okay mark would be wild somehow just like the absence of The O makes it crazy. It just because it just sounds like a straight white man now. Exactly. I mean, I've told you about Joshua at the dog park. I can't even get into it today. That's right. So sorry. I don't know how to sneeze quietly. I've never learned the skill. That's okay. I think Joshua would just do that open face in front of him sometime. Wait, what's with Joshua again? That fucking dog I hate. Oh, right. Your mortal enemy. I hate that dog. And then one of my friends was very nice and took Hank to the park the other day. And I did not think Joshua would be there, so I didn't warn her. And we came home and she was like, who the fuck is that dog, Joshua? And I went, I know, I hate that goddamn dog. Don't even get me started. I'm pretty sure that's what I said. I was like, I can't even with that right now. Okay, so Michael's about to get euthanized. And in the 11th hour, I'm assuming, for the cinematic effect. Of course. All of a sudden, Michelle Sheremi, I'm not totally sure of how to pronounce her name, but Michelle. She runs Zeus's Rescue, a non-kill shelter. And I guess part of her job is going to actual kill shelters and rescuing those dogs and putting them in her rescue. Hey, that's a really tough job, dude. Love that. She scooped up Michael real quick. She renamed him Scrim, which somehow better than Michael. Definitely. And she, I guess it was after a local rapper. Oh, I didn't know that. I did look him up and scrim the rapper. His S is a dollar sign. Oh, well, hell yeah. So I like to imagine if we're going like real one for one naming him after the rapper, then this dog also has a dollar sign. Which is so much more kick ass than Michael. No offense. Agreed. Not a dollar sign to be found with Michael. So he's named after a rapper and the rescue tried their best to help him. they like tried to re-socialize him for many months but he was horribly timid michelle has worked in this industry for like over 20 years and she describes him as catatonic terrified and whatever happened to him before this rescue quote could have not been good no honey after over 20 years of rescuing dogs she said that he was one of the most shut down scared dogs who needed lots of love um and they they got to a point where they just couldn't do anything he was just going to be called forever categorized as a scared puppy but a few months into helping him um they did find a couple interested in adopting scrim and the couple took scrim home for essentially a test trial to see if they were compatible before signing papers and that same day scrim bolted horrible imagine like you finally think you found the puppy gone and then what do you tell the shelter and you haven't even signed papers yet you were like geez uh-oh that's gotta feel bad he basically found a way off his leash and he got under the fence and just poor baby one article was quoted saying on the first night at his new home scrim became the fugitive he is known as today that's where it all began that's origin story so and also like realistically i wonder if his actual origin story in the trailer park was he already bolted from someone else like a fugitive on the run already he's on the lam you know always on the lam every single article used the phrase on the lam with this no see they it's like sometimes true crime reporting is fun to do when it's not about true crime and it's like actually happy the only happier story as the poltergeist well maybe a paranormal in general i meant to say as the paranormal side of this i never get to hear the like what jargon is pretty common in true crime oh right you don't read these articles right the closest i've got is like captain craig on svu saying he wants another foot in someone's ass you know like that's actually pretty accurate i would say most articles say something along this or you know what's what's the one the law and order always says oh a fishing expedition we don't want to know they love a fishing expedition they love to go fishing they hate it actually um so okay takes off this couple i'm sure is fully panicked very quickly they reach out to the rescue the couple in the rescue are both putting out flyers all over town and i don't know what marketing they have but they should go into advertising because their flyers garnered so much attention that people all over new orleans started looking for him in the way that if anyone lost their dog you hope people get into that you would just wish you could get that word out to the point that everyone was yeah that's such a good point it was a day where the spirit of community was right and everybody so rare to see that you know yeah i don't know i don't know what they did maybe their the reward money was like incredible or something an unlikely hero no even when the reward money is high like even in true crime for real like people don't organized like this you know yeah this is ironically this is the search party everybody wants on their yeah i think he like just touched that many people's hearts that they were like moved by this yeah i guess so they didn't even know him though yet they would like it was just this rescue who knew a puppy and then he just bolted it at this couple's house what were the flyers that made it so successful i don't i mean i saw the flyers they just looked like normal flyers Maybe there's something about is his picture on it. I think so. Yeah. I wonder, like, maybe he just looks. Maybe he has like. Oh, yeah. So the main one is lost. Don't chase white dog. Brown spots. Text scrims location to and then the phone number. Wow. I mean, you're right. It's very simple. Yeah. So it was. I don't know what was going on that day. just everyone was i think it's also the very clear um call to action text his location to this number because like it's not like oh sure missing dog and then you don't know what to do or there's a phone number at the bottom are you supposed to call it but just to say like if you see him just say where he is yeah via text i feel like that is a clear it's kind of a good note for uh yeah i don't know because it's also like maybe you can't rescue him but if you see him let me know Right, exactly. Like, at least then you can alert them as to what neighborhood he's in. Well, so very, very quickly, they, you know, they put the flyers out and all of New Orleans just decided this was the dog we all give a shit about. So they made literal search parties. I would love to know what was going on that day that moved everybody. But yeah, like made search parties where like strangers were crawling under abandoned houses looking to see if he was hiding because they knew he was like scared. They tried luring him out with Popeyes, which would have worked on me. did not work how many other dogs and or ems do you think they discovered along the way as they were like luring luring animals out with popeyes from under abandoned houses like raccoons and that should be just crawling out like the girl from the ring for the chicken do you have that strawberry chocolate milkshake if i ever go missing tell shake shack to put me on every milkshake cup i'm just gonna waft that smell around you know until you come running um they He even, like, started, like, online forums called Scrim Spottings, where they would just put in all of their updates if anyone had seen him. And basically what really sealed his stardom was the fact that this was not a missing dog. Every single person saw this dog somewhere through the town, and they just couldn't get to him fast enough. Yes. And so I think that was what, like, very quickly spurred the interest because it's not like, oh, there's a dog flyer and I'll probably never see that dog again. Everybody saw this dog. And so it became almost like, like, you know, in high school and everyone started playing that one, like, murderer spoons game or something where everyone got weirdly involved. You know what I'm talking about? I mean, I made people play that at my birthday party in middle school, but I don't know if that's. I don't know. I don't I don't remember. I don't remember the name of the game. I just remember in high school, for some reason, it became a thing where it was just like this mass game where people were trying to like clip clothespins and shit to each other. Oh, no, I did not participate in that. I don't know. That sounds like fun, but I didn't. I don't remember that. It just became this weird mind hive where it was like it's it starts at 400 people. There's only gonna be one winner. Well and now I mean nowadays we have like TikTok and everybody will know about it within minutes you know like in every school will have this thing Yeah So I feel like it it was primed to be a viral thing Yeah Well I feel like everybody was like if everybody seeing him who going to be the one to catch him And so it became almost like this like weird contest. It felt like for people to try to get scrimmed because they want to be the one that made it into the paper. Like we got my Lord. But people I mean, it's 2023. People had phones. And so just if you were in the algorithm of 2023, I suppose, there was just video after video of people almost getting him. Like, we saw him again over here. We saw him here. Also, the fact that he's not just hiding, you know, like a lot of times an animal will go. They'll find a spot and like stay hide out where there might be food near a dumpster. But yeah, the fact that he's like all over town to the point they're mapping it out, you know, it's just remarkable. It sounds like a Disney movie. yeah i just imagine like really like lovely flouncy pouncy music behind him and everyone else is actually just screaming well people were so excited to try to get him that when the videos would come out it started churning more and more interest and so people outside new orleans also started started following what script was up to um people started knowing him as the houdini dog and some papers called him the dog who refused to be homed and so many people were able to almost catch him but when i say he was just too fast there were people on like 15 mile an hour scooters trying to chase after him and he was just like they were eating his dust like he was going at least 20 miles an hour when he ran um and so that's why on the flyers it says do not chase because they're like you're not you're not gonna get him um it got to the point where michelle and the rescue decided that the only way that they could catch this dog because they were just inundated with just texts non-stop because if one person posted a video saying he's right here then three blocks later they'd get another text he's right here he's right here eventually they were like the only way to get this fucking dog is with a goddamn tranquilizer and so they literally like i guess michelle started practicing like blow darts or some shit like that or tranquilizer gun. She started practicing shooting with a tranquilizer gun at something that was scrim-sized in case she ever saw him just to be able to like on-site get him. And they even had to hire marksmen from Texas to come into town because they knew how to use tranquilizer blow darts for animals. What the fuck? But get this, so then the Texas marksman, who is really good at blow darts he literally found scrim blew a blow dart at him full of tranquilizer and this dog somehow just metabolized it basically went nope and just kept on running oh my god he is can't he be free or are we just like not letting him be free is it like he's it just feels a little bit like okay we know i that's a little much i don't know maybe i'm wrong maybe i'm wrong my gut is just like what are we tranquilizing the dog for i guess you want him to be safe but like some locals embraced his passion for freedom and free scrim became a running hashtag fair enough okay yeah got it another time michelle was able to corner him with a literal i didn't know they made these thought it was in old cartoons net gun oh my gosh and it misfired which gave scrim the chance to run away again this is why terrified like they're just shooting things at him and like blowing blow darts at him and running down it with scooters 15 mile per hour scooters i mean no wonder he's scared at this point i also thought the same thing where i was like i get that we're treating this like it's a cute little like ah he can't be he can't be governed but it's like he was already quote the most scared dog you've ever seen yeah and now hordes of people are running after him and like just constantly initiating his fight flight you know like and he's like I know better than to go for that Popeyes, you know? Right, right, right. Like, I'm not stupid. I wasn't born yesterday. But, like, yeah, and I don't want, I don't mean to put blame on any of the people trying to rescue him. As far as not, like, the regular citizens, but, like, the rest, the shelter, like, I can understand, like, the desperation of trying to find this dog. But, yeah, it's just sad because, you know, he's so scared. You know he's so scared. But also, I think everybody's like the fact that he became this Internet sensation, people were it only probably made things worse for him. Imagine having social things that, you know, everyone's running at you. Like, no, we love you. Yeah. So I think everyone was like, no, we're trying to bring you presents and take you home and love you. If you think about it, like when he was first on the on the lam in the early days, like nobody knew about him. It's not like people were chasing him every time he walked down the road before now. Right. Before fame. Now he's just got the pats. he's like a classic a-lister he's like i can't even go to the grocery store anymore you know be seen oh my god um so this plus the videos of near sightings going viral i mean he's a full-blown internet sensation at this point he cannot be caught until 177 days later oh my god it was a wild goose chase for like half a year and eventually someone saw him in a fenced parking lot and he got himself in there in some way where he could knock it out he had trapped himself poor baby they text michelle she runs over they were able to actually get him with a tranquilizer but also this dog it sounds like he there was no other way to get him he's yeah he's going through it right now poor baby they and but even after they were able to like tranquilize him he still sprinted around for seven full minutes before even like falling asleep like he there was something about him which part of me is like oh my gosh he just like he's such a strong dog but part of me is also like his adrenaline must have been oh i think it's right i think he was just so scared yeah um so finally back in the care of michelle's rescue they were able to take him to a hospital to be assessed because i think that's one of the main reasons that they wanted to check on this dog that makes sense i get them wanting to take care of him but also it's like yeah some some animals are just meant to fly, you know? He's like, let me be. But so they took him to the hospital, and thank God that they finally caught him, because this is what the hospital found. Several abrasions across his entire body, lost teeth, broken teeth. He had lost a toenail. He had lost a chunk of his ear. Maybe he had not been neutered. I'm telling you. Maybe that same guy from your town did that to him. He had a 108-degree fever, and he had two bullets in him. what air pellet bullets to be fair but he had still been shot and then they they stayed in him and it is like he the wound grew over it which i bet is probably what came from like the very first family or what his trailer park days because it had grown over so much by that point so it could be an earlier injury and it would explain why he was so scared he'd been fucking shot well and especially if they're shooting like blow darts at him he doesn't know it's a blow dart yeah another fucking gun another airsoft gun or whatever that is yeah yeah but he was um in a rough state but then in one article someone said if he wasn't already a legend now he's an outlaw because yeah i mean he's a bad boy for sure literally he's been shot at and he's outlaw is the best word for it yeah so while scrim rested up for his travels uh from his travels the whole town rejoiced that scrim was found they were safe so excited like ever it was like and you know new orleans loves a reason to party okay people oh my god they literally like you don't know like oh let me dust these uh old carnival decorations off there only three days since we last used them we need for another party here but just more beads and beads and beads bring them on drinking and yeah oh yeah so news outs news outlets reported on him being safe and even new orleans city council held a ceremony for him where they invited him to like city hall and they gave him a full-blown event where they gifted him doggy treats for his resilience um the council members were apparently starstruck by scrim because they'd also been following along i get it i would be too one of them even stated that this was like the best day of her life like the best day on the council of her life oh my god she's like i always knew this job would be worth something she's like i just want to protect and serve and two by the way there was one article i think it was i don't i don't want to say the wrong one but there was one article where they interviewed the council members and the whole interview is just two different districts or two different uh council members representing different districts arguing with each other over which district scrim is from because they wanted him to be like the mascot of their district oh my god one of them said scrims favorite district seems to be uh district b so scrim is now officially the mascot of district b and then the next person said i think we can establish that scrim is a district a resident and that's just really important to me that's a quote i have all of a sudden i'm so into politics you know like oh is this what it's like sure i could get into that i have been missing out um after all the hullabaloo uh oh by the way if you i think i had a picture actually for you um i was gonna send to you yes here is scrim at his city council ceremony he's at the podium and everything as if he's about to give a thank you speech oh my god he has a beautiful haircut he got his haircut he noticed that gps collar all of a sudden that gigantic tracker on his collar it's like humongous it's literally like a big-ass battery on his neck they're like you're going nowhere my god oh sweetheart yeah now i see that he's white i couldn't even really tell in that first photo he looked like kind of that must have been after like the six months of him on the lam and he's a little dirty and disheveled like an old western cowboy you know about yeah like all scraggly but this one he has like a fresh haircut oh baby um so he after all this ended up going back home to rest up since he wasn't you know he'd gone through a lot and the hospital wanted him to rest he went back to the family that was considering adopting him which like wow round two would be horrifying right and they ended up needing to go out of town for a week so michelle actually offered to take him in while they were gone so michelle is watching him and she actually reported saying that it was very cute watching scrim get very comfortable with like um the day-to-day life of being like a domestic dog and she said like he would fall asleep like the classic dog thing where like he's totally splayed out with his stomach in the air and he's like snoring and wagging his tail and he was bonding with her pets and like he was very content that was what she said he was very content there um and so one day she decides to leave and she's going to go get an errand i think she was actually getting a dog stroller for him um but when she came back the neighbor was screaming at her uh from the from the street saying the dog jumped off the roof oh my god and while gone uh she apparently he jumped off the 13 feet out of the second story building what onto concrete somehow unharmed and uh yeah he he took off again and so if you would like i can send you the video of scrim jumping from the building what video so basically she ended up being like what the fuck happened and went and looked at her security cameras and true true as day he got to dove out of the second story window and directly onto concrete and somehow just took off. Where is this dog trying to go? Here's the video for you. Holy shit, okay. I just pulled it up. Oh my God. Sorry. He just like fucking slams down. Yeah, I would imagine that's four broken ankles right there. But he seems unfazed. Yeah, he does. and then he just like fucking runs off yeah just takes off and so she posted it online to let everybody know what happened setting off a second round of scrim fame reports of scrim's latest escape came out of the washington street journal of washington washington street journal that i'm not saying that right washington washington no oh it was okay i was like for some reason street sounded wrong um he washington street journal reported about him washington post associated press new york times they all got a wall street journal wall street journal i knew i was like why do i feel like something's off i can't put my finger on it i have it felt like a sneeze that wasn't i kept thinking w wsj but i was like wall street journal thank you um okay so like big outlets are now reporting on him like and all their headlines by the way when i looked it up not all of them a lot of their headlines were like scrim escaped dot dot dot again i don't think i remember that this happened again i don't remember and i think i saw the video of a dog jumping out the window but i thought that was like a like on reddit and i went oh and i scrolled right past i don't think i was a part of this thing at all no but so anyway now he's gone huge headlines about this the whole town is like where the fuck did this dog go like we just spent six months like rallying together as a unit to find this goddamn dog and they went all right let's do it again now the papers are calling him new orleans most ungovernable dog and each sighting uh from it's not just phones anymore people are using their doorbell cameras because they're like if he ran from here then maybe my camera has it maybe my camera so they're just like trying to track his entire trail map it out and i mean it's spiking so much interest at first uh when he took off michelle was like well this isn't even a problem because i put that big ass battery gps tracker on him so we're good now it died within two hours no and immediately the search was on new york times said with each foiled capture or implausible escape his fame grew and so did his reputation wow and once again scrim was spotted at several major landmarks they're like he's at audubon zoo he's at the superdome he just wants to see the world they should have just had him at that little beignet place what's cafe cafe du mon that'd have been crazy if people did a stop there you have to if you're gonna tour new orleans like he's doing um so he was seen all over and a scrim hotline became available for tips people were doing daily canvases of their neighborhoods and scrims scrim spottings were regularly now updated on this crowdsource online map where it literally you could see tags of everywhere that is bananas um knowing he was out there people started leaving food water and blankets out uh on their porches or outside of their businesses with a note on it that said for scrim oh i think that was when people were like defeated they were like whatever take the blanket and the food we're not even gonna try to catch it anymore we're probably gonna get a raccoon infestation anyway with all this food well so scrim was missing this time for three more months geez and this happened in november november um and so he survived the entire very intense winter of nuance i think that year there was a record-breaking blizzard and he somehow people still saw him this little white dog in the snow they still saw him all the time and nobody could get him my god so february 11th rolls of rolls by and michelle gets a picture sent to her today can you imagine like talk about synchronicity totally on purpose totally totally totally on purpose i'm so good i'm so good i actually like i planned this recording for for this and you even acted like you didn't which was so impressive i know oh i really wanted you to like figure it out for yourself thank you it took me in it long enough it sure did i just had to say the date and then like two seconds in you got it so i figured it out um so basically february 11th welcome to today happy anniversary to scrim um michelle got a picture sent to her of scrim in a trap that a trap and rescue group put together for feral cats they put all this food together for cats and i guess he was so hungry he just tried to sneak in there baby and they brought him back to the hospital and they were like what the fuck has this dog probably done now and apparently he was totally fine no broken ankles from that concrete jump he had like some god like a tapeworm or parasite or something but he ended up being fine and news outlets again had to report that scrim was captured and I'm sure there was hesitancy in even putting that paper out they were like seriously write about this again uh they ended up figuring out through all the crowdsource online mappings that scrim had probably sometimes up to at 20 miles an hour had traveled 60 square miles in his travels jesus and when combing through everyone's sightings of him by the end of his travels because it had been pretty much an entire year at that point scrim survived the following while he was missing he had endured summer temperatures in new orleans that humid over 100 degree weather He had survived Hurricane Francine. He'd survived being shot at, apparently multiple times. He survived dodging cars on highways. There were sightings of him dodging trains. He survived jumping out of a second-story building on the concrete. He survived celebration fireworks, which terrifies most dogs. He survived the packed streets of New Orleans while they were hosting a Super Bowl. He survived January's freezing winter, which involved a record-breaking blizzard. and then all the other wounds that came with him his broken teeth and all this well so he was finally captured however now the real drama starts because after all their bonding over scrim michelle and the interested adoptive parents are now having some custody agreements oh no basically the adoptive couple tammy and i think her name's freeba um tammy and freeba they had been just as determined the entire time to find scrim um and but you know they did everything by the book to adopt him they they just hadn't signed papers because they didn't have the time because he just immediately went missing but because michelle got so attached to scrim through all this uh backed out of the agreement last minute in a way where it was like certainly unprofessional she announced the decision on facebook saying that she'd had a change of heart wow because scrim had bonded with her pets and then she also said that the couple quote took it hard which duh and the couple's own statement um tammy wrote this is on also social media as like a response i guess tammy said no words devastated and really speechless over 10 months of my life dedicated to bringing him home to safety even made it official and filled out an application and got approved only to be here and he's not my dog wow that hurts um she also said the most important thing is scrim's happiness and what's good for him i want to see him thriving i want to see him happy but i lost my dog and i lost my friend wow that's heartbreaking and this was after michelle even publicly stated how involved the couple was in trying to get scrim home um michelle had said tammy was with me every step of the way during scrims time on the run she spent countless sleepless nights driving around moving traps putting out feeding stations assembling the scrim recovery team and doing everything she could to try and capture him safely her dedication to him is unparalleled she was not just a person who was interested in adopting scrim she helped save him and then said i'm taking the dog yeah that's bad that's really rough so for obvious reasons Michelle was given a lot of hate online from people who'd been following Scrim story, which was everybody. She apparently even got death threats from some people. And many people said that many people said that she decided to keep Scrim purely because of his fame. And she thought that he was a, quote, viral meal ticket for like or like clout for her own rescue shelter, basically. Like, oh, we're the rescue shelter that has Scrim. And we so I think a lot of people thought it was a marketing move. And actually, we were in New Orleans on tour when this was going on because there was a bunch of scrim merch everywhere. And I remember asking a store person like, oh, what what's who's the scrim character? And she was like, don't even get me started. And she yeah, yeah, yeah. She ended up telling me the whole thing. And I guess it was in the thick of this, like, custody disagreement, as I'll call it, because she had pretty similar words for Michelle that, like, the whole town was apparently really not happy with her because they all wanted Scrim to finally be with his family, especially since they had worked for over 10 months to get him home. It sounded like a lot of people were not very happy with Michelle. um but they allegedly did come to an agreement i think because of the death threats um tammy and freeba even decided like this was too much and they they reached out saying on michelle's behalf to stop the hate and i think they even made a video with michelle and scrim oh wow and they publicly stated that they um had come to an agreement for like a visitation basically where which I think is still a little messed up because basically Michelle ended up getting scrimmed and the couple could have hesitation I'm like shouldn't I also feel like that's kind of a hard thing to consistently upkeep and or keep up and make sure that that's that just feels like a recipe for disaster like yeah stickly and stuff I think so too I the only especially with the dog they keep trying to escape it's like now you're bringing them to two different houses or well Tammy said our focus is on scrim I hope everyone can celebrate with us that this dog is just doing wonderful and to this day scrim is still a beloved icon enola i wrote in my notes and some sources even call him a mythical creature which is very validating for why including this source including this source and this source also calls him an urban legend which is something i cover that's right uh he has had a statue made of him displayed at barkis you know about barkis it's this no so new orleans also has like basically a dog mardi gras every year oh and so he had a statue of barkis that's cute he was also literally a mardi gras parade float one year awesome again he was answered by honored by the new orleans city council and he was the mascot for many projects throughout the city he inspired many local murals he inspired a lot of flash tattoos in town oh i bet And one article actually said that scrim is now like a phrase, like a slang word out there, which means, quote, hastily leaving without looking back. Em, that's so good. He also has had a book written about him called Scrim on the Run. Oh, look how cute that is. Local author, Scrim on the Run. And he's also had, so in New Orleans, there's the National Bobblehead Hall of Fame. oh i didn't know that which i have been to and they made a limited edition bobblehead of scrim you have it too come on look at the mardi gras colors on the baby yeah they only made 2024 of them and i got one oh wow you would love the bobblehead actually leona would love the bobblehead museum because they actually have like a like a map and you have to find all these certain ones find the one that oh that's fun i didn't even know that existed honestly you know me in my weird spots but i sure do but anyway i became obsessed with him so now i've got his book and his bobblehead and that is scrim oh my gosh now i'm gonna scrim to the bathroom real quick okay that is so cool he's so cute and sweet i didn't know the drama about him jumping out of the window that's fucking nuts i know i know i i thought that was where it began but apparently that was just the the sequel i mean it feels really like some sort of movie like kids movie like he's getting blow darts and like dodging trains and like jumping out of windows i mean it feels ridiculous but i mean the real children's movie of it all which is so sad is like if the end goal was like he was trying to find his like like a little girl who was so that's what i was worried about i'm like is there somewhere he's trying to get to you know what i mean like it i hope not because my heart can't take it no i can't take that no sorry i think he just loved the grass that's what i mean clearly he just loved being on the run you know he just like spreading his wings okay i get it i get it oh all right i'm also going to scrim to the potty okay see you in a minute there's nothing like coming home and seeing a package on the counter from quince and going what did i order for myself i wonder i don't even remember ordering anything and then realizing it says leona lampignali on it i was about to say there's nothing more exciting and then realizing it's Allison's package. 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I have a pretty wild one today because it's one of those, again, that I have not heard of but saw a headline about recently, and it wasn't that recent. The original discovery of the crime was 2018, so I don't know how I missed all this, especially hosting a true crime show. Maybe I'm just more in the know now. Sure. But, yeah, this is the story of the Turpin family. Well, girl, we've covered this, no? I don't think so. Have we? even i maybe not but even i've heard the name uh well see me okay hang on i'm googling oh boy imagine oh no it's okay i don't remember uh oh no louise turpin oh shit david and louise turpin bitch yep that's them well hey you know what you said 2018 and it was episode 57 it was literally 2018 okay but can i tell you something else so this is updated this is gonna be the updated notes i have are based on information from 2022 and 2026 this is gonna be fun you finally get okay where you get to see like how your research has changed throughout the years i knew these fuckers looked looked familiar and i was like i must have just skated on by this one like how did i not wow it was literally over 400 episodes ago i think we remembered that though never in my life would i have ever been able to do that i don know what just did that to my head the holy spirit something something psychic happened just now it was probably like me falling asleep like in that one episode and i like transported astral projected over here and just reminded you real quick can someone in the comments by the way please tell me if you've listened to it recently what is the episode where christine fell asleep because i would love to listen to that again it's so hard because you'll never find it we didn't record video back then so like the only way anyone knows god i would have killed i would watch that every day it'd be my screensaver you're just going we barely record this film video this these days with the way that i forget no i i would love to be able to go back and listen to that and the only way anyone would no it happened is like we cut to like an ad and then it goes hello it's the next day but oh my god i'm so embarrassed okay okay so this is clearly a repeat however i'm really shocked actually now that i did cover this in 2018 because that was like fairly breaking i mean you know not breaking but like a lot of the information had not come out yet so i don't know what the hell I was talking about. No, I think you were like probably trying to do something that was topical, but like, wow, in your later years, though, I know that you like covering things where you have all the information. I know a lot of people have asked, you know, why you haven't covered certain topics. And it sounds like it's often they're like ongoing cases. And yeah, just give all the information. You know, I'm so also glad you said that, because I've thought about that recently, because I've been following the Nancy Guthrie case. By the way, have you seen any more on that since we talked about it? This is a dead honest answer. I haven't watched any of it because I know eventually I'll cover it. Oh, oh, okay. That's really, that's all I know is it's so, so sad. And I saw the camera footage. Okay. It's creepy. It's really creepy. So yeah, they, they took someone in for questioning. Then they released somebody for questioning. So it's all very confusing. But and then, of course, everyone's like analyzing the body language of the videos the siblings have posted and the verbiage because it's similar to Silence of the Lambs. But also like Silence of the Lambs is based on the way the FBI like actually works. And so it's like, of course, there's probably similar verbiage used in both. Anyway, the whole thing is kind of like a minefield right now for. Sure. It feels too. Too hot. We got to let it's like volatile. Yeah. And I'm like, and I love to watch people cover that. I just don't know that I'm the one. I don't know that I'm like the one to be on top of it the way that a lot of these creators are. I'm thinking of Annie Elise specifically, because last night I was getting in bed and I saw she posted an update in her pajamas. And she was like, there's just been an update in the case. Like my friend who's on the scene and I'm like, whoa, like this is the kind of like content creator where I'm like, damn, like you are you are serious. like you're putting in the work good for her no i uh i don't know anything except that it bums me the fuck out and i just can't imagine yeah being in that position and she's still like going to work and reporting the news while this is happening i don't think so okay she was supposed to go to the olympics and then her entire she and her entire team ended up staying back to like support her that's nice yeah which was sweet but yeah yeah she's just kind of they're going through it man but then she posted a video and it was um she had like makeup on and for something for some reason that like struck me as odd and i thought like is this somebody who's like obsessed with her or wants her like i don't know something just was weird about it because suddenly she's wearing makeup and she did a solo video and i don't know if that's just because she's like kind of the main face of this family in the media or what but it just struck me as really odd so i don't know what information they have but i don't think they've been given proof of life um verifiably and the weird thing is too the ransom letters are going to the media tmz and um it's like it's they absolutely want this clout yeah but they're not sending they're not communicating directly with the fbi or with the family and the family and the fbi are like talk to us and it's like no they clearly they want the attention it's it's so gross that's so sick yeah it's really disturbing um so anyway here i am i guess covering it now as it's happening but i usually am not you know that uh that kind of a reporter so this one i guess i did do some sort of overview in 2018 i'm curious to actually go back and hear it um but now we have so much more information thanks to good old diane sawyer who did multiple interviews um with the turpin children uh beginning in 2022 So that's where a lot of this information comes from. So this should be pretty much similar and slightly totally brand new. Cool. Okay. So just as a refresh on January 14th, 2018 at 549 AM in Paris, California, 911 dispatchers received a call from a girl claiming to have run away from home. They asked what street she was on and she didn't know because she'd quote never been out. She didn't even know what sidewalks were. so she was walking in the road didn't know what a sidewalk was how old was she yeah she was 17 wow so she was okay okay she'd actually never spoken to someone on the phone before she was shaking her voice was clearly extremely nervous she explained to the dispatcher that she was from a family of 15 and that she and her siblings had quote abusing parents When asked for details, she explained that her two little sisters were at home chained up. Oh, my God. Yeah, it sounded absolutely beside herself. They connected her with the sheriff's department who asked for her address. She actually had to pull out a piece of paper where she'd written the address because she didn't know the address. Oh. And at first she actually read the zip code by accident instead of the street address. and when asked are you on any medications because they're thinking is this someone who's gotten like a teen who's gotten into something sure she said i don't know what medication is oh i know how i know they they popped up on my tiktok recently same with me okay that's how i know this okay it's because uh last week diane sawyer released her second special uh since the one in 2022 with three of the siblings that have now become adults and are now doing interviews. So there's been like quite a lot of buildup. So that's probably why we both saw it on our feeds. It makes sense. Why? Of course. Why did I think my first thought was, oh, I'm psychic. And that's how I remember episode 57. But I was I was really ready to believe that I still kind of do so. Well, OK, so I still don't know this story. I just saw a video of I don't know what medication is or what's medication. Yes. What's medication? I don't know what medication is. And she did know what medicine when when they said medicine, she was like, sometimes I get Robitussin. But, you know, really was clearly out of touch in in many ways. So. She finally got the address right. She was able to say it aloud and they sent a deputy out to her location in a quiet suburban neighborhood in Paris, California. And that's P.E.R.R.I.S. Her name was Jordan Turpin and she was 17 years old. In the middle of the night, she had climbed out of a first story window with an old cell phone in an attempt to save her siblings. All the while, she was terrified that her parents would notice she was missing or look out a window and like maybe see her under a streetlight. She said, quote, I know how they are. They wouldn't care if police were coming. They would just kill me right there. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's what she told Diane Sawyer in that 2020 interview I mentioned. She told the dispatcher, we live in filth. sometimes I wake up and I can't breathe because of how dirty the house is. Dispatch asked, when was the last time you had a bath? And Jordan said, almost a year ago. So one other scary note, like just to put this all into context, is that the dispatcher knows that if this call drops or Jordan hangs up, there is no way to contact her again. She's using like one of these obsolete cell phones that don't have any service, but you are able to call 911. And I have always wondered like if those work, You know, where it's like dial out to 911 is the only feature. But it looks like it really did work. I could only make an outgoing call to 911. So if this call drops or if Jordan hangs up, they would have no idea where she is, how to get contact. Oh, my God. OK, so they're trying to keep her on the line and they send deputies out to a deputy out to to check on her. when asked who her father is she said david turpin and said she didn't know much about her mother because quote she doesn't like us oh my god that's so sad it is she lists off her 12 siblings and their ages okay their ages range from two well i'm just going to read them two 11 12 14 16 she herself is 17 18 19 20 22 23 25 29 even the 29 year old is like still there probably all in the house all in the house a fucking 30 year old like what chained to walls and shit pretty much oh my god like how do you even keep a 29 year old in a house for 29 years oh you'll see yeah it's not necessarily chains it's more um i mean that does happen i'm so that's why i said sort of but it's like more mind games a lot of psychological right exactly abuse and that kind of thing um and like threats you know all that good stuff so 6 11 a.m the deputy has arrived and this is where it's like much more um jarring and real because you see the body cam footage i'm going to send you a picture of jordan just because throughout this story i just was really struck by how uh different over the years like she as she like healed as she um you know escaped this uh just how how you can see her you know like heal uh just by the way she like carries herself and stuff and honestly in this first um picture i'm sending you hang on it's just it's hard to see but it's her it's her talking to the deputy who arrived and i also want to add that like she hadn't she said she had never had a conversation with someone before oh my god she was basically like totally out of her element they thought she was like young you know she was 17 she kind of behaved like she was much younger and like socially sure not she'd never talked to a person before she didn't even know what her address was or the word medication oh my god yeah oh my god and you said something earlier that sounded do you say like she had abusing parents or something yeah it sounds like her english isn't all that she has quite a limited vocabulary and they and she uses strange like not anymore but she uses like strange kind of lilted like uh syntax and stuff which ends up for sure being part of just growing up in this environment sure yeah no i imagine like not speaking to anybody you're gonna almost create your own like dialect or something or your own with your own siblings yeah yeah okay so it was now an hour and a half after she climbed out the window um the sun had come up and jordan was safe in police custody deputies arrived at the house and they basically got them to open the door and they knocked for about i think four and a half minutes and when the couple opened the door and were like what's going on they said we're coming in and i need to send you this picture it's like okay this is a picture of the body cam footage from the body cam footage of david and louise turpin at the door um i know i know it's they look like like caricatures of like bad people yes okay i'm glad you say that because some of the some of the photos that i'm gonna show you i'm like this looks like he looks like a czar is that her husband yeah he looks like a fucking doofus wait till you see the pictures later he literally has the dumb and dumber hair haircut okay it gets so much worse it gets so much worse how does he have a middle part and bangs on the same fucking forehead and you know you know we talked about this in 2018 and i just begged to know what the fuck we said about this because his mugshot was definitely out by then i can't wait his hair looks like buck teeth it's like the dumbest hair i've ever seen in my life literally sending you the scariest mug shots you've ever seen hold on a second she's also well not i'm not usually someone who's gonna judge someone for their looks but knowing who they are i don't fucking care he literally i've never seen like it's like an it's he's like auditioning to be an idiot that's what he looks like like he looks like he put a wig on to look stupid but he just says it looks like a dumb and dumber wig like it really does um okay and she's she's no prize either by the way she's scary like you she's like smiling and i want to put into perspective like at this point while she was going through this arrest process she's like um i put it later in my notes but i'll say now she basically told people well don't worry when i get them back i'll never use chains on them again like that's how delusional this woman was i mean you can see it in her eyes she does she there's something about her eyes that are totally psyched i don't you know she's not all there her eyes not well she's not well and like you can see that clear plain as day the soul is gone or something yeah it feels empty and like the fact that she's smiling at the camera and like saying things like oh i'll never use chains on them again i promise and thinking like she's going to go home that afternoon it's just all very sinister you know yeah i understand i agree i fully agree he's a i'll never forget him i mean i apparently already did but now i won't first of all you totally didn't because you totally pulled that out of nowhere um you totally remembered that episode somehow and um also yeah he's never he's gonna haunt us for sure um if anyone has his haircut without ever having looked at you i'm warning you now to please cut your hair um because if i ever see you on the street i'm gonna be like what is going on here is when i saw the haircut it's literally a bob it's like dora the explorer and i thought it was a wig the barbershop and then like later on in literally at trial he has this or not a trial like in the courtroom he has the same hair but it's gray now and i'm like that wasn't a wig like that was his real hair and he still styles it that same way i you know if I if someone dared me to say something nice about him I'd be like I can't I'm so impressed you have all your hair but you really need it to be gone now like good for you like show it off I guess but that's what it is right like I don't know what else why else you would do this it's such a strange way to do your hair like it's not even like it's easy to keep upkeep you know like Like, what are you doing? He looks like he's... He put on a wig to impersonate his, like, a woman. Like, he looks like a Karen... It looks like a wig. Yes. Yes, totally. It looks like blonde lady wig or something. She deserves the same amount of hatred. He's just... His is easy, though. That's just an easy low blow. He just really... He just really made a decision and stuck to it, is what I'll say. I hope nothing I said was cancelable. However, he deserves it, I think. Listen, I don't think any of us are going to be rooting for this guy. So. OK. Oh, all right. So they get to the house. They knock on the door. They're like, it's the police. And they're like, what? What's going on? And they tell the family, oh, there is a girl that was. I don't know how they phrased it. It's like a very careful way that they spoke to not let the parents know which child it was. Oh, that's like, thank God. I know. it was like really tactful um and they said you know a girl said she's from here and she's like from where from this house and they were like maybe and she's like which girl and they're like we don't know her name and she's in the police car meanwhile over here like full name everything she had to be sweating fucking bullets she was terrified i can't imagine and one of the uh the deputies who was with her was like you don't have to look you don't have to even think about it like look away um because she was just scared that like they would drag her back in and she's like i know they would kill me they would kill me um whether the police were looking or not that didn't matter and that's how she was really life or death wow let's talk about his hair again the fuck ass bob i know right all of a sudden i feel really justified in everything i said what a piece of shit um and by the way it is important in that picture to notice where that fuck ass bob was standing because it's blocking a particular angle that was hiding two more it wasn't hiding but it was covering two more bedrooms like concealing two more bedrooms where they found the rest of the children because remember there are so many here okay of them so as all this is going on um by the way police walk in and you can hear uh this fucking guy you can hear david say do you have a warrant and they go oh we don't actually need one thanks or something like that like it's like this very often like dumbass like really it's so dismissive it's like oh actually we don't need one thanks for checking you know like it's so dismissive and like well said and because children are they have reason to believe children are in danger on this property they can walk right in you know yeah um and so they're like we don't actually need that like thanks for your concern you know it sounds like they i mean it sounds like they don't know what a warrant is right like because i mean it doesn't sound like something they that occurs to them to the like the he's the one who said this the the guy with the bob he said no we don't need a warrant oh no no sorry he told the police do you have a warrant you can hear him like crying this whole time imagine it my way though because oh no it sounded like the cops were saying like we have a warrant and the guy going we don't need that thanks oh oh that's way better no i wish that's how it went sorry i'm so primed to just hate this man okay no he is still equally stupid and he's he's like do you have a warrant and he's like trying to stand up for himself somehow and they're like actually we don't have we don't have that or need it thanks like thanks for checking on me bud you know like just i got it and uh they're like well we're packing so it's really cramped in here right now and i gotta say that is an understatement um i want to add that as all this is happening by the way jordan's older sister who's the eldest the 29 year old jennifer she knew about jordan's escape plan so she was basically like hearing a commotion and she didn't know like if the police were bringing her sister home if like they had gotten help finally you know she didn't know what the outcome was so she's terrified as well she isn't waiting in her bedroom she hears knocking on the door they say it's the police and finally this family these kids realize that they're actually being taken out of this house which has to be also on its own scary because they've never been outside like even if they know they're being terrified terrifying maybe not because i'm sure they've been told the police are bad or something so no they just didn't even really understand they didn't even really have an understanding of like yeah the outside world and yeah i don't know I don't know the right way to put it because there was also a lot of trouble they faced because they weren't familiar with the outside world, got taken advantage of, you know, troubles in foster care, that kind of thing, because they were not properly prepared for the real world, you know. So there were, yeah, yeah, there were both sides. So inside the house, deputies were horrified to discover that things were basically exactly as Jordan had described, but worse. they find 13 well now 12 emaciated children some of whom are chained to their bunk beds and by the way like in the body cam footage you can see that the the mom like had thrown they're looking for the chains because she had taken them off it took them like five minutes to open the door and it's because she was undoing the chains and hiding them but she didn't get to one of the kids so one of the kids uh the chains were still on and they couldn't find the keys and this poor boy was like in chains this entire time police are looking everywhere for the key they can't figure out how to get this poor kid out of this bed i mean it's just all very harrowing and like upsetting to watch just to give you a warning um but the house itself too is just absolutely filthy uh i'm gonna send you i mean how could it not be right you have like 13 people trapped inside okay so i'm gonna show you some pictures um this is like where and they were all sleeping in bunk beds but you know this is like a i think like a two-bedroom house or maybe three-bedroom house um and then just to add we there were recently released pictures of the house where the family lived in texas which um these are not current pictures the person who bought the house most recently posted the or um took pictures of inside but this is what their house looked like when they lived in texas and it just gives you an idea oh my god yeah it's filth like filthy like it looks like someone upsetting it looks like there was bodily functions were just spread everywhere there was feces on on the walls it's just i mean you have a two-year-old living there like under the care of a bunch of other children it's just so not justifying at all what they've done this seems like a true mental health crisis as well and they yes okay i believe on her part especially i don't quite know what's going on with the fucking guy but she is struggling psychologically yes or was at least at the time for sure i mean if anyone else could see these pictures right now it's i mean it's just fecal matter beyond compare there's all over the house hoarding um yeah there's there's a lot of troubling stuff um and of course it doesn't excuse it like you said it just explains like the con it gives context to like the specific abuse they endured and like where that came from so they arrest these two with those creepy mug shots and like i said she's just planning on when she's going to get out please it's like that other guy from last week he's like when i get out of here i'm going to sue every one of you and it's like dude you killed your whole family you're not coming out like yeah You're not leaving. Get used to it. These people are so delusional. Okay. So the kids are taken to the hospital, and nurses and doctors, multiple, cried upon treating them because they were just so malnourished, so socially stunted. Some of them were so emaciated they had trouble walking. One of them had heart damage because of the malnutrition. one of the preteen age girls had an upper arm circumference the size of a four-month-old babies oh my god tiny they were and it was just really horrific to see all this and then as somebody kind of astutely put like not just one child but 13 of them you know it's just really shocking and on top of that they've clearly been in isolation their whole lives they really had a lack of vocabulary of socialization of an understanding of the outside world and jennifer the eldest said that her first moment of freedom was dancing to music in the hospital and that's sort of when she realized like i have my own life now she says uh they went to a park and jordan the other sister was ecstatic to smell fresh air and remembers thinking how could heaven be better than this oh my god they really um they really had no understanding of the outside world um i want to add to that in the diane sawyer in the newest one that came out as we record this like last week she said they're still so filled with gratitude they still like admire the sky they still love to sit in the grass like they're still just very um content and like i mean especially a 30 year old like you've never known anything else right and like finding beauty and things that most people just ignore take for granted so let's get into how this even happened right because like of course we're wondering about mental health and all that so this all begins in a small town in west virginia there's a shy nerdy guy named david turpin he graduated from virginia tech got a job at lockheed martin in engineering um and then there was louise robinette she in high school was in the Bible Club in the choir. She was six years younger than him. When they got married, she was 16 and he was 22. But Louise's sister recently told People Magazine that he'd started making passes at her when she was as young as 10 years old. So this girl was basically groomed by this man. Well, he was 16. She was 10. At this point, they already knew each other. And it's been described as she was being taken out of what we'll discuss later as a very abusive, sexually abusive household into another abusive household is what her siblings describe. But, you know, she left her home to be with David. And when she was 16, and he was 22, they were married, they'd grown up Pentecostal. And with that kind of rigidity, they really had this like strict understanding of faith and adherence to faith they got married and moved to oh fort with texas hey maybe i just subconsciously geez and my february 11th we're very uh oh that's weird today yeah it's weird um so they moved to fort with texas where he worked at lockheed martin and this is where things start to really fall apart because they tell family that god wanted them and you know about this to have as many kids as possible which i think is quiverful right yeah okay so they tell their family this and their family's like what but their family remember is a abusive and be like across the country and you know you're in like the 90s um it's just not you're they're not keeping track and so they don't even realize like how bad things get i do have a picture i'm going to send you of the family like young because they do look relatively like the Duggars oh do they really they look weirdly like the Duggars and didn't you say are all the kids names starting with Jay yes what the fuck is going on here this is like I didn't even put that together until now okay well that's just aside from everything else but they literally look like video pictures I've seen of the Duggars when they were younger so yeah I've seen this because I'm thinking this is the most normal picture I have of them But the fact that it makes you think of the doggers makes me so happy because there really is not a normal picture of these two. They're just like monsters. I mean, you've only shown me two pictures, but in both of them, she also just still has dead eyes. Like vacant. Yeah, it's it's sad because just the way she treats her own children. And it's like God wants me to have all these children to lock up in their bedroom. I mean, it's so strange. I would love, not to understand because I couldn't, but I would love to hear their understanding, maybe you're going to tell me, of why God wanted them to have so many kids to torture. There's no rhyme or reason, as far as I can tell. I just didn't know if they even had their own absolutely deranged opinion of it. No, they just basically said God wants them to have these kids, and I think then over time things just evolved. geez i feel like they were like god wants us to have kids and then the bible actually didn't say anything else so like now what do we do with them and they're like wait now what yeah it's it's so strange because it doesn't really track like that that was the motivation you know but that's kind of all we've got um so jennifer the oldest girl who was 29 at the time of escaping this place uh she was born when her parents were 26 and 20 and she really struggled she actually was the only child of the Turpin family to go to school, to go to any sort of schooling ever. She remembered it being extremely traumatic, kids calling her skinny bones. She looks back and she thinks, like, she said, I know I smelled, you know, these kids didn't, I couldn't understand why kids didn't want to play with me. And after third grade, her parents pulled her out of school and no more Turpin children would ever go to school. So they moved to Paris California which was a small town 70 miles outside of L they begin to or they grow even more distant from family At this point they have 13 kids You know their family back home doesn even really realize how bad things have gotten They've fallen out of touch. They put the kids in a trailer behind the house and then they just left them there to fend for themselves. They would go off and like live in their own apartment. And once a week they would drop off like very limited groceries. and this was when jordan was six years old so the younger sister the one who escaped she remembers eating ketchup mustard ice cubes leaves grass just to try and survive out there while her parents were off like gallivanting and like having date nights and my god living in their own apartment the oldest jennifer was forced to discipline the children her dad had these homemade cages he built that she was forced to either put her siblings in or then be punished much worse when they came home so it was essentially like a lose-lose situation yeah um deeply traumatic i can't imagine even her guilt in hindsight of like i mean i know i'm actually in hindsight she's probably like i didn't have a choice i we were just surviving but the the guilt of like not wanting to put your kids your siblings in fucking pages and like now you have to and that impossible task of like being the oldest wanting to protect them being forced into yeah it's really sick because like that's part of the game right like making them responsible for one another i mean it's just really dark so they leave them there um to survive to attempt to survive meanwhile david and louise move into a motel they begin going out to bars drinking having the time of their lives his license plate is literally dl forever which is david and louise forever like it's so weird i'm gonna send you a picture of them together like now they're becoming more and more just like unhinged looking as well oh becoming okay they're there babe i don't know which they are here oh my god they're and by the way the picture that christine just showed me is them at fucking disney and like so they can clearly afford to like not make their kids eat leaves and mustard. Correct. Correct. And like his shirt says happiest memories on earth. Like really. Gross. He's so gross. He reminds me of someone, but it's probably like fucking Pennywise. I don't know what it is. I hate this man. Tim Curry. Okay. You're going to freak out about the next one. You're going to freak out because I'm going to have to punish you with something. I'm so sorry, but I couldn't not. every time he scrolled past i got upset but i have to put it in here um so just as an example of the shit they were pulling the stunts they were pulling they actually brought the kids with them to some of these outings shut up yes there's a group photo of them all at disney and matching outfits um they brought the kids to las vegas to get their vows renewed and then they have the kids file in in matching dresses and like little suits to dance with the elvis impersonator and it's like on video like home video yeah and the kids are like skin and bones and like are just happy to be outside like it's just really dark but here's a picture from their vow renewal in vegas um it's really challenging for it's like carpet that hasn't been like tufted yet like it's like it's just a big strand of like it's like it's like if your hair was one hair it's literally a lego head like it's just like he yuck it just keeps getting worse and like her hair keeps getting cooler like she has a silver streak but like she can't possibly look at him and think that's my man like she can't she can't possibly his hair she simply doesn't have eyes if she okay sorry it's just the one where i went that's a wig it has to be there's no way honestly honestly i would believe that given how gross and narcissistic they are he's bald as shit and he is like i actually have to put this on so i feel good about myself could really be a wig i don't know but it sure looks like one i tell you what um it literally it's flopsy mopsy cottontail over here but put it in a tux you know and it's like what's happening like if you're paying for a wig buy a good one like that's anyway and she again no prize to her she's just easy he's just easy into it and maybe it's just her thing here's a picture of the whole family um of course children's faces blurred out but we've got um oh my god hey guess what i literally can't imagine anything more duggarific than this i mean really duggarific indeed because imagine in the background you hear like you're the devil in disguise and it's like what is going on with these fucking people like ain't nothing but a house and they're like dancing it's so uncomfortable because they're all off the beat and like it's just really cringe and like look how little the one on the right is holding a little baby like a two-year-old this two-year-old lives in the house with them and like look how skinny they are you know these are like teenage age kids or preteen it's just really yeah and this is when the parents like wanted to put them on display right so which like i can't imagine being them and being like so terrified of like like they're in such if they never get to leave the house and they're all of a sudden here like i know that they're petrified of like if i make any wrong move the second we get to the hotel room i am so fucked like 100 percent and because and that's what they not going to tell anybody not going to tell me like there are people right there you couldn't tell elvis like 100 help me no and and the there were a lot of reasons so i showed you that last picture of them in the dresses because in the 2020 interview jordan explained like then they brought us home to wear our filthy pajamas like after this no and like here's just a picture i just it's it's hard to look at but it's some of the clothes that they took out of the bedrooms like just so like beyond soiled like soiled yeah really foul and so they were like it was just all this creepy show you know where they would be taken out oh god and like i can't imagine even i wonder what that did for them psychologically about like being given a gift when it's like i'm sure it's not this way anymore or maybe it was never this way but i would i would start associating like getting a gift with like oh this is something we put on display publicly but then as soon as we get home throw it away it was never yours yeah well you know it's interesting you say that because louise actually suffered from what appears to me to not an expert not a doctor to be a hoarding disorder she had this like manic shopping addiction and it was all to children's toys games and clothes and she would hoard them in the house but not let the children touch them or get evil yeah evil and also by the way in that picture where all of them are at like that we're vulnerable i just want to say again for people dead eyes yeah there's just there's something so soulless about her and he looks like just like justin bieber what we all thought he was gonna look like one day yeah like the photoshop versions of him as an old man yeah it's so weird um horrifying just it's horrifying and they weren't even allowed they were putting these dirty clothes back on and they were brand new with tags in the closets like brand new kids clothes nice ones there were toys still in the shrink wrap um like for example they had about a hundred different collector versions of monopoly but the kids were not allowed to touch them it was bad um at one point david turpin files for bankruptcy um but are david and louise going to take a hit of course not their children can take the hit for them right 100 they start eating bread and peanut butter almost every day when they can get it um the parents are of course eating like fast food and whatever they want but the kids have to just kind of get by on sandwich bread um they even made jennifer often prepare their meals for them like their frozen dinners and stuff but she wasn't allowed to have any herself i can't imagine like smelling actual food and then just eating nothing or leaves or some shit and just like like moldy bread so this dian soya review I mentioned it's so good um it's really well done I have a picture of that from that interview just of how like happy and healthy they look like I just they're like glowing the two sisters that's Jennifer the eldest on the left and that's Jordan who escaped oh my god look at that I know aren't they oh they're so cute they're so sweet like they really are and now three more siblings have kind of come forward into the spotlight a bit to tell their story and they all just look like they're just like glowing like they're all just so beautiful people i don't know they're just full yeah they're very strong people too you know they just there's something about them they're just very self-assured um good for them yeah yeah so they do such a great job like recounting this nightmare and i mean even jennifer being the oldest and saying like i remember when it was just me you know like being the youngest you know think about that and like going to school and then also like imagine finding out that your parents that your mom's pregnant again and knowing that like another kid's going to come just to like have to deal with this like imagine how sad you and it's probably on you you know the responsibility of caring for the kid yeah it's it's horrific um and they of course were not in school but they were registered as sandcastle day school with uh teacher louise turpin principal of the school david turpin but in reality they were just leaving the kids alone in the house and the parents went out and did their own thing. The kids would sneak out like to talk to one another outside of their bedrooms. Of course, unless they were chained up, which was also a regular occurrence. They would sneak bits of fresh air out of cracked windows just to kind of get some air. They began teaching each other what they knew. So like Jordan learned the alphabet from her sisters, you know, because they weren't in school and they were just kind of left in this house of horrors while their parents went out. And they had, you know, basic like they had a TV with like channels on it. They had one or two of the older kids had like a basic smartphone. And so sometimes they could like, you know, look things up or Google things. But for the most part, they were really kept under lock and key. And, you know, people have wondered like, well, yeah, why didn't they just say something or why didn't they talk to somebody or get help? And it was always the threat of either nobody wants you. this is the only place that anybody would ever want you, you know, just like that verbal abuse of like, you're just worthless trash. And like, you're lucky you even have this house, you know, so verbal abuse in that sense. Also the responsibility and like the connection with your siblings, you know, like you don't want to risk. Oh, did my camera just go off? Yep. Goodbye. What happened? I don't know. Sorry, folks, my camera died. And then I forgot what I was saying. um the reason we know a lot of this i will add to is that jordan had a barbie doll that she had been allowed to play with and it had a little pink button on the belt which controlled as jordan discovered a toy camera but like an actual camera inside the doll so she would kind of wander around sometimes and make little movies just for fun and film stuff in the house so we like can see some of that footage online which is just crazy and her parents knew there was a camera in this thing no they had no idea which is why it was like such a damning piece of evidence because you know you see david turpin and his fucking fuck ass bob like waving like going off to lockheed martin to go to work and waving goodbye and it's like your son is chained up in that room what are you doing you know like you just see the filthy carpets and the fact that the kids had to like by the way they had to wait till dark because they were on this like weird schedule where during the day they slept and at night they were allowed to wake up and kind of roam around freely um yeah like caged animals but like they had to keep all the blinds closed and they had to duck they weren't allowed to stand up they you know they were kind of restricted in that sense but they got enough freedom that they were able to like bond you know bond very closely with each other and stick up for each other um and it was because of her little siblings being chained up been hearing that she said she couldn't hear them cry another night she was like i can't hear them cry another night so even though it's life or death like i have to get out of here and uh yeah it was just really remarkable um when they are instructed or when they are uh taken somewhere like disney or whatever um they're instructed never to speak to strangers uh so that's kind of part there was a lot of stranger danger kind of put in their minds like you were saying earlier They're like not to trust people, that kind of thing. Nobody else wants you. Nobody would ever help you. So Jordan actually said that the threat they would get from the parents was that if they ever talked out or ever like got the parents in trouble, that something called CPS, Child Protective Services, would come and separate all the kids. And Jordan basically believed that they'd end up in different countries and never see each other again. So like the fear, I mean, that was like her worst fear because it's like the only people, you know, your siblings and you're so close with them. And the threat of like, if you talk, everybody's going away like you're never going to see them again. Just it really was effective. So they played on the ground and the filthy rugs unless they were chained up and always at night. And of course, this is so weird. This is actually where Justin Bieber comes into the story. What? I'm so serious right now. Are you just calling about that? I'm not. I'm not. I hadn't even put that together until you said it. But Jordan discovered. So Jordan had kind of snuck one of her siblings smartphones, unbeknownst to her parents, and she discovered Justin Bieber's music videos. She became obsessed. Like, she's such a girly girl. Even now in her Instagram, it's all very, like, glam and, like, you know, girly. she became obsessed with his music videos um according as ann sawyer said in the in the um kind of promo she said never underestimate the power and reach of a teenage heartthrob yeah sure has justin beaver commented by the way because i don't think so i don't know they're owed a video i know they're owed like a cameo or something right so jordan was like totally fascinated by this outside world and she began to realize there was like a whole world out there for girls like her um she watched all of his interviews and learned vocabulary and communication through justin bieber's interviews and i know the more she watched the more she realized she wanted to be a part of the outside world she loved high school musical and would watch that and would just imagine like the chance to be in a dance you know in a dress dancing with friends like it was just such a foreign concept and here's a photo of so they had side by side the high school musical scene but then a picture of her after she made a dress out of discarded paper at the house trying to like look pretty it's heartbreaking and she looks so adorable but she made herself a dress out of paper which like go off girl like seriously it's so sad but it's so sweet at the same time you can tell she looks so she feels so pretty she feels very beautiful and like it just really broke my heart Um, so she used the smartphone and was watching all these Justin Bieber videos. And when her parents would leave, um, she'd make singing videos in the bathroom and post them like to, to TikTok or what have you. And one day she got a comment asking why she's always inside and always at night. And she was like, oh, I'm not allowed to eat or get out of bed. Jackpot. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, um, you need to call the police. And she was like, I knew it. I knew something was wrong at my house. Like she really was just, it was finally hitting her like, oh, this is not. Question, question before we move on, because this feels like the end of chapter one and into chapter two. Did the parents not wonder why she knew songs? So she didn't know she didn't sing any of this in front of them. It was only ever when they left. So and the siblings kind of knew that they'd pass her on the phone and stuff. But the parents did not know that the kids were looking at these kind of things. All the siblings were in on the phone. Yes, yeah. And how did we get the phone again? Like, what was the reason for her? Two of the older siblings had access to a smartphone, and somehow Jordan got her hands on it. And I think it was, like, so that the parents could call them or track them or, like, it was something very. That feels so risky for people who are holding 13 people hostage for 30 years. But I think they get to the point where they're so comfortable. They're like, eh. Sure. You know what I mean? Like she's almost 30 and it's like, well, she's clearly. We can trust that she's not going to do anything. Yeah, kind of. And it's like, honestly, we don't know if anything would have happened if Jordan hadn't like gotten this idea in her head to escape. Right. I mean, like it could have kept them there longer. So this is horrid because pretty quickly I she didn't get caught singing songs, but she did get caught watching a music video, a Justin Bieber music video. oh no oh no oh no oh no yes and her mother choked her in her bed until she was unconscious uh she began to have serious nightmares about her mother killing her and one day mother as they called her mother and father by the way one day mother says they're moving to oklahoma start packing up and jordan was like it's now or never i gotta fucking get out of here and um one detective on the case i believe he was either a detective or a doctor but he very familiar with the case and he said i don't think all those kids would have survived the trek to oklahoma when we found them they could barely walk and like they're trying to shuttle these kids to oklahoma who knows how and under what conditions like it just the timing was now or never she told two of her sisters including jennifer i'm gonna leave and they help her plan so she draws a basic map jennifer does she doesn't quite know where everything is outside but she tries to explain like the layout of the street in the neighborhood they make sure to get pictures of the abuse to to show proof they call a taxi to get a quote um and jordan had seen the show cops and when the taxi cost way too much money like they didn't have hundreds of dollars for a taxi to come pick them up jordan was like i've seen people call 9-1-1 on cops and that's where she had learned that and so she took this like dilapidated old phone this like defunct phone and uh you know hit it and the day before the move she said i gotta go so she hid pillows under her blankets climbed out onto the windowsill and hopped out sounds like fucking scrim hopping out of these windows my god a blast yeah seriously wow so she hops out the window and it's like really chilling you see the footage the ring footage from across or the doorbell footage from across the street you can see like a kid hopping out and just like looking around and then just running and that's when she made this call that we started with earlier in the episode did the neighbors know what was going on so some of the kids have expressed frustration that the neighbors knew something was wrong and had to have known something was wrong but didn't say anything um same with the school system the fact that like nobody clocked that this daycare was a real thing it was fake thing and like they were never checked up on you know and it's hard because like most abuse allegations are are made through schools or not allegations most like um inquiries are made because school schools are mandatory reporters and so like they're not in any schools and so there's just nobody to advocate for them and it it is wild though because i would imagine like the neighbors you live across the street from a house of 15 and you only ever see two like i don't even know if you would know though yeah maybe they didn't even know there were kids that lived there i don't know if they knew how many at least um but like also the blinds always drawn like i'm sure you'd think like something's bad but i don't know that you'd ever even have any clue sure yeah but i don't know man i guess gives me the shivers yeah so she made that call um and we've kind of covered how the arrest happened all that so these two were charged with 12 counts of torture seven counts of abuse of a dependent adult six counts child abuse 12 counts false imprisonment louise's defense took the angle that she'd been diagnosed with histrionic personality disorder and like they even used her saying you know when i get back i promise i won't chain them up again as like evidence that she clearly didn't understand the gravity of the situation she's clearly not with clearly out of touch um they even have her sister's way in and according to them louise um may have ended up where she did because of a very very dark family secret which i think we can all see just these horrible patterns reappearing again ongoing sexual abuse from a very close friend or family member we don't know um but so they described him as very very close and somebody that they were meant to trust and that's kind of where that conversation about um her leaving one abusive household into another has come up with his siblings um i do have a picture of them at trial because like now his hair is gray but it's the exact fucking same bob what is with i can't even look at it don't please don't make me do this i'm not gonna send you any more pictures of him and you know what i have to give actually i have to back up a little bit and give a little grace on that haircut because that was the era of justin bieber and zach efron high school musical maybe that was true in vogue but yeah but i think like a six-year-old man who's like kidnapping children you know maybe like read the room don't fucking you're not a hip teen like you're not 16 fucking you're not even a good dad no you're no no you're not a good person nothing about you is good shave your head shave of your head cut it out give it okay so david refused to talk to investigators basically the entire time uh they both pled guilty and perhaps the only thing sadder which like i hate to say this and i'm sure this is not something i was able to cover in 2018 the only thing sadder i think than all of the above is that like they were pretty much a lot of them at least were failed by the foster care system after their rescue which like is just such a hard thing to hear after like such a daring escape and like finally being rescued and a lot of things have slipped through the cracks i mean these kids had never been taught what a sidewalk was let alone like right how to handle a debit card and it's like you know of course people took advantage there was a sexual assault allegation of one of the foster fathers and one of the daughters the younger turpin girl said like oh well people can tell when you're vulnerable and have issues and are looking for a father figure and she's like i didn't know that that was like you know and if there were signs you wouldn't have even known about that you've never heard about it right like after all the abuse you just went through a baby you're like at least i'm not chained to a bed now so like yeah it's like comparing it's replacing traumas with other traumas and not knowing how to react yeah they were often passed around there were comments too on that note that like i i know why your now i know why your parents did this to you they got a lot of like verbal i know like a lot of verbal abuse from foster families um there was talk of like oh look what your parents did to you no you know nobody wants you to like it's just really dark stuff and like even in that in 2020 updated episode they said diane sorry it was like i just want to make it clear to like of course they're wonderful foster families and it's such an important job but just to hear like when things go wrong and aren't and people aren't advocated for by like the people that are in the system that are supposed to take care of them it's just really hard to hear um they were placed in dangerous environments um one of the daughters was assaulted they they were oftentimes um couch surfing as in didn't have a place to live uh i mean the youngest was two right like think about this like that's just so hard um one investigator said like they had no sixth sense about the world about who was safe who wasn't safe they were just kind of dumped out in the world um and so what happened and like the other thing is like they raised a lot of money through the public but like the kids were not really given access to it so it's like they don't really know whatever happened to it and then this one woman vanessa who was meant to be helping the kids transition into the real world she like didn't help she was like when they'd ask for help with like the bus system she'd be like google it like she would just seem like why she got fired at she actually She got fired. One of them needed help with getting dental benefits. And she she was a I mean, talk about man. Wow. Talk about neglectful. She allegedly, you know, didn't help them access dental benefits and just really was hands off. Yeah. Yeah. Really, really rough. And they did begin official inquiries in 2022 and reached a settlement with the Turpin siblings. But as part of that settlement, the department said that they did not admit any wrongdoing, whatever, you know, foster system that was. But as far as I can tell now, in 2026 from the updates, it appears that most of them, if not all of them, are thriving. OK, they're all extremely close, like all 13 of them. Here's a picture of Jennifer's gothic wedding. Shut up. I know. It's just what a dream. sweet and like they just look so happy and then um this is jordan who now does i mean she is successful she has uh she's so sweet and beautiful she has an instagram with 359 000 followers um and on her bio not one of them is justin bieber i'm pissed off i know and she hopes to be a motivational speaker someday so that's that's incredible and then like i said there's that newest special um where the the youngest siblings decided to step forward and speak out and it's just amazing to think like that there are 13 of them and over the years like more and more might decide to like come forward you know um and we probably hear more and more details as as the kids become adults and share their stories wow so that's the case well done serpent fam and there's 13 of them how do we know how old the oldest is now um she was 29 in 2018 so my bath is not so eight years ago so she's 37 now something like that yeah that sounds right wow yeah good job christine that's just i mean it needed pictures like usually it did i feel like i can get by but that man's hair i'm so people like i don't know and you know what really ticks me on you know what teased me right oh is that i can't even like we can't even share these on instagram because we're gonna get in trouble or whatever and i want to share them on youtube or somewhere like i want you guys to google it any picture you find of that man the hair will be asked i think david turpin david and louise turpin and you'll see all sorts of versions of the hair um i'm so impressed with how they have all seemed to make like a somewhat of a full recovery i know they're it's so incredible a lot healthier than i think i could be i mean i don't know obviously but like wow they really seem like they've been adjusting very well yeah oh my gosh great news well good story christine wowza well thanks happy wednesday um um thanks you too what's your name again yeah it's just literally a letter um i uh yeah okay well is that it i just like hit a brick wall of like energy i don't know what happened i'm like crashing oh my god am i gonna fall asleep again there she goes folks all right well um no please if you know that episode please let me know in the comments because i would love to listen. I hate it. I hate it so much. We'll see y'all next week. And that's why we drink. Let Ford.