Nightcap Hour 2: LeBron ENJOYS Playing Game 7’s on ROAD + Jeremy Lin & Kobe Didn’t SPEAK for 5 MONTHS + Gil Areanas PRASIS Iso Joe + Pats RELEASE Stefon Diggs + Chiefs TRADE Trent McDuffie + Cardinals RELEASE Kyler Muarray
71 min
•Mar 5, 20263 months agoSummary
Nightcap Hour 2 covers major NFL offseason moves including the Patriots releasing Stefon Diggs, the Chiefs trading Trent McDuffie to the Rams, and the Cardinals releasing Kyler Murray. The hosts also discuss LeBron's preference for Game 7s on the road, Jeremy Lin's five-month silence with Kobe Bryant over leadership style, and Gil Arenas praising Joe Johnson's draft evaluation.
Insights
- Elite players like Kobe and Jordan don't prioritize personal relationships in pursuit of winning, creating friction with teammates who need respectful communication
- NFL teams prioritize draft capital and multiple needs over paying premium salaries to single defensive players, even proven performers like McDuffie
- Running back position has devalued significantly; only elite talents like McCaffrey and Henry command multiple lucrative contracts in modern NFL
- Game 7 performance psychology differs between home and road contexts; road wins provide psychological advantage of silencing opposing fans
- Quarterback consistency and health availability matter more than draft pedigree; missed time undermines development regardless of coaching quality
Trends
NFL teams increasingly value draft flexibility over retaining proven defensive talent at premium salariesRunning back market stratification: only top-tier backs (McCaffrey, Henry) secure multiple contracts; others face one-deal careersElite player mentorship styles clash with modern expectations for respectful communication; traditional 'tough love' creates team frictionNBA players leveraging fashion and lifestyle branding as revenue streams parallel to athletic performanceQuarterback availability and health consistency now weighted equally with talent evaluation in draft and trade decisionsDual-threat QB market uncertainty: teams debate whether mobile QBs fit traditional pocket-passing offensive systemsCoaching system continuity drives QB success more than individual talent; system familiarity enables faster adaptationCelebrity guest appearances on podcasts becoming strategic content acquisition tool for audience growth and viewershipSports media trend toward controversial takes designed to generate engagement and trending topicsOrganizational culture and leadership philosophy significantly impact player retention and free agency decisions
Topics
NFL Free Agency Strategy and Salary Cap ManagementGame 7 Performance Psychology in Professional SportsQuarterback Development and Coaching System FitRunning Back Market Valuation and Contract TrendsElite Player Mentorship and Team DynamicsDefensive Player Trade Value in Salary Cap EraDual-Threat Quarterback Fit in Modern OffensesPlayer Health and Availability Impact on Draft ValueOrganizational Culture and Player RetentionSports Media Engagement and Controversial CommentaryNBA Player Fashion and Lifestyle BrandingPodcast Guest Strategy for Audience GrowthDraft Evaluation and Prospect AssessmentTeam Rebuilding Timelines and Window ClosureCoaching Continuity and System Familiarity
Companies
New England Patriots
Released veteran WR Stefon Diggs after one year, citing off-field distractions despite strong on-field performance
Kansas City Chiefs
Traded CB Trent McDuffie to LA Rams for draft picks due to salary cap constraints and multiple roster needs
Los Angeles Rams
Acquired CB Trent McDuffie from Chiefs; McDuffie expressed preference to return home to California
Arizona Cardinals
Released QB Kyler Murray after multiple injury-plagued seasons, owing $37M guaranteed for 2026
Miami Dolphins
Mentioned as potential destination for Kyler Murray in free agency discussion
Minnesota Vikings
Discussed as potential landing spot for Kyler Murray given offensive weapons and QB needs
New York Jets
Mentioned as potential destination for Kyler Murray in free agency
Sacramento Kings
Discussed as tanking for draft picks; struggling franchise seeking turnaround after early 2000s success
San Francisco 49ers
Discussed playoff window status; lost key defensive players Bosa and Warner to injury
iHeartRadio
Podcast distribution platform and sponsor of 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards
People
LeBron James
Reportedly prefers playing Game 7s on the road to avoid home crowd pressure and disappointment
Jeremy Lin
Confronted Kobe Bryant about leadership style; they didn't speak for five months after the incident
Kobe Bryant
Gave Jeremy Lin negative body language over coaching disagreement; didn't speak to Lin for five months
Gil Arenas
Praised Joe Johnson's draft evaluation and shooting guard skill set on Derek White's podcast
Joe Johnson
Former NBA player; discussed draft process, Kobe mentorship, and playoff experiences on Nightcap
Michael Jordan
Compared to Kobe as elite player with similar mentorship style that doesn't prioritize personal feelings
Stefon Diggs
Released by Patriots after one year; had strong on-field performance but off-field distractions cited
Trent McDuffie
Traded from Chiefs to Rams; expressed preference to return to California as hometown player
Kyler Murray
Released by Cardinals; injury-plagued career with multiple missed seasons and health concerns
Patrick Mahomes
Chiefs' franchise QB; enables team to trade away premium defensive talent due to his elite play
Kwame Brown
2001 #1 draft pick by Wizards; discussed as example of prospect placed in wrong organizational situation
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
NBA player known for elite streetwear fashion sense; discussed as style trendsetter in league
Tim Hardaway
Made controversial claim that Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill were better than LeBron in their primes
Grant Hill
Discussed as potentially elite in prime but injuries limited career trajectory compared to LeBron
Penny Hardaway
Discussed as potentially elite in prime but injuries significantly limited career potential
Lou Holtz
Legendary Notre Dame football coach; recently passed away; won 1988 national championship
Nolan Richardson
Arkansas basketball coach; receiving statue at Bud Walton Arena for contributions to program
De'Aaron Fox
Sacramento Kings star; discussed in context of team's struggles and draft positioning
Domantas Sabonis
Kings center; 7'1" player capable of triple-doubles; discussed as key offensive weapon
Drake
Discussed as potential podcast guest to boost viewership; noted as rarely doing podcast appearances
Quotes
"I don't want to play game seven at home. I'd rather be on the road because I'd rather hear less oohs and ahs."
LeBron James (via Rich)•Early segment
"We didn't speak for the next five months. He's not used to people challenging him."
Jeremy Lin•Mid-episode
"The great ones don't care. They put in so much work, bro, to be who they are. They ain't trying to hear that."
Joe Johnson•Kobe discussion
"You can't pay everybody. You just can't. You're going to have to let him go."
Joe Johnson•McDuffie trade discussion
"I truly believe my best ball is in front of me and I look forward to proving it."
Kyler Murray•Social media statement
Full Transcript
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See all the nominees now at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. Audible is a proud sponsor of the Audible Audio Pioneer Award. Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals all in one easy app. Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. And I am Greg Rosenthal. I know that, Greg. We're teaming up on 40s and Free Agents, the podcast that owns the NFL offseason. This is where teams are built. Free agency, combine, pro days, trades. every move matters. From my draft boards and mock drafts to my vaunted top 101 free agents and how rosters come together. Quarterback movement, surprise signings. We'll tell you what it means and who really wins. Open your free iHeartRadio app, search 40s and free agents and listen now. LeBron reportedly prefers playing game sevens on the road. Rich said, LeBron always used to tell me, I don't want to play game seven at home. I'd rather be on the road because I'd rather hear less oohs and ahs. Joe, did you feel the same way? Would you rather play a game seven on the road as opposed to at home? Yeah, no. I want my game seven to be at home. Nah, don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. I don't mind going into, you know, the home environment. Shutting everybody up. Nah, I enjoy that. It is no better feeling than that. But boy, you give me a game seven, you get to tell me I'm at home. Yeah, I'm taking that all day long. For sure. You know, Bruin out here, he'll look different. I think, you know what? It all depends. Because I've been in both situations, Ocho, where you know you've had a championship game at home and you've had two championship games on the road. The only thing I say about playing at home is that if you lose at home, you've got 80,000 disappointed fans. But if you win on the road, it's something about being able to send those fans home disappointed as opposed to your fans going home disappointed. There ain't no great opinion. that's not fair pittsburgh in pittsburgh in the afc championship game beating the raiders in oakland in the afc chapter oh my goodness that's not fair joe what's that i ain't never got a chance to experience none on talk about oh man joe i ain't won nothing outside of madden joe damn i know he went in high school with nothing yeah hey high school we was mediocre joe we was all right we wasn't all that joe but that's crazy i ain't really won when it comes to sporting events i I ain't really want nothing when it came to sport events, but Joe, I'm winning their life though. That's about it. All the war we don't want with nightcap. Yeah. That's why I say that. That's why I say I'm winning in life. As a matter of fact, you got your signal war. They got me mine. I got my who? Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, I misspoke. Hey, what am I? Hey, hey, hey. I misspoke. My bad. My bad. Oh, Joe. My bad. My bad. Hey, hey. Oh, hey. When you gonna send more wars, man? hey joe i'm gonna have my wars man ever since ever since ever i know we i know we doing good i would like to be able to show my kids that we doing good We don't want like Like Four signal awards Yeah Where my four at? You got them Got them where? You got your million plaque You got your hundred thousand plaque Yeah my plaque's right there behind me Yeah Hold on let me zoom in Let me zoom in on my plaques Hey Ocho We might be on a little bit more while to get to that 10 to get to that diamond plaque hey hey diamond how many is that oh hey hey we had to do some we had to do some craziness boy like we got to do so we got to do the you know you know what's gonna get us to that 10 million though honestly is that that outside stuff we can we continue doing our outside stuff and and doing other things that nobody else is doing i know how else we get to 10 million too i have president trump come on Oh, we. I guarantee you, I guarantee you we'll get 10 million subs. Hey, hey, hey. Boy, we'll piss a lot of people off. Boy, you do that, boy. I mean, I'm trying to think who else. Maybe Obama. Obama. No? We'll get some subs, but not like, I mean, you talking about... It got to be controversial. You talking about a sitting president. Yeah. I mean, and the only person he's probably been, I think he's been on with Tucker Carlson. He's been on with Joe Rogan. I think he's been on with Theo Vaughn so he doesn't go on a whole lot of pods he called into McAfee hey you notice the difference in all them and us though that's how it's going to get us 10 million that's how it's going to get us 10 million damn Hey, no, but what else we got? You got the synopsis award. Hey, just hold my words for me. Let let let when all my work is done, then we get we. Yeah, your office, Jordan. First of all, your office was supposed to be done. I ain't sending them to the office is done. I know that's what I just said. See, you got this. you got this oh that's nice you already got it oh i ain't got that ash ain't send me nothing don't nobody nobody got my new address maybe the person that was at the old address kept it uh uh hey yeah this was 2024 god damn that long ago the first year we had it we got it oh man hey well let me send me that one you got it nah hey hey uh man what else i mean no i ain't got that man you know they probably threw anything got to do with me away so you send me that man hey hey joe it be like that sometime joe i already know it's all it's all we gotta get we gotta get a vt award and a n-double-a-cp image We're gonna win. Nightcap gonna win. We gotta get, let's see who else we can get on to get some views. Drake. Yeah. Drake don't really do no That's why we'll get the views. That's why. I'm trying to, who else? I'm gonna hit Drake up for y'all, bro. What about Jordan? Oh yeah, but Jordan do less than anybody. yeah yeah yeah he don't really sit down like that either i'm trying to think that's basically it's only a few people bringing that i tell you who else can get some awards who could get some views too who travis kelsey fiance oh yeah yeah that's that's different yeah that that would be that would that would be a completely different different audience in general there you go see because uh like b and uh hove they don't really they don't really do i mean oh absolutely not i mean for hove to sit down he got to really know you and really really trust you yeah yeah he's got it yeah and i don't i don't know hey that's my bands bro that's my bands up y'all want me to reach out the hole yeah all right i got y'all say chill y'all think y'all think y'all think because i've been hanging around ocho i'm lying now let me reach it chill chill joe chill chill chill but no the biggest game at all i mean the thing is i mean like i said being on the road i mean most of my playoff games we we've been on the road we've won yeah obviously the super bowl is a neutral location but it's on the road. It ain't your building. It's not theirs, but it's still a road game, even though it's a neutral location. It's on the road. So you figure three Super Bowls, two AFC championship games, that's five. Two divisional games, that's seven. So seven of 13 games that I've won, I've been on the road. Hey, Joe, you've been in the playoffs before, huh? Yeah, a few times. Damn, man. Oh, you ain't never played in the playoffs. in the NFL? Just twice, Joe. What happened? I only had two winning seasons in 13 years, Joe. Damn. That's why I had to have so much fun so I wouldn't be mentally stressed, Joe. Right, I get you. I get you. I get you. Oh, we're going to get bad. We're going to reach out to Bad Bunny, too. Okay. Okay. I know J Balvin. You try anything. I don't know if that's... I mean, I'm not sure how that compares to Bad Bunny. He's still up there like that, though. No, Bad Bunny. You see the thing? Bad Bunny did 4 billion views. The Super Bowl, 4.1 billion. Damn. That's why he was up there. If he was like, well, I don't know why he was up there. Now you know. Now you know. I mean, and think about this. this is the funny thing about it. Super Bowl is in L.A. next year, right? Now, who in the hell can you get for Super Bowl next year that can top what Bad Bunny did? Taylor. Ah, that's a good one. She said, you know, hey, her and Jay-Z and their teams are in constant communication. That is the first call they make every year. I promise you. Whether you like it or not, or this or that, I get all that. I see you. I see you. I'm telling you. Right. But I if she doesn't do it, I don't know who you're going to get. I don't. I don't know. Yeah. But guess what? I don't give a damn who they get. I'm watching. Right. Hey, he lived there. He had in Tarzana. Tarzana? Tarzana? What's that? CB. Oh, I, Matt, I could text CB CB, CB, CB, I could take them too, but they got, they got, we ain't got no pool with the Super Bowl. Yeah. I can take them like, Hey bro. Can you come on back? Can you give us five minutes on night camp? Hell I could take it too. Yeah. Yeah. He'll give me, he'll give us, he'll give us 10. He'll give us 10. He'll give us 10. I thought you see, you ain't gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna be like, I'm He'll give us 10. I taught, you see, y'all don't even know, right? When I used to live in LA, Joe, you know? Yeah. You know, I used to be a crumper. I used to crump dance. You used to do all that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's how I met Chris years ago. I was young. I don't joke. I had... You were trying to be a background dance or something? Nah, you know, birthday parties. Birthday parties. I used to be, I'd be. Oh, you, oh, you like, uh, okay. I see what you got. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I met Chris Brown years ago. This when I was in LA, this like back in this, this 97, 98, you know what? Made me a little change, yo. Yeah. And then that's when, that's when after that, it wasn't enough money. That's what I went to the little, the little stripping part of my life, you know? Oh. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And you ain't know, you ain't know that Joe? Nah, I ain't know you used to strip and all that. Joe, I used to dance. I was down from 98 to 99, Joe, at the right track in LA. So, like, they call you to, like, come do these birthday parties and stuff like that, and you come show out for the women. Sometimes. Back to the red parties. Hey, Joe, you ever heard of dancing bear parties? Yeah. Yeah, they used to call me. Yeah, I used to do those. You used to go show out. I used to do it at the right track. You know, my stage name was Twix. Was Twix? Yeah, because I was small and I had veins everywhere. I, I, I, I, Joe, I'm telling you, I had to make, I had to make the honest living, Joe. I had to pay for books. I had to pay for tuition. I had to pay for classes. Yeah. I mean, I had to make it as me, Joe. They weren't giving no NIL back there. Oh, absolutely not. What's in on this, Joe? Uh, Jordan. Could they see that? It was. Joe, what that is, huh? Jordan zooming in. It's a breezy. he say breezy he say he got breezy number man I don't gotta lie I do not have to lie about anything who the most famous person in your phone I don't have to lie y'all lie to get attention I don't have to lie not what y'all say now who the most famous person in your phone Joe probably uh ice cube let me see okay here go here go man hold on hold on hey joe what's up hold on let me see if y'all can see this well i'm blocking the number out who who you who dw you see it i'm assuming that's a dw right damn how you make it zoom in you just it has to focus oh yeah denzel washington that's that's that's my that's my most famous person yeah yeah let's see i'm trying to think who else i got q snoop p i got snoop oh yeah ross what about um i'm talking about famous famous I had Kanye but I don't know He changed Hey I don't know what I don't know what Broby I don't know what Broby going through man I'll try to see Why you laughing Joe? Hey Boy you here Damn i'm trying to think every uh comedian that's been on my podcast oh i know hey i took i took mr cook number when was that apple oh tim cook yeah does that does that count no hell yeah i ain't never i ain't never bothered you like me yeah i i have a a Mainly, like, I just DM. I don't call them. I just DM them. And they're like, man, why don't you just call? Like, nah, bro, I don't want to bother you like that. I just say. Yeah. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than No Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid. Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it, Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. The story of the sport's most consequential driver's strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricciardo's illustrious F1 career a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both? He started getting all this attention, and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this. I'm better. And plenty of other mishaps, scandals, and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to No Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the biggest night in podcasting. The countdown is on to our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards. Live from South by Southwest, March 16th, We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented creators in the industry. It's truly a who's who of the podcasting world. Creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. And the winner of the iHeart Podcast Award is... See all the nominees now at iHeart.com slash podcast awards. Audible is a proud sponsor of the Audible Audio Pioneer Award. Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals all in one easy app. Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. And I'm Greg Rosenthal. And this is 40s and free agents. The games may be over, but the NFL never stops. This is my favorite part of the calendar. Yeah, mine too, Greg. Free agency, the combine, the NFL draft, pro days, trades. This is where teams reshape their future. This is where Daniel Jeremiah makes his money. On 40s and free agents, we break down every move that actually matters. From my draft evaluations, mock drafts, and team fits. To my top 101 free agents and how real rosters are built, cap space, contracts, and all the tough decisions included. You got quarterbacks on the move. We got teams rebuilding. It's hope season. Yeah, absolutely. It's hope season. We'll tell you what's real, what's noise, and what it means for your favorite team. Smart analysis, real conversations every week. I don't know about the smart, but definitely analysis. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We got a pretty good list. Jeremy Lin says he and Kobe went months without talking after confronting him about his leadership style. Let's take a listen to what Jeremy Lin had to say. He was upset at me over something that I was actually trying to do. but the coach was telling me not to do it. And so he was like, no, don't like, don't foul him. I was like, no, we got to foul him. Right. And so Kobe was like, foul him. I was like, I know I'm trying to, but I'm telling the coach and the coach was telling me don't foul. So then I'm like, I don't know what to do. Yeah. So it ended up being something where he had, he had given me really bad body language So I texted him This is and we couldn like me and him like when we would lose we be up at like three four in the morning just not able to sleep just very competitive Yeah So we I texted him and I was like hey man like I really don appreciate the body language and and and so and he and he you know he came back with the shark response and then I went back at him But it ended cordial where I ended up saying, I was like, I'm not saying that you can't teach me. You're obviously like a hundred times the player I am. I want to learn anything and everything I can from you. I'm just asking, can you just say and do it in a way that's like respectful to me as a man, right? Yes. And so he was like, all right, I got you. And then he sent over a text with some advice. He's like, let's start with this. I was like, I got you. I'm going to be focused on that. I'm going to be working on this. I'm gonna be thinking on this of exactly what you're saying. I'm just trying to get better. I'm trying to help this team more. We didn't speak for the next five months. Dang. You already know where it was like, it was like for him it was, and he even talked about it because we patched up later, but he had talked about like, he's not used to people challenging him. And I wasn't challenging him like, I'm better than you and I'm smarter than you. I was only challenging him like, hey, can you teach me in a way that's a little bit more effective for me to process it's not versus not like talking down to me hey uncle joe what's all be different man kobe different he's an animal he's a student of the game so i can understand it in a sense i've never played basketball today in my life especially at that level but from the outside looking in for the fruit interactions i've had with kobe and And understanding, I can totally see him and understand exactly what Jeremy Lin had to go through. That's crazy. And who else? The only other person I can think that is probably like that as well would probably be Michael Jordan. Mentality, the way they carry themselves. They're not friendly at all. And anything that is combative to them in any situation where it has to do with basketball in general, they see it as a challenge. yeah you just have to look at everything and says whatever he says to me is not personal you gotta start with that premise because if you don't start with that premise because the tone right in which they talk to you you're like yes and what did he say can you give it to me in a way that is respectful to me as a man right right at the end of the day i understand you're kobe you're the black mamba yes so let's not lose sight that i'm a man so and that's the thing you know what he just tried to teach me it's not personal because i mean it's the tone in which they talk tone has a lot to do with it though cho because you know like your mom or your grandma could like they say something in the tone lets you know the seriousness that they were dead ass yeah you know hey my grandma famous say, boy, don't make me hurt you. Right. Hey, if she ever uttered those words, you know, granted, was dead for real, for real. Yes, serious. And typically, the great ones, they don't even give a damn if you take it personal or not. Right. You know what I mean? Just 100. Like, they don't care nothing about that. Like he said, man, they didn't speak for five months. You think Kobe lost some sleep behind that? Right. No. Can you imagine your teammate coming in, Ocho, he don't even speak to you, bro? Because I've heard this happening on numerous occasions. He ain't the first one to say this. Yeah. The great ones don't care. They put in so much work, bro, to be who they are. They ain't trying to hear that. I'm trying to think if there's anybody on the team that would... Because normally they're going to break it up. Unless they're like just two supreme players. Obviously, you know, you ride it out as long as you can. Because if you're winning, Ocho, the last thing, and Joe, you know this, the last thing you want to do is break up a winning formula. I don't know if y'all got – were y'all old enough to remember when Coke changed the formula? They went to this secret formula. They had another formula. And their old – Coke. Yeah, Coke had another formula. This had to be like early 80s. Man, the people complained so much, they got rid of that formula. a hell no but normally it's a formula that's working I don't think there was anything wrong with the original Coke but you know you try some things and you know and it didn't work but I can see and I agree with you Joe I can see this like Kobe's trying to win damn your feelings when I'm trying to win right damn your feelings when I'm trying to win he ain't studying that Hey, man, as long as we win, we cool. We ain't winning. Yeah, I got an attitude, whatever. Yes. For sure. What the – I told you, Ocho, bro, I told you. Don't feed them. They don't win no games. Don't feed them. Oh, yeah. They don't do it out. They don't need to eat. They ain't earning. You got to earn your meal. But it's – Look. Man, that's – Those great players, man. You got to – Hey. Everybody can't play with Kobe. Everybody couldn't play with Jordan. Mm-mm. you can't and you definitely can't take anything they say personal cousin eat you up and then you end up wanting to come to blows with the man everyday in practice but you gotta stand up for yourself because if you don't stand up for yourself they'll run over you now you gotta stand up for yourself because at the end of the day no matter how great you are no matter how small I am guess what I am a man a man yes a man don't lose sight of that and I might not have a wife and I might not have kids or anything like that but I'm still a man and so I told him okay we start with that and that man ain't speaking for me for five months that's how you know I seriously yeah for sure yeah for sure savage savage Joe you ever have a teammate to challenge you to challenge me he got one nah what you saying like in a confrontation nah nah you got one netto you don't even know what you you don't even know what you said yourself you know I'm one of them cats You keep talking. The more you talk, the more you piss me off. Joe, I don't care. Hey, Joe, this me. All I do is talk. My career is built off talking shit. And you getting pissed off ain't gonna do nothing but make me play better, boy. And the more pissed off I am, the hell you gonna have to pay, boy. You don't even know it. That's fine. Joe, you gonna have to show me. I ain't got no problem doing that. You gonna have to show me, and I know you're not from Missouri. I ain't got no problem doing that. You gonna have to show me, and I know you're not from Missouri, my boy. I put that thing on Joe at the lawn club, but Joe, you remember? You remember he's feeling some type of way? What? Yes, I did. I remember. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, after that first game, then he threw the ball over there, talking about losers go first. Yeah, I took that to heart. I went berserk after that. I went berserk. I lost it. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you know how I'm gonna get Joe. You know how I know he gonna fold right under pressure? What's that? He never had nobody in his ear like me, right? And then he really gonna fall when them cameras rolling. Because when them cameras rolling, that's when I show up. Then you just see what happened when the cameras were rolling in New York. Huh? Then you just see what happened when the cameras were rolling. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. We doing stuff I never done before. I was a rookie out there. You see, you forgot. You done forgot. There you go. See what you started, Ocho. See, Ocho, see what I'm talking about? Every time y'all forget. Every time y'all forget, I'm gonna remind you, okay? Now keep on if you want to, Ocho, I'm telling you, boy. All right. See what I'm talking about, Ocho? Write some checks and start it. You can't cash now. Yeah. Hey, I don't even write checks, because they going to bounce. See what I'm talking about, Ocho? I'm going to let him know. Let's let him have. Ocho, let him have his moment. Let him have his moment. I try to be cool. I'm going to let him have it? I try to be cool. I really don't even bring it up. But the people, you know what I'm saying, I already know they vouching for you, boy. Ocho, he ain't nothing but an instigator, bro. You go, hey, boy, I'm coming to Miami. I'm talking about when I come to Miami, partner, boy, ain't going to be nothing nice. You hear me? Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Where you want to play at? You want to play outside? You want to play inside? Because Pac can let us use the gym. Yeah, we going to the Miami Heat facility. Okay, yeah, they're going to let me use it. Yeah. They're going to let me use it. And we're going to have every camera on in there so we get every angle. I don't want to hear no excuses. Don't threaten me with no good time, baby. I'm down for whatever. You hear me? Yeah. But Joe D, that's all right, Joe. We're going to be back outside. this meal be healthy. Oh, I already told y'all. If the last time y'all seen me, I was 60, 65%. This time, I'm going to be 95 to 100. Man, y'all ain't got a chance. What'd that mean? Yeah. What'd that mean? Okay. You being 95 to 100 and I'm 95 to 100, you put your pants on one leg at a time just like me. What you saying? Okay. All right. What you saying? Okay. Okay. Gale had quite the praise for you Joe on Derek White's podcast take a listen to what he had to say I remember Joe Johnson I remember working out with Joe he was in Wizards he was bringing people to work out and I was in there with a workout and I'm watching his mentor and I'm like why does everybody see any special I couldn't see it whatsoever when he got drafted I mean what the hell is here so I'm like alright you're on my hit list moving forward so that's one of the reasons I kind of like don't like them because that draft process when he went to Atlanta I saw Joe I was like I was sitting here like how did they see this like where was it the last four years and it was weird because in Boston he was like yeah I knew he wasn't good when I seen him like they put the ball in his hand it became more like a point I was like oh so cold whoa he's wicked really wicked he had one of the most complicated shooting guard packages of our era if I say one player I didn't read them well it was probably Joe Johnson. Okay, it's some nice words, Joe. It's a good word. I appreciate Gil for that, but here's what I tell y'all about that. I remember this like it was yesterday. We worked out for the Wizards. They had the number one pick. I know I ain't going number one. Okay, Ocho. Yeah. Yeah, that was Kwame Brown. That was Kwame 1-1. They was looking for a big man, but the fact, you know, you're going to work out for the Wizards. MJ going to be there. MJ working us out, taking us through. So that was my first time getting a chance to meet MJ. So that's why that workout was so special. But I couldn't even tell y'all what we did in the workout, bro. I ain't going to lie because I wasn't that engaged. Like, man, they got all these perimeter dudes in here. Ain't none of us going number one. Yeah, we just in here wasting their time. You knew that we were going to take a big joke. Yeah, I knew they were taking a big. They had, I think they had Jed Stackhouse, MJ coming back. I think they had Rip Hamilton. and I'm like, man, please. You're exactly right. Well, hold on. Who was the big they took? Kwame. Kwame Brown. He was nice, huh? Yeah, he was nice. He was a big boy out of high school. 6'11, could run, could do it. 6'11? 6'11, straight out of high school, 18 years old. He was phenomenal. He was a man. He just went into the wrong situation. He just went into the wrong situation. You see, remember how we talked about Kobe and Jordan and how they talk? Yes, sir. That was the situation he should have went to. They needed somebody 24, 25 years of age, not a kid. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I agree. And, you know, they didn't run plays for him. He's like, okay, you know, you want the ball, get it off the glass. Yeah. So, yeah. Damn. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than No Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. 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On 40s and free agents, we break down every move that actually matters. From my draft evaluations, mock drafts, and team fits. To my top 101 free agents and how real rosters are built. cap space, contracts, and all the tough decisions included. You got quarterbacks on the move. We got teams rebuilding. It's hope season. Yeah, absolutely. It's hope season. We'll tell you what's real, what's noise, and what it means for your favorite team. Smart analysis, real conversations every week. I don't know about the smart, but definitely analysis. Listen to 40s and Free Agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's tough. Ocho Joe SGA pulled up the post game interview with one of the wildest fits of all time let's take a look at what SGA did what the hell SGA look like a Pomeranian SGA took style to a whole new level they took it to a whole new level But hey, you got to put some time into this. And it's cold out there at OKC? No, they was in New York. Oh, yeah, it's cold out there. Okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah, he might be the most, I don't want to say the most stylish. He's the most stylish streetwear fashion person probably in the NBA. You got other people that can dress, you know, but not street fashion. But when it comes to street fashion, I would assume he has the best style when it comes to streetwear. Yeah, when it comes to putting it on, them boys be putting it on. Yeah. I would switch through shorty. Yeah. I would switch through shorty, Ojo. I like to be comfortable, bro. Right, right, right. We're in a different era now. It's like a runway going to the games. When we walk into the game, it's like a runway now. It is. It absolutely is. It absolutely is. I mean, this is how guys are building their brand. You know, brands are trying to... And you see now, guys, more of these guys are going to fashion shows. You see them showing up at Louis Vuitton. You see them showing up at these fashion shows, Ocho. And you see Jetta and you see Chase and you see Joey B. And you see all these guys going to the fashion thing. Well, that was just a decade ago. That was unheard of. Right. Now, hell, every NBA player, not every, but, you know, a lot of them show up to these fashion shows, whether it's in Paris, whether it's in New York Fashion Week in New York, a lot of these guys show up, and it's interesting to see. You know, everything ain't my style. You know, hey, the thing that you can wear at 28, you can't wear at 38, 48, 50. Hell, I'm about to be 58. I ain't never – man, look here. Hey, look, look, I enjoy it. I wouldn't wear a lot of the stuff, but I do enjoy watching those guys come in, you know, with their stuff on. I agree. Yeah. Hey, you know, I just thought about, man. Hey Uncle Joe Like Paris Fashion Week I should be a runway model You too big I could lose some weight Have you ever seen A real life one of those people Like really Yeah they real small You gotta eat cabbage everyday Yeah My bad Yeah you gotta be 135 140 Oh no Yeah. Your ribs got to be showing. Yeah. After making a run to the Super Bowl, the New England Patriots and veteran wide receiver Stephon Diggs are parting ways. The Patriots have reportedly informed Diggs that he will be released at the start of the new year next week, just one year after he signed a three-year $69 million deal with the team. Damn. Hold on, Ocho. I thought he done a great job in the locker room I thought he was great being available when he played he balled out a good veteran president of the locker room what's up, what's going on? I think the distractions off the field is too much for them everything is an allegation none of it has been comproved but I just think for that Ocho, you played in that organization and even though the coach isn't there that coached you the principles still apply yes sir I think that for me personally I could be wrong I could be totally off but I think I just think the constant and that I think it just is like nah this is not what we're looking for probably too much I mean also that too obviously NFL most teams they're going younger too I mean I think Diggs had a great season Joe he had a thousand he had a thousand yard season he's gonna get picked up he's gonna be somewhere else I won't be surprised if he ends up in Baltimore I'm just throwing it out there right now being that that's not too far from not mistaken he's from the DMV area so don't be surprised if he ends up in Baltimore just know I said it first and every time I say something on the show for some reason I'm always right and it always happens but that's neither here nor there but he had a good season last night a true leader he had he played well he did what they brought him there to do I thought he did a great job look I thought he did a great job of catching the ball I thought he did a great job with Drake May I thought he didn have any bad mannerisms when he was on the field He wasn't pouting on the sideline. He wasn't loafing on the field. I loved everything. I loved everything about what he was doing on the field. Hey, whatever happened with his relationship, I don't care anything about that. I wish both of them the best. If they're together, stay together. If not, that's okay too. but I just think knowing the Patriots and that organization how they if it ain't football related they ain't trying to hear about it damn yeah he got some juice left though I know he does and you got to think about it so now he's going to get another year so he'll be two years removed Ocho from that ACL so he should become better better than he was this year I totally agree with that Chiefs trade Trent McDuffie to the Rams the Chiefs get the 2026 first round pick which is their pick because you know they have two first round picks they got one of those they got Atlanta's first round pick they get a 2026 fifth round pick a 2026 sixth round pick and a 2027 third round pick for Trent McDuffie services Ocho we talked about this remember we talked about this I said Ocho I'm not going to be surprised at all Hey, you was right. I'm not going to be surprised. You was right. Based on what they have, what they need, knowing they can't pay him. And the thing that I like about him, they asked him a couple of weeks ago or maybe a month ago, if he were to get traded, where would he like to go? He's a Cali kid. He said, I guess I'd like to go back to the Rams. Back home. Jerry and Steve, where did they turn him? Tennessee Titans. Got the big contract. That's one thing. You can say whatever you want to say about the Chiefs, but Andy and Brent, they do a great job. When you play and do what you're supposed to, they will try to put you in the best situation to help you considering what you've done to help them. Yeah, that's a good thing. Most of the time you don't have owners, you don't have head coaches that operate in that manner and understand the value that you bring. And that value that you do have, we can't reciprocate what you've earned to this date. But we appreciate your services. We're going to allow you to go somewhere else and continue to blossom. and we're going to do what we need to do and fill whatever areas we need to. And one of the reasons you know they can do some of the things that they do, Unk, because they got one of the best players in the game. One of the best players to ever play this game. You can make moves like this. Because he can make up for the absence of not having a great DB like Mr. McDuffie is on the defensive side of the ball. They did that with Tyreek. Tyreek, they say you want to go to the Jazz or you want to go to Miami? Okay. He'll put you in Miami. So, and knowing what they need, Ocho, they don't, Ocho, what do they need, a $30 million corner in Kansas City? They got too many other needs. They got too many other needs. And so it just, it didn't come, it didn't come, you know, it became cost prohibitive. And, you know, obviously we got Mahomes. I think they still need a running back. They need a running back back. They need a receiver. Big time. I still believe they need a big time receiver. I just, the little small guy, Ocho, they need a stud. Go ahead, Ocho. I have a question. What's the chances that Kansas City Chiefs pick at number nine, if I'm not mistaken? I think if Jeremiah Love is there, they take him. I'm going to say, I would hope they climb up to go get him. You think he's going to be there at nine, Unc? I don't know. Absolutely not. He is Ocho. I don't think so. He's a kid we know today, right? Yeah, boy. I need those picks, Ocho. I need those picks because I've neglected so long. Now I need to put pieces around Patrick Mahomes. Plus, he's coming off an injury, Ocho. Now, we don't know if he's going to be able to start the season. I know that's his goal. His goal is to be able to start the season. But what if that's not his goal in moving forward? Right. Could there be a situation he goes higher? Hell, Ashton Gentry went sixth. here's a guy that's more of a home run threat than Ashton Jenty a power back now Ashton Jenty for a guy his size he runs with great power great leverage but I love I love Jeremiah I love I think that's what they need but Kansas City just has too many holes to fill to pay a to pay a corner to have a 30 million dollar corner and a 30 million dollar knee tackle and you got Corloftus making a boatload of money you just gave the middle linebacker a a boatload of money. So I'm not surprised based on their recent history and what they need and what it was going to cost for them to keep him. And, you know, that's what happens. When you draft and they've done a great job of drafting Ocho, at some point you can't pay everybody. You just can't. You're going to have to let – it's the same thing with Willard. You're going to have to let him go. You're going to have to let him go. And the only thing is, is that you're not going to get compensation for it. I mean, you'll get compensation because he'll go and you get a third round pick, but you can't trade him and get the value that you could got if you had his rights and traded him. Right. Because you got the new spoon. And you got JSN coming. And I'm in worry. It's going to be up in a year, two years. Yeah. He, he, nice. And we talked about this. I was like, look, if you're prioritizing, K9 is on the bottom of the list because what he's going to want is top five top three top five quarterback running back money and they don't view him as a top three top five back which would be in the 15 million dollar range 15 he's not they can't pay that thank you helping us win a Super Bowl congratulations on your league on your Super Bowl MVP but I mean hey Unc and Joe there's tiers to everything there are tier one running backs and it's only a handful now he's a very very very very good running back but is he in the same conversation with the Saquons and the Jameer Gives and the Christian McCaffreys no he's not he's not yeah he's very good though and that's okay he parlayed it at the right time Ocho I'm a free agent I go on this great run I win the Super Bowl MVP you can't ask for anything better than that Ocho you got Charbonneau and the thing is Ocho they always feel that they can get a back they feel they can get a back because the freshest of back is going to be Ocho when he coming out of college they're going to put 250-300 carries on your legs before you get another contract. So you're talking about 250 to 300. You're going to get 1,000 carries in your first three years. And they don't, you know how it is. They don't value that position the way they once did. No, they don't. They don't value it. And you have to be extremely special for you to hold any kind of value at the running back position in this day and age, in this past and era. And to get multiple contracts? At that running back spot? Oh, it's hard. Hey, Joe, it's hard, Joe. It's hard. I already know. Like C-Mac and Derrick Henry and who else has got multiple contracts at the running back position? McCaffrey. McCaffrey. Yeah, I said C-Mac first. Yeah. That's it. It ain't many. Hey, Joe, it's hard, boy. The Cardinals have informed Kyler Murray that they intend to release him at the first day of the league year. next Wednesday, barring a trade between now and then. Arizona already owes him almost $37 million in guarantee for 2026, and another 19 and a half would have been triggered on the 15th of March. He will now be moving on. Kyler took to social media to address the news. To everyone that supported me and showed kindness to my family and I during my time in Arizona, from the bottom of my heart, thank you. I wanted nothing more than to be the one to end the 77-year drought for this organization. I feel I'm sorry. I failed us i wish this community and my brothers nothing but the best i'm no stranger to adversity i'm prepared for whatever's next i trust in god and my work ethic i truly believe my best ball is in front of me and i look forward to proving it godspeed what you thinking don't you hey i'm i'm curious i'm curious on the destinations that make sense for him. I'm curious. Hey, Miami. Stay with me. Stay with me real quick Uncle Joe. Miami, New York, or Minnesota. Now those are the only three I can think of. The one that I would like him to go to the best. Minnesota. I would, me personally Joe, I would prefer a pocket passer in Minnesota because of all the weapons they have. I would like Kyler maybe in New York or maybe in Miami. That's just me. I would prefer to see Kirk Cousins come back to Minnesota or maybe... I don't want to see Kirk Cousins go back to Minnesota. Hey, Joe, you got to see the numbers, Joe. You got to see one thing Kirk could do. Boy, he going to let that thing fly. Ocho, he going to have a few good games here and there, but come on, man. He ain't going to be the same, Kurt. You know what I mean? I don't know, Joe. But I just think from a passing standpoint, listen, Kyler Murray is very good, very good, very good dual threat quarterback. But I think it limits some of the things you can do when you have that kind of talent over there in Minnesota, when you have a mobile quarterback like that. But the thing is, Ocho. He's not your traditional drop-back pass quarterback. and I think with that offense what they have they need a traditional drop back pass quarterback like an Aaron Rodgers or like a Kirk Cousins that can sling it you don't really need a dual threat I don't know if you noticed though Joe but Malik Willis is going to be available and he's going somewhere hey he's going to the highest bidder that's where he's going Miami Arizona I can see him in Miami Arizona would be a good one too for Malik what's Wilson's first name Mike Wilson Joe boy it's a young bull named Mike Wilson he came out of nowhere yeah I don't know if you've been around Joe he came out of nowhere that's about playing like true number one yeah oh my god boy he nice all year long, Joe. He make them play after play after play after play. Now they get, if they get Marvin Harrison Jr. up to speed, they got Trey McBride, best tight end in football. So, they got weapons. They got to redo the offensive line. They got to get better at the offensive line, don't you? They got to get better at that. Yeah. But. Hey, what do you think about Malik Willis coming down to Miami? I think Miami or Arizona. if I had a choice, I would pick Arizona. McBride, Marvin Harrison Jr., Mike Wilson. Yes, absolutely. I think Connors. Connors is coming back next year, I'm assuming, at the running back. Hold on. Didn't he get the – who got the head job in Arizona? Wasn't it the guy from Green Bay? Yeah. Yeah, Ocho. Yeah. Where did he have success at? Green Bay. What type of offense did he run? Green Bay. The brother. Same thing. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You see how that thing lines up in Arizona? Oh, he in Miami. No, no, no. LeFleur is in Miami, isn't he? Is he in Miami or Arizona? Because Willis is probably going where the other LeFleur brothers went. Right. Or the Cardinals. He going to Arizona, Ocho. He came from the Rams, yeah. But he knows that system because the systems are very similar. Okay. Yeah. So. All right, guys, we're going to get you here on this when it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q. Hey. Before we get to our super chats, we've got some video voicemails from our Discord. This is something we've been wanting to do for years. So to make sure you join the discord, submit a video voicemail for us to show the first one comes from Jordan. Jordan, you're not supposed to be able to do this. Let's take a listen to what Jordan had to say. Nightcap fam, real quick, I just want to thank y'all, Unk, Ocho, Isojo, Ash, and the whole team for everything that y'all do. And for always bringing good vibes and laughter to the streams. Real quick, Ocho, when you go pay Unk his money, man, stop playing with his money. How about this? When you and Isojo play, when Isojo beats you, you got to pay Uncas' $5,900, and you got to go do yoga with Isojo. And if you somehow even score a point on Isojo, you can try to convince them to go hunting or fishing with you, even though we all know that won't happen. Much love, guys. Yeah. Appreciate that, Jordan. Appreciate that, Jordan. Yeah, where you going to pay? The next one comes from Augie. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. KOC is such a great quarterback whisperer the nine gotta be deaf right what did he say I don't know I'm lying KOC is such a great quarterback whisperer the nine gotta be deaf right right for whatever reason he can't stay healthy in order for quarterbacks to get good you have to be consistent you have to stay on the field he missed his entire rookie year and then he played the first game. He brought him back against Chicago and then he's hurt and then he's out. He comes back, he gets hurt again. So he's going to have to build up some consistency. And right now, he's being judged on what Sam Darnold did when he was there. And then Sam Darnold leaves and go win the Super Bowl. So that's the measuring stick, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. That's the measuring stick. And that's the bad part. Not only is that the measuring stick, That same quarterback went on the win of what? Super Bowl. Now it's even worse. No, that's not Jordan. No, that's you over here laughing. No, that is not our Jordan. J, 1984, Unc, you ready for Saturday? I don't think Duke going to lose twice. Ocho was moving on that treadmill, homie. You got to run like that with Unc putting that mask on by that 5,900. You right. Drew Jitsu ISO you see Coach Richardson getting a statue was announced well deserved do you still keep in touch by any chance and Tex didn't get didn't stand a chance oh long live the king best part in the game ha ha ha ha I did see they did getting Coach Nolan Richardson a statue in front of Bud Walton Arena which is in Fayetteville Arkansas So I think it's dope well-deserved. Man, he's done a lot for the state of Arkansas, bro. He's definitely one of the reasons, you know, I committed early to be a Razorback. So I'm happy for him. That is long. Gage, Snedditor. Hey, Unk, Ocho, Iso. Was wondering if you could send some thoughts and prayers to me and my family. We lost our grandmother this past week. It's been really hard. Thank you. Rest easy, Grandma. Yes, Gage, our thoughts and prayers are from the Nightcap family, Uncle Joe and Ocho. We definitely, definitely, our thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family and loved ones and anyone that's been impacted by the sudden passing of your grandmother. Yeah. Just remember the great times. Just remember. I know it's tough right now, but just remember the great times. That's what she would have wanted you to do. John Doe. Joe, you think Kings tanking or they just trash? No, no, they tanking. They want that number one pick. It's about time. Sacramento, they've been on a drought for a long time. Okay, Ocho. You know, I don't remember hearing nothing good about them since early 2000s with C-Webb and Mike Bibin. You know what I mean? It's been a while. It's been a minute. They had... I think De'Aaron Fox and Sabonis, I think they may have got them to the playoff one year. I'm not sure though. But they didn't really make no noise since by the early 2000s. They traded Halliburton, and you see what he's done in Indy. They brought in Sabonis. Sabonis is – people don't realize Sabonis is 7-1. He can triple-double. He can pass. He can rebound. He can score a little bit. But then you – and you lose D. Fox. Yeah. He's been lost. So, it's tough. You can't keep giving away – you can't keep losing your best players now. Y'all know. T.S. Cardwatch detail service. ISO tell us a story playing against Kobe Bean. ISO is Wade the third best shooting guard ever. Is Wade the third? Yeah, I put him there. MJ Cole. I put Wade in there. Wade, Clyde, Drexler. What you gonna do with Harden? Harden, yeah. Because I asked Shump and Shump took, he took Wade over Harden at three. Yeah, I'm gonna take Wade. I think Harden definitely top five, though. Okay, Ojo, I mean, we talking about two guards all the time, just even being a top five. Yeah, that's an accomplishment in itself. Yeah, yeah. Ain't nobody going to do one in two spots. They sold up. Ain't nobody going to ever get those, Ojo. It's a wrap. Cupcake Mama, here you go. Hey, guys, follow up from a few shows ago. I'm looking good. I'm looking for good company conversation and someone to fish with. There you go. Hey, Uncle Fisherman, too, boy. Hey. As long as you got the gate. I'm sure guys out there, they looking to go fishing, too, Cupcake. I'm sure they're looking for fishing, too. But, look, you got to be clear what your intentions are. I mean, it's just hard for me to see a scenario, Cupcake Mama, that you got out of a relationship, and I think you was in a 10, 15-year marriage, excuse me, not a relationship, a marriage, and you're looking to get right back into one of those? No, don't do that. Don't do that, come can. And I get it. I get it. You don't want to be, you know, people thinking that, you know, because, you know, I know how people are. I know how people are. I went, ooh, she this and she that, and put thoughts in your head. But I would just take it slow. I would just take it slow. Enjoy yourself. Hey man, some people think the best way to move on is to replace. Oh Joe they say the quickest way to get over one woman is have another one get up under you A bunch a bunch Is that what they say Joe Hey Hey Hey Most of the time If you a good mechanic Joe what you do You slide up under one car, and sooner you fix it, you slide up under another one. Hey, hey, matter of fact, hey, you know what I just thought about Uncle Joe in chat? Speaking of mechanics, hey, Joe, I know you know this, Joe. If you don't know this, boy, Joe, I'm gonna make fun of you. Okay. How do you know a mechanic has a girlfriend, Joe? Hey, how do you know if a mechanic has a girlfriend? How do you know if a mechanic has a girlfriend? Yeah. Something rich, a mechanic got a girlfriend. Spare parts? Yeah. Nope, you wrong, Unc. You got one, Joe, what you got? Uh, by looking under a hood. Nope. Y'all can see me? Yes. Yeah. He'll keep these two fingers clean. Okay, take your time. You got more time than you think. I just don't want you to rush into anything, but you got to realize guys are looking at you like, well, damn, you just got a relationship and you want to get right back into another one. And there might be some guys out there that's looking for that. But I just think, you know, just take your time. You got time. Enjoy it. Enjoy it. You know, go out. We ain't saying you got to, you know, sleep with every guy that you go to the movie to go grab a bite to eat with, but enjoy yourself. You have to know somebody. Some people have a hard time being lonely though. They don't like being by themselves. Yeah. Being lonely or being alone. Because you can be with somebody and still be alone. You can be with somebody and still be lonely. Yeah. I think sometimes people confuse the two. I got me somebody. Okay, yeah. You in a relationship, but he not. She's in a relationship, but you not. Hey. But that's never mind. Let's move on. Nate underscore burner. Hey, why you ain't shout out your alma mater baseball team? I heard Savannah State upset the Division II number one team in the country. Well done. I didn't know. But, you know, we normally have a nice little stick in baseball. We used to be really, really good in baseball. but congratulations Tigers if that's the case I didn't know but if you did congratulations that's what we do Swole underscore nerd was hell when he was well once upon a time once upon a time boy you know 57 58 ain't nothing good for Unk Most 21 Music What's up, Ocho and Iso? Now Tim Hardaway says, Penny, Grant, Hill, better than LeBron in their primes. Your thoughts? I guess it's open season to hate LeBron. Look, if you want to be on a podcast, if you want to trend, that's what the thing is. Ain't nobody, nobody. Maybe Grant Hill, if he had stayed healthy and stayed on the trajectory that he was on, if Penny stays healthy and stays on the trajectory that he's on but to say come on now we gotta stop this but I get it, you want a trend you want to have something to say say, you know what, Grant Hill was really? Really? Penny and Penny was phenomenal but injuries robbed him of what they could have been Grant was phenomenal but injuries robbed him of what he could have been so in his prime, do you realize first of all, nobody's had a prime longer than LeBron. LeBron had a prime for 21 years, for 22 years, basically. Yeah. So let's just say for the sake of argument, we're going to say from 2007 to 2020. So for 14 years, man, stop it. Nobody come close. Stop it. So now we don't win from Jordan. Okay, even if I believe LeBron is the GOAT, I can see you say, you know what, Jordan's prime was higher than his. Let's just say for the sake of argument, if you want to say Kobe stretch, but we're going to say Grant Hill, and Grant was phenomenal. Penny. But really, you're talking about, Lord have mercy. They're just trying to get you. They're just trying to get clicks of light, Ocho. because if you notice if you want to trend it seems to be over the last three, four, five months it's been like this if you want to trend say something about Bron and I'm not saying Joe, I'm old enough to remember all the guys Tim Hardaway senior got to the league yeah Yeah. That's the luxury. See, that's the best part about being a little older. Because, see, they can't run no bull job on you. But to say that, come on now. Even if you are, say, you know what? I'm not a LeBron fan. Y'all know this man's apex. Come on now. Come on now. Hey, they say that to get you boiling. They do. They know what gets you boiling. If you want to say, like I said, you say Jordan, you say Kobe, I'm like, all right. If y'all want to say his prime, his peak prime was better than LeBron, I think LeBron's a better player. I do. But if you want to say that, but y'all just arbitrarily throwing guys out there. I mean, at least guys that won Super Bowl, I mean, excuse me, won MVPs and finals MVPs and all NBA selections and the offense and all NBA defensive teams, all NBA. Okay, okay. Come on now. We got to stop this movie since then. T.S. Carwise details. Thoughts on Lou Holt's passing. Never had a chance to meet him. I know who he is. If I'm not mistaken, he was the Jets head coach in the 70s, Ocho. Lou Holt? Yeah. It was short-lived. Yeah, I didn't know that. I think he was in Arkansas too, Joe. Yeah. But he's known for – y'all know what he's known for. Notre Dame. Notre Dame. Notre Dame. And they ain't won one since, had it? Nope. 88. Who was the quarterback? I think Tony Rice was. Tony Rice, yeah. Because Tony played with me. He played with me in the East West Shrine game. and they had Ned Bolcar and Stonebreaker were the linebackers that I played at the East West Shrine game with Ned Bolcar. It's Maddox. King Iso, can you take it easy on Ocho when he drops the donut and the one on one, please? I got one for y'all, fellas. Start, bench, drop, NFL and NBA. Randy, Jerry, T.O., JT, JB, Ant-Man. You got the receivers, Joe, Ocho. Randy, Jerry, and T.O. You got to start one. You got to bench one. You got to drop one. I'm going T.O., Randy, Jerry. Hold on. So you dropping Jerry? Yeah. I'm going T.O. Randy Jerry. Okay. All right, Joe. You got JT, JB, Ant-Man. Start, bitch, drop. I'm going Ant-Man, JB, JT, Achilles. I got that. Gotta drop him, huh? Gotta drop him. That's a no-brainer for me. the reformed pagan talking great players. The Niners have profited from height and old, but superior talent who won with Shani, uh, while not investing in talent, please tell the nine empire has our window closed in 27. Nope. No, hell nah. I mean, you got to think about it. You lost your two best defensive players for the blind share of the year, uh, for the year, excuse me, uh, Bosa and Warner. Purdy was out, even though he played well. Kittle was in and out of the lineup. The receiver that you're counting on, Brandon Ayuk, he was in the lineup. Pearsall missed time. Hold on, so y'all think when those dudes get healthy that the Niners gonna be back in the running? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. With that coach? Yep. Yeah, Shanahan don't play, boy. I agree. Terrence G, what's up, guys? Wins the NBA edition. Start bench trade. Sean Kemp, Antonio McDyess, Sharif Abdur Rahim. Ooh. Ooh. Hey, Sharif was nice, boy. Yeah. He from the Creole. But, boy, you know who was nice, but people don't remember? McDyess. Bad McDyess was. McDyess. McDyess was an animal. I was in there when he got there. I played with McDyess. I played with McDyess in Phoenix now. He wasn't nothing like how he was in Denver. No, he had that knee injury, Joe. But you talking about jump out the gym? Oh my God. Woo hoo hoo hoo. And 6'9", 6'10". You talking about jump out the gym like young Blake Griffin? Yes, man. Like that kind of jump out the gym? That boy could go, he could go sit on the rim, old Joe. Yes. And cut up too. Alabama used to have some players. People don't realize Alabama's down players. Robert Orr, Sprewell, McNice. Hey, Spre went down? Spre went to Alabama? Yeah. Yeah. Before him, they had Bobby Lee Hurt, Enos Watley. They used to have a squad down in Bama. I mean, you know, everybody know they're known for football. They've always had, since Coach Bryant, they've always had football players. But their basketball team used to be nice. Yeah, they keep some athletes over there now. JJ Carver 80, Skip Madison, Shannon Sharp reunion will get views kind of like Shaq and Kobe reunion. I don't think the gambling partners match up. So, I mean, I wouldn't have a problem with a reunion. I don't have a problem with Skip. What has happened has happened. I've moved on. I'm sure he's moved on. But I think we tried to put something together, but it's kind of hard when they have a gambling partner, we have a gambling partner. Oh, yeah. Dre Phillip, how did you manage to steal Ash away from Fox? And shout out to my brother, Adrian, back home. He watches and loves the show. It wasn't that hard. I think she was ready to go. I just told her, I mean, you know, from the very first time that I said if I ever got a show, I was going to take her because I saw how hard she worked. And I know that I know what she was capable of doing, but sometimes people don't give you the opportunity. Remember I said sometimes you need an opportunity. They weren't going to give you the opportunity. She knew that. It wasn't, you know, and after, you know, after I made an offer, they's like, okay, we'll do all this. She's like, well, y'all doing this now because y'all don't want me to go with him. But, you know, I didn't know what the hell I was going to do. I didn't have nothing. And I was like, hey, so I was just paying it out of my pocket. until I find something to do because that's how much I believed in her. I know how hard she worked. She made sure I was prepared every show. And even there's some things that we didn't talk about in our meetings or the night before, she would always have it on the card. I think this will be a great point here to counter. So it was a no-brainer for me. It was a no-brainer for me. And I'm glad she came. Sometimes she does get on my nerves, though. also some 82 i'm sorry but unless arizona fix their old line any quarterback will have a hard time playing well we agree pappy ray 94 45 what's up king iso the game that you had 10 three-pointers made did you feel uh did you have a feeling pre-game that you're gonna get hot from three no i didn't i didn't have a feeling i'm gonna tell y'all something i initially wasn't even going to play in that game. It was against Philly. I remember it like it was yesterday. My lady at the time, she was in the hospital getting ready to give birth to my daughter. I was in the hospital with her. She didn't want me to go play. She wanted me to stay there with her. I'm like, man, let me go play in the game, man. She ended up letting me go play in the game, bro. I was just hot that night. I left the game, went right back to the hospital. She's looking at me like, really? You go out there and play? The craze is here. They should let the GOAT of my generation, Miley Cyrus, do the halftime show. Don't joke. Yeah, I mean, Miley cool. Miley got a good following, huh? Got, you know, she's been a little controversial over the years, but you know, she's not, you know, I mean, she's still hot now. She's still hot. Huge following. All right, Em, what's up? Love the show, but y'all need to start introducing ISO as the reigning, defending nightcap champ to put some respect on the nightcap. That ain't happening. He already getting... Chill. Fellas, fellas, fellas, fellas. Y'all just relax. Man, the people, they voicing their opinions on what they think should happen, man. Just listen. Hey, sometimes people's opinions be wrong, Joe. Just hear them out. At least hear them out. I heard it. I read it out. That's all we did. I read it out. I heard it. I heard it. I heard it. It went in one ear, not the other. Various 117, what's up, Ocho King? Iso, hypothetically speaking, if the Lakers win a championship this year and Bron is finals MVP, does he get a statue? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Two championships, two finals MVPs? Absolutely. What? Rich McKinley, great show tonight. Thank you for the shout-out the other day after my surgery, praying for your surgery goes well and wishing you a speedy recovery. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Appreciate that. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. We want to thank Mr. Tendonism, Mr. Walter Johnson for joining us tonight. We greatly, greatly appreciate that. And wherever he shows up, guys, let's make sure we go support whatever he's doing. We greatly appreciate that. Please make sure y'all hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and make sure you go subscribe to the Nightcap Podcast feed wherever you get your podcasts from. Y'all know who I am. I'm your favorite. That is my partner and co-host. That is the bingo ring of fame artery, a former pro bowler and an all pro. That is Chad Ochocinco Johnson. And the third member of the big three, University of Arkansas alum, seven-time NBA all-star, University of Arkansas. Y'all know him. ISO Joe Johnson. Ochocinco, tell the chat about your new episode dropping tomorrow on the podcast, The Late Run. Hey, listen. hey chat do me a small favor when you get a chance follow the late run on instagrams follow the late run on twitter uh my soccer podcast with rahimovich my my very good friend my co-host uh tomorrow we have rick ross episode dropping tomorrow morning at nine o'clock if i'm not mistaken so uh may check it out uh we got a bunch of great episodes leading up to the world cup all things soccer related for those of you in the chat that watch and love soccer and have a passionate about it for it like I do. Even if you don't, please come and support, subscribe, and follow. And yeah, that's pretty much it. Episode with Rick Ross dropping tomorrow morning. Those looking to purchase a bottle of my Shave by LaPortier, head over to LaPortierCognac.com to grab yours if you cannot find it in a state or city near you. The best tasting premium BSOP cognac on the market. Don't take my word for it. Try it for yourself and compare it against other cognacs and you'll see Chez Balaportier is the best tasting cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. We want to thank you guys for joining us again tonight. We want to thank Mr. Walter Johnson and Mr. Tendonism himself for joining us. It was a great conversation. He was really, really fun. He really enjoyed his time on. So hopefully you guys enjoyed that. We look forward to seeing you back again tomorrow night. I'm Unk. He's Ocho. He's Iso. Peace. Peace. Thank you. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than No Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. 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