The Panarin Trade Is Going To Turn A Playoff Team Into A Champion

Welcome to the Empty Netters podcast. Can you believe what this has become? There was a full 48 hours where I felt like I was like literally Superman. Jumbo loves playing Fortnite so he does get on the sticks. Did TR show you the sauna cycle or was that already? No, I invented that. Almost a year now that I haven't taken a body check. That's kind of nice. Finished tonight with some chicken fingers and a few guinesses. Ran into you guys and that's where this podcast came to life. Ice is ready and we are back with another episode of the Empty Netters podcast brought to you by Bette MGM. I'm your host Dan Powers and over here on the sticks, he's got so many people in the DMs asking if he's single, he might need to be on The Bachelor. Sean Bafini. That'll be gas. The man behind it all. And then over here to my left, my co-host, a man who wears so many ripped and tattered clothes, he has people asking if he's homeless. Chris Powers. The derelict campaign. I almost made a derelict joke. As always, is that what I want now that I want? I can't have you. I get it. You were doing a mugatu. You sounded like Owen Wilson though. Yeah, I did. You combined two things. You were doing mugatu lines but you sounded like Owen. Oh dude, I can't help it. I get it. I get it. We got a lot to get into today, folks. We've got some hot ice. We've got some games. We've got some...your point in it, something. Sean, we went to the Kings Rangers game last night. Yeah. The most popular ticket in LA apparently, who fucking knew? Shadow Dommie, thanks for the tickets. And Alec. And some guy we were walking out and he's like, I'm De De De's boys. And we were like, oh yeah, Kings Water's a good game. Everyone's pumped up. We're going to go to the high fives. We're about to leave to the garage. He shows us a picture of...oh yeah, he showed us a picture of the fries. A menu, yeah. He showed us a picture of fries being extra even though he was sitting down. And we were like, oh, it's fucking bullshit. And then we were walking away and he was like, I love that Sean guy. He's like, where's the Irish guy? I love that guy. Everybody loves Sean, man. You are... Yeah, me too. You've stolen the hearts of many. It's really fantastic. I'm flattered. I love to see it. It was great. It's really good. I love that Sean guy. It's a really good stuff. The savagery as well to say it to both of you to be like, the one that's missing is my favorite. Which is the other guy. Yeah. I get that a lot. In hockey talk now, everyone's just so sick of seeing me. And they're like, have Sean do hockey talking? Yeah. I'm honestly not sure Sean could do hockey. No, they were playing hockey. Yeah, they were doing it. They were doing that hockey. Yeah, they were doing that hockey. I just expect pictures now. You know, someone comes up and I say, I'm like, uh-huh. And I start doing this. And then that guy was like, no Sean. And I was like, oh, no. And he's like, put Sean away. Where the fuck is Sean? Didn't realize. Didn't realize. Yeah. It's fucking incredible. It's tough. But a lot to get into. Let's get into hot ice. First topic as CP said, we were at the Kings Rangers game. The Kings get a big win. The Rangers continue to struggle to slip in the standings. And the question of Artemis Panarin keeps coming up. The bread man is gone. The bakery has moved locations. Closed up shop. The rent was too expensive in Manhattan. And the bakery is opening somewhere else. That's official. It is. 34 year old Artemis Panarin is not going to be a ranger next year. Not going to be a ranger this year. The ranger. Yeah, correct. Well, it's the same year. Yeah, yeah. Not going to be a ranger soon. New York's management has made statements that they're saying they're not going to give Artemis Panarin a new deal, which means he will be traded imminently. Around the winter classic, I said this, I think it was like the 27th, 28th of December. I was like, I feel like we're seeing the last batch of games here for Panarin. Now, I'm not patting myself on the back because... Go ahead. No, because we're talking a big batch now. It's the 21st of January. Yep. I mean, I think I looked it up like... It's called the baker's dozen. What is a batch? And it's anywhere from like four to 20. The batch is big. So technically, I'm right. But when did you say that exactly? I think I said it on the 27th of December. Because I'm curious because there's a chance that something really fun happened. There's a chance something really fun happened. You said the 27th. Yeah. Okay, so then... Oh, they did have a couple games there. I don't know if you said it before the Islanders game, but let's say you didn't. So, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven. Yeah, dude. So if... I'm in the window. And if he gets traded soon, if he gets traded after 13 and it isn't fast, the baker's dozen, then I will be thrilled. Well, see, a batch is a group or quantity of items produced or processed together in a single run with no fixed number. It can be a dozen cookies, 50 t-shirts. Yeah, so we're golden. Like, I'm fine. He can get traded in three years. But it says a recipe might make a batch of 24 cookies. So, we're going to say 24. 24 games. The last batch. If he's traded within the... In 24 games, if he's traded, then I'm correct. Yep. But it always felt clear that Panarin would be moved. Now, the question is where to? Again, 34 years old, he has an $11.6 million cap hit. So, with the new LTIR stuff, like, it's not going to be easy to make a move for Panarin. He's been an incredible player in the past and is always flirting around that 100 point mark in that 2023-24 season. He had 120 points. Since then, he's gone 89 in 80 games. And then this year, he has 56 in 50. Panarin is fantastic. Yes. 19 goals, 37 assists this year. He's over a point per game. So, clearly, this is a very, very, very talented player. The question is, where does Panarin go? Okay. So, the Rangers will... A couple of things are going to happen. He has a full known move clause. I don't know if you just said that. I did not. He... If he goes... Here are the five to six teams I will go to. I doubt it's that high. But if he goes here are the five teams I will go to. The Rangers can actually get more because they can go, oh, you want him? So do you? So do you? So do you? I got all these offers, beat each other. But if Panarin goes, I will go there because they're moving him. They're moving him. Oh, yeah. That is... I don't know how many times that needs to be stated. Our timing for Panarin is being trained. Everyone knows that this is happening. So if he goes, I will only go to that team, which is his right due to the contract. It hinders the Rangers big time because they're like, okay, what will you give us for him? They're the only team that will take him. They don't have to say that to the team, but they're just going to be no... They're going to be bluffing any like, well, beat that offer and they're going to go, no. And then if no one comes in, then you just have to take it. So they're hoping Panarin goes, I'll do you a solid. These five teams all look good. But he could certainly go this one team. Also the Rangers will be retaining 50% of his half due because... You simply have to. Dropping that down to 5.8 is a manageable number for teams. There are... I like three teams. You like another team so we can bring them all up. I'm going to start with this one, the Colorado Avalanche. There's been some rumors around there. This one isn't a need-based thing. Like this isn't like, oh man, we have a huge hole here and Panarin would fill that, which you see a lot at the deadline. This is like, we are spoiled for riches, but we could get him too. That'd be sick. And that would be sick. The ass. And you know what? You know what? I like this one. It was something I heard you say last night. You weren't even talking to me. I was dropping eaves. And it's fucked up. You were like... It's pretty fucked up. It's fucked up. That's what I'm saying. You said Panarin going somewhere where he can play third fiddle, fifth fiddle, seventh fiddle would be incredible for him. He actually had a pretty good playoff two playoffs ago. Everybody's like, he sucks in playoffs. He was point per game and it was OK. But if he goes in there with no pressure at all and the abs are a fucking crab wagoon and he's like, hey, and they're like, hey, dude, get me a couple of power play points, maybe and like be a sneak weapon on the third line. He'll go, great. That's awesome. Yeah. So that would be that would be fantastic for the abs. However, they to make the money work, it would it will cost them someone they like a lot. I saw Samuel Gerard, I saw Ross Colton get named. And that's just a question you have to ask yourself if you're Colorado. Like, do I want to go fuck lost lost Ross, who's can play wing, who can play center, who everybody loves and Kitten and also popped me 20 goals. Yeah. For Panarin, does he make the difference? Does his skill, because I'm sure Ross would tell you that our Temmie Panarin is a more skillful NHL player than him. But does that skill bump make the difference between changing the culture of something that has been absolutely cooking? Like I made the joke to you the other day, I wish the Bruins in 23 did nothing because I know everyone's making moves, but I'm like, who cares? You have something incredible here. Yeah. So that's the conversation with the abs. Any thoughts on them? I love the pick. I think it's, you know, would he improve their their wings? Absolutely. I think that top line is leckin in a natus and then it's Colton and Olufsen. You got Parker Kelly, Gavin Brindley. I think Colorado is really good. Landy's out. Yeah. That's, you know, which is another reason. Yeah, fair. You know, I think it makes a ton of sense. The question I keep coming back to is the return. I think Brad Marshand is a great comp here as far as you have an older vet who is still very, very good. I think Panarin is a little more skilled than Marshand. He's two or so years younger than Marshand was last year. Marshy got a return of a conditional second, which became a first. Yeah. They went to the Stanley Cup. They did. So there you go. I think Panarin is wherever he goes, he's not getting an extension. Right. Yeah. Like Panarin's going to go to UFA and he might sign with the team he's traded to, he might not. But I do think that this is a Marshand situation where Panarin's not going anywhere. He has the no move. More of a no move than Brad did. Yeah. And he is going to use it. Oh, I see. You mean not going anywhere. He's going where he wants. Yes. Yeah. Like I think he's going where he chooses, frankly. So the return is one of those things where, you know, you're not going to see these teams that are given up an arm and a leg because they're fighting for it because it's really going to be like where he chooses and the team's going to know that he's choosing them. But I think he's getting them a first round pick for sure. This is a, you know, it's our Tammy Panarin. Agree. Agree. Like this is a first round pick. And then yeah, to your point, like what do the Rangers want back? I don't think the Rangers are going to ask for a right now guy if they're smart. I think they're, they should be building up prospects. If they're able to move Panarin, if they're able or willing or want to move guys like Zabanna Jad and Trocek, they should be building for the future, in my opinion. So yeah, I do wonder if it's a Colorado and I know you've got to make the money work and that's the big thing here because what's it going to be? Five point, you know, something or a five point, five point eight, eight. If they, if they do the 50%, Colorado doesn't have that much cap space, but they currently have 4.1 million in cap space. And, you know, yeah, a Ross Colton has a $4 million cap. And then if you go down, you know, Gavin Brindley is on a rookie deal and his RFA. And there's just a lot of question marks of who you move. Yeah. Colorado is a great team. Florida is obviously a team that gets brought up all the time, but we're going to get into that. So I don't even want to bring up Florida. I keep coming back to why, I mean, I really don't get it. It feels like every team in the league needs centers. Yeah, that's the most valuable position. I know, but it's, it's funny when you think about there, there are just simply more wings on a team than there are centers, but it feels like everyone's got wings. Yeah. And every team needs centers. So you, I've heard a number of times that the Tampa Bay Lightning could use another center, but the Tampa Bay Lightning come up for me. Yeah, you like this one a lot. I think Tampa and our team in there and makes a ton of sense. Are you, so the, the, let me, let me bring up another team while we talk about this. This will help my conversation. Dallas stars have been named a lot. Yeah. Okay. So there they have the number two power play in the league right now. Panarin is great on the power play. So that could make your power play even more lethal, which we see in playoffs can make such a difference. Right. If you just, and remember like, was it the Oilers series two years ago when, and credit to the Oilers PK, but remember when Dallas like didn't score on 20 power plays or whatever. And I'm like, okay, well you lose. You're now out of class. So you add a weapon like that. That's amazing. They don't have a 2026 first to your point, but they have a first and second in 2027. Yeah. And due to the rental nature likely of Panarin, anyone going, well, I don't want Panarin. I want to resign Robo. I'm like, you still can. You, you, you make the money work for the rest of this year. Yeah. You bring in Panarin and then he goes, thank you so much. And you go, no problem. Resign Robo. Everyone's happy. Bob's your fucking uncle. Yeah. The stars and the abs we have long said are like the two best teams in the league. And you go, why would they need Panarin? I'm like, because they're going to play. They're trying to beat each other. They're trying to maximize the chances to beat each other. Is there a chance that Tampa doesn't need. Tampa is just humming along in the East. And I don't, who you scared of if you're Tampa, other than, other than Florida getting sick again. Yeah. Who you scared of if you're Tampa. No one in the Atlantic and then the, the, the no offense, but the Keynes. I'm like, yeah, the Keynes. I think the Keynes are, I mean, I don't think and feel like Tampa fans would like to puff out their chest as, as is their right. But I don't think if you're Tampa, even with your success over the last several years, you're not allowed to say that you're not afraid of people because you lost in the first round last year. I know it was to Florida, but you know, you, you're not allowed to leave. Yeah. You're not allowed to say that. Yep. So I think you should be slightly afraid of Carolina. Carolina is a good fucking team. Yep. So yeah, I don't think you're afraid. I don't think you're shaking in your boots, but I think you go there. A good team. Yep. And if you can get better, of course, get better. But I'm wondering if for the, I don't know what picks they have, but for the return, I guess we just see Tampa do that thing all the time where they add middle depth because they go, we're good, dude. I don't need Panarin to make this work. And they might be right. They were right for a couple of times. Yeah. They were right twice and they were wrong a few times after that. Yeah. But they're really interesting to me too. Okay. So then let's go to the Panthers. Okay. The Panthers power play blows, which is crazy, but it's not good. 20 second in the league. Panarin would be a big help there. They don't have a first round pick in each of the next two drafts. Yeah. So that's tricky. To me, I think that rules them out. And it rules out. New York can't afford to be like, we'll take a first round pick three years from now. Yeah. I'm like, excuse me. That's crazy. Yep. And it rules out because like you said at the top, the new rules are the salary cap continues into playoffs for all the people that were kind of confused by LTIR. That's what was happening. You could put someone in LTIR, sign someone during the regular season with that money, that freed up money, then playoff star and the cap turns off. So then you just get to reactivate that guy and you're now that guy's contract over the cap. Yeah. This year, no dice. So right now, Barkoff on LTIR, they have room to sign Panarin. Boom. Bring them over. But then when playoffs come around, you can't bring Barkoff back. So if you're like Barkoff's trending to play, then you can't. Sign Panarin. If Barkoff is done, done for this year, you could. And I personally think he's done, done. I think it's fucking insane. We're all right. You know, we're both Boston Celtics fans are not huge basketball guys, but we're Boston Celtics fans and we're kind of dealing with the same thing with Jason Tatum, who tours Achilles. And everybody's being like, Celtics are second in the east. Like let's get Tatum back. And I'm just like, I don't know if people can play this quickly after an Achilles injury. The Achilles injury is such an interesting one because we have seen such a jump in the technology of that surgery and how quickly people can come back. But there's a difference between being recovered from said surgery and being ready to play in the playoffs. That's what's even crazier. I'm like, you're going to bring him back in playoffs. If there's a mutant who could do it, Alexander Barkoff is one of them. But I'm not super sure. Was his ACL, did he ACL and I believe so? And Tatum was Achilles. Yeah. I think it was more. Oh yeah. No. Barkoff is ACL. ACL. Yeah. I think it was like ACL and MCL. Oh yeah. I think it was a ton of ligaments. But that actually, well, it's twofold. It makes you feel Achilles is worse. So it makes me feel a little bit better. But also in hockey, Achilles is just in the boot at least. So I'm like, and I don't know, whatever. But ACL and fucking Stanley Cup playoffs feels insane. So those are some teams being floated. Those are some teams I'd be interested in. If I was the bread man, where do you like a rogue one? OK. Hit me with the rogue one first. I got a rogue one for you. Anaheim Ducks. Dude, New York West. Can you imagine? Yeah. Yeah, that would be so sick. When I think about teams that have picks and prospects, teams that is New York West and a team that I think is pretty solid down the middle with Leo Carlson, who will get to Mason McTavish and Mikhail Grandland. Plenty of cases. And then you go, oh, whoa, you add Artemy Panarin. And you go, hey, you remember Chris Crider and Jacob Truba and Ryan Strono and Frank Petrano? OK. So it seems like the obvious one that's staring us in the face. But I'm like, guys, that's, you know, the Ducks are back into third in the Pacific. They're a playoff team. And that is even one, Chris, where I'm like, the Ducks could sign him or could trade for him and then also be like, hey, do you want a two-year deal? Dude, the Ducks, I'm looking at the lines, are so stacked. It's insane. I agree. I'm really looking at the lines, being like, where does he play? And I'm not saying they wouldn't find a spot for him. They, of course, would. But it's actually nuts how loaded they are. And I now love this. I now love this. I think they're picks. Not even going to be that good. Do they have their first round pick? Yes. Yeah. Like trade your pick. You're going to make playoffs. To me, man. Your picks aren't going to be that good. Trade your pick. You don't need new. You have no space for new young guys. The Ducks are, yeah, I think it's a super interesting move. And the Ducks are currently dealing with the fact that Leo, Frank, and Troy Terry are all out. I know. And I'm like, maybe you make a move for Panarin, who helps you get through this time period where those boys are hurt. And so I was going to say, of these teams, those are all interesting to me. If I'm Brad, where do you want him to go? But I now know your answer. The Ducks? Yeah. Correct. Same, dude. You just convinced me. I wanted to go to the Ducks. I wanted to go to the Ducks. And then I would be thrilled for hockey. So let's say he can't go to the Ducks. I'm going to ask for your next second best. I would be thrilled if it's ABS or STARS just for the chaos. The Central is fucking mental. And the Wild got Quinn. And I'm like, go, dude. One of you two, get him. Let's go to war. An arms race in the Central would be fun to watch. Really cool. Because Florida, Florida, you're going to get, we're going to get some Florida thing later. But Florida just doesn't, not right now. Not right now. Not right now. Yeah, I don't see it. I just don't see how they can do it. Yep. It's one of those funny things where we almost, we were kind of saying the same thing with Vegas and Rasmus Anderson. We were like, how are they going to make this deal? And they did it. And good for them. But yeah, Florida not having first run picks for this year and next. I don't see how New York could accept that. Yeah. So who's your next? Oh, yeah, you said Central too. So yeah. But Ducks, dude. Okay, Ducks. I like the Ducks. Make a move. There's also a part of me with how Lucy Goosey, the Met has been. And Pitt is just like, in there. Oh, that'd be crazy. Panarin to Pittsburgh would be really cool. I just don't see any world where the New York Rangers trade a player to the Pittsburgh Paninians. But they're so out of it that it's like maybe not. I hate when people do that. But like, it was the Marchie Florida thing. Panarin popping over there. Dude, make the old boys club. Just let them fucking run. Dude, him playing with Sid. What are you saying? That would be unbelievable. Oh, man, dude. Also, do it now, Ducks. Do it now. I looked it up, Dan. There is a freeze during the Olympics. You know, you can't make any trades. Okay. So do it now. I don't want to come back. And we're all jet lagged. And you got to figure it out. Oh, shit. I forgot to fucking trade for Panarin. I forgot to set my alarm. Do it now. Yeah. Do it now. Do it now. We just talked about the Anaheim Ducks and Leo Carlson. And we're going to get into some Swedish blues. Yep. Leo Carlson and Jonas Brodeen now likely to miss the Olympics. Farring a miracle, they said. For Team Sweden. So it looks very, very unlikely. How devastating is this for Sweden and the Olympics? It is devastating. You've lost your number one center. Yep. And you've lost, god, a player that I absolutely love in Jonas Brodeen. I, you know, you can, we talked about there were a couple of quote unquote snubs for Sweden and Ekholm was a surprise. Now you wonder, is this obviously Ekholm immediately gets popped back into the lineup. But I think this absolutely sucks. For so many reasons. Yes, it does. But I would say you went to, and you know, Macklin Celebrini is fucking lit, Liddy Matitti this year. I had nowhere. And Leo Carlson was kind of on that track. My point was going to be Leo Carlson wasn't playing on the Foreignations team last year. And you were pretty pumped about your team. You know what I'm saying? You want a Leo Carlson. I feel like Sweden would be like we underperformed in Foreignations. Oh, yes, they did. But I don't think they had to. Like I think that was a good team that could. I think they underperformed based on their ability. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think Leo Carlson was being game managed all year last year. And then this year he was unleashed and was a top five player in the league for a large stretch. Incredible. Yep. So yeah, I think everything about last year and Leo Carlson's involvement, you throw out the window because you're like he is obviously our best center on this. Oh my God, you're crushed because you lost your once. I'm just saying they still have a good team because I looked at their Osto last year at Foreignations and went without him and no, I like this. This is a good team. But again, my point, they then underperformed. So I'm like, maybe they weren't that good. They weren't good. And now you're about to be way better because Leo Carlson is your number one center. And then not so fast now you're stinking. Yeah. We'll take it easy. Well, which one is it? Damn. Watch your fucking mouth. So yeah, they are just fucking gold and world junior. All right. Oh, true. So fucking roll out. They should call those guys up. I agree. Dude, bring them up now. Bring up, bring that whole team. Get him in. What if you brought that whole team to Olympics? Hey, you go full 1980 miracle season and you go, we're not playing the pros. We're playing these boys. They might, Canada might win nine. Not this one. Could you imagine that story? It would be the most insane moment in hockey history. We got to do that, dude. Someone should. That should be the rule. If you win world juniors, that team has to go to Olympics that year. So it's actually an Olympic year. It feels like a weird punishment. It's a curse to win world junior because you're like, fuck. Now these boys are going to Olympics. Obviously that's a huge blow for Sweden. It's, I hate it, but they've got great players that they can pull up, bring in, put on that roster. How devastating is it for the players? I think that's my big one. We talked about Barkov's injury and the first thing you and I both said was, fuck, he's going to miss Olympics. I wasn't even thinking about the Panther season because the Panthers were so stacked. And you're like, oh my God, they'll figure it out. Immediately I was like, God damn it. He misses Olympics now. We don't get to watch Alexander Barkov in the Olympics. We've bitched and moaned so many times how we've been waiting 12 years to get NHL players back in the Olympics. Because we want to see the best players in the league playing for their nation. And we lost Barkov and now I'm fucking pissed. Obviously I have massive ties to Sweden and I'm rooting for Sweden in a lot of ways when they're not playing the US. And to not be able to see Leo Carlson in this Olympics, I'm like, fuck that, that I have to wait four years to see him play. And for Jonas, this is probably his last one. No dude, that one sucks worse for me. And it's like, it's so crushing, man. I hate it. 32, yeah. Yeah, it's one of those where you're like, God, we should do this more often. I know. Because it really sucks and makes you kind of appreciate how special that it actually is. Because with what I hope happens with more foreign nations and more international stuff, this will feel less, we never get to see these guys. But it is cool that the Olympics is a thing and you don't get a lot of cracks. Yeah. So yeah, that's a blow. I think if you're named to an Olympic roster and then you get hurt and you're replaced, I think you should be on the team's roster. So if you medal, you get a medal. I think I think it should be at like an injured reserve in the Olympics. That's really cool. I like that a lot. And I'm not, you don't even have to rule. You don't even have to travel because I was just thinking, I was like, they should still get to go. They're on the team. And you and you, if you got named to the team, yes, first place. And then you get hurt, you should be put on IR for the Olympic team. And in that, they go, you cannot play. Like you've been put on IR, but you are on this roster. So we're going to, you're going to get a medal if we medal. You're a part of this team. You're going to be on the group chat. Yep. And you can go if you want. But you know, if you're rehabbing, you're like, I'd rather stay home and rehab. That's fine. Yep. But I think that they should be on the team. So you think that Combs going in? I would guess. And then forward. I have no, I don't, I can't off the top of my head. So the big snubs that came out right away were William Eklund, who's having a great run, and Mojo, but they're both wings. So I don't know. But then, Mikael Backland play center. So it's got to be Backland probably. For the position, maybe, but I don't know. I can't remember if they have an, like, you know how you got named an extra four. And I can't remember if they have another center on the roster. In which case, I would go Mojo. I'm Mojo's playing. Get them in, especially because I'm like, but that's what I was saying. Like, those are great fucking players. Like they're, that's what I mean. So obviously Sweden is devastated. So here's my other take, Dan. There are, there are two devastations and two elations. Team Sweden devastated. The two players devastated. Ducks fans, wild fans elated. If I'm them, if I'm a Ducks fan, I could not be happier that Leo Carlson isn't limping to the Olympics with a knock. Just trying to be like, I can play. I can play. I was going to say he's so young that I'm kind of like, dude, he's fine. Don't matter. He would be, but just don't matter, dude. Stay buddy. Get home. Get rest. This is what a break this is about to be for you. Yeah. Two weeks off. We are trying to make playoffs. Minnesota Wild, you are in the arms race battle of your life. The Wild are definitely. Because Brodeans had injury troubles in the past. Dude, stay at home. Kick the shoes off. I'm telling you, it sucks for the players, but if I was a fan of either of those teams, I'd be like, yes. So good. So true. So, so good. One quick hitter Olympic thing that just was announced. Seth Jones, after the Olympic rosters were named, then plays in the winter classic against the Rangers. And people were talking about the Adam Fox snubbing and that was hilarious. And then that they injure Seth Jones. It was they took him out. They took him out. They took him out. Took him out of the cruise missile strike. So Seth Jones is now out and Jackson Lacombe has been named in. I, not to pat myself on the back. And you were obviously swirling around this too. Yeah. But when we picked our rosters, I picked him. He was named, I picked him over Seth. And obviously I was wrong. They took Seth. But it was cool to see how presumably how close he was. Right. Like I think when you don't make it, because it was a lot, I mean, there's so much talent in that defensive pool for the U.S. When he doesn't make it, you think, well, he was probably a few guys away, a few guys out. And with this decision, it feels more like, no, that was, he was in the convo big, big, big time down stretch. And I think I love the pick. I love the pick because there's guys that do, and we don't have to have this whole conversation again, but there are guys that are quick puck moving guys and they're bigger body guys that can control the game and fucking eat minutes, which is what he's been doing in Anaheim all year. We talked to Crieder. He said, people don't understand how good this kid is. I am pumped. I am pumped about this. I mean, me too. I mean, we don't need to go into it deep. I, I absolutely love Jackson Lacombe. I've been saying this for years. I know you have too, like you just said. But like, yeah, I mean, dude, six goals, 25 assists, 31 points in 49 games as a defenseman. And I, I mean, like that, that is, it's, this is one of those things where I feel like a lot of people go, how do you not take Lane Hudson? Lane Hudson has 52 fucking points in 50 games. And I'm like, I get it. But I need people to understand that Jackson Lacombe is no slouch. Is 52 more than 31? Yes, literally it is. But don't forget that Jackson Lacombe is 62 and is incredible defensively. Has to defend McDavid and McKinnon and Crosby and Marner and Stahl. Like it's going to be hell. But I do always want to bring up in these situations, like, because I know that Lane Hudson himself, I know that Lane Hudson fans. I know that Lane Hudson's dad is probably making a stink about this. But yeah, Jackson Lacombe is fantastic and is a significant two way defenseman. There are reasons for these picks, but pump for Jackson. That's amazing. Last but not the hot ice. This was an interesting take that came up. We've talked a lot about injuries here. We've talked a lot about contenders here, trade targets here, Sasha Barkov and the Florida Panthers have come up. We were talking to a former NHL-er yesterday. Not to say who because we're going to talk to him. See if he wants this take of his out there. But he made a great point about the Florida Panthers. I've been saying for months now, we both said at the beginning of the year, all the Panthers need to do is manage. Yeah, all they need to do this season is manage. Don't get too far out of the race. Currently, they are with two games in hand on Boston. They are five points back from a playoff spot. So that's not nothing. Yeah, as we've said before, it's like, all right, you guys, like, you got to, you got to win games here. But like, in my opinion, like we said, they're fine. Four game sample size, if they go for, if they win four straight, like they are right back in there in the playoff race. Kachuk is back in the lineup now. Great, this great that blah, blah, blah. This former NHL-er said to us yesterday, if Alexander Barkov is out, like if they're talking to team doctors, if they're talking to him, which I believe, and they're like, you are not playing this year, this guy said the Florida Panthers should tank and miss playoffs because without Barkov, they can't win the cup. They can make a run, they can get a couple rounds, whatever, but it'll be too much to win the cup without that caliber player. Yep. I think, and we'll, and let's keep going. The take is because some time off for these players, given that they are all under contract on this team would be very, very, very beneficial to this Florida Panthers roster and how much hockey that they have played. And to the point that you would go, because that's usually the fear. Well, you know, we're never going to get this group again. Like where are we going to, you know, we're going to lose some guys. Yeah. Wrong. You're losing nobody. And the point would be literally the second they are, the second the regular season ends and they are out, hammer the future next year for the Panthers to win the cup. Yeah. Because it's the same team and that couldn't win the cup, but they'll just be rested and back and ready and pissed that they got robbed of a three-peat because of injuries. Yes. I love the take. I personally believe Barkoff is not coming back. I personally believe he should not come back just due to grit fear. Like, I mean, how old is he, Dan? Barkoff is only 30. That's what I'm saying. Like you have plenty of incredible Barkoff. I'm like, don't you're under contract until 2030. I'm like, please don't like, don't rush. Alexander Barkoff's knee. So I believe he will not come back. I believe he should not come back. And I agree. And this one's tricky because I don't want to piss off the Panthers because I love all those boys and they are capable of anything. But I think I agree. The team as currently constructed can't win the cup without him only because I'm honestly think they could maybe win the East. But keep in mind, think about what he does to coach. You know how all people are like, every time I stroke off, coach, they go, oh, zero points against Barkoff in 15 games. You know, if you run into a Tampa or a God willing, a Aves or Wild or stars down the line, that one is a tough swing for me without a dude who is capable of what he's capable of, what he's done to McDavid, what he's done to Kutcher. Yeah. No, I think it's a very fascinating to give people some context. This Florida Panthers group, here are players who are UFA or RFA. Next year, AJ Greer, Cole Schwint, Thomas Nosik, Luke Kunin, and Samoskevic, Samoskevic RFA. Then you've got Tobias Bjornfoot and Donovan Sobrango, RFA's guys that you probably don't know of because they're younger guys who are jumping up into another lineup. And Jeff Petri is UFA as well. Then the big ones are both Goleys, Bob and Tarasoff. So no disrespect to any of those players. Very, very valuable players that have been listed there are Bob and that's it. Samoskevic is obviously a guy that you're bringing back, but he's RFA. You will bring him back. And again, AJ Greer, Schwint, Nosik, Kunin, those guys play massive. Yeah, huge. But they would be the first to tell you, yeah, we're fourth line guys. We're grinders and they might come back on this exact same deal or whatever. Everything you just said is like, yeah, man, this team is young. The one for me is Bob. Bob is 37 years old. Yeah. Can't be wasting Bob years. Now, Bob's $10 million is coming off the books. He's getting cheaper. Dude, I wouldn't be shocked if Bob was like, I'll sign a year, a one year deal for $2 million. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, it's incredible. Everyone's taken less. Bob looks amazing still. I wouldn't be shocked if Bob could play till he's 40. I mean, would you, would you, if you subscribe to this, if you're the Panthers, and you go, Barkoff's out, we're going to miss playoffs. We want to miss playoffs. Yeah. Would you go, Bob, stop playing right now. We're going to say you're hurt. And literally just take the rest of the year off. And maybe we're going to sign you again. Depending on what Bob wants. If Bob's like, I could use that rest. Yeah. I'm like, bro, literally go to, go to, go to Cancun. Yeah. We good, bro. I, it's, it's super interesting, man. And, and I know that these players are like, are you fucking crazy? Like, no, we're trying to win a cup this year. And I'm like, of course. So let me be very fucking clear. Yeah. I don't think the players want to do this at all. In fact, I know they do. They want creepy. They want more than anything. But I am, I, I am saying it was an interesting take. Yeah. Because Alexander Barkov is so fucking important, man. I mean, there were Oilers fans last year who were trying to shit on him being like, Barkov hasn't done anything. And I'm like, you guys have no idea what he's doing. Do you not, honestly, do you not realize or see what he is doing to Leon and Connor? Like it's, it's, it's obvious how good he is. So winning a cup without Alexander Barkov is such an impossibly tall task. The Panthers want to win a cup more than anything, but if they were to miss playoffs, I promise you in hindsight after they would go, that actually was nice. They don't want that. But I promise you if it happened, they would all go, well, silver lining is this is kind of nice. Thinking about this group not having to play through a playoff and having a full summer and then coming back next year, everyone is truly fresh as lettuce for the first time in four years. Yep. That would be terrifying if I'm in the East. I'm like, oh my God, this team, it's frankly, it's like Colorado this year. Yeah. That's what it would feel. And that win 80 games. So it's very, very interesting. So just something to think about. Insane. Let's take an ad break and we'll come back. The NHL season is cooking. We're almost at Olympics. There's hockey coming out my ears and I need you to get involved with some of this action because that MGM has the hat trick jackpot. It is my favorite promotion that they run. It gives you your chance to win your share of 10 Gs in bonus bets. What you do is you log into your bet MGM account and you place an anytime goal scorer wager. If that player scores, cut, you just won your bet. And that is amazing. 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It was utterly disgraceful. Megapalais, 13 game recap. Sabres no, flyers no, isles no. Mammoth yes, Habs yes. Devils no, Professor Feeney. Turns out they would not do. It was a bold prediction. That was the one that I audibly, audibly reacted to and was like, what the fuck are you doing, Sean? What are you doing? They were not right. Professor Feeney was a bit out of his mind on that one. Ben? Penns no, caps no, Jets no. Jesus Christ. Delicious finish. Then Bruins yes, Oilers yes, Knights yes, Ducklings yes. Six, seven, gentlemen, six, seven. I swear every time there are 13 games we go six, seven. I think it's only the second time we have. Six, seven, gentlemen. I think this is only the second time we've been under 500. That's possibly true. Which is good, but not great. Actually I said this the other day, makes me wonder why we don't just bet $20 on everything. No, no, no, speed. If we would be in the black. We'd be up $80, not living on a beach. That's true. We're trying to live on a beach. Life on the line, Parley, recap. We said get your act together. You and you bamboozled us. I bamboozled us, but really did I bamboozle us or did the Islanders bamboozle me by losing to the fucking flames. Jesus fucking Christ. It was not great. Oilers yes, Isles no, Habs yes, Caines yes, who of course beat the Devils, Professor Meanie of course, beat the Devils. Three and one, we were right there though. We were right there. I feel quite nicely about the incoming life on the line. And what I also feel quite nicely about is the Friday Fade. Yet again, the Friday Fade caches its check and the unlikely, unlikely victory that we've somehow got was the Blues over the top of the Bay lightning, going for a record, record 10, what was it, 10 straight wins? They had 11 straight wins. 12 straight wins. Record of 12, off. Blues money line, check please. Thank you, unbelievable Fade work. Sitting on Friday night and looking at the Blues, beating the lightning, ending their streak and knowing it was the Friday. With so many people came into our messages saying, what the fuck are you doing cursing our team? And I said, well, it's the Friday Fade. It's the Fade. So I'm sorry. It was not the typical empty net as mush. It was simply the Friday Fade. Gynormous Friday Fade slate this week, ginormous. So many games. Here's what we're looking at. Knights at Leafs, Bolts at Hawks, Blues at Stars, Flyers at Avs, Caps at Flames, Devils at Canucks, Rags at Sharks, Ducklings at Kraken. Daniel, there are a few interesting games to me, but there are ones that people are going to say are Fade, but aren't. Like the Devils at Canucks are too terrible. I don't think we can call them Fade. The Fade is about a team that you know must win. You must, the team has to win. So you have to take the other side. The Blues at Stars is interesting, but the Blues are up against a double up, and the Fade has never faced a double up. So I don't know how that works, to be honest with you. The Stars have been terrible. So terrible. The Flyers. The Flyers. Excuse me, the Stars are not terrible. They have been. They have been terrible. I think there is one clear, unfortunately, there is a clear choice that feels as though it cannot. The Fade, it will die. It's doomed. The Fade is doomed. The Fade is doomed. I, frankly, the Sharks have been so good, and the Rangers are so terrible. They're so shit that it could be left. I feel that that could arguably be a Fade. Rangers on a West Coast road trip. In Dead Last Place. They're in Dead Last Place. The Sharks are in third place in the Pacific, I believe. No, the Ducks are, but the Sharks are. Right there. They're on the playoff spot. Absolutely brilliant. I think that could be a Fade, but I fear that people will call us cowards for not fading the cover of avalanche. At home. At home. I can't just say Philadelphia Flyers. They'll never have your flyers. The Villainery Flyers have lost nearly a thousand games in a row, it appears. I, and they now head to the mountains to face the Colorado avalanche who quite literally have lost once at home. I just, it feels, I mean, but Daniel, it would spit in the face of the Fade itself to not fade the flyers because they could literally never win at Colorado. They cannot do it. Aren't we, aren't we fading the avalanche? Well, yes, we would fade the avalanche, but we would select with the Fade of the Flyers. I, I feel as though we have no choice. As, as delicious, I'd like to, can I, may I? Sprinkle. A fade. Just sprinkle a caveat fade on Rex. The Rangers beating the Sharks, but the official Friday Fade will indeed be the Philadelphia Flyers taking down the Colorado avalanche at home. And that's that. And that's that because respect the Fade. And if I may, I might wager that it's in extra time. Interesting. If I may. An overtime victory. If I may. An overtime victory for the Philadelphia Flyers. I love it. That brings us to the Saturday Selly. Now, we had selected Leon Drysidle. I, he left the team. I have, I have an addendum on this. Okay. Well, the, the, the news was that Drysidle left the team for personal reasons. Day of the game, we tweeted out that the bet had been changed because we cannot have a Saturday Selly who is not in attendance. So the bet had been changed to Connor McDavid because we were staying in the same game. Then the Oilers absolutely ragdolled the Canucks. Six nothing, yet McDavid did not score, which feels impossibly. I was not consulted on that switch. So therefore the Saturday Selly of last week is a wash. Is a wash. Well, our selection had to leave the team due to personal reasons. Therefore the, the bet was canceled. It was a push. A push. I love a push. I was a push. So this Saturday, Daniel, this Saturday, some of that I've had my eye on, David Parsonock playing at home. You know, I love a home Selly. Against the Habs, he has 20 goals in 34 career games against the Habs. He seems to always play well. It's a rivalry game. They get fired up. Let me stop you there, sir. Certainly. Done. Done. Bang. I feel as though David Parsonock is due. He looks primed for a goal. He loves a game against the Habs. It's going to be an absolutely amazing tilt. Atmosphere through the roof. I believe that is a booking and a half. David Parsonock, any time goal scorer, Saturday Selly against the Habs on Saturday. Incredible. Now the Sunday hat trick parlay. Now last week, we had the Wings Money Line, a Debrinket point, and the Under 6.5. Well, the Wings won, gentlemen. Debrinket had a goal and an assist. The game winner is shocked. Absolutely shocked. The Wings did win 4-3. What does 4 plus 3 equal? Professor Feeney. You're asking me to do math? Yes, yes, sir. You have a PhD, good man. Jesus Christ. I am the producer of a hockey podcast. All right. What do you ask? What does 4 plus 3 equal? Let me just do some... Carry the one. Carry the one. 7. 7. And Daniel is 7 greater than or less than 6.5. It is unfortunately greater than and... Bollocks. We are dead. Bollocks. Two legs again. And if two legs was medicine, we'd be Mary fucking Poppins. And Daniel, the Sunday slate. Avs at Leafs. Devils at Kraken. Knights at Sends. Pens at Canucks. Panthers at Hawks. Ducklings at Flames. I love Vegas Moneyline. Jack, Eichel, Pointe, and Yousir can select the under or the over. Knights at Sends, we will... The Sends burned us on the over. Last week, they shunt. Do it again under 6.5. Under 6.5. Leg number one. Vegas Moneyline. Leg number two. Did you say Jack? Jack, Eichel, Pointe. Jack, Pointe. Leg number three. Under 6.5. Brilliant. Yes, sir. We should get back on track now. I have good news, gentlemen. Only nine games on the Saturday slate. On the Live on the Beach, there's only nine. Which means the beach is less nice, but we could do it. This feels gettable. Professor Feeney, start us off. Sabres at Isles, Professor Feeney. I don't feel good about either. I'll go with Isles. Yes, yes, yes. Daniel, Mammoth at Prez. She'll take the Woolly Mammoth. Christopher, Habs at Bruins. Bean Town, Dirty Water. Yes, sir. Boston Bruins. Professor Feeney, Canes at Sends. I'll have to take Canes. Yes, not again, Feeney. Well done, sir. Not again. Do it twice in a row. Daniel, Bolts at Jackets. I will take the Bolts. Yes, sir. Christopher, Wings at Jets. Give me the Wings. Jets have been great, but give me the Wings. I feel it in the air. I love it. Daniel, excuse me, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney, Feeney. Kings at Blues. I'll take Kings. Yes, yes. Daniel Panthers at Wild would a game. What's a game? I think the Wild will get their acts together. Even though the Panthers need Wings. I like the Wild. I like the Wild. Caps at Oilers, Christopher. I want the Caps. I do want the Caps in this one. I want the Caps in this one. Live on a beach, Parley. Iles, Mammoth feel terrible about that. I don't like the way that went at all. Listen to this. I feel better about this than I did last week. Okay, all right. Iles, Mammoth, Bruins, Canes, Bolts, Wings, Kings, Wild, Caps. Take the opposite of everything. That's what Daniel's saying. No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. But I don't feel good. All right, life on the line, Parley. Christopher, take us away. Do you alternate or just go? Just go. What did we do last time? We alternated. No, I think we should do that again. Okay, but I shall go first. Yeah. Because you went first. Last time, I shall go first this time. Leg number one of the life on the line, Parley. Here we go, Christopher. The Tampa Point streak has given them a jolt. Cooch can score and he can pass. Surely Columbus will be struck by a bolt, like they've got a rod coming out of their ass. Tampa, body line, leg one. Oh, fucking hell. Next game. Long time foes and as the saying goes, you should never bet with emotion. With the habs and bees, you can guarantee bad blood runs as deep as the ocean. With young studs in net and the stage all set, a matchup we look forward to the most. Lane will get his cookies, but call your bookie because the win will go to the hosts. Boston Moneyline. And throw in a pasta goal. Oh, leg three. I have leg three. Yes, yes, yes. Leg three. You're up. Leg three. You fucking twat. Leg number three, the mammoth are ready for wild card war. And lately they've been enjoying good fortune. They've already beaten the Preds once before, but once not enough for a Mormon. The mammoth money line. That leg. Fucking cheer. Fucking Christ. One's not enough for a Mormon. Powerful, terrible. Our fourth leg. Sorry. 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I'm hoping this isn't dramatic. What is the smallest Venmo that you two could receive and then maintain a friendship with one person? I actually, I was like concerned that I was going to be like, you're being ridiculous. I couldn't be more on your side here. This topic is so intense for me. Wait, which side of it were you on? Were you the one requesting or the one being requested? I was being requested. Oh, thank God. Okay. Thank God. Thank God. Yeah, I was, I was snapping off pennies, dude. Okay. And I have some caveats here, but I just want to know baseline. I'm going to go on a journey here as well. When Venmo first came out and everyone started getting Venmo and the term, I'll Venmo you or Venmo me became just common lexicon in conversation, I was so offended. I hated it. I thought people who were doing that and used Venmo were cheapskates and penny pinchers and it was driving me nuts. Yeah. I have come around to thinking that Venmo is an incredibly convenient and good tool. I'm glad we have Venmo. Not as good as cash. Wait, are we still sponsored by cash app? Nope. Okay. Yeah, then it's better than cash app. It's way better than cash app. Thank. Yeah, it's a very convenient and good tool. I'm glad we have it. I do still think the existence of Venmo in the right circles has led to bad things because I, with my good friends who I see all the time, I believe in the you get me, I'll get you. Leave a penny take. Yes. And I think it's a bummer that I can't even, if we're at the pub and I go, I'll get this round. I don't like it when my close, close friends go, I'll Venmo you because I'm like, no, it's fine. I got this one. I like doing that for my friends. It's the same as, you know, during Christmas you exchange gifts with your family. Now the net cost is probably the same because everybody's buying gifts for everybody else, but you still feel good because you've given a gift. Yes. So if you're buying a drink for somebody, it's like, I still feel good because I know you're going to get one in the future, but it's like, I get to gift this to you now. I just, Sean's the goat. I, the amount of fucking times that this guy comes through with the, we stoked. Is it, is it come from Ireland? Where does it come from? The person, the perfect analogy. It's just that is exactly what it is. It's gift exchanging. Yeah. And it bums me out because here's what's happened. I'm not going to name any names. But I have good friends who every time they get around, I wake up the next morning or that night and I see a Venmo from them and now I'm like, I'm not buying you rounds anymore. Yeah. Because you're always Venmo and me. And the thing is like, I have friends, I have friends who are the, I get this one, you get the next one. And I have friends who are the Venmo and we'll figure it out. What's hard is when there's a group setting, it always dissolves to the Venmo and figure it out because nobody wants to be, well, I'll get this one knowing that they're not going to get the next one. And it's like, it kind of leaves everyone with a sour taste in their mouth. So it's kind of thing where it's like, if there's just one Venmo person in the whole group, everyone has to be a Venmo person. Yeah. All right. You made me a Venmo person. It's tough. So I went like this. I was on a similar arc with Dan where I thought, and I just mean any, the ease of transferring funds, the rise of that, Venmo, Zell or whatever you want. I hated it at first because I was such a leave a penny, take a penny guy with my friends. Then I was like, actually, this is genius and has saved the world because now you can just pay, simply pay for what you got. Like everyone's good. I will also add real quick though, because I am definitely this, but you are even worse than me. You and I are both in massive debt as far as the friend take a penny, leave a penny. Yeah. I leave a lot of them. I know for sure in my adult life, I am picking up more tabs and buying, ordering for a big group and then I just never get tapped back. I'm definitely in debt. You are insignificant. So for that reason, you should be like Venmo's amazing. Yes. Well, but I think it's because we have been let down by our friends. Well, I'm not sure how much of that psychologically is like true because I have a conspiracy theory because I know a lot of people who feel the same way. I don't know anyone who's like, yeah, I benefit a lot from this system. Yeah, I'm a mooch. I'm a big time mooch. So I don't know if you just feel like when you lose $10, does it feel more, do you feel that more than when you gain $10? And so everyone is in a stat status where they're like, oh, it's like a poker thing, right? Like you remember every bad beat you've ever had. Yeah. You remember any pots you take down. Yeah. I know every single bad comment anyone has ever left on any of our videos. Yeah. I don't remember any of the nice ones. Chris doesn't even know this. I once over a three month period, this is similar to the sneeze chart, I kept a log of our, I think I expanded it out to like 20 of our closest friends and I was checking the till. No wonder people want to be a Venmo person with you. No, no, no. I was doing this because we were doing the take a penny, leave a penny. Yeah. And it was absurd how much he picked up the tab and I picked up the tab and it wasn't coming out in the wash. It was like, oh. I love pointy. Again, I have never shared this information and I did not share it with the group because it would have done nothing good. Yeah. But I had a suspicion because I had that thought that you just said. I was like, am I just clocking the times where I feel like, oh guys, I invited everyone over to the house and we had a barbecue and I went to the grocery store and spent $500 on food and drink and no one paid me. And then next weekend, no one hosted a barbecue at their place. I was like, am I just thinking about that too much or is that happening? I clocked it over three months and I was like, no, it's happening. At what level? How much money does somebody need to owe you before you're like, I'm not doing this anymore? Yes. Yes. Good question. Literally, okay. Before I'm not doing it anymore, if you owe me $250, I'm probably not picking up your tab. Wow. I'm not picking up your tab. You could owe me $50,000 and I would still not say anything. Oh yeah. I agree. I would never say anything. I would be like, well. But you'll stop offering about like, I'm not going to. Yeah. It's, you know, I mean, I'm not going to not invite you over to the barbecue, but I'm probably not. When I go up to the bar and I'm going, John, beer, Chris, beer. If I look at Dave, who owes me $250, which I wouldn't know that I'm not that fucking petty. But if I know, like if Dave owes me $1,000, I'm probably not going, Dave, can I get you a beer? Actually, yeah, I would. For like, for $50. Because again, I'm fucking beer. Who cares? But I'm probably not picking up Dave's dinner. For $50,000. I don't buy anyone a beer. You could owe me $50,000 and I'll still buy you a beer. If you owe me that money, I'm going to your house and you're making a barbecue for me. Yeah. Dude, I just sit down for dinner every day. I literally go to your house for dinner with no text. At that point, I just show up. For dinner. At that point, it's systemic and you're like, well, I'm taking advantage of that. Because he's clearly not doing anything. So I'm just going to keep going over for dinner. Okay. But your original question was minimum amount though. Yes. Yes. Right. I reckon if it's less than what I can buy a Snickers with. Okay. Yeah. I'm like, if it's, I mean, because Snickers can get expensive. I think they're like $3 in the liquor store across the way. I'm like, at $3, if someone Venmo's me for $3, I'd be like, whatever. But it's like, I won't be friendship ending. If someone Venmo's me for like a dollar and 25 cents, I'm like, chill. Chill. And dude. I think it's, we keep adding caveats here. If it's a paper amount. $5. Although I know in the US you have a $1 bill and a $2 bill. Yeah. But $5, it seems like a good amount. I think it's 50 for me for one person. 50? If someone Venmo's you for under $50, you will be. No, no, for me to Venmo someone. Oh, but like, but they request you like $39. Yeah. You wouldn't be like. If someone requested me $39. Yeah. Oh, no, no, that, I'm saying for me to send the request to you. Like if you and I are going up to a stand and we get through. And I'm like, I'll get this one. And it's 80 bucks. I go, I don't give a shit. Yeah. Like I will, I'll happily buy that for you. Yeah. If it's $120, I'm like, I might Venmo you 60 bucks. I see, I see. But if I get a Venmo request, I think less than $20. Maybe 25. Enrages you. I've, no, it doesn't enrage me. The fire of 10,000 guns burns the Tuba. Less than 10, I am enraged. You see, the thing is like. Less than 10, I'm like, are you fucking shitting me? You can do me. I actually will call someone out. AJ. AJ Audino. AJ, I knew it. No, they're always talking about you, AJ. AJ Audino, our dear, dear friend. This fucking guy is so generous and so amazing. Yes, he is. And so kind. But he would randomly be like, he's like, hey, I'm going down to the bagel shop. You want anything? And I'd be like, yeah, sure. I'll take a diet, Dr. Pepper. And I would then get a Venmo for like $325. And I'd be like, what are you doing, AJ? That's crazy. It is a weird thing because I always want to pay back my debts, no matter how small they are. But it's like, there are friends who I'm like, if I'm in this thing where I'm constantly buying things for them and then they Venmo request me for any amount, I'm like, all right, chill. Like it's okay. Yeah. But then there is a kind of thing, if this is one of those people who's already established that they're a big Venmo person, then I'm like, well, I want to pay back my debt. I won't be that annoyed if they're Venmo requesting me for $2. But it's kind of like, I know that this is that person's financial methods. So it's kind of expected. I don't know how much I would be the minimum for me to Venmo request somebody. I have to think about that. He's high for me because if we went to dinner and it was like, hey, if we had an $80 dinner, I'd be like, yeah, you want to split it like 40, but that doesn't feel that weird to me. Yeah. But I'm with you. No, that's a great point. If we're sitting down at dinner, I think it's, there's something to me about buying stuff on the fly. I know. I know. That I'm like, I, I, right. If you have the time to process it, you're sitting down the bill comes, you have like the mathematics labeled out on this paper. Like it makes it more convenient. Whereas if you're just like at a, at like a stand somewhere at a game or something, it's just kind of like, I don't want to have to figure the set right now. That's what I was thinking. Yeah. If we're, if we're at a sports game and we go and we get a couple of beers and a, you know, bag of peanuts. Yeah. And yeah, it's like 78 bucks. We're holding, juggling the food. We got to get back to our seats and I'm like, I don't care. It's fine. Yeah. I'll get this. And then the only time when you'd really have is like, when you've gone home and at that point, it just feels weird to be just like, Hey, remember that time I bought you that like Coke earlier? Dude, you got, oh, so there's two things. There's actually three things that I want to hit on. And then we can be done. One, the, for me, the minimum amount extends into, you know, you know, do you know the app split wise? Yeah. Venmo has a split wise function now, but basically it's like you're on a group trip and you put all the people who are on the trip and then you can add costs. You're like groceries. Yeah. And then you can say, this was split by everybody, but then you're like, that one dinner, that was just Chris, Dan and Sean. So you can click and then split wise simplifies the Venmo. So it's like, it'll just add everything up and go, you just Venmo him this, you Venmo him that, and now everyone's even. Evens it all. And if you use code netters, you'll get three by one. Split wise. Yeah. It's absolutely brilliant. I got to check this out. It's awesome. And Venmo has a split wise function. I'm just calling it that, but they have a function to do this now. We'll call it a simplify function. Simplify function. Hey, Venmo, if you're looking for sponsors. And the, so sometimes it'll go, at the end of it all, it'll go, Chris, you owe Sean, like we've each spent $1,200 over a bachelor party weekend, right? Yeah. Right. We've lost various things, but it's now adding everything up. So then it's like, after all the math, Chris, you owe Sean, $250. And I'm like, no. Because like the fee, you know, because like, so even with a split wise, where I feel like I've just spent 12 grand. Yeah. And then at the end it goes, Dano's you $7. I just go to delete because I'm like, who cares? It does have a habit of always kind of. But, but what's good about that is at least you know. Yeah. At least you're like, yeah, like, go for it and delete it. If you're like, I don't care about $7. But you don't know that in the end out of the wash, you are only owed $7 until you do all that shit. There are people though, who in the back of their mind would just be thinking about the $7 every time they look at you. Yeah. You fucking pig. I fucking hate you. All right. So the two things are if you, and you hit this earlier, if someone says, can I get you blank? Can I get you a drink? Can I get you a breakfast sandwich? If you fucking Venmo, after that, say, say, I don't know the exact phrasing I want. I'm craving. But I'm like, if the offer of a thing, a small thing, like if you go, can I get you a car? I'm not going to go. Yeah. Oh yeah, dude. But like the offer of a coffee. Interesting. I'm like, dude, you will be paying for this. I do think we need to get back to buying single drinks for people or a single coffee is not something that we Venmo. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Although with the price of inflation now, I know it's getting tough. Who knows what the price of a drink or a coffee is going to be in a couple of years. Look, he's rinsed. And then last one, how late can a Venmo be? I'm so glad you asked this because. Because I forget a lot. Can I get you a drink? I hit you. I hit you three months later. I hit you. I'm going to start purposefully like Venmo requesting things a year on the date. Dude, it's such a thing. I have been the victim of both sides of this. Or I suppose not the victim. Excuse me. I have been on the wrong side of both sides of this. So I went golfing with a friend recently at his country club. And it was amazing. I had a great time. We had a dinner at the club after. And I paid for nothing while I was there. And I left going, I wonder what the situation was there. Now in my mind, I was like, I'm going to get a Venmo for dinner. There's no way dinner is free. But at some country clubs, guests golf for free. If you were a member, you can bring a guest for free. You can bring a guest up to so many times for free a year. Others have green fees. When you get to the halfway houses and the snack stands and stuff, sometimes those are the best things. Sometimes those are free. Sometimes they're not. So we're drinking on the course. We're doing this. We're doing that. And I'm like, I don't know if a tab is being kept. I don't know what if there was a green fee. I don't know what's going on. But zero discussion was had about said cost. So I was like, OK, that's interesting. Two weeks go by and said friend was like, hey, you want to come golfing again? And I was like, fuck yeah. So I went golfing again. The same thing happened. We didn't do dinner this time. But I was like, what is happening? And I want to be clear. I could have should have been like, what's is this? Yeah. Yeah. Is this free? I just like, what do I owe you for that? And let them, yeah. About three weeks after that. So like end of the month, we'll call it. I got a Venmo for like $800. And I was like, OK, that there was probably $200 to $250 worth of green fees. And then all of those drinks and snacks were clearly on a tab. And I was like, that is totally fine with me. And I can't wait to come golfing with you again. And I will pay all that money. But I didn't know. So I was like, I imagine that Venmo came in so late because he was doing his. It's like the end of the month. He gets his bill from the course. And he was like looking at, OK, this is when Dan came, blah, blah, blah. That was a little late for my liking without any conversation. If there had been like a, hey, by the way, I'm putting all this stuff on a tab. At the end of the month, I'll tally it up and send you Venmo. I'd be like, oh, yeah, but if it's going to be that late, I think you got to give people a warning. So the other side, I don't even know if I want to say this on the show. But I won't say the event. There was an event had earlier or in the end of summer here in LA with all of our friends. And I, at the end of it, I picked up the tab and it was like fucking $3,500. And I was like, we got a Venmo. Yeah, at least we got it. Yeah. And I was not the only person in charge of said event. And in talking to other person, I was like, we got to send these Venmo's. And we just didn't. And it's been fucking four months. And I'm like, I can't send those. Done. It's done. So like I'm just eating that bill because I feel so embarrassed to be like, do you guys remember back in October when we did said thing, can you all give me like $50? So collectively, are you at $3,500? Yeah. But it was great. I'd be sending those. That's my opinion has changed. I'd be nickel and timing every single. Yeah. That is crazy. But it's my fault. I've waited too long. I can't do it. How much are you guys getting paid? I can't afford to be using it at $3,500. This is a disaster. I have financial ruin because of this. You remember when I was out of the office for a few days? I had to sell a kidney. Yeah. Because I literally I was like, Jesus Christ. So yeah, I do think. You waited too long. I waited way too long. It's my fault. Okay. If I was part of that, I'd be totally okay with you Venmo requesting me. I would not think anything of it. You know what? Shout out Sam Barrett. I brought up this to Sam who was at said event and he looked at me and he was like, obviously Venmo us. And I was like, I appreciate you. But I feel too embarrassed. I fucked up. My boy party, he's friends with Dan too. My boy party and I, he will just Venmo me every now and then for like an Uber he takes. Like he's like in San Francisco having a night out on Saturday and he'll Uber home. And it's like 17 bucks and he'll Venmo me 1781 for my Uber home. And I just go pay. And I do it back to him. Like I will just send him fucking rogue Venmo's. And he's like, pay. Okay. Sounds good. High recommend. High recommend. That's a good friendship. For friends. That's a great friendship. It's so good. Venmo, I mean, listen, it, it's a great tool. But you got it. There's etiquette. Be careful. There's Venmo. I do like the idea of like if you're, your check, if you don't just get a receipt, if you get a check, if you get a bill at your table with that's in a little tray, then Venmo's completely on the table regardless of the price. Yeah. Unless it's like a dollar. I like it. And but if you're like standing up and doing something. Yeah. Similar to fries. It's similar to fries. Similar to fries. Standing up. We're good. Yeah. Sitting down. Venmo fine. Yeah. I'm done with this rule. Boom. Yeah. I love it. CP, do you have a game for us? I have a game for us. Okay. This game is called what's the connection? I love this game. It's everybody's favorite game. I'll ask you 10 trivia questions. Nine of them have answers. And the 10th question is what connects those nine answers? One time all the answers were the names of famous movie and TV dogs. One time it was all Marvel's, all comic book heroes. Dan, are you ready? I sure am. Question number one. If you ask who is the best number blank in the, in NHL history, there is a common answer. But it's tricky because another legend from the same franchise wore this number as well, but he gave it up to the, to the former for his retirement ceremony. What number is it? Okay. The, the, the give up number? Yep. Okay. I'm going to say seven. Ray Bork for Los Pizitos, Sean. And I cannot, you know, say the answer. Of course. Yeah. I cannot say the answers because it'll give it away. Number two. Question number two. I'm doing an impression. Soft hands. You don't shoot the puck to your teammates. You sail it to them. You don't stop the pass. You accept it. Cradle it. Concentration, not strength. Gordon Bombay was teaching his players using what during this scene? We're going to say an egg. Question number three. There are several ways you can get a delay of game penalty in the NHL. I feel like I already know the connection. One of them is shooting the puck over the glass from your defensive zone. Another is if any player other than the goalie uses their what to make the puck unplayable. I'm going to say hand, but it might be glove. Question number four. Five of these have played in NHL history. Three from Sweden, one from Canada and one from the U.S. Easily the most successful one. Easily the most successful one is one of the three from Sweden. It was like they had telepathy. Oh, twins. Twins, Basil. Question number five. In the 2020-21 shortened NHL season, the divisions were changed due to COVID restrictions. There was East, West, Central, and What, which featured all the Canadian teams. Shit. That'll come to me. We'll come back to it. Put that blank down. Yeah. Question number six. During TV timeouts, NHL teams have an ice crew that zip around the rink while the players go to their benches. Despite their name, it's not ice they are getting rid of. What is it? Snow. Question number seven. This player had a penalty shot with 19 seconds left of the 2012 Winter Classic to tie the game at three all against the Rangers. As a member of the Flyers, but Hank saved it. This was a very popular Flyers player, but he was also a very popular Sabres player before that. He is now a current GM. What was the first name that people called him by? Damn. I think I don't remember this one. You'll get it. Question- We'll put that blank though. Yeah. Question number eight. Flyers shootout player in the Winter Classic. We were at Buffalo Wild Wings together in Newington watching this game. Were we real? And he's a coach now? Current GM. Oh, he's a GM. Well, I don't want to say yet. I'll give you that hint later though. Question number eight. A hockey rink is surrounded by boards, and that is usually the term for them. A puck can be rimmed around the boards or you can check someone against the end boards, but sometimes they are called by another name. Usually when a forward is standing near the hash marks on the half blank. Got it. Wall. That's eight. Question number nine. The AHL affiliate of the Carolina Hurricanes is in Chicago. Their mascot is named Skates. He's only a five-hour drive from the professional basketball mascot in Minnesota, whose name is Crunch. They would probably be friends because Skates is also a blank. Okay, which ones do you think you know and which ones do you not know and do you know the connection? I think I know the connection. So I've got seven. This is awesome. I've got seven egg, hand, twins, north, snow. Oh, you got. I got north. Yep. I believe it's Danny Breyer. So Danny, wall, and nine, I'm guessing is wolf. And the connection is Game of Thrones. That is correct, Dan. Is wolf correct? Yes, it is. Okay, that was a full-on guess. I don't know either of those. The Chicago Wolves, the AHL affiliate. There you go. So that's great. The twins is a crazy clue. Yeah. Like that's a deep throne. Deep, deep, deep, deep. Well, there was some easy. Even egg. If you are unfamiliar with Duncan the Egg and you haven't watched A Night of the Seven Kingdoms yet, that would be a good one too. I shouldn't have put those two first. I, to be honest, I actually thought after seven and egg, it might have been Harry Potter, because Harry wears seven in Quidditch and seven is the most magical number. And egg is the clue in the dragon egg. Yep, correct. But then that's just great. Great clue. Excellent job, Dan. Wow. Fantastic stuff. Fantastic stuff. Fantastic episode. Oh yeah. Great, great stuff from everybody. Sean, you're incredible as always. Thank you. We've got awesome interviews coming for you next week. Fun stuff. NHL players hopping on the show. We've got Olympics coming down the pipe. So be ready for tons of coverage of that. Let's have a great weekend. Let's hit all these bets. Let's enjoy ourselves. And while we do it, let's get it hard.