Nightcap Hour 2: Michael Porter Jr. says Jokic is the GOAT + Claressa Shields & Shakur Stevenson CLAP BACK at Unc + Tom Brady DENIED the Pats OFFER for Maxx Crosby + Rams & Trent McDuffie REACH AGREEMENT

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Open your free iHeartRadio app, Search 40s and free agents and listen now. Michael Porter Jr. said Nikola Jokic is the greatest of all time. People will say Michael Jordan just to agree, but they haven't watched film. They'll just say it to agree with everyone else. For me, with my two eyes and from what I've seen, I'm going to say Nikola Jokic is the best player that I've ever seen. From what I've seen to day-to-day, and I haven't seen anybody as dominant as Jokic. Boy, that's saying a lot. But who said that, Joe? His ex-teammate, Jokic's ex-teammate, Michael Porter Jr. He played for the Brooklyn Nets. But see, that's what happens, like you said, with his eyes. You said he said with his eyes, so he didn't see Kareem. Yeah, out of sight, out of mind, which you ain't seen. He ain't see Kareem. He ain't see Moses Malone. He ain't see Larry Bird. He ain't see Magic. He ain't see Jordan. He didn't. He didn't see that. No. I can't blame him for saying what he's seen with his own two eyes, but that's what happens with you. Because you haven't seen it, you don't think it happened. It's on film. It's on film. There's footage. Everybody, everybody. That's the highlight. I'm old enough to remember Kareem. I'm old enough to remember Kareem. Like I said, go back and look at Kareem's numbers when he first got to Milwaukee and when he first got to L.A. Look at his numbers. He was giving you 33, 34, and 16, 17 for a season. He didn't come to all-time leading scorer for no reason. And the third leading rebounder for no reason. A six-time MVP for no reason. Scott who gave you the deal? He has the most unstoppable. Look, we done seen everybody perfect. KD took Dirk one-legged step back. You don't see how many people hit Jordan turnaround from Kobe to LeBron to this one. Tell me the person you've seen consistently throw that sky hook, and I'm not talking about the end of the shot clock. That's a hard shot to replicate. Ain't nobody doing that sky hook, boy. That's really the only shot. And he wasn't throwing it from two feet. He throwing it from 15, 18 feet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cash. Yeah. You couldn't stop it. You couldn't stop it. You told. Man, the game changed so much. It has. It has. It has. It's a different game now. And I'm not looking. I've been a Nikola Jokic fan. Everybody can know. Y'all know I've been a Jokic fan. I've been a Luka fan basically since they got to the league. And it's going to be hard. It's going to be hard if he were to get another championship or two for Yoke to say he's not a top ten player. It just is. Yeah. Because he's going to have championships. He's already got three MVPs. He's going to be top three for MVP for the next three, four years. Now he messed around and get another one. He got four. He got a couple championships. He got three. I wonder if it's because, you know, big men, they kind of hard to market. You know, outside of – You got to get me the ball, Joe. Yeah. The big man never get no credit. Nah. We forget about, we forget about Will, we forget about Mr. Russell, we forget about Kareem. The big man ain't gonna never get in no trouble. Nah. Somebody gotta get him the ball. Yeah. When you got him that ball, he was hell, wasn't he? Yeah, yeah. Or is it because the game doesn't look, you know, flamboyant enough when you playing through your bigs, you know, versus the perimeter guys, they gonna razzle dazzle you, cross you over, step you back. You know, that's why they get all the sales when it comes to apparel and things of that sort. But you never see a big man really outside of Shaq who probably sold a lot of shoes. Outside of that, you don't really see big men with shoe deals like that. No, because they're not fancy. I mean, look at Tim Duncan. They call him the fundamentals. He ain't do nothing. He had the same expression on his face, just buzzing everybody's ass. Wop, wop, wop, wop, wop. I mean, he ain't do nothing fancy. He ain't have no finger roll. All he just glad. I'm like, man, damn. Sometimes I wish the backboard wasn't there. I said, damn, he going up the backboard all the time and making that shot. I'm telling you, man. He could, shh. Damn, you bring my half flashbacks thinking about them. That man stopped me from getting a ring. I could have got me one. Damn, Tim dunking that. But that's the way it is. because when you think about it, Will got 24,000 rebounds. Y'all do realize that man averaged 24 rebounds for a career? No, no, no, no, no, no. Do y'all realize that? That man averaged 24 rebounds for a career? It don't even sound real. The man never had a season with less than 17 rebounds in a season. That's crazy. He once had a season. he had 40 average 44 and 27 that was after the year you average 50 and 25 because y'all say y'all thought i was bull jobbing just so i'm not bull jobbing i'm gonna put a 44 and 27 on you hey when be on that trajectory i'm talking about to where like i'm saying i think he's gonna be able to dominate uncle ocho and when he really fill out to become who he's gonna be because he ain't but what, 23, 22? Yeah, something like that. Damn. He got a long way to go, bro. Boy, at about 25, 26. He gonna be here. If he keeps growing, yeah. Just get a little strong in your lower body. Yeah. Yeah, he figured that part out. It's gonna be a wrap, man. You think he gonna develop like Giannis? Like get big like that? Nah. He ain't gonna get big like that. Giannis. Giannis was skinny like that too now yeah he was he was yeah but that's a lot more to fill out yeah I don't see it with me I think he gonna get a lot stronger he might get him he might get him a little girth on there but man just so just so just so people can't move him you know try to play through his body and move him off his spot yeah but he people talk about women develop the sky hook man don't let that man develop no sky hook how the hell you hell you couldn't block Kareem's and he's 7-2 what the hell you gonna do with a man 7-4 7-5 throw the sky hook from 9 feet high nah but look I get it because you look at Yoke and the stuff that he's doing we've never seen a big man this skilled offensively that can score the basketball can assist the basketball. There have been very few bigs that they ran the offense through. We've seen point forwards, but they run the offense through him. Yeah. He's going to average another triple-double this year. Yeah. I think it's the grace that he plays with Arcan Ocho, how he makes the game look so easy, so simple. Like, you know, it don't even seem like he really out there trying that hard if I'm being 100 with you. You know when I watch him play? It's like because if you give him one-on-one coverage, He going to pick whoever that is, Gardner, he going to pick him apart so quick. And it's like then if you double him, he always looking for the open man. He's a pass first big. Who can score? You know what I mean? So it's fun to watch him. It's fun to watch him work. And he going to be hard to stop too, man. That's why I say the West is so tough because by the time whoever comes out of the West, they going to be so beat up because from the first round all the way into the West, to the finals, boy, you're going to have headhunters on you. You got your hands full. And the thing is, he's on pace, Joe, to lead the league in assists again. You know, Wilt did it many, many years ago. But this guy's leading the league in assists with double digits, which is crazy. It don't make no sense, man. It's crazy. It don't make no sense. Like I said, his touch around the basket is second to none. I've seen a lot of big. I mean, so we go back to the mid-70s and come forward, I've never seen a big with that kind of touch. No, I ain't either. I ain't either. I ain't either, Ocho. So I think for Denver, it's all about how healthy they can get or how healthy Gordon could get because he's the one guy who can definitely help Murray and Jokic. Yeah, and get Watson back. Yeah, and get Watson back. They got to get them dudes back healthy. So they get them back. They get those guys back healthy. It's going to be very interesting because you know, look, come playoff time, Murray and Yoke, they're going to be Murray and Yoke. It's Gordon. When Gordon gave you that third option. Yeah. Yeah. He gave you that third option. He's going to be tough. He's going to be tough. He's going to be tough. They're going to be tough to beat. Yeah. Because Yoke, you know, you don't know. What do you do? You let him get 50? Or do you let him get 25, 30 with 20 rebounds and 15 assists? Oh, my God. Because you're at his mercy. Yeah. Like you said, they don't have one guy that can stop him. You got to bring the double. You got to bring help. And it just comes now, anytime a guy gets double, Joe, and you know this, it's up to the guy. If they're knocking down shots, you're just like, well, F it. We'll do the next game. Yeah. Yeah. Because if you don't come, he's going to punish him. If you do come, he's going to kick it, and the guy's knocking down shots. Yeah, you got to pick your poison. That's the Lu Lu situation, huh? Yeah. Hey, that's why they, you know, a lot of teams starting to be physical with a lot of these guys too. You know, have them crying and whining to the referee. Got you trying to wear them down. Like, man, we know we ain't going to stop you, but if we can frustrate you and have you teed off out here to where you get a couple of igno-files and you have to go sit down, then we've done just as good of a job. You know what I mean? yeah so we'll see the one thing we do know he has at least five more years let's see what his numbers are let's see what he's done has he won more championships has he won more MVPs and then we're going to have to have a serious serious discussion because the numbers are going to warrant and the wars are going to warrant it's just a matter how many championships does he have because it's going to warrant some consideration it's going to warrant consideration It's going to put him at the top. Yeah, absolutely. Because there ain't a whole lot of guys that got – I mean, you got to go back – only, let's see. Kareem with six MVPs. You got Jordan and Russell with five MVPs. And you got LeBron and Wilt with four MVPs. You talking about – Moses Malone has three. So Magic has three. Bird has three. so now we're talking about he already has three. Now you mess around and get him and let him get a fourth and a fifth, and he gets a couple of championships. Now what are we supposed to do with that? Just ignore it? Or let me guess, he played in a soft era. There's always going to be something. So, we going to see. before we move on Joe the social media team had this post yesterday look at Joe what happened bro Joey oh man what y'all got going on Joe what you doing Joe do you know anything about wrestling Joe yeah I know something about wrestling well uh junkyard dog CM Punk did that when he beat Seth Rollins well he won the belts so he was making fun of Seth Rollins and uh his and his and Becky so they got the championship so he's like I got the bills now. So that's what he was doing. So we were spoofing, we were spoofing that. And people like, man, why y'all do Joe like that? Clearly y'all not wrestling fans. Cause if you knew, if you were wrestling fans, you the new CM Punk did that. And we took that from CM Punk. Oh, okay. Yeah. They thought y'all- Pull up, can we pull up the clip from CM Punk? Oh, they thought y'all- Okay, there you go. You see Joe? Yeah, yeah, they thought y'all were trying to put shame on the king. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Put shame on the who? nobody thought that for you added that joe ain't nobody say nothing about the shame on the who now i'm saying i'm saying i'm telling you nobody put the head on i'm feeling porky had no hat on i'll tell you what social media was thinking they were thinking like oh man they trying to put they trying to put shame on the king hey hey that would they do you know you can't pro you can't self proclaim yourself as a king you can't do that joe oh joe then do we have to go through this i'm just saying you can't call yourself the king you have to be appointed I was anointed. Anointed. Ocho, you know when I was in high school, this back in 1999, back in Little Rock, Arkansas, at D Little Rock Central. You know, I won Homecoming King, Ocho. I was anointed back in the day in high school. Really? Yeah, man, I won Homecoming King. How you Homecoming King and you don't even play football? I won the Basketball Homecoming King. Doing the game. Y'all had the Basketball Homecoming King? What kind of bulljumper? You got a football team? Y'all have, hold on, hold on, hold on. Don't act like y'all ain't got basketball homecoming now. No, we don't. I ain't never heard that. Who don't? Nobody but you. Man, y'all tripper. Homecoming king and queen is on football night. It's a football. Football, yeah. Man, you think of homecoming king for basketball? I don't know where y'all from, bro. What, in the sticks? I know y'all from down there. I know homecoming from all over here. Hey, Joe, I promise you, I've never heard of basketball homecoming king and queen. Now, football. Man, y'all, what is, what? Maybe it's different down there. I need y'all to chat. Chat don't know, they don't know. Hey, Joe, what's your school population was? About 200? Chill, chill, chill. In my class, we had, hold on, Joe, we had close to about 500 people in my high school class now. Damn, in just one class? No, not your high school, your graduating class. Yes, my high school graduating class, yes. Nah, you mean the whole school, 500 kids. Joe, I have never heard. Now, I done been to a lot of places. As a matter of fact, I'm getting ready to go to the county fair. But being from the south and being on a farm, I was in 4-H. I went to county fairs. I went to two goat shows and a cow show. I ain't never heard no ish like that. When you got a basketball homecoming. I ain't never heard it, Ocho. Chad said I ain't never heard it either. As a matter of fact, it's homecoming. Man, what is wrong with y'all? These people saying this in the gym. No, homecoming for football games. You mean, hold on, you mean the prom, you was prom king? Now I get it, if you say I was prom king, because you got homecoming, you got prom. So if you say I was the prom king, okay Joe, congratulations. You got basketball hoop? I ain't never heard that. I ain't never heard that. Man, y'all must grow up in some real rural areas. Rural, yeah. Then y'all probably ain't have stoplights and all that. Ninja, you from Little Rock, Arkansas. I know. The hell? He's coming like he from LA or New York. Hey, hey, hey, show me a picture, Joe. Show me a picture you want Homecoming King. Show me a picture? I need to see a picture. Okay, fair. I'm going to show you. I ain't got one on me. Yeah, yeah, nah, he's trying to use AI. You think you slick AI. He's going to use AI and try to create one. Oh, Joe, you think I'll sit here and lie to you, bro? That's the last thing I'm going to do. I ain't going to lie to you, bro. Like I said, prom, if you say, hey, Ocho, you know your boy, you know your boy was prom king. I've been at this king thing for a minute now. This ain't the first time I've been anointed the king. They crowned me the king for the prom. Okay, you know your boy played a little football. I was a quarterback. I was a wide receiver. I was homecoming king. Gotcha. Basketball? Nah, something ain't right. Something ain't adding up. Dang, boy, hey. Boy, these people going to talk about y'all over here, man. Not really. Not really. Maybe y'all had a nice little pep rally. Y'all used to do it. Y'all had a pep rally, right? Yeah, man, we used to have a pep rally. Come on, man. Y'all don't try to play us like that. I'm just saying. If you had a basketball homecoming, ain't no telling what else y'all had. Hold on. So listen, did y'all tell me when these colleges, they have football homecoming, y'all do know they have a basketball homecoming too, right? Not by school. Not mine either. Y'all don't know. Man, will y'all stop playing crazy? I promise you. Y'all got a baseball homecoming too? Track homecoming? Nope. So what we stopping today? You got to stop somewhere. Hey, y'all got to chill, bro. Hey, this joke every day had a wrestling homecoming, football homecoming, basketball homecoming, soccer, baseball. Wow. That's crazy. Maybe it's small areas that do that, Joe. Maybe it's small areas. No, bro. Not down here in Miami. Not that I know of. Look, the chat telling y'all both. I mean, the people in the chat that are saying both are probably from small rural areas like Arkansas. I mean, they probably have a black and a white homecoming queen. Okay, I get it. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Hey, Joe, I don't believe you won. Black and white proms. I mean, y'all have some great proms. Hey, listen. Hey, listen. Hey, listen. Y'all want to put a stain on my crown so bad. No, we didn't put no stain on there. We just saying there's no way you want it. Hey, listen. Listen. I done figured y'all out. I done figured y'all out. Why y'all want to put a stain on your boy so bad? Y'all good? We good? Joe, I ain't even went homecoming king. So I know you ain't when you was playing. What? In high school? No. Oh, Joe. Hold on. I'm going to have to get my stuff together with y'all. Get it, Joe. Get it, Joe. I ain't went homecoming king. I won class clown. I won that. They got that one right. Hey, all the way through the NFL, what you see is what you get. Damn. No, I didn't win homecoming. I was Mr. Senior. What'd that mean? Class of Perlative. Who? Most likely to succeed. That's what that mean, Mr. Senior? No, I wasn't Mr. Senior. You had a Mr. When you're in your graduating class, you had a Mr. and Mr. C, Mr. and Mr. Senior. You had a most likely to succeed. You had most talented. You had all the, yes. Oh yeah. Yes, we got most likely to succeed. Okay, okay, yeah. Hold on, so tell me something, did y'all have like a senior banquet and all that? Yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. We had a senior banquet. Hold on, did you have a senior trip? Y'all had a senior trip? Yes, I didn't. Where was that? Oh Joe, where was I gonna go? I'm just saying, Joe, y'all had a senior trip, Joe? They took out money. They went on a senior trip. I ain't go though. Where they went? Ours went to Disney World or Disneyland, whichever one is out there. Yeah, it was somewhere like that. We went on a cruise. So what was I gonna use for luggage? Piggly Wiggly bags? They had no suitcases. The hell I look like going to the cruise with grocery bags. Come on now. Yeah, I got my book. I can brag it to you. Most likely to succeed. Most athletic. That's what I'm going to do. I have to get my yearbook. I got the most superlatives in Glenville history. That can never be broken because it's not a high school anymore. I'm the only athlete to win most MVP in basketball, football, track, and senior athlete. Damn. I'm the only one that did it. Sweet steaks. Hey, that's impressive. I ain't going to lie to you. Sweet steaks. That's impressive. but I still ain't heard of no home basketball homecoming. Man, y'all ain't ever this is crazy. Self-proclaimed king. Child, please. You don't see the chat vouching for everything I'm saying? Nah, the chat ain't nobody vouching for that. They said both. It's a football homecoming and a basketball homecoming. We're going to close the chat. Let's go close the chat. We got to pull up. Hey, hey, hey. Next Monday, our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards are happening live at South by Southwest. This is the biggest night in podcasting. We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented, and creative talent in the industry. And the winner is... Creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. Thank you so much, iHeartRadio. Thank you to all the other nominees. You guys are awesome. 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Listen to 40s and Free Agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Elcho, I detected a vote fraud, so we about to close the chat. Damn, what's up? What up fellas Y straight Yeah we good Joe Oh don care Yeah we good Everything good Joe See Ocho, last night Ocho and I discussed Clarissa Shield's chance to win against Roley Romero. Well, both Clarissa and Shakur have responded. Okay, I got Clarissa over Shannon Sharp in a boxing match. Facts. These guys are so misinformed about boxing. Like Marjorie Mayweather says, some people don't know ish about boxing. Since day one, I've been sparring with men. It's a reason I'm running through these women. Yes, you're running through women, Clarissa. Clarissa, you're not beating a male-trained fighter. You're not. If that was the case, you would have fought men. You're not. They're not going to sanction it. We're not saying that you're a bad woman's fighter. You're great. You're the, you're the quote. You're the greatest woman's body of all time. Of all time, yeah. we're conceding that Shakur is just upset that I said I'm not paying no money to see him fight this fight's not interested so he mad about that I don't even want to discuss him but Clarissa it's not a shot at you he's still talking about I don't box I'm an almost 58 year old granddad or two but I tell you what Shakur and I'm going to leave it like this when your career is over we'll compare careers that's all I want to do Now, back to our normally scheduled programming. Chris, it's not a shot at you. You're a phenomenal woman fighter. But Clarissa, you're not beating a trained male fighter. You're not. He knows that. And if you want to take up, like I said, Serena laid it out. Serena is the greatest female woman tennis player ever. She says, I'm not beating a male tennis player. They're not. there's a reason if they could do a physical sport with men and women they would do it but they have a women's league and they have a men's league there's a reason why there's a reason when we talked about this last night too Joe the one thing I went to with great understanding obviously my knowledge of boxing is very good the way Joe the way you and Uncle talk about basketball I can talk about boxing so I understand in a sense that with common sense and logic there's no way a woman even the greatest woman of all time that she can be a male trained boxer it's impossible even the worst even the worst of male boxers that really aren't that good but are pros at what they do they would beat miss shields but understanding then i just i shifted to the mentality that she had huh the fact that she even thinks she can and that belief that if I had the opportunity to do so or fight one is one of the reasons why she is as great as she is. That's it. And I got a little pushback about that, but I don't think people are understanding what I was trying to say. She's not going to win. She's not going to beat. But the fact that she had that kind of mentality is which is why she is the greatest of all time at what she does. But logically thinking and being realistic, you might not like Roley. He's not as polished as other boxers. He's not a pure fighter. when you watch him fight. He's not that. So I think from that standpoint, she looks at Roley, the way he fights, him not being a polished boxer or whatever it may be. I think I could beat him. But it just wouldn't happen. Realistically speaking. Jojo, that's a man taking a punch versus a woman taking a punch. There's a reason men body and most athletes, male, produce more testosterone than the average. Women don't do that. She would get hurt. Yes, I'm talking about a trained male fighter. People in the chat are ignorant and dumb. I said last night, we're talking about Roley. Ocho, can you explain to the people that Roley is a professional fighter? They know that. We were talking about professional fighters. Now they try to take it somewhere else. They're going to move the goalposts. They're moving the goalposts and creating other scenarios outside of the one that is the main topic. Clarissa Shields is as great as she is. She knows. Shakur knows. You know, their knowledge of boxing and doing it all their life, they understand. So I guess Amanda Nunes can beat a trained MMA fighter. Come on. That's even worse. That's four-ounce gloves. That's even worse. Why not? You got to have that mentality. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that she's not great. She's great. She's the greatest woman fighter ever. But to fight a man, Serena, who's the greatest woman's basketball player? She's not beating a man in basketball. In tennis, she's not. The greatest woman soccer player, she's not beating a man. And it's okay. There's a reason why, Ocho, we have leagues that are for women, and for men. And that's why everybody gets up in arms when men say, well, I'm taking these hormones and try to compete against the women's because it's unfair. What is it that you don't see? Y'all just want to have something to... And like I said, I think the world of her. Her story, if you've heard her story and to see where she came from, from the streets of Detroit to what she's turned herself into a two-time Olympic champion once as a teenager and what she's turned herself into. Kudos. Get nothing but respect from me. But y'all know ain't no trained woman fighter beating a trained male fighter. It's not happening. Y'all know that. The power is just not there. The dude that clipped her sparring, Roley knocked out. with headgear. I think, hey, look, I think because of that too, because of her sparring sessions, maybe she's sparring with guys. It's probably, she's probably built up the confidence to where she really does think she can be the man. Yeah. Orcho, you spar. You think they going hard on her like they would if they were going against another guy getting ready for a fight? No, absolutely not. they won't turn up no they won't turn up because they understand especially at that level it's about work it's not beating it's not about beating the person in the ring it's about giving them the work that they need to prepare for whatever they're getting ready for because if they want to on a trained fighter those that i've been at with caleb plant uh the charlo brothers as a matter before you go any further i saw caleb plant in the grocery store he told me to tell you okay okay I just saw him. Hey, Joe, they can kill you if they want to, Joe. They can kill you if they want to. If they want to turn up, even as a trained fighter, it's levels to everything. And I think the way Clarissa Shields looks at Roley, he's not as polished. He's not a pure boxer. His fighting style is unorthodox, and it's awkward if you watch him fight. It looks weird. I mean, it just does. I'm just being honest. If you look at Roley and you look at Shakur, two completely different levels so when she sees that as a polished boxer as the best woman of all time she thinks well hell I can beat that I can beat that that's her mentality but can't she really do it yes I understand the champion yes I know but can't she really do it no absolutely not We'll probably see a match A woman fighting a man They won't sanction it They can't sanction that Joe 10 ounce gloves, 8 ounce gloves, no head gear Man vs. woman, no Man if they know you gonna tune in They gonna make it happen She'll get hurt Joe You gonna have to go overseas where there's no sanctioning bodies Because there's not a sanctioning body in the US that'll sanction it I love the confidence I love the confidence and that confidence she has you know and like some people say it's delusion is why she's the greatest of all time and what she does I can make a case that Sidney McLaughlin is the greatest friend of her open 400 most high schoolers beat her in the open 4 so you think Sidney McLaughlin can beat a trained 400-meter hurdler. No. That's running. Why you think in a fight, a trained fighter, male, versus a woman that the woman can beat him? Why would you think that? And why would you want to see that? I wouldn't want to see that I mean I promise you I don't know how you guys watch Ocho Joe when I watch sports I never thought that man I wonder if Serena could beat Federer I wonder if she could beat Joe nah nah there's no excitement in that there's no excitement in that what that's my only question. Joe, why is it enough to be the best at your given field? Why is it enough to be the greatest woman boxer ever? Because she doesn't, it's almost like you don't want any measurements on it. It's like you didn't reach the pinnacle. She at the top. Can't no girl touch her. She know that. She wants to continue to keep going. So therefore now this narrative Then came out that she feel like she can Be the man I mean that's what's next You know what Uncle Joe what if they do make that an exhibition What if that What if that's the next thing that she does It's going to be the same thing you saw what happened When Jake Paul fought a real fighter And Anthony Joshua How did that look Ocho how did that look Ocho there's levels to stuff that's why men fight men women fight women women play women's basketball WNBA they got the NBA they got the women's soccer league they got the men's soccer league when it comes to things that involve physical strength men don't compete against women there's a reason why and we know the reason that's not a knock on her she's phenomenal I know Roger Mayweather said hey are you right I don't know I just know Miss Shields you're not beating a trained male fighter especially a three time champion you're not and you and Shakur can be upset with me all you guys want to I still love you I still admire you I think you're phenomenal because your story coming from Michigan and doing what you did, getting yourself out of an impoverished situation, getting your family out of that condition, absolutely. But you're not beating a trained male fighter. You're not. You're just not. And that's not a knock on you. I don't know. You're talking about rolling. You're talking about rolling. You know, rolling ain't that skill. That man's a three-division champ. Yeah, I've seen... I'm going to stay away from that, but from a skill standpoint... So you think Clarissa is more skilled than rolling? Like, skillful-wise, like, pure boxing? Yes, absolutely. Absolutely, yeah. Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. But... So she can be anymore. Oh, no, no. why not she's more skilled hold on the comparison is skill it's not about male and women I'm talking about just men from a men's perspective no no no no no you said she's more skilled than Rollie so therefore she's more skilled she's a more polished boxer she's a polished pure boxer Rollie's not a polished pure boxer so she should be able to be him she should be able to be him you don't have the power to even affect him If she's more skilled, she shouldn't get hit. Skill is not about him. Skill is not about him. She's more skillful in what she does. He doesn't have that kind of skill. So why should she? She shouldn't get hit. No, come on. You know what I mean, man. No, no, I don't. Let me ask you a question. You said Floyd. Skill. What was Floyd so skillful at? What could he do? You can't hit him. And his defense is his offense. Okay. Now, stay with me real quick. When you watch the Cure fight, the most skillful right now in boxing, when he fights, what can people not do? They can't what? Hit him. Hit him. Same thing. Very skillful. When you watch Roley fight, he's trying to knock everybody out. Every punch is with bad intention. But he's not going to be her, though, because she's so skillful. He won't be able to hit her. Man, he will kill. Unc, stop. Come on. Stop playing there. Joe, am I the only one to chat? Am I the only one? Yes, you're the only one confused. If you watch boxing, you know boxing. You know this. She's a better boxer. She's more skillful, whether it be defensively or offensively. But he will still beat her. So how does she lose? It's a man. What do you mean? He can crack. Joe, do you hear what he's saying? Are you not listening? There's a difference between him being a man and her being a better boxer. she's a better boxer a better pure boxer whether it's on the outside whether it's on the inside she's a better boxer she's better skillfully it doesn't mean she can beat him he has an awkward fighting style he just does but it works for him that motherfucker can crack if he hits Cleverson Shields she's going to sleep what you mean if I mean come on you said if Ocho if she got touched did you see the fight that lady if Roley if Roley touched her like the lady she did it's nice out it lights out we know that and we've already said I said when we first started the conversation what I say there's no way in any scenario she's beating Roley I say that, but now we went to skill. Now, when it comes to skill, she's a better, skillful boxer. She's a pure fighter. If you watch boxing, you can see that. Roley has an awkward style. It's unorthodox. You don't know what the hell's coming. But if he catch you, you're going to sleep. But see, that's what makes him so dangerous. Because what Ray Roy, Roy was skillful, but what made Roy Jones his unorthodox style? Because you didn't know where he was going to throw a punch. And you ain't gonna see the damn punch. That's another problem. Hey, hold on. What was Roy's flaw too? Because he was so skillful, because his footwork was so good, because he was so goddamn quick, he never had to rely on defense. And what let him down when he got knocked out? As he got older, those reflexes weren't the same. So a punch that he could dodge or see coming when he was younger, the one that Tarver hit him with, he never saw it. He never saw it. but hopefully hopefully we've been going at this almost three years ago hopefully you and I never have another discussion when it comes to men and women competing against each other I really hope we don't because I think me we can admire the beauty of each sport and I think you can be the great in this and you know I'm fine with that Serena is perfectly fine with being the greatest woman's tennis player ever I think Asia Wilson is going to be the greatest I know she said that she can beat Josh Hart when she can't when she can't greatest of all time that's what I believe but when you're talking about a professional versus professional in a physical sport it's different man hey Joe when we talk about skill and art is when you watch people fight think about there's Shakur and the Tio Lomo the Tio fight right and we always see Tio play with his opponents and do all kind of tricks and hands down and doing all this and he fights Shakur it levels to everything that's the skill there's a huge skill gap between Clarissa and Roley that's all I'm saying but she won't win if they actually fought I'm just saying from a standpoint of how polished she is as a boxer Yes, because there's levels to everything. But a man against a woman? Oh, man. Uh-uh. It ain't happening. I think the thing is, Ocho, we got to be careful because a lot of times we're looking at Roley's skills and we're looking at him through the lens of Shakur or we're looking through the lens of Floyd or some of these other skillful fighters. And we say, well, he's not as skilled as those guys, but he's skillful. Yeah. Just not because you're talking about now, you start getting Floyd and you get Shakur and you get Roy or you got, rest your soul, Sweet Pea Whittaker. When you start getting those guys, now you start getting Sugar 8. Now you get into a... You know, is other fighters in that weight division? Look at Keyshawn Davis. Keyshawn Davis, yeah. Skill. Nice. Race. Like skill. That takes extreme skill to be able to do that. Yes. Richard Hitchison. Richard Hitchens. I'm not sure if I'm saying it right. Ugh. Skill. It's different. You know, I mean, but... What is Davis, 140? Javante? No. Keyshawn. What, 135, 140? I think he's 140. Is he 40 or 47? I'm not sure. I think he's fighting 147 too, huh? I'm not sure. He might. I think so. I think he might. I think he might. I think Tank is 140. Hey, skills. Tank won't fight Keyshawn. Hey, I don't know. Lamont Roach huh Tank need to get his issues Once Tank get these issues resolved Joe We can start thinking about fighting again Man But there's some fights Out there to be made It is I think Shakur and Tank That's a mega fight But you don't want that right now Because if you get it right now Then there's nothing to look forward to I've been looking forward to a fight I mean I look forward to I've been looking forward I look forward to We've been We were looking forward To Canelo and Bud We've been looking forward Like that for years I'm curious Which is still gonna happen Joe Where I'm glad Bud retired Because it's gonna take The right amount of money To bring him out of retirement The other part The other end of that Who's gonna be the fighter That's gonna bring him Out of retirement That everybody wants to see Man nobody wants to Bring him out Them boys don't want Them boys don't want Them boys don't want They don't want to see Bud Nah, nah. Somebody, somebody gonna bring him out. I don't think so. Somebody bring him out. You think so? Yeah, absolutely. Nah. I don't get it. Happy International Women's Day. Ta-da. To all the beautiful women out there that, hey, thank you. Thank you for everything that you do, from taking care of the kids, to supporting your family, supporting your husband, loved ones, whatever the case may be. You guys make it worthwhile. you guys make it happen. So we, Ocho, Joe, appreciate you. want to thank you sincerely. Thank you. Love y'all. So all the women out there, this is your day. Hopefully you enjoyed it. Hopefully you did something fun and your significant other took you to do something to let you know just how special you are. And him, without you, yes, sir, ain't happening. So every time you look up, every time you look up, it's a holiday. Yeah. Yeah, we just got out of Valentine's Day. Ain't it? And about to go into St. Patrick's. Ain't nobody getting that day, you know it's a holiday, ain't it? Right, right. Then Mother's Day right around the corner. Boy, they found a way to get that money, man. I mean, Christmas wasn't supposed to be what it is. I mean, they bought presents for the man that was born. Right, right, right. And somehow, they ain't bring no bikes. Who brought a bike in a car or drove the microwave? Next Monday, our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards are happening live at South by Southwest. This is the biggest night in podcasting. We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented creators in the industry. And the winner is... Creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. Thank you so much, iHeartRadio. Thank you to all the other nominees. You guys are awesome. Watch live next Monday at 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific, free at veeps.com or the veeps app. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. And I'm Greg Rosenthal. And this is 40s and free agents. The games may be over, but the NFL never stops. This is my favorite part of the calendar. Yeah, mine too, Greg. Free agency, the combine, the NFL draft, pro days, trades. This is where teams reshape their future. This is where Daniel Jeremiah makes his money. On 40s and free agents, we break down every move that actually matters. From my draft evaluations, mock drafts, and team fits. To my top 101 free agents and how real rosters are built, cap space, contracts, and all the tough decisions included. You got quarterbacks on the move. We got teams rebuilding. It's hope season. Absolutely, it's hope season. We'll tell you what's real, what's noise, and what it means for your favorite team. Smart analysis, real conversations every week. I don't know about the smart, but definitely analysis. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Man. Yeah. Ocho, according to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, the Patriots reportedly wanted Max Crosby this offseason, but Tom Brady, eh-eh. Fowler spoke to someone involved in the Crosby trade and was quoted. No way Tom was sending Max to Brable Brady and Brable were teammates in New England from 2001 to 2008 However it seems Tom doesn have any plan on helping his own team Ocho should the Raiders be worried that Tom ties to the Patriots could affect business decisions? No, not really because I think Tom knows what he's doing. He knows what he's doing from a business side, especially trying to do what you can. I think what the Patriots might have been offering for Matt Crosby, they weren't getting in return. I think what the Ravens got, what the Ravens were willing to give up for Matt Crosby, Tom Brady understands what I can continue to build over there in Las Vegas. And he understood that. This is about business now. Whether I want to help you improve or not, are you going to compensate me the value that we need to continue to prove our roster if we're giving away our identity to you? The Patriots probably weren't willing to do that, but the goddamn Ravens were. So if the Patriots have two firsts and the Ravens have two firsts, you think Tom Brady doing business with his old team? that's a great question he ain't helping them now I think it's a situation honestly this is me and like I said I haven't talked to anybody but I can see a situation like what happened with Peyton and the Colts if you didn't know better you would swear Peyton Manning only played for the Broncos because where do you see him at the games on Sunday at the Broncos where do you see him doing stuff with the Broncos he has a statue out in front of Lucas Oil Tom probably will never say this and he won a championship I'm the greatest quarterback ever and you let me know You told me I wasn't good enough It was bad enough when I first got into the league I had to watch guy after guy after guy after guy And you mean to tell me after six Super Bowls After three MVPs After four Super Bowl MVPs I'm not good enough? Funny how that business work, huh? And, and I understand Coach Belichick, but he said, Mr. Kraft, you signed off. You fired him, so you mean to tell me you couldn't override it? You let it get to this? That's just me. That's just me looking at, knowing how I'm going to think? Yeah. That's a good one. That's a good one. That man, hey, that man, you see how he held against every team that passed his ass up. Oh, yeah. Gave him, hey. Put foot still up for 23 years. Gave him hell, huh? Everybody. he did like I said I could be totally wrong but I think there's still some resentment there he will never say it and I get it you always put oh no we're great and you know the Patriots and yada yada yada he's been very very positive about Mr. Coach Belichick he's been very very positive about Mr. Kraft they gave up on him so let that sink in so chat so next time y'all talk about these players and this and that he's on the very short list whether you think a quarterback can be the goat of a league that's neither here nor there we'll debate that a lot of time here's a guy that had an exemplary career for 20 years in new england with six super bowls four mvps three regular season mvps and you know when it comes to clutch we ain't talking about the one that's in your car with a manual transmission we're talking about and when you need something to happen he can make it pop up and they said nah bro you ain't got it no more we're going to be better without you hey so I got a question y'all think that the championship that he won in Tampa Bay is more significant than anyone he's won in New England I wouldn't be surprised if it meant more especially going from one team to another and being able to win it the first year and when stuff like that happened Joe like if you were playing a video game and let's say you just trade one player to another team now you expect to win but to be able to do it in real life to go to a new organization after being somewhere for nine what 20 20 years 20 yeah and people say oh well we don't know what's going to happen did you win in New England because of Bill or was it because of you and you go to the next place and win the following season? When people play their whole career and never go to a Super Bowl? Yeah, but Tampa Bay wasn't just slow though. They was just missing. All the pieces was already there. They were missing one thing. All they needed was a guy that didn't turn the ball over. And I think because they didn't believe in him, he's like, hold on. After everything I've done, y'all still doubt me now? Okay. it was so boy I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when he was with his friends his closest friend his mom his dad his agent his boys yeah cause you gotta realize now once he left that thing unraveled fairly quickly you know if you don't have a quarterback I mean look hold on Mac Jones looked good his first year but you understand why he looked good and what he had to deal with his second year somebody that shouldn't have been appointed that had nothing to do with offensive play calling didn't know what they were doing so it went downhill very fast damn some guys you just look you see that it happens because I don't care how well you played eventually what they do with Joe Emmitt Smith with the Cowboys. What did they do, Ocho? Oh, yeah. Joe, you know that's your team. You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Joe Montana, Emmitt Smith, Tom Brady, Jerry Rice. I can make a case. They're four of the top eight, nine, ten players in the field history. At their position, yeah. Had to finish their careers elsewhere because the team, after everything they had done, I said, nah, I'm good. Yeah. But when a player says, hey, I want out, are you selfish? Yeah, you know how I'd go. Ocho, Joe, the Rams and Trent McDuffie agreed to a record four-year deal, $124 million extension, $100 million guaranteed, making him the highest-paid cornerback in NFL history. The highest-paid cornerback per year. He makes $31 million. Sauce Gardner, $30.1 million. Stingley Jr., $30 million. J.C. Horn, $25 million. Jalen Ramsey, $24.1 million. And Pat Sertan, second, $24 million. Mm. McDuffie strapping like that. What? Hey, he nice now. He nice. Hold on. Hey, ump. Listen, he very nice. He can play inside. Joe, he can play on the outside too. At times, if need be, he can travel. I'm not sure how they're going to use him over there. He's probably not going to travel. I'm sure he has a Pacific side that he likes to play based on what he did in Kansas City. But he can strap. Hey, he can strap, boy. He can strap. I remember I had my wide receiver workshop, and I talked about some of the DBs that were difficult to play against. I asked Uno. I asked Jamar Chase. I asked some other receivers. And obviously, Patrick Sertain was at the top. But goddamn, Trent McDuffie's name kept coming up. he had to deal with along with Denzel Ward and it's the same name that always, when we talk about the DBs it's Denzel Ward, Trent McDuffie Pat Sertain, you know the JC Horns Stingley is always in that conversation too Gonzalez is now in that now you guys, hey they're going to have to do something with Gonzalez I forgot Gonzalez is up too, hey he nice he nice I wish he'd talk a little bit more so the personality You don't get that man to talk out his game Ocho, see you try to get that man to talk out his game No, I'm just saying because That ain't his game That's your game We need that kind of personality to be a little bit more brash a little bit more boastful about how good they are Ocho, that's your game You try to get him to do something like you did Everybody can't talk and play Some people just like to play and let the players do talking for them. You and I, we like to talk and play. And I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do and my players are going to talk for me on top of it. Because sometimes I get too tired to talk, but I'm going to play, I'm going to hit this touchdown on you. I'm doing the work. He nice, though. But that's a really – Listen, that defense improves, which is already good, which is already good at the – the back end was already good, especially last year. But to add that to what they already have, especially with that front line the Rams got, and you get a solid piece at corner, they're going to be nice. I would love to be a fly on the wall at a practice in them one-on-ones with Trent McDuffie and Puka Nakua. I would love to see that. Puka ain't no slouch, man. Oh, they must be got some money. I know Mr. Cronky got a boatload, but it's going to take some more because what he just paid on McDuffie? he gonna have to add about 40 50 more million to that for uh puka yeah is it this year or is it next year puka puka up yeah hey it's puka's fourth hold on this puka third or fourth year puka was a fifth round pick oh my goodness yeah he up he only got a three year deal yeah he up they they gonna have to they gonna have to back up that bridge joe he's gonna reset them even reset the market you're gonna reset the market now i'm curious i'm curious if over there in seattle they waiting on on puga to sign or they're gonna or jsen gonna sign first or they're gonna make json play one more year so he's played three years or four years okay he signed a four-year deal damn they signed that many that signed that long a deal and when uh as a fifth rounder Yeah. Yeah, he about to break it up. Joe, he might get 42 for what? He got to give up, 42 a year? Mm-hmm. 42 a year. Who the highest paid receiver right now? Chase, yeah. We're going to reset the market. that's crazy hey joe it's gonna keep going up too joe it's gonna keep going up yeah hey i don't know if you saw but you saw the nfl tried to redo them tv deals you see that ocho they are get out of here yeah what they want mo hey netflix say we want in oh yeah cbs paramount say hey y'all know we got a good relationship we bought up everything. We put it on any network you want to. You want CBS? Hey, you want CNN? Whatever network you want. Netflix, hey, you know in order to be considered for real, you got to get live events. You got to get a live sporting event. And nothing better than the NFL football. And teams going to pay big dollars for it. And they know that. Damn. Alright, now it's time to play a fade presented by PrizePix. Quentin Grimes 4.5 assists Quentin Grimes He played clean He might be over that Tyrese Maxson hurt his hand Oh yeah It looked like it was serious too Yeah Tyrese Maxson I might go over that So he's going to have to start. I might go more than four and a half. Because if Maxie can't play, that means he's going to get more time. I agree with you on this one, boy. More, more, more. Christian Braun, when you combine rebounds and assists, 7.5. So he'll have at least, when you combine rebounds and assists, at least eight. They playing OKC? Yep. And Denver. damn rebounds and assists ah I might give him more I'm going to I'm going more to uh oh Nikola Jokic more than 27 points more more hey he gonna he's trying to prove a point I got him in more I got him more this game because I think Murray might be out Yeah, right. Jalen Brunson, they play the Clippers tomorrow. Rebounds and assists, more than 10.5. Nah. Rebounds and assists? I'm going low. He'll get a couple rebounds, but not enough to where I got him less. I got less. Keep it with the Lakers, with Jay LeBron. He averaged what? Damn, they playing the Clippers. You going more, Ong? I'm going more. All right, I got to write this down. I think he going to get three or six. He going to get four assists to call after the time and then to pick and roll. That's hit or miss. Yeah. If I'm a bad man, I ain't just like, you know. Dang, Joe, I can't believe you. I'm with you, I'm with you. I mean, he said he's been at 14 over the last four games. So yeah, I'm gonna go more. Oh, Joe, you want more? Yeah, I'm going with more. I'm going with Joe, huh? I like it. Oh, here it is right here. Here it is. Today, he has six rebounds and seven assists. Against the Lakers? Yup. Okay, this is a back to back tomorrow. Back to back. And so y'all expect for him to do this again. What is he averaging? What is he averaging for the year? He's got to be averaging at least six rebounds. I mean, six assists for a season. Five? Yeah, he's probably about six. That's 10. So he averaging 10. He averaging 10 rebounds. He averaged 10 assist rebounds of the season. Six and a half assists, three and a half rebounds. Yeah. I get one more. I get one more. I'm saying more. More. All right. Download the app today. Use code Shannon to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. Prize picks. It's good to be right. Oh, yeah. Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe. What's that? Hey, ask to hear me too, honk? Yep. Hey, chat, what you call a dog with no legs? You call him where he going to, he won't come. Okay, that's a good one. That's a good one, honk. That's a good one. Hey, you like that, Joe? Joe, don't do it. You can't keep getting shit all the time, Joe. Hey, that's a good one. You got two. Joe, you say he thought he had them. Joe, just stick with me, Joe. Stick with me, Joe. Hey, Joe. That was a good one. That was a good one. That was a good one. That was a good one. Y'all with no legs. Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. You cannot say, you know, you can't say, you got to say mobility challenged. Why? Why? Yeah. I don't play about them animals, boy. Well, you can't, I mean, you can't say disabled things. You gotta just say, you know, mobility restricted or mobility. Oh, so if I say what's the hardest part? No, don't say it. Yeah, but if you do say yes, yeah, we're gonna say mobility challenge. Or restricted, yes. Before we get to our super chat, we got a video voicemail from our Discord. So make sure you join the Discord and submit a video of voicemails for the show all right this one comes from panther pride let's take a listen to what he had to say guys what's up nightcap fam um ojo and king ice so down here in south florida just moved here i always watch out you're on right now i always watch uh hey ocho where you get your cigars from. I go down to Miami Cuban Crafters. Sit down there and smoke. I have me a Cuban. Coffee. Where do you get your cigars, old Joe? It's definitely closer to you. It's definitely, yeah. I know about Cuban Crafters. If you're down this way, if you're in Miami, I go to Aficionado Cigar Bar right here in Pembroke Pines. Sometimes I go to Top Notch right across the street in Miami Garden from the Dolphin Stadium. and I don't go to smoke on the water, which is out a little further out there in Weston. Those are my three main spots, but for the majority of the time, really every day, I go right down to the fish and I don't get me a little coffee, get me a little cigars. If you're in town, during the day, you catch me there sitting down there with my cheetah pants on with my feet kicked up. Hey, you got to know how to smoke them cigars now. You don't just get on them cigars and go to the pub. No, no, no. It's an acquired taste. It's an acquired taste. It's just not about smoking them. You're smoking them for a reason, Joe. You're smoking them for a reason. You got to know what you're doing. What's the reason? Okay, Ocho, I went to the Bahamas. Me and some of the homies went to the Bahamas when the season was over with one year. And, man, we had a couple of them Cuban cigars. I'm talking about big, strong joints. You hear me? And we weren't really no cigar smokers like that. Man, I smoked that cigar. Ocho, I woke up at 6 in the morning. I have been passed out about 10 in that night trying to smoke a cigar. I couldn't do nothing that night. See? You got to know what you're doing. Mm-hmm. You know, I've smoked my cigar. They close to Cuba, Tampa Nuggets. You know them Tampa Nuggets, Ochoa? Yeah. Swisher Sweets. Do they count? J-Dub from Akron. ISO until you're dethroned. You got to bang the drums and hit that Ali champ. The champ is here. Doom, doom, doom. All that ain't necessary. All that ain't necessary. Horace Tidwell said, Ocho, check your messages. The Graham sent you a photo when you hopped that CJ2K Celebrate Celebrity Game in 2018. You dropped 12 points on T-Mac. Yeah. Hey, you next, Joe. whoa whoa whoa slow down hey see everybody keep looking at the big three and not understanding that I was handicapped and not being able to do what I want to do but when I played against T-Mac me and T-Mac went at each other the whole game it was just me and him and I was able to score 12 and you know I mean T-Mac like you you know he tall very but once he you know wingspan I'll be like okay it's gonna be difficult to get around him but Joe I'm so quick off the dribble that's the only way and once I lower that shoulder and put that chicken wing on you to create a little space like Melo do on that little midi I'm able to get to my spot Joe like I can't talk the game of basketball but I know how to maneuver on the court to be able to create space Joe that's why I talk the way I do even though it's what you do I'm not going to beat you Joe I just need to score two or three points just to let you know I'm on the same type of time you're on even though I didn't play your sport that's not that's what i'm saying that's not gonna possible we all know that you ain't gonna beat me and my point my point exactly is that i can't let you score no bucket bro i'm sorry i ain't gonna i'm not gonna let you score you're not gonna be able to stop me joe and that's with all due respect i'm gonna score a point two or maybe three joe because i'm so good off the dribble joe I know you one of the best. I know you up for the Hall of Fame. I done seen your ISO game. I done seen you face a dude up and cook him and drop him like he tripped over his shoelace. I done seen it, Joe. I done seen you back somebody down, Joe, in the paint. Huh? Lean back on him and come back out and hit the jumper, Joe. I done seen it. I done seen you pull up, pop, and shoot from three, Joe. I know what you can do, Joe. I studied your game. I studied you Joe I know your movements I know what you're going to do before you even do it Joe I done did my homework that's why I'm talking to you the way I'm doing I'm talking to you crazy because I done studied you Joe and I'm ready I'm ready for the test I'm telling you you hear my basketball talk you hear my basketball knowledge I can't talk about the game but I got to talk about what I can do to you that's the difference I love the passion that you come with Ocho you know it's real cute and what not But you ain't got a chance, brother. I'm going to do this one here for the people, okay? Hey, I'm going to do this one here strictly for the people, man. Strictly for the people, yeah. So, you know, just let you know. Just let you know, bro. But I like the confidence, though. The confidence is top 10. If y'all wasn't with us after the big three retired, don't hop on the bad wagon now. It's been a long 12 years since we went honking. We deserve this. Hold on, who is this? I guess they're talking about Oh, you're talking about the Spurs? Or they're talking about the Heat? And Tim and Tony? Oh, oh. All right, now. It's been longer than 12 years. It's been a minute. They went to the championship game. They went to the Huh? Yeah, but they went to the Western Conference Finals. it was that 20 KD's first year oh my bad is it fair to say Wimby is the best player in the league already no it's not fair to say I mean you can say it but I don know me honestly healthy I not taking him over Giannis right now and I not taking him over Yoke right now And I'm not taking him over Shea right now. He need another couple years. Give him another couple years. But it won't be long. Nah. It won't be long. Thank God I'm black. Can we say happy birthday to my boo Kim? She's been a Bengals fan since I've known her, so go easy on her. Kim, happy birthday, but I don't know what you're thinking. Right. If you're from Cincinnati, or your dad, or your brother played for the Bengals, you ain't got no business to root for. Trippin'. They ain't giving you nothing to root for. Yeah, Kim, Trippin'. Happy birthday, Kim. But happy birthday, Kim. Nonetheless, you deserve this your day, so we're going to let you slide. We'll let it slide, Kim. Happy birthday. Hopefully you did something fun, you know. Bro, I hope you did something fun for Kim. And get a new team. Right. That's what you should have got for a birthday. Keontae Ealy, what's up, Nightcap Crew? Can I get a birthday shout-out? Up from the 9-1-2 from Claxton, Georgia, born and raised. That's what I'm talking about, 9-1-2. Claxton, the fruitcake capital of the world. Claxton Portrait Plant. That's what I'm talking about. 9-1-2. We're not. house. Since the kid, what's up, Nightcap Legends? Pick four sports rivalry. Professional and collegiate to be on Mount Rushmore. For me, Duke, North Carolina, gotta be. Gotta be, Ocho. Ohio State, Michigan. Auburn, Alabama. and either Packers, Bears, or Raven Steelers. Mm. Good ones. What you got, Ocho? I'm trying to think. Hold on. We talking NBA, too? Yeah, you can talk any professional. collegiate. Give me that question one more time. Where's your nightcap pick four sport rivalries, professional and college, to be on Mount Rushmore? Mount Rushmore, rivalries, that's a good one. Duke and, it's NC, right? Obviously. Yeah, Tar Heel. NFL, NFL, I'm going to go, damn, what's the biggest rivalry? Especially right now. Pittsburgh, Ravens, Green Bay, Green Bay, Green Bay Chicago Green Bay Chicago Go Cowboy Giants Is it really a rivalry right now Damn it dominant My bad Alright yeah Duke Carolina I'm gonna go Chicago Green Bay Basketball What Knicks and who Bulls Nah not no more Would there even be a rivalry Y'all talking current rivals? You can pick any. I mean, a lot of people, you know, I see the chat. They're talking about Lakers and the Celtics. But that hadn't popped off since Kobe. But it take you back to what you were doing at that time. Hey, Uncle Joe, baseball, I'm going to go Yankees, Red Sox. Yeah. Ooh. Oh, hold on. I'm going to add one more. I'm going to take it to soccer. Y'all might not know about it, but I got like a half and half. Celtic versus Rangers or Boca Juniors versus River. Now, some people in the chat will understand what I'm talking about when it comes to rivalries. Others might not. What you got, Joe? I'm going Bulls Knicks that was a rivalry in the 90s fellas I'm going my Cowboys and Giants what other sports I got baseball baseball and what you can pick any sport I mean you know you got Federer Nadal Federer Djokovic Nadal you got Alcaraz Center you got Chris Everett and Martina I know it ain't supposed to be funny somebody in the chat said about US versus Iran I'm just Tyron Reed said D Fox really holding it together he's the fastest guy to lead with the ball in his hands that Joe quick man yeah and when he plays well when he plays well Uncle Hocho they almost impossible to beat it's just a nice he don't play well yeah can't quit go ahead Joe what you want to say he can't quit too much TS Car Watch Detail Service How come why not the MVP discussion Explain that You seen their record How come who not MVP discussion Kawhi Have you seen Hey you see their record He got some His numbers look good but The team's success They didn't get him far enough Almighty James Do you value films or numbers more? Do you value film or numbers? Numbers only tell half the story. I prefer film. Even though so many people obviously rely on stats to use as preference or context when talking about specific players. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Film gives you everything you need to see. Everything you need to see. That film don't lie. Eric Jordan Scott. So let me get this straight. Ravens lose two, lose twice to the Steelers this year, miss the playoffs, have multiple roster deficiencies, and they're trading away first-round picks. Ravens are a delusional organization. They feel that they still have quality offense. Look, so that doesn't mean they can't have a draft. That doesn't mean, I mean, basically, yeah, you get a first-round pick, but your team is made. Look at all the picks that they've made. Okay, Lamar's a first-round pick. Who's the other first-round pick? Flowers, obviously. Derrick Henry was a second-round pick. You don't think you can find value in the second round? The free agency, that don't mean they can't get anybody else in free agency. I still think they got some money. I still think they're going to restructure some contracts. It all depends on what's available. We'll start to know more. When does the league year start? Wednesday? Okay. Yeah. Friends to start tomorrow. So we'll know. We'll see what. Yeah. Daniel Wells, I wish people quit saying the Vikes should bring back Cousins. We've been down that road before, and we know what his playoff ceiling is, and it's very low. It's more than just about getting J.J. his yard. You're right. But if you bring him back, why are you worried about him starting if J.J. is your guy? I mean, McCarthy, that is. If McCarthy is what you say, Cousins shouldn't be able to beat him out. So you should be clear. You just got a solid backup on your roster. There you go. Unless you don't believe McCarthy is it. Say it. J underscore cool cat. What's up, gang? Hope y'all doing well. Right now, who y'all taking? Jokic, Wimby, and why? Jokic. Even with the way Wimby's playing though? Yep. Like right now, yeah. Yeah. Right now, I'm taking Jokic. Come back in a couple of years, I might have a different opinion. Damn. Right now? Yeah, old Joe. I like it, I like it, I like it. Hey, hey, Unc. Hey, Joe. What's that? What you call a blind chicken? Oh, what do you call a blind chicken? Blind chicken. I don't know what you call it. You call a blind chicken a hicken because it can't see. A hicken? A hicken because it can't see. The C is gone so it's a hicken because it can't see. A blind chicken. JB Concerts, SS. Who's winning a race between ISO and Ocho? A race? What kind of race? I guess they're talking about a race. Oh, yeah. He probably give me right now because my wheel bad. But if my wheel right... Ocho! Ocho! Yeah, I give him. Yeah. Oh, yeah. See? My... What? So now you can beat me running. Yeah! See, I was very respectful in saying, I can't beat you in basketball. I can score a point. But here you go being delusional. Talk about you can beat me running. Come on, Joe. I seen that one dude hawk you down in that arena thing. What's the little mascot man that be chasing people around the thing? Oh, freeze. Yeah, I seen freeze. Joe, you saw the video. You watched the video, right? Do you not see me jogging? I'm in second gear the whole time. I ain't even open up. He ain't wanna pull nothing. Freeze came and got him though, Joe. I was relaxing. You know what I look like when I'm running for real. I'm just glad and I'm openly striding. I was chilling. But that's the thing. You ain't wanna pull nothing. The last thing you wanna do is have that thing grab. Yeah. I'm a wrap. And I ain't, Joe, Joe, we can't be pulling nothing, man. I'm good. Hey, Joe, whenever you're ready, Joe, whenever you're ready, Joe, I'll give you 50 meters. We ain't got to compete in the knowledge. Oh, yeah, that's what I thought. That's what I thought. Paula Spall's Winthrop University has a homecoming king and a homecoming queen because there's not a football team. Maybe Joe, them football team was bad. They had to switch it to basketball. No, no, no. We had a good football team too. Chill, chill, chill, chill. All right, just checking. Lainey Ray says, damn, Lainey, where you been? and we ain't heard from you in a minute. Hey guys, at my high school in Minnesota, anyone could be homecoming queen or king. We voted for the court and the winners. No one had to be in sports to win. Okay. So, I mean, that's like- Nah, hell nah, you had to be, I'm trying to think. I think, no, you had to be a player. Yeah. Nah, nah, not at- Oh yeah, that's old boy, John. Not at my school, man. You did not have to be, I'm telling y'all, man. I just realized, you know what your school was like? Like the school Napoleon Dynamite and Pedro went to. Hey, listen, listen. Hold on, let me tell y'all something. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, listen. It's a HBO special on my school with D Little Rock Central. Y'all need to go look it up. HBO special? Go look it up. It's a special. D Little Rock Central, Little Rock 9. You need to go look it up. You need to watch it tonight. Hey, so that mean your school was like Eastside High and Lean on Me, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, your school got integrated. Your school with the 90 got integrated, yo? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, see, my school was a school that made it possible, bro, for y'all, for us to, you know, go to school with the whites. Okay, okay. That's dope, that's dope. Ocho, Ocho, real talk. Lil Rock 9, man, go look it up. I'ma check it out. Hold on, let me write, let me put that in my notes real quick. Well, you're going to learn something today. But y'all still ain't had no football team. You had to win. You had to be something. You couldn't be no homecoming king. How you going to be the homecoming king and you ain't play no sport? Hell no. Sit your ass down. We had a football homecoming. So, you know, they got to have a king and queen. Then we have a basketball homecoming. Y'all don't see these colleges have homecomings, man. Mm-mm. I don't know where y'all be at. Vanessa Smith was the first black homecoming queen at my school. Are they talking about Vanessa Williams? Oh, I was the first black homecoming queen. Okay, my bad, Vanessa. I was like, she was the first black homecoming queen. Gee, I don't remember that. Well, we used to have a black and a white homecoming queen, but they cut that out, and we ain't have no more black homecoming queens. Wow. Wow. Wow. Jeremy Alexander, King Joe. When are you going to give Michael Beasley that work? I mean, it can happen sooner than later. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, wait a minute. Let's not do that. Don't get too ahead of yourself. You already got one animal you got to deal with right here. Don't worry about Beasley. Worry about 8-5. That's what you usually worry about. Huh? Because I already gave Beasley that work. So let's stay focused. Let's stay aligned and in one accord. One band, one sound. Okay? ISO Joe and Ocho. I don't want to hear nothing about else. Nobody. Don't bring up nobody else's name. Boy, you making it real hard on yourself. Hey, no. You got the right one, Joe. You got the right one. Okay. All right. Okay. 828 Style. What's up, Ocho and ISO? Yo, ISO. So, them Arkansas State Patrol be having homecoming kings to at the pit a car at 150 miles an hour, don't they? He talking about the Arkansas Highway? Yeah. Man, listen, Georgia Highway, Arkansas Highway, boy, you better stay off them highways thinking you're slick now. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Mauricio Zapata, up your top five tight ends all time. Kelsey Gronk that's what oh he said I am or I must let him know oh I was gonna say I was gonna name him for you Mauricio I'm in there I mean if I'm not I guess I did what I did I ain't too shabby I ain't trading my career for nobody right oh yeah yeah yeah oh yeah I mean look here look I get it I get it I get Shakur wanting to show support for Clarissa I get Clarissa, you know, saying, you know, hey, Roger said we don't know anything about boxing. I don't know. I might not know a jab from an uppercut to a lead to a pull counter. I might not know any of that. I just know a woman's not beating a trained male fighter. That's what I do know. Hatch 135, is it possible to be too cocky when it relates to Clarissa Shields? Because this is not the first statement like this. She's entitled to her opinion. I just happen to disagree with it. I don't know why people get so upset when you, when you put something out, Ocho, it's kind of like when you put something on social media and then when people comment on it, you get upset when you put it for public consumption. Yeah, but everybody's not gonna agree with you also. You're gonna have some people that agree with you. You're gonna have some people that don't. Even those that are on your side, you know, they wouldn't say it publicly. They might agree with you, but behind closed doors, like, come on now. Yeah. Come on, come on, twin. Come on now. uh 28 style A8 Clint Carissa beat you me yeah yeah she'll whoop me boy she'll put hands on me boy you see where I don't want no smoke matter of fact Carissa beat every male in this chat that is not a trained fighter any casual walk on the street yes yeah hey Joe she'll whoop you too Joe hey Joe in that boxing ring with head gear on three minute rounds, she whooping everybody that is not a training fighter. I ain't going. I ain't going. I ain't going. Hey, Joe. Hey, let me tell you something, Joe. Hey, Joe, listen. When she gets your ass in them deep waters, when she gets you in them deep waters and you can't hold your hands up and your shoulders burning because you're not used to having your hands up to protect yourself, you're okay. All right. I know you think about, oh, it's a woman. Oh, I get in there. Nah, boy. It's a different ball game in that ring. I'm telling you. Man, I ain't going. I mean, you may think she can whoop him, but nah, I ain't going. I don't got, man, I'm a granddad. I ain't going. It ain't, it ain't, it ain't. Beating a granddad ain't saying too much. Now, now, I will say this. She called me in my Twitters in the 30s. We have a different conversation. Hey, Joe. Hey, but that shit, hey, Joe, it's different than that ring, boy, with them three minutes on. Boy, you put that head on and that bell ring? I already know. Hey look, I commend boxers bro, but you trying to tell me she can whoop my ass? Yeah. Yeah. Nah, I ain't going. I tell you, when you get tired, it's a wrap. Listen, Joe, ain't no towel. Ain't no time out. Ain't no time out. I plan on finishing her. Hey look, I ain't never hit no girl in my life, but I plan on finishing her before I get too tired. They won't tell you. Joe. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, it sounds easy. I mean, you won't understand too. Get in there, boy. Man, y'all go six foot eight Aquarius. Who's the greatest quarterback to ever play for one team? Elway or Mahomes? And I'm going with seven. Man, what you call Mahomes? They ain't giving me no rings? Steve Garcia. Steven Garcia. Hey, Unc, ISO, if Ocho was the main event card with Jon Jones, who's winning? Man, come on, man. Stop playing, man. Ain't no doubt who the main event card is with Jon Jones. He winning. I wouldn't have signed up for that. Listen, hey, Joe, as delusional as I am, thinking I can do everything, I am not, no, no. Mm-mm. That's too much. That's too much. That's a different kind of animal, man. That's too much. we did okay 10,000 away oh 10,000 10,000 10,000 away from 2 million subs oh man thank you guys for joining us for another episode of nightcap we greatly greatly appreciate that Y'all know who I am. I am your favorite, Unc. That is my partner and co-host. Bingo great pro bowler, all pro. That is Chad Ochocinco Johnson. And the third member of the big three joining us. Y'all know him. University of Arkansas alum, seven-time NBA all-star from the Atlanta Hawks, and was recently nominated for the Basketball Hall of Fame. That is, oh, not Ochocinco. You ain't nominated for no Basketball Hall of Fame. Your ass can't play no basketball. I sold Joe Johnson. 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