Giving It All Back Before the Clock Runs Out | John Dudley | Ep. 443

Okay, got the red smoke. Gun runs north and south. We're up to the smoke. We're up to the smoke. Okay, Captain, we're up to the smoke. I'm looking at danger close now. Oh, what a bad excuse to me. I made it. Get clear hot. Captain, clear hot. You're about ready for another haircut. Are you going to go back to the previous... I am so... His haircut was... It was like Edward Scissorhands, but the person was blind. It was incredible. You would have to agree. Like, I am not overstating this. It was incredible how inaccurate it was to the picture I showed him. You could see on his face that it disturbed him, which to me, as you know, deeply warms my heart and gives me things to talk about. No, I'm so traumatized that I'm afraid to go back and get another haircut. Yeah. It's time, though. It is getting about time. It's getting like almost mullet-like, which I don't really like, so... If I pay for it, will you get a perm? No. Actually, he would suit a perm. He would. With that stash. How long does a perm last? Not long. Maybe like five days. Like, it would go away if you did it. Interesting. We could do it, too. I remember the perm smell. Did your mom ever do perms? Yeah, there were times. My mom and my grandma had times on weekends where they did perms. And that ammonia smell, I still can... It's distinct. It's very distinct. I would say a medium curl. Not like a super tight JC, but medium. I think he would have some volumes. You know what I deeply want to do? I want to grow bangs. That's what I've been thinking about a lot recently. Just bangs? No, you know, like the... It was like He-Man's haircut. I think that's amazing. I don't know what to call it other than it looks like the head of a dick. Yeah. But it comes down and it curls under and then the bangs. Will you pull up a picture of He-Man, please? Not the new movie, which I feel like is going to be dog shit, by the way. The Cartoon. He-Man Cartoon. If you dive too deep in the He-Man cartoon, you're just like, man, how was I missing all this? Yeah, it's questionable. Yes, look at... I think that's what I want. We needed to go get you a little bit... But a little bit... Yeah, I need a little bit more curve on the bottom. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Like, what was the wrestling show? Was Zack in it? In The Guy From the Bear? What was that? Was it Iron... Iron Claw. Iron Claw. Pull up that. Pull up Zack's haircut and Iron Claw. I think this is what Andy's looking for. I mean, the He-Man one kind of nails it. The He-Man one kind of nails it. That's it. I think he'd look good. There we go. I want more volume. Are you sure? Michael, put in 1970s men's haircut that looks like a bell. Just put it in there. I feel like this is going to be a big deal. I'm going to put it in there. I feel like this is going to net what I'm looking for. We need to do a hunt where you're in that. In that. A Bangs hunt? What are you bringing to the table though? Are you going to go Bangs too? Bangs and Bears? Dude, look at that lamb chop. That's like a low rider. Hold on. The one on the right there is that... That's Denver. That's John Denver. Not bad. Scroll down Michael. Have you ever seen the Bee Gees right there? Yeah. Dusty and Jeremy think that I look like that. They're like, dude, that is you in the eyes. They swapped your face on that. They did a few times. We laughed hysterically hard at that. Some of those are pretty close Michael. I'll find the example though. That's what you would look like. If we gave you that perm, you could go Bradley Cooper. Michael, add UK to the... I'm just curious here. Just add space UK. Hmm. Relatively the same. I like those flicks. Those Wolverine looks... Powerful. That would be a good name. That's the last face you see before that dude eats your ass. Isn't that right where your head went? You're telling me that... Oh my God, I forgot I'm on your podcast. Or before he skins you and makes a big mess. I'm not going to be a big fan of you. I'm not going to be a big fan of you. I'm not going to be a big fan of you. Or before he skins you and makes a belt out of your skin. That's where I was going with that. Yeah, where is you like a leotard? What do you estimate? What do we got there? A four inch collared? Look at that thing popping off. That'd be pretty sweet. If you pop that, you'd have so much coverage. Michael, did we miss out by not being alive during this... Like what do you feel like? Do you feel like you missed out at all? By not being alive in the... I was born in 76. I think 68 to 69 would have been the perfect birth year. Because I wish I could have... More participation in the 70s. I wanted to be like on my bike in the neighborhood in the 70s and like getting my first taste of music. But then I wanted to be in high school in the 80s. I don't think we'd be here if we either one of us... Oh, absolutely not. With our personalities and like... Scroll down a little bit more, Michael. That guy has crazy eyes on the right. Just for clarity. Absolute... Michael, not the bottom row. One up and one in. This is a class... This is a combo spock move here. And I am feeling this very deeply. That'd be a good one. What I love about all of this is this would utterly mortify Leah. Because I have... She got bangs, haircut and I had mentioned my intrusive thoughts about bangs recently and she told me that I'm not allowed to do it but then she came back with a fresh haircut and she has bangs right now. And I said, what is it? bangs for the but not for me? Yeah. Michael, save that picture. It would have been nice if you had a palette to work with because we could have arranged that on the way home or I could have done it here. Honestly, it's just a wig. We need to go for a wig. Michael, save that picture. That is the new standard. That's the spock bangs. Look at that. So you can hear well because the bottom of the ear is closed, right? Of course. But also you have enough party in the back a dagger in the middle and I feel like we could round the front a little bit and have it swoop back in. That is the standard. And I feel like he could play bass with that... Dude! Keep going down. So many options there. Looks like a mugshot though. Pinterest is claiming that? Yeah. Arrested, found guilty of being awesome. Powerful chops. Why is the lower ear hanging out? What did we miss about this phase? So you could put an earring in. I guess. Keep going. Look at the choker necklace on that. That guy... That guy... Looks like Trevor. That guy fucks. For sure. Did it not? I guess. This is amazing. This is the best part about the internet. Nah, I guess too serious. He's like a professor. This is exactly what I make myself not do. Is ever type in something that... Whoa! Werewolves in London. Yeah, he's just waiting for a full... He's actually making that face in the full moon on the horizon. Yeah, you can't hide the fact you're Asian. We see it behind the sunglasses. Nice ascot though, by the way. Look at it. He's got a jacket, huge collared shirt. That's like a four inch collar and an ascot. Keep going, Michael. This is amazing. Yeah, okay. That's just kind of a classic. I feel like he's got a lot of feelings. Not a single woman in this picture. What's going on with that? Man. Do you think those pictures are still up, like, in their house? I hope so. God, I hope so. Look at that one. You have to own it, right? That looks like he's got extensions underneath. No, it's feathered. Feathered on top, but with extensions underneath. Yeah. Wow, that's... Man. And then there's me and you just high and tight. I think you can pull that off though. Those are impressive chops. Very. That's more Michael's style right there. That's actually very close to what I have right now. Except for it's substantially longer. Yeah, for sure. And his hair isn't curly. Oh, God. What are we talking about? What are we even doing? I'm on your podcast now, dude. How are you not sick of archery yet? I think I probably would have had my fill if it weren't for the education portion. I just... It's like the further I get down my path, the more I'm able... Luckily, the more we're able to do the things that we like. And there's a lot of time to reflect on what I actually enjoy. So, I just... I love teaching. And fortunately, I feel like I've paid a lot of dues in our industry to where now people are more interested in just letting me have the free reign of what I'm passionate about talking about at that point. Which for me is a lot like your book. I feel like I progress through archery or I enjoy the challenges of like overcoming a problem that I have. And then I can instantly just tell people what I'm doing wrong. And then it helps other people. And I don't know, I just love that. And I love the fact that our community is very organic. So, we have a... People can send in Q and A's. DM's are good. But then when I go to public places like an event, I'm not there for me to shoot the event. I'm really there for those people to be able to ask me questions because that's just like fuel on my fire when I'm working with people. It's problem solving. So, I just really enjoy. I think everything about what I like when it comes to working with brands is if there's a problem to a product, I like finding the solution to it. Or oh, this is really awesome, but why wouldn't you just do this little thing to it? And then it'll be a little different. So, I think that's why I'm not crash and burned with it because there's still an ability for new questions. And if I was only looking for the rewards in myself, I feel like I would probably be out of options because it's like I've hunted a lot of great places. I've enjoyed some really good experiences, competed, went down the road to like metals or materials or monetary. And then as that eventually gets old, you realize like, oh, I have a new trophy but all the old ones are black and tarnished and no one even remembers who won what last year. So, it's just kind of like this repeating thing. But when it comes to teaching and seeing someone find joy in something that I really feel like I was put here to do, that's what keeps me going. And luckily our platform is like, and the more we solidify who we are, the more we're focusing more and more on education. And it's just not nice not having the outside pressure of you know, you have to do these numbers or I have to partner with this brand in order to pay for this. Like all those chains are off now. So, it's just like I'm going to work with the companies I want to work with. I'm going to have on guests that I want to have on even if they're not like the best target archer in the world or you know, or not. You know, I can just focus on what I feel like I'm getting satisfaction of at that moment. So, it's been really nice. You do a lot of work with the brands on the both side. How much better can Bose actually get? Like, what's the next break in technology you're going to be? Because obviously you're going to mess around with composite materials. They've played around with the strings. The cam system seems to be relatively evolved. Like, what is left? Well, mathematically not much. Because all the lead engineers, which I'm, I feel like I'm an unschooled engineer. Like all my engineering has been through the degree of seeing so many prototype phases through my career. But mathematically you're essentially pulling something back which is energy that you're putting in and then that system can only give so much of that percentage back. You know, so they're at this point, they're looking at the efficiency of archery and they're pretty much saying like, right now we're there. Because there's, they're, you know, like hysteresis or system friction eats up some of like of what you're putting in there. So like with Bose strings, there's strings on the cams, there's strings moving through the cables. You know, there's like bearings on wheels. So all that is like system loss. But most of the lead engineers are pretty much saying like, at this point we're only robin peter to pay paul. Like we're either, we're either making a brace height shorter to get more speed because the arrows on the string longer, or if someone wants a bow that might feel better, we can give them the brace height back, but it won't have near the speed. So we're just we're literally like all the buckets have the mathematical things in there and it's just a matter of where the people shuffle something so that that year there's something new. I've said, like I, what I really like about some like high scientific people or high thinkers coming into archery because I know there's, you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of people that are trying to remain silent in the fact that they're involved with like archery or the bow hunting community. Some higher profile people from the backlash or social. Yeah, yeah, they're worried about that. But if you will, but there's some very, very fascinating minds that are inquiring about you know, the sustainment of getting your own food and what that's all about. And I've said when those people like if an elan must comes in, how is he not going to like, if he actually sits down and looks at a compound bow, how is he not going to say, well, why are we doing it like that? But do you think he could even make those changes? I don't know. I think if there's any, I think if there's anybody that could it's, and I'm not saying elan's the guy, but I'm saying somebody who thinks like that. Yeah, someone who's going to come into the industry with a complete outside perspective on that type of you know, on like different materials that are available or different lubricants or you know, a different system and a lot of our like small changes that have happened are usually like some of these engineers that are coming into the industry that are newer that are kind of asking the why have we always done it that way. So you know, there's kind of like the old guard has an old way of thinking. So a new way of thinking is definitely the thing that I think will help propel it because the old thinkers that we have you know, there's only so much that you can think up where you know, you've kind of just used up all your bandwidth for your knowledge. They've tweaked all the tweaks. Yeah, we've we've robbed Peter to pay Paul a lot in the archery industry. It's already at that spot. Yeah, you're just fighting for like feet per second, you know, a few feet per second from one year versus the next. And it's getting to the point now where everybody, there used to be like one or two boat brands that were definitely the leaders and then there was someone in third and then there was a lot of people further down. Now there's probably like six companies that are all they all make bows that I could have competed and won with during like if I would have had that equipment it really wouldn't have mattered the brand. But you know, there's certainly brands that put a better product out to the consumer in the end because they've refined their manufacturing process. So it's just like I just think the what you take out of a box is closer to what a pro would use versus which I think in the firearm industry that's that way a lot too. Like so many of these at a baseline like chassis level. Yeah, they would be able to distinguish. Now you could totally nerd out and start taking it apart and remove an upgrade internal components that only like a grandmaster or ipsic level type shooter would notice like your average shooter like if you take a trigger on a pistol and move it down to about a pound that's actually not going to be optimal for most people because they're going to take their pistol and shoot themselves with it, which is not what you're looking for. But at that level. Yeah, I mean they look largely the same and a lot of the stuff internally is different though, but that's only for that pure competition setting and then that competition gun you wouldn't want to take that thing into like a gunfight or an environment where oh hey by the way it's going to be wet or you're going to be crawling in the mud or you might drop this thing and you don't want it to either a go off or b fall apart. Yeah, so you sacrifice I would say the durability of it for the precision specifically for the one narrow focus of competition. The big positive on that happening from a mechanical point of view because like with archery there's a mechanical perspective. There's a physical perspective that's you know your training and your technique and then there's a mental perspective but and I used to do seminars where I talked about like the trifecta and how you have to at least have two pieces of those pie like very solid because there's always going to be a time where you're leaning on one of those three pillars. So if if you have two mediocre pillars like if mentally you've never worked on that and physically you don't practice you can have the best bow in the world but the weight of that will crush the other two. Versus if you have super strong discipline for technique and practice and you focus on the middle game you can have the crappiest piece of gear that you have and you're still going to outperform people that have way better stuff. But the good thing about the equipment being so good right now in the archery industry is anybody can come in and be good regardless of you know where you're at in health where you're at in age which is really awesome because like there's a program called the National Archery in the School Program which started when I was at my working at my first bow company and you know we just had this vision of getting archery back into the schools because it seemed like you would meet people and they would say ah I did archery one time at Boy Scouts and loved it or some people said we did archery in PE class and I loved it but I never did it since. So this National Archery in the School Program is a program where they teach like everybody has the exact same equipment. They have the exact same targets so it's not like one student can have the cream of the crop they all have to follow the exact same curriculum so there's a level playing field when it comes to equipment and the training but what the numbers that were like really eye opening was during the first part of that process how many like PE teachers, a lot of PE teachers were the first instructors to get certified for the NASP, how many of those people would come back and say our PE attendance is 12% higher than it's ever been because there were so many kids that would have a note not to play dodge ball or whatever you know what I mean whereas with that there were kids that you know maybe they were over weight maybe they weren't coordinated you know maybe they didn't have like a family life that could take them to practices and all that stuff but like they could get good at archery with basic fundamentals they would be on a level playing field with people and if they practiced during the same amount of time at school and that equipment would come off the people that you would that weren't necessarily stand out athletes or stand out like physically they would stand out with that and they felt so much reward from it that like school attendance went up you know how much they were actually coming to school the fact that they went on their first like field trip with other students and interacted socially because they traveled like they were good enough to make it to the state meet so like those aspects are cool that the equipment has got to that level to where if you're willing to just apply the basic fundamentals you can be good at archery like at any age Is it still catching on with the younger generation? Yeah I think so there's certainly like a movement with you know I would say like the the 18 to 28 there's a pretty big movement there because there's a lot of new people that are you know on social media that are active and you know it's a it's definitely a different lens to the bow hunting community and the archery community than what I was brought up through because I was brought up a lot through like you know maintaining the integrity of the industry you know just like loyalty to brand you know it wasn't about if this person gave me this free can today I'm going to all of a sudden start drinking this whereas just yesterday I was using this because this guy gave me a free can that wasn't happening so there's a lot of more in the younger generation there's a lot more switching around which is a little bit different from my perspective but at least there is a newer crowd coming in you know you're in that demographic young Michael do you have a shot at bow yeah I think we had that program you're talking about at my elementary school see yeah do you have any friends that or bow hunters or interested in bow hunting like he's right in the sweet spot of what you're talking about yeah my let's see I have a few friends that are that bow hunt my cousin is really big into it okay but overall not a lot I would say you want to get into it? I would be down I know that might help you get a bow and teach you yeah I would have to practice a lot obviously because it's been forever since I shot at bow it's like just make sure you know where your release is and go out in the field and just point and shoot basically exactly it's exactly what it's like results are phenomenal when you do that well the good thing is now I think with equipment being more dependable because like there were certainly times as our industry chased higher speeds because there's definitely benefits to higher speeds with bows because you know it's not like a bullet like you know you've got cast I mean there's drawback to that though too right like you say in the Robin Pierce PayPal yeah too fast if you get too much speed because you've made the bow unforgiving like in other words you've brought the string really close to the grip so that it has more thrust on the arrow that just gets technically harder to shoot because it's just it's less forgiving you know I don't know an easier way to say it but there's also set ups right now that are just so bullet proof like the string materials better like there was certainly a time where like you needed to have a bow shop close because you know your string would continually stretch and you'd have to go in and get your string rotated so your peep site was coming back correctly and maybe your cam position was changing whereas like the newer cam system the top wheel and bottom wheel are like tied together differently in the cam system to where it's like imagine you know imagine having like a motorcycle where both wheels had an independent motor hard pass like yeah so if that you know if they get out of time you're going over the bars yeah it's kind of you know you just your accuracy isn't there but now they're like tied together a lot better so you don't have to worry about the everyday maintenance it's a lot more of a plug and play sport what about people who do live where there's no great bow shop is it a place where you could probably order everything you need online and like figure it out yourself yeah the hardest part about that is like you have to put the bow in a press to put a peep site in it that's the one thing that separates like a consumer being able to just buy a bow that's perfectly set up that strings don't come in with the peep site or is it just at an average height well if you change the position because the strings twisted like if I moved it down it's going to continually just spiral around so you have to have it you know perfectly straight so you're able you know it's essentially a peep hole like in a hotel door or something like you need to be able to look through the rear side rear side aperture yeah like imagine over there on that baby if you hold the MP5 not a big deal yeah so imagine on the MP5 all of a sudden that rear thing just started to like turn on you and you couldn't re-center it so that you could see your front site properly that's the main disconnect between someone being 100% self-efficient with being able to work on their archery gear but there's so much good how do they solve that? Is that solvable? because again it's based off of your mechanics of the framework that you have as the archer you're going to have to be able to move that to fit your body that's kind of an important piece it is. How come we're talking more about archery on your podcast than we did on mine? I don't know we don't have to talk about archery we can talk more about Michael and his generation and how I think we're fucked because of them we've done so good as our generation the world is in such a good spot right now Dudley this is the environment I have to endure all we can do is lead by example I think you got a pretty good job over there he's just drawing pictures go ahead hold it up hold up your notebook actually not that many do you have any examples of things I've added to your pictures Dudley would appreciate I know what it's going to be he draws a lot of hands oh dick fingers I'm sure no it's like a Lego grip so I feel like he's taunting me to fill in the negative space I gotta go back you haven't messed with my notebook in a while yes because I'm a respectful employer even though you underperform consistently I'm respectful so I'm not trying to hurt you because your generation is so much more sensitive very weak, weak minded I'm really trying here unbelievable I've had some really good ones he wasn't prepared as well as one of your faves it was just like a really veiny triumph and bastard he had really good features like some of the creases on the knuckles and so I appropriately added all the additional details because they didn't want it to like you didn't want it to jar anybody I don't think I've ever been on a trip with you where there wasn't a dick drawn there always should be I think you can make NFTs out of those Michael probably did you ever get into that? the NFTs non fungible token I believe it's the pictures that people were selling uh-uh I saw some of them did you ever get into that Michael? I don't understand what they are but I do believe that the market on that is completely augured which is what I suspected it would do not that I'm a financial advisor in any way but I'm like what are you talking about it's the picture that only I'll have I just took a screenshot of that so now I have it too but it's not real on my phone it's real it looks pretty good to me I'm not going to carry this thing around all the time so might as well just show people the one on my phone yeah we don't have to talk about archery you're like the best archer that I know though so it's easier to talk about that what are you still fired up about like what do you got do you set goals for yourself like three or five year ten year? yeah I remember specifically in my 30s at that time I don't know if it was actually in my 30s or if it was in my late 20s I think it was in my early 30s the Arnold Classic had archery at it for two years and the first ones I think they invited like the top 20 or 40 pros to go so I competed in the first Arnold Classic and I remember seeing Frank Zane and Arnold were both there like watching and I was always really admired like Frank Zane from a bodybuilding perspective and he ended up coming up to me and like was asking me a lot of questions about archery where it became obvious that he he shot archery and he he ended up telling me Arnold and I used to shoot for like our R&R we'd go to Santa Monica High School and we'd we'd shoot archery and he said that within the poundage was on their bow is like 280? no like back then I've got some pictures I've got like a signed black and white just getting a lat workout and just oh yeah you should see Arnold's tricep is crazy it looks like a ham hanging off his thing but Frank ended up saying yeah Arnold and I were just talking and next year we want to have a competition like a friendly competition again and he said of course I want to beat him so he goes you know do you do any coaching and I just said yeah I love doing coaching so Frank and I ended up trading archery lessons for like fitness lessons and so Frank came to my house and it was just an awesome experience because we went through the grocery store there it is I have that original picture signed are they holding the string with their fingers? they didn't have releases back then look at Arnold with his hips cock floored I have that original signed over extended left arm you don't need that thing on your forearm you're sashaying there's your haircut you want we're going full circle he doesn't even have an anchor point no he's a you don't need one if you're Arnold though I could fight a laser pointer I could just totally break all that technique down I only know all those things because that's when I started you're like you look like shit the hip cock floored is so ridiculously common and the shoulder packing if you really want to be at apex level archery what you have to do with all these things is hold your breath I mean that technique right there would actually be like if you did that it would be kind of what not to do right now you can tell he's muscling through it and so that's one of the things about archery that's if you rely on your anatomy so if you're actually set up which Frank isn't at full draw but Frank actually has better technique in that picture his elbow is a little low which his elbow is still low now I think it was like rotator issues but when archery when you're the most accurate with archery is when it's really easy and what I tell people is bad shots are the hardest to make good shots are the easiest to make technique wise when a shot goes off like really quick and you're almost not expecting it because you haven't put a lot of effort in that's when everything was done correctly but when all of a sudden you look like Arnold there and you know you've got like you can see his front hips forward his front shoulders driven back his rear elbow is super low so I mean everything he's doing there is using muscle he's not using any anatomy but if his feet knees hips and shoulders are all in the same plane and if his front wrist elbow shoulders and then if the rear elbow is up about 10 inches higher to where the rear arm was parallel to the front but above it you wouldn't have to rely on all the muscle which is why I was saying like when kids learn proper technique even if they're not super athletic it's you're utilizing your skeletal anatomy to support this bow not muscle like you can power through times but like the amount of tension that's in his whatever that meat is right there in the elbow that's like tennis elbow ready to rupture right there that's the place where you get IVs and he is so yoked that that spot has its own muscle they can put a garden nose in that thing have you seen the hunger games photo with Katniss Everdeen with her bow at full draw which one like the spoof one where it's incorrect no that was the actual that's what I was going to pull up that's the actual poster for the movie let me see it it's been so long but she got she got coached by a decent archer though yeah but the decent archer isn't the person who did the art for the movie that's the biggest problem like an arrow is on the wrong side of the bow well like you know that's the hard thing if you're into archery it's kind of like your tactical assholes go me see here far left hold on that's actually not her it's one of the go to the one two three four five six over this one more that's five carry the one I mean that's a cartoon that's a cartoon yeah there's like the official movie poster and yeah the arrow is on the wrong side of the actual bow itself yeah that's super common and the other thing that's common too when whenever any photographer that isn't an archer the thing they love to do is get an archer in the moment of drawing to where it looks like it's hard yeah the moment of peak tension yeah and it's the worst moment in time to like show what your technique is it's like you know I don't know oh finger over the arrow nice yeah is that right that helps right that helps get the Fletchings lined up yeah especially when the photographer's like hold hold hold and she's trying to not shoot someone standing there shaking like a dog shit and razor blades yeah yeah you could easily do like a tactical asshole segment on archery because I know like in the first Thor it really bugged me when Hawkeye was in the crane yeah and they like pan back to show him like one he's got a he's got like the worst arrow rest you could possibly have to be using in Hollywood and I don't think and the arrow wasn't on the rest either sweet and yeah and he's just sitting there holding and it's like oh he was holding it full draw yeah of course he's ready yeah didn't you say in the Rambo movie they used a tent pole for the arrow that had the explosive tip well so the explosive tip was like a carrying case for the broad head right or something yeah google um google Thunderhead 100 Broadhead also spectacular marketing name like I'll take several of the Thunderhead 100s please they were they were a monumental piece in archery ok Michael has some of those and we're not even talking archery yeah those are different images and let's see if they show any in like they're in their case is this the actual the correct broad head though yeah it's but it was back in time so there's new packaging now but no actually it was it was called a I think look up I think it was called a razor cap yeah type in um or you could just do Rambo explosive arrow do razor cap 100 razor cap one yeah or maybe it was a razor back razor back god this was 30 years ago do razor back that's where you're back um yeah oh well we're getting out we got yeah we're scopes razor back it's been so long since that yeah just do Rambo arrow yeah do Rambo explosive arrow so anyway on these was he shooting a compound or a recurve yeah he's shooting a hoit okay so there's the packs actually right there um but those broad heads so the broad heads came interesting so you didn't slice your fingers open well yeah when you got the box there was a plastic cap over them um oh yeah you can totally see it is the shipping cap go to the second row one image over yeah it was like the shipping one image over Michael and so they literally like spray painted the protective sleeve that was over it to look like the explosive he has a very extreme yeah that was the hoit Rambo dude he has there's a new one coming out extreme list to his bow the top side is really that's Richard Ryan probably replicating it yeah why is every image of him shooting why do you have the bow essentially at a 45 that does not help with accuracy well so back then there wasn't like the rest that we have now like this yeah it was just a side plunger so if you can't did the bow it was like it would keep it on the shelf better well and you know why and a lot of people like so these are like some of the first um these are like some of the first kind of compounds so a lot of the technique previously came from traditional archery where people shot recurve so they can't did the bows a lot you know how it helps with what showing the actor's face yeah otherwise it would be hidden behind the bow itself yeah because if you look at that those are all really good shots of the Stallone's face totally natural by the way too even go up more Michael yeah those would be horrible pictures if the bow is actually shot correctly yeah and like that grip position wouldn't be preferred this point like the full reach around dude that looked like Nicholas Cage have you ever worn a headband practice archery huh have you ever worn a headband while practicing archery um no I've worn a visor which is I think the closest step to a headband did you ever wear like a set of those glasses like the crazy shooters that block out everything and you're like looking because you get oh you guys had lenses though in your peep sights right yeah yeah just and in your front sight you'd have a lens to you I don't even know how we got on this well because we're with you you go down deep down the rabbit holes deep down Rambo is an awesome movie well you're asking me about about like my goals yeah and so only because I'm looking for some of my own so when I met Frank one of the things that he taught me which was really helpful was he taught me that it wasn't it wasn't about how heavy the weight was that you were moving it was about how heavy you made the weight feel so he told me a story about the weight was that you were moving it's about how heavy the weight you made it feel okay so like and he really enforced like slow negatives like the negative count was higher than the positive count so it wasn't like make it feel heavier exactly and so he like told me a story about he was a teacher but he said he used to try like when he was first working out bodybuilding he would travel with like a set of weights in a pillowcase so he'd have like the old like screw on yeah so he'd have a pillowcase with like with like one handle and then all the stacks and then he would work out like with that singular piece so he said you know a lot of times I didn't have a ton of weight that I was having all the time so he said I had to learn how to make the weight feel heavier so he was slowing down the movements and he told me that one of the things he wished he would have known was that when he was younger he wished he would have known that he could have developed I don't know if as much as he said that he had but he just said I could have made lower weight feel heavier and it would have been better for my longevity so one of the goals that he gave me as he said you really need to focus on being in if you can focus on being in better shape at 40 and I think I was 32 or 33 because he said don't try to be in the best shape of your life when you see me next summer don't try to be you know if we meet next year at the Arnold don't like don't let that be your only goal because he said if you look at the long term fitness is going to be a whole different type of mindset for you so he's like I want you to just constantly have a long term goal of being in better shape at 40 than you were at 30 and that was a big one for me and my shoulder got done when I was 39 which was you know and luckily I like was able to recap and have nine months to actually complete that goal which I was but that was a big one was like that was the first time where I had a long Jevity goal now what I'm doing is I really I'm really trying to my long my long-term goal at least for what I'm doing with our archery community and like our knock on platform is I'm really focused on putting every piece of educational content that I've ever created in a current palatable form so that people are able to like go to the website type in can I pull up the website yeah whatever you want I mean I don't want to turn into a sales pitch but just N-O-C-K-O-N archery knock on archery you see how little he cares about what the heck I wonder he's not paid at all he's paid too much okay so like because if he's paid at all that's too much what's cool about our website right now is if you go in here like if you just scroll down there's obviously going to be products and stuff because we do have products that we sell but then again scroll back scroll back up to the top so like up here at the top you can see if you go to school of knock right there so if you yeah just click on that so what I've been really focused on doing is every single piece of filmed content I've ever created which is terabytes by the way oh yeah yeah thousands and thousands and thousands they're all getting broken down and rewritten into palatable forms so now what you can do and you can see like you know everything on the left is mindset everything in the center here is all like bow terminology definition and then everything on the right is like school of knock practice oh that's what you mentioned the hysteresis that's what you're talking about with the bow tech yeah exactly so but if you scroll up now that you're in this section you could go to like the search bar and you could type in like so what's cool about our website is there's actually paralleling we have Shopify or WordPress or Shopify and all that for the store side but then our website parallels a WordPress side to where there is a ridiculous amount like we are reinvesting everything our company's making we're reinvesting into free education for the archery community so like if you put in here like um how to shoot a bow um every single thing is being properly tagged and everything to where you know like you know just it's just all in there you can just type it in and it's all in there and then all these are in blog format so you can you can just dive into yeah setting up a bow for a mouth tab that was um so we're I'm focused right now my short term goal is to build the best education platform as a give back to my industry that you know it's pretty cool that I'm going to be 50 in June and it's arguable whether I'm at like the apex of my trajectory through our entire community which most athletes can't say that you know most athletes you know hit their peak in their mid 30s or 40s and then they're trying to find a path whereas now I'm on the position of all I want to do is I just want to put everything that archery is ever given to me I want to put it back out there for people to have and we certainly have products that make the tools helpful um but I just want to give back as much as I can um while I'm motivated to do it too because like I don't want to be the guy that's 80 years old and still trying to be relevant in the archery community you know my short term goal is to build everything that we can to really support the archery industry in a very positive light um but then I also really want to focus the second part of my timeline on making sure that I will be there for like grandkids hopefully or like even now that our son you know he gets married next July you know I missed a lot of things that I regret to like build the career that I built yep um and I don't want to like force that for a past where I feel like it needs to go naturally so I'm just trying right now to utilize what I've boiled down as like some of my best partners people that just really see this and appreciate it like um MKC for example um you know they were like hey we really want to bring forward you know an archery type thing would you be interested in you know devoting time for like a full series for us to be able to break this down and I'm like yeah absolutely whereas 10 years ago there's no way I could have committed to that project because you know and I think we're both on the same thing of you realize there's a fine line between travel and like a healthy family life and so like you know I was tipping that scale in an opposite direction for a long time which you know it's hard to know whether or not you'd be where you are if you didn't do that um but I think if there's one thing that I would have done differently was I would have said no more often than what I did you know it's tough when you're in the grind it is did you talk about well you talked about like minimizing things in the book I talked specifically about saying no I feel uncomfortable looking at myself for this amount of time well it doesn't mean that the audience Michael go back to the next can you do like chat GPT he can but hold on first go back one page because I'm going to show you the item that scares me the most out of all archery items scroll down there it is that's the hinge release I hate that fucking thing I've seen so many videos of people punching themselves in the face first off I've never attempted to use one of these things because it scares me so badly I actually have a few videos of like some archers that when I competed there were some guys that I didn't really jive with at the time you know obviously changes a lot of those mindsets but I have like some vintage video of people those guys punching themselves in the face at an event like you know like misfiring can you misfire that sometimes I look at it you should but if a pro archer can misfire that in a tournament I have no business being around that in my backyard it's actually scary to me how many people like practice in their backyard without any it's almost like with archery people don't think it's a gun where it can go far arrows can go far you put an arrow like in the neighbors roof about like yeah the face would be bad I remember well my dad had a bow like rambos but I couldn't pull it and all I had was a little red fiber glass bow and I wanted to shoot my dad's because it looked so cool it looked but when he was gone what I realized is I could pull it with my feet so I would sit on my butt and I would pull it back and shoot it into the thing in the backyard and then of course it gravitated yeah and then it turned into like a friend saying like I wonder how high it would go you know which it goes really high and then it lands directly in the top of the roof of a house like four houses down and like every day I came out and would like look and see that arrow over there I'm just like when does someone get a notice that thing I have a memory of when I was younger I don't think we had a bow but we had an arrow and we would throw it up in the air as hard as we could and then not look at it and we would just run around as if we were to come down the thing is it just weeded out so many random dumb people like when we would do that stuff. I'm still sitting here so yeah it didn't weed out that many but yeah really shooting a bow with your feet that I haven't thought about that solves the problem though. It did if you're not strong enough it squats yeah well we're going to chat GBT so do a chat GBT just ask ask chat to send a picture of Andy and just say can you put the best 70s bang, bull cut, haircut on him do one of Andy follow Michael I got the picture I'll send it to you right now do one of Andy and then one of me and we'll like let's see what this thing dishes up that'll be excellent I'm sending you Michael actually this never really works I'm just going to text it to you you have your phone Michael? I'm just going to text it to you so one of the questions or I shouldn't say one of the questions but one of the things that I that I kind of hope happens with your book is that you're you're going to be able to write a book what happens with your book is there's a there's a really needed message in there about people that are struggling to like reach out to friends not the easiest thing to do yeah but like from your community I feel like that's one of the messages that you need to make sure people understand is in there because I feel like that's going to that could potentially help more people from a major problem than getting the classic hilarious Andy Stumpf a lot of people want to go to the chapters where you've either did a military mission sorry there's none of those in the book well I mean you there's a singular skydiving story which I've talked about on the podcast but that's it well I don't know you talk some about like you know when you got shot you talk a little bit about that yeah it's like hey got shot laying on the ground end of war story there's not a whole lot there I mean it wasn't some crazy ass yeah it's definitely not it's definitely not a war story but I feel like some of the discussions about like when you're in a dark place mentally I feel like that's a really important part of this book to come forward for people that are in that same position I would like to say that I think it helps but I don't know if it does like I'm not the first person from that community to talk to other community members and say hey man like I'm here for you you're not alone and I know you're not either but the battle you're fighting with is the person's internal monologue with themself and they probably would tell you this is the most common thing that I think happens if you said hey do you have somebody that you could reach out to they'll say yes I think I do well why don't you do that why don't want to be a burden for them that's the thing that they put in front of themselves so they know that there are people out there that care for them but they convince them that even though the people care for them if they were to take them up on what they have readily offered to them multiple times that it would somehow be a burden or that they didn't really mean that they were just saying that yeah so it's there's a national suicide hotline and suicide is talked about pretty openly in the military now in the military communities and it's not you know what I mean it's not having as much of an impact as I think that it should maybe those just aren't the right tools but people do know that there are tools out there like if you go online and I've not that I've ever googled suicide online but I've looked at statistics and things like that if you even throw in a rough Google search in most AI platforms or into Google specifically there's even proximal to that one of the first things that spits out is the anti or the suicide hotline like it's like hey buddy we'll give you the answer you're looking for but also you're not alone you know what I mean it's getting people to use those tools I don't know how you do that my hope is that by me talking about my own experiences I've never been suicidal by the way I'm not trying to say that that's in the book but dealing with my own experiences and the impact and benefit I've had and I talk about it openly on the show all the time of talking with counselors and therapists at times in my life not consistently but at times I needed to the impact that I had I hope that that lets people have the internal conversation with themselves like well maybe if this person is doing it then I'm not the only person that feels this way because they know most people know that there are tools out there I just there's some gap between knowing the tool exists and taking the effort to actually utilize the tool and reach out I don't know what that secret sauce is I think I personally think because there's times where like we've talked about our circles getting smaller I think you start to realize especially when you have something to offer you have a platform there's a lot of people that come with their hands out rather than like hugs coming there's like a lot of hands out and then once you start to encounter that a lot you feel like it's not a two way street there's more giving than getting so at some point you have to make a decision of is this positive for both people and if not you cut it off and sometimes when you're making those decisions especially when you care for people or you like people and like them as a person but they're just not positive for the direction you're having to go with your bandwidth at the time when you cut them off sometimes you know that leads to sadness because you're you know in a way it's like am I backing out on a relationship but you know you also have to do what's best for like your longevity of time so it's for me when I read the book and got to hear about someone else's feelings that way and how you digested them it was a nudge like it was just a nudge to say like hey maybe it's okay to open up a little bit more to a friend you know and sometimes which you know for you like as I was reading the book it was sad for me because I was remembering like I remember those times for you and I remember at times as a friend I felt like I was reaching out but then like I start to question like did I reach out enough to answer that for you yeah like 100% you actually reached out probably more than anybody else other than direct family but also a lot of people didn't know what was going on in my life and I'm not trying to be obscure about this we're talking about when I was going through my divorce um no it's some people aren't close enough to know because obviously you're not gonna you know you don't feel like you need to well and not everybody should know even if you're part of your life is existing on social media I am a fan and supportive of showing your good days and your bads but also sometimes you just need to work through some shit before you know what I mean like I don't need to like hey guys just go on live real quick walking into a divorce proceeding you know deuces again like live your life if you want to like that but maybe also sometimes put the work in to get the thing done and you know not everything has to be shared right um and so a lot of it I think was it was more me taking a step back like you I don't know if you could have reached out anymore yeah you ended up showing up in Montana one time you guys tried to surprise me but of course I saw your reflection in the mirror because you can't sneak up on me actually it was a window not even a mirror yeah it's basically Jason Bourne it's not a big deal um but yeah man I it's uh it's interesting getting older I think it's I think your social circle is supposed to change yeah I'm not the same person I am now getting closer to 50 then 40 than I was in my 30s 20s or my teens I'm just lucky to survive that yeah being totally on this actually probably up until my 40s I'm lucky to have survived but if you're into different stuff and doing different stuff how could you not expect to have a little bit of drift yeah especially as you find your way into new endeavors that you then you end up liking a lot yeah so then you spend a lot of time with it does that mean that you value those other people less no yeah it probably means that your life has gone in a different direction and most people's lives are going in different directions as well too I don't think there's any like you're not trying to hurt anybody's feelings yeah that's what I was telling you like before we started I always remind myself you know don't don't apply malice where incompetence is probably the better answer and I don't mean incompetence from your friends it just means they're probably not trying to hurt your feelings they probably just have their own stuff going yeah which is a tough one though when it's hurting your feelings to remind yourself of that yeah but it's complex man yeah you know is the most powerful word I have my vocabulary right now though what no oh yeah it I just I don't have well I have the same amount of time right we all have the same 24 hours even though I did see an Instagram video and I bet you Michael could pull this one up I live my first day in eight hours then boom I'm on to my second eight hours and then boom I live three three days in a day and I'm like listen I'm not a math genius but I do know how it's three it's 24 but that's still oh god Michael's the best hit play on this shit yeah he's compressed up and I'm not crazy you're crazy thinking it takes 24 hours just like some dude in the cave did 300 years ago my second day starts at noon and it goes till 6pm that's day two and I'm next 6pm to midnight what I've done now is I have changed the manipulated time I now get 21 days a week stack it up over a month I'm gonna kick your butt stack it up over a year your toast stack it up over five years my entire life is different than it would have been otherwise so I measure time I've compressed it so a few things one 300 years ago would be the 1700s not a lot of people were living in caves right so let's maybe because you used math farther on into this video maybe we should we should counter that a little bit and maybe make sure our reference is accurate but this person is psychologically insane yeah that's a very different way to look at things you know it wasn't mentioned in any of those three days that he lives sleep so I guess he just is awake I mean I get it I'm glad that he's enthusiastic and I bet you this guy sells a multi-thousand dollar course online where you can learn how to bend and manipulate time as well I know nothing about this person I'm not well I am talking a little bit of shit but it's not it's good-hearted it's medium-hearted in nature yeah I definitely think there's there's a real credibility to having understanding the best parts of your day where you're the most efficient at decision-making the mornings or tackling tasks yeah and then when you realize you start to fizzle off I think if you realize what those you know those sections of time are if you're trying to do something that that needs a lot of bandwidth or decision making during a time where you're really not at your peak you're not you're going to take much longer to make decisions or you're going to come up with ideas instead of solutions which I'm the master of like I see every task is like how to problem solve versus just like the chalkboard at your house making the making the decision of solving the problem right then you know but there's definitely different times of the day where you're in or out of those states more or less so I think you could benefit from realizing what is the most productive you know six or eight hours of my day and that's the times where I need to schedule the most important meeting well reducing distractions in your life by saying no to things too that maybe are interest you but they don't serve where you're at in your life at that time gives you more time and bandwidth to devote to those things yeah I just again we all have the same 24 hours regardless of the video that we just watched which he just took the same 24 hours and divided it by three so congrats on that one with no sleep not that I there's no food in there so by day four does he sleep for day four five six and then he goes back into the I don't know how you answer that yeah it's it's pretty crazy though you know if you have a hundred things that you need to put your bandwidth towards that's pretty tough to perform at a high level against all of them yeah if I can reduce that to ten that are really important I can probably get that done pretty effectively yeah and honestly at this point in my life man I just want to have to me the quality of life for me has shifted a lot towards just experiences with people that I care about far less on things which I think I was maybe enamored with more when I was younger the whatever maybe like oh I got to get fill in the blank I wanted to have fill in the blank and now it's like ah if I had a choice between spending something on something or doing something with people I'm going with the experience yeah a hundred percent of the time I started writing more stuff now like I do a to-do list every day and like if I'm in the kitchen it might be on the chalkboard if I'm in there and Sharon's like hey you got a the guys need you to do this this and this I'll like write it on the chalkboard and for me it's satisfying to see myself cross something off and then if someone happens to call me and ask me to do something like when you're able to physically look and say like I can't do that today when you don't have an actual physical list to look at it's harder for me to like remember every single thing that's according to priority but it also lets you it lets you physically cross off the things or at least like even if they're not written in order you might look at it of like oh crap if I don't do this by two o'clock like that that person's not even going to be at his desk anymore I have to do that now and yeah for me the list has been huge yeah I never really got into the list thing probably would be beneficial writing it down for me helps me remember and like I said the biggest thing is when someone else asks me to do something you get more going on than I do though like you're running like a massive business you and Sharon are still like on the steering wheel on that thing well Sharon's on the steering wheel I'm like I'm on the pegs you know because I still do like the things that I do for our brand I still do for some other companies as well so you know I have to make content for the benefit of knock on archery and that's where a lot of my content goes but then I also do content for other people who have been you know partners of mine or people that you know that I enjoy working with I have to deal with that as well but the list for me has been a big one is actually like writing it down and that's why I have chalkboards like everywhere like every single one of my rooms there's a chalkboard to where I can like see it and if I have it on my phone I can write it in there and it just helps me it helps me know when to say yes and when to say no what are you going to do after archery like what are you going to find fulfillment with? Guitar I think like Do you think you'll hunt until you're physically not able to? I don't know I don't know because I really really enjoy hunting and I don't want to say that I'm never not going to hunt but I also like I'm also getting to the point where and I think I've been to a point where I'm not hunting for trophy purposes you know I'm hunting for you know I just feel like that's a part of my DNA and it's something that lets me clear my mind like you know during deer season for example most people would not think sitting 13 hours a day for 3 to 4 weeks in a tree would would be fun I only know actually one person that thinks that way but okay but like that's the one time where I know every year I can have time to think about writing and it's like we talked about white noise if I can get rid of the noise to where there's just you know I can hear like waves you know I really like I really like the beach we had gone you know I think it was like 45 years before I had ever gone before I had ever traveled on a vacation without a bow case you know because like at one point Sharon's like we can't go to the beach or archery but then they give us a cool 3 days off and you see that as a family trip like we need to just go somewhere those are very different things you know and so you know I did that and I realized like Holy Crap like to be able to just turn my phone off tell everybody I'm gone to just like you know go there and find it hard to be unwind to unwind when you get into that environment or can you slide into it? The first few times yeah because I was always like I was always like so go you know like when I started out traveling you know I think I think I'd gone through like three passports by the time I was 37 and I told people I've been everywhere in the world but seen none of it you know and it's like a lot of the world looks the same if you're just like popping up at a destination and all of a sudden I'm like hey I'm in Kalispell but I'm doing this and then you're going to take me to an airplane and then tomorrow I might be in you know Australia but it's like Hotel, airport, rental car, archery range yeah you're going to like you said you'll travel the world and have seen none of it because all that shit is so similar it doesn't even matter where you are so I think that was ingrained in me a lot like you say you know you were molded like during your team days of like you know you just you couldn't quit you know you didn't complain about nothing you just like you're so programmed that way to where I was programmed for like archery is like travel work bang this out you got another one tomorrow travel work bang this out travel work bang this out or you know it'd be like go to work I got you know 412's I got to bang out so I can get on a plane being another country tomorrow compete for due days get back here be on the phone for 4 hours for you know 4 days for 12 hours get back on the plane Thursday travel to another event like you just get to the point where it's like if you cross something off the list you just know that like where's the next thing so you're never like you're never looking to breathe you're looking to execute and so it probably took like two vacations before I realized how to change that and now it's to the point where like when I do a vacation now I almost want to purposely disconnect harder it's if you've never done it you know if you're someone that's just driving especially if you have someone in your family that's telling you like we need to have family time force yourself into like trying to do it once because once you do it a few times you're going to actually realize how much you need that disconnection and how much you need that reset like I for me a guitar is the one thing that I really regret not learning when my brain was spongier because like right now I love I love drilling and like I have a guitar that I travel with all the time like on all of our I've taken it to I've taken it to every vacation I've ever gone on like I just I have it in my case so I like open that up I've got like a GS mini in there and flip flops and swimming trunks packed all around it like two nights worth of decent clothes but like that's what I travel with and I just love the fact of like that thing tells me when I forgot about archery just like you know what we talked about it's like if I'm sitting there trying to do basic things with a guitar and I'm fumbling around and it's just like you know like I don't want anyone around me to listen it's apparent that I haven't detached and I'm not really in like vacay mode yet but then all of a sudden when I realize like we're out there on a beach and you know Sharon's talking to me and you know we're having just like fun in the sun and also I'm like playing I'm like dude you're like here you're in this moment right now the only problem is like I think with me being older my brain doesn't soak in what I learn so I almost spend more time like you know if I learn a song that's awesome if I practice it constantly I can almost like play the song without like having to like read it in tabs but then as soon as I learn the next song for like one or two weeks I'm like how like what was the even the rhythm or strumming pattern to that previous one so now it's like so much of my brain is either absorbed with archery and I can't flush it out but it's like I have this really small cash for learning something new and it doesn't have the ability like I'm just not absorbing a lot of it which I you know I regret that part because I feel like I'm getting the point now or as I see you know 50 and 60 I want archery to remain fun but it also like I know deep down I've got to pull the throttle back on it you know I want to do the things that I enjoy doing but I can't do it all the time and for me that next thing is like family time I really enjoy the beach like I've enjoyed like we went to Sedona Sharon and I and like hiked a bunch of the vortexes and stuff really really like that this is on your call-through list she is shockingly enough my sister and daughter and my daughter by the way shares my location with me on life 360 she knows where I am she blasts through on 2 out of 3 podcasts if I if I call her back what's going on I just want to see what you're doing like you see him in the podcast exactly where I swear she's just messing with me I think the key to staying young mentally is though learning those new things yeah it's a imagine how non-existent your cash would be if you had never picked up the guitar yeah and had never tried to expand that volume yeah it's it's again archery to me jiu-jitsu aviation you can't master those things so it's like this lifelong journey of learning yeah and there's always like not that I've ever done any recurve stuff but if you're like okay you know what like the compound thing what I'm the best to them ever going to be go pick up a recurve boat guess what you're starting over you know what I mean so you there's these little offshoots yeah aviation is kind of the same way like rotary wing okay cool like I'm flying this helicopter I understand this ooh let's put a long line on the bottom of this thing and see if we can move stuff with any level of accuracy precision you want to talk about a totally new thing that you have to learn yeah and the aircraft is going to fly differently and your power settings and temperature and alt and all those stuff like to me that's fascinating not that I would ever like I'm never going to go start a business trying to long-line stuff and I actually haven't done any long-lining stuff in the helicopter but these are things in the back of my mind like maybe in a year or two I will go do that not because I want to do that professionally it's just a challenge yeah I just want to learn yeah I want to end and learning something that is like tangential to something that you already do often times you highlight stuff that you didn't even know you didn't know about the core thing and then you can make that even better yeah and I love that and that those are the things that interest me the most the stuff that seems to be simple not that I could give you an example of anything in my life that has been simple but they just it doesn't interest me yeah the complexity is actually what I enjoy well and learning to recognize the different layers to things you know which that that's kind of an art in itself too like you have to you have to explore enough levels of things to realize there's levels above levels and then that's when you start to get so embedded and deep into it like I'm fortunate because there's a lot of musicians that really like archery and bow hunting so country ones also well the person that got me into guitar was mark from kicks you know he's actually the basis so mark came to learn archery came to the house he was actually in like that that one oh one thing I did a three part series with him because he had never learned archery so it was like teach archery but he asked me like is there anything that you like regret and I'm like you know I I love acoustic guitar I just really regret like never doing it and mark actually sent me a black tailor and said you're you're always gonna have a regret until you just freaking do it you know he's like just just just start doing it so that's that's what I did and then you know I kind of built that into my routine of when I know I want to turn off archery I'll do that or if I get up in the morning and I'm thinking too much about like if I feel overwhelmed with what I have for the day I'll normally like turn on an app and just take like a 30 minute you know lesson or something with my guitar but like and I've got way more guitars than I should have with my ability to play but I look at it as those are actually like reminders to me when I can see something that is something I haven't completed as a task that really motivates me to like want to do it so I have like guitars in most my places too and it's like I have end goals of like I know what that particular guitar sounds like from this artist and I want to like I want to learn at least that song with that guitar because it gives me something to like continue it to strive for and it's also like at least for me it's a concert reminder of why not to stop doing it because it's like you haven't even really cracked the surface of it so I like that I like the physical reminder and then you know every single one of those songs just has one little nuance that one of your hands doesn't know how to do you know and you recognize like as you do it you recognize like you know like a hammer on a string it's like oh that gives a whole new detail to a chord and you don't start to recognize like how much this artist actually does that and then the real eye opener is like our buddy Wes you know loves... That's right if I got any loves guitars. Yeah loves SRV and he's a... Is that a brand? No, Stevie Revolve. That's a brand. Yeah it is actually. Okay. But like Wes can freaking jam but I didn't realize like how quick he can move until I see him play now that I'm learning to play and then when you see a song where you're like oh I've heard this Metallica song forever and I like it seems like it's pretty simple and then you start to move through it and you're like holy shit this is like this is in a different stratosphere than where I'm at even though I learned the basics. If you can play a guitar does that kind of broadly apply to other guitars as long as they have the same number of strings? Yeah I would Okay. Yeah. For sure but you realize there's like different ways to play it. Yeah for sure. It's like with archery there's... You can have different technique but you know it's a stringed mechanic that you know you can't really you kind of have to do the same thing which is what's cool about it is when you learn to shoot in the same freaking hole you just realize like holy crap at this point I am a robot. Michael's a musician. He prefers more wind instruments though. Oh skin flute? Yeah. First year. I do actually play guitars for sure. Yeah. Nice. Did you play instruments growing up? Yeah. Obviously the recorder Hot Cross Buns. Of course. Yes. Were they still doing that shit when you went to school? No. No. Do you know the song Hot Cross Buns? Yeah. I feel like I could still crush that on a recorder. Could you? Probably. Let's be honest. It's not that complicated of a song. You need to get a recorder and actually just say like after this podcast I'm going to try to do this. How many of those records do you think we made? Because I feel like it's going to sound like you on that alcohol that time. First off, I have an instructional video out if people want to learn. What fucked me up is that you were making me laugh before I was executing the perfect alcohol which that just unhinged the entire thing but I think you were laughing because of my previous attempt. Yeah. I knew what was coming. Did chat get this? Oh yeah. Kind of. It didn't quite chat. The AI stuff is kind of good. That's not even necessarily. See, that's weird. That's not that bad. It made you like incredibly handsome. Yeah. You look like a you look like a chiseled out Chris Pratt slash Jim Miller. I was going to say Chris Pratt and Jim Miller. Like this is obviously not what Andy looks like. 100%. I couldn't grow that mustache if I tried. I feel like I need to be the one to be tackling this. Scroll down, Michael. What are those pictures of? Oh, that was from I was trying to do thumbnails for some videos and it just wasn't giving me what I wanted really. Hold on. Let's have a little chat about this thumbnail. What thumbnail were you trying to create there? This one? This was with Let's have a little talk about what you were up to. I'm forgetting his name but when he climbed up to the water tower. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dr. Dice. Yes. Yeah. Well, that's what you do when you're on meth as you climb to the water tower with your barbecue. Scroll down some more and let's see what else you got. Now I'm fascinated. I think the ones, I don't think there's much before this. Oh, I did that one. Yeah, that was you. Yeah. Cool. I was trying to see if I don't know if I have a picture of you without a hat on. Probably not. What is the, in all of your time in archery, what's the wildest successful archery shot you've ever seen? Either hunting or in a comp where you're like, no fucking way that just happened. Like one of mine? Just the craziest shit you've ever seen. Like the wildest you would have never bet on something happening, happening. Honestly, the shot that I can think of was I had a I had a guy over from Denmark. He was a hell of a competitor, but we were friends and he was actually one of my accounts when I was in charge of like international sales and he had never hunted in the US so we invited him to come hunting and we had antelope tags. So we went out and we were like just scouting for antelope and we had came in the week after another group of hunters. Well, we ended up like coming around this corner and there was an antelope there that was like lame. You know, he was not in good shape and it was one of those things where a lot of people think hunters are just like ruthless, bloodthirsty assassins, but like you don't like to see things suffer either. And it was one of those moments where like even though it wasn't like a trophy antelope or anything, everybody's like we need to like we owe it to that's the one. We're going to go ahead and do the right thing. We need to do this. So anyway, I get out and I'm like, you know, ask this guy, do you want to do it? And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it. So we ended up like stalking this thing for a while and then it goes in this it goes in this canyon like between two big like, you know, it's like in this saddle and there's literally one pine tree and it goes down and it's like just standing under this one pine tree and there's no way to like approach it. It's an antelope, it can see good and everything and I just said he's like, I wish I could just, you know, we just need to like put that thing out of its misery and I go like take a shock because if, you know, if we put an arrow in it, like that's going to be it. It will accelerate the process. Yeah, yeah. And I said at this point, like this is kind of hit or miss and we discussed it for a while and it was one of those deals where like I looked at a site, you know, I like looked at the gap and like we positioned ourselves to where there was like no wind or anything. We positioned ourselves for that thing was like right under the tree of the trunk of the tree and I kind of like plumb bobbed an arrow and like we sat there for probably like 45 minutes talking about like just to write math mathematically. Yeah. And we literally like on this huge pine tree ended up picking this one pine cone. I'm like, dude, I think if you like that could be it and he's just like, all right. And I mean and this is like a world class archer too. And so he draws back and I mean, you know, he's like at like 40 degrees or whatever sending it into orbit sends it and it came straight down through the top of that thing like literally straight down and I had it in the spotting scope, but it like went through it and the arrow like sticks in its ground and like as it like drops like the arrow came back like up through it but it was like down instantly and just the pure like shock of like holy crap. That was like a one in 10,000 thing. Not something I would, you know, it's not a story I'd promote, but this was a situation where it was like we were all focused on like let's just, you know, let's do what's right here. So that was one of them. Then there was don't forget our antelope hunting. The only time I've ever gotten one with the bow was with you. Yes. Not the same type of story. We'll leave that one off air. Yeah. And I remember there was there's been a few people that have been with me on random times where I've just like had some miraculous shots. This one guy had actually been there for like three times where I did this where I had like made just kind of a crazy shot and I ended up going to California for an event and we were in a van. There's a bunch of us and we get out and the parking lot is like across the canyon from where the archery targets are and there's an archery target called a birdie, which is like about the size of a quarter. It's about that big. I'm sorry, that's a target? Yeah, they're called birdie shots and they're for like 20 meters or less like you shoot them from 10 to 20 meters so they're just small targets like the size of a quarter. And we get out and this guy's like, all right, 100 bucks. He's like he's like, okay, target two over there is like the birdie shot and he's like and he's like, I'm gonna put 100 bucks on Dudley. He's like, I've seen him pull this crazy shit off and so like we all take our best guests at the distance and it was still one of those things where like, you know, you're kind of like plum bobbing and you're kind of thinking about the calibration of how much your site is growing to get to 100 yards and now how do I double that or whatever. And then how do you aim into the sky? Yeah, and then you're like picking something on the horizon, you know, to like if there is one or a cloud or you're or you're like holding someone hold the plum bob at a very specific place to where you can like aim on the edge of a feather and anyway, like I literally, I don't know how I did it, but there was four of these birdies on this target and I said, well, which one? And he's like, hell, I don't know. Let's go bottom left and I freaking put an arrow right in that thing. How far do you think it was? It was like it was between 100 and 200 yards. I don't remember the exact distance but it was it was just like one in a million shot. Chris Pratt and Jim Miller. We're gonna have to, I'll I'll get a haircut done up for you when we promote the podcast. I support that. You think Jim Miller is going to keep fighting? Yeah, I think he's got one coming up. Um, he's such a cool dude. I love Jim. He's awesome. Yeah, he's got one coming up. I wanted to think it was coming up this maybe in May or something. He talked to me. May 9th, Jared Gordon. Wait, what? Jared Gordon May 9th. There, I was right. Okay. He's coming up. Yeah, such a savage. Yeah. I love Jimbo. He that's definitely his chin right there. He needs to take credit for that. The top left one looks basically like Jim. You think that that one looks like the top left one? I think so. Yeah. I think middle or bottom right bottom right. But the top left the eyes to me look more like Chris Pratt's looking at me. Like if it's just the eyes. He's surprisingly tall. He's taller than I thought he would be. Just momentarily at a UFC event. Oh yeah. He was very, very tall. I mean, not to me, but... No, well nobody is tall to you. I mean, I'm six foot tall. You're six four, right? Or six six. Yeah, he's more athletic than I thought he would be. You agree with that? Like he is... I've never done anything athletic with him so I have no idea. Yeah, he has a very athletic frame. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Seems to be a nice guy. I don't know. He hunted for... I remember that one year they took him up to the wild... What is it? Wild country? Wild river? Whatever they prefer to be called. Did he ever hunt after that? Or was that a one and done? Or is he just quiet about it? Yeah, he's quiet about it for sure. That sucks that people... He loves the outdoors. He loves fishing. Yeah, loves the outdoors. You know, really likes all that stuff. But yeah, that's a bummer. Yeah, that we live in such a judgmental society that I mean, he obviously the optic on him is ridiculous. I don't think anybody could survive that level of scrutiny for clarity. Yeah. But I enjoy the fact I can put up successes and failures and largely just about everything that I'm doing and I just like, hey, this is who I am. Yeah. Well, the more transparent you get, I feel like the bigger the bigger your platforms got to because I remember like when we first met you were... I felt like you were like intentionally avoiding topics of your former career. You know, it's like you... If we were in environments where people wanted to hear like, SEAL stories or if they wanted to... Oh, I'm still like that. They can go hear those from somebody else. Yeah, you were very about like, I don't want to do that. I don't want that to define who I am. And I think the more you've been transparent on the stuff like who you actually are, it's like people are actually getting to realize who you are. That was... That's what I took away from this book is I felt like it was pretty courageous for you to put faults like that out there and then be... You know, you were super straightforward and honest about it because I know who you are and there's things in there that if someone would have said like, you know, what does Andy do wrong or, you know, what's an issue with Andy? Like, that's nothing I would... How much time you got? Yeah, but I would never... Like, these are things that I would never, like, say. So the fact that you, like, put it all out there and like you said, it's not like this is a hero, you know. It's more like a water slide? Yeah, yeah. You just like keep going deeper and deeper and you're kind of leaving a room for coming out the top. But who knows, you may just keep going deeper and deeper and deeper in the next one, which I think... I didn't feel like there was any other way to write it other than that. I mean, there's no value in BSing about... What's your favorite story out of this? Like, what's your favorite lesson? I mean, the most impactful one for me is the chunking your goals. That honestly has been like the most impactful. The one that I learned later in life, the value of... You met impactful for like, actually getting positive results from an action. Achieving whatever it is that you want to achieve in life, like actually chunking your goals. The one that I learned probably the most recently in my life was the value of saying no. And then paying attention to people when you do say no to them. And see that I really do believe that that's when the real person comes out. It's not when everything is going their way. But favorite story in there? I have a love-hate relationship with that tandem story. I meant... Yeah. I meant topic more than like the particular story. I don't have a favorite topic, man. I don't feel courageous about anything I wrote in that book whatsoever. To me, like I said, it's the only way I think I could have actually put it... I was going to say pen to paper, but that's 100% not how it happened. It happened on Microsoft Word. Yeah. God, it would be hard to write a book, pen to paper. Because I don't know how to spell for shit. I really rely on that squiggly red line that's underneath it. Um... Is there anything now that it's been out? Is there anything that you wish you would have added in it? No, I think I could have edited it until it... Yeah. You know what I mean? At some point... I was wondering that. At what point do you just say like... I think at the point you don't remember what the original thing said. Yeah. And you realize that if you keep editing this it's probably... you will probably go on this journey from suggested edit, whether it's grammatical or content, and then you make the edit, and then it comes around for again, and you make another one, and then the next thing you know you've edited it back to the original edition. Yeah. I think you have to stop that cycle before it gets full circle. Um... And so that... I mean, that was one thing with the publisher. It went through three editorial reviews. Two of those were for grammatical. Let me tell you, I don't know how to fucking use a semi-colon. Yeah. That's one of the things that I learned. Yeah. Also, pluralizing some words I didn't know that they were supposed to be pluralized. So thank you for this. Like Mies? Miesies. Miesies or Mies, plural of Moose, Moose-Sai, is another one that I've messed around a little bit. I don't... Nobody knows what the right answer is. Um... And then... And these were like just professional people though. And again, there are... There is a typo in there. It's not a typo. It's a... There were two. Yeah. Two and it's... Is it a typo or is it a correctly spelled word that's applied in the wrong spot? Right? So it's not necessarily a typo, but it is what it is. I've found them in many other books and it is what it is. And for many eyes that got on it, in addition to mine, it happens. Yeah. Um... I tell people they should expect a typo for me every post. I'm like, listen, I'm not... If I make a post, I'm... Yeah. Blurting out what my mind's thinking and there's gonna be at least one to two grammatical mistakes in a post. So like learn to expect it. You know, the best part about it is being done with it. And getting to a place where I feel comfortable... I was actually sitting here. I finished the last words that I put in in like the little final period. And I was sitting in this chair I remember thinking, I think that's it. And then fired it off to the editor and everything became a revision off of that. That was the coolest part. Not like, oh, thank god I'm done with this, but... Yeah, this is reflective of who I am and what I believe. Much like podcasting, man. I had upload on these episodes. I don't know where they're gonna go. I get some crazy emails from people that found the podcast at a time in their life or like a Friday episode where somebody's asking a question and I'll give them an answer. I've almost always been like, listen, this is just my experience. I'll answer your question because you asked me, but also solicit for other advice. For this, I don't know where this is gonna end up. I don't know. To me, the metric of success has nothing to do with sales and everything to do with getting emails like, hey, man, I actually found your book and I listened to what you said and I tried it and it worked. And my life is different now. That will be the coolest part of it. There's undoubtedly several things in here to where if anyone is in that frame of mind where they're kind of looking for a piece of motivation or sometimes just not necessarily looking for motivation but like having it revealed that you're not alone in certain thoughts that you're you know, that you're kind of embarrassed or don't want to burden people about talking about. There's several of those situations in this book to where you immediately give a remedy to help them through that. I feel like you're gonna have an influx of that from this book. I wanted to give you a hug when I finished it. I remember sending you a message from like 30,000 feet or something that just said like, hey man, really proud of you. Very touching and I love that you've put this forward like this and then I think I said like, I hope I was there enough for you too because like, you know it's hard to see that but that transparency is why this is gonna do well because you're not like you're being very vulnerable in the book. I can appreciate it. I just feel like I'm being myself. I don't have the energy for some alternate personality. The coffee shop is interesting. I will run into people and I'm in and out often but I'll always sit and talk with people for the time and almost always be like, man I didn't know what it was gonna be like when I met you but you're just like a totally normal person like you are on the show. I'm like, yeah dude. I'm just living my life for a couple hours every once in a while. I sit down in a chair and I'm just still the same person. You know, I'm not anything different. Yeah. Alright, we're gonna go pre-flight the old Helly so we can get down to MKC and then I think Leah wanted to go to OpenMad and choke some bitches for about an hour. So I brought my G2. Basically I just make sure that people are behaving and I'm like, I get the next role. So fucking dead. Well, you enjoy that. I'm gonna have some coffee. Sweet. Alright dude. Come.