How Did This Get Made?

Last Looks: Return to Oz

42 min
Feb 6, 20264 months ago
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Summary

This episode of How Did This Get Made focuses on listener corrections and omissions regarding Return to Oz, revealing behind-the-scenes production details including George Lucas's involvement, practical effects innovations, and copyright disputes with MGM. Jason Mantzoukas joins to discuss his Broadway show 'All Out,' Taskmaster Live appearances, and his recent anime viewing habits.

Insights
  • Copyright and trademark disputes with MGM forced Disney to create a visually distinct adaptation of Return to Oz, requiring significant licensing fees even for elements like ruby slippers
  • Childhood nostalgia significantly influences adult perception of films, with listeners defending Return to Oz based on childhood memories rather than objective film quality assessment
  • The original Oz books are substantially more whimsical and less dark than the 1982 film adaptation, suggesting the movie took significant creative liberties with tone and content
  • Behind-the-scenes production involved major industry figures like George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, and Francis Ford Coppola advocating for the director's vision after initial firing
  • Practical effects engineering for creature performers involved extreme physical constraints, with actors like Michael Sudan limited to 2.5-minute intervals in full suits
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Topics
Return to Oz film adaptation and source material fidelityCopyright and trademark licensing in film productionPractical effects engineering and performer constraintsChildhood nostalgia bias in film criticismGeorge Lucas involvement in Return to Oz productionBroadway production audience demographicsTaskmaster Live touring format and host selectionAnime television series quality and storytellingFrank L. Baum Oz book series adaptationsMGM intellectual property protection strategiesStreaming service content availability and licensingLive performance energy and audience variationQueer representation in children's literatureMarvel Comics adaptations of classic literaturePublic library digital media services and access
Companies
Disney
Produced Return to Oz in 1982 and held rights to adapt later Oz books, navigating copyright disputes with MGM
MGM Studios
Produced 1939 Wizard of Oz film and maintained strict copyright protection over character likenesses and ruby slippers
Amazon
Currently owns MGM Studios and its intellectual property portfolio including Wizard of Oz rights
Marvel Comics
Published faithful adaptations of first six Oz novels in 2009 with cartoonist Scottie Young
Lucasfilm
Referenced for archives containing Return to Oz production materials and practical effects documentation
ILM
Likely involved in visual effects and creature design for Return to Oz production
Henson Company
Involved in puppet and creature performance for Return to Oz through Jim Henson's team
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Largo
Los Angeles venue hosting Dinosaur Improv comedy shows and live performances
Tubitv
Streaming platform providing exclusive access to Date with an Angel after removal from other services
People
George Lucas
Flew to Japan to support director Walter Murch after Disney firing, advised on production and creative direction
Walter Murch
Director of Return to Oz who was initially fired by Disney but rehired after industry support
Steven Spielberg
Flew to support Walter Murch after Disney's initial firing of the Return to Oz director
Francis Ford Coppola
Flew to support Walter Murch after Disney's initial firing of the Return to Oz director
Frank L. Baum
Original author of Oz book series that Return to Oz adapted, known for whimsical rather than dark tone
Michael Sudan
Trampolinist who operated TikTok character from inside suit, limited to 2.5-minute intervals due to physical constraints
Tim Rose
Performer who operated TikTok's head and also played Admiral Akbar and Howard the Duck
Pons Marr
Performer who played lead Wheeler and also performed in Theodore Rex
Brian Hansen
Son of Jim Henson who voiced and co-performed Jack Pumpkinhead and directed Muppet Christmas Carol
Henry Selick
Director of Monkey Bone and Nightmare Before Christmas who worked as storyboard artist on Return to Oz
Ed Brubaker
Comic book writer and television creator who clarified that Return to Oz's asylum opening wasn't from source material
Jason Mantzoukas
Co-host performing in Broadway show 'All Out' and discussing Taskmaster Live hosting possibilities
Sarah Silverman
Co-star in Broadway show 'All Out' with Jason Mantzoukas
Craig Robinson
Co-star in Broadway show 'All Out' with Jason Mantzoukas
Heidi Gardner
Co-star in Broadway show 'All Out' with Jason Mantzoukas
Simon Rich
Writer of Broadway show 'All Out' featuring Jason Mantzoukas
Sam Raimi
Director of 'Send Help' film recommended by Jason Mantzoukas as phenomenal recent cinema
Billy Bob Thornton
Star of Landman series praised for scenery-chewing performance and controversial cold open scene
Rishi Keshe
Host of Song Explorer who recommended anime series Apothecary Diaries to Jason Mantzoukas
Quotes
"We have been doing this show for a very long time and you all lost your freaking minds over us, shitting on this. And I will say it again, bad movie."
Paul ScheerOpening segment
"Stop being but hurt is what we're saying. You're complaining. Everybody loves every movie we do."
Jason MantzoukasCorrections and omissions discussion
"The books are way more full of whimsy and fun. Alfred Baum is poking fun at capitalism and industrialization and stuff like that. Each chapter almost feels like it ends with a punchline."
John from Texas (caller)Listener corrections
"I think whoever wrote this movie went through electroshock therapy and I think the movie did not want to be there in the first place."
Zoe (13-year-old caller)Listener corrections
"Landman is 100% my cup of tea and I think if you like the sensibility of our show, Fearless things, you will like this."
Jason MantzoukasTelevision recommendations
Full Transcript
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And I will say it again, bad movie. But anyway, let's hold that thought because this is a movie that discord user Dr. Guts 1003 thinks should have had the tagline, Deus Egg Machina. All right, Dr. Guts, get back to surgery. Big shout out to Andy Jacobs for that opening theme song. If you have an alt movie tagline, submit it to us on our discord at discord.gg-hgtgm. And if you have a last looks theme song, go to hgtgm.com and click submit a song on our homepage. Remember, keep them short, 15 to 20 seconds is best. Coming up on today's episode, you will be hearing all of your corrections and emissions. And by the way, there are a lot of them if I haven't already alluded to that. Yes, we will be hearing all your little thoughts about return to Oz and how it was so great when you were a fucking kid. Well, guess what? You're an adult now! Anyway, then Jason will join me to chat about performing on Broadway, doing Taskmaster Live in New York and give us some TV wrecks as well. And lastly, as always, I will reveal the movie for next week's episode. Dinosaur improv is back in Los Angeles on February 28th. Nicole Bire is sitting in with us that night. Edie Patterson will be there. It's going to be a great night. Get your tickets now. Go to Largo-la.com or just go to our How To Disgit Made website or my website, whatever you want. And make sure that you head to Jason show in New York. Jason, tell them about it. All right. What's up, idiots? Guess what? I will be appearing right now through February 15th on Broadway. That's right. I'm in all out the Fantastic Simon Rich show with the band Lawrence, the other great people in it are Sarah Silverman, Heidi Gardner, Craig Robinson, and guess what? How did this get made listeners get an exclusive discount code? Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, here we go. Just go to alloutbroadway.com and use code all out pod, ALLOUTPD. That's all caps to get up to 20% off tickets. Come see the show. It's an absolute blast. E-Shit. All right. That's all the plugs we got right now. So let's get into it. Last week we talked that length about return to Oz. We had questions and we might have even missed a few things. Here's your chance to set a straight fact check us if you will. It is now time for corrections and omissions. Corrections and emissions. There's no need for permission. You got it. It'll run. So we wrote down this song. Creations and emissions. Thank you, Andrew Winston, for that theme song and now. I take a deep breath as we go to the discord. Sean McBeer writes, I noticed in the credits a special thanks to George Lucas. The reason for that is about five weeks into filming Disney fired Walter Merch as director. George Lucas was in Japan at the time. Fleuda London to Vouch for Walter. Steven Spielberg and Francis Ford Coppola also flew to support Merch and he ended up being rehired within a week. But Lucas stayed there for a couple weeks to advise and make sure that Merch was set up for success. Now there's a little bit of insider information here. But I don't have where I got it from. So just believe me or then do the research for me. I believe that a lot of the crazier ideas are courtesy of our man, George Lucas. So basically George Lucas came in, advised, said go crazier with it and then was like not mine. It kind of makes sense. Anyway, Joe's writes TikTok who on top of being incredibly fun to watch and that I do agree with was also a marvel of practical effects. TikTok was operated from inside by a trampolinist Michael Sudan who, according to director Walter Merch in order to fit into TikTok, would put his legs down into TikTok's legs and then he would bend over looking through his legs through his thighs and then he would cross his arms across his chest to operate TikTok's arms. Furthermore, the heat inside the suit combined with being upside down meant Michael couldn't be in there for more than two and a half minutes at a time. There are some great pictures of this on our discord. You can check it out. It is truly an impressive feat. I actually got to see TikTok live when I visited the Lucas Archives. It was awesome. Now let's go to the phones and hear some more info on TikTok, the robot from Liz in Wisconsin. I'm Paul Junin Jason. This is Liz and I just listened to your return to Oz episode and thought I would share something brief that relates to another episode that you guys have done, which is that Tim Rose was the guy who operated the head of TikTok. I guess there was like two different people who ran him and Tim Rose also was Admiral Akbar and also was Howard the Duck. Just wanted to share that. Have a good day. Well, look at that. Some true amazing, I would say, Lucasfilm history or like they're all nursing, but Banta tracks will probably cover all of these. That's how I knew this much about return to Oz. Honestly, it must have been in Banta tracks. I imagine ILM was involved or something. Anyway, I don't care that much. Here's some other things we didn't mention about the show. The lead Wheeler is played by Pons Marr, which was also the in-superformer for Theodore Rex. That's the dinosaur. Remember that? Jack Pumpkin had was voiced and co-performed by Brian Hansen. That's Jim Hansen's son who directed the Muppet Christmas Carol and also is in charge of Puppet Up here in Los Angeles. If you've never seen Puppet Up, check out Puppet Up. My cousin performs in Puppet Up and she is amazing. Monkey Bone and Nightmare Before Christmas Director Henry Selik was a storyboard artist on this film. Well, look at this. A lot of great people involved. And that's the thing. Visually, there's a lot of cool stuff. It just is a mashup of horror images. John from Texas, what do you got? Hey Paul, didn't even finish the Wizard of Oz, the Return of Oz episode before I made this phone call because there's so much talk about how this movie is dark because that's how the books are. But I've read these books to my children and they love them. I've read the first four books and I got to say the books are way more full of whimsy and fun. And Alfred Baum is poking fun at capitalism and industrialization and stuff like that. Each chapter almost feels like it ends with a punchline. And while some of the creatures are maybe a little creepy like the Jack Pumpkin head, they're not, I said they're not really portrayed that way in the book. They're more goofy and bumbling almost like the scarecrow was in the original movie that you all loved. Dorothy does not come from an insane asylum in the third book, which she goes to Oz and all these things as movie happen. She's on a trip to Australia with her uncle and she gets thrown overboard and sails to Oz and then yeah her chickens start sparking. A lot of that stuff does happen but I think that the movie, it's a much, much darker tone actually than the book. I think the book is whimsical, silly and has some maybe creepy concepts. But other than that, this movie is a darker turn. And if I may, I just want to say one last thing, when I was eight years old, I saw this movie on TV and I told my family about it and none of them believed me. They said there is no sequel to Wizard of Oz. This is before the internet. This is back in the 90s. They had knee convinced that it was my fever dream that this whole movie, they literally told me, I think you just dreamt it up. You know, and I think you dreamt it up and I was gassed for years. So I really appreciate it when I saw this on my feet that you guys covered this film. Thanks guys, give up the good work. See, I love this. I love this. Yes, the books are supposed to be whimsical, but you know what, sometimes we're reading off a research, we're putting stuff together, we're giving people wait for it, the benefit of the doubt. But now you're taking that away. So we have to say that our original opinion stands, this movie is trash. Matthew from Atlanta, what do you got? Hi, I am part way through listening to the Return to Oz episode and as someone who grew up reading the Osborne books, I really need to push back on this idea that the movie is super faithful adaptation of the source material. There is a lot of visual faithfulness, it's fun to see characters, it looks like the original book illustrations, but in terms of tone, no, no, the books are not this dark. There is peril in the books from time to time. There is weirdness, a lot of weirdness, but it's all in service of the adventure, on the place you want to go to. And the villains are not like horror villains, like the wheelers in the book wind up admitting to Dorothy that they can't actually hurt anyone because they have no hands. The lady with 30 heads who is separate character from Mommy is sort of a villain for a little while, but she's mostly just being in lazy. And then the gnome king is a tyrant and he is a trickster, but he's also like a little pot-bellied guy who acts like a scaredy cat around to eggs. He certainly never tries to eat me one. And then the plot is a mismatch of the two books plus some original ideas, Oz would never enruins at any point in the series. I just mostly, I don't hate the movie, I like the movie actually, but I don't want people to pass on the books because they didn't like the movie because really the movie is doing something very different from the books. And I love the books. Thanks. Bye. Okay, so wait, it's visually faithful, like in the sense that, okay, so that's what I'm saying. Everyone's disagreeing. I get the idea. Basically, they took all these characters, they threw them into a blender and we couldn't really do what MGM did, which I totally understand. And it was a, it was failed from the start. Can we just agree on that? It was failed from the start. It was not what we wanted. And yes, you might have liked it because when you're a kid, you probably wanted to see a sequel to your favorite fucking movie, but it wasn't truly a sequel. And guess what? Let it go. No, if you love this movie, great. You love it. I respect you, but you can also understand as a rational human being why it's not good. Anyway, we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll be back with more of your return to Oz phone calls. There, there's more. Stick around. Join Midnight Casino and discover a whole new world. With hot slots, jackpots, live casino roulette and blackjack at the ready. Come and play your way, get 100 free spins when you spend 20 pounds on eligible games. Search Midnight Casino or download the Midnight app today. Midnight Casino Dunbatta, you decide. New customers only, restrictions and supply. 18 plus, becomelaware.org. Okay, still digging through the calls here. Spencer from Chicago, what do you got? Hi, Paul. This is Spencer in Chicago, the first time call I have, but I am the guy who sent you the GeoStorm water bottle just after COVID. With regard to return to Oz, I think as a law professor, I think they had to make the movie to look as completely different as possible from the 1939 Wizard of Oz, probably because of copyright and trademark law. The 1939 movie musical was produced by MGM Studios, which is now part of Amazon. Disney may have had the rights to use the characters from the later books in the on series, but they never had the rights to use the way MGM depicted those characters in the earlier musical with Judy Garland. So Disney in the 80s probably had to decide to avoid copyright and trademark issues by dressing Dorothy completely differently, different kinds of wing monkeys and presenting a whole different kind of tone and style and visuals as much as possible to avoid either having to pan G. M. or get into some kind of beef and litigation over the intellectual property. So that's my desk. Yes, I hope that helps. Thanks so much. Yes, I alluded to this earlier that they could not actually use the images from the MGM film. So this is actually really an interesting point of view. Danny the wall on Discord actually added that the Wizard of Oz copyright lawyers were infamously litigious and their likenesses of Dorothy, the blue gingham dress and the more familiar scarecrow would be too close for comfort. In fact, the original book never had Ruby Sippers. They were silver instead, but copyright over the Ruby Sippers was guarded so tightly that Disney had to pay a large fee to MGM in order to use them, which could have been up to a million dollars. Back then, a lot of money for them, damn Sippers. You didn't even need them. Honestly, you didn't add that much. All right, let's hear from my two Vera people in Seattle, Aaron and Zoe. Hey Paul and Jason, if you're here, this is Aaron. My daughter, Zoe, 13 years old and I watched Returns of Oz. It was quite disturbing and I do feel we would be remiss on how to just get made family if we didn't mention that this truly could be a Jacob Flatter scenario. She either got the electroshock and died or she died in that river looking for a child who wasn't there. Jason, I know this is going to just really hit you in the wrong spot, but I think you've got to acknowledge it. Now, Zoe has some thoughts to hear. I believe whoever wrote this movie went through electroshock's therapy and I think the move did not want to be there in the first place. He didn't know one of your life and they did him dirty. They did him dirty. That's from a 13-year-old. Thank you so much for everything you do. We love the podcast. Have a great day. Aaron, I am going to do you a favor and not tell Jason about this, not because I don't want to embarrass you, but because we already recorded that section of the show and I didn't know about this. And I would tell you that if I did tell Jason, you go eat a dick, but Zoe, I agree with you. This movie did the move dirty. Amen. That's the shirt. Dana, what do you got? Wow, still morph calls. Hi, Mrs. Dana. I did want to address the animal talking in Oz. So in the book series, Dorothy visits Oz more than once and along her journey, she brings Dakota, of course, the chicken, Belina and a kitten and your recap, the kitten and the chicken both talk when they're in Oz and Toto doesn't. But eventually in the books, you find out that Toto can talk in Oz, but he just chooses not to. All right, thanks for the pod. Oh, in Remind June, anybody that likes return to Oz may not be a red flag. She likes grease too. Give it a chance. Bye. Whoa, what a hilarious to the guy. It's almost a dungeon crawler carl, but reversed. I love that Toto is like, yeah, I'm not talking. I can, I can, but I won't. Now that's an attitude. Mav on Discord adds that Toto was conning everyone. Seriously, you could talk all along and chooses not to so that everyone takes better care of him. It's a huge grift and Dorothy doesn't figure it out until book eight. Whoa, I love that she figures it out. What a funny, weird, like thing to make your dog a dick. Back to the discord. Johnny Unusual writes, Princess Osma is more interesting in the books. She's a lead character and raised as a boy named Tip with no knowledge of her lineage at the end of the book. She discovers that she was always a female. She may be the first example of a trans character in American children's literature. Wow. And Johnny Unusual continues by saying, I'm curious if there's any evidence to the contrary. Now, Mav again, pops and Mav has been a real winter here. I am an English lip professor who mostly deals with popular culture and Osma is often pointed to as a pioneering trans character in children's lip. It's hard to say if she's the first, but Osma is definitely seen as very important in queer studies. Wow. Now that is, now, now I'm interested. Now I'm getting some information beyond this shit show of a movie. I love this. Okay. And lastly, we have an email from Joe Walker who writes, I really enjoyed your return to Oz episode, but the film actually wasn't very faithful to the books. Okay. We got that. Paul and Jason, as comic book fans, I think you'd both appreciate the much more faithful adaptations of the first six novels that Marvel Comics published in 2009 with artwork by the incredible cartoonist. Oh, Scottie Young, that's awesome. And they may now be out of print, but they're easy to find and well worth tracking down. They rank with Darwin Cook's Parker series as the best prose two comics adaptation ever published. Wow. I didn't even know the Parker series was in that way. I love that. All right. Thank you, Joe. So many great corrections and omissions this week, but there can only be one winner. And honestly, the person who killed it this week is Mav for bringing in it all back together. So Mav, you are a winner. And you know, we have been gifting our winners with songs for a while now, but we thought it was finally time to reward you with something a little bit different. That's right. Your corrections and omissions from now on will be brace yourself because it's all the way from Kansas. We have Bolina the chicken is here to award you with your prize. That's right. A freshly laid egg, Bolina. The mic is yours. Baka. Thanks for having me, Paul. I'm so cool and excited to be here. And Mav, congratulations. Time for me to squeeze out your prize. Here we go. Oh, I should have eaten more fiber. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wait, really? Mav, enjoy this beauty of an egg straight from the pooper and Paul, don't worry, I'll forgive you for signing out as a downgrade from total. I know you were just a yoke. M'gah, gittin', yoke. Well, back to Kansas for me, bye bye. Well, thank you, Belina for stopping by and Mav, don't worry, we've already have your dress and our producers got well-melio that egg overnight before its boils. Alright, remember folks, if you want to chime in with your own thoughts about the latest episode and maybe win our real egg of your own, hit us up on the discord or call us at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K. Alright, coming up after the last break, Jason Stiles by Furchette, and then we'll announce our next movie. Search Midnight Casino, or download the Midnight app today. Midnight Casino Dumbair, you decide. New customers only, restrictions and TNC's apply. 18 Plus, BeGumbleAware.org Thriller Disclosure. Thank you, Midwest Shakes. Jason, welcome. Obviously, very heated this week on the show. People love Return to Oz. Heated, you could say, a heated rivalry between us and the fans, apparently. Yes, they seem upset based on what you're telling me. You know, I have a feeling that what's happening is this selective memory that we have as children. Like, we look back and we go, well, but I liked it as a kid. We are watching you coming in with nothing. No baggage. I find that this happens a lot. Like, when I talk about goonies, I'm like, you got to watch it. To be like, yeah, it's fine. I'm like, what? Fine. I feel like people get butt hurt when we do a movie that they decided when they were kids was good. Yes. And don't have any ability to look at it any differently. Other than, it's a little bit like June and drop dead Fred. It's a little bit of like, there are movies that meant something to you at a time when things really were meaningful, you know? And I think for a lot of people of a certain age, this movie, whether it played a lot on TV, or it was something that was they had on VHS or DVD, I feel like this movie definitely meant something to people in a way that it didn't for any of us. No. As a matter of fact, our good friend, Ed Brubaker, the great comic book writer, television show creator, criminal coming out on Amazon Prime. Cannot wait. But basically wanted to chime in as well, just talking about how all this crazy stuff at the beginning, not part of adapting the book, you know, he said that all that stuff was just kind of made up for the 80s. And, you know, he said that, you know, basically nothing in like, it really is like a game of telephone of what the sequel's worth. So this wasn't a closer reading of the Frank L. And we talked about that a little bit already. But I love that Ed was able to jump in there and, you know, and just kind of set the record straight because I think a few times we're like, well, I assume this is what it was like. I assume. Yeah. And maybe this is how I felt when you guys decided to do Conair, which I think is a great move. And it's like, but it's, but I can also look at Conair and be like, this is crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. You know, and I think that because I mean, and again, maybe it's just because of childhood and you don't want to see the thing you loved in childhood, poked at or prodded or looked at in a different way by adults. You know what I mean, we're looking at this as an adult viewing. This was, I mean, have you ever seen it? I don't remember. No, I don't think any of us had ever seen it before. So it's interesting. Stop being but heard is what we're saying. You know what? We look at things. Yeah. That's it. Stop. You're complaining. Everybody loves every movie we do. You know, like I feel like, right? Didn't this happen with space jam? Were there a ton of people who were like, space jams? Oh, yeah. Space jams. Why did you do space jam? Space jam is number one in Chicago. People were angry about space jam because they're like, well, this was my movie. Exactly. Just space jam have cool costumes. Absolutely. And we all like, you know, bugs bunny out here. Here's the thing I've learned with my kid. They like crappy stuff and I don't try to sway them out of it. Like at one point, my son was like, I don't want to watch the old space jam. I want to watch the new space jam. And I could honestly say both terrible films. And but yet he felt that the sequel was so much better. This is also a child who did say to me, Dad, I'm not watching anything earlier than 2000. Oh, my God. Which, it was kind of funny because I think about this, you know, if my parents tried to show me something that was 25 years old, I'd be like, no way. Am I watching that? Was that black and white? But I will say one of the things that I think about all the time is I watched older movies all the time because they were all that was on. Well, right. Okay. Sometimes you had to watch an old movie because it was pre-VCR or pre-DVD. And you only had whatever the movie channel was playing, whatever channel 56 or channel 38, whatever was on, I watched it. You know, like I didn't grow up with my three sons as a TV, as a contemporary TV show, but it was on every day and I had to watch it. Oh, watching, watching Happy Days was not a choice. It was just what it was at the five o'clock slot. And I was going to watch that because different strokes is on after it. And that's the show I really like. And that was it. By the way, you're on Broadway. How's it going? Oh, it's so fun. I'm having a blast. I've never done a show like this before. Eight shows a week. Crazy. The band Lawrence, that's part of it, is incredible. Really great. I love them. Sarah, I'm doing it with Sarah Silverman and Craig Robinson and Heidi Gardner. They're all murderers. Everybody's so funny. It's a blast. Let me ask you this question because I think you and I talk about this a lot. But now you get to see it in a different way, which is audiences are different. Like and you could be doing the same show or an equal show. So and you are doing something that is not improvised. It's Simon Rich, brilliant writer. But do you feel that energy? Or sometimes you're like, oh, this crowd is just not into it. Sure. Yeah. I wouldn't say they're not into it. I think the difference is. Some crowds are rockists. Exclaiming and shouting and loving punchlines or loving songs or whatever. And some crowds are just polite and are laughing at the jokes but are not like going crazy. So the difference is like, I don't think there's, there hasn't been one that was like, oh, I don't think they liked it. Right. There's just been either polite crowd that is enjoying it or rockists kind of mostly weekend. Rockist crowds that are fun. Is there one day that you would say like, I don't like the Wednesday afternoon crowd. Like is like is now because you've done it enough. Is there one where you should have say, yeah, well, we don't do the only do the matinee is we do are both also the weekends. So like on the weekend, I do four shows in 24 hours, which is not nothing. It's a lot. But those crowds are very ready to rock because I think both because the show is geared towards, I think people that would be fans of our podcast, people that would be fans of dinosaur or comedy bang, bang, bang. Right. I feel like it's attracting a younger comedy forward group of fans and a lot of fans of Lawrence, the band are they? Well, yes. They have a huge following and it's yeah, following. So it's not a lot of what I was nervous of going into it was that it would be a lot of like Broadway gray hairs. No, right? Yes. That's what Broadway from one gray hair to a lot of others. But yeah, predominantly Broadway shows when I go see them are a lot of older people. And while those are certainly, there's certainly that population here. It's a lot of young comedy savvy people. So I think they're having a blast. It seems that after the show, a lot of people have come up to talk to me about taskmaster or about how did this get made or comedy bang, bang, all the stuff that is comedy stuff that we know. And now I will say again, and we can talk about other things as well, but I do need to address something that people have brought up, which is you are not in your uniform in this show. Now, this is a show obviously there. Well, I mean you are. People are concerned. People are concerned that you obviously you're playing a character. But like, was that a debate? Did you have to be like, hey, I, you know, you look great. It was not a debate at all. You know, like everybody has a very cohesive look. It is all like a terminal colors that match and go with the kind of set that's there. I'm wearing a beautiful Drake's brown corduroy suit. It's gorgeous. It's comfortable as well. I am wearing a Oxford shirt, except it's not white. It's blue. Totally. It's a great shirt. No, I love my tie and a tie. Oh, yeah. And a, yes, and a beautiful knit tie. I am looking over a Craig Robinson no tie. And I was like, look, look, Craig, you know, Craig is the, yeah, I, uh, do you want to know how much, yeah, how much to choose? Everybody got to choose, like I had options of stuff. But it was all inside of I would say these kind of, uh, corduroy, tweeds, wool, like a lot of like wintery, a terminal colors and textures. Because you're not going to change it. You're looking at that. So that's the fear that many people are worried. Are they missing out? Oh, that's true. I know that you're going to be changing these nerds. It took them so long to figure out that I wore the same thing every day. And now that when I, when I don't continue it, no, that you must be under duress. People assume, but I see you. Okay. I knew you were okay because I got to see some clips of you at the Taskmaster live show in New York, where you come in and just took over that stage. And it was such a joy for me to be watching it on Instagram. You just kind of bounding out there. It was free. I do. I did my show and then my show ended and they were doing Taskmaster live three blocks away. So I quick changed, ran over there and then ran out onto their stage to be the special guest for the, because they were doing live tasks. You know, that was the setup. And so I was the special guest for the last task of the show. And it was a blast. It was so fun, so funny, so great to see those guys. I like to like mix it up. It was good because at least a Gilroy was competing in one I saw it's so funny. Yeah, it looked like a great crew. I mean, those shows looked so fun. She brought the funniest thing. So for their prize task, they each had to bring the worst article of clothing. Okay. And she brought a pair of hot pants that on the butt said Greg's little slut. Love this. That is from some like, from like, from like an Atlantic city boardwalk type of store. I don't know where, I don't know. Maybe I'm sure she got in LA somewhere. But it felt like the kind of thing you would get in a, in a t-shirt shop that the cast of Jersey Shore works at. Oh, I love it. Yes. And it was so funny. And then Alex put them on and paraded around in them. It was hilarious. Lisa Gilroy crushed that show. I love it. I love it. Well, this is, I hope they come out West. I think that is a tour was a success. So I think they are heartened by how well this did. So yeah, I think they will do more of this. There's a little rumbling online that, you know, what they're trying to do. And I think this is a smart move is to, if they're ever to launch another American version of it that people can be unfamiliar enough with them that they could then both be, they could just basically do it here. And maybe it's a six episode, you know, me, I don't know how any episode run it. I, I, I think in all likelihood that, you know, I think they've said they would like to do it again here. And I think they would like to be the hosts. I think that's the, that's their intent. That's their hope. It'd be the only thing to do. You know, it'd be so fun. I mean, the only other version of it would be to let me be the host. But, you know, I mean, look, I like, and I told you, if that happens, I will jump in and I will be your Alex. If you need it, I mean, I don't, you know, but I, I think that you and the host is, I would love it. I mean, it also seen that on Reddit as well. People are like, Jason is going to be the American host. There's a lot of conversation. There's a lot of conversation. I didn't want to bring that up unless, you know, I hope that, I hope that happens. But people were nervous when you switched the outfits that that might not happen anymore. They were nervous. You know, oh, man. So much has happened. And I got to say, because this episode is airing relatively close to when it came out, I want to recommend to everyone right now. Go see Sam Raimi's send help. It is phenomenal. It is great. I haven't seen it. I mean, you know, you know, you know, you, you know, you and I both of, you watch a shitload of movies. We've written things. You kind of know like okay, I know where it's going. I had no idea. That's awesome. The idea that you can still that we can still be surprised is What is such a joy, you know in the movies? So that's great. It was really fun So if you this is the second weekend. It's out So go check this thing out. It is fun and I sought with June and you know, June is scary a scary decat and Absolutely loved loved it. So you can if you're not you know if you're a scared cat Don't feel like oh, I can't handle it. You can handle it. Yeah, it's not like a straight horror movie It's no, I mean even the same old dad. Yeah, it's the same very it's like it's fun. It's silly It's it's and she is yeah, she's awesome Obviously we have a lot to break down a lot to get to but because I wanted to catch up with you just because you've been in New York Maybe it's one thing that you like and then next week we'll do a full a full catch up of what we've been up to I'm trying to think you know like I'm doing the show every night I come home. I'm wiped out and so my appetite for things now We're talking post post-Landman season two Which way which was my which was the priority of my 2026 which was absolutely incredible I am and people don't get this this is not only a show that chasing and I like it is a show that America loves It is the number one streaming show I believe that it was number one stranger things came out was number one for a week And then lamb and boom right back on top awesome. Yeah, so lamb man is and look have I met many people who've watched it? No, so that's even more interesting to me. Oh, man I'm a lot of people who are like why why would I watch landman and I'm like because it's the greatest show on television By the way and and I I don't like yellowstone sure. I don't dislike it. I just it's not my it's not my fully my cup of tea Landman is 100% my cup of tea and I think if you like the sensibility of our show Fearless things and I mean look I will say the one thing that got a lot of attention And it's not a spoiler in any way there. Here's an episode where Billy Bob Thornton's erect penis Does making appearance in the cold open? Yeah, all of an episode because he's taken too much sialis The night before now here's my question and I will say without too much more context in this Do you think he fucked the omelet or was that just a metaphor because I think he actually did fuck the omelet Not I think I think he did Yeah, I think he did and that's why she's so mad Yeah, I mean at least put his dick in the armor. Okay, so if that doesn't make you want to Holy cow genuinely get involved with landman a a true psychotic Like mega fever dream tone poem of nonsense like incredible stuff Also having fun and like I feel like oh yeah, but I love about this show is Everyone is bringing a little bit of themselves to it and really enjoying it and Garcia It's like everyone's like here's what we're doing and And then there's like that freedom of like well, maybe my character would do it like this and you're like yeah Yes, absolutely has as a component of it something that is I would say part of some of our favorite Things in the movies we do which is everybody's chewing the scenery in every scene Like Billy Bob is at like Nicholas Cage level Just going forward everybody's monologuing all the time in a way that feels like they would be at home in Face off or in any of the movies that we love that have that kind of scenery chewing vibe. I love it So I love it so it's so good. I'll shout out a couple of other things. Yeah, please So like I said like I come home and I am wiped out So all I'm doing is watching anime like I have now become fully anime-pilled My absolute number I can already tell you my favorite show of the year is going to be Freerun season two. Okay, well, just don't know what any of this stuff means. Yeah Freerun season one I've talked about before on the podcast was my favorite show that came out last year. Okay Absolutely one of the most incredible TV shows full stop of anything I've ever seen And it is a beautiful story It's based on a manga that frankly I haven't read But the series is unreal season two has just started airing. There's only been three episodes so far and it's Absolutely fantastic. I cried so hard at the episode about The hero of the south Absolutely fantastic And when I was talking about how much I loved Freerun to uh host of uh song explorer Rishi Keshe hereway uh recommended the apothecary diaries which is another two season anime that is also Fantastic. I just have finished watching both seasons of that and that is unbelievable apothecary diaries just a beautiful story about if feudal china and a girl gets kidnapped and is forced to work inside of the palace but She's an apothecary she can make medicines and it basically the way that Rishi sold it to me was he's He's like it's basically what if house the doctor house What it it's like a case of the weak medical mystery in like feudal china with a teenage girl as house and that's oh wow It's like a procedural that way so she's she's a detective. She's always trying to figure out who's trying to poison who because there's some It's all palisant rig. I love that people are trying to kill this person because they're pregnant They're trying to kill that baby so that the order of succession will be changed so that the new the next emperor will be this kid instead of that kid And she's always on the case and it's awesome. Okay, well, I gotta get I gotta get to anime that's a very big Those two shows I would say are Unreal level Anime, you know, and that and that's also based on like I looked up lists. Yeah, okay genuinely I'm not any kind of expert just I looked up lists and they were like the best anime are these yeah, no I love that these two are always on there. That's good to know I I love this anime recommendations. We will be talking again very soon to go through a bigger list All right, Jason's gone and it's almost into the show which means it is finally time to announce our next movie Next week we'll be going on a date. That's over two years in the making. That's right This Valentine's Day you can snuggle up with your boo to watch the 1987 rom com fantasy date with an angel starring Michael Knight And then you a little better and drop dead Fred's Phoebe Kates. We actually recorded this episode in Minneapolis over two years ago But after that show Day with an angel was removed from every single streaming service and VOD platform Until now yes date with an angel is finally available to watch again exclusively on To be so thank God for to be here is a breakdown of the plot an aspiring composer discovers Broken wing beautiful angel in a swimming pool when everyone finds out he must deal with his jealous fiance His future father-in-law and his friends who have a business plan rotten tomatoes gives us film a 13% score on the tomato meter And Roger ebert roten's review this movie ought to be shot It was not only the idea of the angel but also the human presence of Kate's a bright and quick actress who's required to play a Simpering bimbo while we really just bimbo a lot Back in the day anyway, let's take a listen to the trailer Jim's engagement to patty it is over but really this is out the window His relationship with his boss is going to enlighten you. He's going to the dogs And his best friends are bound to uncover his big secret Just an angel date with an angel great pg starts Friday November 20th at theaters everywhere Now I already told you that date with an angel is only available to watch on to be But as always you should check out your digital media services like hoopla canopy and liby Which are offered free by your local public library Even though date with an angel isn't on those services. They are still great resources for Movies tv's books audiobooks. Maybe you want to get that Parker series by darman cook or Or perhaps the wizard boss series whatever you want to do go check it out for free That is it that's the end of the show listen to us on apple podcaster spotify remember that you got a rate in review us rate in review us Rate in review us. It's easy also make sure you are following us. 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