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This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Thanks for listening to the Best of the Hurd Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every week day on Fox Sports Radio and noon to three Eastern 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at FoxBorchtredio.com or stream us live every day on the I Heart Radio app by searching FoxBorchtredio or FSR. This is the Best of the Hurd with Colin Cowherr on Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. What is it? A Wednesday? A Thursday? I forget what that is. Midweek Wednesday. It's great. It's the Hurd. We're live. We're in Chicago. I got to tell you. We have a show today. I got so many things to talk about and a story is developing. And I do not get the story. Good to see you. Warming up in Chicago. I almost wore cargo pants to work today. So Clint Kubiak is the new coach of the Las Vegas Raiders. I like to hire. He was quoted yesterday saying, hey, I got to watch a lot of tape to determine who's going to be the number one pick. Clint, I've seen the tape. Draft for an endomendoza. What is happening over the last 48 hours on people I am talking to in the NFL is crazy. I'm getting real pushback on Fernando Mendoza as an A quarterback prospect. The last time I got this much pushback on a quarterback I loved. And a lot of people in the league were a little cool on him. Maybe you've heard of him, Sam Darnold. Usually I agree with people. I always call on people. But the majority opinion I am hearing in the league is he is a good prospect. But Indiana football is about Kurt Signetti. What a crock that is. And I like Kurt Signetti. Indiana loses three games this year, minimum without Fernando Mendoza. Miami, Ohio State and Penn State. Not one in those games. And I would argue maybe five losses. Because they trailed Iowa in the fourth and were tied with Oregon at Otsin in the fourth. Maybe they win those. Maybe they don't. But you could have had five losses without Mendoza. And a lot of Indiana fans. And by the way, Indiana football fan, you've battered for 20 minutes. Lose the arrogance. You're not Oklahoma. You're not Ohio State. You're not Notre Dame. You're Indiana. You're a basketball school with a couple rich boosters. I didn't buy you last year. I called you a fraud because you were. Because you had the number two scoring offense in the country. And you built it up against a bunch of, you know, Panera breads in the out of conference. Last year, they hung this is pre-Mendoza. Indiana hung 77 on Western Illinois, 52 on something called Charlotte and 66 on Perdon't. You average 53 and a half points in your out of conference games. So you thought that was a real flex. And then you played Ohio State and at 150 yards offense. And you played Notre Dame and you trailed 20 to three in the fourth before some garbage stats. And you played a bad Michigan team and you had 40 yards rushing. Don't you don't matter. You had a great season and a great team. The year before I stand by everything I said, it was goals. And you played a bad Michigan team. They pushed you around. You couldn't move. You couldn't run the ball. And then Fernando Mendoza arrives and you dropped, you know, 38 on Bama and 66 on a very, very good Illinois team and 50 plus on Oregon in the playoff or whatever it was. That's a legitimate team. 16 and O's a legitimate team. So I don't want to hear about all the whiny Indiana football fans and we got a lot of them in the Fox building. Yeah, all winers. Oh, here we go. You said I said the truth. You crushed Western Illinois. I don't even, I mean, I live in Illinois. I thought Western Illinois was Indiana. Is it a school that's on an island in the in the lake Michigan? Well, what is Western Illinois Charlotte? Well, what is that? This year you go to Penn State. You go to Austin. You're crushing Alabama. You're rolling people. You're beating Ohio State. You were totally legitimate. That's not a signety alone. If quarterback doesn't matter and it's all about signety, then Kurt signety is the only coach in the history of football. AFL NFL college football division one through division 13 where quarterback really doesn't have that much of an impact. Yeah, I'm going to say it does. And I thought last year a lot of that stuff last year within Indiana was cotton candy scheduling. When they faced a big boys, it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that Notre Dame game. They were running in their own territory. They're punting it like the one they put in like the Notre Dame 45 or something. You're like, yeah, give me a break. I mean, give me a you guys have everybody's got amnesia. This year's Indiana yikes. They were legit. But like any team, they were very reliant on a great quarterback. And I am getting so much pushback on Fernando Mendoza. And I don't get it. I get accurate moves, humble gratitude. I don't get it. I watch them at Penn State. I watch them against Ohio State. I watch them against Miami's defense. He's unbelievable. And nobody loves him. Everybody likes him. My guy Todd McShay said this yesterday on the show. Talent is talent, right? And I really like Fernando Mendoza. He's tall. He's six, five, two, twenty. He's got mobility for his size. He's got a lot of energy on the ball. And he's smart. But he's not, if we're talking physically, he's not some of the guys we've seen in the last few drafts. He's not Caleb. He's not Jaden. He's not Drake. He's not even Cam Ward. So there's that to unpack. I like Cam Ward. Fernando Mendoza is not a better prospect than Cam Ward. I'm telling you, I know ours. What's the will of fairer line? You people are taking crazy pills. I'm not saying he's Andrew Locke. I'm not saying he's John L. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying he has the horse power of Caleb. I'm not saying it is a prospect. He's Josh Allen who milk hyperred called a top 10 prospect. They're, I'm not saying that. But I, Kurt Signetti's great. Kurt Signetti had a BB gun offense the year before Mendoza arrived. It was a water pistol. I mean, every, they were dominating, you know, directional schools. This year, they were kicking Alabama's butt. Okay. Yeah. The NIL got them a few more good players. No question. A couple of edged rushers. One was Hurt though. Got hurt. But I, it's folks. Every, go look at Bella check without Brady. Every coach in the history of a, go look at Bruce Ariens when he had Brady. And when he had Carson Palmer and then look at Bruce Ariens when he didn't. And Bruce Ariens a great coach. Every coach is driven by their quarterback play and he reads unbelievable. He's way better with my homes. Okay. So that, that just throws me for a loop. I get off the phone the last two days and I'm like, man, I like this guy way more than everybody else. There's so much I like about it. Okay. And you get me worked up on this stuff. It draft doesn't even until April and I'm having, you know, I'm going nuts over here. Maybe it's the coffee. Okay. So last night Spurs played the Lakers. Two nights ago it was okay see Lakers. So two truths were on display. Number one is NBA fixture product. Luca LeBron and Austin Reaves were not available. What a crappy product. You're a kid. You go to a game you live in Palmdale. You go to one game a year and you don't get LeBron. Luca. And by the way, the Warriors played a night. No staff, no Jimmy Butler. Butler's injured but give me a break. Bad product. Here's everything in the NBA is a yeah, but we get to go watch the team tonight. Yeah, but so until it's not playing. I mean, in NFL you always get the stars, right? And that sport they tackle each other. Here's the other truth. Those new wealthy Lake Corona's that's going to hurt for Jay Mac. They have watched the last two nights. Okay, see, come in the town and the Spurs come in the town. And those two rosters compared to the Lakers. Depth, length, defenders, multiple scores. Guys that aren't old and sleepy and can't play back to back. Those rosters are the best two rosters in the NBA. And those new Laker owners are watching those two teams waltz into crypto arena. And the Lakers look a mile away. A mile away and you could say, well, the Lakers got injuries. The new Laker owners own the Dodgers. The last two years, the 2025 Dodgers, top the record set by the 2024 Dodgers. In pitchers used for a World Series winning team. The Dodgers have been beat up for two years. They're not interested in the excuses. Lucas 27, it's supposed to be in his prime. Why is his game gotten more cerebral than athletic? Why is he hurt so much? Because Wimby's not in his prime. Five years younger and he is a mile better than Luca right now. Because he actually plays defense, rim protector, runs the floor, does everything well. So those new Laker owners walked into this organization. And the last two nights, they have seen the league's truth. The Gat Wimby had 37 and a half. It could have scored 70. He could have done whatever he, I mean, they scored, what are they scored? How many points they have at halftime? 74 points at halftime or something like that? I mean, spurs were just doing whatever they wanted to. And everybody tells me about Luca and I like Luca. But he's 27. The game is not as vertical. I'm sorry, he doesn't once again look to be in the best shape. So people say, well, the Lakers have calf phase. It is not a transaction a league like that anymore. It's a draft and develop league. Look at the pistons. Look at the spurs. Look at OKC, three best teams in a league. It is a draft and develop league. The sharp young GMs are crushing. So I got to tell you the last two nights and crypto is a perfect sponsor for the Laker's facility. Bloded valuation. Fools gold, buying into gold and purple. You know, in crypto, they called a rug poll. They called a rug poll when the price craters. Lakers need a rug poll. They're GM rug pollinka. He may need to get pulled. Lakers against winning teams, 11 and 13. They're not good. Oh, they're unbelievable against the wizards. So I said it yesterday. JJ Reddick, love him. Luca like him a lot. Everybody else wrecking ball. Those new Laker owners, those cats, they're moving off Cody Belinger, Mani Machado, Scott Seeger, Traitor. Those are great players. Those like Hall of Fame. I mean, many Machado's gonna make the Hall of Fame. They're moving off those guys. I mean, you watch the Spurs and the OKC. They both have more draft capital. They have more good players, great benches, unbelievable twitchy defenders and length. And they have like each five or six ascending players. Who's ascending on the Lakers? It's not Luca. I'll argue all day long it's not Luca. Luca's great. He's not ascending. His game has gotten more, a little bit more cerebral, which is great. But it's not quite as athletic as three years ago, which would worry me because he's 27. Yeah, my bad. Spurs had 84 points at aftime. I mean, well, Colin, this guy didn't play and this guy didn't play and this guy didn't play. Those Dodgers owners, I mean, those guys have been winning World Series titles using 40 pitchers. I mean, they're just basically trying to figure out who's available for the eighth inning. You know, in your divisional round playoff series, they're running out of guys. Here's Wembee on his performance last night. This kind of game you got to have, you know, the greed. But every game you have to have this greed, you know, to one more every time. Because you know, at all times, it doesn't matter who's in the court, if somebody doesn't want to stuck in from the attribute of that. So you got a degree. Greg Kosell in 45 minutes. J Mac, there's no reason to go into play by play on OKC and San Antonio. But when you look at those two rosters, you look at the, I mean, the spurs just come in and castle got hurt on top of the second quarter. But when you look at those rosters, you're just like, wow, young, and those teams have draft capital galore. Yeah. So I was at the game last night and, you know, we walk into the arena. We know who's out for the Lakers. And we look at the first half line and it was only spurs minus seven and a half. Now that was what I was, I had loaded up on. It was like, they were up 30 and half time. It was a blood bath. The Lakers, not competitive. The guy who's probably a little nervous right now, Colin, we talked about this yesterday. It's probably Rob Polinka. I mean, listen, I like the Lakers. I think they're going to be fine this season and do well in the postseason. But Rob, that roster looked really exposed last night compared to the spurs whose bench players were miles better. I mean, Carter Bryant, the rookie from Arizona, Oh, yeah. He was awesome. I mean, you should have seen him in the dunk line before the game. I was like, wow, who's this guy? Spurs are loaded. They're going to be my pick. They're officially my pick to win the NBA title. Yeah, I think so too. I mean, they just, you know, these NBA champs, they have their starting five. They have their three to four man rotation. The spurs walk into town. And if Wembe's plan, it's the same starting five. It's the same four guys in the rotation. They're well, they've been well run forever. Yeah. But when you watch Wembe's upside, again, you can say, well, the Lakers were missing bang, bang, bang. Well, that's because LeBron can't play back to back. That's because Luke over the last three years is always dinged up. Austin Reeves got 100%. And, you know, so it's like, you know, it's funny. The spurs are healthy. Okay, see that with healthy. If it wasn't for flu, the last two nights, you'd have everybody else when you have young players in their prime who are in great shape all the time. They don't get hurt as much. It's, it's Anthony Davis can't stay healthy. Why would that be in this entire career? And I love Anthony Davis, one of the best defensive players of my life thought. A.D. is in his prime is one of the great defensive players I've ever seen. I said it two years ago or last year. Should have been defensive player of the year. Unbelievable talent. Never healthy. What was the knock on him? Not in great shape. I mean, I, you know, you know, I'm not saying you have to be in D Wade and LeBron shape. But the guys that get dinged up a lot, it's, it's not just coincidence. I don't buy that. All right. You get me worked up on this stuff, Jay Mac. I love how fired up you are. That Lakers rant was epic. I mean, listen, they're going to be fine. But your rant was A plus. Good stuff. Oh, I really appreciate that. Was it a neuro gum kind of morning? Are you back on that stuff? You know, I flew cross country last night. Yes, I'm aware. And that strangest thing happened. So I'm on the flight next to a guy's a big guy. You know, I don't talk much on flights. I get in, I sit down, I put in the pods, I stream whatever, you know, go on Starlink or whatever United Airlines. I don't talk a lot. All of a sudden, about an hour into the flight, the guy gets up. I'm thinking going to the bathroom. He disappears. It's a full flight. I'm like, where do you go? And so I kept looking for like 10 minutes of bathroom. And I got up to stress, but I looked in the back. Am I not on the plane? I'm like, we got a DB Cooper situation here. Somebody jumped out the back of the plane. And then about five minutes before we land, he walks up and since next to me. And I said, it was a little concerned. Where'd you go? He's guy, I had a buddy. I was a text and he was back of the plane. And I'm like, I'm telling you right now, it's like who had a parachute? Who I try to identify everybody in first class. I got a DB Cooper thing. I'm looking around it. I want to ID people to make sure, you know, I got my act together here. 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Stegats in Company and God Bless Football. Tellers livelihood depends on it. Do it today. And you can check all of those out on the IHART Radio App, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Here we go. It's our two. It is a Wednesday. We're live in Chicago. It is the herd. Wherever you may be. However you may be listening or watching. Thanks for making us part of your day. Greg Kosell is going to show up in about four or five minutes. So I was thinking about this. I know it's really, really early, but the NFL season is over. And once an NFL season ends, there are three ways to improve your team. Number one is the coaching and staff hires. Number two is free agency. And number three is the draft. Those are the primary ways. I think the drafts worth about 15%. I think free agencies worth about 15%. And I think Ben Johnson and Mike Vrable are proof the coaching is about 70%. Now, most rosters don't radically change. And if they do like New England, change this year. Well, it's up to Mike Vrable, the coach. Okay. So it to me, the coaching thing really matters. So if you look at the teams that have made big jumps in a year, Ben Johnson, Mike Vrable, Jim Harbolliam, Colin Sean Payton. It's not all players. It's mostly the coach. And if they do change the roster, the coach has big saying that the coach making 18 million a year has a lot of say in even the draft and free agency. So I mean, the Titans and giants had a lot of money last year that didn't have the right coaches. Okay. New England had a lot of money last year in free agency. They had the right coach. I mean, Jackson, Darden Drake, Mayor, both talented. It's the coach. So in Seattle, Ace the draft. So it's not the draft. Seattle Ace the draft. They had two guys. A guard and a safety out of the draft class. They had an impact. Two of 22 starters. And that's not counting special teams. And their special teams in Seattle were impactful. So I do believe you can look after all the coaching hires. I'm going to do a top 10 after the coaching hires after free agency and after the draft. And I would say here we go. Number 10. I think the chiefs. I'd put them at number 10 right now. They've got three really good picks. Three of the top 75 picks. They need to get a rush and an offensive tackle. Probably a running back. If they get that Notre Dame running back in the first round. I don't think they will. But if they do absolute home run. I have them at 10. Number nine would be Buffalo. Okay. Buffalo didn't have a lot of cap space. And they don't have a pro baller on defense right now. Joe Brady is an upgrade over Sean McDermott. I don't necessarily think so. I'm going to wait and see their schedule is brutal. Rams, Texans, ABC West and FC North. Brutal, brutal schedule. Number six to Patriots. I number eight to Patriots. I like New England. But Drake May was sacked 68 times this year. The O line doesn't need a tweak. It mostly outside of guard needs an overhaul. Three straight playoff games with eight plus points. At one point, the Super Bowl. Eight drives eight ponds and seven completions. They also played an incredibly weak schedule. Next year, I think it's a top six most difficult schedule. They'll be a very good team. I don't think in the AFC. They'll represent the conference in the Super Bowl. Number seven, I would say the Detroit Lions. I really like their O C higher out of Arizona. I was surprised how good the Cardinals offense was at times this year, which is Kobe Bersat. I think they've got their star players all signed and they've got star players at key positions, pass Russia, tackle, weapon, quarterback. I have the Lions at seven. Number six, Liam Cohen, year one. What a turnaround by the Jaguars, top ten in offense and defense. They're only going to get better. I mean, listen, first coach to ever win 13 plus games, take it over a team with four fewer wins. Only first year head coach. That's pretty good. That's pretty good team. So and I think they didn't have Travis Hunter playing much. He should play a role going for Jags at six. I think the chargeers are going to feel like a Super Bowl team in September. Upgraded O C, both their tackles back, tons of cap space. And I think they're going to spend it on offense to protect Justin Herbert as they should. The defense may not be as good without Jesse Minter. It'll be fine. But I think they're going to look like a different team offensively next year. I'd put the Bears at four. I know you think it's high. The Rams had to play a perfect game and beat him in overtime in the playoffs. Last four losses all came in one score games. Teams, by the way, went two and 14 and one after they played the Bears. I don't know what that means, but it's something they did not take the ball away in the playoffs like they did in the regular season. I think they have to spend almost their entire draft capital on defensive players. Number three, the Denver Broncos. Not only were they missing the Bonics, but JK Dobbins and two of their top three receivers in a playoff game. They should have been the Super Bowl team. They matched up with Seattle much better. I think Seattle would have won, but Denver kind of felt like between the Blizzard and their injuries. They got bad breaks. Fewest sacks allowed tied from the fewest sacks allowed. And the most sacks on defense. I'm sorry. I like the coach, the roster in the quarter back. Number two, and maybe they should be number one. I put the Rams outgained opponents, even in their five losses this year. Highest squatted offense, highest squatted defense, according to PFF played the toughest schedule by any playoff team. I worry about Matt Stafford's age, but there's an argument. They'll be the best team in the league next year. Number one, Seattle, between Mike McDonald, John Snyder, his drafting record, Sam Darnold, so many of it's like it's like watching a little bit like watching OKC last year, the spurs this year. They have so much upside and they're already really, really good. So Seattle just doesn't miss. And they've last four years. They have hit on their top two picks. And I mean stars. The last four years in the draft top two picks. So they're not even paying those guys yet. That would be my top 10 right now. I don't have green Bay. But they put a number seven seed in the playoffs. Haven't they? This year there were seven seed with their seven seed the year before. Jay Mac, you have a you're just puzzled by this. I listen. I know I know we have a guest usually here. I got a lot to say about this. So maybe we should wait a little bit. I mean, this is a way. It's kind of wild here, coward. Really? I don't know. So no Eagles anywhere to be found. No Joe burrow. No Lamar Jackson. I mean, were you the one who yesterday telling me they had nine. So pay Lamar Jackson that new contract he's going to get. That the raven's going to have to move off people. Where are the Houston Texans? They just 11 or something like, aren't you the guy that kept complaining that CJ Stroud was regressing? I think he's he's not a very good quarterback. So I've got a very good quarterback. How are you? How are you better than my homes and Josh Allen and Drake, man? Jared go the defense is he lead and we just saw it's not about quarterbacks. It's about defense at this point. I'm surprised. He had a Falcons. Okay. I'm just that's just a joke. But yeah, this is three from the AFC West. Two from the NFC West. No Niners. Hey, you know how I like Mendoza. Raters maybe 11 by September. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in New Nester, 90 and Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the I hard radio app. 20 NFL seasons, 13 time pro bowl or a Super Bowl champ. I was just watching some of that St. Super Bowl of the coach. Colts man, that was well coach, stacked roster, drew breeze. And now he is a first ballot hall of famer. He's joining us live from New York. He was doing stuff with a company stretch zone. We'll get to that in a second. So it's interesting. We have footage of Dan Fowlts, former Oregon duck charge are knocking on the door. And so I mean, you got a sense it could happen. So like just take me to that moment when you saw Dan, what do you think? It was it was a shock, but really it was like to set up before that. So it was it was my birthday a few days prior to that. And I share a birthday with my son, Baylan, who was the one year old that I held up as Super Bowl, who's now 17 and driving by the way. So the weekend, the weekend was all about him. So Monday rolls around and my daughter, who's 11 years old, who was like my absolute sweetheart. It's like, dad, I want to take you out to eat at five o'clock. And so I'm like, my heart's melting. I like, oh, absolutely sweetie. So be ready by five. So I'm ready. My wife's ready. My daughter's ready. And the boys are messing around upstairs. I'm like, boys, let's go. Ryland said five o'clock. We're out the door. There's still mess around like I'm starting to get frustrated. I'm literally about to leave the boys like they're being disrespectful. We're leaving like teach him a lesson. And then and then there's a knock at the door. And I'm like, who's knocking at the door? We're trying to get out of the house, you know. And so then there's Dan Foulson, 10 cameras, you know, and it's like, Oh boy, you got me. Oh, that is a great, that is a great story. You were just about to teach your sons a life lesson. And that's it. That's how it should work. That's right. In the meantime, my wife told them like, Hey, you guys stall, stall until they knock on the door. We can't leave. You know, so she had this whole thing orchestrated the whole time. Oh, that's great. So, you know, it's funny. People were saying Sam Darnell. They said, uh, Sam, you know, Colin, you love Darnell. He didn't do anything. And I joked. I said, yeah, I didn't throw a pick. He didn't fumble. He didn't have multiple sacks. And I went back and looked this up. Here are super bowl winning quarterbacks with no playoff turnovers. Drew Breeze, Troy Ackman, Steve Young and Sam Darnell. And what do you have in common? You're great. Your coaches are great. And your rosters were really good. I'm watching your saints highlights during the break. I'm like, man, you guys had good players. Take me to that playoff run by you. Did you understand Drew? This is the best roster I may have had. There are certain throws. Maybe I won't make this playoff run. You know, obviously we were ultra confident, you know, with that team and going into the O9 playoffs. If you recall, we started off 13 and a, you know, we were rolling. We lost the tough one to Dallas. Then we lost the tough one to Tampa where we lost it or we missed a field going over time. Ironically, in the exact same spot where we made the field go on the NSC championship to advance the suit. But I think when we looked at kind of our road through the playoffs, look, it was it was a gauntlet. You know, Kurt Warner was coming to town Hall of Fame quarterback, right? They were airing it out. Then NFC championship was brought far and that Vikings team, which was as good a Vikings team as I've ever seen. And then obviously we were going to play, you know, Peyton Manning, arguably a team that could have been undefeated that year. They kind of just threw the last two games so they could rest their starters. So like we kind of knew what was ahead of us. And yet we knew that if we played our game and executed the way that we knew that we could, that we could win. And I would always define our team as a somewhat aggressive team, you know, knowing Sean Peyton, no one kind of the way he likes to call a game. I think it also equipped and empowered me as the quarterback, though in a lot of cases where I knew he was going to be aggressive. I knew he was going to dial it up, but I also knew that he had trust and confidence to me to make great decisions, to check the ball down if it wasn't there, to not take any unnecessary chances because hey, we'll come back and call it again. And so a lot of that confidence and a lot of playing that way and at that level was the result of the confidence that I knew he had in me. Do you have a little soft spot for Donald based on your first couple years weren't perfect and Donald's first several weren't when you look at Sam, do you, you find yourself like root and foreign because that journey, you have some similarities. A thousand percent, a thousand percent. And honestly, I think it embodies all the lessons that we hope to teach our kids through sports and through team athletics. And that is that you will face adversity, you will face failure and disappointment. And it's how you react to it that matters. And while it didn't work at the first couple of teams that he went to, he continued to work, he continued to recognize where he did better and learn. And I look at the journey that he traveled. And while it wasn't maybe the road that he would have envisioned when he first got in the league, it was meant to be. And it's what has brought out the best in him and allowed him to play the way that he has lead the way that he has and also inspire others the way that he has. When you think of drew when I think drew breeze of somebody said, Oh, give me a sentence for every quarterback that played and people said drew breeze and I'd be like, that's the most accurate quarterback I've ever seen play. And I've always had this feeling and I was, I'm clearly wrong, but I always had this feeling I could improve a lot about a quarterback. I can't make you bigger. But if you're not accurate, you're never going to be super accurate like it did. Well, and by the way, I think accuracy is very important. So you first couple years in the league were around 60% and then you end is the most accurate quarterback any of us have ever seen. And it was that and I look at Caleb Williams, people bang on him and I'm like, well, he's got a lot of horsepower if he can get to 63% yeah, I'm kind of good with it. So tell me you went from like average 60% and that was a different time in the NFL where that was better than what 60% is today that was like 65% but then you became the most accurate guy. Obviously a lot of it is you and the time and the devotion. But was it also coaching? Wait, tell me how you got to the greatest most accurate quarterback off pretty accurate. Like what was it? So first off, to me, accuracy is trust and anticipation. So it's the trust in and the chemistry and the timing that you develop with the guys that you're throwing to your ability anticipate what's happening given your preparation, your knowledge of your own system. I think it's also understanding what wins and loses in the NFL and the premium that you put on being in a third and short situation than a third long situation. Well, what's the difference between that? Well, maybe it was the fact that I took the check down as opposed to taking the risk on that play. Like just because I know I can make that throw you have to have this internal mechanism that kind of tells you that's a one in 10 completion versus I take this check down and that gets me to third and four. Well, the chances and probabilities of me converting that are much, much higher than being a third and 10. And so I'll give you like with Caleb Williams, here's a guy who we watching college make miraculous place like run around and do all kinds of stuff. And I think you get wired a certain way early in your career that hey, this is how I play the game. And then you get into the NFL game and you begin to understand no, it's more about playing within the system, the timing and rhythm with your feet, taking the completions that you need to take. Occasionally, you're going to have to do the kind of the off script stuff. But for the most part, the game is won and lost by just staying ahead of the chains, getting the ball in your playmaker's hands, making good decisions and being on time and executing the offense. So I think that that certainly can come. Yes, there's a, you know, there's something to just the mechanics, right? And the things that you'll continue like towards the end of my career, I was so tuned with my team. I was in my body and like when I would miss a throw, why that was all, you know, I over it was too largest stride or my elbow dropped or I didn't have my front foot out in front of the target. Like I could, I could fix problems immediately, right? Just given the fact that I was so in tune with my body and I knew what would lead accuracy. So all these things happen with time. But I think the coaching part of it is, hey, open receiver, you know, live to play other day, make good decisions. You know, never go broke, take into profit, completion's are the premium. Yeah. By the way, you may be going through the Lincoln tunnel right now, but I got to ask you about streets, a stretch zone, a company you're part of. You were all over New York. You were all wall street today. You were on the morning shows. What is stretch zone? He is in the Lincoln tunnel. Is he? Yeah, he learned that's exactly. Hey, you got me now. Yes, I got you. In my back. Hey, first off before I answer that, can we reminisce on the time when literally I was talking to you after we won the Super Bowl? And do you remember that I had to jump off the call because Obama was calling on the other line? Do you remember that? We were the middle of it. And I say, Colin, I am so sorry. I never thought I would say this, but can I call you back? Because Obama is calling on the other line to say congratulations. That was probably the first and only time that would ever happen. Yes, I remember it well. So I'll forget. Tell me about stretch zone. Yeah, so for the Lincoln tunnel there. Yeah. So so stretch zone is the is the largest and fastest growing practitioner, and I was talking to the American brand in the country. It was something that I utilized towards the end of my career really to gain every advantage that I possibly could with my recovery, with my flexibility, with my mobility. It made such a difference for me that when I got done playing actually sought out the owners and the founders of the company to learn more about it. And before I knew it, I was on the business side on the franchise or side as an investor and ambassador in sitting on the board, helping to grow and scale the business. I knew that just from my own personal experience and anecdotally that the practice flies, but now we have the research and everything that we just announced to back it up. It shows up to 9 on our study, showed increased energy, increased productivity, a higher range of motion, less pain, better sleep, and just an overall better quality of life. So the stretch zone method applies to anybody, whether you're age 13 or 113, whatever you're trying to accomplish, whether you're, you know, a week in, or your high performance athlete, or just somebody who's getting a little bit older, who's lost the ability to move, trying to shape some strokes off your golf game. There's something there for everybody. Whether it's a former president Obama or the Lincoln tunnel, we're occasionally interrupted, but Drew always offers great insight. It's great seeing you, buddy, as always, I appreciate it. And a great way to close today's show stretch zone Drew breeze who had such great answers on a variety of topics. I absolutely love that Hall of Fame Dan Fouts at the door story. That is just his wife news. She's setting it up. Come on, guys. Come downstairs. You're being disrespectful all part of a plan to get Dan Fouts and Drew breeze together for the gold jacket moment. All right, we're done today. Great stuff. Want to thank everybody who stopped by, especially Drew. It's the her. This is an I Heart podcast guaranteed human.