Nightcap

Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Dexter Lawrence Requests Trade, Deebo Forgot How To Squat, Masters Menu

38 min
Apr 7, 202611 days ago
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Summary

Deebo Samuel and Joe Thomas discuss NFL contract negotiations and player leverage, specifically analyzing Dexter Lawrence's trade request due to expired guaranteed money. The episode also covers Deebo's fitness journey, including his struggle to regain squat form after a 2-3 year hiatus, and concludes with a lighthearted discussion about Masters golf tournament pricing and wine collecting.

Insights
  • Players increasingly view trade requests as leverage when contracts become unguaranteed, especially after outperforming their deal terms relative to market comparables
  • NFL contract dynamics are asymmetrical: teams demand pay cuts for underperformance, but players requesting raises for outperformance face resistance, creating tension in negotiations
  • Guaranteed money is the critical negotiating point for players in the final years of contracts, as it represents security against injury or roster cuts
  • Hiring GMs after the draft creates accountability issues, as new executives inherit draft picks they didn't make and cannot claim credit or responsibility for roster decisions
  • Premium event experiences (Masters golf) succeed by prioritizing fan experience over revenue extraction, contrasting sharply with NFL stadium pricing models
Trends
Increased player mobility through trade requests as defensive mechanism when guaranteed money expiresMarket reset cycles in defensive tackle contracts creating pressure for mid-contract renegotiationsAsymmetrical contract negotiation power between teams and players based on performance varianceOrganizational dysfunction when GM hiring is delayed past draft, creating accountability gapsConsumer preference for value-oriented premium experiences over high-margin extraction modelsGrowing athlete focus on guaranteed money over total contract value in negotiationsDefensive tackle market inflation outpacing individual contract adjustments
Companies
New York Giants
Dexter Lawrence's current team; he requested a trade due to expired guaranteed money on his contract
Minnesota Vikings
Discussed their delayed GM hiring process, waiting until after the draft to hire a new general manager
Pittsburgh Steelers
Referenced as acquiring Michael Pittman Jr., who is scheduled as a guest for the next episode
iHeartMedia
Podcast network that produces and distributes the Nightcap show
People
Deebo Samuel
Co-host discussing NFL contract dynamics, fitness training, and personal experiences
Joe Thomas
Co-host analyzing contract negotiations, Masters golf experience, and wine collecting
Dexter Lawrence
Primary subject of contract negotiation discussion; requested trade due to lack of guaranteed money
Michael Pittman Jr.
Scheduled guest for upcoming Friday episode; recently acquired by the Steelers
Baker Mayfield
Mentioned in casual conversation about players and training; previously played with Deebo
Tiger Woods
Discussed in context of Masters golf tournament; observed limping during 2022 Masters
Quotes
"A man ain't got no more guaranteed paper. When you see other people get deals and you feel like your money isn't where it should be, you know it's only too many more times you can get a cut at that pot."
Joe ThomasContract negotiation discussion
"I didn't know you could forget how to squat. Your form is trash. After one set of 135, my muscles were twitching."
Deebo SamuelFitness discussion
"The owner started this. When they started asking for pay cuts, y'all signed a man to a contract, then y'all want to tell him, oh, you ain't played good enough, take a pay cut. So don't be surprised when he done outplayed his contract."
Joe ThomasContract dynamics discussion
"You can't get a water, I don't think, for $10 at an NFL game, bro. At the Masters, you can get pulled pork for $10."
Deebo SamuelMasters pricing discussion
"These people done went into the refrigerator and grabbed a big bottle of Barefoot wine. I'm like, y'all can run your ass to the store and get that for $5.99."
Joe ThomasWine collecting story
Full Transcript
This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. Hey, but speaking of Tampa, man, you say you live ways, right? Yes. Check out Baker right here. You live ways like this. What? Yeah, zoom in. You see what it is? Yeah, contemplates. Go ahead, run that back for me. That's Baker. Who? But. Baker, we in Tampa, Baker. Oh, yeah, Baker, Big Swole. Remember, he used to play with you. Y'all got rid of the fans? He didn't. That's what I'm a baker fan. You live weights? Yeah, I can't do that. I'm not right now. No, I'm not. You don't live weights like that? For what? This is all I'm trying to tell you. I'm not the quarterback. What I'm trying to do, go to the, what I'm trying to do, set a world record. I'm trying to stay in shape. Ain't nothing but 495, Joe. Not right now. Not on my back. It's Black Squad and you get to hold on. I could. OK, back then. Back then for show, for show, for show. Easy. I don't need. I don't need any hats. Sets, sets of ten. Come on, Debo. I'm and I'm low. Yes. Ah, as to the grass. I'm in the bucket with it. I might go butt the calf if I have to. No question. Come on, man. Only for real. But right now, but like after that, now, Debo, I'm lifting for to keep my, you know what I'm saying? Right now I got spongebob muscles, but you know what I'm saying? I look, I'm trying to look good. Spongebob, Joe. I'm trying to make sure I can, you know what I'm saying? Still run. Spongebob. Still, you know what I'm saying? Be sweet. Not spongebob, but I'm throwing up to 225. Like I just need to ten times. Hmm. Ten, ten, 225, ten, ten. Hey, Joe, that's just as strong as I need to be over ten. Then I'm like, dang, I'm what am I trying to do now? Do I need to compete? Should I start trying to compete? You know, listen, listen, Joe, I got to say, so I don't even know why I'm telling this man, because it's a little bad. All right, so P-game. No, and I had a few like nieces, you know, and I had a few meniscus. Yes. The last couple years, right? So I really done, I really stepped away from the squat game. I started doing leg press, right? And then I really stepped away from that, too, right? So I hadn't really did any real squatting in almost two and a half, three years, right? Yeah. Joe, I can't. No, Joe, no, Joe, I planned on going light. I was, you know, I'm just doing like I used to be able to take, you know, five, sixty five and, you know, do three sets of eight. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. OK. Joe, I went in there. This was, bro. Right. This was Friday or Friday or Sunday, bro. I'm like, all right, I'm going here and squat. I'm going there and squat, bro. I put the bar on just to get the movement. Yeah. Bro, I didn't know you could forget how to squat. Oh, no, your whole see your form, your form is off. Your form is trash. After I can't believe I've been taking this. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead, strong man. Let me know what's up. Bro, after one set of 135, bro. My muscles were twitching. 10. Just what you get. 10 reps, bro. 10 reps of the month. 35. Right. My muscles was twitching. I'm like, all right, maybe they just getting used to it. So I'm like, all right, let me go to 225. Bro, I go to 225. I can't figure out why I cannot squat right anymore, dude. Like I I'm adjusting four or five times trying to get down there. Like, right. It was it was the most garbage thing ever. But what's up? It was yesterday. I came back though. I didn't get up that high. I got to like 315, but I felt good about it. OK. I wasn't twitching and doing all the movement. So I might have to go into like 30 days of squatting, bro. Just to just to get back. Right. Just to get back. Right. No, for sure. For sure. For sure. And I think my thing with squatting is my mobility. Because I told you my hip. Bad hip. Got that bad hip. So I got to get down all the way right. I'll get the lean in a little bit. I'm like, come on, Joe. We got to get this hip all the way right. But I'm still squatting smooth. It just I got to warm up to I got to warm up first. I just can't go in there and think it's all sweet to jump down in there. No. Come here. You know, I like to do my I like to do my warm up first. So I'm like, I'm on the I do my cardio. You do the cardio. That's I don't want cardio. That was the most that's what the most perfect thing that we did when I worked out with you that day. We got on the we got on the treadmill first for 45 minutes. Yeah. And now I'm as warm as I'm not. I'm past warm. I'm tired now. I hit a stretch and then I hit my hit my weight. So yeah, yeah, it was a little different. I ain't going to, you know, it was it was it was I open. But yeah, give me three, four, give me three, give me three, four weeks, man. I'm going to get back up. I don't go no higher than four or five now, because, you know, I had a couple of micro deceptimes, but I'll get back to four or five for baby sets of 12 to 15. See, no, I just for me, for me, my squat now, I don't need to get back up to the four or five. None of that. Three, 15s, rapping that for 10, you know what I'm saying? Three sets, three to three, three, four, five, three, three to four sets. Boom. Solid. Yeah, you know, my, my, you know, I'm still I'm not. I want to wrestle or something, you know what I'm saying? Joe, you better get your legs right. Because when I'm not, no, I'm always when you look at my legs, man, I'm taking care of my legs. Like, yo, come see what this about. Oh, man. No, for sure. For sure. I'm I'm not gonna wrestle. I'm leg extensions. You know what I'm saying? I'm making sure I'm keeping the quads, the hamstrings. You know what I'm saying? I never don't mess with my legs. Mm. Them boys gonna be squatting five, six, honey. Yes. And that will be hard. They, they, they, they go take one leg and kick you. Nope. And it's over with. They ain't going to disrespect their dad like that. Uh-uh. Y'all gonna be wrestling. Oh, okay. They ain't gonna have a choice. They, they gonna put that leg down, put that foot in the dirt. I ain't gonna get the wrestling. Lift you up. Don't let them jump. No, if they jump, they, if they jump, you call your boy. Okay. Cause if mine jumped me, I'ma call you. All right. For show. For show. You understand? Please. Hey, listen. I'ma just sit your face down. I'ma be like, I'ma sit. Hey, listen. Ain't nobody over here. Ain't nobody over here. Like below victim weight. You know? So you go out to make sure you're working out. Listen, I still got. The young one, he might be like 180. You might, you know what I'm saying? I'll give you him. I'll take James. Oh yeah. I won't. We use right even same weight. Oh yeah. Yeah. You got action too. You got action too. No question about it. You got no base. Run over here to the Giants, baby. Giant tackle Dexter Lawrence has requested a trade. He said he will not participate in team off season workout program. Lawrence has two years remaining on his deal and is currently scheduled to make 20 million this upcoming season. Oh, he has no more guaranteed money. There you go, Joe. A man ain't got no more guaranteed paper. Joe, do you find this surprising for him to ask for this? Are you surprised that he asked for a trade? This is, no. This is what he, when you are in the point of your career, when you know that you're trying to hit the table, you're trying to always, if he didn't have a good season or if he did have a good season, you know that it's only too many more times you can get a cut at that. You know what I'm saying? A slice at the pot, trying to get another contract. So when you see other people get deals and you feel like your money isn't where it should be, and you know like you're still under that 30 years old where they're not just taking your cut, they're not just taking your money. They're not just giving you a less contract because of your age. When you still feel like you can get that bag, he's trying to go do it. So being able to feel like he's outperforming some of his contracts, seeing other defensive tackles signed for more money than him. And he knows like, I just, it's not gonna be too many more times I can do it. And I think that's what it is at this point. Yeah, so if you look at it, I guess he signed his deal in 2023. He was getting paid around the top guys at that time when he signed it, other guys signed the deals. Of course, it's no longer in that range. I think they say he's like around, like 10 middle of the pack, somewhere around there. Contract negotiation, he's trying to get some more guaranteed money. His money is no longer guaranteed. But you got a new coach in hardball. Hardball said, I think in February, he said Lawrence is super, super important. And he's a cornerstone football player. And he's like, okay, well, show me, prove me, prove it to me and show me by paying me. And I already know there's people out there that's gonna be like, oh, well, you know, he signed the deal, you know, so he should just go ahead and play. Nope, y'all don't have that same feeling when they tell the player, hey, take a pay cut because they don't feel like he's playing up to the value that they're gonna pay him. And right now he feels like he has outplayed what they had given him. 1000%. Biggest thing is no more guaranteed money left on his contract. And the last year of his contract, which is not this year coming, but next year, he actually gets paid almost $4, $5 million less. Dude, I think where he's at is, yo, it's smart for him to ask for the trade now so that you're not asking for a trade after the draft. He's letting everybody out there know that he wants to be traded. So he has a better opportunity of a team that may be looking to draft that position. They're like, you know what? You can go and get him and fill that spot right now. I have no problem with it. I'm cool with it just as I'm understandable. If I'm the owner and you wanna ask for a pay cut, you go have to be understandable as he is outplayed the contract. Of course, last year he didn't have that grade of a season, but you're talking about a guy that clogs up the middle that's going to take two every time. And he is definitely the top, if not one of the top, if not the top tackle on the inside right now. So I have absolutely no problem with this and I'm all for it, brother. Debo, you, when we connect, when we think the same thing, we think the same thing. Like the coaches, I don't feel mad at like the ownership too. When they're trying to get players to get pay cuts, if you underperform your contract, they quick to chop it up and tell you to take a pay cut, you're underperforming this deal. We need to restructure. When the shoes on other foot, he's outplayed this deal. He feels like he doesn't have any more guaranteed money. He sees the market. It's been three years of other detackles signing and resetting that market. He just seeing that number go, yesterday's price is not today's price, it's real life going on in the national football league. And when you see these players are like this, no, like 20 million sounds good to you, but another dude in my same position is making 40. And I think I should be right around that. Cause this is my last time to get this guaranteed money, to get that contract to when no matter, when you say guaranteed, when it matters if something happens to me, I can get chopped, I won't get another deal. There's no more money coming forward. So then they can start using that against me. So when you say, I think the biggest thing for him is the fact that it is no more guaranteed money. Yeah, no, for sure. That's the biggest thing for him. I think the top guys, maybe like, maybe five or six million higher than him. Okay. Or no, take it back, maybe closer to 12, and I'll think about it, but his range would be closer to five, six, seven million higher, you know, but the big thing is, he has nothing left as far as a guarantee. And the last year's deal is like 15 or 16 million on that last year. So yeah, yo, show me, or let me go get it somewhere else. I'm not mad at it. I'm not surprised by, hopefully they could figure something out, but when you see players do this, I don't, I'm not surprised when you see good players that are under like- Guess who did it? Guess who did it last year? The other year, brother. Last year, I think it was last year. Was it last year? Yeah, it was last year. Guess who did it last year? Was it? It was my mom. It was my mom's. Mm-hmm. It was my dad. He ain't had no guarantee paper like, like, hey, let me go. But oh, you know what I pay me and you want to guarantee this right here? Yeah, okay. I got you. Show him. I'm talking about a good man, you know, Cam. Just trying to figure out what's going on with the bread last year. Like just when you feel like you're out playing your deal, you see other contracts happening in the same spot and the NFL is not for long. What have you done for me lately? They be ready to take a cut if you wasn't doing good. Yes. I'm trying to go get that dough if I'm outperforming my stuff. No question, bro. I have no problem with it. I'm all for it. I want to see more of it. Can't stop thinking about it. Don't want to see it in Pittsburgh, though. What? I'll play. Y'all playing under your contract. I'm a fan, though. I am. No, for sure. Because we look, we're not, look, that's the other thing. Don't ask for no restructures then. You know what I'm saying? Either way, you all going to be, I'm not going to ask for a restructure and you all don't ask for a restructure. If I have a good season, are everything's good. If my season wasn't as good as it was, we just averages, laws of averages. Like we signed this deal at the beginning and y'all got me for four. Don't start it, y'all don't want to finish. You're going to give what you're doing something that we can't do. I'm going to give you my best every single year. It may not be this, every time, I'm going to give, boom, it might go a little bit, okay? Don't worry, we're not going to tell you that I take no money off. Good question. But hopefully that thing get back up to where it's supposed to be, okay? Listen, the owner started this, when they started asking for pay cuts, y'all signed a man to a contract, then y'all want to tell him, oh, you ain't played good enough, take a pay cut. So don't be surprised when he done outplayed his contract and he's like, you're going to get a raise. Shoot on that foot, that's the only thing I'm saying. I'm not like, yes. I want it, I want it. Look here, what I'm finding a little confusing though, is the Vikings won't begin the GM search until after the drive. Why is that? Why do you think that is, bro? Like what makes you, huh? So you won't. So this is what, my only question will be is this, who would be the, is the head coach or the owner, the ones picking the players? Who wants to be in control then, instead of the GM, that's normally the person that kind of does that stuff? Do you know what I'm saying? So, I guess it's going to be the head coach and I would think the owner that would be making the calls. I guess right now they got a temporary GM, I can't, I can't pronounce that name, buddy. Okay, they got a temporary GM right now. Let's call him K-O-M, K-A-M. I don't know what that name is. Cook, cook, nope, I ain't about to mess it up. I ain't even about to mess it up. Joe, try that name, Joe. God, they ain't even put it on mine, they just said. No, no, no, hit the, hit the, hit the, hit the, hit the, hit the doc, man, try that name, brother. I can't, I can't get that one. I can't get, I ain't gonna try that one. But my thing is this. Yes. You're expecting a GM to come in and agree with whatever it is y'all picked and then have to take, I guess, responsibility for that and not have any say or knowledge or the process that led to it. I don't understand that. Yeah, that's- So you gotta give him leeway. So if y'all don't do good, you gotta give him leeway. Never get that GM job. Make sure y'all sign for like seven years. Yeah. You need a good three to four before you get people in place that you need to make sure you can have the players you want to start developing. Yeah. That's what I feel like. Unless you just start picking and picking up guys that are already established. Yeah. I'm not just who's making it. It just doesn't make any sense to me, honestly. Like- Yeah, I'm lost, brother. You just gonna kinda see, you kinda putting somebody out to dry in one way or you're letting him know that, man, you got some leeway because these ain't the players you pick. So it's a little bit of both. I just wanna know, whoever does pick the players, who? Who's gonna be the one that's gonna be able to decide? Because I wanna, I never liked when you don't know. So you never know who to blame. You never know who's the way to point the finger to. This is who you pick. This is why you picked them. Okay, now you can at least stand on them from their success. Now the GM wants to take all the success. It's like, oh yeah, they were good. What a great, great draft class. But if they're not good, anybody that's, oh no, that wasn't me. Like, I don't know. There's no way they can, yeah, you can't even put this on him. You can't. You already saying you're not gonna hire a dude till after the dry. So basically the dude that come in has to be in a grudge with who you drafted because he can't come in there and be like, you know what? I wouldn't have picked this dude up, but they did. But like, you can't. Yeah, so after the search, they got to just be like, this whoever y'all got, yeah, I'm all with, that's why I would have picked. Right. Oh yeah, I liked all these guys. Oh yeah, oh man, God, great pick. Great choice. I'm stepping into, you know, already made spot and all I gotta do is go in here and get in. Your board is my board. Right. You know what? Wow. As I was applying for this job, I was looking at who you guys drafted and you know what? It was identical to who I was thinking about and where I was thinking about getting them. I'll tell you, you talking about studying for a job with all the answers? You got answers to the test. Right there. Those are your favorite places. I might go for GM. What they paying over there for the Vikings, man? What? What the GM making over there, man? I know I can go make me pretty outstanding. It ain't peanuts. Hey, it ain't peanuts, nah. It ain't peanuts. It'll keep your life on. That's for sure. I need something to keep the life on. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna be a bad down here, bad, man. Man, you a liar. Wifi? You're gonna wifi going out all that, you know? Came good, good service. Sometimes that's just the weather. That's just the weather sometimes, not for that out. I ain't gonna lie, Joe. Maybe I ain't paid my bills on time. We know money wasn't coming in. You know? It wasn't coming in. What happened with yours, Joe? No, we tied up with mine. I know yours wasn't buying the money off. Don't buy it, just use the whole little weather. Look at how it deep up. Yeah, I know yours was better. Look here, man. What's up? Your Masters. Look at the Masters, brother. Look at the Masters prices on these burgers, man, on all this food. Why is this food so cheap? That's crazy, man. I had been to the Masters one time and couldn't believe it. Most expensive sport ever got these prices. They do it great. They do a good job. Why don't the NFL give us no prices like this, man? Why don't the football game give us no price like this, man? I give me some, what is that? Pork barbecue, some pulled pork right there, brother. Look here, put that up there. Build your $10 order at the, $10, bro. $10, you can't get a water, I don't think, for $10 at an NFL game, bro. Maybe a water. It was actually amazing how cheap the stuff was. They do a great job by that, D-Bo. Why is that, bro? I don't, they must make so much money for the tickets or the people that get in the Masters that they really not, they really not. They ain't trying to grab the little stuff. They get a sponsorship or all that right there. They ain't trying to rob a fan that's just trying to come and see somebody play some golf. They just want you to come in there and you can't bring yourself. Have a good time, bring the family. There's no, there's no, and there's no cell phones. There's no cell phones on property. So everybody there, you are just there in the moment, chilling, nobody got no phones, no phones. That was one of the- So you're into it. You are. You ain't nothing trying to- Nobody's probably, nobody's crazy doing that, nobody's on the thing. You in the moment is one of the best experiences I went to, D-Bo. And just it being cheap, it just makes it like, dang, this is what it's all about. They not trying to, they not trying to just, they not trying to rob us. You gotta be quiet though, Joe. I don't know if I can do that. You can do what? Be quiet, you know, he's going to swing. He's swinging right now. You can't talk in his back swing right now. He's got about six or- No, no, no, it's just after like, they not swinging back to back to back to back. So it's like, they're like, just calm down for a second. He swing, and then you can react to it and we're chilling watching. The shot, da-da-da. And you got you another three minutes until when the dude goes behind, he's about to hit. They throw their hands up like this. And then that's when we got about. That's when you shut up. That's when you go, all right, D-Bo. D-Bo shut up. No, no, see I can't take that. You ain't about to be telling me shut up. No, no, no, no, no. Nobody's going to say- See, they're going to say shut up. They're going to be like, D-Bo. I'm going to get through all the masses, bro. Yeah. No, bro, we had so much fun though. But you go, post up. You mass the same place every year, too. Every sync, every year at the same exact place. Augusta Georgia. Augusta Georgia. Beautiful. We might have the golden next year, man. The most beautiful golf course, D-Bo. In the world, I seen. And then we just walking on it, chilling, looking. Like, because now I'm really in the golf and that spot was unbelievable. Maybe Tiger will be back next year by then. Who knows? Man, look, when I was there, Tiger was there, but he was limping. I think it was 2022. And like, he just got out of something, man. It just looked hard for him to walk a little bit. Yeah, he probably limping right now, too. He definitely, oh, yeah. Oh, I didn't get to talk to you about that. He was looking tricky. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Just call the phone. Just call the phone with Donny. He said, yeah, I was just on the phone with the president. Just call the phone with the president. Hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Sit me, sit me. How'd you go out the phone with Donny? Hey, man, put the prices back up, man. I need Joe to give me that $10 order at the masses, man. Oh, the $10 order at the masses. Tell me what you go get, man. I'm going with the, I'm a- What's your sandwich, brother? My, I'm a go, I'm a go, I ain't gonna lie. Pork barbecue. I'm with you. Yep. And you know, second row breakfast, I'm a breakfast sandwich, but I'm a, I'm honest, I'm a sauce, egg, and cheese. But if they got bacon, egg, and cheese, I do it. But I'm a first and foremost, I'm a go, sauce, egg, and cheese. I might go, sauce, and bacon, egg, and cheese, but I'm, yeah, I'm a go, the breakfast sandwich. So we sitting in the sex, and then I'm a go chips. I'm a go chips. Want some chill? Cause I'm a chocolate. You're gonna go chocolate chip. I'm with you on the first two, Joe. But I really ain't chipped. I just ain't tripping. I started to say chipping. I really ain't tripping on the snack. Cause it ain't really nothing there. That's really jumping out at me. Listen, I'd rather go and get me a iced tea and a water. Ooh, see, that's what, okay. No, I'ma do, I'ma do two, I'ma do two waters. Cause I don't really like, I don't really do too much. I see I'ma do double hydration with a breakfast sandwich and a pool of pork. Cause the breakfast sandwich, hopefully it ain't dry. You know they doing that sweet tea down there, not a Joe's. Okay, no, no, no, that's a fact. That's a fact, but I'ma still double water it. I'ma double water it. Okay. Yeah. Smooth. Hey Joe. What up? They got a $1.50 cheese sandwich. Pimento cheese, what is that? Pimento cheese, see, everybody was talking about Pimento cheese. You should know. I mean, everybody was, I had, I don't, I don't understand that Joe, but that's how you know this is a Joe. This is a little, this is a little different, this is a lighter event. And ain't a such thing as a cheese sandwich where I'm from. It's just, it's just like, it's basically, it's, you know, real light. It's like almost like little bites. I've heard of a grilled cheese. Yeah. I ain't heard of a Pimento cheese sandwich. Man, that was my first time hearing a Pimento cheese sandwich. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie to you. No disrespect. Was not the biggest fan of the Pimento cheese. Yes. You know, it's all good. That's why I, nope. Teach is on. Glut, glut, me. Yes, definitely. Definitely, dude. Like I don't, I don't know. Let me flip back. I'm a go. I'm gonna have to stay with the pool, poor. I might hit the first fruit. Wow. Yep. That's what I thought you was gonna do at first. Okay. So I'm sitting, I'm sitting 550 right now, right? I'm not a cookie. You a cookie person, D? What I really want to get to though. You want some wine? No. I ain't trying to get, I ain't trying, I ain't trying to get to the wine. I don't like the white wine. I'm, you know, I like, when I was younger, before I, my, my, my, my palate. The palate. Sure. You know, I was like, I was like, I was like, all that sweet stuff. You were a dessert wine. Dessert wine. You know, boom's fine. You know what I'm saying? Joe, let me tell you about this dude. I had a birthday party, right? I had my 30th birthday party dude. So I done bought this wine collection dude. So I done gotten to, or was it 40? I think it was my 40th birthday. Take it back, it was my 40th birthday party. So I done gotten to this, you know, I done gotten to the wine thing, you know? It's tasting good, all that, right? Yeah. When I say, I got red wine dude, like, I got, I got, I got petrus or people call it patrus. Like I got, I got wine. Yeah. And I, you know, and I'm having my 40th. So I didn't invite a few people, whatever. Got my family there, man. I got all this wine out. I got, I got a lady there to serve the wine, all this dude. I got, dude, like, you name it, bro. You know. Everything. Everything, bro. Everything. And I'm talking, you, your bottom, your bottom bottle might've been 250, 300. Your top bottle was around 45 grand, right? Yep, yep, yep. There you go. Talking, you got that good bag. That's how I went broke. Let me get back. That's what, that's what happened, Joe. That's how I went broke. I ain't got no money now. All right, bro. Broke. That's how I went broke, Joe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna be broke. I'm sitting up here and, you know, I'm trying to do the little fancy thing, man. I got my homeboys that got a little taste. They're like, oh man, this is hitting, man. I got, you know, I got, I got, I got, I got French Bordeaux. I got everything, Joe. Everything. Yes. And my people, of course my people. Ooh, this shit nasty. This shit tastes terrible. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Hey, for real. Oh, this shit nasty. This shit tastes terrible, right? So I'm like, man, y'all don't know what you know what I'm saying. I'm trying to talk to you. Y'all gotta swivel it a little bit. So, all of a sudden, bro, I hear they talking about, oh, this is good. This is real good, man. This is real good. So I'm like, what they talking about? I'm like, hey, what y'all like? What y'all like, right? So I, they're like, it's this one right here. So I go over to the, you know, the lady I got serving them. I'm like, which one they like? Which one they like? Bro. These, these people. Ha ha ha ha. These people done went into the refrigerator and grabbed a big bottle like this, right? Yeah. It's barefoot. Bro, that's insane. These things started to do something, dude. Yeah. She did not even have it on the table. She was serving it from underneath because she was like, I just didn't think you wanted to get up there. Hell no, I don't want it up there. You know? So I'm like, what are they drinking? They're drinking. And she's like, I'm like, which one they drinking? So I'm looking, you know what I'm saying? I'm looking at the white burgundies and all that. She's like, and she could pull it out from under. She's like, it's this. I'm like, these, these people done went into the refrigerator, bro, and grabbed like two half gallons of Boone's farm or something barefoot, something like that, right? It's barefoot. It's barefoot. That's what it was. It's barefoot, bro. It's sweet. It's, it's, it's, you know, it's your bottom. Brother, when you first started. They killed that. Yes. And then they was mad. It was no more. I said, man, y'all can run your ass to the store and get that for $5.99. And you know what they did? They went right to the store. You got it? I'm telling you, D-Bo, that's actually hilarious. Bro, they tell me, I don't know why he got this nasty ass wine. I hear nobody want this shit. Yeah. I'm telling you, it'd be like that. Family and wine, though. Bro. Like you said, you were like that at the beginning. You were only drinking the whites. Yes. He was only drinking the whites. It's the same with me. The Riesland, the bubbly, the dessert wines. And then you start like, oh man, this is too sweet and then you start getting red. Yo, when you come here, man, we go out to try this nice little dessert wine I got for you, man. I got a little bottle of that Chateau de Kim. I got an 86 for you. We go try it. OK, OK. Let me go. Respect. Yeah, no question. I'm going to remind you. Don't worry. I'm going to remind you. Yes, sir. I know you like wine. So you know what I'm saying? I ain't too on the sweet stuff, but you know what I'm saying? It's either. You know, more of it. If you ain't on the sweet stuff, then you ain't got to go there. I'm on the sweet stuff. I'm on the way. I got some. I got a little bit. I got. It ain't that old. Maybe I got maybe like a couple bottles of that 2004 like came. I'm not came. But that opens. OK. Yeah, there we go. That's what I'm talking about. That opens one. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. OK, OK. I got it. I got it on the rummage sale at. Yeah, yeah, yeah. $59. Yeah, yep. Sure did. $59. Let's hit the super chat real quick, Joe. We got. Well, you know, we got coming in light. 10 dollars coming in light. She stayed with us. She stayed with us. She said, James. Oh, well, do you know your co-host, Joe, was the first true freshman in Florida Gator history to start at cornerback on opening day? Which team did they play? She's asking me or she's asking you. They just asking you. But I don't know you on the she asking me. How well do I know, Joe? I know what team he played. Ain't no. Another poll. See. She was another poll. Joe, hold up. Your very first game, right? Very first game. Warm up game. What? Yes. Warm up game. OK. So it wouldn't be a divisional game. Out of conference, did you pay him to come near? Obviously. You better not be in state. No. Hold up. Do you know who it is? You looking it up, Joe? I don't know who it was. I think it might be Weston. Hey, Joe don't know himself. Joe don't know. I think it was Weston, Michigan, though. If I had to just really guess, I thought it was Weston, Michigan. But I still didn't get it. X covered the life who it was. Covered the life who it was. Put it in the chat. I'm looking for it right now. Look for it, Joe. She know who it is. She definitely know who it is. Oh, I'm going to go to the next one. She sent another $10. She said, Joe, do you know James? 2007 breakout game against the Ravens. Had three and a half sex, three force fumbles. But also recorded a famous tackle on a punt return in that game. Who was this Hall of Fame? Oh, Airee. That was easy, man. That's all over TV. And that's the one you hit him made him fumble the ball flew in the air. Yeah. Yeah. You saw that. No, yeah. And we just talked about that game the other day when we was on with Coach. Didn't we talk about that? Man, Coach is talking about how you was rocking people on special teams. That's all we he say the specifics of when and who. Yeah. Coming to life. Said it was Western. It was Western. OK, no, I knew I knew it was Western. I promise you I didn't get to see it. But yeah, West of Kentucky. Because I miss you because they wasn't scary. Missing. No, I didn't. I said West of Kentucky. But the only thing was the real game I remember was I think it was my third like my third game when we played Tennessee. That's when she got real. Because when we played West of Kentucky, our team was way bigger than they team. I'm like, OK, this isn't really looking cool. Tennessee came in there and was looking just about the same size as our team. So I was like, oh, OK, OK, we got some new up there size. Check it out. Damn. Yeah, I looked. I was like, man, they linemen look victim weight on West of Kentucky. This might not get this might get ugly for them. Oh, man. Coming back back again. $10. She said, please remember it's a gust of bougie in the middle of the ghetto. Thanks again for a memorable episode yesterday. I watched it a lot. If Troy coming, let me know now so I can fix my. I mean, you a funny one. I'm a I'm in. I mean, I'm in I mean, I'm in talks with Troy, but y'all know Troy is not really a person that likes too much of the limelight. I may have to give up, you know, maybe one of my first bonds or something. You know, oh, man, you know, just to get the man on the show. I'm working on it. You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm going to have to either give up one of my kids, one of my animals, one of my reptiles. I'm going to have to give up something. You know what I'm saying? So I might have to give up mango. OK, right. I may have to. I don't know if he won't Kevin. Kevin, a snake. I don't know how you feel about snakes. Maybe my dog. Maybe I don't know if you see. I give him James, but I don't think he's going to want James. So I'll let you know in time enough to get your head dead, though. You hear? Thousand percent. I'm going to let you show because we got to get some what's the name. We got to get the Browns in here, too. So I already. Yeah, I'm going to let you know. But I don't know who we do have coming in here on Friday. Oh, why are we seeing Michael Pittman, Jr. is scheduled to be with us? OK, there we go. Y'all don't know. Friday. OK, I like that. Yes, sir. Hey, Joe, I ain't going to lie to you. What's up? I mean, you could talk to Joe Thomas and, you know, yeah. But don't. Don't say nothing. You know, about. Just don't bring up. I might have called him because he's a Joe when things was kind of sketchy in Mexico. So I hadn't. I hadn't I hadn't called him back and let him know that, you know, it wasn't going to happen. So he might might bring that up. But I just wanted to give, you know, let you know that I had called him and you saw the bow and Joe. I had hit all the Joe's up, you know, I'm saying. And that was like a perfect, you know, I'm saying, to keep the Browns. The Browns going. I mean, like I said, right there, we had you in the middle. You know, I did. If I didn't make it, that was the perfect Joe. I just just want to know. No, I'm in the air for sure. I appreciate that. I appreciate you. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, look here, man. We want to thank you all for joining us on this episode of the bow and Joe. Please make sure you like, subscribe and download when you get to show. We will be back here Friday with Michael Pittman, Jr. newly acquired receiver for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Joe, love it. Well, I see y'all on Friday. Same place, same time. Let's get it. And we out. 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