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Yeah, they were like, I wasn't going to say anything, but green? Oh my god. Well, today we have a ton of wedding stories. We've done wedding stories before and they're always the best. They're the most drama-filled. Emily and Bailey have found a new subreddit that they've been scouring called Wedding Shaming. I think we've had some stories from there in the past, but they really delved into it. And, uh, boy, do people make some choices at weddings. Oh yeah. So I've heard. I wonder if there will be like ring talk in it too. Ring talk? You know, like, ring drama? Ring talk? I'm assuming there's some of that. I'm assuming someone's going to wear white to a wedding? Oh, of course. Oh, but of course. I never understand that choice that people make. They know it's such a blatant rule. Yeah. But people go for it. I assume with those rules, maybe there are just outliers though, right? There are genuinely people that haven't caught up with what we all know. Some people just think they're above rules sometimes. That's true. Certain rules, but I'm special though. Yeah, that's true. But it's a really cute white dress. But it's so cute. It's so cute. Shane, can I say the joke? Can I say the joke? Say the joke. Welcome to Weeding Wedded Wedding Stories. Let's just cut that and put it into the beginning. Into the beginning. They'll fix it in the edit. Yeah. That was my joke. I'll make it work. Yeah. That was my first wedding story. Okay. Let's just all get married at the end of this. Yeah, that'll be great. Yeah, I've never been. I've never been. Okay. And then, you know, we can leave Shane out. Just okay. Okay. Okay. Our first story comes from wedding shaming. This was posted a few months ago as of recording this. I recently went to a wedding reception where the seating arrangements were alphabetical by first name. Ooh. Fun. All the ands and bobs at one table. All the Joes and Kates at another. Regardless of whether or not any of them knew each other. If you came as a plus one and didn't know anybody besides your date, too bad. No exceptions. Strictly alphabetical. Except for my one friend, Caitlin, who was seated at the K table for some reason. No, we still don't know why. Sounds like a typo. Okay. There was one table that was pretty much just women named Sue, Susan, Suzanne, who didn't know each other. There was one table where a guy I know, his current girlfriend and his ex all got seated together. Oh. Basically everybody ended up standing around the edges of the room all night. Edit, because I've answered this 10,000 times already. Caitlin's name was spelled correctly on the seating chart and on her place card. That's why it's funny that she was seated at the K table. No, it wasn't a hastily corrected spelling error. The seating chart was hand inked calligraphy without any awkward crossouts. They wrote Caitlin on purpose in the middle of a bunch of K names. That's why it was worth commenting on. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Edit number two, can we please all chill out a little? Nobody died, nobody cried, some people swapped seats around and it made for a good story. At the end of the day, it was a nice wedding. Also we all know the one thing that really matters at a reception is that the food was damn good. Okay. Well, yes. Wow. I'm going to be honest after all of this, because the wild choice. After all of this, I have a couple of thoughts just about OP. I love this. I love this. It wasn't their wedding, it was just a wedding they went to. Supposedly, that was a shame, but it has me wondering if OP, if this was their wedding and they're like, ah, isn't this crazy? You guys think they did this? And then it's like, edit two, stop. Guys, everybody chill out. Stop. But even regardless of that, I love when people post things, this goes for anywhere on social media, when they post things and then they're surprised by the internet being the internet. Right. Yeah. You see it a lot on TikTok where they're like, guys, my boyfriend's so crazy, he doesn't wash the dishes. And then the next one's like, guys, stop being mean to my boyfriend. Okay, he's actually great. He loves me very much, I was teasing him. You put this out there. Like the internet was the internet. 100%. That is so interesting. Very much could be. Because it feels like a bold choice that's almost like a joke. Like it was meant to make everyone mingle. Exactly. Yeah, like it was supposed to be like a cute quirky, everyone get to know each other. Maybe Caitlin was at the wrong table because it's like, K-Tlin. Like K-Tlin. Oh. K-Tlin. Like there's K in her name. Yes. Yes. K-Tlin. That's really good. See, but that tells me that these people are funny. They have a good idea of like, oh wait, that's like smart. Yeah. Wait, guys. Like this is really quirky. Smart. But it is. I think that's really funny. That is something that like from our view, not attending this wedding, not having to sit by your ex or anybody like that, it is funny from afar. It's all, yeah. It has me thinking of a lot of fun ways to have seating arrangements that are also extremely messed up. But like to organize the entire seating chart by height difference. So tallest to shortest. And you just, you don't tell anybody. And they'll show up and they're all there and they're like, I think everybody at that table is really tall and we're all really short. I know what table I would want to be at. Yeah. Or you're organized by like hottest to least hottest. And nobody knows. And everybody's like, wait a second. What if it was like funniest? Yeah. You don't tell people what it's raked on. It's just like at some point in the day, the groom is just like, just so you know, we seated you all in a specific order. You must figure out what the criteria is. Let me have ensue. Honestly, really fun. Really awful. Really awful. No, no. So awesome. Because at the table, then it makes everybody be like, okay, so what do we all have in common? What are we? What are we? So wait, what are we? Yes. It's like we were all placed here for a reason. Why? Ugh. Could be a really fun, horrible game to play. Yay. Murder mystery but not. I like it. Yeah. Courtney, you and I would not be sitting close together at all. I'd be so far away. No, no, no, that's fun. Who would I be with? I would be with Chance. Oh, yeah. I'd be Damien. Oh, yeah. I'd be by Spencer. Lucky. I'd be my, I'd be my, I'd be my, you'd be the triple A. I'd be by Amanda and Angela. My triple A. Oh, triple A would be there. Triple A. A squash wedding. Chance, Courtney, Damien. Bailey. Let's make this the video. Tommy would be close to Spencer. Let's just build the Smosh table assignment. Yeah. Because somebody will. Someone out there designed this. Someone will make it. I remember planning an event similar to this where I thought a version of seating with some mingling involved would be fun. But it seemed like at the end of the day people preferred to just be with the people they knew. Because, you know, people are anxious and like to be with their friends. Well, a wedding you're also stuck there, kinda. Yeah. Weddings are designed also, I mean not designed, but like they're a great opportunity for a family to get together. So you kind of remove that element. It's like a reunion. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's also particularly cruel to separate the plus ones. Oh, that's a rough. That's so messed up. Like you came with somebody to this wedding and then you're like, have fun with the steak, you know. Yeah. Because weddings like, plus ones to a wedding, it's kind of like a romantic thing. People like see it as like, hey, well you could have this wedding with me. So we're in a rom-com now. Yes. Like so that, and then you show up and you can't sit with them. And then, but that's also the funny scene in the rom-com where you like, I guess I'm stuck with these weird people. Yeah. And you see the date across the place being funny with the other people and you're like, he's really great as me. And then eventually, you're like just later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just later. I think he's gonna be the one. Too bad his name starts with his, too bad his name starts with his Z. Xander. Xander. That's an X. They start with K. Xilophone. We have comments here. Someone said, this person loves an icebreaker at a professional meeting. Icebreakers mentioned. Someone said, I'll do you one better. I once was at a wedding where at one point all the guests had to form two circles, one inside the other. So you would face another guest. Every couple then had to hold each other's hand. And everyone sang a little song about how happy they were that the other person was here today. And then the inner circle rotated. So you had to do the exact same thing with a new person. And again and again and again. It's not so working. That's a cult. No, no. See, that's not fun. No, I'm like, please. I'm so happy you are here. I'm so happy. I love how I'm really. I forgot about the song. I was like, hello? I love how I'm really. I'm so happy you are here. I'm so happy you are here. I'm so happy you are here. I'm so happy you are here. I'm so happy you are here. I'm so happy you are here. Hello? I love how I immediately know that that was a dry wedding. Like, I'm like, that was a dry wedding. Or. You're not doing that shit when you're drunk. Or they were all so stoned. Or they're hammered. And that was not in the plan. And they all collectively did it. So happy. Guys, the Tito's is telling us to do this. I'm so happy you are here. Someone said, why on earth would anyone do this? Laziness and lack of emotional intelligence is my guess. OP said not laziness and not ill intentions. Yeah. I think this was OP's wedding. I think this was OP's wedding. Yeah. Not laziness and not ill intentions. I think the groom genuinely thought it was a fun way to get all the different people he and the bride shared about to meet each other. He was really smart. I think the groom was really handsome. Who's really hot and has a huge dick, by the way. I think it was a great idea. Yeah, yeah. She was completely out of left field to these comments. I think the groom is packing. Just so you know, I got that sense. It was great, but the alphabetical thing. Yeah. So the alphabetical thing was weird, though. Oh yeah, no, that was fucking weird. Only someone who's packing heat can do that. Okay. Someone else said, if my wife and I went to a wedding with this BS, then we would just ignore the seating chart and sit together. OP said we did, smiling face. Okay, so it didn't matter. Huh. Huh. We did smiley face. We did smiley face. We did smiley face. This was OP's wedding. Yeah, that was your fucking wedding. Yeah, OP, we know. You abandoned the seating chart because you were up at the altar. You wanted to put a post on wedding shaming to see that everybody thought your idea was actually amazing that they weren't going to shame it. And it didn't work. That's slipping past us. That's right. Fuck you, next story. Just kidding, I hope it was a lovely ceremony. If I did go to a wedding, I think I'm the type that if I went to a wedding and it was seated that way, which is so absurd and chaotic, I don't think I'd be mad about it. I'd be like, this is crazy. Yeah. Like I would get mad if it was designed in a way very intentionally that also split people up. This was just a pure chaos move. I do. I'd like a break in the simulation moment. Yeah. When you break the simulation, you're like, what even is seating? Yeah, yeah. Your outies come out. Your outies are out. The innies are in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or innies are... They're like... Wake up. I'm here. They're like, all right. Your scene chart, you'll find your name on a table. There will also be another name on the table that is your target. Find them. Shoot them. Shoot them. Kill them. They're searching for you too. Yes, there's the gun. The groom. The groom. Only the groom has a gun. As a big gun is cock. All right. Okay. Okay, we must move on. We must move on. Okay. With Woop, you can focus on living better for longer. And your sleep, optimize your training, and build habits that support your well-being. Woop gives you personalized insights into your sleep, your recovery, your strain, and the patterns that may influence how you feel. With more clarity and consistency, you can create routines that support you throughout the year. Add more life to every moment. Discover Woop at Woop.com. It's fine. Our next story comes from wedding shaming. My cousin faked her own wedding to get money and gifts. That's just wrong. That's just wrong. That's so, so bad. Gosh, that's just so horrible. I can't even take it. That's just so wrong. Pranking about being married is horrible. Like what? Did she like make save the dates and stuff? That's awful. Did she do it on April Fool's Day? What a bastard. That's the worst of it. Huge piece of shit. Yes, you read the title correctly. This happened almost 20 years ago and is still talked about amongst my family. My cousin declared to all of us that she met this great man. Six months or so later, they were expected to be married. Now, my cousin had lucked out because my mom and aunt agreed to prepare all of the food. The wedding venue was at my uncle's house, not her dad. He has a huge amount of land, so the ceremony was set up outside with chairs, and there were tents put up for the reception and the food. My mom's side of the family is big. We have people all over the country and some even overseas. So we had over 100 people who agreed to travel far and yonder, rent cars, and get hotels in order to attend this wedding. Oof. See, I didn't do that. The morning of, my cousin, the bride, was acting so sketchy. She was so reluctant to get ready. She kept taking off her gown and putting on casual clothing. We were all so confused. We thought she had cold feet. Meanwhile, my mom and aunts were sweltering in the kitchen preparing all of this food for all these people. Someone noticed she kept making trips to her car and would come back to the house. But we were all so busy setting everything up that we didn't focus on it too hard. What made matters worse, the groom was nowhere to be found. People kept telling her to call him. She did, and apparently it kept going straight to voicemail. Guests are arriving, preparations are being made, and the groom isn't here for his wedding? We were questioning her and asking her what the hell is going on, and she says he had a meeting yesterday in New York, but he was supposed to come back last night but didn't. Making it seem like he stood her up. Instantly, we deflated because we could tell that she was lying. She went outside for a moment. My aunt took her phone and looked at her call history. She never called him once. We all started screaming, wondering what the hell is she trying to pull here. My aunt calls him and he picks up. She asks him where he is. He says, I'm in New York for business. She's questioning him. How are you on business the day of your wedding? I'm sure none of you are surprised by the fact that he had no idea there was a wedding, let alone a wedding he was supposed to be getting married in. He was in shock and couldn't believe my cousin did all of this. But he said he never proposed to her and planned to be away this weekend, and she knew that. We all go outside to confront her, and she's gone in the wind. Gone in the wind? Gone in the wind. She's gone in the wind. Those trips to the car she was taking, we found out later from her son she was taking gifts and money off the table as they arrived and stowing them in her car. My uncle said when she came outside she tried to grab more, but he stopped her from grabbing them so soon because it looked tacky. Not having any idea, that was the whole point for this entire charade. He made a joke later that night. Well, guess this was just another family reunion. Moments after that people were just going back and forth about all the money they spent. My mom spent over $700 on groceries for the wedding, $300 renting a car, and money for a hotel. My dress was, I don't even remember how much, from David Spridle. I was her flower girl who never got to do her job. Whenever I share this story with people they find it insane. I absolutely agree, but looking back on it, it kind of makes me chuckle at how ridiculous it is. She still very much is the black sheep of the family. Unfortunately, this is not the worst thing she's done at our expense. What? Whoa! This isn't the worst? Don't still talk to her! How did she show back up? That's one. How do you show back up after that? That's wild. I for some reason thought it was going to be like a heist, and her and the boyfriend did it together, but no, he was none the wiser. No, he had a meeting in New York. And she was gone in the wind! It's actually, it's so sad to think about all the stuff that she did wrong. Like, incredibly inappropriate for her to just involve her family overall. What a terrible heist. Rob a bank. Like, Rob, at least Rob someone you're not going to see again. Right. You don't care about your family at all. At all. At all. I get infuriated when people, like, people do bad things. I get really mad when they do them really stupidly, because I'm like, not only are you doing a bad thing, you're also insulting everyone's intelligence. You're doing it badly and stupidly. Yeah. But I'm like, you're trying to get free gifts and money, so you staged a wedding with your entire family there. That's wild. To rob your family. And just leave. I'm like, you okay? But she kind of pulled it off. I hope those gifts and money were worth losing your entire, she didn't lose her entire family. They're back. They were fine. She showed up to Thanksgiving and she was like, hey. Yeah. And they were like, hey, that wasn't okay. She's like, I'm sorry. This is the last time she's ever going to see them. It's truly like, I would never, like, how could you do that with any inkling that you might see them again? Yeah. It seems like they don't care. That's just attached to her form. And it's not even her worst offense. And this family seems very forgiving. They're like, eh, I spent $700. Well, that's not even the worst thing she did. I know. I'm shocked. They were like willing to go this far. Like, I'm shocked they have any trust for her. Did she have a name? No. Caitlyn. Caitlyn. Oh, that classic Caitlyn. Classic Caitlyn. OP did comment other offenses. Worst offenses. To name some, she's taken scholarship money for college from her son and used it for her own benefit. Oh, a son? He never ended up going to college. She stole social security checks from my aunt with dementia, who is in her care and has gotten involved with grimy people just to make money. Why are you talking? Well, there you go. No, no, no. She's a scammer. She's a famously known scammer out of the family. Wow. Holy crap. How did they fall for the wedding? Wow. Also, she has a kid? I'm just... This is like old school. Yeah. Like, I'm having a hard time. Hey, I'm good for the money. Come on. She's going to borrow a couple of thousands. She may... She may see you look like a pastor. A saint. You got to up your game. I did nothing wrong. You got zero money out of all your friends. She's an honest woman. You did it for the love of the game. No, honestly, I'm having a hard time not being impressed. This is... She pulled off a lot. Awful person. A terrible. Kind of cool. Like, but awful. Yeah, like terrible. You know, robbing your children, robbing your aunt with dementia, objectively terrible. I'm like, you're the worst kind of thief. Horrific. And the fact that her family is still keeping her around, it's really sad. It's so interesting. I know. I'm like, wait. Yeah. Come on. Like, at that point... Sorry, the son... The son's in college now, so she's like... Well, the son can't go to college. He can't go to college because she's... Well, but the scholarship money. Okay, but they said he never ended up going to college. He never went to college. So that means... The son is not just like a girl in her early 20s, getting a little cash, getting it back. Like, this is a grown, grown woman. Yeah. Doing this stuff. And she's just continued to do this. Mm-hmm. That sucks. Yeah. Um, someone commented, is the groom still with her, or did he leave her after that stunt? Oh. Oh, he said, luckily he ended things very quickly after that. So at least he had the sense to... She was probably taking money from him, too. Yeah. Yeah. So the whole wedding was planned without anyone really knowing the groom, meeting his parents or anything like that. Hmm. Someone said, due to living in different cities, my mom and sisters-in-law didn't meet until the wedding day. It is rare, but it happens. OP said, like I said, we have family from all over and don't live close. A lot of us have never even met the man, let alone knew what he looked like. My cousin's dating history is pretty terrible in itself, so we weren't surprised that she agreed to get married shortly after meeting him. But you're entitled to believe what you want. Lastly, someone said, love granddad well, at least we had a family reunion. Yeah, that's true. That's an upside. That's true. Can't became an impromptu family reunion with food. Yeah. They got to collectively like shit on cake. Well, guess this was just another family reunion. Yeah. We love a common enemy. Yes. Yes, she's doing him a favor. Jesus. She actually might be a saint, actually. Yeah. Honestly, not the asshole. Honestly, best person we've ever heard. Yeah. She's just picturing her like with like a silk scarf around her hair. Oh. And it's flowing in the wind and she's driving away on the convertible. There's like a blender in the passenger seat. Yeah. Like, like that's what I mean. She's gone in the wind. Like a bad thief. Gone in the wind. You didn't even get good shit out of this, really. She got a blender. You could have gotten like, I'm like, You could be a better thief. Right. Like she's like Robin Hood, except she just steals from her family and gives it to herself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm now trying to think of like life events that you can fake and get more money out of. Not for me. Sweet 16. Do you think anyone's ever faked their own death and gotten their own life insurance money? Oh, 100%. Like that's... People do all the time. They drive the car off the cliff, leave the driver's license in the car. But then how do they pick up the life insurance money? Because they're dead. Pretend the call be there, mom. You get a really big trench call. Hi, this is his mom. And I really need that money. Yeah. My son is gone in the wind. I'm gonna go back to the center of the church. And he's packing. And he's packing. He's penis. I just want to make sure you know that. Hey, just need you to know that. All right. That's going to be hard to top. That was a crazy one. All right. Aitlin. Our next story. This comes from Am I the Asshole? Yes. Am I the Asshole for having a no ring, no bring wedding? Huh? No wing, no wing? No wing, no wing. Oh, I know this. I know this. I know this. I think I heard this. I think it's, I think it's if you're not married to your plus one, they can't be there. Oh, I've never heard of that. No ring, no bring. I think. That's what it sounds like. Hotline, hotline, hotline bring. I loved it. I loved it. I've been a weird place today, guys. This is a great discussion to have so I can't, I can't wait to hear the story. No ring, no bring wedding. What? They okay. Welcome to Weeding Wedding Story. No wing, no wing. No wing, no wing. No, in the wind. Gone in the wind. Using a throwaway account for this, I'm a 32 year old woman getting married to my fiance, a 35 year old man next summer. We've been together since this January, which might seem sudden, but have been living together since Easter and both know that this is the relationship we want to be in forever. This was posted in November, so they've been living together since Easter. So half a year maybe. I am the last of my core friend group to get married and have, playfully of course, been teased about being the last one standing since the second to last friend got married last year. That, along with being the youngest sibling and youngest cousin, means that there is no one important in my life who isn't already married or engaged. When discussing wedding plans originally and in line with our budget and venue size, we realized quite quickly that we wouldn't be able to have many, if any, plus ones. To me, a plus one is a friend of a friend or unmarried slash not engaged partner. From everything I knew about my fiance's friends that I'd met, they were all married and there is one couple engaged to be married next spring. He had often mentioned a friend, a 33 year old man, who lived at the other end of the country and his partner, 29 year old woman. I clarified they were not married or engaged and so only included the friend on the invite. What my fiance failed to tell me in advance was that this couple had been together for 10 years and will never get married due to some kind of trauma that the girlfriend has from her parents' marriage growing up. Given the no plus one rule, unfortunately I couldn't make an exception for this once I was made aware. I was contacted by the wife of my fiance's best man to ask why this friend and girlfriend were the only couple to not be invited together and despite explaining the above, she thinks I could have been more flexible. My fiance is concerned that his friend won't attend the wedding. We are close to the RSVP deadline and we haven't yet had his response. But my own friends don't see an issue with the no ring, no ring as a rule, given how expensive weddings can be, especially with guests I don't really know. I personally just don't want to make things awkward at my fiance's friends wedding in the spring as we have been told this couple will be attending. Okay. That's... It's like I made this rule and I can't... I'm sorry, I can't break my... I can't break this rule. It's like... Yeah. It's your wedding. Do whatever the hell you want. Totally, totally. This is a clear indication of the concept of like keeping something just because it's a rule or a ritual or a tradition. When it's like there's exceptions, there's outliers. Like there are reasons to break this made up rule that you made up. Yeah. Like the fact that these people have been together for over 10 years. Like, and because they haven't assumed a traditional role of their relationship, they... Like, dude, there's an imaginary ring. Like, they've been together 10 times longer than you guys have, if that. Yeah. So, like, that's very silly to... Even though the RSVP deadline has not happened, like I thought like, oh, it's too late and like literally the wedding's today. But it's like, no, there's time and you're just choosing to... That just feels very black and white and not fair. Yeah. It's like, it's like you're putting so much value on this concept of marriage and the ring is so big when it's like... I think when people are trying to use that rule, usually it's to signify a strength and relationship and a commitment. And I get the idea of like, oh, we want people at the wedding who like will probably stick around in our lives. Like, eventually they'll get married or like we'll see them down the line at maybe their wedding, like that kind of thing. Right. But to strictly just be like, if you don't have a ring, then you don't come into the wedding, like that feels strange. It's bullshit. She's trying to remove any responsibility by acting like, oh, this rule was placed upon me. It's like, you made it a fun rule because you thought it would be in line with everything you were already going to do. Turns out that's not the case. You're going to exclude one couple. Just let them come and call all your friends who aren't married and say like, hey, here's the number that can attend. So like, I had to, in order to get everybody, I can't have plus ones for all of you. I personally think that they're just super into the marketing idea of no ring, no ring when it's like, clearly she wasn't saying no plus ones unless you have a ring. It sounds like she was checking if people were engaged or not, married or not. I was like, okay, they're not. Okay, I'm only going to put his name on the invite then. So it's not even like, oh, and bring a plus one. It's like, she's inviting people by name. Yeah. It's not like a casual, you can't have a plus one. It's just gymnastics at that point. Yeah. Like fixated on the expression for some reason. Yeah. Like they like that idea of it. Yeah. Really silly. The verdict is asshole. But the girls. I also, last day I'll say is like, she's talking a lot about her experience and why this rule is like funny for her. We're not hearing much about the groom and it sounds like she's excluding the groom's friends. It's sounding selfish to me. It seems like personal. Yeah. Comments, as someone who had been single for so long, you would think she would be more empathetic to unmarried people. She should know better. You're the asshole. Someone said, you're the asshole. I'm sorry, I thought you and your husband were getting married. Why is everything about you? Oh, unfortunately, I couldn't make an exception. Fuck out of here. It's your husband's wedding too. And if he's upset or concerned that his friend can't or won't attend, then why are you the only one that gets to a say in the matter? Sounds like you and your friend group put far too much value on a ring. Someone said, easy fix. Invite her separately. I totally get that you don't want people bringing dates just to make up the numbers, but 10 years is a long-term relationship. Longer than a lot of marriages. If it's important to your future hubby to have his friend there, then make this one exception. Marriage is about compromise. Who else is pressuring you for plus once? This sounds like a non-issue. Invite their long-term partner and be done with it. No one else knows the exact nature of everyone who is invited's relationship. You are impacting your future husband's friendships. You're the answer. Yeah. I think that's one thing I'd say too is, I think whenever we read stories around weddings and choices made within the wedding, you can't treat it as an isolated choice. It is a statement toward that relationship. That choice is a message in a lot of ways. A lot of choices about weddings are a message. It's sad that the groom's close friend is maybe not going to go because they care about their partner. They might have been with their partner longer than they knew this friend. Definitely. Yeah. It's just selfish. I agree. I think it definitely feels like an individual choice. What I was going to say earlier that feels peculiar is the way that she described her relationship to marriage in the beginning of the post, talking about how no one pretty much important in her life is unmarried, which I found kind of strange. She did declare, like, hey, I got teased about being the last one. As that top comment points out, it's like, hey, you know what it feels like. Why are you doing this? Yeah. It's almost like she wants to turn it around and give some shame to other people now that she's crossing the finish line. It kind of reminds me of something that I struggle with a little bit, and I feel like in LA this is common, of people who are so dedicated to an aesthetic that they're willing to ruin an event. It's like, no, this is the theme. This is the thing. And it's like, hey, man, due to what you want the optics of it to be, you're making it a bad time. Yeah. That's what she's putting this weird rule on this that is going to ruin it. Yeah. It's definitely something deeper, I think. Yeah. I'm telling the idea that the relationship that she has to marriage, this expression, no ring, no ring, I think it is some sort of underlying feeling that she has about it, which again makes sense, but it's important to dissect and make an exception. Right. Yeah. Update, update, update, update. No update. Save the date. Save the date. Gone with the wind update. Gone in the wind. Gone in the wind. I see I said it properly that time. All right. Well, good luck to them. Yeah. Whatever happiness to you two. Yeah. Can you tell this was written by Angela? This comes from Wedding Shaming. Best man speech was incredibly insulting to the couple. Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, Best Man. We love, we love a horrible Best Man speech. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For those of you that don't know me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, Bobby. Yeah. All right, here we go. Good. I was a guest at a wedding, knew both the groom and the bride before they started dating, and they are both very lovely, slash kind people. The groom's family had an attitude of, it's about time. Having seen the groom date people, party in the city, etc. He was not old by any means, early slash mid-thirties. The Best Man was the groom's brother, and his speech still lives rent-free in my head. He got up and started off with some jabs about typical family slash brother slash athletic banter, and then turned to the couple. He goes on to explain that their relationship is similar to how the groom shops at Ikea. You go through the store, so many options. What about that one? What about this one? Can't make up his mind, so you keep moving, and eventually you get to the warehouse area where you pick up the parts, and then right before the checkout line, you look to your left and see the return slash incomplete bin, and grab something out of there right before checking out. He chuckles at this point, and the entire audience is silent except for someone who audibly says, what the fuck? That would be Spencer. And then someone came to grab the mic away from him as he was raising a glass to the couple. His own brother roasted him and her, comparing her to the last possible option, broken or damaged. At one point, a family member of the bride had to be restrained from a fight. I think it was her cousin slash friend, not sure. The buffet line was super awkward right after that, and everyone was talking about it for the rest of the night. Luckily, the couple brushed it off and didn't let it dominate the night. I would have been out for blood, but they kept it classy. A distant relative said, I've been going to weddings my entire life. Ain't nothing as bad as that crap. Woof. Okay. I like, I wouldn't even grasp what the best man was saying. So, yeah, he was saying you go through Ikea, like you see everything, you're like, you're shopping, and then right before you check out Ikea, there's the incomplete, there's the broken bullshit stuff. Right, right. That's really cheap, and you just grab it right before you check out. I know, it's so crazy. He's like, I'm like, oh, so what are you, so he's checking out with some, so I have notes, I have notes. It's also not bad. It's also not bad. Oh, so you found something great and you're checking out, but also you found something lost and damaged in this other section. Yeah. It doesn't even work. Unfunny bad writing. Yeah, like if you're going to insult someone, at least have it be like a good analogy. Yes, make it juicier. Yeah, this was dumb and also mean. And your brother? That is heartbreaking. Was he drunk? Was he drunk, Shane? It sounds a little planned, though. It was actually too good to be like, he might have been drunk, but I think he kind of thought about this before he was drunk. You think he thought he was going to like eat? I think he thought like, this is awesome. Is he going to like eat? Well, I mean, look, not reading that hard into it. It is objectifying, too. Yes, so yeah. The way he's talking about, like, I think I know what this guy thinks about women, just based on how he's talking about women being things that you go through Ikea and just grab or whatever. Even just the idea of shopping. Yeah. Like what? Hello? He could pick whatever he wanted and he chose that broken bullshit. And I thought this speech was going to go like, and then he looked left and he saw a gorgeous, juicy, shiny hot dog at the food court. And wouldn't we all enjoy that more? Yeah. Wouldn't we? And then that joke is gone in the wind. It would have been better. I think you guys need to get a writer's room. Yes. You and the groom. Let's workshop that. I don't know if I'm going to work with this groom, the miss man? You can punch him up. I can punch him? Punch him up. It is. Out of all the wedding speeches I've heard on Reddit stories, that's definitely in the top three. That's awful. It's not even well constructed. No, it's poorly written. The couple is, I'm very impressed by the couple. Yeah, I feel like they're like, they're being classy. Wow. I don't know if, I don't know. I also got to give mad props to the person in the back, just what the fuck? Yes. Did I just hear that right? Someone needs to be that. I think the couple probably were like, well, everyone got to react for us and like maybe they weren't surprised by this brother. You know, you never know. Yeah, people were in their corner. Totally. And it was like, he did his own shame. He was the best man. I mean, damn. The best man and brother. You're right. He was, so the brother had to have at least had some respect for him. Or felt pressured. Well, I think sometimes, like, it depends on where it comes from, the decisions for a wedding. It's like, well, I have to make my brother my best man because he's my brother. True. A lot of people do it out of obligation, just because you're a sibling. There's reasons. Comments. Everyone wants to be the funny man. In reality, most people should simply be a little sentimental and a lot concise. Wedding speeches aren't your opportunity to be a stand-up comedian. Say something nice about the groom. Say something nice about the bride. Say something nice about them as a couple. Toast and put the microphone down. Nothing more is needed. 4,000 upvotes. Someone said, I remember one story here, as in on Reddit, where the maid of honor, a childhood friend of the bride, decided to regale the guests by sharing how, when she'd sleep over at the bride's house as kids, they'd go out into the yard late at night and poop. In the morning, father of the bride would find it and blame the dog. So she concluded with a sparkly smile, now you know it was us all along. By this point, the bride's face could not have been deeper in her palms. That's an awesome story. I'd rather the best man take a shit on the floor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And say that to the couple. You can pick up the shit and toss it at me in my white dress, but don't do that. But don't call me a piece of furniture. Someone said, my husband has horrible social anxiety and was the best man at his best friend's wedding. He was dreading the toast and went last after everyone had given their long, heartfelt, sometimes funny, sometimes awkward toasts. People were ready for cake and dancing. He stood up and just said, I'm so happy for you too. I love you guys. It was perfect. Someone said best man sucks buck kudos to the person who said what the fuck. I've read so many stories of situations in which people were too stunned to call out the asshole behavior. Someone said to be generous, I get that he was maybe trying to say, hey, my brother found something he wasn't expecting at the last minute, but not the right comparison. A friend went to a wedding once when the best man said, you know, I'm happy for them. She seems fine. That was apparently not what the best man had meant to say, but he got stage fright and totally blanked on his speech. Bryden Groode still gave him a hard time. Someone said, what if the bride had just left being compared with damaged things picked up as the last option is not what you want to hear on your day? No. He took us on a journey. He took us on a really bad journey. Don't even want to go through Ikea on a good day. Yeah, Ikea? I like Ikea for like the first half and then it feels like a movie that goes on too long where I'm like, all right. Oh, we're bringing up rooms that I forgot about. This makes me think too, like how much of a wedding is just what we do because it's what other people do? Do we need the maid of honor and the best man's speeches? Do we need certain things? Maybe whatever you want. When we did our big family celebration, we chose to each do a speech and then we were like, okay, and then we'll just do no speeches just so it's fair to everyone. And sometimes I look back and I wish like, what if I just let them get passed around? What would people have said just like, because it could be funny, like what do people, I don't know, but also you might hear something you never wish you had heard. Yeah. But yeah, we chose of like, we will thank everyone for being there and like we don't want anybody to feel left out. What I think about though is like, how many times I hear about like when people have these opportunities for speeches and stuff that's like, don't try to be funny. Like it's just, it's like, yeah, if there's something that's a really sentimental, funny joke, sure. But I'm like, the amount of times that people go for the funny thing and it's insulting, because it's selfish. It's like, oh, are you trying to get a laugh? Or are you trying to make that person feel special? Like when you're giving a speech, especially at a wedding, the point is to give the spotlight. Which is kind of opposite in so many other situations where you're giving speeches because it's maybe it's like, oh, you want an award or like you're, you know, like maybe a graduation thing, but this is a very unique one where you're not trying to have the spotlight. And the easiest comedy is just shitting on another person. Right. It's the lowest common denominator. And it's like wedding jokes or marriage jokes. I feel like they are originally so deep rooted in just like domestic issues and just like the old ball and chain, me old, whatever, like me old. With those speeches too, I find it so funny. I've gone to a handful of weddings where people, and you know, with the right amount of taste, you can do it. But a lot of people also choose to go up there and make jokes about them being single. Yeah. You know? It's just like, once again, it's like you're taking the spotlight away. You're talking about yourself like it's not like, yes, if I'm a guest at a wedding where I don't know anybody, I'm entertained by it all. Yeah. Right. But truthfully, it's like, if you're there and this is someone you care about and they're getting married, like this is kind of almost more of an opportunity to talk directly to them and be like, this is a core memory. Like, what do I want you to remember forever? Totally true. Like, instead of thinking about like, I'm in front of all these people, it's like, no, you're kind of on the spot for your friend right now. Yeah. Yeah. Just you and them. You and them. That's sweet. Our next one comes from Wedding Shaming. Another wedding shaming story. They want my daughter to be a flower girl at their wedding, but I'm not invited. Oh. Okay. Well, that's here the relationships. That's here the relationships. Break it down. Have I been eating crazy cakes? Am I off face? I really need to know. Have I been eating crazy cakes? Am I going in the wind right now? Am I going in the wind right now? Am I eating crazy cakes? Am I eating crazy cakes? Crazy cakes. I want to be eating crazy cakes. That sounds awesome. Damn. Damn. Okay. Damn. I'm crazy. But she wants that crazy cake. I go into Suzy. I go into one of the Suzy cakes. I'm like, do you guys have any crazy cakes? They're like, come to the back. Yeah. They're like, dude, you're the one that reads Reddit stories. No. Do you read Reddit stories? I'm like, no. Just the cakes, man. Just the cakes. Just show me the cakes. Becky is someone I have known for many years. We're in the same social circle, more like friends of friends, but we're not super close. It's really more like an acquaintance I run into from time to time. I do see them and hang out with them at gatherings probably three to four times per year, but I've never been to their house nor them to mine. I'm a single parent to an 11-year-old girl and I received a call from Becky who has never called me in her life before this, asking if my daughter would do the honor of being a flower girl because there are no other young kids in her family. Side note, my daughter would eat that up. She'd love to be a flower girl. I asked for the wedding date and where it was, and she told me that it was at a winery in the middle of nowhere, almost two hours driving from where we live. But she also said that it's an extremely intimate wedding for family and a few very close friends. And unfortunately, there wouldn't be room for me at either the ceremony or reception. I'm sure you can understand. I told her I'd have to look into it and call her back because honestly, I was too stunned to reply. Listen, I have zero problems not being invited to anyone's wedding. You do you and your day, no problem. But let me get this straight. Becky wants me to spend the time and money on getting a flower girl dressed in shoes, drive my kid two hours away to a winery in the middle of nowhere, and drop her off unsupervised with a bunch of adults. And I should do what? Wait in the car? Wait down the road? Wait in the bathroom? Wait in the kitchen with the caterers? LOL? There isn't even a cafe within a 30 minute drive. Am I off base thinking this is just totally bonkers? No, that's crazy kids. F.B.I. Open up. Yeah, I'm like, you're sketchy, dude. Yes, can you send your child to this winery in the middle of nowhere unsupervised for us? Like what? Yeah, that sounds insane. It's actually like, it's like gross. It's like, you don't have kids here. How low? Let me take yours. I'm dropping off a child. Yeah, your 11 year old is going to be alone here with a bunch of adults they don't know. At a winery where they're drinking. Yeah, this is atrocious. No, that's awful. They want to cast a flower girl for a wedding and not even have a chaperone for this. It's a child. Yeah. No, they're making Ikea man look really good right now. Truly, truly. A flower girl doesn't have to be a child. Let me just say, I would eat that up. I think it could be a sleigh. Honestly, no, get the oldest person there. That's the epic move. That's awesome. That's gorgeous. Have her in a goddess wrap fabric. The flowers are not in a little basket. It's in those the fruited loom baskets and she's like holding it under the arm. She's like, cornucopia. Dude, she's so gorgeous. I'll do you one better. Get a Roomba. Let it just roll down. It's going to suck them up, Shane. It's going to suck the flowers up. A reverse for a flower girl. Reverse, yeah. It's a reverse for a flower girl that eats them up. And then you know what they do? We eat them up. You know what Roomba's used to do that? What? Sucking air. The flowers will be gone in the wind. They use this wind. No, I loved it. No, so thank you guys. A beat. An unbeat club. No, this is someone who I think has just maybe not been around kids in a long time. This is creepy as hell. They don't know how kids work. They're just like, yeah, can we just grab that kid? Just have him. Give us your kid a flower. My dream flowering has a kid. Just let that kid just run around. Whatever. We'll give you some wine. Yeah. There are so many weddings with no flower girl. Like literally. The child isn't significant. They're like, it's a really intimate wedding except for this strange child. Yeah. We'll be throwing plants. They're calling up. A dream. They're calling up someone they talk to three times a year. They're going, yo, can I borrow your kid from my wedding? Yes. Absolutely fucking not. I'm actually thinking about that now too. Like somebody that you see three times a year and just being like, can I have your stranger kid? I don't think I do it. It's like, who are you marrying? It's like, oh, my husband's name is William Afton. Just like, yeah. No. Yeah, no. It's FNAF. It's FNAF. FNAF. No, no, no. I'm like, yeah, okay. If my daughter wears a body cam. I'm not like that is so beyond weird. I'm reporting you. I'm recording you with my child's body cam. Yes. Comments, you're right. This is bonkers. I'd be saying no, no matter how much she would love being a flower girl. I would not be leaving my 11 year old daughter alone with a bunch of people she didn't know who would be drinking 7,000 upvotes. Think about how scary that is to down the aisle. Like just the flower girl being like, I don't know anyone. I mean, she said her daughter would be cool with it. But the person asking does not know anything about this daughter. They're just like, yeah, random kid. Come on. Absolutely. Of course, like I would never want to put a kid in that situation. No. I would never too. The mom is speaking in a way of like she would love to be the flower girl surrounded by maybe her relatives, surrounded by like people that she knows and is comfortable with, but put her in like a strange environment and she's probably like, why am I putting flowers on the ground right now? But also like not even having a supervision. Like 11 is not even old enough to babysit a younger sibling when the parents are away. That shouldn't be. 11 is arguably like kind of the worst age to be stuck at a wedding by yourself. Oh. Because you're not like a little tiny kid that doesn't like. No, it's not. And you're definitely like, what the hell am I doing at this wedding? Yeah. But you're also like not a teenager where you're just like, I don't know. That would suck. I would suck. I'm side-eyeing this family till the end of time. I'd be like, you guys are sketchy. Are you on a list? I like that she, I just feel like I have to make note of it. I like that she was like, let me get back to you. Yeah. And so it's just like immediately emotionally reacting and being like, hold on. Is this, am I crazy? And now she has the full wear with all hopefully to call back and be like, no, definitely not. Absolutely not. Someone else said, it's also a red flag that the bride supposedly doesn't have anyone closer to her with kids than OP, who's an acquaintance. If they don't have any kids in their life, why would they want a random one in their wedding photos? Someone said, I think the red flag isn't that she doesn't know anyone with kids, but rather that she wants a child that she doesn't know at all to be part of her wedding for the sake of aesthetics. A child is not your prop. And yeah, obviously not knowing that kids don't just attend weddings on their own is daft. I 100% agree that the kid would be completely ignored once their duty was done. Someone else said, I would suspect OP's daughter is a beautiful child and this entitled bride wants the appearance of a picture perfect wedding because all of the possibilities are creepy or just weird. Someone said your daughter is not a prop for her Instagram wedding. Yeah. Exactly. I would hope that that's the reason. Yeah. I would say that it's the aesthetics as well. Likely she wants that cutie all moment when the flower girl comes out and she wants everyone to be amazed at it and it's just like, you can't get that. No. You don't have a kid. Update. Let's go! Let's go! Every eye, open up! Boo, boo, boo! We're here with the wind. We're here in the wind. We have the wind with us. They say you're in the building. The wind is going to speak to you now. Honey! Sorry. Sorry, she's in the wind. In the wind. So this text message string is from a few months ago and I'm just getting around to posting the updates. We got screenshots! We got Thursdays! We got text messages. All right. OP writes, unfortunately we are unavailable at that time sending warm wishes that your wedding is everything you've dreamed of and wish you both the best in your new life together. Congratulations. Classy. It's got free. They write back, for real? Two question marks. You're busy over a year from now? Just say you don't want to do it or are broke. Just say you don't want to do it or are a brokeie. LOL. I was trying to do something nice and include your kid in my day and you can't even be honest so rude. I don't know why you're acting like this. OP writes back, come again? WTF? I tried to take the high road but you had to push it. So let's get this straight. You asked me to dress up my 11 year old child, spend time and money to drive her two hours away to a remote winery and hand her off unsupervised to a group of adults she doesn't know just so she can perform in your ceremony while I, checks notes, wait alone outside like the hired help. Let's call it what it is. What you are asking for is a prop, a glorified insta accessory, not a guest, not an actual human being. I declined politely and you accuse me of being rude? What the fuck? What's rude is treating my child like a decorative accessory, a fucking prop. If that's not bad enough right there but then you add acting entitled to her presence without extending even the most basic respect to her parent. The fact that you don't even see a problem with this is exactly why the answer is no. Yeah bitch! Seriously, what the fuck are you thinking? You are completely delusional. Please stop texting because you can fuck right off. I won't change my mind. Oh! Okay. My queen. They continue right. Reader, I have to confess that the two glasses of Cabernet Dragon woke up inside me. Yeah! Hell yeah, I did. I kind of went off on a rant. Was it my finest moment? Absolutely not. Did I say fuck right off near the end? Yep, that was me. Yes! And I blamed the wine and the fucking audacity of well all of it. On the plus side she never replied and it has been months so I assume the role of unpaid child actor went to central casting and this episode is closed. Wow! Holy shit! Wow! Yeah, they went to central casting and got someone who's over 18 to play younger. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. You know what? I am interested. Wow! And you can get a rasha. And I will do it. What in the world? That's so crazy. To see actual texts and be like, damn, this isn't fake. Yeah. This someone really did this. Fakes for real? For real? For real. Just tell me if you're a grokey. Who the fuck talks like that? There's going to be so many casting directors at this wedding. This is an incredible opportunity for your daughter. Hate that, hate that, hate that. Wow. Okay, so she sucks. She's awful. Yeah. And we love a woman who's mad after a couple glasses of wine. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. Cabernet Dragon, Sendling. Do not talk to any woman after she's had two glasses of wine. You're not going to get it. No. You just, you wait. No. You love me when I'm hangry. But you hate me when I'm two glasses of Cabernet Dragon. You hate it. And that's our speech. That's why Brent and Sydney, you guys are the best. I'll get out of here. Still better than the Ikea best man. I'm, I'm, I'm not. You guys are, so Brent, when you went to Chili's and you were to the triple dipper, but you only found, you found the one. And I always need there to finish your meals because I love you. I love your experience. You're sitting in the crowd and you're like, okay, yay. I wish I would pay. I would pay money to go to a wedding where the bride and groom are giving those types of speeches to each other that are so atrocious. Oh yeah. Where it's like, babe, you're so freaking hot. You know, just want to, yeah, like, where she, and she's just like, Brent. She's like, dude. Yeah, I can't wait to make you pancake. Yeah, you need to. For sure, babe. Yeah. He's like, yeah, babe. Dude, we do talk to love. But of that, did we? Oh, yeah. You said, stupid. And you're just like, yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Oh, it's the best. Thanks for letting me game. I'm gonna be game with my boy. He would go to Poundtide with you and then play Skyrim asking. And she's like, oh my God. All right, we have to move on. Okay. We need more. Our next story comes from relationship advice. He won't dance at our fucking wedding. I think I found my deal breaker. Oh. It's a 25-year-old woman and a 30-year-old man. Oh. We've been together five years. We're engaged, planning a wedding, and he won't dance. Says he doesn't want to. He's even pushing for choosing a venue that has no capacity for dancing at all. What? He's not dancing. No, he's not. No, he's not. No, he's not. No, he's not. No, he's not. No, he's not. No, he's not. No, he's not. No, he's not. No, he's not. No, he's not. I think I found my deal breaker. I think I found my deal breaker. I think I found my deal breaker. I think I found my deal breaker. I think I found my deal breaker. I think I found my deal breaker. I think I found my deal breaker. I think I found my deal breaker. I think I found my deal breaker. I think I found my deal breaker. I think I found my deal breaker. I think I found my deal breaker. I don't want for people I don't like because he wants me to. And yes, he does dance at those. I know. I do all I can to make sure his life is improved by having me in it because I want him to be happy. And I have asked for one fucking thing, to dance with my husband at our wedding over a year from now. And he doesn't want to. And any push for him to do it leads to him saying I'm pressuring him to do something he doesn't want to do. Despite the rant, I do love him. He's a good partner and we want the same things. And we've been together for years and he loves me, but he won't dance with me at our fucking wedding. How do I tell him that this is important to me and I need him to do this for me without making him feel pressured? In the wild, pressured to go like this? We cue back to what we were saying earlier of girls posting their boyfriends and being like, yeah, so he doesn't clean the dishes and he doesn't respect me. And then another, like the second post is, guys, stop leaving hate in the comments. He's great. He loves me. He actually loves me. She led with that too. She was like, guys, this is what he's doing and he's done this whole relationship, by the way. Like she's like, this is the entire tone of our relationship, by the way. It doesn't sound like it's been a deal breaker for this person, but it should be. The wedding is the most important time to show up for your partner, arguably. For a lot of people, it can be. So if he can't do this one thing that he does at other weddings. She posted this on relationship advice and I'm like, what advice are you seeking right now because you give us all this shit and you go, but I do love him and he's actually great. I'm like, what response do you want here? Okay. I think I've got it. I think I've got it actually. Okay. It can get tricky when it's in the territory of like, how much am I changing this person versus how much are they helping me grow? And just because I could see from her standpoint of possibly reasoning her way out of breaking up with this man, of just thinking like, oh, maybe he is right. Like I am again, pressuring him or I'm asking him to do something that's uncomfortable. She has enough evidence, I think, to make the decision of no weight. Like he's dancing at other weddings and he's not doing things like household chores that make them on an equal plane. Like that feels enough to where she should, but maybe that's the gap. That's where she's struggling is validating herself and feeling confident in separating from him. I'm sure he shows up in lots of other ways and she's not just listing that. I hope so. So that's probably what like masks over everything. Yeah. It's hard though. Like I have to assume there's a bunch that she's not telling us. Of course. Because what she's saying is he does all the stuff he wants to do, but never wants to do anything for me. Yeah. And if that's your, she says at the beginning too, that's our relationship in a nutshell. And I'm like, so it's bad. Yeah. So you're telling us it's not good. Yeah. Like she's being a good partner, but he is. Yeah. He's not there for her. She's making sacrifices for him, but he's not willing to do that. I also think it's just like knowing that he does dance at other gatherings and stuff that are when it's on his terms. It feels like he's making this choice control move. Like I will not dance at our wedding. Like, because I've been in a relationship where someone denies me a thing because they know they almost find it funny that it hurts me so much that they deny me this one thing that is as simple as dancing at a thing. And also I relate to a lot of this. She's like, I learned to ski for him. I put up with his family. I hear that and I'm like, oh, so is he not even willing to get to know your family? And you guys are about to merge families? Yeah. I'm obviously like, I have a personal bias in this one. So I'm reading into it, but like, a wedding is, it's an important time. And like some people get premarital counseling to like make sure they're doing the right thing. Yeah. So. Yeah. I think I would suggest that too. Yeah. I mean, because I think what also she's saying is like, should I make this a deal breaker? Could mean a couple of things at once. It means should I really hold strong to this and make him choose? Or is this the reason that I break up with him? It's kind of like, it feels like it's both of those things. That's exactly what I was thinking as well of like, it seems like it's building up. The wedding is approaching. And now she's like, now would be a great time for someone to give me permission to get out of this if possible, especially because dancing seems to be like, at least dancing at the wedding, it's something that she's clearly valuing. And she's like, well, this I really, really want. So now I finally have to ask the question, should I separate? Yeah. Yeah. Because it's not about the dancing. Obviously dancing is fun and nice, but it's like, it's clearly like, oh, you don't see how much when something is important to me, how it should be important to you too. And like, yeah, I hear you on like the should this, is this my reason? Is it okay that this is my reason to back out? But it's like being married and getting married is a big thing. Like you don't have to have a reason. If you don't feel ready, you don't feel ready. Like, but I think the counseling is a great option. Honestly, it doesn't have to be like an end all be all of like, okay, great, you're not dancing. That's it. But it can be a conversation of like, so I've noticed this pattern with this, particularly it's really important to me. I'd really like to figure out like this stuff before we get married. And then in counseling, you can actually break it down. You might hear more situations or experiences that he's having. That might be enough to be like, okay, I can make this decision and not do go through the wedding. Yeah. A few comments here. Someone put in the quotations, the same way he doesn't want to do the dishes or cook dinner or clean. That's a bigger deal breaker for me. Oh, he said, I can live with that. It's annoying, but he does earn slightly more and works an extra half an hour each day, plus commute while I work from home. And he's terrible at all forms of housework. So I figured that was just something I would have to live with and accommodated for. No, he works an extra half hour. So I figured that was just something I would have to live with and accommodated for it. But this is just, no, this is the limit. This comment was downvoted. No surprise. Yeah. Someone said, I understand you love him, but do you like him? Can you happily picture yourself sacrificing your happiness, your mental wellbeing, your time just to not upset a grown man over the fact he doesn't want to do the dishes? It sounds more like you're his mom, to be honest, whether he's aware of what he's doing or not. I think this is the moment where you realize that no matter how much you give for him, he won't do the same for you, even if it's small. I would consider postponing the wedding until you are on equal footing to the point you can ask him to do this his part. And you feel like even your smallest requests are met with respect. Oh, he said, I like him most of the time. He's charming and funny and we're really compatible, but he can be such a pain in the arse when he wants to be. I do 95% of the housework because he either doesn't want to do things or he does them so badly that I have to fix it. I feel like his mother some days because of that. But then he apologizes and puts in an effort around the house and eventually he slips back. I'm gone in the wind. I'm gone in the wind. Can we unpack this a little bit? Can we just unpack that a little bit? Just he doesn't want to or is bad at them, which is weaponized incompetence. And she's like, well, he makes a little bit more money than me. She still works just because she works from home does not dismiss that she has a job. And so she's falling into a dynamic of male privilege. Sorry, guys. I'm saying the word of like, well, because he doesn't want to, I'm going to assume this role, which people fall into and it's not, not everybody wants to be in that role. And it sounds like she isn't satisfied with that role. Like, ooh. Yeah. And it doesn't sound like she wants to be in that dynamic forever, but she's fallen into a dynamic of he's in charge and he's in control. And yeah. Yeah. That first comment was really big for me. Honestly, I think I really liked that that person just quoted it and said that would be a bigger deal breaker for me. Yeah. Because that then doesn't also put words in OP's mouth. Right. And it doesn't say, you know, you should do this or like, you know, tell him this because you're right. Like not everybody wants that role. Some people do. Some people are fine with it. I think the best advice that this person should take in my opinion would be to just like reflect on her personal values and actually understand what she's looking for in a partner. If what she says is true, that that stuff doesn't bother her. Like that's totally fine. But then like, why is the dancing a bigger issue? What's the difference there? And really try to dissect and I don't want to say negotiate because it's not like a business deal, but compromise maybe. Communicate with your partner and be like, these are the things that are important to me. I understand that you don't want to do these things and I don't mind doing them, but can we do this? This is reading to me like one of the stories where we'll get an update and she will then reveal the worst things that he's done. Right. Because right now this is sounding very controlling and you mentioned male privilege and it seems very much like his values are that he is first priority here. He gets to do all his stuff. She's not allowed to get her stuff. And that's just what he sees as being right. He gets to determine the rules of everything. And a lot of it, it's like, it's the unfortunate thing where maybe he's dumb and really bad at housework, but also a lot of people very carefully, it's the weaponized incompetence, very carefully and strategically do everything to make the relationship super cushy for them. Yes. And this is just coming across as a real lack of respect for her. Yeah. I saw like if what she's saying is true. Yes. I saw a TikTok that was basically that too. I'm sure you guys maybe saw it too because it went really viral. It was like this guy like folding a blanket while his wife was like cleaning the rest of the room and he was just like sort of pretending not to like, he was like folding it and then like, and then like unfolding it and just like doing that for like 15 minutes. Oh my God. And she was cleaning like the rest of the room and then at the very end she like comes over and grabs the blanket and like folds it in three seconds and puts it down. And all the comments were like, hey girly, like he's doing that on purpose. Oh my God. He's 100% weaponized incompetence is what you said. Yeah. Yeah. Like that feels like exactly like that. He's just like pretending to struggle so he wouldn't have to do anything. And then her next post was like, guys, he's really great most of the time. He cooks really well. Yeah. Another comment said, ask him what the difference between dancing at the parties you have been at versus your wedding. Why doesn't he feel comfortable? What's the difference? Oh, if he said, I already asked him that thinking that it was the amount of attention or the setting or if he thought he'd be a mess on the day. And I suggested compromises to help with these potential issues like us dancing alone for the first 30 seconds to one minute and then having other couples come to the floor or letting him choose the song or literally just standing in one spot and swaying without moving our feet. Just get a little drunk. Let the music flow through you. But he just says he doesn't want to and dancing at weddings is dumb slash lame. That's a lot. Yeah, it's just. Why are you getting married if you think it's dumb? It's just like there's no, it's what you said. You're just not caring for your partner to be happy at all. If you know that this would make your partner smile, naturally I feel like you would be like, oh, then let me do this to make them happy. And this person's like, no, I don't want to. That's not someone you want to marry. That's not love. No. It's not respect. No. Update. You were hoping onto that. This was posted three days later. Three days. A lot can happen in three days. You could be gone in the wings. You could be so gone. So my ex fiancee. Uh oh. Uh oh. He's dancing now. So my ex fiancee got dragged through the fucking mud on my first post and I say that in the most grateful way possible. I was alternating between defending him and resignation in the comments, but I ultimately decided to hash this out with him. Meaning that if I restated how important dancing at our wedding was to me, along with a few other issues the first post brought up, such as me doing overwhelming majority of the housework, and made clear that I was thinking of leaving, he might fully get the gravity of the situation and he would either shape up or ship out. And I think that from the tone of this post and the title you can tell which one he chose to do, he was actually angry that I dared to tell him I needed things to be more balanced between us. I said it needed to be give and take on both sides, not just me giving and him taking. And he said I can't just change everything about us right before. Over a year our wedding. He took the ring back and went to stay with his family. The breakup happened on the same day as my post, so first of October. I felt really lonely the last couple days, so yesterday, the third, I asked a few girlfriends to come over tonight. The fourth, for a meal, or a drink, or a movie, or whatever. Two of the four people I invited didn't respond at all. The third was really hostile and the fourth asked if I was aware that my ex was telling people he caught me cheating on me. And showed me some screenshots of an Instagram and Facebook post he made. I have a childhood friend, a guy, who I reconnected with last year. We never dated but were always close and fooled around once or twice as teens. And my ex had said he was fine with us being friends, but now he's saying that we were sleeping together. I've told the friends I contacted that what really happened and while two of them have accepted that, the other two have left me on red. I've not even checked my own social media because I have no clue what I'll find. Show the Reddit post. I might need advice again. Any ideas on what to do about this? Regarding my ex, my friend who's been being accused, or the mutual friends that my ex has apparently already told. Show them the Reddit post. Show them the Reddit post. Yeah, send the link. It's literally time stamped. Dang, they broke up on Angela's birthday. Fully turned into what we expected. He's awful. Yeah, boy dodged. Probably was doing worse shit to her. No, just making up that she cheated. What a child. He did that immediately too. So quick with it. He was so ashamed and embarrassed. Well, he was just like, how dare you ask for this? How dare you is insane. Like any benefit of the doubt just completely dissipated. There's one comment here and it's a big one. What he did as far as accusing you of sleeping with this friend is inexcusable. He cannot hold his own self-accountable for the failures in your relationship. Your friend should know your character and have responded as so. If they weren't friends or they didn't know you as well as you thought they did. Don't worry about what those people think. You've spoken your piece and there's not much you can do about their reaction. You know your truth and that's what matters. Your ex is behaving like a child and I hope you can move on and find someone who is more emotionally intelligent. I'm sorry you're going through this but I'm glad you didn't marry him. Your future sounds like it would have been a nightmare. Hope he said, I think he knows how unreasonable he's being so he decided to make this bullshit up so he's the good guy to our friends. I'm glad too. I was expected to be devastated if we ever split but when he took the ring I felt almost lighter. I can't really explain it. Not better exactly but lighter. Good. Yeah. I know that feeling. Oh my God. Wow. Well, that sucks. I mean that just proves his point. If what she's asking is so crazy then just tell people that. Just tell them the truth of why you guys broke up. Yeah. I mean the Reddit post again like it is exactly what was going on. Yeah. And that's just yeah the biggest bullet dodged. Yeah. And it sucks about the friends too. But that is a great point of like I feel like if I found if I saw something like that about my friend I wouldn't be so quick to just be like they're done. I feel like I would also want to hear their side of it or especially if they reached out and were like hey girls night like meet some help whatever I'd be like let's go get the scoop. Let's figure out what actually happened instead of just leaving it on red. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. I think it's important for people to do that. Boy. Boy. Geez. That's really rough. I feel bad for her. Yeah. I mean I feel really bad but I'm glad she is out of that. I feel like she like deep down new because like to go to turn to Reddit with something like this like yeah. That's rough. You know but she's out now. I have a feeling if he's willing to turn to something that extreme she's probably been pretty gaslit in that relationship and so she's like thinking she's crazy all the time. Yeah. And then like you just look like this angry like angry girlfriend when really it's like hey you're being mistreated all the time. Yeah. And then he just goes off and says like yeah she cheated on this ex. He was aware of like this person that he could perfectly stage this whole situation. And if she it sounds like she doesn't have that many friends or like that strong of a support system so she probably wasn't able to ask other people of like is this okay and what I'm being told. Yeah. I mean we know nothing about it but I just just yeah damn. All right. Moving on to our final story. This is not necessarily a story. We have a game to play here. If you're listening I will do my best to describe the images that we're about to see. This comes from Wedding Shaming. Wedding guest wore custom made gown. Oh okay. This is mostly a photo post so we're going to play a game. Guess who the bride is. No. Yes. Oh my God it's like siblings are dating but it's bride or guest. Yes yes yes yes yes. So for listeners. All right. For listeners we have two women here. Can I describe the dresses. Okay Courtney we'll describe these dresses. Can I help can I. Yes yes yes. We know we know you know like the word like scallops and uh oh. Okay okay let's start with let's start with the right. Okay so we have a dress on the left. Okay yes yes and we have a left one. Oh you set on the right. You set on the right. You set on the right. No that's good. Now let's start on the left. Yep. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put on some white. Maybe satin maybe cotton looking gown like a nice but it's it's like a very plain simple material. Maybe cinched at the waist. Like above the yeah. Yeah. Like rhinestones. Looks like some rhinestones. But very small not too shiny. The bodice is fitted. Mm-hmm. Has like some seams at the front. It's like almost like a corset kind of vibe. Maybe like I think I'm seeing like sheer sleeves. Yeah it has like tank top straps but it seems like it's connected to sheer material. Yeah. As a long sleeve and then there's a cuff. A cuff. So it's a long sleeve dress but the sleeve part is sheer and and there's diamonds and the other gown. Yeah we're not done sharing. Yes the other one. The other one. It's like a beige. It's off white. It's off white. Beige tan maybe. Yeah. Off the shoulder a lot of texture. It's kind of like mermaid scale pattern but it's not the tiny. It's like big. They look like giant. Yes. Like beaded sequin. It goes all the way down and there seems to be somewhat of a veil. A train of some type. Yeah. Yes yes sorry a train. It is extravagant. Yes. I will say the off white one looks like something you'd see at the Oscars. And it's not like a bow down. Oh yes I thought you meant the other one. I was like feel the one's maybe not coming. The white one looks like a wedding dress but like a simple casual. It reminds me of what I wore when I eloped with you. Yeah. It's like simple cute. And then the one on the right it's not like a bow down or an A line but it's like a fitted kind of gown straight down. It's giving red carpet. Yes. Very serious. The glam bot would eat it up. Yes. Yes. Okay so we're going to take a wild guess. I mean I think I know who the bride is. I hope the photographer. I hope well it sucks either way it sucks. Either way it's bad. I mean one technically isn't as bad it's unfortunate. The other one is like because at least it's not white but. Oh no. I think that's it's so insane. Either way it's bad. It's bad either way right. I think the least worst option so like the better option is the one in white is the bride. I yeah there's not one that's good. Yeah. Either way you were white and that's such a faux pas. Or you wore the most insane like sight stealing dress you could possibly wear. Truly truly. Like really this this is like oh this is like Met Gala. And it's gorgeous. And it looks like a wedding choice like some some people like to do white something like ivory or beige people. But it's all it's like man if you have a dress like that why are you wearing it to someone else's wedding save that for. Yes. Yeah. My god. Yes. Okay. So this is this is mean either way. I'm I'm the train is crazy if you're not the bride. I guess okay do you know. Yeah. Yeah yeah. The train is crazy if you're not the bride. I'm not okay. The train is the bride. So you're thinking white is the simple white. Now here's what maybe here's what's going on. Maybe this is what happened. Maybe she knew that the bride was wearing off white or beige or tan and was like oh well I'll wear white because they're not. Yeah. Yes yes yes yes. Oh perfect. So I'm not saying it's great. I'm saying that's that's I'm saying that's the best possible scenario because the train has to be the bride. I swear to god I swear to god Shane. If the train ain't the bride. Shane. White is the bride. The train is on the gas. No. I am so sorry. Uh uh uh uh. The girl in white is the bride. This is a guess. Custom gown. Oh. Oh. Girlie. Uh oh. What the hell. What the hell. That is mean. I'm dead in all caps. Left is the bride. Okay. Left is the bride. Text from the original post. She doubled down and made a Facebook post about how women shouldn't tear each other down. Oh my god. Says the queen of mogging. How dare she wear a train. No one hates you more than the women who can't compete with you. They watch your every move. Talk nonstop because if they talked about themselves no one would listen. Let them bark from behind. Real queens don't tear each other down. Only mistresses do. Let's shine babe. Keeps being pretty. Okay. Literally not even eloquent in the slightest that all sounded horrible. It makes you say, yeah it makes her, I mean she is awful. Girl why did you need a custom gown to a wedding that you are not getting married to. First I'm like okay if you had a gown that you were supposed to wear at this other event it happened you need to be customized. You didn't do that thing. How much is a custom dress like that you think? Oh god. Thousands. Thousands. It's gotta be. It's gotta be. At least a thousand stars. No and she knew what she was doing. She knew. No. Because she went on Instagram and was like don't fight me. Well she was able to buy this custom dress from all the money and gifts that she stole from her fake wedding. You're right. Yes she's back from in the wind. Yes. Comments. Someone said that's a gorgeous dress but I thought she was the bride. 10,000 up votes. Someone said I hate the fact that I love that dress. Honestly it would be amazing in any situation other than a wedding. And maybe a funeral. I don't know why she would dim her own shine by wearing it at someone else's wedding. And becoming the bad guy. Instead of waiting for a different, more socially acceptable event to break it out. Well said. Oh what the hell. Some people really go to far lengths just to like make other people feel like shit. Right no it's actually making me think that that is the goal. Some people just like rage baiting. They genuinely want to be talked about like that. And that her Facebook post is projecting big time. Exactly. Exactly. One other comment. I found the post on Facebook and saw some pictures of her with her husband from the same wedding. And her husband was wearing a short sleeve button down shirt with slacks. Uh oh. Like he looked well put together and everything. But definitely a different vibe than the red carpet worthy custom gown this main character wore. Honestly based on the bride's dress his outfit was probably more in line with the wedding dress code. Oh yeah I know his sounds closer to the vibe. She should have taken the train off. At the very least. The train is inappropriate. I can't believe the bride even took a photo with her. I would be like get out. I think she took the photo on purpose. Be like hey guys look at this. No this sounds like the bride was like you know this person bullied me in high school but we seem cool now and maybe I'll bring her and it's like oh no you're the same person. Yeah. That sucks. Oh my god. Jesus. Just a ton of people having to like turn the other cheek at their own wedding. But no matter how much it comes between them. They always stick together. They always stick. It always comes out of the ass. Well man those were some weddings. We will we did we do is wedding. Wedding. Wedding stories. We do. Thank you both for being here. And you know both weddings were so great. Your wedding which was real. Yes that already happened. And that already happened. Yes and I just wanted to say that you love me when I'm hangry. And I do. I do. Oh my god. Oh my god. We're married. Oh my god. Before we go we should let you know that the next few episodes are going to look a little different because Smosh is currently moving. We're moving studios getting a new space and so we're going to be in a temporary space for a while. A little different for the next few weeks. And then we'll be back in a new studio and maybe we're going to revamp it a little bit. Maybe I'll have a new chair. We need to make sure it's contained for dancing. Yes. No dancing allowed. No dancing allowed because dancing is like boring. But anyways we'll see you next week next Saturday. See you later. Bye. Should we go be gone with the wind? Let's go be gone with the wind. Let's go be gone with the wind. Let's go be gone with the wind.