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Hey, buddy. Hey, Suvi, how are you? I'm good, how are you? I'm good. There's a family trip, a foot in our family, but it's not either of us. No, I know. The videos are great. Yeah, dad's sending a lot of content. Dad is sending videos like he's a TikToker, who is making travel content. Yeah, they're currently in Morocco. Yeah. Yeah, Yeri and Herri are in Morocco. And the videos are like, it's always the two of them kind of their heads together. Yeah. And he sings a song, it's a very sort of mumble song about where they are and what they're doing. I do applaud them because he's doing it at a volume that wouldn't disturb anyone else that was walking by. It does seem to be disturbing mom a little. It does. Mom? It's just sad. Mom looks a little bit like a hostage in these videos. I feel like it seems like she got cast in an ultra low budge sag picture and she's sort of a meryl Streep and she's wondering, wait, how did I end up here? How did I end up here? She's not happy with her agent is what you're saying. She's very much like. Well, it happens to be dad. She's like, wait, how should not I have had to agree to this? Yeah. And yeah. So, you know, just shout out to mom who's who's gutting it out. I don't know how much of a choice she's getting, but yeah, I'm very excited. I almost feel like we should just have them on the pot to talk to them about. I mean, they're on such a such an adventure right now. I mean, they're going to be there. They're going to Gibraltar. They're going somewhere else in Morocco. And then I feel like they're going to Spain, Portugal. They're doing it up. They're doing it up. They're living their life. They're living their life. And God bless them. Very happy for them. I'm by the time you listen to this, I will have done a stand up in Denver and Albuquerque. Gonna drive from Denver to Albuquerque. I think I've told you that it's like a six hour drive. Google maps it real quick. And it's like three, it's like, Hey, it's either left, middle, right. Okay. Yeah. Like three. And so I say to my in-laws, they assume, you know, they're from Albuquerque. They've maybe done that drive. I go, Hey, which one of these is the prettiest? And Tom says, well, I think there's just one way to go. I'm like, no, there's three. He's like, I've only heard about the one. I'm like, never mind. Like immediately I'm like, I don't want to talk to him. I don't want to talk about it anymore. And then he's like, oh, I can ask around. I'm like, don't ask around. Like I'm just like, I thought you knew and now it's it. And so then also he, he puts his daughter, he puts a lexie on this text chain. He literally sends, he goes, I asked around and he sent me like directions. Like literally at some point it's like, turn right. I'm like, I'm not going to read. When you see, and it's like, also, I think he wrote it for like, it's like a three day vacation. It's like, then you can stop here. There's a really beautiful. It's just, which was the prettiest drive? And never mind. Yeah. With that said, I think I'm going to ask him to go to Santa Fe and put our name into the restaurant like an hour before we get there. So I don't want to be too hard on him. Oh, that's right. They're back there. Yeah, they're there. So they'll come to the show. You're going to see all of them. I really stepped on a rake and booked this stand at a bad time. Right before Mother's Day. Yeah, but I think we're going to survive. We're going to survive it. Speaking of mothers, we made an error on a previous episode. We were just talking, I just, I think it was me and just out of hand, I said, Marblehead, New Hampshire. Oh. And you didn't correct me. I think that's how it went. And we were just, yeah. So of course Marblehead is Massachusetts. Have you been seeing the Marblehead content that's been out in the world this week? No. Genuine. It's really great. There's, I guess it's about affordable housing in Marblehead and a law was passed that they have to build it. And there's been, it's like kind of tearing the town apart a little bit, but it went viral because there's just like a fucking fantastic Boston guy at the town meeting who's like, I guess my question here is, are we just kind of being pricks? And it's really, he's just really great because he's very, he's very sweet, but then he also has that, you know, very authentic New England thing. Yeah. I highly recommend watching it. Yeah. It's also good policy to consider sometimes your stance on public issues. Yeah. You know, just maybe ask yourself that. Like, are we, are we just, are we being pricks? Are we being pricks? Well, he then did an interview where, and again, I would, you know, you and I were lucky enough to go to that incredibly beautiful city. And this point is like, we're the luckiest people in the world that we get to live here. So let's not be pricks about it. Yeah. It's kind of like that. It's a very densely, it's like one of the most densely populated towns. Yeah. I think that's one of the issues with housing, but I don't want to speak as an expert on the issue because I've really just watched the pricks clip. Yeah. I also, yeah, I'm just going to say that I know it's in Massachusetts and it was our feeling. Yeah. And when mom hears that episode, she's going to, she's, it's going to bump for her. Yeah. Probably not as much as it'll bum her out that she has to do like 12 more song videos. With that. The songs are like, their dad's describing where they are and he's kind of mumble singing and then mom kind of like joins him. Like she's trying to say the same words he's saying, but she doesn't know what he's about to say. Yeah. It's that thing of like when you're talking and someone just starts doing the same words to annoy you. Yeah. But he'll be like, we're in Morocco and we're at a market and they have rugs and they have no textiles. And he's just, yeah. Yeah. And she's supposed to be going like, textiles. And it's hard. She's got to sing along with them. And also, you know, it's hard to focus when you've got like the butt end of a snub nose, you know, pistol in your back. Do the video. Do the video for the boys. We'll have to play. We'll cut together a highlight of all their hit songs. Yeah. We might have to get approval from mom's, from mom. Her agent. Her agent's going to sign off on it. Her agent's already did her dirty by booking around this gig. Yeah. So I'm trying to think of what else is going on. I might have some interesting travel coming up that I'm excited to share. Yeah. I definitely. I do too. Yeah. That's great. So that's good. That's good for us. That's good for, you know, staying very much on theme with the pod. You know what? It's interesting when we have this podcast. I was in a pre-interview for something and they were like, if you had to go on a family trip with these eight people, what, I'm like, oh right. Now that I have a family trip podcast, I have to be like, I can't be like, what? I don't know. I don't know. Don't ask me that question. Who do you think I am? Oh, the host of family trips. Right, right, right, right, right. Awesome. Well, this is a very fun episode. Anna Conkel. She's the best. Enjoy it. And you know her. You know her from Pen 15? Yeah. And she's got a great first-unit scene. But yeah. Highly recommend. Thanks for listening, everybody. Love you, Pashi. Love you too, Suvi. Family trips with the nicest brothers. Family trips with the nicest brothers. Here we go. Yeah. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. How are you, Anna? I'm fine. How are you? I'm good. It's been a while. It's so lovely to see you. You too. You, I was just thinking back on your Maya and I's first late night experience. I was so scared. And you were so nice. I'm so happy. He is so nice. We do get a lot of firsts. I can confirm. Being one of the, being the late show, you get a lot of first-time talk show guests. And I take their responsibility very seriously. Well, we thank you. Made a big difference. I did not realize that you and Maya, is it true that you met in Amsterdam? We did. We did meet in Amsterdam. It was like an experimental theater workshop for two months. And it was great. I did mushrooms for the first time. That's also a thing we did for the first time. Also in Amsterdam. How do you, how do you pitch to your parents that you're going to go for a tour? You're going to go for a two month experimental theater workshop and sell that through. Had they already written you off? That's a fantastic question. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the issue really began wanting to go to NYU for theater and it was super expensive. Loans, we all got a ton of loans. And then I, many of us at Tisch figured out how to graduate a semester early. So that helped. But the real clincher, to be honest, was I got one line in a subway commercial. That was a national commercial. Wow. Thank you very much. Do you remember your line? Sure. Wait, was that your line? Yeah, I just did it. Yeah. No, I got it. I got it. I mean, I was thinking like, yeah, that's a, that's foot long. Yeah. It was the kind of flow of the commercial was like a little boy. I'm sure you wanted to know this being like, can I have, can I go to the park? Can I go bungee jumping? And the dad's like, no, no, can I get honey mustard and pickles? Sure. I was the subway artist, the sandwich artist, as they say. And I made a fair amount of money. And so that's how I got to go to the Amsterdam program, to be honest. So wait, how old were you when you got that subway? I was, I think I was 19. But I had been auditioning in Boston because we moved, we, I'm from Vermont originally and we moved to Massachusetts. But yeah, I'd been auditioning in Boston for commercials since I was like 10 and never got one. So the subway commercial was finally, I'd earned it at that point. It's really impressive that you kind of stuck with wanting to be in the performing arts. Like I always want, you know, we don't talk about like the 10 year old two like are just met with disappointment for years and years. And like don't take it as a sign that it's not to be. Yeah, there aren't a lot of us left. I don't think you had to be like a certain brand of delusional. No, it's so funny. You guys performed, right? Yeah, but we never like auditioned for, for stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'll say I've booked one commercial in my life and I, you know, I go out from them all the time and you keep, they keep you coming back. They keep you coming back to 200 South Lebray, a man, oh man. Yeah. Oh, God, that waiting room. Yeah. That, I will say like there's an interesting thing of like being in a commercial, because again, I auditioned for commercials. I'm not saying I didn't when I was in Chicago, like in my improv days, but like being in a commercial waiting room, you look around and you're like, oh, it could really, this is just could be any of us. Yeah. Yeah. Like when you go to an audition for like a role in a TV show or a play, you're like, one of us will be better than the others, but this is just like, this just might be about our face. Yeah. There's also more opportunity for scamming. Like my dad was living in Florida and he was probably in his sixties at this point and he called me one day, he had like a really deep voice and always wanted to be on the radio and wasn't and was like, I got scouted today. This person said that I would be, you know, amazing in Walmart commercials and it costs $8,000. And I just remember being so upset. Yeah. It is also that you are in the awful position of having to tell your dad, you actually would not be good in a Walmart commercial. There's two things. One, they would not tell you in whatever parking lot this person found you. Also to be typecast just in Walmart commercials. Yeah, that's what you'd be good for. Like passive aggressive or something. I was like, did you do something to that person? So what year did you go to, at what year in college did you do your Amsterdam trip? It was my junior year of college and I had started in freshman year. I'd been in the musical theater program and very straight laced and the rumor about the experimental theater kids was that they were all like naked and having orgies all the time. And I was like, I will not waste my parents money doing that. And eventually I realized that was the place for me and they weren't having orgies as far as I knew that I wasn't invited. We're actually good on numbers. Yeah, like we feel like the orgies is at like capacity. I like the idea that it's orgies also like multiple plural or something. That's the official term. That's more than one orgie. Yeah, orgies. That wasn't a part of any of the orgies, but there's still time. So you're Vermont. We're a New Hampshire boy, so we obviously got a lot of love from Vermont. Where's Randolph, Vermont? Randolph is not too far from Montpelier. That's where I was born, but I lived in Montpelier before. Gotcha. We moved to Massachusetts. Did you spend much time in Vermont? Did you guys ever do? No, we had that. We would ski, but like I went a lot. That's true. Yeah. And my wife went to UVM, so I went to Burlington just once with her, but it was like a fourth of July, maybe about 10 years ago now. And it was great. I couldn't believe I'd never been there. It's so beautiful. It's so amazing. And like our grandmother lived in Marblehead, closer to where you would end up. And so we just sort of went there. Like we were always going to the Massachusetts coast. To Massachusetts. That's interesting. Do you think that like it was sort of New Hampshire versus Vermont? I felt like that sometimes. I think you had to kind of choose. I certainly like don't know if you had to choose, but I was made to feel as though we were the dirt baggy of the two options. Well, that's not what I was going to say. I wanted to say. I didn't think that that was where you were heading, but I do want to say that that was the way other people, from Vermont, not you. Right. Not me. I would never. I mean, I remember a bear rescue. Like we would go to Concord, Vermont, and there was a bear rescue nearby in, I mean, sorry, Concord, New Hampshire. Okay. When you said you were going to a bear rescue, I thought that's what everybody does when they have to like rescue a bear. Like I don't know why I thought, but like I was like, we all, it was like they, the sheriff rounded up a posse. There was a bear who was losing its grip on the side of a branch. Yeah. Do you guys ever go to the bear rescue? No. It's not like a big thing. I mean, we went to Clark's trained bears, but I don't think that was a bear rescue. That was a bear's being exploited for entertainment purposes. That was like a bear riding a bicycle and drinking a beer, that kind of stuff. Really? Is that where you were going? I don't think so. I just remember outdoor cages, part, like, you know, and like feeding them little bear pellets. I don't, I don't recall. I would have been into that, I think. Okay, good. I think that the Clark's trained bear's people probably went to the bear rescue and that's where they got the bears that they were going to later exploit and have little bikes. They were like, do you have any that ride bikes? Yeah. Wait, were they really riding bikes? Yeah. Oh, and they were like, chained, like on a chain call, like a changed leash kind of thing. Oh, they were within a caged area. They weren't the biggest bears. Oh, good. Do you remember them being chained, Posh? I don't know. I think they probably were. Yeah, I don't know. I don't remember any humans, so maybe it was a fully run bear operation. Yeah. You mean everything, like did a bear take tickets? Do you remember that? I don't recall. I don't remember any people. All I remember is the bears. I just remember, I just remember putting my money on the table and a paw sliding back with two tickets. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Support comes from article. Hey, Bashi. Hey, Sufi. You know what makes a home feel like a home? What's that? Furniture. Oh, yeah. Gotta have it. Yeah, it's just empty rooms and a bunch of stuff stacked up on the floor. The great thing about article is they provide curated collections for every style. 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Another shout out to UVM to South Shore, like Irish Catholic, Waspie, as you know, as visiting Massachusetts a lot. Yeah. And how old were you when you made the move to Situate? I was seven and yeah, almost eight. But all our family, friends sort of remained. That was like our social circle still in Vermont. So we went, our main vacations actually were going camping every summer for a week with like 10 other families in Vermont or going to my grandparents' retirement community in Fort Lauderdale. All right. So which, as a kid, which did you look forward to more? Camping. Yeah. Which sounds mean to my grandparents. No, I think it makes you a more interesting kid, no shade to your grandparents or any grandparents board it. But I think a kid who prefers camping over, because I think there's some kids who are like, oh my God, they got a soda machine, they were shuffleboard, but like camping is what you want your kids to want to do. Yeah. And my grandparents were the type, maybe being East Coasters, it was the same where like kids are meant to be seen and not heard. Yes. The same, no. I feel like our grandparents were like that a little bit, but our parents weren't. No, parents, no. But my grandparents and camping was amazing because it was on a lake and there was, it wasn't full blown camping. It was like, there was a snack bar by the lake and still showers. Yeah. I did get my, I got, and it was in slushy form. Oh, there you go. A Coke slushy by the lake. There's nothing. And would you go to the same place every year with the same 10 families? Yeah. That's amazing. And they've been doing it for 40 years. And now it's kind of set up as like a little commune where there's a huge kind of event tent in the middle. That's a kitchen and has like 10 picnic tables. I mean, it's kind of crazy. How do 10 families stay friends for 40 years? It's unheard of. It is. I mean, really mostly seeing each other during that week in the summer. So not seeing each other. I think that's- Like you're right. No time for feuds to percolate if you don't see each other the other 51 weeks of the year. Although I will say in the zoom out of growing up and because as a kid, you're just like, oh, everyone's the same. There's no issues. I mean, everyone's still quite close, but like I have since learned that the adult, certain adults started businesses together. Oh, right. And that started and ended. And so there, it is actually quite impressive. But from my standpoint, yeah, we weren't around enough to get in feuds. I wonder if you're like one of the 10 families and you hear that like two or three of the other families are going into business together. You must be like, dudes, we got a good thing going here. Just go start your businesses with somebody. We don't spend our one week together. Right. That we don't need this time with, I mean, there are a lot of, yeah, a lot of hippies, a lot of crystals and energy work and people who shouldn't be doing chiropractic work because they're not certified doing that on the grass to each other. So, did you sort of look a scant at that sort of stuff as a kid, like the crystal hippie thing or were you kind of bought in? It, at the time, it embarrassed me certainly and moving to Massachusetts, you know, where I started to realize how weird it was and that it freaked my friends out when they came over that my mom would be like, oh, you hurt your ankle. Come here. And then, you know, kind of float her hands over my friend's ankle and then they would leave their Catholic. They're like, this is wrong. Yeah. So, could you hear them telling their friends about it in a Boston accent? Like the fact that your mom put a fucking rock on my ankle. Really? They just stopped talking to you. So, you actually don't hear the accent. But I didn't really start like fun long vacations until or out, you know, out of that little pocket until after college, after Amsterdam, young adult world. Then I started like more travel. Did you, how did those 10 families select themselves? Were they just sort of like friends in Vermont? Yeah, they, as far as I understand it, it started with three families, one of them being my parents and it just sort of organically grew to around 10 and sometimes it's 11 or nine or whatever, but it's been quite consistent and people just block out the same week every year in their calendar. And you still do it? Yeah. Amazing. And how many people, how many kids were there that would like your age that you've grown up with now? They're probably eight. Wow. So, we have kids and they all are, you know, getting to have this and it's very, it's not changed much, which is pretty amazing to have in the world. I'm just bracing myself for one year for it to be completely different, but it's pretty, it's pretty special and my, our daughter's getting this really neat experience because we live in LA and so, you know, the first time we went, I think she was one and she just, we weren't like, don't cross the street, don't go that, don't, you know, we were just, she's just running in the grass and it kind of broke my heart how novel that was to her. So, how, is she old enough now to look forward to it? She is, yeah. She loves it, although we almost ruined the experience because one year, one of the first years we went, there was a big thunderstorm, which there always is and I was sort of on my high horse about it because my partner who's from Malibu was very nervous about the thunderstorms and I was like, this is just how camping is, like, it's fine, you just stay in your tent or your RV or whatever and you're all good. Well, the, the like pavilion event tent that all the families had invested in, it, it, it was the, the thunder and the lightning and the rain started and then it started to hail and then there was a mini tornado and it lifted the tent up, like the huge event tent and it was like war. I mean people, my mom was singing to make our daughter not sad and crying, rain, rain, go away, like in her face and she, our daughter had PTSD truly for, she'd hear a fan, she'd hear, oh my God, some, it ruined the rest of our East Coast vacation and for actually a year or so after that loud sounds like the toilet flushing, like we're not, we're not a go. She was back and she's like, I'm back in the pavilion. Yeah, I was like, we're Nana screamed in my face. Non-professionals trying to keep a tarp from blowing away is, is pure like Benny Hill comedy. Also like a movie about a natural disaster sort of storm coming through an older woman singing rain, rain, go away. It feels like it's in the trailer. Yeah, very much. So true. So true. Were you all sleeping in tents or are there cabins on this property? They are, there, there are a lot of tents. I have, I'm one of the sheepish ones that uses an RV now, which I said I would never do when I was younger, but to fly across the country and then to set up our tent hasn't, we tried that, it didn't work. So it's embarrassing. We get like an RV delivered to the site and I'm sure all of the promoters are like, we totally support you and are so judging, but they're, they haven't said anything. Did you send them an email in advance to be like, just in case you were worried, I have changed? Yeah, basically. Hollywood has changed me. Basically, basically. Cause we also like the first one I ordered was too long. So that was embarrassing. They're like, it's 32 feet. Like I think you can only fit 22 feet. I'm like, absolutely. We don't need the second living room. That's great. Is it a Starwagon? We're not going to have people over. We're not going to have the 10 people over. We don't need the second living room. Yeah. I did. I bought, we bought actually our own Starwagon and just been traveling with that. We leave it on the East coast and it's also not even like they're like, we will be sleeping in RV. They're like, oh my God, you guys brought, you bought an RV. It's like, no, we have it delivered. We have it delivered. The RV people will deliver it. Feel free to talk to them. Obviously, don't talk to us, but feel free to, you know, communicate with our RV team. It is embarrassing. Are there like game days or they're organized events at these summer, at this week long getaway? To our credit, there are not organized events. It's very much like, and maybe the other reason it works is because people kind of do their own thing during the day. It's like, who wants to hike? Who wants to bike? I'm going to go to the lake. Don't talk to me. I'm going to meditate. Right. It's pretty, it's pretty boundary. But then everyone comes together for dinners and each family takes, is this interesting? I don't even know. Yes, yes. Okay. Yeah. This is Josh's dream come true. I doubt it. Like no granular trip details is everything Josh wants. Okay, that's how I am. It's all the devils in the details, Sufi. Yeah, I'm with you. Okay. Well, and then each family takes a night on the, now it's a Google Doc before it was probably memory of who cooks that night and they cook for everybody. Wow. Yeah. And so what, I mean, what is your full number if it's 10 family? Are you cooking for 30, 40 people? Yeah. What is something you've cooked? And there are allergies. Ooh. One year we did, as an adult, we did pasta and meatballs with garlic bread that, it was hard. Yeah. I wouldn't recommend it. Did it from scratch, not a great idea. Right. I mean, a really good one are taco bowls. Okay. And just doing the individual ingredients. And then like, right, like people do the, the construction themselves. Built it. Yeah. You know. I mean, you were a sandwich artist, you know how it goes. It's nice to be able to start, move down. Sprinkle the lettuce. Here, I'm going to say, I'm going to ask you a question and then give your answer from the Subway ad. So I'm sorry, are we just supposed to put these together ourselves? Sure. Yeah. Sold. It's a great night. I'll be fired because you're definitely not allowed over the counter, but sure. And how is, how does Malibu, Alex look forward to the trip now? Is he like, does, has he bought in? He is, he's fully bought in. Oh, that's great. And he's like very, his hippie comes out. Like he's suddenly a communal, liver. Yeah. And he's, he's, he's in, he's a part of the little, the little mini cult we got going on. I've had to, in what seems like a similar way to Alex, like I've had to like buy into my wife's past a lot more than she's had to buy into mine. Which is just like, you know, she, she grew up going to Martha's Vineyard and she has this like group of friends that she's now like, they're like 40 years deep. And so I'm spending a lot of time talking to husbands who also have not had four decades of the majesty of memory. That's hard. Yeah. It's okay. And fun. I'm fun, I'm sure, but that's different to have to like make up for 40 years. We're kind of, we kind of all connect over how funny it is that they think they're living, they live the most interesting childhood. Yeah. Cause it's a lot of talk in the past. Oh my God. It's all, it's all remember, remember this peer. But Seth didn't, Seth doesn't rent an RV. He just, he just built a house next door to his mother-in-law, father-in-law's house. Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah. It is beautiful. It is very beautiful. You know what wasn't beautiful? The gun to my head. To build it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've been, I've been advocating over here too to do a little cabin in Vermont. One day. One day. One day. So I know this from, you know, obviously pen 15, an incredible show that was very autobiographical. And now you have a memoir where you talk about your family. And I want to get to your parents, but your parents got divorced when you were a teenager. So a logistically who got the week on the camping trip? Like I'm, I'm assuming both of your parents didn't come. That's a great question. Yeah. My dad bowed out. Yeah. And other, there was like, I think one other family who got a divorce and they split the week. Interesting. And I was pretty, it was sort of a turning point in my life. And I think brought on some angsty emo things when he was like, no, I'm not going. Gotcha. And there was this idea in his head that they had taken my mother's side. Yes. I wouldn't, well, I couldn't see that, that seed planting. Especially if you knew my, my dad. Yeah. There's a lot of, a lot of like, yeah, very, everything was very black and white, but he, and you know, the saddest part was that like, it was more, camping to me was more him than my mom, where he taught me to fish. He had the canoe. He made the pancakes in the morning. Like, and then yeah. And for a while camping became sad because my mom would be like, I guess I'm alone here. And everyone else has a family as a husband. You know, we're fucking setting up the tents ourselves and it kind of blew for a bit. That is a, yeah. So in a perfect world, you would have, you would have liked them to split the week as well. That would have been nice. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, we did split and I have a funny vacation memory was our house. We split the house for two years while they waited for the judge to make a decision of who was going to get the house. Oh my God. So what was the, was there like a condo? Did they also like split another location? Well, for the, I mean at work, like for the two years. Oh, so they stayed in the house. Sorry, sorry. Yes. They didn't split time. They didn't split time. They split the house. Wow. They split the house. Yeah. And I have this memory. So like we always, you know, went to Vermont or went to Florida for our vacations. Suddenly my dad and mom decided to divorce really my mom. And my dad is like, honey, we're going on a carnival cruise to the Bahamas. Just me and him. Okay. And so, and I was thrilled, but I felt really guilty like saying good, the act of like packing and saying goodbye to your mom who's staying in snowy Massachusetts while you do work with the Bahamas was a real moment. Yeah. Yeah. How was that carnival cruise? I mean, it was amazing. My dad didn't make me wear sunscreen. Yeah. That's amazing. I thought I was getting a tan for the first time. Did you actually get tan? Or do you tan up well? Well, turns out no. Yeah. I got, yeah, I wore oil, three SPF. You and Josh have a very similar palette. And I know from vacations with Josh. I have to say, I noticed coming like, Seth, you're so tan. Yeah, I tan, I tan up. I tan right up. Wow. That's such a nice thing to have. Josh and I for all our, all our similarities have incredibly divergent skin pigments once they run in contact with the sun. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I got another, I got another Moe's surgery coming for this little thing. Oh my God. Wait, a what surgery? Moe's, it's skin cancer stuff. It's rad. Oh no. I'm sorry. So it'll be like my third. And then look at the old olive boy down there. It's just like, yeah. He walked, just walking around, not caring the work and yeah. But your next, your next one's free. Which one is free? The fifth or the fourth? Your 10th. Your 10th. You got to get to 10. Are you serious? No. No, we're just kidding. Oh my God. I'm so earnest. Did you, he is, he is getting a surgery. That part was real. It's just not free. But the 10th one is free. Yeah, not free. You do have to pay for this. This is not free. Oh my God. Maybe, maybe it will be. I don't know. I hope to never get there. Right. You mentioned you were excited for a Carnival Cruise. Do you think you were excited just based on like Carnival Cruise marketing and seeing commercials for Carnival Cruises? Like when I think back, that was a, that was a commercial you saw all the time growing up. It was like cruise commercials. I mean, yeah. And, and part of it was truly like the opportunity to be hot, like to get a tan in my mind was like to come back and be hot and cool. Like the girls that went to the Bahamas. Yeah, right. And, but yeah, I got a horrible, horrible sunburn. Like my eyes puffed out, puffed out where they go under. And I was sick for like two days. I think that is a very, I mean, New England or anywhere, you know, I'm sure like the Upper Midwest is the same way where you would go on vacations and you in your head thought there was going to be this, you know, this reveal when you walked back in. And everyone was going to sort of take stock of how your appearance had changed based on your one week. And it felt as though you could completely recreate yourself and sort of change whatever the sort of conventional wisdom was about you based on one week. You'd be like, I'm coming back with a new hard rock t-shirt. I'm coming back with a solitary, Pukashells and a solitary corn row. We're going to turn this thing around. That was poetry to me. Yes. Did you, was your like dad, you know, on a cruise, was he a good hang with just father-daughter? Yeah, because he was okay if like I sat on the other side of the beach. You know, he understood that I was trying to forge, you know, teenager dumb on the cruise and he was, there were casinos, so he was good. Right. I was like, you know, there's a teen club that was fine for me to go to. It was real, like freedom, you know? Yeah. And how old were you for that? To go to the, the, the. I was 14. Wow. A teen club at 14. That just seems like. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. But you're there on your own. So you, this is dependent upon you to like meet people and make friends. Well, that's the thing as an only child. You have a half brother, but 11 years older, same mom. And so really grew up as an only child and you just learned to be, you know, really embarrassing. And sometimes, and you have to be willing to be humiliated over and over if you're going to make friends and knowing, oh, I'm guessing I'm doing thumbs up. You thumbed that. I'm so sorry. By the way, a perfect, while you were saying like being an only child, you have to be embarrassing, you accidentally just thumbs up yourself. Looking classic. This is just par for the course. That's literally like you met, like you met somebody at a teen club and you said something funny and then you said good one. Wait, did you just say good one to yourself? And you're like, I'm an only child, man. Yeah. That's how you find your person, your people. Right. Because most of them are like, okay. And then every once in a while someone laughs with you and you're like, all right. Were you, were, were you in Maya? Had you known each other at NYU before you like were in Amsterdam? No. Okay. We, we didn't, we, I just remember there were like 25 of us, a few of us ended up kind of working in comedy as adults unexpectedly, even though it was a very kind of serious program. Yeah. But yeah, I saw her do all these really great characters and was, and so talented. And I had more of a talent crush and was like, oh, she's so cool and good. And oh, whatever. And then yeah, we slowly became friends more so after Amsterdam, we both were going through kind of breakups at the same time. So there were a lot of like sleepovers and ice cream, stuff like that. I mean, it's an incredible, your collaboration. It's, it's very nice of whatever, I don't know, events had to line up to put you guys together. It was really cool. Oh, thank you. Yeah. She's, she's awesome. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. Support comes from Quince. What's up, Pashi? Hey, Sufi. You know, it's a, it's a nice time. I feel like when the seasons change, it's time to update the old wardrobe. Yeah. You know, agreed. Time to think about things getting warmer. I'd like to, I'd like to wear some fabrics that feel easy, comfortable, but also a little put together. And that's where Quince has been my go-to. Elevated fabrics, fits are clean. 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I think that's kind of, There's a lot of like, there's a lot of great strange theater in Amsterdam. Would you go check that out? Would you? Yes, actually we did, we saw an experimental, I don't know the name of the company, but theater company and I remember a bear, like bringing it back to the bears. There was a dancing bear. Okay. Was it dog and some naked people? Was it dog troop? I don't know. I'm going to have to, yeah, perhaps. So, so how did you see theater in Amsterdam? Yeah, I was, we used to work for a theater called Boom Chicago over in Amsterdam. So we lived there. I was there for three and a half years and Seth was there for like two. And I just did that. I just did the funniest thing where I was like, I wonder if when you were in college we were, and then I remembered, I just glanced at your birthday and I'm like, nope. Not even close. Need to work on my skincare. Not even close. It's fine. I don't even know why I thought that based on my age that you would be there. No, fair, fair, fair. And this clown school was for eight year olds? Good. The clown school's coming forward. Did you guys go to Vondel Park? Yeah, very much so. Love that park. That's where I did mushrooms. Where was it? Were your dorms near there? Princeton Grodk near the Anne Frank Museum. I mean, that's not a bad location at all. You're central. No, it was incredible. It was, it was, it was amazing. It was really the bikes and the, I would love to live there again. We went back for a friend's 25th wedding anniversary last summer and it was just so wonderful to be back. It's like that. That's brought his oldest son, my parents came, my wife came, her mother came. There were like a lot of people who used to work there, brought their kids. It was great. Yeah. Very, very cool and special. What did your son think of it? He loved it. He really loved it. And it's, but again, you'll find this thing where it's like they don't, you don't realize how much they loved it until they get home and you overhear them talking to somebody else about it. It's like they can't process how much you need them, which is healthy. Like they don't realize how much you need them to be like, dad, this meant the world to me, dad. I'm changed, dad. And I know you hear some shit from the outside world, but you're good at this. You're a good dad. Yeah. Oh, tune out the noise, old man. You're good at this. It's crazy how much my daughter has traveled compared to what, you know, when it, when I left the kind and leave the country till yeah, 20 or something. And I, my dad really barely, he went to the Bahamas, but he always wanted to go to Europe. I still feel guilty that he never did that and I went, but anyway, that's a different. Well, I mean, I do want to talk about, I mean, I read the, you know, I mean, I read the excerpt in New York magazine of your, your memoir, The Sane One. It's, it's beautifully written and it's very funny, but you know, you, you wrote this memoir about, you know, coming of age and your parents divorce and you had an estrangement with your dad that near the end of his life. You, you, is it rekindle to say if enough word, I haven't read the whole book. So, okay. Yeah, we got, yeah, and I got to be his caregiver for, it was supposed to be one to five years. I ended up being two months. But yeah, it was, he was like a very, very funny, outrageous person, hippie to his core, but who turned human resource manager for 7-Eleven with, and the bitterness just grew over time. And yeah, he just, you know, he was really my like best friend as a kid and, and looked up to him as many of us do our dads more than anyone. Right. And then kind of a slow burn to, to estrangement in my mid 20s, soon after Amsterdam actually. And, and really like, you know, there's the normal sort of parent falling off a pedestal that was there, but it was also turned up. And, and yeah, we happened to, to exchange letters at the end of the five years and, and kind of mend things. But that was a lucky surprise and that it was very soon after that he got diagnosed with cancer. Yeah. So it's a real upper. It actually is funny. I swear it is. But it's sad too. I, even in the chapter I read where, you know, obviously, especially for the child in this situation, right, it's a complicated relationship, but you're very, I don't know, you're very honest about how funny they are. And I think that's like a nice thing to, you know, remind ourselves or, or not forget that like, even in like times that I can't even imagine how hard it was for you, but it does seem like there was an ability to laugh. And your dad was very capable of making you do that. Yeah. Thank you. I think that's true. And, and both my parents are such characters and they always were. Sometimes when I wish they weren't, I was like, can you guys be quiet and can we just fit in better in Massachusetts? Like you moved us here. They're like, you know what? I think it's so funny to go from like hippie Vermont where everything's okay. They're like, you know what? Let's turn up the level of difficulty. Let's go to the most judgmental place in America. Exactly. That we can't really afford. Now we'll live paycheck to paycheck. Yeah. Yeah. There was this idea of, of nuclear America that I think, you know, white picket fence that was in the back of their head specifically my mom, I think that, you know, you do it for your kids. Yeah. So they get a good education and whatever, but in them, in the, um, trek of that, there was the sort of losing themselves, I think, but there's a lot of humor in it. So sign me up. How was it? Um, was it hard to write or did it come? Was it, uh, was it a story that was like so much a part of your life that it came out easily? There are parts that, that kind of flowed, but it took me four years. Yeah. Um, the, when I first kind of wrote the outline and some chapters and, you know, pitched it, I was six months pregnant. Um, and then after having our daughter, I had the feeling of never mind. I have a new family. Yeah. Let's start this. Let's not look back. Yeah. Why did, why did I? Great. The contract just closed. Perfect. Um, yeah, but it ended up being what my therapist said it would be. She was like, it's going to be cathartic. And I was like, no, it's not going to be cathartic. This is torture. Why am I doing this? But it ended up being a really neat journey. There were a lot of kind of, there were parts that were obvious and then there were the, there was the sussing out of, well, how did I get from A to B? How did we get from a strange to talking again? That kind of, um, yeah, it, it, it made obvious emotional positive thing, emotionally positive things that weren't before. And it was, it was nice. Actually. That's like a lot of people, um, myself included who were so fat, so far past deadlines of when a book is due that like, you're like, when I started, I was six months pregnant. And when I finished my daughter, uh, was the copy editor. Basically. Yeah. They, uh, they proofread it for me. And that's, that was the timeline of it. I remember people saying it, you know, my editor specifically was like, it could take you, you know, five years. And I was like, no. Yeah. So naive. Yeah. Took me really, really. And now Seth is thinking about telling his people that he's pregnant and that's why it's taking him so long. Well, no one can tell you you're not. I don't mean to like diminish it at all, but I'm actually thinking like, what if dad and I got estranged right now? Oh, no, diminish, please. And then I call my editor, I'm like, something just happened that I feel like we should wait it out. I feel like this is going to be good for the book. Yeah. Oh my God. That's really funny. Are you writing a memoir? I am. And it's so, uh, it's so archaic. It's so archaic. It's a huffle. It's so archaic. I mean, you know. Yeah. It sucks. Are you enjoying any of it? You know, it is that the catharsis comes like when you're done. I've always said like the thing about the only thing that's good about writing is being done with it, you know, and then, and then feeling like so much of a sense of accomplishment. So like when a good section is done, I'm like, that was worth all of it. Let's try to remember that as we go through this next section and then you're just like, that's fucking sucks. Can I ask you edit as you go? Or do you like just get it something out in a full sweep and then go back full sweep it and then I, I, so I, and then I got like my first pass. I kind of had this sense of like, if I got a first draft and like, like my excellent editor would then send me notes and like, I would feel reinvigorated and, um, not yet. I'm going to write a response to his, I'm just waiting for his to come out. Yeah. Josh, no, Josh is going to happen. Yeah. My mom said that too. She was like, Alex and I guess we'll write a response memoir. Alex is my partner. Did your, how was your mom with knowing you were going to write a book like this? Well, she was incredibly supportive, but we'll always, we'll keep saying, I'm going to move out of the universe. That's fine. I'm just going to move out of the universe. She was sort of my, my childhood enemy, I would say. Now we're good. Yeah. But it, it, it is big of her to be supportive because it's hard and she's like, but it's your art. It's your art. So that is the funniest mom thing. It's your art. I'll just move out of the universe. Yeah. It's your art. Yeah. Exactly. Totally. If you're looking for me, I'll be one universe over. Yeah. Writing my memoir. In fact, I called her the other day we were chatting and said, what did you do today? And she was like writing. Great. I said poetry cause she has always written poetry and you're like, oh good, you're getting back to the poems. They're really good. And she was like, no, true events. Okay. Here we go. True events is even funnier. These, you should try this, Anna. I'm doing true things. I know you, I knew you were less interested in that with your work, but I'm going to do true stuff. You, you're locked into her. I'm not kidding that. That felt and sounded like her. Congratulations on the same one. Thank you. And again, I look forward to reading the whole thing, but if anybody wants to get a taste, there's an exceptional excerpt in the New York, sorry, New York magazine. I'll make sure I get that right. And before we let go, Anna, Josh is going to hit you with our speed round questions. Oh, okay. All right. Here we go. You can only pick one of these. What is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous or educational? Adventurous. All right. What is your favorite means of transportation? A train. If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with? The Bundy's. Oh my God, from married with children? Yeah. Not Ted. Not Ted. To just wash? Uncle Ted. I think Ted was their uncle. The Bundy's is such a fun answer. I just like flying the wall, another dysfunctional memoir. If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be? Oh, my cousin, Jesse. Great. Wait, how, Jesse, where does Jesse live now? She lives near Evanston, Illinois. Oh, that's where we were born. Yeah. I know. That's great. I loved it. I loved it. That's fantastic. Give our best to Jesse. I will. My dad's from Glen Ellen. Oh, great. Illinois, yeah. Illinois. What is your dream destination for a family vacation? India. Nice. Okay. Would you consider your hometown, Situate? No. Okay. What's your hometown? Montpelier, Vermont. Great. Okay. If you had to get more families to go visit Montpelier, what would you tell them about the city? Okay. The cross-country skiing is great. The bookstores, the food, the crepes. Yeah, just to talk to people because they talk back. They're nice for the most part. Crapes is a... I would love to... I mean, I'm going to pass on cross-country skiing, but if you're like, what are we going to do this afternoon? And somebody said, we're going to do bookstores and crepes. I'd be like, oh my God. Well, and my dad, when he went cross-country skiing, he would bring a little thing of scotch and put it in snow and fresh snow and make little... So that, if you added that, would that be fun? That's great. That helps a lot. Okay. That helps a lot. Okay, great. And then, sometimes as a parent, how things that you hope are going to take more of the day up don't take any time at all. Sometimes I'll say to my kids, let's go to the bookstore and then it's literally like five minutes later, you're like, we got to get out of the bookstore. Every day. You can't believe it. Josh, I've talked about this, but I took my son to the aquarium and I was like, in my youth, I remember the aquarium being a whole day. Yeah. Boston. Yeah. The Boston and New England Aquarium. It's a great aquarium. But at 45 minutes, you're like, I think we're done. Well, I went last year not to shit on the aquarium there, but it was packed. I was getting like the... And the maze, it's like beautiful. The cave vibe that kind of rolls everywhere. Yeah, you walk up a circle. It's gorgeous. It's gorgeous. It was the acoustics. I felt so old. I couldn't hear anything. I couldn't find my daughter. I was freaking out. Yeah. I felt like a lot of teens on dates at the New England Aquarium. And field trips. I think that was the issue. Fuck the field trips. That's the field trips. But a little bit, maybe space them out more. I took a real hard stance late in the pod. I don't know. Space them out. Maybe not fuck field trips, but space them out. Need some room to walk. You know what I mean? Don't send all the kids on the same day. Not on the same day. That's not right. Got the penguins. Is that the note we're going to end on that's so sad? No, no, no. Because Seth has two final questions. Well, one thing I'll say, there was a thing where you could put your hand in the water and stingrays. You could pet a stingray. But you had to like... My boys are so excited and they like put their hands in the water. And there was like a lady who worked for the aquarium who was kind of like holding the microphone. She was like honest. She had a real Mark Maron pose where she was like sitting on a rock with a microphone like through a crowd work. She's like, and remember this is going to require a lot of patience. My boys just like, why wash up? I'll take their hands out of the water. Just like they're like, we're not waiting. If we get to pet a stingray, great. But if we got to wait for a stingray to rub its back against my hand, I'm out of here. Is that because of the internet? I think it's more just how my boys are wired. I think in like, yeah, I think in like 1950, they also wouldn't wait around the stingray. So only one of those boys you were with was your boy, Suf. Oh, that's true. You're right. It was my son and my friend and his friend. But they're all little. So... All right. Here we go. Last question. Have you been to the Grand Canyon? Yes. Was it worth it? Yeah. Great. Did you go? When did you go? We stayed at a lodge. Okay. We stayed at one of the national lodges there. That was really cool. Was this with Alex? Yes. Great. Yeah. You guys seem like a... I will say, I think couples that go to the Grand Canyon together, I think it's a very good sign. Yeah. Yeah. I think couples that go to the Grand Canyon together are meant to be together. Yeah, I agree. This is my heart take that I've never had before, but I'm going to now establish on the pod. Yeah. If you don't go to the Grand Canyon together, like it's not going to last. I think you can... It can last without going. I just think if you're going... No. Look, I think what Anna is saying is two things. One, if you don't go to the Grand Canyon with your spouse, you're living a lie and two fuckfield trips. To the aquarium. So great to see you. You too. Thank you so much for having me. So good to see you. Our pleasure. Thank you. Family chips with the mice brothers. Family chips with the mice brothers. I'm going to camp for a week. Some like to set up their tents and a rinse and RV.