Empty Netters Podcast

Kings Cups, Kessel Stories, and Hating Boston College with Alec Martinez

145 min
Apr 2, 2026about 2 months ago
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Summary

Empty Netters Podcast episode featuring guest Alec Martinez, a three-time Stanley Cup champion who finished his accounting degree while playing in the NHL. The hosts discuss the wild playoff race, goalie fights, and Martinez's career highlights including his iconic Game 7 overtime goal in the 2014 Stanley Cup Finals.

Insights
  • Elite athletes can successfully balance demanding professional careers with educational commitments through strategic planning and institutional support, though the psychological toll is significant
  • Momentum and belief are more predictive of playoff success than regular season dominance; teams down 0-3 can mount comebacks through incremental confidence building rather than dramatic tactical shifts
  • Post-playing career transitions require intentional pacing and boundary-setting; refusing immediate opportunities allows athletes to preserve identity and make authentic long-term choices
  • Goalie fights have increased this season (279 fights vs 297 last season), with notable Russian involvement, suggesting emotional intensity and physicality are rising across the league
  • The current NHL playoff race is historically tight with multiple teams controlling their own destiny, creating unprecedented competitive balance in both conferences
Trends
Increased goalie involvement in fights this season, particularly among Russian-born players, suggesting changing enforcement cultureTight playoff races with 8+ teams within 2-3 points in multiple divisions, indicating league parity at historic levelsPost-retirement media opportunities (TV, podcasts, YouTube) becoming standard career path for former athletes seeking gradual transitionCollege hockey seeding controversies highlighting disconnect between fan engagement and neutral-site tournament logisticsOffensive production concentration: elite scorers (McDavid, MacKinnon, Kucherov) dominating Art Ross race while depth scoring remains inconsistent
Companies
BetMGM
Primary sponsor offering hat trick jackpot promotion and anytime goal scorer betting with promo code NETTERS
Tesco Mobile
Sponsor offering EU roaming and mobile connectivity services
Bauer
Hockey equipment and apparel sponsor featuring spring collection with athletic wear and casual lifestyle pieces
Miami University
Alec Martinez's college where he played hockey and completed accounting degree over 13 years
Keck USC
Medical institution where Dr. Evan Watkins received cancer treatment via radiologist team
People
Alec Martinez
Three-time Stanley Cup champion who finished accounting degree while playing; now doing TV and podcast work
Dan Powers
Co-host of Empty Netters, cancer-free, drives podcast narrative and guest interviews
Chris Powers
Co-host of Empty Netters, participates in betting analysis and hockey discussion segments
Dr. Evan Watkins
Co-host of Empty Netters, recently beat cancer, participates in betting and hockey analysis
Jonathan Quick
Roomed with Martinez in minors; had historic playoff performance in 2012 Cup run; later traded to Vegas
Jeff Zachoff
Martinez's best friend since youth; played with him at every level; drafted year before Martinez by LA
Darryl Sutter
Coached Martinez during 2012-2014 Cup runs; known for intense coaching style
Jeff Blaschel
Recruited Martinez to Miami; one of three key mentors throughout his career; now head coach in Chicago
John Cooper
Coached Martinez at select festival level; one of two great coaches on Team Michigan
Darren Millard
Encouraged Martinez to pursue TV work; developed friendship during Martinez's Vegas playing days
Johnny Stevens
Worked with Martinez for 12 of his 17 pro years; intense coach who maintained focus during Cup clinch
Jackie Quick
Described as generous, hospitable person who hosts team events and builds family connections
Alexander Ovechkin
Scored 30 goals at age 40; chasing Wayne Gretzky's all-time goal record with 1,005 total goals
Connor McDavid
Leading Art Ross Trophy race with 125 points; won four straight games for first time this season
Nathan MacKinnon
Art Ross contender with 120 points; streaky performer affecting team's playoff positioning
Macklin Cellebrini
16-year-old with 101 points; potential MVP candidate if Sharks make playoffs despite team struggles
Evan Bouchard
Norris Trophy contender with 86 points; defenseman in conversation for best defensive performance
Zach Werenski
Norris Trophy favorite with 78 points; considered superior defensive player to Bouchard
Marty Naches
92 points, +45; buzzing since Olympic break with exceptional play alongside elite linemates
Charlie McAvoy
Top Norris Trophy candidate; strong defensive player who stops opposition's best players effectively
Quotes
"I made a promise to my parents. Going into my junior year, I was drafted... my parents were like, we support you either way. Just you have to promise to finish."
Alec MartinezEarly in interview
"I don't care that it was me. I just wanted to win. You know, I'm grateful for it. And I know how fortunate I am, but I just like, I genuinely like don't talk about it that much."
Alec MartinezDiscussing Game 7 OT goal
"You can't live in the past, but you have to be able to ride on your experience. We knew what it took and we had a few different pieces."
Alec MartinezDiscussing 2014 comeback from 0-3 down
"If I would have quit hockey cold turkey, like that would have been pretty tough to just all of a sudden give up like the biggest thing in my life, my entire life."
Alec MartinezDiscussing post-retirement transition
"There's so much talent in the NHL that doesn't end up on a score sheet or doesn't end up shown through traditional avenues of skills."
Alec MartinezExplaining YouTube channel concept
Full Transcript
Sorry for the voice note, just running for the taxi. Did anyone pack hair straighteners? No! I didn't! I've got hair straighteners, everybody relax, pre-departure drink anyone? Sure you can roam in the EU at no extra cost, but what really matters is friends and family. That's why we're happy to be your second most important network. Tesco Mobile. It pays to be connected. Terms Apply. See Tesco Mobile.com slash home from home. Welcome to the Empty Netters podcast. Can you believe what this has become? There was a full 48 hours where I felt like I was literally Superman. Jumbo loves playing Fortnite, so... Does he? He gets on the stick. Did TR show you the sauna cycle or was that all you did? No, I invented that. Almost a year now that I haven't taken a body check. That's kind of nice. So we are back, we are horned up, and we are going deep. Finished tonight with some chicken fingers and a few guinesses, we're ending you guys. Yeah, I know. That's where this podcast came to life. Ice is ready and we're back with another episode of the Empty Netters podcast brought to you by BetMGM. I'm your host Dan Powers on the sticks and cancer free! Dr. Evan Watkins! Thank you, yes. I beat... Well, the team of radiologists at Keck USC beat cancer, I just laid down on a table. And you let them beat cancer? You let them beat you. They beat you off. They beat you off. They beat off my cancer. You got your cancer beat the fuck off. Thank you, yeah. That's pretty sick. For now I feel pretty good. Thank you guys. Pretty sick. And over here, to my left, a man who can't make a reservation for shit. Chris Powers. I thought you were going to go, who is a cancer? Are you really? What's your sign? I would have also... We're firing! We are snapping it around right now. As always, as always. We are snapping it around right now. This is fantastic. All right, folks, we've got a huge episode for you today. Alec Martinez joins the show on the level of the interview. We're getting into the crazy, crazy madness that continues to go on with the wild card race. Up is down. Left is right. Everyone's drunk. It's insane. We've got a goalie fight. We've got torts as the new coach. It's all mental. Let's get on into it. Let's start with the goalie fight. Dude, what is everyone doing? I'm actually now like calm down. Goalies. I, I, I... Enough. We are one. We can't be fighting all the time, dude. We are one away from getting a calm down. If there's... I wanted them so bad. Now I can't, I don't want them. I away. I got a text from Fuss yesterday. Whoa, shut up. Fuss. Shut up. Fuss. Fuss texted me and he was like, how often do goalie fights happen? And I was like, they're incredibly rare. He was at the game. He was like, I'm here and the goalie fight's happening. And I was like, yeah, it's the hot trend right now. It's everybody playing Pokemon and they're getting in goalie fights. I have a question. Do, does it feel like fights are up this season just in general or no? I don't know if to get that data. Yeah, I'd love to get that. It just feels like... I don't feel that way. It feels like to me, and you guys have been paying more attention than the past few seasons, but it feels like the last time I saw this many fights, it was like 10 or 15 years ago or something. I don't know. Maybe people are more angry. It's climate change is getting hotter out. Climate change is insane. I would also buy it that people are going fights are down. I have an idea. You think so? Why don't you Google it right now? I'll look. I don't know if there's numbers for this. How many fights... I bet that's on Google. Could be. How many fights... Yeah, but is it real though? I think it is. How many fights have happened so far this NHL season and then do last season too? Yeah. Yeah. Listen, two teams that are out of the playoffs. It's a tri-state rivalry matchup. The goalies won at it. That's pretty fun. Dude, listen, I know I was just saying enough, but they are fun. I'll always take a goalie fight. At this point in the year, I've said many times, I am a fair weather fan, and if your team's bad, I don't expect you to be locked in. You don't need to be. You got other things to do. You have a life. Find other hobbies, people. Yeah. When there is a barn full of Devils and Rangers fans, at this point in the season when both teams are essentially mathematically eliminated for playoffs, pretty sick to get a goalie fight. You get a goalie fight. Those fans deserve it. What I thought was cool was... Actually, I thought a lot of things were cool. In the past, have you seen those clips of Shesti when there's kind of a scrum in front of the net? He goes into the goal. Yeah. Because he's like, don't fucking... He goes into his turtle shot. Yeah, and I'm like, that's amazing. So in this one, Shesti was kind of taking some shots. Sure. At a Devils player, and then Markstrom's like, I don't fuck with that. He comes all the way down, very cool to the fans. Also, the ref tries to stop him. Like the ref is literally going, he's like, hey. And Markstrom's like, whoop. Nope. And also... He's about to jump Shesti. And Shesti's like, let me take my shit off, dude. My helmet's on. And there was a moment where he took his helmet off. I was like, you're going to punch him before I even get set? It was... So I love that. Marky was horny. Me too. And I love a horny Marky, and that's great. That being said, Shesti, I kind of thought fed him a little bit. I agree. I think Shesti got the better of that fight. Because he was getting the jabs in, and then the big throws that Marky had kind of missed. And then he also got the take down. It was just a whole ordeal. We saw a sway go against Vassie. We saw... Who was it? Mersleicans who went against Bob? Who did Bob fight? Look that up for me. I think it was Mersleicans. But... It was this season, right? Yeah, yeah. And then we got now Marky going up against Shesterkin. Shesti. We got Nadelkovich. Nadelkovich was Bob. Nadelkovich. I knew it was one of the fun ones. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's 279 fights this season. Okay. And last season there was like 297. Okay, okay. So I think it's actually going to be available under last season. It was going to be right there. This is actually, we're on fight watch. But hey, I didn't realize we're on fight watch. Way more goalie fights. Yep. And everyone knows that each goalie fight counts as 20. Ah, there we go. So we're above. Bang. But we've got all the goalie fights have been Russian involvement. Very true, Dan. Very interesting. Shesti said he thought his first fight would be against Sorokin. Good or bad for the Russian movement. Bad. Because all they do is war. War, war, war. War, war, war, war, war. We're Russians. We love war. War, war, war, war, war. Get a new stick. Okay. Calm down. Just relax. Yep. Then again, providing entertainment for the league. Good. Then again. Then again. There's no fighting in Olympics. So what are you even bringing to the table? Yeah. Time to rethink your strategy, your war strategy. Anyway, shout out Mark from Anshesti. Thanks for doing it. And good job, Shesti. I would say that's a win in decision. Agree. Wildcard update. Do you want to rip through the games like you did last episode? Yes. And let me react. Yep. Monday. The pens beat the aisles eight to three. The pens are red hot. And listen, that's a big result. That's a big result. That was a big result. Three, three. Remember we were recording and I was like, whoa, it's three, three. Yeah, it was, I actually, I'm curious if people who watched the episode saw me visibly react. At one point I looked down, it was seven, three pens and I was like, I was almost like breaking news, by the way, but we were in the middle of something. The Knights beat the Canucks 4-2 in Torz's first game. Nothing burger for me as far as the wildcard race, but very big for Momo. Big burger in the Pacific race. For sure. And Torz, I thought there was a little transformation from the Knights between period one and two. In two, he said, go score. And they were like, yes. Oh, we can do that? Okay. That was big. The Ducks lost to the Leafs five, four and overtime. Nothing burger in the Pacific. I know it's still close in the Pacific, but I'm not phased by it because they still have that game in hand on Edmonton and Vegas. However, Mando burger for the Boston Bruins. Yes. Need the Toronto Maple Leafs to win today. Dude, I have the same thought. Also, I will say this and I love the ducklings and I love, and I'm so excited for them and I want them to win the Pacific. That, I haven't been a Pacific defender by any means, but I have been kind of like, well, leave the ducks out of this. They're fine. Sure. And then it's funny to watch a team who's like last place in the East, who's also trying to lose, beat the, I'm like, oh, the Pacific's horrible. Like, it's tough looking for the Pacific. The Sharks beat the Blues five, four. Legitimately. Hanging around. Okay, Sharks. Hanging around. I declared you dead. Yep. And, and obviously I did not like to do that. I love the Sharkies and your two points out of a spot. Yep. You're alive. Tuesday, the Bruins beat the Star 6-3. Are the Bruins in? Is it over? I think I, I'm not going to say that. I am. Every declaration I have made, actually that's not true. Every declaration I've made is currently correct, but not securely direct. I knocked the caps out of the playoffs. I'm not kicking down my door. I'm not going to make a declaration, but it'll piggyback on something I tweeted. The way Boston has dropped their nuts on the table in these last 15 games is very impressive to see. I'll say it, or for me, you don't have to say anything for you. Bruins have made playoffs. I don't know, they, they could drop to out cards. That was a monster win. Bruins have made playoffs. Congratulations, Boston. Also, Victor Arvindsen, one of the great pickups. What a sign. There were a bunch of Oilers fans who were like this, thanks for taking that off our books, Boston, you idiots. And I'm like this, he's fantastic. That's 20 fucking two, three goals up your ass. Yeah. Fuck you. Dude, stick that in your pipe and smoke it and then stick the pipe between your cheeks and then puff it. Yeah. Wait, out your mouth? All right. No, no, out the, out the pipe. Like you, you, you smoke it. Blow in smoke rings with your butt. And then you put the pipe in your butt and then you blow smoke rings with your butt. Yeah. Out the pipe. Put your head up the, the butcher's ass. Yeah. I'm a tiny boy. And see a steak, something like that. T-bone. Yeah. If I were to see a T-bone, put my head up the bull's ass, something like that. The, the Isles lost to the savers for three. Big, big Isles, Isles struggling. No, but Isles are in third. Yep. The Habs beat the bolts for one. Habs are fucking buzzing. Absolutely on fire. When it was one, six straight, they are, they, they are, they're firing. Yep. At the right time. Sends lost to the Panthers six, three. Just can't have an excuse. Also Matthew, that's your brother. Yeah. Wow. Good point. What's wrong with you? Inexcuses. He can't have anything. What's wrong with you, dude? Like you have the one year off. He can't have anything. Brutal. Pens beat the wings five, one. Completely. That's what. Completely unacceptable, but the pens after getting a little leaky are kind of surging. And that was a game Detroit needed. Larkin back in the lineup on the score sheet. He's been back in the lineup. But like what I'm trying to say is Larkin need, they need Larkin back. Larkin's back. They need Larkin's playback. Here he was getting on the score sheet immediately, but it wasn't enough. Caps beat the Flyers six, four. Really funny. Yeah. Because Caps hanging around. Hanging around. Yeah. And the Flyers, fuck, they battled back so many times in that game. So I thought they were going to tie it. I want to backtrack. Detroit needs to win their next three straight games or they're officially on fraud watch permanently. Permanently. For the rest of their franchise existence. No, no, no. Dude, we know you what happens is and the people of Detroit don't want to hear this, but you dropped the watch. Like if you don't win, you are now fraud. You're not on fraud watch, you are fraud. The next three straight games need to be wins or you are frauds. Jackets lost to the Canes five, two. Brutal, but tough game. Yep. And the Jets beat the Hawks. Absolutely in insane that the Winnipeg Jets, the Jets of Winnipeg are a point out of a landslide. Who? The Jets? Yeah. The Jets? I thought they folded the fray. I thought they moved back to Atlanta. I said they were the worst Jets since 9-11. Now they're in here. They're in a playoff. They heard you. They were very offended. They were incredibly offended. And that didn't even happen to their country. Stolen valor. Now they're just shoving it up my hoop. Insane. What the Jets are doing. Awesome, dude. We're going to make them a fucking... never mind. No. We're not making that T-shirt, Chris. Wait, wait. This is where we're going to put the ad in for the T-shirt. Yeah. Go ahead and give me that. Yeah, if you want, Chris. All right. This is where our ad for United Airlines comes in. And then the spunk lost to the Oilers. Spunk might be dead. Spunk might be dead and the Oilers, they're looking good. Can you believe this? They won four straight for the first time all year. Yeah. I was like, the Oilers lose. Dries out. The best team is the Leafy. They're unbelievable. Fucking crazy. Okay, standings as of recording right now. In the East, the Habs are in third, 74 played 96 points. The Pens are in second in the Met, 75 played 92 points. Isles in third, 76 played 89 points. Pens looking pretty good with that game in hand, and the cushion. Wildcard one, Bruins, 75 played 94 points. Wildcard two, Jackets, 75 played 88 points. Sens out, 74, 86. Wings out, 74, 86. Flyers out, 74, 86. Caps out, 75, 85. Every single one of these teams is in it. Yep. Every single one. In the West, and dude, the Jackets are actually catching so many breaks. Like they keep showing and then the Sens, Wings and Flyers are just like we also lose. But you can make the argument everyone is. It's happening in the West too, as you'll get into. Except for the Bees, the Bees dropping nuts, the Isles. Because like where is- And the Habs, Habs, Habs, Habs. Because the Isles honestly are third, but 76, 89. The Blue Jackets 75, 88 with that game in hand. Like the Isles are jumping on thin ice. Sure. In the West, Vegas, third in the Pacific, 75, 82. Utah, Wildcard one, 74, 82. Preds, Wildcard two, 74, 77. Kings out, 73, 76. Jets out, 74, 76. Sharks out, 72, 75. That 72 is awesome. Spunk out, 73, 75. Everyone's in it, including the Spunk. They do want to say this and this is a message to Kings fans and to the LA Kings team. The fact that the Kings vibes are quite low right now and I think a lot of Kings players are like fucking, damn it, Christ, we've lost a bunch of games we can't lose. And you still control your own destiny. You win the one game in hand you have, you are in the playoffs. It's incredible. That is a great feeling, use that. Channel it, channel it, channel it. Spunk's very much in, actually. Sharks very much in. Sharks actually... Everyone's in. Sharks are in the driver's seat. Yeah, I mean if you consider the fact that the Sharks have only played 72 games. So actually Dan, the Kings don't, I thought the Kings controlled their own destiny. The Sharks do. They actually don't, the Sharks control their own destiny. It's just so many games. It's like one win is different than three straight wins. But yeah, but it's only two. It's two. Yeah, so it's like that's actually interesting. I was kind of listening to... One win is less than two. That is true. And two is less than three. But the Sharks right now control their own destiny for the wild card too. That's amazing. So yeah, wow, fucking hell. I was kind of like, man, the boys are in trouble, but they're not. They're fine. They're fine? Well, they're not fine. They have time to go through their schedule, but I really want to. Okay, that is the wild card race. Things continue to be drunk as hell. And then every time we get these two day breaks, no one really pulls ahead. Yep. It's unbelievable. Oh, shit. All right, let's talk OV real quick. 30 goals last night. 20th time in 21 seasons. Fourth player in NHL history to score 30 goals at the age of 40 or older, joining Gordy Howe, Johnny Busek, and T. Musilani. Unbelievable. Very sick. Gordy Howe 44 is awesome. Or 44 is so dope. OV being in his 40s, tucking 30 yet again, and then showing up for the team bus with Subway, Sub, and Cheetos in hand. Slamming hot Cheetos. Yep. I can't... He is just such an embodiment of good for hockey. Yep. That image. It's up on Ice is ready right now. He is good for hockey. Did you just read this Gretzky thing or no? I did not. I saw that it was like, if you count as 77 playoff goals, OV has 1,005 total NHL goals just behind Gretzky who has 1,016. And if the caps get in, he could break it. I don't think he can break that this year. No. But if the caps get in, he could break it and will. And if he plays next year, which... He will. I'm declaring right now OV is playing next year. But it's just hilarious that Wayno just can't... He's like, all right, dude. You got it. It's never ending onslaught of breaking my scoring records. Give me a fucking break. But congrats, OV, that's sick because after the start he had this year, I was like, oh, wow. He really was just chasing that record and then doesn't give a fuck. It's true. And he does give a fuck. He do. He do give a fuck. He gives many fucks. Okay, little trophy chase update. Yeah, talk to me. I and you, but I have been stroking off Cooch the last month as I'm like, here comes the Cooch five points a night onslaught. Sure. Like he does every year and then he wins the Art Ross and then it's all over. But he has slowed down a bit and so have the Bolts. And McDavid has passed him. McDavid's 125 to 121. Cooch still has seven less games, but Art Ross doesn't care about how many fucking games you played. It's how many points you have. And now Nate's at 120. Four more games than Cooch, three less than Connor. Two weeks ago, I was like, Cooch is winning this MVP in a landslide. But now I don't feel that's the case. What do you think? I don't think it's the case at all. This has been, it is so weird that stat I showed you that is like the rank league rankings, cup winners in the last 10 years, they are always in this stat. And the only team in the league that is in top five and everything is Tampa. That, including Colorado, the only team is Tampa. That is when I'm like, they are the best team in the east and they are cup favorite. They probably are going to the cup. I have never seen a streakier cup favorite type of team. It's insane. And the fact that Cooch is streaky as well. I'm like, what is going on here? So I don't think it's a lock at all. I think he is insane. And frankly, Christopher, I'm going to sit here and say, let Connor get the Art Ross. And you cool off a little bit here so you can be hot in the playoffs for the first time since you won the cup. Okay. That's interesting. How about that? Would you give it to Connor and Nate right now? MVP? Yeah. I'll tell you what, I'm going to maintain what I've maintained all season long. If those sharkies win these two games and they get themselves into playoffs, I'm giving it to Macklin and it's not even a question. Actually, 101 points. Actually, he deserves it. Macklin Cellebrini is only 16 years old. And he deserves it more than Connor and Nate right now with the way, and everyone beaked me there. I was like, the abs stink and everyone was like, you're an idiot. And I was like, I know the abs don't stink. The fact that there was a single comment on, I think it was on YouTube that was like, yeah, the fact that you could say the, are you fucking kidding me? Do you know what the abs don't hyperbole sarcasm and joking is? I'm talking about blowing pipe smoke out of a butthole. Relax. The way the abs have cooled off and with the entire season that the others have had, would like playing, they're in the worst division of all time and they're in fucking second. If the sharks make the playoffs and even if they fucking don't. No, no, they have to make the playoffs. If they make the playoffs, Macklin should win it. If they make the playoffs, dude, he will win it. He is the MVP. It's not even a question. Let me ask you a question really quick. Yep. Rapid fire and then we're going to move on. Have we talked this year about Connor McDavid? At all? Yes. Just rapid fire. Nikita Kutrov. Yes. Nathan McKinnon. Yes. Macklin Cellebrini. Yes. Leanne Drysidell. Yes. David Posternac. Yes. Nick Suzuki. Yes. Mark Shifley. Yes. Jason Robertson. Yes. You know who I haven't talked about? Who? Marty Naches. Oh, dude. And Marty Naches has 92 points tied for seventh in the league and we don't need to spend a lot of time in it, but we just like to give some double resters. I gave, you know, who has been one of the best players in the league since the Olympic break? Marty Naches. Nikolai Eilers. Oh, God. Who last night, his three points matched his career high. He is fucking buzzing. Yep. Marty Naches on the Colorado Avalanche is buzzing. Dude, I was watching those highlights that Scott, he sent of the cadre goals against the Flames and that Naches, it's been a great play by McCar2, but the one touch from Naches across, like he is so not out of his depth on that team, obviously not on that team, but just when he goes out there with these mega stars, he's like, I am right here. I belong out here completely. He is fucking gross. He is capital E. Yep. E-late. Yep. 35 goals, 57 assists, 92 points. Plus 40. Plus 40. Such a fucking season. Plus 45. He's got what, how many games did they play? He's got like eight games to score eight points and get 100 points. Just do it. Do it. Just do it. Naughty by Naches. Yes. I like that a lot. You put that on a shirt. There you go. That is a fucking shirt, Ed. There you go. That's someone who doesn't have cancer. Yeah. That's an idea from a cancer free person. No, that's the cancer is giving me these ideas. Yeah, yeah. That's the radiation. The cancer is actually channeled into his brain and is giving him good ideas. We don't want to talk about what that's going to happen. Let's turn it to later. For now, it's great. That's the radiation talk. For now, they're two having great hallucinations. It's great. Norris, we had talked about this earlier. Bouchard is up to 86 points. Wransky at 78, McCarr at 75. The Orwellers still have seven games left. If Bouch pushes that into mid 90s, he is going to win it just so you know. I know. I'm sorry. I will never, ever, ever, ever think Evan Bouchard is having a better season than Zach Wransky. Yeah. You give him 150 points. I would still say he's not as good as Wransky. No, I agree. Wransky should win it. And also, I was, uh, progress on the day that he was like, Darlene is getting my vote, which I love. Love that. Also, a lot of people, I said this the other fucking day, dude. Charlie McAvoy is in this conversation. He's been a best. I said he is at the top of the list. And again, I'm sorry. Are you good at stopping the other team's best players? Yeah. Because that's what you fucking should do as a defenseman. And some of the guys who get mentioned in this conversation are not good at that. Yeah. Spare me with your fucking lame ass Saber metrics graphic about like, well, actually they're one of the best defensemen. No, they're fucking not. Yeah. When push comes to shove, when some of these players are turning into spinning dreidels on the ice, I am not going to sit here and go, they're great at defense. I know that can happen to anybody. Yeah. But. Yep. But he is going to win. That matters to me. Yes. And it doesn't matter to the Norris voters because clearly he will win. And, and frankly, if he gets a 90, what's his career high? I don't want, I don't want to spend any more time on this. I think it's 92 points. God, if that is right, you are so fucking deranged. His career high is 82. So maybe you had something in the brain. So he's passed his career high. Yeah. Firing did. And. Good for you. Yep. And. He's a phenomenal player. If he gets mid 90s, they are going to give him that trophy. The Calder is going to Shaft Daddy, no matter what. Yeah. But I will just want it to say, shout out Demidoff from the parking lot. He now leads rookies. That was very cool. Beckett and Schaefer. He's a 58 Beckett and Schaefer right there at 57. And the Schaefer is winning literally no matter what. If the Islanders fall all the way out of the playoffs, that will be cannon fodder for debate. But it doesn't matter. He's going to win. Old head take by me. I don't like how people can win the Calder when they have played in the NHL the season prior. It doesn't matter how few games. Ooh, I don't like it. I kind of agree with that. But what if it would have been a S games? The game allowance is wicked high. It's too high. Yeah, that's what I mean. Because I agree it sucks that certain players don't even get a chance to win rookie of the year when they show up for playoffs. Exactly. I'm like, they're a rookie. But I don't like it. I just shorten up that game allowance. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. That would be OK. All right. We are actually, I had this thought, this is so random, but what did we, it's April Fool's today as we're recording. What did we do last year? An episode came out on April Fool's and we did something. Oh, we retiring, I believe. Oh, maybe that was it. Got some fuckers. Yeah, people were in the comments like, what the fuck? And then we were like, April Fool's and the fucking bitch. And guess what? You thought you weren't going to get again? Yeah. Alec Martinez is not on this episode. No, I'm just kidding. He totally is. We're going to take a break right now and then we will jump into that interview with Alec Martinez. Hockey is in full swing. 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Well, well, well, well, we are joined today by a Rochester Hills native, the 95th overall pick in the 2007 draft of the LA Kings, who also played for the Vegas Golden Knights and the Chicago Blackhawks, a world championship bronze medalist, a three time Stanley Cup champion, and a man who has to be the only player in NHL history to finish his accounting degree while playing in the league. Alec Martinez, welcome to the F2Nners podcast. AKA a huge nerd. Of all the crazy shit. He's a loser. Of all the crazy shit dudes who have been on the show have done. That might be number one. Dude, I was dying. That might be number one. It was awful, too. What possessed you to do that? I made a promise to my parents. Yep, good answer. Going into my junior year, I was drafted. And I was like, I just want to have a good enough year where I'm presented with a tough decision. And do I sign or come back? I ended up signing and it's like, my parents were great. They were like, we support you either way. Just you have to promise to finish. And I'm 19 or 20. And it's like I'm staring down the barrel of the NHL contract. I'm like, oh yeah, finished school. Like no problem. I only got a year left. And then I went back like my first couple of years pro like in the summer and took classes. But it's like, man, trying to wrap your head around like trying to write a paper after. I cannot imagine. And I was already, I was a accounting major. So I was in like the business school. So like any writing that I did that last two years of school was all like business writing. Like short and to the point. And then I go back and I have to like fill in all these bullshit electives. And like I'm taking like family studies and I got to write like an eight page paper and trying to get my mind after like just coming off a pro season. And to like write about the importance of like adolescent development. I'm like, what am I doing here? So anyway, and then we had, and then we had, you know, a few runs there that like it was either like, oh, okay. Like play in the Stanley Cup playoffs or sign up for a summer summer course. Obviously like I'm going to go back to school. No, but and so then, so then I ended up, it was like, I realized that I, I had like misread my like audit report or whatever. And I was closer than I thought after just like slowly chipping away. I actually took beginners in advanced ice hockey. No way. And couple of good credits. But I wasn't there. I basically just paid and then they're like, they basically gave me like an independent study. And I'm like, do you want me to like take a test? And the guy's like, are you kidding me? You said you just send him a picture. You're playing in the NHL. Like I think you're good. And so I was actually in that class with Riley Smith. No way. Without ever being there. Yeah. Without ever being there. And he said like they would say my name and roll call every once in a while. And he just started dying. And he was like, yeah, no dog. That guy's like, but I also love how he had the same idea. He's like, I'll snatch it. Yeah. Nice independent study credit. Yeah. I took beginners in advanced ice skating too. Funny thing is I actually had to drop it when I was in school because I had a foot problem. Yeah. No, he's got can't skate. I failed on ice skating. No, I had to actually drop it. But yeah. So after like, I guess 13 years to the day I walked in my freshman year, I ended up finishing. And I had like my accounting degree. I had one last class. It was financial audit. And I did like an independent study where I would talk to the professor and he wrote the book. Actually that the huge show is great. But he was great. Shout out Dr. Reffit. He was great dude, Andrew Reffit. And so I just talked and like, I don't know, I'd read like two, three chapters and then we'd chat for like an hour and a half. And then I had to take the exam. And I actually, it was like the last game before Christmas break. Yeah. And we flew up to San Jose. And all the guys like knew that I was taking the test. But the thing was, they were like so strict about proctoring exams. Like anyone walks in the shot like no cheat. I had to take my laptop and like turn it around the whole and like under my desk. So I didn't have like a cheat sheet. Sure. They took it really serious. And the guys knew that. So I'm like, I know these guys are going to try to like get in my room and like sabotage me. So I get just get a goose egg. They get no window behind holding up all the answers. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. And so, so I went up there. I must have checked that deadbolt like 10 times because I was like, I know the boys are going to ask me. And yeah, so I, we flew up there and before dinner, I signed in and I took the exam and shut the laptop and I'm like, all right, I'm done. And so I went down to the hotel lobby and ordered a steak and a glass of wine. And then the doctor, Refik called me. He's like, congrats, man. That day you just got your degree. Yeah, dude. This is your end goal. Holy shit. That's amazing. So yeah, so I actually, I think I might have been like sitting at the bar with like tie because it was just an easy like go grab dinner quick. And yeah. And so then that was, that was it. And they wanted me to like walk and stuff. And I'm like, no, I'm good. Like the guy that the 30 year old that's like walking with all the 21 year olds. I'm like, yeah, Van Wilder is a great flick. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to. Yeah, yeah. Not me. Yeah. Also after almost a decade in the national or more than a decade in the national too, you're like, so I'm going to just grab my degree, get out of here. Oh, I'm good. Do they sent it to you? You got it? Oh yeah, I got it like frame. I actually don't know where it is now. Might be at my in-laws here. Like after getting traded and moving around, like I just got, yeah. Yeah, you got to send that to the parents. Promise fulfilled. Yeah, it's actually true, dude. But that was the thing. Okay. So like my parents, I was so, I was so fed up with them asking me like, when are you getting your degree? And I just like, I think one time I just snapped on them and then they stopped asking me. So when I was doing this, I didn't tell them. And so then at Christmas, actually, because that was right before Christmas, I went on like Google Sheets or Google Docs and I made this like bullshit degree and put the curse of Miami University and then I put it in a shoebox and I wrapped it for my parents. Oh, they were like crying. Dude, they lost their moments. Yeah, yeah. So they were pretty fired up. But I was like, yeah, see, like if you just leave me alone about it for once, I'll actually get it done. That is awesome. Oh, that is awesome. I'm also picturing Marty at his like cup party. His dad's drinking a beer out of the cup and he's like, when are you getting that degree? Yeah. Exactly. I'm like, can you please just... Come on, dude. But yeah, no, I was like, I'm glad I got it done. Right? And it's like now that I have kids, like I can actually say that I did it and it sucked. But whatever, I made a promise I had to keep it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's great. Well, I mean, it sounds like you had a great time at Miami, Ohio. You had three awesome years. All first team 0-7-0-8 when you were there, game winning goal against Michigan to snap a 20 game losing streak for Miami. Unbelievable. How did you land on Miami, Ohio? So I actually... Well, like growing up in Michigan, like I always watch like the GLI and Michigan Mission State Tech all that and you're surrounded by college hockey. Oh my God, it's amazing. Seven programs or something like that in Michigan. And I kind of always knew that that was what I wanted to do, like in terms of like junior or that. Psychology, yeah, yeah. And then Miami was always like... We had a family friend who went there, not for hockey or anything, but I was just aware of it. And then I got to know Jeff Blaschel at the time. Now he's like head coach in Chicago and he's basically like... If I have three mentors throughout my... I'll call it like, well, I guess throughout my career, he's... That were like a big reason of why I had the career that I had was he was one of them. And so he's a Michigan guy, but I actually, I played like select festival with him and that was back when they still did districts and now it's just like a jumble. Yeah. So we were on Team Michigan and we ended up winning the whole thing and saying cloud, which was super fun and playing with a bunch of Michigan guys and your buddies. But our two coaches were Jeff Blaschel and John Cooper, which is hilarious. So maybe that's why we weren't any good. We just had like sick coaches. Two of the great coaches. And so I got to know Blasch then. So I've known him since I was like 15 or 16. And then he was at Miami and he recruited me there and he was kind of just... It always felt like a good fit. And I actually, like my dream school growing up was Michigan. State had already like now it's normal, but it stayed at the time it committed so many D-men early. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like Branden Gentili, Ryan Turrick, names that no one listening or watching would ever remember way back then, but because they're just not old enough. Yeah. I'm dating myself big time. And no disrespect to those two guys. Just like it was a long time ago. But yeah. And then Michigan started recruiting me and then they just, they like ghosted me before ghosting was like a thing. Yeah. Yeah. And so, and I even called them because they were like, I don't know, reaching out to me a fair amount and they wanted me to go on a visit. And I was just like, all right, well, I'm going to make a decision soon. And yeah, just Billy Powers just dusted me. And that's all right. I went to Miami and I kicked their ass. I was going to say, I shoved it up their hoop. So then we had some good battles with Michigan, but yeah. And it just always seemed like the good fit. That's awesome. Like I liked it. It was great. It was like close to home without being too close to home. Yeah. I'd do that so. Like four or five hours. Such a good factor. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's just like, it's one of those things where you just, you end up exactly where you're meant to be. And that was it. Like Miami was awesome. My best friend. We had a huge class. I think we had like a nine or 10 guys, maybe 11 guys. But there's some of my best friends still. Yeah, that's awesome. And we talk all the time. So yeah, it was awesome. Yeah. No, it's not. Miami is like, especially when we were good, like it was a sick place to be. We were number one sport on campus. Yeah, for sure. People camping out like on Monday for our series against Michigan, you know, obviously starting on Friday. Like that's. Yeah. So that's sick. It was sick. Yeah. But we would stop by like, I'd be walking a practice or like going to class and there's literally students camped out intense, like at at Gaggen outside of Gaggen. And like, and they say, what's up to you? Like they see you and they're like, oh yeah. Yeah. And we'd stop in and be like, yo, you guys need anything? Like you want me to run into the dining room? I'm just their tent. Yeah. Yeah. You need some water? You need a swipe, like swipe in the dining hall. Like what do you need? Do you want a meal? Like I can bring it out to you. So you guys have class? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I'm like, who's and they would always like rotate, you know, like someone would you would have someone there, like lose your tent. If there's no one there, they do a check. You like to lose your spots. Crazy. Well, dude, you, you know, talked about being a good team. You guys made the tournament every year you were there, but you kind of had a BC problem. Yeah. 100%. I mean, those guys ended ended every year in my college. Literally every year. Ended my college career. Yeah. Lost first round year one. You beat UNH year two, then loose round two. Yeah. You beat Air Force. Thanks for your reminder. Oh yeah, we're going through it. Yeah, let's go through it. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. We talked about your kids and college being in their future. They're not going to BC. No chance. No Eagles in this family. Like what if they're like, we love Boston. It's such a beautiful city. Tough break. Yeah. Sorry. Don't give a shit. You better get a scholarship because I ain't paid. Yeah. Study up. You're going to Harvard. Exactly. You're going to anywhere. There's a lot of pro what is there? 60 something. Yeah. That was good. We talked about a lot of colleges. Boston's got plenty of them. Your, your junior year where you like, are you fucking kidding me when you went up against them? Yeah. Did you want them or were you like, fuck. I wanted them, but it was like, and I guess it's like a hot topic right now with like the seeding and Yeah. Yeah. where they should be and all that. I'm not like super in tune with it, but I've seen a lot of like, you know, kerfuffle about it. But it just sucked because it was like, we were the one seed. Like we squeaked in my sophomore year, but, but like we were the one seed, both my, my freshman and junior year, and it's like, we pulled BC and the Boston area in like the New England bracket. Like Manchester. We played them in, yeah. Well, we played them in Manchester the second time, but we pulled them in. Was it in Worcester the other two times? And I'm like, what? Like, come on. Like, yeah. And so at least, because I think at that time there was one of the years there's might have been a bracket in Dayton. Oh, right. Yeah. And not that we would have like, not that we would have pulled like a huge following, but it's like, we meet Boston and Boston as a one seed. Like, come on. Those first two rounds should be home ice. The frozen four without question. I mean, it is, you should have hosted those. It is one of the biggest frustrations with college hockey. It's like all of these neutral cities are such a waste. And they do it in basketball. So I'm not saying it's, no, but it's because there were the conversation is you want to grow college hockey. You got to show it to people on TV with massive insane fandom at the games because it's like you have all these games at Yoast, for example, if you don't have Big Ten Network, no one is seeing those crowds. So it's like you should be able to show that when it's finally on ESPN. And when it's in fucking, where are they this year? Like Worcester again? Who cares? Who cares? It's just random ass rinks. Like Omaha. It's Omaha. All right. Dude. No disrespect Omaha, but it's like, it's always Omaha. Oh, I love playing. That brings awesome. What I'm saying, like unless, yeah, it's just. When it's a game of like Michigan versus Bentley, it doesn't need to be an Omaha. You know, what are we doing? What a clock dude. That's insane. It's insane. God damn. But yeah, you're not going to have the kids go to BC anytime soon. No, but I mean, hell, I don't care if they want to then so be it. But I'll just try to gently steer them elsewhere. Yeah. Correct. But and that's the thing, like I don't give a shit. Yeah. I have no ill will to BC. Great games. It's part of the great. Cool logo, I guess. I don't know. Like cool jerseys. Yeah. Good for you guys. They're not in the tournament this year. Were you? Yeah, right. God, were you rattled when the boys went to the Natty the next year? No, I was fired up for them. And like it was weird because I had just gotten hurt. Maybe like a game or two before that. And so I wasn't even playing that game. So I was like not what it was the last game of the season and Manch. And I wasn't like I was watching the boys, right? Yeah. Like I was in the gym and the TV was on and I'm like, I'm like, oh my God, they're going to like they're going to they're going to do it. This is awesome. And but you know, it's like always jersey off your back night. Yeah. And so I walked out like hobbled out in my knee brace. And like did the jersey off my back thing and it was like, well, I guess there was like two minutes left and they were up and I'm like, they just won the national championship. And then and then I do the jersey off my back night, sign it, whatever I come back in and I'm like, oh my God, they're in a tee. Like what? Yeah. And then what? What two minutes did I miss? Yeah. And then and then they lose, you know, and it's like, I don't know me and my like Jeff Zachoff is one of my or he is my best buddy. I've grown up with him. I played with him at legit every level, which is pretty cool. That's awesome. Like youth hockey. We played against each other in junior, but then we roomed together in college, played in the minors, played in the NHL together. And he left with me as well, signed with LA. He's actually, I think, the reason why I was drafted by LA because he was drafted the year before me. Interesting. And I think they were just out there to scout him and watch and follow up on their prospect. And then they ended up seeing me. But yeah, we left. We left. Yeah. Shout out to Jeff Zachoff. Yeah, my boy. But but yeah, it was it was crazy that that they lost. I feel bad like fucking brutal. And like, yeah, and I just don't, I don't bring it up to the boys. Yeah, yeah. You know, but I was I'd like to think that like some of them I've been able to return the favor like because that core group I've had out, like I've had buddies at each time I won. So that's pretty cool. So like, that's so awesome. Yeah. Yeah. To actually, well, one of them has been to two or two of them have been to two. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, still. But between the between the cup parties and and stuff like that, I'd like to think that they were even. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're a little even. To be clear, if those BC losses had been national championships, I wouldn't have brought them. Oh, God. No, no, no, no, no. It's saved. Well, speaking of winning, let's get into some king stuff. That 2012 run, you guys come in as the eight seed. And that first round, you get the wagon, Canucks, President's Trophy team that year. And then you dummy them for one up three, nothing. Obviously, we see upsets in hockey more than some of these other sports. And you can beat anyone on a given night. But do you remember what the attitude was going into that series? Because they were so heavily favored. Were you guys just like nothing to fucking lose? You know, like what was the vibe going into that series? I don't know. We kind of like we hit lightning in a bottle like quickie was insane. Like it's one of the most unbelievable runs of all time. I've never seen like a display of gold tending like that ever in my life. Yes. And even since. And like he was sick in 14 to like or his entire life. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But like he was like that run, he was making saves that like no human, like not even hockey player, like no human had any business making. Right. Correct. And and do that buyers of the bench so much. Oh, yeah. Getting those things. Yeah, you you feed off that. Everyone like everyone wants to talk about like, oh, do you change your game when you got this guy? And it's like, no, you don't change your game, but it does give you like this air of confidence where you're like, all right, you know, like we know we're good back there. Like we got to take care of our shit up here. And so but yeah, it was like, you know, going into that, I also think I was like us. Was I 20, 23, 24? Yeah. And I was like young and dumb. Like I know like you're like, I'm changing my game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like obviously, you know how good they are. But yeah, you know, they lose in game seven the year prior. And it's like they're the perennial powerhouse that over those course of, you know, a couple years. But yeah, I don't know. We just like it was weird. Like we sprinted through that playoffs. Like dude, yeah, nuts. The the story. So not we went what 16 and four. And we didn't lose a game on the road until the final. Correct. Yeah. I think you went up 3 0 in every series. In every series. It was. And so like I remember sitting there after we won and I'm like, all right, I just want a Stanley cup. This is incredible. But like, did I really get the playoff experience? Because I was up every game 3-0 and I'm like, man, and then, you know, 14 rolls around and it's pretty much the complete opposite. Yeah. Yeah. But but yeah, I don't with with Vancouver. It was just, I don't know. We the other thing too, it gets played up that we were the eight seed a lot. Yeah. But like, I think it was something don't quote me on this, but it's like if we would have won one of the last like two or three games of the year, we would have been in third. Correct. We're facing Chicago. Yeah. When didn't Phoenix knock them off? Yes. Yeah. Because you played them in the conference final. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That it was a very tight group points wise. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And you do you know what's funny? You're talking about quickies performance. The year before that was Timmy in Boston. Yeah. And it was like we did it two years in a row where it was like we have unconscious goaltending performances going on here. And it almost like that felt like the standard for a second. Yeah. It was nuts. Yeah. But dude, you just mentioned it. Round two, you sweep the blues who are the two seed. Round three, play the three seed yachts. Gentlemen sweep them. Yeah. And it's like at this point, this quickie performance is going on, but you are no stranger to quickie after rooming with him in the miners. Yeah. Guy's sleeping through his alarm every night. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. You guys heard about that. Yeah. Literally pulling him out of bed. Yeah. Okay. Talk about that, Rosyne. If he ever gets like labrum repair surgery or something, it's probably me yanking him so hard. Yeah. So it was funny. This was, we were up in, we flew up to Winnipeg and this was before the Jets had come back. Yeah. And we were playing the moose and I'm dating myself here, but we pull in. It's also, well, I won't say that, but. Well, to be clear, you're in the same age. We're all the same age. Yeah. So you're in good company. No, I know, but I was going to kind of bag on Canada for saying that they were still, you know, doing the wall phone. Yeah. Yeah. And like the, but. It's what a thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's okay. It's fine. But no, so we get up there and someone calls the room and it's just like, you see that phone. Yeah. Like in between the bed, I'm like. Couldn't pay me to answer that phone. Yeah. And I'm like, so I answer. I'm like, hello? And he's like, this is Ron Hextal. And I'm thinking like, am I getting called up? And he's like, it's quickie there? And I'm like, yeah. Damn. Fuck. Yeah. But obviously half happy. You're like, no. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's not. But you need a defenseman, you know, like need a D-man right now. And no. And so anyways, we had just gotten into the hotel and so he was getting called up the following morning. And so we were like, you are not, because you guys know quickies history and all that. Yeah. Yeah. And we were like, you are not sleeping through this alarm. So we must have like, when I say I'm dating myself, like we set, probably like three wake up calls with the hotel. Yeah. Probably like, what's the deal here? Yeah. You know. And then set every alarm on our phone and all that. And he had like, I think he had to get up at like five or six a.m. To make like a seven, eight o'clock flight back to LA. And then he never came back. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. And that was it. And but yeah, I always laugh about that. And we have a good laugh about it when we catch up. But yeah. So it was, yeah, I guess I'm basically responsible for, you know. You did this. You did this. Zero, zero cups for the Kings without Marvin. Is he snoozing? And then just like not, well, like what was he? Well, he just, he's just a heavy sleeper. Yeah. So he doesn't wake up to the first one. Yeah. He just doesn't. Yeah. So it's you wake up and then you have to get up and be like, Dickhead, wake up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. Unbelievable. But no, he's such an awesome dude. And all the best. I mean, speaking of like, like hockey being poetic, like coming back around and then we'll get to that later. But yeah. I can't even talk. Yeah. Yeah. It's unbelievable. But yeah, he was, I mean, he was lights out. I mean, the reason why he won the cons might be nasty. So heading into that cup and Chris, you know, you can jump into the cup itself. But like, I know you were young in this first one, but this was not unfamiliar to you seeing him play like this, right? Like where you kind of like this guy, I mean, obviously it was a nuclear performance, but you must have kind of known like that he has this in him. And, and were the boys taught like, you don't want to picture something, no hitter. Everyone's just like, don't speak where the boys being like, yo, quickie, you're fucking out of your mind. I mean, it's kind of like, yeah, you just, you're just going about your business. Like I know it sounds like so cliche, but like really in that, like there's so many momentum swings throughout like a series or even just a game or, you know, and it's like, I always like in like playoffs or like such this like emotionally revved up environment, but you don't really realize it until you come down from it. You know, and you're like, holy shit. Like, whoa, you know, like, and it's, you know, I've been lucky to, it's over beers after winning, which would be, it's a lot easier to, you know, come down from then, then being on the the wrong side of it. But, but yeah, it's just, I guess like, I mean, we were all aware of his performance, but it was kind of like, well, we're all trying to do our job and like, yeah, he's nasty, but everyone just keeps on saying, yeah, it's just like, yeah, don't, don't like change anything. Don't mess with it. Yeah, don't mess with it. And so, but yeah, I mean, it was also like a long time ago. So I'm sitting here like trying to rack my brain like, oh man, but that was like, about 14 years ago. Crazy. Okay. Well, when you get to that cup, I kind of have two questions. One, when you go up three, oh, again, was it nearly impossible to not be like, we've won, like we are dominating. And then the follow up is when they win two, are you like, oh, yeah, all of a sudden. Well, it's like everyone, you know, is here like the can to answer, like, you just got to focus on the next night, but it's like, we're all human beings. Like it's human nature to think like, oh, do we, do we have this thing? Like are we, and I remember like thinking like, wow, this is a real possibility, but you're fighting that the entire time, right? Like mentally. And, and by no means, I mean, Jersey was like, even though we met and no disrespect to Van, but like, they obviously were the president's trophy, but like, we all said that we thought Jersey was like the best team that we had faced. And I mean, they were really good. I mean, especially like you look at that game one, like, I could have gone. You know, it was OT twice, right? Yeah. First two games. Yeah, first two games. Yeah, Copey scores. And it could have gone either way, but, but yeah, so like, I lost my train of thought here. Oh, you guys thought Jersey was the best team you could have. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so, I really really did. Fuck. What were your questions? I was saying, did you feel like you wanted, you said you were fighting it, and then you were like, we thought they're the best team you look at that roster. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And so like you, you really are like thinking about that, but you're, you're trying to fight it at the same time. Like we always. So like going forward to game five when we end up or six, when we ended up winning, it's like we're up five to one. What was it five to one or five to two or something? And I remember Matt Green scored like this knuckler from the point and it was like the game was already done, but like this whole time, like, well, I guess Skidari gets hit. Right. Yeah. And then like we go up on the pot, we score two and like we're up, but you're fighting that the entire time, like in game because you're like, all right. And, and Quickie has talked about this where he's like sitting in that and he's like, all right, we're up by three, but like if they get a quick one, and then they get a quick one after that, this is a different game. You know, and you're, and you're trying to suppress that. So hard not to do that. And so then, so then I ended up greener scores that goal and I like sprinted over and like jumped into him to celebrate. And it was like, after the fact, I felt like such a dickhead because it was like in front of their bench. That was the sixth goal, but it gives like an idea of where my head was at because the whole time you're thinking like, all right, we're up, but this is like a zero, zero game, zero, zero game, and you're trying to fight that the whole time. So kind of the same way with like with the series, you're trying to fight the human element of it. And it's like, for sure, I can't let my mind get any further than I'm like, am right now. Yeah. Yeah. God. And it's also, if there's ever a time to celebrate a sixth goal, it's the family cup final. Like, you can't be like, oh, no, we're fine. It's like you're playing presumably the other best team in the league. Like you got to keep it. Rip it. But they were, I mean, they were really, really good. I mean, there's some of the names on that other side like Colchuk and Lysakora on that team. I think so. I was wondering where Elias was on that team. Elias was on that team for sure. Someone like Dana Zubris, like Marty Broder. Like, and Colin Frazier breaking open the series and scoring a five-hole goal on Broder. And, but yeah, it was just, it was wild. Yeah. Thing it back at it. God, and you were so young, dude. Yeah, just young and dumb. Yeah, I was like, oh, my God. Was that day with the cup unreal? Yeah, it was awesome. I mean, my three were all awesome in their own way. Yeah, yeah. Different. Like my cup days were different. Like I was a single guy the first time. So it was just the boys. And then. Did you go back home? Yeah, I had the second one. I had a girlfriend at the time and some of my buddies had gotten married. So it was like the girls were invited at that time. And then nine years after that, like it was kids and like family. So it was like equally as cool. The chapters of your life. Yeah, the chapters of my life. It's unbelievable. Yeah, so hopefully I went another one and I'll be in a walker. Yeah, it's party. And that's actually like a walker's like what a month away. Yeah, I was going to say, I got a couple more surgeries, dude. Jesus Christ. Yeah, but yeah, no, it was a wild run, especially like 16 and 4. It's crazy. It's insane. So crazy. It's a great comment that you said earlier where it's like, did I even get this play of experience? Because you did it in a way. Yeah, and I'm like, I didn't play game seven. I didn't do all that stuff. And yeah, I don't know. It was, well, in 14. Yeah, yeah, here, here, come on. Yeah. Well, in 14, just a couple of years later, beginning is as opposite as it gets going up against the sharks. You go down to 0-3. I need to know having been so recently from the last cup run, when you were down 0-3 against this great team with, you want to talk about rosters, Jesus Christ, that shark's group, having just done it and just been an eight seed and just outperforming, winning so many games in a row, did that bleed into the conversations in the locker room in this year and in this particular matchup? Or was it totally new year, totally new day? And you were like, doesn't matter. Let's just go play game four and see what happens. Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, I think it's one of those things where like you can't live in the past, but you have to be able to ride on your experience. Yeah. You know? Well said. We had gone through that before, or not, we'd gone through the run before. Yeah. Like we knew, like that core group, we knew what it took and we had a few different pieces, right? Sure. Because you have to, but shout out that 70s line. Yeah, I do. Ty, I know Ty's been on here a few times. Yeah. And Pierce, but yeah, it's like, it's this weird balance where like, yeah, you just, you can't live in the past, but then you also have to be able to like, hey, we know what we need to do. And obviously starting out down three is not the way to start a playoff. Especially in San Jose. I mean, they were, they were nasty and that like that building was something else. Like the shark tank was rocking the low ceiling. Oh my God. And it was a fun environment to play in. But yeah, like crazy that and we just, I remember I, you guys are familiar like Manhattan Beach, it was, we came back down 03 and we had like the day off and my family was in town. So we went in between games and we went to Uncle Bill's pancake. Yes, dude. And I, great spot. Great spot, man. I have an epic story about that because I gotta tell you. Okay. All right. I can't wait. Do you know Uncle Bill? No. No, I wish. He's our uncle. Yeah. No, but I see, I see Brownie there because he's there with his family too. And we just kind of look at each other and we're like, let's really try to win this one, you know, like we got it. And it was obviously saying it in Jess, but yeah, it's just like, we're like, hey, we just got to get one, you know, and then just chip away at it. So like, I don't know, I don't know how we did it, but like I'm just happy we did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's just like, it's, stories like that are so incredible. First round you were down 0-3, you're dead to rights by all accounts. You then win the cup that year. Unbelievable. But it's like, I understand statistically, it's every time someone goes down 0-3, it's so unlikely that you win that series, let alone continue to go on and win. But it's like, we all know you could win any night with so many of these teams. And it's like, I always look at it as, well, that team just won 3 in a row. Why can't we? Yeah. And it's like, here you go, it happens. It's like, look at the cup two years ago, Florida up 3-0, and next thing you know, we're in a game seven. So it's like, Jesus fucking Christ, this is crazy. And yeah, go ahead. It's weird, like, I mean, momentum, like all it takes, like it's, momentum is such a funny thing in hockey. And like, it takes one little play to just flip an entire series. 100%. You know, and I don't know if there was really like one play in that San Jose series, but like, it's just a funny, funny thing. Especially when you get into seven games here. Yeah, belief and confidence. Yeah, belief and confidence. And then just casting a little bit of doubt in their mind, because it's like, I've been on the other side of that. And you're just like, oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Like, all right, they're coming. Well, we were talking, you asked me, I guess I didn't answer, but like, when we lost the two against Jersey, yeah. And it's like, we're flying across going back and forth. And we just like, it sits in the back of your mind, like, we better get this done. Yeah, definitely. Like the pressure mounts. And it's a real thing. Yeah. Do not want to say it. And then after you beat the sharks, I was thinking, oh, maybe they're just going to start rolling now, but it's like wrong. Absolute slug fact. Well, hold on. I do quickly need to know. Listen, this has been a while, so we're not insulting anyone. When you win that game seven, were you guys like, oh, holy fucking shit. Yeah. That had to have been a pretty, I know it's round one, that had to have been a pretty awesome party. Yeah, I mean, yeah, but it's like, you can enjoy it. Like this is the cliche thing to say, but it's actually true. It's like, all right, enjoy it tonight. That's a thing about game seven. It's like, there's no time. No, you're playing in like a day. You have like maybe a travel day, maybe two, you know, in between. But yeah, I just, I remember thinking like, oh man, I would really hate to be in San Jose's exit. Yeah. You know, like that's where it's like the human side of it. You're like, ooh. Sorry, of course. Yeah, you don't feel bad, but like you put yourself in those shoes and I'm like, e. Yeah, you do think about it. And you're like, damn, that is tough. Yeah. OK, so anyway, slugfest against the Ducks, which is like an insane back and forth. Then you get the Hawks. You guys go up three, one, I'm pretty sure they win like the double OT game five, win game six, then you go to game seven. So here you are again. And in that game, you guys go down to nothing, three, two, and four, three. Yeah. Battle back, fourth OT, and then you fire a rister from the point. Fucking goblestack. What did that feel like in that moment? Well, it was wild. Like, I mean, same thing that you're talking about. We were up three, one on Chicago and not to bypass the Anaheim series. Yeah, which is insane. That was a slugfest. Yeah. But like going into Chicago, it was like, all right, well, we had a chance to finish this off, but also like we just played two of these game sevens on the road like here we go again. Oh. You know. But that was the thing. It's like we had this like confidence, even though we are down like, all right, we're good. We're good. Yeah. And I don't know when we just, what was it? Gabby? Gabby scored that goal to tie it in the third. Yeah. And I remember, yeah, we went down to nothing early in the first and in that building too. Like, and it's just like, you know, and we, and you think about that, like we had just lost in that building the year prior in 13. And lost two in a row to them in the series. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah, it's just, I don't know. It's like, and also at that time, like you don't have time to think about that stuff. So you're just like, all right, I'm just in the moment, you know, like I'm just worrying about my next shift. Again, such a turd answer, like cliche, but it's like really the only way to handle it or else it'll get the best of you. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so then, yeah, with that goal, it was. Did you see it going? Because it was kind of like through its screen. I could kind of, I started, I think I saw Stoli start jumping with the story behind that was Ben Smith forward. He must have blocked like three or four of my shots. Yeah. Kick, fuck. That game. Yeah. And I was just like, I was getting so rattled and probably Darrell was just giving it to me for not getting him through. And so I thought like, if I ever get a chance against him again, I'm just going to stop and try to go the other way because I'm like, I'm not, I'm not getting him through on this guy. And so then obviously I do the stop and I come back and I just throw it. And I mean, I got super lucky like off the leg leddie or whatever. But it was just, it was a good play by Justin Williams. Like just weird, right? Yeah. Game seven, that guy does the play. Yeah. Shocker. Yeah. Shocker. What a stunning event. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And it's just, yeah, I just got lucky and threw it at the net. And I actually just told this story the other day, but I told, I called my old man after the game, like after all the hoopla and all that stuff was done. And I remember I was sitting on the bus at United Center waiting to like pull out. And I called my dad. I was like, you believe what just happened? Like, I'm like, dad, I hope you know, like this is it. Like this is the pinnacle. It's all downhill from here. Like, like I'm never going to do anything like that ever again. And then little that I know that we were going to end up doing it again 10 days later. But like, what a world. But yeah. So it was just like kind of a cool moment with my dad. I was like, but, but yeah, I remember it was like me tie. Yeah. And maybe it was Darryl in the press conference, but yeah, wild. And were you like, because that is such a, like you said, it was with the pinnacle in that moment. Where does it hit you right away? Or did you like, did I feel like I would have woken up in the morning and been like, holy fuck. Yeah. I, yeah, I don't know. It's like, again, you're still like, you're like, all right, onto the next one. Like jobs not done. Yeah. And it's, I mean, I, I'll be honest, like other than settings like this, I don't think about it. Yeah. Really ever. Like I, I believe it. I just, I don't know. People bring it up to me, but I don't, it sounds so cliche. And I feel like a turd saying this, but like I genuinely don't care that it was me. Right. Like I just want, I just wanted to win. You know, 100%. Man. And I mean, let's call it a spade of spade. I got pretty lucky. Like I just threw it at the net and just, you know, but, got it through though. Got it through. Fucking right. Hey, well I almost got it through. I got it at least down there. Yeah. Yeah. I got it at Xer. But yeah. So they got crazy. In that final, which is possibly the craziest five game series of all time. I think it was like game ones, OT, game twos, double OT. You're up to, win game three, game four. They went, you're coming back. How much of you is like, holy shit, we've already had two OT or more games in this series. We're up. Sure. But say what you will, MSG is a crazy barn to play in. You come back to LA. How much in your head were you like, fucking end it now? Like don't, do not go back to New York. Let's take care of this. Honestly, like all of us were just, we were just like, we don't want another cross country flight. So tired. Dude, it's real. And it's like two years ago, same thing. It was the same airport. We were flying in and out of Newark. And we were like, oh, deja vu all over again. I'm like, man, I just don't want to get on that bird again. And I remember like back to that original series, like we, guys are so dehydrated and like for sure, up and stuff. And like those cross country flights, like, I mean, they're grind. Oh, definitely. And then in 23 with Vegas, it's like, we're doing the same thing, Vegas to Florida. I'm like, my goodness. You know, and so that was like, buddy, we were doing it commercial. I get it. And it's like, I like, we wanted to win, but we more so just didn't want to hop on a bird again into that flight. So, but yeah, it's, I mean, it was, I mean, it would have been obviously cool to win it, but I'm actually very fortunate to have won the three times at home because it's just, it's all true. It's awesome. So, so awesome. But, but yeah. Yeah. But you're in double OT and game five. Obviously, Toph comes in, low shot squirts out to you. First of all, talking about being dehydrated, it's the end of the season, all the travel, you're in double overtime for the second time in the fucking series. Do you, did you black out during that? Or do you remember that play vividly? I, because that gets your stick and you must have been like, oh my God. Yeah. It's like, it happened so quick. You don't know. And I almost blacked out afterward. Like I don't, but. But yeah, it's, I don't know. Like I just, I feel weird talking about it. Like, but it's just, it's like, again, I don't care that it was me. Sure. I know it sounds corny. No, no. But I genuinely like don't think about it. Like I'm reminded once a year when people tweet at me on June 13th. Yeah. And then. You hear the doc emirate call. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know, but I just, like I just feel very fortunate to like, I mean, we've all scored that goal in our driveway as a kid, you know, or mini sticks in the basement or something like that. And to be able to do it in real life is pretty special, but like I don't, there's other things in my career that I'm more proud of. Yeah. You know, I heard you say like, back to the game. Yeah. Yeah. And we can get into that. Yeah. Yeah. We can get into that afterward, but it's like, I don't know. I, I'm grateful for it. And I, I know how fortunate I am, but I just like, I genuinely like don't talk about it that much. And you can probably tell that I, like, I'm like folding up into my shell. It's like, hey, can you turn my thumb out? But I think it's so awesome because you having done that, like we said, the, the imaginary dream you do as a kid, it is so clear that after the grind and the journey, it is so much about just doing it with your team. Who gives a shit who scores? Yeah. Getting the win is the best. And it's like, you are the living embodiment of that being a real feeling that it's like, cool. Yeah. I scored. I'm grateful for it, but I'm more grateful that I got to win with this group of guys. That is so awesome. Right. And it's back to your point about like being the end of the year. I think like if you added up with all the extra over times and periods we played, we played almost like 30 games. Isn't that, yes. Yeah. And we went to game seven of the first three suit, but, but yeah, like it's, it's a cool feeling to have scored, but like a better feeling is seeing Mary and Gabric lift the cup for the first time, seeing Robin Regere lift it up for the first time. And like seeing a guy or guys like that that have been around for so long and, and were never, you know, able to do it. And then all of a sudden they, they can like, and not that I was like some all knowing kid. I was 26. Yeah. Like, and I, but I had just, you know, we had won a couple of years before. Yeah. So like that feeling and sharing it with people that you care about is far better than any goal that you get ever school. Yeah. So, you know, you know, it's really awesome about your three cups as well. It is. I mean, like I'm not talking about beating people, but beating Broder, Hank and Bob, like, yeah, yeah, Drew Hall of Fame, all time, Goal Tenders is kind of a sick. Good. Yeah. It's a good resume. Yeah. It wasn't me. But you know, like those are, it's pretty cool. Like those are battles. Yeah. Those are some, like you had your three cups, you went up against some of the best of all time. That's what. Yeah. But we also had Quickie too. Yeah. Right. So we had to come across. Yeah. Yeah. And Hillsy was, well, that was a cool thing about 23. Is that like crazy? Brasois and Hill. I mean, they were, they were dynamite. Dynamite. And did it. And Quickie was on that team. Yeah. Which was sick. Okay. Well, so Vegas, I, I heard Kessil was also being like, don't make me fucking fly back to Florida. Yeah. That's actually a true story. Yeah. He's sitting in a stall, like talking like this. Come on, boy. You know, like doing the week. Get it done here, dude. Yeah. Yeah. That is so funny. Like he was, he was, he's an awesome dude, that guy. Like he's one of my favorites. Yeah. He's all time. Do you remember anything from that year with him? Just, oh, just like, I mean, he's just like the butt of so many jokes. Yeah. But it's all like, you know, like we love him, you know, but he's just like such a, like in a locker room, like he's so, like he gives it back to guys, but like it's always just, you know, like ripping on Phil. And then he's just like, oh yeah, rip on me. Yeah. You know, like all, and it's just like his demeanor, but yeah, he's, he's such a good dude. And well, it's like I came on the show and told us the marshy headbutt story. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Like that shit's just always happening to him. It feels like fucking marshy. It was me. Who else was it? There were only two other people in the room in Ottawa. And I was right there. I saw the whole thing. Really? Oh my God. But with like the Harry Potter scar and all that and like the stumble back and like the big, whole goose egg that they had, I don't even think Phil even like took a shot and warm-ups. He just skated around with his bucket, like angled way up and just didn't do anything. But that was incredible, an incredible moment. But the funny part is that was it Phil? So it was in the locker room, but someone had like, oh, it was actually me because I would always shower after. So I tracked in a little bit of water. So like one of the two, I can't remember if it was March or I think it was, hold on, but he slipped time on the water and almost like blue is growing after he's got the goose egg. Did Jack tell that part? He didn't know. Yeah. So like, so we were just like, we almost lost two of our top players and some stupid thing that they were like messing around before the game. I remember like, I think they came in and they went in and told the coaching staff and like, they didn't even know what to say. They couldn't even be mad. Yeah. Like, dude, you did what? But then Marchie missed like most of warmups because he was getting zips. Yeah. Yeah. But, but, Dude, that's so. Marchie's got zips, Phil's almost blown his groin. Yeah. Yeah. Also, Big ol' like goose egg right where his helmet sits. You're a post-warmy shower guy? No, sorry. That was like post meeting. Okay. I would shower before I warmed up. Okay. I was like, I was like going on in the hot tub or you know, something like that. But yeah, not those guys are psychos. And I know a couple of them. Me too. I was like, we all know a few of them and I was about to say. Once my gear is put on, like I'm not taking it, like I'll take my upper stuff off between periods, but like, unless I have to. It's all completely with you. I think it's sometimes. Unless you gotta take a dump or something. Yeah. My skates and all that are not coming on. I was about ready to say. I wore a girdle too. So I never, even if I had to do that, like, I could just. Guys who take their skates off. Well, like I understand I'm loosening them a bit, but guys who take their boots off. What are you doing? Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Well, because anyone that's played knows that like you, you retie them and they don't feel the same. No, they're like broken in and they're so tight and it's just like once they I tie them like I don't want to touch it. Yep. But you talked about that feeling of like fighting the like we're winning, but you know, it's not over yet. Did you let it take you when it was fucking nine? What? Yeah. I don't know. You're still trying to fight that. Maybe once it was nine. Yeah. Like and there was when was it nine? Dude, was it was it for a while? Yeah, because they got too late. Or maybe it was like maybe it was like eight one and then they scored two. Yeah. And then like one went off Petro's foot. Yeah. Like one. Yeah. Yeah. Well, funny story about that is that I had four of my college buddies out and then my whole family and all that stuff. And normally when I would go to the rink, you know, it's like when I get there, my phone's in my stall and I don't check it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, obviously with the buildup of everything going on, it's Vegas. You guys know that plaza there. Oh, yeah. And it's like it's slammed, right? And so for whatever reason, like after like before I like I would warm up like my off ice warm up, then I'd go get all my gitch on and all that. And for some reason I was just like, I'll check my phone. And my wife texted me and it was like a selfie of her and like all my buddies, my family, they're taking like shots down in ice loo. Yeah. And I'm just thinking I'm like, oh, well, at least they're having fun. Yeah. You know, like I'm ready. I'm like crying and trying to get like I got to work here, you know. And then I remember just feeling this like feeling like, well, we better get it done because they're partying already like we have, you know. So, but yeah, it was, yeah, I mean, I guess there was a, there's actually a funny story where our assistant coach, Johnny Stevens, I love this guy. I might go through a brick wall for him. But I had him in my LA days of my 17 year pro career. I think I was with Johnny for like 12 of them or some. That's awesome. And it was like, I don't know, two minutes left and we were at that point, it was nine to three. And at that point, I'm like, all right. Yeah, right with. Like we're going to celebrate the 10th goal. We started getting a little giddy on the bench, you know. And then Johnny is just, if you know him, he's an intense coach and, but awesome guy. And he's like, like, I can't remember. You saying something about telling us D-man to have like tighter gaps or something like that. And then finally, like I just turned around and it's like, I've had, I've known Johnny since I was 20. Yeah. And I'm like, Johnny, like, would you relax, man? Like we just won the Stanley Cup and he just like looks at me. And then like just cracks his smile and like hits me with his little like game sheet. And it was just, it was like, but that's like, yeah, that's like a good example. I say that in jest, but that's like a good example of the, like you're trying not to, you're trying to. He's doing it too. And he knows that he's got to do it. And he feels that pressure as a coach because he's like, I can't let the boys like get. See me celebrate. Yeah. Or like, I can't let this, you know, let them let it slip away or stuff like even though it's. Yeah. But, but yeah. So that was, that was pretty good. That's great. I love that guy. And he just kind of cracks his smile. Like all the D men were like looking at it and we're looking back and like we had a. We saw that Johnny. Yeah. Yeah. And then you mentioned this earlier, but how special was it to be able to hand the cup to Quickie? Like what a moment for you to hold it. It was honestly like, I mean, I was fortunate to have some pretty cool moments in my career. And that was one of the best. It has to be. Like the fact that, especially with the way everything ended up going down for him and everyone being shocked that it's like, Jonathan Quick, they just traded them to like Columbus and Columbus Bluejack is legend. Yeah. Legend, which by the way, that like. It was the funniest thing of all time. It was the fun. Like it was awesome. Yeah. Like they, they couldn't have handled that. Oh, no, true. And the fact that like it got Quickie to crack that smile with that straight rim. Yes. Sitting on the bench, you know, like that. So funny. It was so, so good. But yeah, and it was just cool because it's like, we talked about it earlier, like Quickie and I go back to playing in the minors and rumored on the road. And then all of a sudden, like, like what, 15, 16 years later, I'm like handing him the cup after all that in, in like, who would have ever thought that Quickie was like a golden night, right? Like of all people to send to like the rival. I mean, not that they did. Yeah, right. They ended up going that. But yeah, it was, it was poetic. But like speaking of him too, it's like he and his wife, Jackie are the best. Dude, Jackie is a haul of fake human. And I would not want to be on the wrong side of Jackie. But no, I, they are just the best. And it was, it was so cool to see him come to Vegas too, because like he won a few games for us too. Right. Oh my God. He was such a good, he was such a good presence in that room. He bought in like whatever I can do. But then like he taught so much to everyone off the ice. Like he and Jackie, you guys know, like are some of the most generous people I've ever, and they want to be the host of the party and they're, they, and they bring anyone who wants to come like they're all inviting. Like, and that was like such a cool thing that a lot of people learn from them. And just like how to handle that and how to like bring a group together and like make the families love each other and all that. And they were just like, it was, it was really cool for such a short time he was in Vegas. Like he, he and Jackie left such a big impact and, and like that organization loves him. Yeah. I mean, dude, they're just great A people. Yeah. It's unbelievable. And that was cool. And then it's like, if you've ever been on a, on a Jackie and Jonathan quick party bus, well then. Oh, that's on bucket list for me. That's bucket list shit for me. It's like, yeah, the night's going one way and one way only and you're having a great time. And I don't mean anything bad, but just like, they're just, they're, they're the life of the party. For sure. Super fun. And they just want everyone to have a good time. Yeah. That's awesome. It's amazing. The best. Well, here you are sitting on this show after you hung them up. No TV was like rule number one. Yeah. It felt like, yeah. Well, no, it was rule number two. No coaching. No. Okay. Okay. Fair. Fair. And then two. And then you were like, no TV won't do it, won't do it. And now here we are and you're buzzing. You're doing TV. You're doing podcast. Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm here to tell you it suits you well. And now finding out Danny's been doing it through writhing and pain. I do. I'm serious. Some things never change. This guy's about to lose a leg. It's unbelievable. No. But you're doing a lot of it. I'll tell you right now, I'm having a great time. You're good at it. Are you having fun? Thanks. I need to come on this show. Yeah. I'll have to. You live down the road. Hey, stop. There's a seat right there for you. I've been trying to get you to sit in it for months. Well, that's the thing that I was saying. I'm like, man, I've been trying to come on and I felt bad, but I just, like every time that you guys have asked me, I've been out in Vegas doing a game or Chicago. But it's, we've been ships fast in the night. We've been gone. You've been gone. And hell, I only live 15 miles down the road, which might as well be a different plan. So true. In LA. But no, yeah, I just, yeah, I always said like, and I can still say I'm that, I'm never going to coach. Yeah. Um, but I always said I wouldn't be on TV. And then it just kind of like organically happened that, so when I was out with, um, when I got sliced in the face, which is a whole another podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Um, we say we're saving that for the next few two guys, I would share. Um, I actually, Darren Millard, the host in, in Vegas, and he's been with sports now, like this guy's the best. Awesome dude. And, uh, awesome dude. And, uh, I spent a lot of time with him that year because I was skating a lot by myself trying to figure out my own problems and he would always come out with guys to have a goalie to shoot on. So I got to know him and we kind of developed a friendship. And then my last year in Vegas, you know, he's like, well, if this is, this is in fact the, your last year, you know, I think that you'd be good at this. And, you know, and I was like, yeah, I pushed back on it a little bit. I'm like, maybe. And, and part of that was just like, I don't think I'm ready to wrap my head around like what I'm going to do when I'm done. Cause I'm still like a player in my mind. Yes, totally. And, um, and then I also, I'm like TV, like, nah, I don't, I don't want to be like one of those guys in the media scrum, like asking questions because I like quite frank. Well, I liked a lot of them, but some of them I didn't, you know, and I'll just leave it at that. But, um, and I'm like, I don't want to be that guy. And, but then like he kind of convinced me. And then I was like, yeah, you know, and in my retirement, I just, I'm like, I'm going to take the first couple of years. I want to be a dad and I want to get my health back. And, and yeah, things are going, the dad part's going great. The health part is a work in progress. Yeah. Yeah. That's still in the queue, but I gotta go into the night a few more times. Check in with me like in five years from now. See if I got it. But, um, but yeah. So I'm like, I just want to try stuff. And so I'm trying not to say no to anything within reason. Like I'm not going to, I'm not going to head down to experiment rhino or become a chipindale. But like, um, but like I, That'd been an awkward running for us. Yeah, that would, yeah. Oh, fancy seeing you. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, morning. Yeah. Weird. Weird. I'm just picking up, they have great wings here. Yeah. Yeah. Great wings. Yeah. The T-bone steak. Yeah. 999. No, but, uh, and so like it was easy because I, I already had like a friendship with Darren and so he's like, yeah, I think you'd be good at this. And so then we were, we were chatting in the summer and then I did a few games with them and then Chicago called and asked and, um, I don't know, it's a lot of fun. Like for me, like if I would have like quit hockey, cold turkey, and I think we talked about this at the, when we played in the charity game together, like if I would have quit a cold turkey, like that would have been pretty tough to just all of a sudden give up like the biggest thing in my life, my entire life. Since you're two. Yes. As I was, yeah, two. And so this is like, gets me out of the house for a few days. I get to see my buddies because I'm buddies with the guys on Chicago and, of course, yeah. In Vegas. And so I'll see them for dinner or something on an off day. My sister and brother-in-law and my new nephew live there. So I get to see them in Vegas. And, um, and then I get to talk hockey and get paid a little money and I get out of the house for three or four days so my wife doesn't want to kill me. Yeah. You know, more so than she already does. Yeah. Great gig. You know, and so like, and they've been, um, I really appreciate it of, of both organizations, allowing me, but like when I initially talked to Vegas, I was like, Hey, like, I just want to always reserve the right to say no. Like, because I want to be a dad, I want to get my health back. Like those are my big and they're like, yeah, no problem. You know, and so they've been really good to me. And then I've actually done, I've ended up doing more than what we originally planned. And I like it. Like it keeps me, it keeps me somewhat involved. Like I, I follow my buddies, but I've, like I follow the teams now too. And it kind of forces me to, it like scratches the itch. Definitely. And, um, I don't know. It's, it's, it's fun. Like, am I going to do it forever? I don't know. Like, do they want me to do it forever? I don't know. But I mean, I think I would do it for another year and it's kind of like grown into other things and I've had different opportunities. So I'm trying to like stay patient at all. Yeah. And it's hard sometimes. And then doing like the breakdowns on, on Twitter or on my YouTube channel now, but which is weird to say, like I feel like a loser. Hey, pal. Hey, welcome to the fucking club. Yeah, exactly. You're talking to the right guys, dude. Like, all right. You know, please tune in to my YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like and subscribe. I'm like, I refuse to say that. Yeah. Say it. Like and subscribe. No way. But no, but the, I don't know. I'm just, I'm, I'm trying stuff like that is an experiment. The, the TV stuff is, you know, an experiment, but also, you know, fun to do. So I don't know. I'll see where it goes, but I'm not like in a hurry. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Really like, I just didn't want, like, especially with my two young kids, like how lucky am I to be able to hang them up? And I just don't want to jump at the first thing and it be the wrong thing. And then all of a sudden I'm like, oh, shit. You know? Yeah. So like, I can be a dad. I can be around. I don't have to travel as much, even though I kind of travel a little bit for the TV, but it's been, it's been good. Yeah. It's been fun. Hell yeah. It's awesome. It's awesome. Like we said, it's good to, good to have you in this world. Yeah. We need more people like you. Well, hey, I'm, I'm just down the road. So whenever you guys want me on. Here we go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we're going to play, we play a game with everybody that comes on. It's called Pass Shoot Score. We're going to play with you right now. Basically we give you categories of things. Yeah. And then I will give you three things in that category that I know you like. Okay. You have to rank them pass, shoot, score. Is this like Mary fuck hill? It's exactly like that. Exactly. All right. So here we go. So pass is your least favorite because passing the puck is good and whatever. Shoot is your next favorite. Scoring ultimate goal. Okay. All right. Okay. Your first category. I'm a college grad. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I put that in the grade. This guy's a grade. I could, yeah. It's literally an accounting degree. So he knows how. Yeah. He knows how to count. Super exciting stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Your first category is Rochester Hills Treats. Treats. Yeah. Okay. So pass, shoot, score. Can I guess the three things that you're going to say? No. No. No. No. Okay. Okay. Well, I mean, actually write him down because I want to see if he's going to snipe all three. Okay. I probably won't, but. I bet you, I bet you. I bet he gets a couple. I bet he gets two of the three because you know, it's tricky. Like I know, I find some that I'm like, he definitely loves this, but then some I'm like, who knows? Yeah. Yeah. I think this is a part of his life. We can't let our research be encrypted too much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Can I put more than three? Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Sure can. Okay. Okay. Your first one. And the first one I think is the one that might, he might not have. I agree. I think this is going to be the pass. Me too. But I just think it was from his childhood. It's iconic. It's from his childhood. Okay. So pass you score. Hitting Dairy Queen for ice cream after a hockey game. Hitting, and I'm not sure how you pronounce it, Lapumas, Lapumas Coney Island for a dog, or hitting Yates Cider Mill for an apple cider. All right. I thought we were going like treats, like sweets. Oh, oh, oh, okay. Yeah. So I have hometown bakery naps donuts, and then I put. We had naps donuts. Yeah. Okay. Those are good. I grew up on DQ. So it was DQ, Yates, and Lapumas. Yeah, yeah, Lapumas. All right. I'm scoring Lapumas every day of the week. That's my go-to spot. God, yes. Coney dog, it's the best. You have no idea how much this fires us up, because it's going to open a whole new door of conversation in one second. Okay. Finish your pass. Lapuma Tony is like the man. Like people I went to high school with still work there. Really? Fuck, that's awesome. Yeah. It's like, that's when I go home, like I don't make it, we live in the summer up in near Traverse City. Yeah. But I don't make it down. I just went there for a wedding. Yeah. It's incredible. But it's always like, it's where my buddies and I, we always meet Lapumas. Really? And it's like, you think like I should go back and like meet at the bar, but it's like, no, dog, like we're going, no pun intended. Yeah, yeah. We're going on Lapuma. Like we're sitting out by the river, like a little creek there. It's awesome. Yeah. And like two conies and a Greek salad, dude, and fries to share on the table. Yeah, and share fries. Because you got to keep it tight, you know? Always. Always. But scoring that for sure. Okay. I think I got to, this kills me. This is hard. Yeah. I think I got to pass on Yates. Fuck. Wow, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Does Yates do the cider donuts and all that? Yes. They do cider everything. Which is unreal, but there's a reason why I got to go shoot with DQ. So that DQ downtown, that was actually, I'm like, all right, so I'm not one to have any street cred, but I'm blowing it now. But like my wife and I started dating when we were like, I was like 31. Yeah. 32. So we were beyond all the bullshit, right? Sure. All that stuff. No games. And yeah, no games. And it was easy. We both knew like it was easy. And so I went back for my buddy's wedding and I brought her in August. And so that was at like the Henry Ford Museum downtown. We were staying elsewhere, but I'm like, I got to take you to my hometown. Yeah. And so I take her to Rochester Mills Brewery. Oh, see. And we have dinner, we have Rochester Red. Yeah. And like that's the go-to thing. Went to hometown bakery and then went to Nap's Donuts. Got a donut for like a, post, I guess, dessert. Yeah. That counts. It's kind of a no. But they call it a bang bang. Like you go to dinner one place and then you just go to another dinner. That's a quickie, Jackie quick thing. Yeah. Yeah. Bang bang. Yeah. But we went to desserts and so then we went to DQ because I'm like, I can't come home and not go to DQ. Not go to DQ. Well, so we were sitting outside and my now wife was like you, you like haven't asked me to be your girlfriend yet. And I was like, what? Yeah. You're in my hometown at Dairy Queen. And I brought you back. Yeah. And we've been dating for like, I don't know, five, four or five months. Yeah. I'm like, is that a thing? Like, do you need me to go on Facebook to make a Facebook official? Like are we, yeah. And do I need to do, like is this, are we in high school all over again? And she was like, well, it would be not. And I was like, well, I kind of thought it was implied, but like, I'm like, would you be my girlfriend? And we both have like a cone in our hands. So corny and cheesy. Oh my God. And I'm like, that's what I mean. You're literally 13. We might have to cut this out. You're 13 years old in this moment. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, I think. Do you want to lick a mine? Yeah, we might have to cut this. Yeah. What's yours is mine. What's mine is I already wrapped in like, you know, no, but I was like, I can't believe I'm doing this. But yeah. So then we always laugh when we drive by and it's like, well, I guess that's where we made it like Facebook official. Dude, that's your shirt. So that's why I got to pass on Yates. I don't know if my face, they long story, but they flew me to Ann Arbor to see a neurologist for like a week. So I went to my hometown and it was fall, peak, cider and donut season. So we went to Yates and it's dynamite. Dynamite. I love a cider. Yeah. Oh, it's so good. And that's the nice thing about like being up north in Michigan now, it's like, we're really close to an orchard and that's like, everyone that comes to town, it's like the hot donuts and the cider and it's like the best. I feel bad. Shout out Yates. Shout out Yates. I don't mean to pass on. No, I got love for all of them. I got a legit reason. You shot your shot at DQ. Yeah. You had to shoot there. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Let's be quick on this one because I do want to move to the dog conversation. OK, yeah. What do you get at DQ? Because there was like a DQ. Yeah, like there was a, there was one DQ by us in like Kiddery, Maine, but like we didn't go that often. But when I was younger, every time people would have the like. The blizzard. No, no, dude. For me. Yeah, they don't flip it upside down. Yeah, it's true. I used to get fucking horny seeing that like chocolate or like cherry coated twisty cone. That shit was insane to me. Like it looks unbelievable. OK, that's my go to. Is it? Yeah. And what flavor do you get? Vanilla cone dipped in cherry. In cherry? Every time. I mean, it looks. Every time. It's the most appealing looking thing I've ever. Just specifically the cherry. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable and it's probably just full of red 40. Yeah. And I'm just like. Give it to me. I'm buzzing out. Yeah, just like injected straight in. Put it right in. All right. So I'm glad to hear that. But not all Dairy Queens around the country are the same. So like a lot of them don't have the cherry dip. Yeah. But it must be like a Midwest thing. Yeah. No, we had it too. In Texas. We had it in Maine. Like it's all like Dairy Queen is more for food. And I'm like, wait, they actually serve food at Dairy Queen? Not the burger. Yeah. What are you fucking talking about? No, I have never once eaten at Dairy Queen. Like ever. I did not realize there were hot options here. What are you talking about? But I will say like on National Blizzard Day or whatever, like you got to go Blizzard. You got to do one. Yeah. Change it up. But I would say more often than not, I'm cherry dip. Yeah. OK. Good. All right. So at La Pumas. And you get the Coney. What is your go to? Two Coney's and a Greek salad. Yeah. And then fries to share. They have some epic ones. I saw a look at the menu. Yeah. The New York dog looks pretty gross. I mean like you get the BBQ one. The mustard, onion. Texas is barbecue coleslaw. Like come on. You guys did your research. Yeah, brother. I love that. We also don't fuck around when it comes to hot dogs. Yeah. So this is what, here's the thing. The more you come on. Do we need to fly to Rochester and do it? OK. You know what we're going to do? Seriously? Yeah. If it's the last thing we do, we will go to Rochester and go to this place. And then we have to go to Maine. Because there's a dog shop in our hometown called Flo's. Head to head comparison? Yes. Because it's also famous in the Far East area. Blind taste test? Yes. How though? They're so different which fires me up. Because a lot of bells and whistles going on here at La Puma's, which I love. Flo's is like, it's a small dog. It's a steamed bun and steamed dog. And they make this thing called Flo's relish that is like the craziest, delicious, like sweet and sour type relish you've ever had. And it's just like, they're going to be so different. It's going to be incredible. Yeah. Well, it's like, I'm fine with the head to head comparison, but we need to figure out logistics. Yeah. Because conies do not travel well. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of things conies do. That's why we've got to go. Like, we've got to sit there and eat. Then we've got to get on the burden, go to Maine, and sit there and eat. Are we doing bang bang? Yeah. No, not that. Yeah. I'll tell you one thing. I feel bad for the rest of the people on that flight back for Maine. It's so easy. It's easy. It's good. It's just like this. We've just been flying around the country eating hot dogs. People are like this. You guys sit in a row together, please. Maybe they're not like Chavar City summer. Like, it's the same vibe. Yeah. You know, it's just so pretty, so nice. It's amazing. Yeah, it's the best. With the conie, though, it's just the chili or whatever, you know, conie, and then mustard and onion. You're not going crazy. Like, you're not throwing it. It's not like Chicago style. Yeah. Which is very good, by the way. Yeah. But, yeah. No, it's great. All right. We're going to stay on food. Your next one is road trip dinners, like NHL road trip. Pastry at score, bottle in in Hermosa, Sorrentinos in Edmonton. Good bread there. And then Italian kitchen in Vancouver. Getting the truffle spaghetti and meatballs. Yeah, truffle spaghetti and meatballs. Man, this is hard because, like, part of me wants to go score with the truffle spaghetti and meatballs. That was, like, me and Dustin Brown's spot. Like, then we could have had a team dinner. It's like, sorry, boys. Yeah. No, it would never do that. But, like, that was our spot. Have fun, guys. Oh, no. That's when you do a bang bang. You go to Italian kitchen first. Yeah, see you later. Yeah. Yeah. But I can't, like, I live right next to bottle in. And that's, like, my go-to spot. Can I be honest? I almost hesitate saying it because I don't want people to know about bottle in. Yeah. Like, it's like, I feel like it's one of those things that I'm like, I don't need people hearing about bottle in. I love that spot. I mean, my wife and I, we're always, like, Martha's Cross Street and bottle in, like, all the time. It's like a green store for a sandwich. But, and we only live, like, a couple blocks from there. But I guess I got to go with my hometown and score with bottle. Hell yeah. I'm going to shoot with Italian kitchen. And then what was it? We're going to pass Sorrentino's. Oh, Sorrentino's is like, yeah, I mean, that's obviously iconic spot. Yeah. We actually, yeah, we had the, we had quite a few team dinners there, actually. Yeah, the night before the Edmonton series in Vegas. Oh, yeah, nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they pulled out all the stops, so to be the cap to them. Yeah. Especially for the, and they didn't poison our food. Yeah, right. Which they could have. At least not that I know of. We either have iron stomachs or they just didn't put it in our food. Yeah, they're like, what the fuck? We got to kill these guys. Yeah, I got to kill these guys. Yeah. That's so good. That's so good. OK, your next category is books. Oh. Nonfiction books. All right, good. Because if you were fiction, I'm fine. Yeah, you wouldn't know shit about that. You don't even watch TV, bro. Yeah, no. It's crazy. OK, in the Garden of Beasts. Yeah. Fearless, A History of the World in Six Glasses. Oof. All right, I got to go fearless. That's one of the best stories I've ever read in my entire life. Dude, holy shit. I would undoubtedly recommend that to anyone. Yep. It's incredible. Adam Brown. That is undoubtedly score. In the Garden of Beasts, I'm like, I like history and stuff. So I got to shoot on that one and then pass on the Six Glasses. I mean, it looked cool, actually. Yeah, like the Six Glasses is cool, but like I'm on blood thinners right now, so like I can't drink, so I'm going to have to. For right now? We just need to get that out of mind. Outside out of mind for now. That's true. That's true. That's true. I suppose that people listening has zero context, but we'll just leave it at that. Just temporary. Just temporary. Just temporary. Three bucks. Three bucks. Three bucks. OK, I love it. Fearless, I got to check it out. I agree. I mean, also, if you're into history books, I got a whole. Yeah. I like the nonfiction book. I got a couple ones you'll date. Well, it's like I save fiction for the movie. Exactly. Yeah. Like I don't know. Like if I want fiction, like if I'm going to sit down and actually read, like I want to kind of learn something that actually. Yeah, that's fair. It's a very fair take. Like if I want to turn my brain off, like how am I going to do that reading? Yeah. You know, like I don't know. I saw someone, maybe someone much smarter that works for that, but like me, no, like I'll save that for it. What would you say for movies? I only found two, so I didn't include it. I was going to do Forrest Gump and Dumb and Dumber. Forrest Gump is hands down my number one. Yeah, I couldn't find it. It's one of three movies you've seen. Yeah. Yeah. I literally haven't seen anything else. Yeah. Dumb and Dumber. I really like Charlie Wilson's War. I think that's like undercover funny. Yeah, it is. Not funny like, not a funny event. Event. Yeah. Or like. Yeah. So it doesn't matter. It's hilarious. Yeah. But like. So that would be as funny. And it's like hilarious. Yeah. But yeah, Forrest Gump is like, it's incredible. Perfect movie. Like it's the perfect movie. It's the best movie ever. Yeah. Because it's like, it's hilarious in so many ways. Like it's like a good drama in so many ways. Like, yeah, it's the best. And then Dumb and Dumber is just like, that's how I knew I was getting old in a lock room, where I would throw Dumb and Dumber quotes and guys would be like, what? Yeah. You know, it's a bad feeling. We introduced them with the young kids and I will reference these movies and they're like, what? I've never seen a movie like that. We mentioned N64 to Shae for the other day and he was like, what's that? He literally asked me what Nintendo 64 is. Christ. I was like, it's a bad. Goldeneye. Yeah. Come on, Dan. Marty. I shit you not. Last week, I was like working, doing research on something and I was on Twitter and just scrolling. I scrolled past. It was like a 4U post and it was like nostalgic video games. And it was a 13 minute video of just a level from Goldeneye. I watched the whole thing. Watched all 13 minutes, baby. And I was like, if there was an N64 in this office, I would fire it up right now. I'll never forget it. You start out in the ventilation shaft and facility. Correct. And you have to snipe that dude that's on the shitter. Correct. Yeah. Every time. Every time. Yeah, that's like, yeah. That all is etched into my room. You do like the freebase jump through that big fucking vent. Yeah. It's unbelievable. Fuck. That's awesome. We got to play some Goldeneye. All right. Let's round things out. We're going to do best lions of your lifetime. Passhoot score. Megatron. And Dama Kungsu. And Frat Stafford. Oh. I feel like Barry was a little too early. Yeah. Barry was a little early. Yeah. I mean, I guess I got to go Megatron. That guy was like for score. Like he was incredible. Like I remember that like, what did they do? Like that sports science thing? Yeah. Remember that was like a thing. Remember that? That was cool. And it was like, if you put this like 14 foot dome around him, he could technically come down with the ball. Like that's insane. Like what? It's like what? He was so fun to watch. It's so crazy looking back that he like retired when he was 30. He's insane. Like oh my god. I know. That's like the depressing thing about the lions. It's like the two guys that are arguably the best to ever do it, like quit before they. Yeah. They're not going to get enough of this. Yeah. They didn't. Yeah. It's a tough look. Yeah. But don't say it out loud. Hey, cut me open. I bleed. Hot on Lulu glue. Yes. Correct. Baby. Hell yeah. Through and through. Yeah. Like yeah. And it's a pretty well known fact. But yeah. And so then I obviously I'll go Stafford. Yeah. Shoot. Yeah. And then. Were you brought with your way when he won in LA or were you just sad? No. I was happy because my whole thing with him is that like that guy. Hear me out. But I think he was one of the big reasons why they were like so below average for so long. But not at the bottom of the barrel. Because he was so good. Yeah. That like he made up for so many inefficiencies that they never got that like top pick. Yeah. To help him. Like they didn't realize how bad they were. Yeah. We're close. And I mean that in like the most positive way possible. For sure. And then he like he never bitched. Yes. Ever. God. Ever. I mean dude that shows as one of my favorite clips ever. Yeah. When he dislocates his shoulder he goes back in throws. Yeah. Which is unreal. And he was like he's a warrior like he's the what he battled through and so yeah I was pulling for him. For sure. Like. Sue won in Tampa too right. Was he on that Brady team. Oh I think so actually. I think he was too. Yeah. Which is sick. Yeah we got to get Megatron back. Yeah. Come to come back. Come to come coach. It'd be fine. Yeah. Yeah. He could play. Yeah. Seriously. Unbelievable. But yeah no it's it's been fun. Dan Campbell dude. Well I'm feeling good. Dude I don't I don't even know the guy but I go through a brick. Like. I listen to one speech from him and I'm like this am I a football guy. I am so like I'm so. I'm running routes in the backyard. That's what I actually said that my dream job in retirement was I was just going to be like a Walmart greeter but like at Ford Field. Yeah. Like that's what everyone said. Like I'm just going to go there. Like I need to learn the stadium inside and out and be like yeah you take the stairs up there the elevator up to the third floor you know. Yeah. Like that was that's my dream job. Yeah. Probably with the Lions like I don't know what I would do. Other than that. Yeah. I mean I don't know enough about that's pretty good. They would take that Detroit Marty. Just football so big you know playing so much hockey growing up you know. It was always just like an outlet. Yeah. I mean I just like I remember I would have like when I rented here my my landlords would be like do you want the NHL package in this and I'm like absolutely not. Yeah and I felt networked baby. Yeah no no chance. They they're like really you don't want to watch hockey. I'm like all right do you think a plumber wants to come home and fix his own toilet. Like no. Like I get enough hockey at the rink. Like I'm good. Yeah. Like I don't want like I used to have that conversation with my dad like in the summertime and you want to talk hockey about like what's going on in the league. And I'm just like I'm like I can't like I don't want to I need a break. Yeah. So football was always like it's probably my favorite sport other than hockey. And there are some days where I liked it more than hockey. Yeah. But yeah it was always just like my outlet. I always love watching. I mean I don't even care who's playing. Yeah. But like watching it on Sundays. I was and we we would get a fair amount of Sundays off. So that was like just decompressing. Yeah. And hanging. It's perfect. Yeah. It's great. It's a nice bag off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. At times. Yeah. But amazing. Amazing. All right well Marty this has been a fucking blast. I think we can all agree that this is the first of many. Yes. When you'll be popping on here. Before we cut you loose do you want to tell everyone to like and subscribe to your YouTube channel or. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yes. Tell them where to find you. Yeah. Yeah. So I started this YouTube channel. Can I get into my little mini. Do the whole thing. I want the whole thing. I want the whole thing. Some people have referred to it as my manifesto. Like I didn't tweet for 10 years. And then all of a sudden it's like wham. Yeah. You know. And then and then people I had like a lot of people reach out to me and they're and they're like, hey, did your account get hacked? And I'm like, no, that's actually me. That's all of your. But I started brewing on this idea because I was doing it sort of in the broadcast. And my thing is that there's so much talent in the NHL that doesn't end up on a score sheet or doesn't end up shown through traditional avenues of skills. So like skating, shooting, pass, shoot, school, pass, school, score, yeah. Skating, shooting, stick handling, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, I go through and it's like, say there's three superstars in every team. There's 700 guys in the league. Three superstars, so call that 100. Well, there's 600 guys in the league that are there for a reason. And well, what are they doing? Because they must be doing something, you know? And so I'm like, if I can show, if I can showcase some of that talent, and it's like, all right, well, this is a highlight real goal and deservedly so, like it's awesome. Like, well, what happened before that to allow that space to be there and all that? And so if I can showcase the talent in the league, but then also educate like the average fans so they can appreciate the game a little bit more, well, then that's awesome. Like as a win-win. So it's still very primitive, as you can probably tell. I'm figuring it out. I'm very much an experiment. I'm playing with lengths. I'm playing with how I talk on it. I'm playing with what I do, like goal breakdowns versus I've done a couple player profiles. I'm sitting on a couple more. Just waiting for the right time to do it. I've got a few other ideas. But yeah, it's on YouTube. It's called the AM Rewind. The truth of the, well, I don't know if I should say this, but I'll tell you guys after about there. But the AM Rewind meaning like the morning after. But also my initials. Hey, we got degrees bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't have to explain. I'm gonna be honest with you. Phenomenal name. Phenomenal name. It's a phenomenal name. But I toyed with a lot of different things and I'll tell you the Genesis story of it once we're done. But, and I'll probably just have to tell it later. But yeah, the AM Rewind on YouTube and actually DeFoli's wife, Kat, like I've been on her podcast and she was the one that encouraged me. She was like, you gotta get this on YouTube. And I'm like, I started on the Twitter thing and then like someone was like, you gotta get on TikTok and just like a piece of me just died on the inside when I signed up for it, but I'm on it. Yes, yes. And so, and then like the YouTube, I just, it's like, it's longer form, right? Like if you want highlights, like there's a million places you can go. Yeah, for sure. You know, like go to NHL.com. But if you want to learn a little bit and watch a little bit like longer form, like what we're doing right now, it's not that long, thank God. But no one wants to listen to me break down a goal for an hour, you know? And neither do I. I don't want to do that for an hour. But yeah, so it's just, it's been a cool experiment. So yeah, tune in YouTube channel, the AM Rewind. Hell yeah. Incredible. God, the shared personal disgust we all have ourselves for getting on TikTok and YouTube is really special. Yeah, I'm not being said we should co-post some shit because then we'll help everybody. There we go. The internet can be a horrible, horrible place. It sure can. But it can be the best place ever too. Yeah. And hopefully you all felt that way about this. Yeah. Nice, Dan. Amazing. Dude. What a sign off. Great job. That was awesome. Huge, huge thank you to Alec Martinez, such a fucking good homie, so good on the show and confirmed gonna be back way more often. Dude, playoffs, we'll get him dialed in for playoffs. Hopefully he's not coming out of his 20th surgery. Marty, Marty? Seriously. I think of the Bang Bang going too. That's not the first time I've heard of that. I have a friend who lives in Rochester and he told me about that years ago and I'm like, wow. Okay. It's a regional thing. Double dinner. Double dinner is a huge move. We should do that. We should do some playoff recording and then double, actually we should, since the playoff games are so late, we should bang bang while watching playoff games with him and then come record. It is my dream to have one of our buddies who is an NHL guy back in LA and jumping on the show and here he is making my dreams come true. Can't believe it. It's awesome. What a dude, thank you so much. Let's take a quick ad break and then jump on back. Everyone knows that Bauer is the best in the game when it comes to hockey gear. I wear it head to toe, but now I get to cross my loves of hockey in fashion and talk about Bauer's new spring apparel collection. Yes, we know that all of these athletic brands make a lot of these cool, more casual spring collections, but they never quite get it right. 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So you're going to level up your off ice game and check out the Bauer Spring Apparel Collection available now at Bauer.com. From the rink to the street, Bauer has you covered. Shop the new Spring Apparel Collection at Bauer.com. We are back at the university. We were on a nice little sabbatical, a nice little vacation. Went to Utah. Yes, went to the states. I was sitting in a nice robe. You were. I was. And it's time for Professor Puttline to be back for us to go through our picks for the weekend of how you should make some money on Bet MGM. And we're dabbling again in a situation where the Friday fate continues to be the hottest thing since Mother's Biscuits. Absolutely brilliant. Fresh out the oven, but first the mega-palay recap. Sends no aisles, yes. I hate when you lose the first game. Whether you just keep reading, you fucking twat. Ducklings no wild no. Stars yes, canes yes. Jackets no. Sabres yes, always yes. Blues yes, preds no, abs no, wings no. Jesus wings. Mammoth yes, flames yes, caps yes. Nice finish, gentlemen, eight and seven. Just above 500, just how we like it. Just how we like it. We're not terrible, we're not great, but we're better than bad. It's fine, everything's fine. And that's fantastic. It's not fantastic and we are not striving for 500 is the life on the lion parley, which is supposed to win. The life on the lion parley is supposed to win. And it is not won and it was aisles yes, caps yes, preds no, jackets no. I think I went O and T. First time in my life. Yes, and I didn't want us to bring it up, but you have to hold me accountable. But I will say you have gone O and T. Several times, several times. Welcome, welcome Daniel. It feels terrible down there. Welcome Daniel. Radio Watford. Now, what is not terrible is the Friday fade. As I said, we gave you the rags over the hawks and the rags won six, one. This place team does not win unless you Friday fade them and then they do win. Truly incredible. This week, another two gamer on Friday makes our job both more difficult and easy. It's very true. Flyers at Islanders Blues at Ducks. Because the flyers have surged so significantly and are back in a wild card race, I don't think how there's any world where we don't say the Blues over the first place in the Pacific Ducks is not our Friday fade. Therefore, we shall take the Friday fade to Anaheim right after a trip to Disneyland and take the St. Louis Blues. On a West Coast swing, the Blues on a West Coast swing, no universe. They could possibly win. No universe. Could possibly do the Blues win this game. So we will select them with the Friday fade. Saturday Selly, we gave you Sir Tage Thompson. The Sabres won 3-2 in a shootout on Saturday. Tage had the shootout winner. That does not count, unfortunately. Which is fine. Oh shit. I think that's fucking rubbish. That's rubbish. You should absolutely count. Tage Thompson uses sick and put a puck in the back of the net. And then celebrate it. He then celebrated the goal, which is the entire point of the Saturday set. Absolutely rubbish. Who do we have? What are our options for this Saturday? Some people to keep an eye on this Saturday. Goal, Carfield at the Devils, because he is on Rocket Watch officially. Wow. Dylan Gunther at the Canucks, the lowly Canucks. Juice versus the Leafs at home. I just feel like the Kings need to win and Juice must score for the Kings to beat the Leafs. What a terrible. McDavid versus Vegas, he always loves a thing. He's in his home game and he's been on fire. And then Cutter is nearing 40. Does he? Is he very close to 40? Which he will get. Cutter versus the Flames. If I may. Please. Choosing Cole Carfield for the Saturday. He is Mr. Saturday. Yes, and he paid us this on 26 Saturday games, 26 goals. He has that bet, bears fruit nearly every time. It feels like playing with fire. We've started calling him Mr. Saturday and now we're going to do it again. I love the peck though. Yes, of course. It was worthy of a discussion. I love it. I do love the vibes, cheering on our mate, Adrian Kenpey versus the Leafs in a must win game. Must win, Daniel. Surely he'll score. I do also love friend of the program, Cutter go to a chasing 40. Those would be my picks. Between Juice and Cutter. Cole, Juice. Oh, we're but you're Cole is there playing fire. Mr. Saturday, does it feel like we're testing fate? Yes. Or does it feel like you fucking, you're listening to me. You absolutely morons. It's yelling. He scores every Saturday is chasing 50. Pick Cole Caulfield. Yes, cause chasing 40 is cool, but you know it's cooler chasing 50. A billion. A billion dollars. Billion dollars. Ah, I don't know. I feel how fucking hell. I, fucking let's just let it fucking ride. The Saturday Selly will be Mr. Saturday himself. Cole Caulfield to score and potentially get his 50th against the New Jersey Devils. We will take Cole Caulfield as our Saturday Selly. Mr. Saturday himself. Incredible. But we're rooting for our mate, Adrian can't be called against and must win game. We must win. Must win, must win, must win. The Sunday Haptrick Parley. We gave you the Keynes Moneyline. We gave you under 6.5 and we gave you a Seth Jarvis point because we needed to burn and learn. Remember, we needed to burn and learn. It was under 6.5. Jarvis hadn't assist and the Habs 131, we were only burnt. We were double-burnt. It was a second degree burn, Daniel. We need to fucking get back on track with this. Absolutely. Second degree. This is awesome. This Sunday, wild at wings, panthers at pens, Bruins at flyers, Keynes at Sands Devils at Habs, Caps at rags, Blues at Avs. It seemed to me that the scorching caps would vanquish the rubbish rags. I feel the same way. Caps Moneyline. However, no, I feel the same. Caps Moneyline under 6.5. Strompoint. Do we, I like it. Oh, we could go over. No, I like the Strompoint. Strompoint, if Obi scores, it'll be on the Strompoint. This is a great point, Daniel. So I love it, but we are taking the under. It's up to you. I think we take the under. Me too, LT, LT, Shesti. Caps Moneyline under Dylan Strompoint. Take it to the bank. Put it in your pipe. Smoke it by a fire. Now, for this week's mega parlay, live on a beach, 15 games, let us begin. Come home one time. Dr. Watkins. Yes. Are you ready? Yeah. Wings at rags. Oh, wings. Yes, Daniel, wild at Sands. Give me the wild. Ooh, a little bounce back. Christopher, avs at stars. What a game. What a game. Oh, stars been terrible at home. Feels like almost the game they get right on. Give me the stars. Give me the stars in that one. Dr. Watkins, Bruins at bolts. Bolts. Daniel, cats at pens. I think the pens stay red hot. Yes, yes, sir. Yes. Yes, pens, yes, pens. Christopher, Habs at Devils. Surely the Habs cannot lose this game. I will take the Habs. Dr. Watkins, Sabers at caps. Sabers. Yes, Chalkie. There's crepe, because then it's a bounce back win for the caps. Yes, they burn it. They burn it. Dr. I like where your head's at. It's brilliant. Brilliant. Iles at Cades. I believe this is a must win game for the Iles. I think they can do it. I'm taking the Iles. And maybe they burn it and learn. Maybe they burn it. Surely. Christopher Jets at jackets. Oh. Give me the jackets. It just feels like they need one. They need one so badly. Get in, get in. Watkins, Mammoth at Canucks. Mammoth. Mammoth. Daniel Leafs at Kings. Kings. Not even thinking about it. They need it. Christopher, Knights at Oilers. I just, the Knights need it, but they're not gonna have it. They will not have it. Give me the Oilers. Not even with Torts, wow. Give me the Oilers. Watkins, Flames at Ducks. The Flames, the Do. Yes, yes. Fucking hell. Daniel Preds at Sharks. Sharks. Christopher. I declared them dead, they got him. But they are not. They control their destiny. This is the team they must control it against. Christopher Hawks at Spunk. Give me the Spunk. They need it as well. I feel like every time the Spunk play in your picking, it's hard not to do it. Same with him roughly 95% of the time. Professor Feeny is a big Spunk. Big Spunk man. He Spunks every time. He Spunks every time. He's a pervert. He's a pervert. As am I. DeFeeny, I am a pervert. You two are educated gentlemen of Oxford. We are perverts. Live on a beach, wings, wild, stars, belts, pens, habs, sabers, aisles, jackets, mammoth, kings, oilers, flames, sharks, Spunks. Surely. Life on the line. Get your act together. Four games, four money lines. Get your act together. Do you want to go first? Yes. As pennants? As pennants for the losses? As though it needs to happen. My first. Their goalie is fighting. Perhaps it's good lighting, but the Rangers now don't look so shit. Laffy's got 50 points. He's the star of this joint. Unfortunate, the rest of the team has quit. But it's no longer March. A playoff thirst could be parched. Detroit needs to pick it up just a smidge. But if the drought gets to year 10 and the wings miss again, these fans will jump off a fucking bridge. Red wings, money line. Leagues money line. Come on, Detroit. Come on. Please get in. Come on, weese. Come on, weese. Christ. Christ. Next leg, next leg. Wearing only one sweater and delivering playoff hype, you only think of Mr. Crosby. He's simply not the wear multiple sweaters type. That would be Mr. Crosby. Oh. Pagua's money line. Pagua's money line like number two. Oh, God. Oh, no. No, it's me. Dear me. Our third money line. Jobs on the line, but don't worry. Everything's fine. The Kings need to win every game. Good news, it's the Leafs. Isn't that a relief? For this team is an absolute shame. Marner is gone. Soon poppy before long. The fan base must truly be torn. They're so good at being bad. Perhaps a new profession could be had. Time to dabble in humiliation porn. Kings, money line. Come on, gigs. Just think about it. Come on, wings, come on, gigs. The Leafs, you could do something different. You're used to the humiliation. Final leg, final leg. The mammoth, say playoffs, are basically in full swing. While championship teams say you must be joking. But Utah knows how to simulate the real thing. This is the land that invented Soki. Saw it from a mile away. Just a mile away. Yeah, yeah. Well, surely that is your four leg Parley winner. Life on the line. Brilliant. PENZ, Kings, Wings. Take it to the bank. Take it, step your game up. Step your game up, we're supposed to win. Class dismissed. And let's get back to the regular program. And, wow, thank you to the professors. Thanks professors. As always, take those right to the bank. I love those guys. I always work, I always hit. I love those guys. All right, not ice. The, let's get some not ice. I think we said on one of the pause recently that we saw Hail Mary. Have you seen Hail Mary? Yeah, I saw Thursday that I did like the old school like the night before it releases. Remember when that used to be a thing? It was like midnight. Oh dude, midnight release was the best. And now it's like, now it's like, there's like, oh yeah, four o'clock on a Thursday. I'm like, that's bullshit. I saw Tuesday at four. I saw every single Lord of the Rings at midnight. Did you? Yeah. Wow. It was sick. I'm getting too much for it, honestly. I'm pretty fucking sick. I was getting with all the chicks. I bet, yeah. I'd walk into school and be like, I saw Lord of the Rings last night, midnight. I was up till 3.30 in the morning. You're like, I call my penis sting. I mean, they're like, that doesn't sound. You're like, no, no, no. It sounds horrible and I'm like this, no, no, it glows when danger's around. And they're like, okay, I'm back. Yeah, yeah, that's actually a weapon, dude. Who's radioactive now? I went to Return to the King at midnight with Dan, presumably, I can't remember if you were with us. And at school the next morning, I fell asleep in like first or second block because we were reading. It was an English class and they were like, just read a little bit and I was like, oh my gosh. So I fell asleep and then someone tried to wake me up and shout out Mrs. Rosenberg. She was like, she knew I had seen Lord of the Rings at midnight and she was like, let him sleep. Nice. Did she do that? Cinema fan. The Rosenbergs rock. Shout out to your principal. Okay, so we've seen, if you haven't seen Hail Mary by now, you listened to this on fucking Thursday? Yeah. I think I said it right after. Spoiler's incoming, right? No, no, no, no, we're not even talking Hail Mary. No, no. Oh, fuck. I mean, I think I said it, I was really sharp on my assessment of that movie. I was like, I think it's getting a little bit overhyped as far as the reaction because people are desperate for a fucking blockbuster that knocked our tits off. And here we are, Titless, because it did exactly that. Is it the greatest movie of all time? No, but it didn't have to because it's a fucking blast and it's worth every second. Dude, I saw Dan, a stat that was like, this is the second movie along with Oppenheimer. Or it said only two movies, Hail Mary and Oppenheimer, have grossed whatever, 80 million domestically, opening weekend in the last decade that aren't a sequel reboot, spin-off, whatever. Like only two original ideas that in the last decade, I was like, what? Devastating. Anyway, the movie, I love the book, but the movie is made perfectly funny by the writer, the directors, but one Ryan Gosling, who is perfect for this role. And Dan, it said to me recently that Gosling kind of found his lane here in his later path of his career, you know? And he was joking like, God, Gosling's agent earlier must have just been like, you are fucking killing me, dude. Well, man, it's like this, if we're gonna go through, we're gonna pull a Bill Simmons here. Shout out Bill Simmons. He recently made one of his great acting comp videos where he compared Russell Crowe to Shaq. Where he was like, truly in the- Was Russell Crowe in Kazam or whatever? Oh, that would be hilarious. Should I cross over? Yeah, that would have been unbelievable. Or Shazam? Yeah, Shazam. That would have been unbelievable. There was a, in the early 2000s, absolute height of their game, truly dominant run. Best in the game. Shaq was undeniable. Could not be beat. Russell Crowe had gladiator, a beautiful mind, master commander. Like he was- LA Confidential. LA Confidential. Was unstoppable. Then they kind of stopped training a little bit, maybe packed on a few pounds, let the game slip a little bit. But then he was like, but then, and like, I forget what it was with Russell Crowe. I was like, the nice guys comes out. There's like Shaq's Miami Heat Days. I was like, couldn't really move as well, but he was fucking putting on an unbelievable shift. Got a fucking champion ship. And I was like, wow, this is unbelievable. I need to come up with like the hockey player comp for Gosling. Of Gosling. Because in my opinion, it's Gosling early days. We had, remember the Titans. And we had Half Nelson, Lars and the Real Girl. Couple of my favorite movies. Half Nelson's a little intense in what I'm saying. Let's go to the notebook. Where he shows heart, he shows compassion and the emotions, but he's always so funny and charming. Like he is the comedic relief. In there, we had Blue Valentine. I'm gonna put Half Nelson, Half Nelson is a tough movie. And we had Murder by Numbers, if you've seen that with Sandra Bullock, unbelievable film. These were the movies that were like, is Gosling Fracture throw in there too. Great movie, Anthony Hopkins, Rosemann Pike. These are the movies where his agent, and I'm sure Ryan were like, are you like Leo, are you a drama guy? Like what are we doing here? And that's where I always reference when his agent must have been like, will this motherfucker do a blockbuster film for the love of fucking God and get us paid? Cause he was just ripping Indies. Like getting Oscar nods, but he was ripping Indies for a decade. And it was like, what the fuck are we doing here? Then Crazy Stupid Love came up, made him an international star. And that to me was international star making because it was his wheelhouse. And like I said, remember the Titans, the notebook, Lars and the real girl, his wheelhouse, heart with comedy. Crazy Stupid Love was heart with comedy. That made him a star. But then they not made the mistake because he can do it all. But they were like, all right, you are a superstar, A-list movie star. We're gonna put you in these serious, gritty dramatic roles. We got Drive, we got Blade Runner 2049, one of my favorite movies. We got First Man. But it was like, is this where you shine? And then he blew our tits off again with the nice guys, with Barbie, with Fall Guy. And now with this, this is Gosling's fucking fastball. Yes, it is. I will say though that Fall Guy, it did not do as well at the box office. And I saw the movie, I liked the movie. I think that people were a little over exposed to him at that point. You know what? Post Barbie, he should have taken a break. You know what? I think that's a great and astute take. I think it is a shame because that movie not doing better at the box office is one of the great tragedies of the last 10 years in film. Fall Guy is fucking incredible. It's great, it's so much fun. The chemistry he and Emily Blunt have is some of the best I've seen in forever. And also, I have watched that movie. I'm not kidding. Plains are included in this. I have watched Fall Guy at least 10 times. Holy shit. That movie is so fucking funny and it is so worthy of the watch. It's a blast. But you know that is a reboot of an old series too, weirdly. But it's original enough because I feel like nobody really... No one knew that. You can go because I hate this idea. His physical comedy in that, that might be his best physical, I mean, this one's pretty close. But the physical comedy he delivers in the Fall Guy is fucking out of this world. Okay, so the three of us are... I'm gonna come up with the perfect NHL player comp to blow what happened here. The three of us are right now gonna decide on in order, Goss thinks top 10 roles and we have to agree. We don't have to do them in order but we're gonna get one through 10 and we have to agree. And it's like a blind ranking except it's not blind. Okay, amazing. You got it. Okay, I'm not gonna list all these but you guys can see them. What do you think is definitely... And these aren't all of his movies. Like we've left out Plains Beyond the Pines. Yeah, we've left out a couple things. I mean, I haven't seen every single one of these films. That's okay, me neither. So what ones do you think are for sure in his best roles? I gotta ride for drive. Okay, we've gotta drive. He doesn't even speak in drive. We've gotta drive. He's mute. Movies are about visual. Visual, man. We're talking about Ryan Gosling performances. Okay, well we just have a vote for drive. No, okay. Project Hail Mary. Project Hail Mary. Okay, we've gotta vote for Hail Mary. We've got, I'm gonna put the notebook in there. Okay, interesting. We also didn't mention La La Land, La La Land. I'm looking at the list that you've typed up. How is La La Land not on this list? It is not on the list. Oh, I just, I skipped over it, sorry. It's not on the list. La La Land was in that, in my rant there, was in the same category as where I put the nice guys in the, yeah. Okay, the big short, you love that performance. I'm putting in the big short. Okay. 100%. What about Crazy Stupid Love? I'm not, I'm not yet. Too much of an ensemble for me. Okay, I'm also not gonna put that in. I am gonna put in Blade Runner 2049. Okay, yeah. Even though it's not his fastball, his, where I believe is his best wheelhouse, I am gonna put that performance in. All right, I'm putting in Fallow. I mean, he took a punch to the face from Harrison Ford on that film, like for real. Yeah, he true did. So like, he gets it for me. I'm gonna put in the nice guys, okay? Great movie. Great movie. And everybody's pissed they have not made a sequel yet. I would love to see. They're like, it would be a slam dunk. God damn. Okay, what about Barbie? What about La La Land? Dude, oh. I am gonna say, I am gonna say both of those. I also, some of the, I'm gonna go back to the early days. Lars and the Real Girl for me. We, okay, okay. We didn't even mention the Ides of March. Oh, fuck, I forgot that movie. Oh yeah, the corny one. Yep, he is fantastic in the Ides of March. Okay, are we putting that in? Like, I like that more than a fracture, and I love fracture. Yep. And I, dude, Half Nelson in Blue Valentine's so good, but I need to stick to my guns where his best performances are his wheelhouse, and those movies are not the best. Okay, so what, so we, do you wanna put, we've named 10, do you wanna put in La La Land and Crazy Stupid Love? They have to be in here. Okay. All right, so we. Actually, not Crazy Stupid Love for me. No, me neither. Okay, I adore Crazy Stupid Love, but I don't think it's one of his best. And I remember the Titans, he's not in it enough, right? Even though it's, I saw him. The thing I remember are Crazy Stupid Love was, he took, he takes his shirt off. Yeah. But didn't they like digitally enhance the app a little bit? No, that's what I heard. Don't tell me that. That's what I heard. He was like, no, he worked really hard on that. I'm sure. But I think they just like did the, probably just good lighting. Guys, good lighting. This is, I don't wanna talk out of school, and I won't mention who the actress is, but I was drinking at a bar, shout out, rest in peace, the den. And there was a buddy of mine who was a digital effects artist, and his entire job for like two months was digitally removing the acne scars from a certain famous actress's face. That's awesome. And I was like, wow, really? He's like, yeah, that's what I do. And I'm like, that, that kind of shit happens all over the, all over the business. And then we're like, she's perfect. Yeah. I will go on record to say, I don't feel that it's necessary. I like when I see human people on camera. I think it's nervous executives, but anyway. Okay, eliminate one of these performances. Ids of March, Hail Mary, Blade Runner, Lars and the Real Girl, Fall Guy, Drive, the Nice Guys, Barbie, the Notebook, the Big Short, La La Land. The Notebook. No. Wait, wait, wait, can I say that if we're gonna, what's going on with this fucking hair brain list? What are the ones that are indented, the ones that are indented? This is disor- These are possible top tens. That's why I flagged those. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we have 11. We flagged 11. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11. Got it. I mean, man, for me, it's probably the Notebook. Like he's so good in the Notebook. He's great in all of these. But is the Notebook a movie that we all absolutely adore and we're boosting his performance or is it one of his best performances? I think it's the former. My only case against Big Short is that similar to Crazy Stupid Love, it's a little too much of an ensemble cast for me. I hear that. So I also will say, we just watched that recently, he is the star of that movie. And I always forget about it. Yeah. Like you, he- Really? Is it Christian Bale in that film? Yeah, no, but dude, like he narrates the entire movie. Like you kind of forget that he is the main character. No, I know. But Bale's performance. I could- Bale's performance is probably- I guess I could lose Iides of March, I love that movie. Let's lose Iides of March. I'm glad it got mentioned. Let's remove it. That's fine. Okay. This is gonna take way too long. Well, no, watch this. Number 10, you want the Notebook because- My pick would be the Notebook. Yeah. Okay, so for again, those listening, we've in here, we've got La La Land, the Big Short, the Notebook, Barbie, the Nice Guys, Drive, Fall Guy, Lars and the Real Girl and Blade Runner 2049. Project Hail Mary and that's it. My, again, my problem with Big Short and it's a great movie is that it's almost like a, it was so topical when it came out. It feels like it's almost like a, you know when like movies, they talk about something historical that just happened and then it feels like it's kind of like dusted? Can I give you some homework? Yeah. When was the last time you watched that movie? When it came out. Dude, I'm begging you, watch it again and you're going to text me immediately and go, holy shit, I forgot how fucking good this is. You know what, I'm actually kind of upset because this is, I went to this movie, I used to work at the Arclight, the Rest in Peace. Hell yeah. And but when I- Which one, like the Dome? Well, so I worked at the Dome, then I transferred to the one in Pasadena because I lived closer. Then I ghosted and quit the job because I got another job, but I kept my badge. So I would go to the Arclight in Hollywood, show my badge and get into free movies and like- You? For four years I did this. You killed the Dome. I just, single handed. Why did you stop? What happened? Well, I'll explain. I went to see the Big Short, I left the theater and I left my fucking badge there somewhere. Are you a fucking idiot dude? So that movie, yeah, that movie destroyed my free movie. God damn it, Ethel. So maybe that's why I don't like the Big Short. Dude, that is unacceptable. Unacceptable. Sorry Arclight, Decurian Corporation. Okay, I'm going to stand by, my pick is the notebook. Are you guys saying that the Big Short is next? Or do you think La La Land maybe? La La Land maybe. Why did you say it? La La Land? Only because of the not talking. I mean, I'm with you. I love Drive. Do you think- Do you think Drive's like one though? Do you have Drive like- No, I don't think Drive is one, but I would put Drive top three. Okay, okay. His performances? This movie, let me tell you- I think you love the movie. I do love the movie, but I will tell you this. Before Drive, I always kind of side eyed Gosling and I was, because I wasn't that aware. Sure. But I was a young man and I was also, he was a Disney kid and I was always kind of like, he's a little bitch, you know? Kind of like this guy's my little bitch. But then I saw Drive and I'm like, he's not a little bitch, he's awesome. I think he might be my favorite guy. Okay, so we're going notebook 10. In general, I'm not talking actor. I think just drive. Big Short nine. I think he might be my favorite guy. And then La La Land eight, or maybe La La Land nine. I put La La, I'm fine with La La Land is eight. Big Short nine, La La Land eight. And then maybe Lars. Do we all have to agree? Yeah. How are we ever gonna agree when Drive is three? Well, because we're gonna meet in the middle somewhere. Let's put Drive at five. I'm gonna give you a handshake and slit your wrist with a straight razor. That's fair. Drive is five, boom. Okay, Drive five. I'll live with Drive is five. So we need seven and six. Yep. I would say maybe Lars. Lars, maybe Blade Runner too. I actually don't think his performance is like, I think the other ones are more gaust. I'd put six on, I'd put seven Blade Runner. Me too. Me too, seven Blade Runner. Seven Blade Runner. Six Lars and the real girl. Five Drive. And now we have Barbie, the nice guys, Hail Mary and Fall Guy. I'm gonna go Fall Guy next. Ev? Actually, I would probably, personally I would go Barbie next. Oh, okay. No, no, I'm sorry. Barbie is one or two guys. Okay, okay, so let's go for it. He revolutionized. Fall Guy four. It's tough to be the white guy when you say that Ken was the best part of Barbie. It is, he wasn't the best. But he's close. It's pretty close. Look, I completely agree with what you just said, but it is undeniable how good he was in that. Oh dude, he is literally showstopping. It's unbelievable. This is a common thing with movies. Usually the lead character is not always the most enjoyable person. It's the side characters that get the most fun. So that just happened to be the way it broke down. Okay, let's go. Okay, so we have top three is Barbie, nice guys, Hail Mary, what order do you want? Is nice guys or Fall Guy better? Ooh, I like, ah man, tough one. Both of them. He's so, I'm gonna say, I like where we're at. Fall Guy four, this is what I would do. I would personally go Fall Guy four. I would go Barbie three, the nice guys two, Hail Mary one. But we can only go two. We gotta meet at two in the middle on Barbie. And I'm happy to go Barbie two. Yeah. Okay. So let's go the nice guys three. Is Hail Mary one? Unbelievable showing by the nice guys. Agree, I thought we were gonna go nice guys one. It's really good. I could go nice guys one. No, I genuinely, Get smell. 100% recency bias. And I just went on this whole diatribe about how I think people are over. I think that this is objectively Ryan Gosling's best role. Can you live with Hail Mary one? I will say with the caveat that this is very much happening today. After them, like you said, I think time will tell whether this, Hail Mary becomes like a seminal part of his oeuvre. I do think that it is a great return to form because as I said, I think Fall Guy didn't do well because we were a little bit like, we've had enough. Like Ken was great. We need a break. Yep. Okay. And so yeah. I'm with you. I actually agree with that. So we go, Ryan Gosling's 10 best roles of all time, according to us and what will you agree on? This is Ken. The notebook 10, the big short nine, La La Land 8, Blade Runner 2049, 7, Lars and the Real Girl 6, Drive 5, Fall Guy 4, the nice guys three, Barbie 2, Hail Mary 1, bang. All this to say, I know there's gonna be a lot of people who love movies like Half Nelson and Blue Valentine. And so do I. This is all in the context of us saying, this type of role is his wheelhouse. Which I can't believe crazy too much. And credit to Drive and Blade Runner for sneaking in the top 10 because they're so good. Well, and I'll say, I'll make an appeal, Ryan, if you're watching, we'd love to have you on the show. He's a Canadian boy. We know you're Canadian, you probably like Hogg. He just went on fucking, fuck, the new heights. Which I love, love those boys, love your show. Love you guys, love your show. But we're the hockey show. Yep. We're the hockey show in Hollywood. Yep. We have mutual interests. Absolutely. Ryan, get your ass on here. It'll be great. Why not? Okay, let's close this shit out with a nice game of connective tissue. I have the game. For those who don't know, this is a game where we connect two players' names. We once did Brandon, Carl Logan, Couture. You can see other names connect. I'm gonna give the bio of two players and see if Chris can get it. Chris, for are you ready? Yes. Here is our, I literally forget who I have. But hopefully I'll get it with the, I didn't write it down. But I think I'm gonna know it. No, I know it. Ready? Yeah. Our connective tissue. A Massachusetts, let me try that again. A Massachusetts native who stayed local and became an all hockey East player with the BCE Eagles and then rolled to success into his professional career, winning a gold medal. He would then, yeah, yeah, thank you. He would then go on to be traded from the flames to the Toronto Maple Leafs where he would be named 18th captain in team history just before marrying a lovely Hollywood actress. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. So again, while Chris thinks, here's our connective tissue. A Massachusetts, I'm having trouble with that. Yeah, you are. Massachusetts native who stayed local and became all hockey East with the BCE Eagles and then rolled his success in his professional career, winning a gold medal. He then would go on to be traded from the flames to the Toronto Maple Leafs where he would be named 18th captain in team history just before marrying a lovely Hollywood actress. Okay, I'm trying to think who played on BC that won a gold medal. And did you say Olympic gold medal or that's up for me to decide? It is an Olympic gold medal. Okay. So who went to BC on that team? Okay, I'm just trying to think of the lines. This was a really easy one, but a really fun one. Oh, I think I got it. Well, I think the second one is Dion Finouff. Okay. And who was the BC kid on that team? This is embarrassing for me. I think it all the BU boys. That's what's rattling. Oh, Boldy. Well, he's not the only one. But that's right, right? Matt Boldy on Finouff. Good job. Matt Boldy on Finouff. That's great. That's a great one, dad. That is good stuff. Well done. One of your quickest ones. Yeah. Well, only because I got Dion and then you give me good hits. Yeah. You know, because I was like, once I was shrunk to the USA team pool, I was like, okay, beautiful stuff, beautiful episode. I was like, okay, beautiful stuff, beautiful episode. Huge thank you to Alec Martinez. He will be on very, very soon. Folks, we love you. 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