Alien Mummies Or Ancient Humans Butchered And Sold By Grave-Robbing Conmen?

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These are butchered beings and I will go further and say that I believe they were butchered in modern times. Once I understood that I was looking at a human being and once I understood that somebody was desecrating these remains to achieve a narrative. I that's why I decided to do this is because this is really gross and it's Ghoulish. It's yeah, it's it's an evil behavior and it's something that we shouldn't prop up. This is weaponized. This is weaponized. I'm George Napier in Las Vegas joined by my friend and colleague Jeremy Corbell Jeremy, how you doing? I'm good man. Good to see you. So I was going to be goofing off this week. My my slave master Jeremy who crack in the whip and told me that we're going to take a couple of days off. But that didn't last that lasted about 24 hours and and here we are going to dive into a topic that we've considered for a long time. It sort of had a variety of reasons to avoid you know Jeremy. I don't know about you but I have a bucket list mental list of places. I'd like to visit before I kick that useful utensil and Peru is right up there top five maybe top three places I'd like to go. But I'm so burnt out on travel. I've managed to avoid actually getting there and then when the story about these mummies these alien mummies popped up. I thought, hmm, maybe I finally have a good reason to go ahead and plop down from toe by a ticket and trek on down there. But the reality is this topic is sort of way out of our comfort zone. And I always figured somebody else could figure this out. I have no knowledge of this. I couldn't even pretend to understand some of the terms medical terms being kicked around. So figured we'd leave it to somebody else. We have a mutual friend. I'm not going to name him now, but he's deeply involved in the subject and has told us he thinks it was real and he's chronicled all the evidence back and forth about the legitimacy of the mummies. Well, you know, maybe one of these days we have to dive in and I suppose that day has now arrived. Yeah, this is a topic that I didn't want to wait into. You know, we didn't over all these years. I figured that there are people that were more enthusiastic and better suited to jump into this. And I also I had a bias about this with the alleged alien mummies in 2016. I was approached by a company who wanted me to throw down and be the face of this stuff and help bring it to the world. And it just seemed too bizarre. And it honestly felt like a hoax. And I was like, no way. So just for our audience, the story that I'm aware of and I could be completely wrong because we, you know, this is not something we've covered. But it is my understanding that there are like many confirmed fabrications of these like alien dolls that are a mixture of human and animal bones. But the big ones, the ones they call like Maria and Montserrat, the those do not show signs of being faked or manipulated. So the idea is, okay, there might be a bunch of noise and a bunch of like crazy things, but we really need to look at these like bigger mummies. Look, these were shown in Congress in Mexico. These were all over the news. And the whole time just something didn't sit right with me, but this is not my expertise. But then my friend Jesse Michael is from American Alchemy. He did this excellent deep dive into the case. And it really it puzzled me when he laid it all out and it inspired me to want to hear more about, you know, this issue. It was an amazing documentary that Jesse Michaels made. So his investigation made me kind of less dismissive, which was a heavy lift at the time. And what he did kind of is elevate the conversation asking for more professional analysis. And that's kind of the last I heard about it was that we might find out that these mummies are eligible for a proper ancient DNA analysis. And that is really exciting. No stone unturned, dive deep into it and uncover what's going on. Let's get to brass tax here. But yesterday I saw a message in my inbox and then I watched this YouTube video and I was totally captured by the rational and specific analysis that this guy who I'd never met. But I had one message from him a long time ago will from a YouTube channel called incredible history. So how I understand it is this guy will is good faith actor. He wanted to know if these mummies represented a new or non human species. I saw a video of him he was in Peru at that the infamous press conference George, you know, where the government officials stormed in and tried to confiscate the mummies. So will was entrenched. I recognize his face is being entrenched in this mummy thing for quite some time. And with him he brought on a guy named Dr. Dan Proctor who I've never heard of, but I understand he's a PhD in biological anthropology and his specialty is the functional evolution specifically of hands and feet. And they're looking at the details of this. They also brought a woman named Shelley who I understand is an expert radio auger for and she might have decades of experience, but it was just somebody that none of these people seem like they were out to debunk anything. And they just ran across some inconvenient facts about the two specifically I think two beings or bodies that everybody's like well, we need to look into these and they did. So kind of to conclude this is what I took away from that YouTube video is that will and his team that their conclusion is that these quote unquote alien mummies are complete and total hoax. We've all had our curiosity kind of hijacked. We've been intentionally deceived by the mummy creators that these mummies are like a modern day Frankenstein scam. And I don't know, but I am interested to hear and I hope collectively in this show today that we're going to learn something new. So we know further ado, George and I eager to hear the experiences and analysis of will and the people that he's brought together about these alleged alien mummy beings. And we want to find out is there, you know, substance to this or is this just like a hoax that's been perpetrated on like eager optimists willing to search for the truth. So welcome to weaponized will doctor Dan and Shelley. Thank you. Thank you Jeremy. Thank you George to be here. Well, can you start it off? You went down there, were you thinking you were planning on debunking the whole thing or you're just interested? You would you would be covering it for your incredible history channel. Regardless of how the dominoes fall, right? No, sir, I was not going down there to debunk them. So I've had a former history teacher. I just stopped teaching last year actually to do this YouTube thankful time. But I was teaching online for the last three years of my career history and economics and I put a VPN on and go travel around. I'm a person that likes strange oddities. George, I read your book or listen to your book on audio book hunt for the skin walker as I was driving through Utah. I've interviewed Ronnie Johnson from Delphis, Kansas from the 1971 Delta's Tans is incident correctly circle. And so you know, I've had a history of just being curious about stuff like this and open minded. And so I wanted to go down I was in Columbia and Peru was next and actually two years ago, maybe not to the day, but getting close. I landed in Peru and like as I was landing, I can't remember the exact timeline. But basically when I got there is when those airport dolls came out and keep in mind, let me just rewind a little bit. But September, 2023 was when the Mexican Congress presentation happened. And I was open minded. I'm a believer in this stuff. Well, you know, that something is that we're not aware of something much larger going on here. I don't know how much of it I believe, but I know I listen to your podcast quite a bit. And so I immediately saw that the media was calling these dismissing everything as animal bones, which was true about the dolls and the airport. But I've known about Maria, you know, there'd be little blips on the internet since 2016. Maria is the one with provenance, the one that has like a nine year head start on all these other ones we're seeing now, right, which I believe is an important point that I'll make later. And so I knew right away I go, whoa, that's not animal bones. I know that if that's a fake, it's a human being, right. So I was curious, you know, no one was kind of looking into that specifically, just wave the magic wand. This is not real. I got hooked up with some proponents down there and went down to Ica, started talking to people would interview people that were involved in the early days of like the inquiry institute. And went on like a little petroglyph hunt where I found these three fingered beans, you know, and I'm documented all this all of a sudden I interviewed high meat, most mouse on. And Joe is Montia journalists down there and Peru that was covering these. Pretty soon I got to talk to some of the Ica University medical staff that was basically taking Maria in at the time and some of these other ones that had done some work with these. And they quickly started telling me some interesting things about like how there was osteo integration and some of the small ones. And I'll send you some pictures so you can see that on the screen some of those examples. And so for people that don't know what osteo integration is, it's a term that's used in dentistry quite a bit where you see cellular fusion between, you know, a metallic implant and the tissue. So this is a doctor telling me that. Well, I guess I should say a dentist telling me that they also had his medical license and some type of practice. And blew my mind. I was pretty sure the little ones weren't real, but like that blew my mind. Can I interrupt your just can I interrupt a second just to help our listeners who are not familiar with all the intricacies, the airport mummies. They were discredited as being made from animal bones. Who brought those forward? Are they related to the same people who found these other ones? So the other thing that I was willing to dismiss the airport dolls was the person that admitted to making those was not the original Wacaro or we'll call them like a grey robber that found Maria. That was another reason I was like, OK, well, that's another person and I'm glad you asked that George because we're going to get to that's in the moment when I talk about why I got skeptical. But basically the osteo integration thing kind of if that was true, that would say, well, this being had to be alive when this was implanted, you know, you can't osteo integrate when you're dead. So, you know, but that's never been peer reviewed by the way. And I just want to make that clear, but you know, this is blowing my mind. So also they had these 3D scans and I'm just a his former history teacher. My knowledge on anatomy is right there with any other person that's not an expert in that right. But you know, they say where the try to find signs of manipulation. And sure enough, I couldn't find any Michelle will tell you a little bit about 3D rendering with some of these scans here a little bit. So how do I start getting skeptical is that what you'd like to kind of sort of know all of sudden we started hearing about mummies in Mexico and mummies in Peru and I was having a hard time keeping up with it. And I'm just wondering if this they all came supposedly came from the same place and how the airport mummies are big were exposed as fake. Exactly. So I make this low budget documentary with my iPhone down there with all the interviews I did all the little adventures I went on and then I was also at the NASCA mummies press conference that got rated by the, you know, they were looking for the bodies. And at that press conference, the other thing that kind of blew my mind was they announced that Montserrat was just had a fetus inside of there. And so that was mind blowing as well. But shortly after I published the documentary called Show Me the Mummies. I thought I was being funny with that turns out that's not a great way to get views. There was like no SEO. But I published that and shortly after that I found out about the Roswell slides incident and I don't know George and Jeremy if you remember that. But basically if you don't know what the Roswell slides is, I'd like to encourage you all to go look that up. And what it was was a there was a group down in Mexico. And the same group, including some of the doctors that are involved with promoting these mummies were involved in kind of pushing this new disclosure of a photo of an alien body that actually ended up being a desiccated remains of the Native American child. And I was proven there was a whole debacle with it. And I think people just kind of moved on from it a little bit, but kind of a dark day in the UFO world. Right. So I remember that it was like this alleged image of like a Roswell body and people just used AI sharpening techniques and they found that there was a little placard underneath it. And it was like a known so yeah, that was a really dark day in the UFO thing when it comes to bodies and beings. And like you said that comes from like the same group of people. And that already puts you on a little bit of guard about this, but you seem like a really open individual you went down there. None of you, which we'll learn in a second, are trying to just debunk all of the UFO thing. You just came across an inconvenient facts. So you've got that in your mind. Continue your story. Yes. And so I find that out maybe shortly, maybe the day I published that. And you can go still see the pin comment in my show me the mummy's documentary, which by the way is just me kind of telling the timeline of events. I don't give an opinion either way. I'm telling you what's weird telling you some of the stories of skepticism. But I put a pin comment. Hey, you all should know about the Roswell slides and characters involved here, including one of the main doctors that they are pushing with this. And people make mistakes, you know, you know, I'm willing to still hear the person out. So proponents also start. Here's kind of how I got cast out of my spell or broke the spell. I start hearing them really pushing points like carbon dating. Well, the carbon dating shows that these are thousands of years old. How do you explain all that? I'm like, I don't think anyone's question. That might be the one thing that's correct here. I, if these are fake, I think they're ancient people that are being dug up and butchered. And then I would hear stuff from like the proponents or even I believe even doctors saying, well, there was no evidence of scarring. I'm pretty sure you got to be alive to have scarring. That's a healing process. So I'm hearing stuff like this. And I'm like, okay, maybe I should start being more skeptical. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. I'm not going to be able to call it a miracle. Yeah, I'm not a human audience. Yeah. And I he immediately explained in a way that he could see on this just the scans that they pat out there manipulation on Maria's hand in particular something called the trapezium was still there, which is an articulate articulate surface that your metacarpal one bottom your thumb bone should attach to and he just simply asked why should that still be there and I actually and actually I'll share my screen here. I want to kind of want to show you this real quick. Let me see if I can find this real quick. Yeah. And so that made sense to my mind. I immediately was wondering what that was about. And he explained it in a way where he kind of asked the question, why would you evolve a trapezium if you didn't have anything there. Oh, by the way, the metacarpal one, the MC one, it's not necessarily missing. It's right in the central digit in the second philange. And so then I go, well, how does he know that like I don't like don't the flanges all look the same and it turns out and Dan will talk more Dr. Proctor talk more about this. The first metacarpal has a V taper that the rest of the metacarpals don't have and that's for all that all that Dr. Proctor talk about that. So now my spell is like really starting to break. And I am. So I start going down the rabbit hole. I'm sure you all are familiar with Steve Mara. And Steve Mara has a YouTube channel and at that time he had just posted a video of maybe a few months before that shout out to Steve Mara. I did include some of your shots in the documentary. I hope that's okay. I try to get ahold of you, but I couldn't and I hope this message amplifies your video. But Steve Mara has a 42 minute video where he just gives a spill all on his entire experience down there, which included what he claims is Wakero whistleblowers saying that two taxidermists were used for the big ones and that they were still making them. And that's Maria was listed on the black market for a million dollars. Steve received death threats. There was a lot of rumors of other crimes happening revolving around these mums. And then he also just shows you some really good visuals on why a lot of this is fake as well and just what he discovered so I want everybody to go check that out. So now fast forward to August of actually I think it was the summer of 2025. I receive a photo from an anonymous source right I come across a photo of what the Wakero responsible supposedly of finding Maria with this giant head. That is fake as the day is long. And they even have a scan of and I was told at the time you know please like you know you can't reveal that they're going to reveal it. I promise they're going to reveal it and you can talk about it. So I did I held my promise there. And as soon as it came out recently I made a video in December December 15th about this problem. There is a scan of it. It's clearly fake the proponents admit its fake. I also was aware at this time of the little mummy wawita which is a little mummy that I believe was butchered by these people. They also admit that that one has been manipulated everyone admits that and the whole thing people say is well that's all noise you know of course they're going to manipulate more to make money if there's actually some real ones. And I just disagree with that to me it was signal and I'm kind of rambling on a little bit I want to give time to a proctor and Michelle but basically just recently within the last couple weeks. I put that video on and it kicked the hornets nest I put a small video on about the giant heads. One of which another one of which is just so fake. There's another one and I got the person who released that image to admit to me. Yep this was also made by that same walk arrow the one that was responsible for this is the one that looks like an alien face made out of plaster of Paris or something. Correct you want me to I can show it to you right now and and so let's see here. Yeah and let's just back back up one one second so basically you went in there with good intention trying to understand what's going on like all of you none of you are you know skeptic in the way of just trying to debunk stuff you all have interest in this subject you're you genuinely as a good actor going out there trying to figure it out. I think where the world is kind of going to understand this is you know there has been a lot of controversy obviously there's a lot of fakes right but what the argument is is despite all the fakes these two kind of bigger mummies that we should investigate them with DNA and also just looking at how they're made if they're not fabricated they even though all the fakes like the winged demon little you know bodies they found. This stuff drove listed for twenty thousand dollars by the way yeah so it just drove me crazy you know it's super messy even Mike my friend Jesse said that he goes looking into this was super messy there's so many fakes what we're looking at today is have you guys found that on these ones that they say are authentic are their specific signs of manipulation that should make us distrust the you know the argument that these are natural beings and so now you're showing an image yeah crazy image of like you know. It's started to interrupt you Jeremy but yeah when you said the one with the wings I just had to tell you the price of that one and I'll tell you how I know that later way. So yes and so I make this video about that giant head and the the other one that'll probably be on screen with your editor and kicks the hornets nest and all of a sudden a doctor proctor who I've been trying to get on to talk with me on camera since what April to maybe May 2000. isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation isolation was ready to see him. And I think it was like within 30 minutes, you had posted a video like, this is where the amputation happened. This is where, you know, the metacarpal is not connected to the articular service here. And basically somehow, I can't even remember now, but somehow we got together Dr. Prokker, myself, Michelle, and Dr. Joseph Wilson, who did a great job of explaining what some of this 30% unknown DNA might mean, which is just, you know, there's, there's, we can get into that as well. Dr. Prokker might be able to help me with that, but basically contamination. And we made this video, and I feel like I've been talking a lot, and I think we need to bring it to the two MVP's here, because what they showed in the video, to me, was a slam dunk, and it gave me the courage to finally say what I think is going on, and that is that these are butchered beans, and I will go further and say that, I believe they were butchered in modern times. So, so Dr. Prokker, jump in, when you looked at whatever data was available and posted online, what jumped out at you? How did you know that this thing was a fake? Where to begin? So my, the thing is my, in anthropology, the mummy trade is nothing new. You know, we're aware of that. Claims of aliens from Peru or not new, that, you know, people have looked at the cranial modification from ancient cultures for a long time and make claims. So I was already, you know, coming into it with virtually zero expectation that this would be real, but my research area focuses on the feet and hands, so, and that's where a lot of the central claims are is in the feet and hands. So as soon as I look, I can tell immediately, it's not real, that it's been fabricated, and I'll share some of my observations with you here too. But it's also important for me to mention that I'm not, like you've mentioned, I'm not in the habit of debunking things. I, you know, I follow both of you. I've watched like a lot of other people, the hearings, you know, the exceptional test money from people like David Groesch, who I find compelling. You know, and so I believe there are biologics out there most likely, but these are definitely not those biologics. So, you know, I guess where we can start is, you know, do you want me to go through some of the specimens I've talked about on Will's channel or I also have Paloma here too? Sure. Yeah. I think just tell us why, like you think that, you know, these objects are fabricated and, and, you know, obviously they're biological beings. That's what took people really to the side. Oh, no one's arguing. These are probably ancient people that were just like, dug up a grave rob, but you're trying to say that they're manipulated and you have evidence. And I'd love to see that evidence of the manipulation. All right. Well, if you'll, can you see this? I'll write. Yes, sir. Okay. Can you see my cursor? Yep. Yes. Okay. All right. So just bear with me. There's just a couple things so that you kind of know what I'm talking about. I just have an image here of a foot in the hand. And these, these basic three regions of the foot in the hand, the flanges and in the foot metatarsals and tarsals. In the hand, they're the flanges metacarpals and carpals. Now, one of the things I'm just going to give you kind of front load you a little bit so you can understand what I'm saying. One of the things I want you to notice is in the hand where I'm indicating right now, these first flanges that come off of the metacarpals, you notice that they're very different from the ones that come off of the metatarsals, right? The hand ones are longer. The foot ones are not only shorter, but the shafts are thinner. So that's going to be important here in a minute. The other thing is where I'm pointing right now on the hand, that's what's called the first metacarpal for your thumb. And that has a very distinct shape. And you can see how the shape of that is very different than these flanges on the hand. And are you following along so far? Okay. Yes. Okay. All right. So this area here's the palm. Now where that trapezium is will mention a few minutes ago, that's really important because that's the joint surface that lets your thumb function basically. And when I saw that, it immediately was a red flag because normally you don't have joint surfaces that don't have a matching bone to articulate with, right? And the skeleton changes through life. So let's say you were born without a thumb or something, but you still had this hand, that wouldn't be a normal looking joint. It, you know, the joint is going to kind of atrophy if it's not being used. And you can see that there's a kind of a pocket there that would articulate with the thumb. So that was one of the major clues is that there used to be a thumb here, but it's just not present anymore. This little illustration is just showing there's a wide range of motion at this joint. And it's a very distinct, distinct structure. And just stop me if you have any questions. Can you tell if it's been cut from this image or you're not really? It's not, I can't really tell. It's not a very good resolution of an image to see cut marks, at least I haven't. But you're saying, you know, as a evolutionary biologist or whatever, you know that there is a joint there that would have had a thumb because it atrophies over time if you don't use it or it wouldn't be there if they weren't born with it. Yeah, it wouldn't, it both is, both I think. It just wouldn't be there. You know, if you didn't use it, it wouldn't be there. It wouldn't look like that. So, you know, so that would have had to have been removed after it had already been a functional joint as I guess the main point there. Right. So, and then, okay, so that's kind of one of the main issues with on that side of the hand. Another thing that I think is a dead giveaway is that this yellow arrow is pointing to what we would call the second phallange of the central digit. And I could tell immediately that shape is unique. It's not, it doesn't match like other phallangees or even other metacarpals in the hand. That's actually the metacarpal, the main bone that goes with the thumb. And I isolated it over here to kind of show you next to a human one and they're both, of course, human. And one of the diagnostic shapes here is that there's a V shape at the bottom and that goes along with this trapezium that I pointed out, it fits right in there and it allows this range of motion. So that's one of, and then also it's kind of a, you know, chubby, fat little bone that looks different from other phallangees. So it's very distinct shape. So, and now the other important thing is this joint surface is meant to be, to having a wide range of motion. Normally in this position, you would see of hinge joint that's only really allowing a flexion and extension kind of motion. So it doesn't even make sense for it to be there. The shapes don't even match. The each side of the joint doesn't match. Right, so there's a little bit of like V shaped space in the top and bottom of that image because you're saying normally that joint would be rotating and in the other fingers, you see that it's just for flexing and pulling and, right. So you're seeing a different bone put in there. So what they took the thumb bone and they put it in the middle of the hand. Yeah, yeah. And it's either her thumb bone or some other thumb bone, but, you know, from another body, but yeah, that's a human thumb bone sitting right there. It's very efficient. It's efficient by whoever did this, I guess. They didn't just throw it away when they cut it off. They may use it. Well, you're gonna see some more of that actually. Some, nothing left to waste. Yeah, just briefly one other point that I wanna make and I think Michelle will probably, we'll touch on this maybe, but it's not just that the wrong bones are rearranged. It's also that the joints are often left disarticulated. This is an X-ray on the left of Maria's foot from the bottom side. And I just have arrows pointing at these gaps. This gap here on the right would correspond over here to the big toe. And you can see that the gap between this bone for the big toe and this tarsal bone is very small. But over here, it's very large. And this isn't a joint that would make contact. You wouldn't be able to even operate this foot. There'd be nothing for it to work on. And it's not even, and you can see from the picture, it's not even the right bone anyway. You could probably tell this bone here is much skinnier. Yeah, I read online against that. I read online somebody posted that the white and black, what we're seeing here, that it's not properly exposed, that if you exposed it more to see the white like you see on the right side, that it would be closer to that joint. Is that incorrect? Well, it's definitely a poor image. But where I'm showing the cursor right there, that is about the edge of that bone. So that is a real gap. This bone, I'm just familiar with the shape of metatarsals. Like, for example, if I look over here, where you see my cursor, this area here is the equivalent right here. So it doesn't, it wouldn't flare out any further than that. You would expect the next time we see a photo of that foot from the people who are selling this merchandise, it'll be an improved version of it that looks more like what you're describing is real. Yeah, and I think, you know, Michelle can talk more about this, but she actually found a large gap too from a different kind of image that supports what I'm saying here. Real quick, Dr. Proctor, will you tell everyone where you got the image? Let's see, I think, so they had a bunch of images available in a download, and this one was actually one that was just like up on a wall, and I had to kind of like zoom in and get an image pulled from it because they don't really do a good job of sharing high quality images. And in fact, you have to make special requests, and in some cases sign NDAs to even get a hold of them. Are you serious? They seem like they were so open and they're posting everything, and that's what they're portraying is that they're posting all the scans, it's all open source, you have to sign an NDA to look at certain scans of theirs. In some cases for some people, yeah, that's much my understanding. Weird. Now they have, they have released a lot more recently, yeah, but there was a time where it was like, yeah, you had to sign up basically to go look at these things. Yeah. Okay, so if you can bear with me, if you wanna hear a couple more, I've got a couple more for you. Yeah. So this is Montserrat, the left foot, and this is a little different kind of image, but this here, I just wanna highlight a couple of things. One again, there's large gaps between the bones. This is really poorly articulated. This would not be a functional bone or a functional foot. It wouldn't be able to move properly. And the other thing is the joints don't even line up. They're just kinda placed, they're kinda spread out to give the foot a natural width, I think, but they don't really match up right to the joint surfaces. Normally there'd be five metatarsals here, and there's only three, but all of the joints for the original five are still present, and that's what are labeled with these letters. That's really obvious, and that's from one of the bigger alien, alleged alien mommies. Yeah, yeah. Montserrat's are another ones that are modified from a human. Dan, is you, Montserrat's the one that has the fetus. Dan, you mentioned, I think, in other conversations that not only are there some pretty obvious glaring problems with the individuals, but they don't match up, that if they're from the same species, they're really quite different. Yeah, that's right, and I'll show you that next. That's a good, that's a good, a good segue here. So here's Montserrat's right hand in comparison to Maria's. Now, I already pointed out how Maria has a first metacarpal for the thumb sitting here. The equivalent bone over here for Montserrat looks totally different. You can probably kinda see that, it's longer in thinner, right? Yeah. And the other thing that's pretty glaring about this is that Montserrat has three philanges for each digit, and Maria has four. Now, so they didn't even use the same number of bones to put the hands together, not the same number, not the same type. And then the last one I'll show you, which there's a lot going on on this slide, so I'll kinda walk you through, but this one I haven't shown before publicly. This is Paloma, and this is showing Paloma's left foot and right foot, and again, Paloma was released, I think in 2024, and it's another of the larger mummies. And so there's a reference here for the human in the hand, right? Now, if we look at the left foot and the right foot, now, and I don't know if these are scaled correctly. So the size difference may be just an artifact of the images here, but this yellow arrow that I'm indicating, that's pointing at another thumb bone that I've already showed you before on Maria. So this is that same type of bone, and this is the outer digit, I guess, you would call it. And notice that it doesn't look the same shape as the equivalent ones next to it. And I think maybe you can tell that it looks fatter, the head of it, we call that the head, it's fatter. And then if we kinda zoom in a little bit and flip it over, so right next to it, I've got it isolated, and you're looking at it from the underside instead of the top, where these white arrows are pointing, those darkened areas are where there would be two small oval-shaped bones that are involved in helping flexion of the thumb. So that's another giveaway that this is a metacarpal for the thumb, and not a proper philange. Because like ten nins would go on those nubs of the bone. Through health, right? Yeah, right. And so the red arrows, these are philanges. And the philanges here, if you may be able to notice, they're kinda similar in shape to the ones over here on our reference hand. And that's because they come from a hand. So the metacarpal came from the hand. These two philanges are the same philanges that go over here on a hand. But they're a lot longer than the philanges on the toes. And they're very obviously a different size and shape. I think you can tell from the photos. Now, so that's the left foot. Now, the right foot is totally different. The ones that, so this yellow arrow, the bones that those are pointing at, those are in the equivalent position as these flanges of metacarpal over here. But these are hand bones that are metacarpals. They're just straight up metacarpals that they've butted up against the metatarsals. And I don't know if you can tell, but right here at the base, it's a lot thinner. And then as you move over to the head, it's wider. And that's a very distinct shape that you would see over here on the hand for the metacarpals. So we have a lot of things going on with Paloma. They didn't try to match the types between even the same foot or the feet on the same specimen. Where they put a thumb bone in one of the feet. And then they have finger bones in the other part of the feet or yeah. Yeah. They're all hand bones, but yeah, the finger bones on the other part of the same foot and then the central hand bones in the foot on the right foot. Yeah. And what traditionally happens in these kind of anthropological frauds, I guess mummies are a big business. I didn't know that. Yeah. Is that they'll listen to people like you who point out the obvious errors and impossibilities. And then they'll get better at it. They'll put out better fakes after they hear from critics like you. Yeah. And they could get better at arranging the bones. But I think as Michelle will tell you, there's other clues that can let you know that they've been manipulated. That it's not only the skeleton. There's also soft tissue to talk about. Yeah. So Michelle, I would love to hear your perspective. I know you're an experiencer. You came into this UFO world just really wanting to kind of understand and connect with people on this because of your own experiences. But all of a sudden you get these inconvenient truths. So what is your background in history with radiography and what did you see jumping into this? So I had applied probably six or 10 months ago to get access to the images. And when I saw the post on exit, hey, I'm putting out more images. Would you like to look, I jumped at the opportunity because they'd been on my radar for a while. So I was really excited to see below the 3D rendering because that seems to be most of what they present. So in CT, when we scan you, it basically cuts the body up like a loaf of bread. And we can control how thick and thin we make those slices. The thicker the slices, we don't really get great detail. The thinner the slices, though, as thin as you can go, looking at the scanner they use for these like 0.4 millimeters is how small we can go. That's where you build your best 3D renderings from. You want those nice thin slices. So they're great to look at. They're fun to the eye. But I started to get suspicious after a few months of just seeing videos of these 3D renderings. I'm like, why are they showing us like those actual slices that we see when we roll through? And then we can also, because we scan in a volume, we're able to post process that volume into multi-plainer reformations. So basically what that allows us to do is zoom through the body from left to right, front to back, top down and kind of get a look at it and spin that volume of data so that we can look at it from other directions. Once I loaded it on a viewer, I've done probably millions, looked at millions of images over my career, treated all kinds of trauma, all kinds of chronic movies, cancer, all kinds of surgery. So your eye gets used to seeing like human beings, like you're trained to look for these things. A lot of times CT texts, especially in the facility where I work, it's very small. We're the intermediary where we're the first ones laying eyes on these scans. So it's up to us if we catch something like threatening to reach out to the radiologist and go, hey, this person's got a PE or this person has an abscess or a hot appendix like we need to elevate this and get a stat read so we can get them in front of somebody. So it was very in your face. The feet, our feet have muscles and fascia on the bottom that allow that, you know, contracture of the foot and allow you to curl your toes and all of that stuff. And as I'm scrolling through the feet, it basically, you can see that sharp cut across the tissues that tells me that something's been cut away. And it was apparent on more than one image for me. Will, could you show them the normal foot? Just what that looks like. He has an image of an MRI. That's a sagittal plane. So that would be looking at the body from like left to right or side to side. So you're looking into the foot from the side of the foot. And then Will has an image of the normal soft tissues. They usually taper. So you'll have a definitive insertion on each end. Otherwise, it's just a cut rubber band. Your foot won't function. So, this ignored the text because there's a different point that can also be made on this image. But does that help Michelle? Yes. So that image on the right, that's an MRI, sagittal view. And you can see, yep, if you'll point Will, those bands across the bottom of the foot, that's how your fascia should look. Right. You should have that nice taper from one end to the other. You shouldn't see any clean lines straight across. That jumped out to me immediately. And then once I started looking at the bones, it was, I basically saw the same thing that Dr. Proctor was seeing. They didn't make any sense. There were bones in the wrong place. There were some bones I wasn't sure if they were from the hands or the feet. The cortical thickness, which is kind of that white rim around the edge of the bone, usually is pretty consistent in every individual. So you won't, when you're scrolling through a foot, you won't have this drastic change from a very thin cortical thickness to the bone right next door, having a very thick cortical thickness. So that jumped out, that was a huge red flag. I went, those don't even look like they belong to the same human being. And then the articular surfaces, so same issues that you see in the hand, you see in the feet, it looks like on, from Maria to Montserrat, Maria was altered a little, a little floppier. And then with Montserrat, they tried to be a little more conservative. And what's really interesting is like, this is gone really fast. So in the interim, I've researched what the techniques were in that area. And the chinchoro, I just wanna read something to you guys because this matters. Is recognized for having developed the earliest known artificial mummification techniques involving complete bodily disassembly and reassembly, anatomical reconstruction, and detailed external treatments using clay pigments and other minerals. So when you start diving into the history of that, mummies from that part of the world and you start putting all of these things next to each other, I mean, it becomes very apparent very quickly that there's things going on that are greater than this and like George had said earlier, people have mapped a lot of this science already and studied a lot of these. So it was a slap in the face, but I also felt bound by the ethics. When you work in medicine and you take care of people, we all make a pledge to do what's best. So once I understood that I was looking at a human being and once I understood that somebody was desecrating, these remains to achieve a narrative, I, that's why I decided to do this is because this is really gross and it's... Goulish. It's, yeah, it's an evil behavior and it's something that we shouldn't prop up. And Jeremy, I know you are a proponent of UFO transparency and where mind it, my mind is right now, I'm the believing parts over for me. So I, it's not a question of whether I believe or I want to debunk anything. I would like answers and I think that if you have things like this making noise and adding mud to the water, it makes it so much harder to develop metrics or develop technology or direct attention to things that actually might put some definable metrics up on this phenomenon. So to me, it was kind of an assault on all fronts. To my ethics, to my training, to my experiences, someone that's had to deal with this personally, like it was in a front to me on all fronts. Right, like so your interest is in the topic itself, but you see absolute cut lines and things like that. In scans, you've seen, you said millions of them. So you have to kind of call it out because it causes a lot of turbulence when you take people's sincere desire to learn and understand about this and it's being faked. Right, right. And it's just we have such limited resources on the topic period. It's a mud from the water kind of moment right now. Just doing this project and working with Will and Dr. Wilson and Dr. Proctor, sciences are intersecting right now. So having stuff like this, like the rooms on fire, we don't need people screaming, we need people looking for buckets. That's kind of where I'm at on it. So Will, is this going on right now or are they manufacturing they, whoever they are, manufacturing more of these in order to sell? Do you know that any of them have sold on the black market? And the people who have come out in support of the legitimacy of these mummies, people with doctor and brother names, the university that's studying, where are they on all this right now? Yes, they are still being manufactured and sold and yes, they have been sold. And I believe they even got some of them taken back to Peru from whoever bought them, you know. And I believe the person who found Maria, if memory served me right, got like a $5,000 fine in 2022 for Grey Robbin, you know, that's a tax ride off compared to what they're selling these things for. And so yeah, as for the people involved that are saying they're real, you know, at one point George, I was wondering if these were real. So I'm really trying not to make this a personal attack on anyone that believes they're real. You know, I watched the Jesse Michaels documentary. I thought it was good. Jesse Michaels, you know, makes really cool content on like some really strange things that you know, deserve, deserve a honest look. And there are a lot of strange things with this. This is, there's a bunch of strange stuff and you got a bunch of doctors down there telling you there's no signs of manipulation. And you know, he just simply, I guess came to a different conclusion on the big ones than I guess what everyone here did. So I really like Jesse and I really like his show. And I'm gonna keep watching the show. But yes, they're still selling them. And my friend Raul from Pillars of the Past helped me understand this and he helped me understand what's going on with the grave looting. Amazing YouTube channel, Mark my words. He's about to make some splashes. He's gonna go, he's about to go mainstream. And his YouTube channel basically documents, he's probably put thousands of miles on the ground with his feet. These amazing sites improved that have never been, you know, documented before. But much of it has been just a ransacked, completely pillaged. Bodies that, you know, this is out in the desert. So they're kind of relatively preserved despite being 500, 600 years ago, some of them older. And he got a chance to actually interview the walk arrow. And yeah, according to Raul on my video, he said that it was for $20,000. The little, the little freak winged one, right, with the tail. And that's the thing. Now that the hype is at the peak here, just like basic economics, that's when you flood the market. That's when you go whatever with inflation will lower the price a little bit because they used to be more of the small ones, like $40,000. And I think, I don't think they're really, I think some of these small ones coming out now, you know, they're flooding the market. I don't know how long they're taking with it. But I would rally and encourage everybody to go check out Raul from Pillars of the Past, Pillars of the Past on YouTube and go check out his stuff on gray bloating in particular. Hey, this is a scary topic. I did one of the reasons I didn't want to cover this is because there is organized crime here. That's the big secret. These aren't just, you know, some guys, they're like, you know, some of it is. Some of the walk hairs are really, this is the way they feed their family. But somewhere there's a warehouse, Dan, somewhere there's a warehouse where people are putting these together. Are they merely taxidermists? Or do they, is there people with more expertise than something like that involved? I think Will has heard a little bit about that. I mean, I don't know how much expertise they have. They don't know their hands and foot bones though. I know that much. I would like to hear more from Steve Mara on that and what he knows about that. In his video, he said that he was told by whistleblower that two taxidermists were involved. And I think Steve would be interesting to see some follow up on that. So shout out to Steve Mara. So that's the source I got on the taxidermy. And I mean, that kind of just makes sense, right? We've seen the images here. If these are fake, which I believe they are, I mean, this isn't just some random doing that. You know what I mean, George? Yeah. So the government of Peru sees some of these things. I don't know how many they see in their classified and they won't let them out. Would one of you address that? I don't know how it worked. Did they get a bunch of them? Why are they stashing them away? And are they coming out and giving their opinion? So the government of Peru has actually, from my knowledge, only had possession temporarily of Maria at one point when the Ministry of Culture made a deal with the University of Ica, which is holding a lot of these, that Dave, you know, in good faith, let us just scan the body with, you know, I don't know what type of scanner they had, and then we'll return it. Other than that, I don't believe the government actually does have possession of any of these. I could be wrong on that, but I believe that the possession is currently with the University of Ica and then the Wacaros. Some of them have been donated to the University of Ica. And then also, fires, private collectors. Yeah, look, even Jesse, when he was telling me he's going to Peru and he's gonna do all this, he said it's really messy, you know, and in good faith, Jesse is also trying to get DNA analysis on this like, you know, actual ancient DNA analysis from a company that could actually do it. So I love the idea of moving this forward, but what you guys have found is that, you know, essentially these are ancient mummies. They're full on burial grounds where people are just digging up these bones and you are showing or at least claiming that you see very specific evidence of alteration and just Frankenstein stuff that makes no sense, like just use your logical mind. You have two beings who's supposed to be the same species, they got completely different bone structures. You can tell certain bones were replaced from other parts of the body. At one point, you gotta say, look, it looks really impressive. When you do this cool 3D scan of the body, it is a real being. Nobody is saying it's not a real being, but it's absolutely manipulated. And that's what you guys, I believe, are saying is that we can stop right there and say, these are not naturally grown beings that they have been manipulated. And one thing that I wanna bring up with you guys, because I know your DNA expert is not here, but the junk DNA, well, it took me like five minutes to do a deep dive through AI and try to figure out what the junk DNA is in these mummies. It turns out we have precedent for this, that it is an expected thing to have a high significant percentage of junk DNA. There have been other ancient human samples that have been recovered, and it's 30 to 60% of unknown DNA, that that is natural, that is known when you take these kind of ancient samples and put them through analysis. So all these things that seem so mysterious, and maybe you can tell me more about the DNA, but all these things that are propagated are so mysterious, oh, junk DNA, they're really explainable, and it makes me mad. It makes me mad that people are being taken advantage of. Can you tell me a little bit about the junk DNA thing? If you don't mind, I have a remark on this. The thing is, I don't think a lot of, and I'm not a genetics expert, okay? But this is just my understanding. These genetic tests, they're designed to look at human DNA, and sometimes match with animal DNA, and they're working with known structures. So the idea that you could take alien DNA and just submit it to an ordinary test that we have available, even an advanced test, even an ancient DNA test, that that kind of a test would tell you that there's an alien structure or there is ridiculous. It doesn't work that way. You would need some kind of special, especially calibrated test for that, and probably need to know a little bit about what you're looking for in the first place. Let me ask you this. I think I read some comment in regard to your video will about the DNA that it's been identified as 70% human and 30% unknown, and one of your colleagues has said, well, the unknown means it's contamination. If it's contaminated though, and I've heard this in regard to bigfoot discussions where they've done DNA tests in a 40 or 50% and some of these samples are unknown, and they run them in these gen banks that should have every species known to exist on Earth. If it's unknown, wouldn't one of those pop up, you could call it contaminated, but wouldn't some other species or animal pop up and you'd know what the other unknown part is? Any of you? I can pick that one. I can take that one. So the way they do it, when they do that next generation sequencing, is it has to be in like a sterile lab in order to get a sample that's not super contaminated. And the problem with a lot of these mummies is they weren't encased and they were handled outside of a sterile lab by multiple people, breeding on them, touching them, passing them around. So it would be very hard to just take up a core sample and send it away and guarantee that there wasn't any contamination from all of the people that have interacted with them. So at this point, I would actually like to see, like I want them to do the next generation sequencing. I want them to do it to each individual bone in the hand, every single bone, test it. See if they're even from the same person and see if they're human beings and that's kind of where you get your answer. So if you take a hand apart, if you dissect it, and then you find that all of the philanges in the hand come from three or four different individuals, you get your answer. That's your answer right there. So I mean, to me, they need to take it all the way to the end. Yeah, and George, yeah, I just read something the other night, I want to make sure it's correct, but George, I was reading about these specific ancient human samples that were taken and they all showed 30 to 60% unidentified reads. And I think that that is, they say in all these articles, I was reading about it like peer-reviewed articles that that's normal. So that's why I think Jesse was trying to get colossal biosciences because they specialize in ancient DNA analysis and then removing all the things that are known, that are contamination. And I think that's the hope for everybody. But kind of all that's dead for me, if you guys have found absolute manipulation of bone structure in these beings. Well, I think it's worth, oh, go ahead, well, sorry. No, I'm sorry, because I'd rather have you talk, Dr. Proctor, you know a lot about this, but I just want to make one point here on a double standard with the mummy proponents. Steve Merritt helps facilitate a DNA test on Maria's fingers and the DNA test found that there was multiple different types of specimens maybe in that hand, but it was dismissed because of tick contamination. But when something pops up that says, you know, there's 70% is showing homo sapien and in 30% you know, kind of unknown. All the sudden that unknown is really highlighted, you know, there's ways to twist the narrative. So with the contamination with Steve Merritt's DNA test pushed to the wayside with this other one, you know, 30% unknown, what does that mean? So I just wanted to add that. And I just don't understand why unknown if it's humans handling it and breathing on it, why that unknown doesn't come out as human. It's all from different people. So like a lot of those DNA sequinsers are trying to put those fragments into an order that makes sense. And when the machine is unable to put those into an order that makes sense, it's usually because there's contamination from multiple different people. So all of the fragments that you have, it's like having puzzle pieces from 10 different puzzles and you're trying to make the pieces fit and they're never gonna fit. So they get classified as unknown because there's fragments that nothing can get pieced back together. It's a big mishmash. So they twist that language. They take the ignorance of that, you know, knowledge because genetics is pretty deep and most people don't study it and use that to kind of be like see. Right. Dan, you've been trying to jump in. Just look at ancient human samples. It's 30 to 60% unidentified reads across the board. I was looking it up last night. It's not something anomalous. Dan, you've been trying to jump in for a while. Oh, well, I just wanted to say just kind of a bigger picture. It's easy to get lost in a lot of these details about the genetics and the anatomy. But just take a step back and look at the way the science is being done publicly and the way that you see them going about, you know, they're like Michelle mentioned, you've got people, you know, some are wearing scrubs, some are not wearing scrubs. They're handling these remains. They're passing them around at hearings. You know, is this the way a scientific project would go if it really had the kind of importance they claim? You know, and this is another thing. You know, you can't really find a central research team that's in charge of this. You just have kind of a loose collection of people who are making various claims and some of them are scientists, some of them are not. Most of them aren't even if they are a scientist and not from a relevant field. It just, it doesn't, it calls itself science but you don't see any actual science happening. I guess that's my point. You know, you know, they're not treating the remains with the importance that they would be treated if they really were what they claim. Are there any bones that we have on our body that may have been relevant eons ago, but which tailbone, for example, we don't have tails anymore. That I've seen that used as an argument and comments on your video will, yeah, well, there's a lot of things that are in different animals that they don't, they've evolved beyond it. Is there, is there something to that? Good to defer to Dr. Proctor here, please. You mean, I mean, there's nothing in human evolution that would make sense to what we're seeing. You don't, and the other thing is, you know, you know, there isn't really any biological explanation for why you would get randomly hand bones in the feet or foot bones in the hand. You know, it doesn't work that way. And there's, you know, you can tell stories all day. People say, well, they're, they're strange, alien hybrids. Well, that's not a testable hypothesis. You know, what do you do with that? You could say, you can say anything. Well, what do you think of? I've heard people say, well, wait a second. You guys are wrong because, you know, the fingerprints, they're very, you know, linear and they're not normal swirls. And then they also say, there's no belly buttons on these mums. I didn't even know about that. I saw that last night. Do you have a comment about those two things I want to know? Is there anything mysterious about these to you anymore? No, not to me. I mean, the belly buttons, how would you know they're covered in all that crust? It, I mean, but is and the fingerprints are interesting because you're dealing with skin that is dried out and shrunk and it's changed shape. So I don't know how you can look at the fingerprints on that dried out skin and say that that's the way it looked when it was alive. I mean, it may not, I think, and it's, and you know, there's a whole body of literature that talks about what happens to fingerprints on cadavers. So I mean, I would start there. I'm not, I'm not a fingerprint expert. I guess what is it really matter if they're saying, you know, these are legitimate. All the others like the winged demons and all the little, you know, beings that could never even articulate or walk and they've been proven to be made with chicken bones and with human anatomy. None of that really matters at this point. If you're saying that the two that are being focused on are clearly modified and Frankenstein, I think that's that that's what's so important. If you have clear evidence of this, then that creates a problem for the entire investigation. DNA or not, right? Yeah. Yeah. Can I show you one more photo that is? Oh, yes. High-visited Maria in April, 2025. And this was not apparent. This is a new thing that's happening with Maria. And so I'm going to share my screen right now. And this is actually on Tridactyls.org. Can you see my, yeah, my career? Something is being revealed here. There are people on Reddit that suggested that looks like fiberglass tape. Oh, and I have, you know, I guess other people say, oh, that's reptilian skin. But, but you know, here's a thing. I think that if you look at a picture of Maria in 2016 versus now, they'll often hear them say, she's degrading, she's no longer in the cave with diatomaceous earth. You know, I think it's just, you know, it's been 10 years after she got dug up and covered in diatomaceous earth. And she's starting to reveal herself. I don't know what's going on there. I actually do have a picture of Maria with the next to fiberglass tape to kind of show a comparison. I'll send that to you all. But you know, that, that one also would just signal from these. Would you just test that if it's fiberglass tape, just like scrape it and test it for fiberglass? That's what drives me crazy about this. It's like, we all, you know, we all want to believe, right? There's, we know there's your foes. So there's got to be bike bodies somewhere. Just the problem is these ain't them. And I know a lot of people say, well, we got to continue no stone unturned, you know, check the DNA. And I actually do agree with that. But I do see people's curiosity absolutely hijacked about this thing. And they fight for it. They fight against it. Like just the fact you're coming on and saying, you know, we have evidence that we don't believe that these are authentic. There's clear signs of manipulation. Oh, man, people are going to come after you. Yeah, you know, whatever. And now, what are the accusations you've had so far? You're preparing yourselves batting the hatches. Take a two week vacation because after this airs, you're really going to get it. The other thing is, yeah, I understand. People are passionate about their individual cases. They're passionate about the legitimacy of these mummies. It's no loss to scratch it off the list. If the evidence says these mummies are not real, the examples that have been made public are not real. Doesn't mean there aren't some out there. David Grush's testimony that we do have biologics suggest these things have been around a long time. There might be other ones out there, but these are not it. That's not a loss to go ahead and admit that the evidence shows they've been manipulated. It means you got to go somewhere else to look for it. It's Jeremy and I are not, we're not married to any UFO videos that we release. If it turns out there's an explanation for them, great. Cross it off the list and move on. You know, yeah. Have you guys, have you guys debunked to your satisfaction and to everybody you're talking to right now? Have you debunked these Peruvian or NASCA mummies? Have you debunked them? Or is there still, are there still questions that you have? Would you like to see DNA analysis, you know, by colossal biosensis or are you done? Are you like, this is an absolute fabrication. Please tell me your strongest standpoint right now. Well, for me, absolutely they're fake. And I don't think DNA can answer the question anyway. Not your standard test from a lab, just any random lab. I don't think it would, is I don't think it's going to shed any light on the issue. And I, and it certainly isn't going to correct the, the issues we find with the anatomy that's still there. So yeah, for me, they're the cases closed. All I needed to see was the analysis by Dr. Proctor with Maria. Montserrat is also very interesting, but Maria, it has the provenance. I believe in eight or nine year head start before we start to see these other big ones. So if you go, if maybe some, there's some proponents out there that can go, okay, Maria, yeah, Maria is definitely fake. But look at Montserrat. Montserrat still got tendons on the foot or whatever. You're now making the argument that the original one that they drug out eight years ago is fake, but these new ones are real. So that's why provenance is important here. And I believe Michelle in the video said Maria's feet looks like arts and crafts where like Montserrat, you know, they put a little bit more effort into it. So yeah, I think they're, I think they're fake. I'm sure you are. Sorry, Michelle. I'll square. So they're definitely human beings. If you do some research on how they used to mummify people in that part of the world and the, they call it annular artificial cranial deformation where they would like wrap fabric or bands around their head to get that conical shape. I did a video on that today to kind of help show people a lot of what you see in these overlaps with customs that were traditional to that area at that time frame. So they also, there are some, some cultures that used to disassemble their dead as a way to pay homage or greed. So there was a whole bunch of things that once I started looking at this and you add them all together, you just go, God, this is like, it's hard to wrap your head around, but for me, these are, these are fake. These are human beings that have been manipulated. But isn't the claim that the head thing is that there's no sutures, like there would normally be on skulls? Is that true or not true? That's true. So when you do that annular ACD, when you're modifying a skull like that, it's a normal thing to see semi-adhesion of those sutures or for those sutures to get really tight. And that's because you have all this pressure on the head. So a lot of the things that they claim are alien, the sciences already been mapped for. They've studied hundreds of skulls from the Andes and looked at all of this stuff in Bolivia and Peru and all across that region. And the volumes are within range, at least the few measurements or few metrics that we've been given. And the maxillofacial deformations that people like to talk about are classic symptomology of doing those types of head binding. So the more I look at it, the more I'm like, all this science has been mapped already. This is all, you can go and look for yourself. I put a whole bunch of stuff up on X just because I want people to at least, if you're going to believe, at least be educated about the area and what the practices were. Because all of that matters in this too. I think there's a level of ignorance or unknowing that gets weaponized against people. So. I like that. That was a good sentence. OK. Are we about there? Anything else you want to add? Dan? Anything that the public should know? I think I'm good. I think I've said my piece. You know, there could be real specimens out there. But as far as you know, they haven't been found. These are not it. These are not it. They're not it. Thank you. Thank you for all these. Enjoyed their video. That was pretty cool. I can't wait to see what you come up with next. And I wish you all well over the coming weeks. Life is about to get turbulent. Jeremy. Yeah. Thanks so much. It was really neat to kind of see your point of view. And again, like I am always the kind of person. It's like, well, we should uncover everything. No stone unturned. But it is very disheartening to see the way that people attack. When you're just saying, I have found evidence. It does not concur with what everybody's saying about these being, you know, alien beings. Like I wish they were to how cool would that be, man, find biologics. You go back to history. But I think the ultimate thing is that you're saying through your journey, through everything you've done that you've come to the conclusion. These are not alien beings. They look very impressive because they are human beings, probably ancient that have been manipulated or Frankenstein. And that's sad to begin with. But look, more evidence might come forward. But at this point, I'm really grateful for what you guys have have done and come forward. And don't beat these guys up. Don't beat all these people up. Just, you know, listen to what they have to say. And if you got a better answer, refute it. Absolutely. I agree with that 100%. Yes, thank you all.