‘Tropic Thunder’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Van Lathan, and Joel Anderson

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Finding Emily Only in cinemas May 22nd Book tickets now The rewatchables The rewatchables Maybe the last episode ever This is brought to you by the Ringert podcast network We can find the press box with Joly Anderson Find higher learning And Midnight Boys And Ringertalegate with Van Lathen And then CR We're taping this a day after game seven of Celtic Sixers You went, go ahead Enjoy yourself Go Play your song, do your thing No, no, no Just go I was just gonna say I wanted to play a little background music while I was talking and I just need you to do something for me Take a step back and literally fuck your own things CR pulled it off Joly will be pulled it off By the time you hear this who knows if Joly will be able to be playing Please post that before we lose four straights in the next Anyway, Tropic Thunder is next This episode is brought to you by Apple and AT&T Scroll long enough and you'll hear it all Miracle diets, fitness trends, you name it But with iPhone and Apple Watch You get meaningful insights from a very trusted source Your body You can track sleep quality, cardio fitness and more Then unpack all the information in the health app on iPhone to get a picture of your overall health These health insights are developed with clinical experts from start to finish Find out more at apple.com slash health Apple Watch is not a medical device and should not be used as a substitute for professional medical advice Wow Joly Anderson, you're here You did this Should I be offended that we're not doing it at your house? We never done four at my house Are we starting? I'm just saying Van told me that when they do it at your house It's three only at the house We had to bump somebody You had to basically kill CR or Van I mean Van didn't have to be here You know what I'm saying? We could have put CR on him in blackface That's true Wait don't spoil the second half of the pie Come on, that's coming later I'm glad to be here though I'm very grateful I have a lot of gratitude for it He says you cater food and everything Did she take bloodsorters and shit? That's it You get water and sodas? You want some lemon and that? When we're watching the games and hanging out as friends That hasn't happened yet You're never here, you're on these coasts You lived here, a lot of good things would happen for you I love LA In fact they were so annoyed with me talking about how much I loved LA When I was hanging out on Saturday They were like man it's quiet I don't know what you're talking about You did like Billy and Tate They were just like alright man we get it I was talking about the mountains, the fog, just everything It was gorgeous The fog It was a little bit of a mist Settling over UCLA spring game Rose Bowl is beautiful man I love being out here I don't know what the fuck is happening It is comedy month here at the rewatchables We've had this one written down for a while Craig has been pushing for it I don't know for how long Five years? Since day one Since the first movie I did It's finally happening I can't wait to see how it goes I didn't even know where to begin This movie came out in 2008 And see how the peak of How far can we push this? This is it We did something about Mary last week We go all the way through the mid-2000s And then kind of 2008-2009 We're near the end This is a movie where If it didn't work I wonder if they would have released it You know it's the dash mistakes If this doesn't come off If this doesn't play Can you put this in movie theaters? A lot of big stars at the time And I think that was Obviously this is going to sound stupid Like a lot of big stars That's intentional But I think part of the charm of the movie Is you know all of these guys These are not the guys You trust these guys Look at the familiar faces That are a part of this movie Even just people showing up They get to complete buy-in Because they do some really outrageous shit That you have to have trust in the performance For them to be able to pull it off What's the first year that you start saying Oh, I don't think they can do it I think whenever I'm trying to remember like when A grieve Twitter was at its peak Like 2013, 2014 Twitter is basically rounding in a shape Right around now 2008, 2009 I don't think I joined Twitter until 2009 That's when I was too I was like spring 2009 So like yeah They're not even moving the conversation So I think by the time That gets a little bit of Motion and more people are there Then I was like 2013 to the 14 Here's what I got There's something about Mary's 98 American Pie 99 Fuckin' the Pie 40 year old virgin The aristocrats The whole Gilbert Gottfried They make a documentary about it Borat, no question Oh, yeah, Borat Super bad, definitely And then this movie And they kind of We're about at the end here What do you think ended it? Was it social media? Was it like the kind of The open of the town square Of discourse and criticism Or was it These guys all get too big And you can't mess with the money that much Like what is it? There's, it was happening everywhere Cause I felt like it was happening with TV too Right? Cause he's bound and down It's pushing Same time, late 2000s I mean, you know what? Some of the stuff that we're talking about Is pushing the envelope Is pushing the envelope in terms of How Zany and Darren the comedy is This is different though Yes Like this is legitimately hitting At what some people would say Are marginalized communities Special disabilities Especially these people Should I say Black people, gay people They're Viet Cong's Viet Cong's There's not a lot of Viet Cong's There's no S You wouldn't say Chinese There's not a lot of movies In this run that you guys are talking about That go for this Something about Mary is definitely one of them Yeah Definitely one of them But there are not that many movies That go directly where Tropic Thunder goes Do you get credibility though When you have this many stars Improving people in it Do they get to push the envelope More at that point? I guess it depends on Who you get credibility with Right? Because Tom Cruise Ben Stiller Like all these Jack Black They have credibility with people Downing Yeah, they have credibility With a certain kind of comedy community But again By the time we start getting to the Height of Twitter Like 2013, 2014 I don't even think they would be able to Pull that off with them Like I don't think people would buy That shit from Robert Downey Jr. And when you think about the fact That this is the same year Iron Man comes out So this is the sort of Completion of his renaissance You know, his career revival But he's not that far into becoming An insurable actor again Right When he does this Which on the one hand Is crazy that he did it But on the other hand It makes sense because you're like He wouldn't do this today You know, I don't think anybody In this movie would do Tropic Thunder today Not because of like Necessarily the content It's too big of a gamble You think that is different from Because I saw an interview That he did from like 2020-21 He said, well, I don't regret it Something like that Yeah, look at that Yeah, I did a little prep, man I talked to our studio too I don't shit, yeah He was like, I don't regret it But I wouldn't do it again He didn't say I wouldn't do it again He just said I don't regret it Basically I think that they had a pretty Serious like intellectual reasoning Behind the Kirk character Which is obviously like the one That's like the thing that you'd be like Could you pull that off today? Well, like some of the quotes That Stiller had about it Look, we're making fun of actors And how movies are made And this is like the Ent degree of all this stuff Yeah We're just taking it as far as we can go But that's the whole point of the movie You're either with us or you're not You know, I have this in What's the most 2008 thing about the movie We were still in the era To where funny one I agree If it was funny Then people would There would be a certain group of people That would have an issue with it Problems that we could have conversations But if it was funny That was the most important thing Everybody kind of got the joke together Yeah And if it worked that way Then it was cool Now obviously we came out of that We came out of that partly because Hollywood pushed us out of it There were several egregious things That happened in the 2010s Like, you know Casting Scarlett Johansson And Ghost in the Shell Like casting Movies were wiped And where everyone went No, we need to have a conversation About the racial dynamics of politics That exist in Hollywood And that kind of overshadowed A lot of the other stuff But at this point It was still like If you went to this movie And you laughed at that character That was enough Craig has a theory Here we go I do What was your last When did you think the last funny comedy was? Did we say this is the end? Yeah, my joke was that this is the end was the end Neighbors? Is neighbors right after it? Neighbors technically came after it But it's that like 2014 range I think it's mostly because Like, I think this movie is a great example Of the Ben Stiller group They were all in their early 40s at this point They were at the peak of their powers It was kind of like Apex Mountain For what can we get away with And I think this is the end Was the same thing for the Seth Rogen crew They were all kind of reaching 40 years old They have kind of done everything And they're like, all right What's one last thing we can get away with And then there was no new group That came up below those guys Which is why I think there's no Tropic Thunder or this is the ends now Because like, no group really like Supp planted them and came after them And then 2017 things changed You know, culture got differently It changed, man The way you're telling me I like to hear it, what's happening? At the end of the 2010s Culture changed For a variety of reasons It's changed It's changed There's also, there's a massive Massive sea change in Hollywood Which is a lot of the people And several people in this movie Especially Downey Start participating in Marvel And in large scale superhero franchises And you can't really fuck with the money on those Like the next Tropic Thunder Should have been about Marvel movies Right, you would do like I can't believe we're on movie 11 of this And you would have all the fake trailers And the documentaries The boys does that a little bit It does a little bit But not in a, this is a movie And there was an HBO show like a year or two ago That kind of came and went That was a little bit about this But it's, Tropic Thunder Can make fun of something And you can be conversant in Platoon And Apocalypse now And be like this is so funny The way they're making fun of this But even if you haven't seen it You'd still laugh at some of the things That are happening Tropic Thunder too is like Scorcher 8 then, right? Yeah, basically Yeah? Yeah I have a lot of Scorcher questions coming later I think I would have seen At least the first two in the theater But I'm not sure the plot was So this was one of the most successful Hollywood parody movies I think ever Yeah When you talk about Big Picture The Player Network What else is in there? The Player Network Were they really flippant? Best in Show? Best in Show's not There was a really bad one called Burn Hollywood Burn It had some people in it I think at this point now it's like Well the studio is the best in show I should not think of more The studio I think probably was influenced By this movie The Sundry Game Oh yeah The Kevin Bacon one, right? Oh that's another good one That's the Big Picture That's the Big Picture Yeah, Kevin Bacon, Terry Hatcher, all those people in there Yeah, sure Swimming with sharks, was that one of them? Yeah, that was the agent There's been a couple of like Agent, like Curly Burley But then you know what you also have Like around this same time is you have entourage And Lloyd And entourage is legitimately Another thing that pushes it so far With some of the stuff that's happening That you probably couldn't do now Which is another reason why Maybe that movie was like Not well received when it came out But entourage is kind of doing The same thing at the same time You know how you were When we were doing Ghostbusters And we were kind of going through The montage that they have The fame montage Yeah, the 84 montage And you were like this is just the fucking best Like I love the 80s This was so great 84 Do you feel that way about 08? Like when you're rewatching entourage Or you're watching Tropic Thunder Stuff from back then Are you ever like 08 was the best man? I just... Housing prices were low Pre-social media though You guys this is hard for Bill to talk about Because he's walking the line He's got to be sensitive to the concerns Of the people now But at the same time That was your era Doc in the big three That was your time That was your era That was your era Yeah, Sarah Palin and Tina Fey Sarah Palin and Tina Fey You know what I loved about 08? Obama Get the fuck out of here What's Obama? I mean he was even present He inspired me He wasn't even present I think it was like This wasn't the last good year But it was like the last It was like the last year That everything didn't seem Headed for a downward trajectory It was also there was Enough distance from 9-11 And it just felt like There was a hopefulness I think as we headed into late 2000s That now seems like It happened a million years ago This movie benefited from being in 08 Because there was no like out of context commentary on it Like you had to go see the movie To really know what was in the movie And if it came out now There would just be clips and screenshots And it would just get destroyed Before people even went to go see it Yeah, that is true Now I will say that Throughout the mid-20s I was still having a lot of fun 2015, 2014, 2016 Like I'm at TMZ going crazy Right, I'm still having a lot of fun What do you mean? What do you mean? We're going nuts in the city Going nuts in the city? Going nuts in the city? Yeah, we're going nuts We're going nuts, right? You're testing? Shut up In this, with this movie With these types of movies Like a lot of stuff happened First of all, some of these guys Not necessarily so much in this movie But like some of these guys Started getting in trouble Like there's a comedy purge That happens once the Me Too movement comes out And you start to see the way some of these guys Not necessarily in this movie But around the way they acted In their personal lives And really that ripped the heart Out of like what a lot of I'm not saying that that was a bad thing I'm just saying you legitimately lost Some of these careers When we're talking about some of these comedy dudes Like they didn't even last Throughout the scrutiny of the mid to late 2010s You know who was able to avoid this The entire time was Larry David with Kerb He was always able to push the envelope On whatever he wanted And then even after everything else changed He still kept cranking out seasons And still even made seasons this decade And almost seemed like he got a hall pass for it Well, some people get hall passes Like Barkley had one There's a hall pass element to it But I think that the thing that's crucial Is if you're going to make fun of Other groups of people Or basically anybody else And this is what this movie actually does do You have to be the buddy of the joke And Larry is always The most awkward, difficult, funniest person on Kerb Like no matter who he's making fun of Larry is always the one you're like I can't believe this guy needs a napkin that bad That he's going to do And Larry always loses And Larry always loses And Stiller and Downey and Jack Black Yeah, they get a moment of heroism at the end But the people who are most worthy of ridicule in this movie Are the stars in the movie Yeah, man, it's just too bad Because I was thinking about the Palestinian chicken episode And it was like, yo, like I think he actually could still do that today though So I think we're I don't know, I mean again I don't work in Hollywood You know what I'm saying? This is one of my few times out here at LA But I just kind of feel like they're still What? Don't look like that I just feel like I just feel a little indigene No, I'm just kidding Just let me finish Just let me finish Should we go? But no, it's just that I think the thing is that you could still do that I mean, the same kind of comedy That prevails in Tropic Thunder Is still out there You can find it on the internet Or wherever It's just not, you know A big Hollywood It might not be a big Hollywood movie or whatever But you can still find people doing blackface And walking up on people calling them niggas That was, you know Chuck the Builder Yeah, Chuck the Builder Yeah, Chuck the Builder Well, it's different podcast We'll talk about that Oh, yeah, sorry I didn't mean to make it look like that That's okay I am so I'm just Like, Joel said the N word with the R And Bill's brain getting a date Like, is that like I'm sorry I just want you to have a safe space to give his opinion Bill's just like, I don't want a different sweatshirt I didn't know I was like Bill was like, that's a line from the department I didn't know I should have asked if I had permission to do that You do You guys, get your shit off, bro All right, Doug, come on Do it up I forgot what I was gonna say I know you did I had a good point I'll remember it I have a fair hour from now So it's making fun of two different genres All these Vietnam movies we grew up watching And then all these Oscar Bate movies that I just feel like pre-social media We were all making fun of this stuff And you might see it in essays and blog posts and whatever But I don't feel like we made fun of some of this stuff enough Like, have you ever seen I Am Sam? Or like some of these ones These are like regarding Henry We've always talked about for dramas that are now Comedy's Month But all these actors, they couldn't resist And then when it would hit on Forrest Gump Then the next actor would feel like they had to do some sort of Oscar Bate movie But I always loved that this movie made fun of that And the Vietnam stuff is like I kind of think about the scene in True Romance When Clarence Worley is like Man, did you make Coming Home in a Body Bag? That's my favorite fucking bag It's like, this is almost making fun more of Coming Home in a Body Bag Than it is like The Dear Hunter And Coming Home in a Body Bag is a fictional movie from True Romance And a lot of homage stuff that you know If you're like a die-hard fan of all this stuff Like even Stiller's character starting to lose it At the end and thinking that Half Squats is son He's found his people And it's basically Apocalypse now, right? But they're not hitting you over the head with that You have to kind of know One thing that social media did was It allowed everyone to run to their corners Coal less around each other And then form things to get offended about Right? And I'm not saying that Oh, you're saying people too woke, huh? No, I'm not saying people too woke I'm saying like even like right now Like the Filmbro community The subjects of King Shang Fennesey The Filmbro community, right? They get offended Like they get offended about stuff like This movie is legitimately making fun Of the culture of the Oscars Of the culture of serious filmmaking Being an endeavor that is completely cynical This movie is making fun of that I screenshot it and they have the... They have the five movies, nominees And Hanks is in a wheelchair With his arm like he won some sort of wheelchair race Who's in the operating room? That's Sean Penn as a line guy And John Boyd, right? John Boyd and then Toby McGuire In the Satan's alley Which I own on Fourth of Blue, right? It's pretty great So like what I'm saying is like now There is a holy grail to some of this stuff There would be people that would be offended By some of this that think The Oscars now and the conversation around it Because of podcasts and all of that stuff It's just more different and robust Than even I remember it from before It's like it's the biggest part Of somebody's here to seriously talk about it Yeah, I think Oscarology was more of a niche pursuit And now it's not Uncommon... I mean maybe we have bias Because we live in Los Angeles and it comes up a lot But like you'll hear people be like Oh I heard that movie has a really good shot In the Oscars Right, that was the dialogue That kind of started in the 90s And it got even better in the 2000s I as a movie fan, especially somebody In a legal cable box for years and years Was watching all these movies Was offended by how bad some of the movies are You said you had a what? A legal cable box Don't try to like Charlestown for years And try a legal cable but got like your gym Yeah, don't try to like big out We paid big out to come over He's souped up our box Yeah, get all the pay-per-views from like 4 years This is amazing This is interesting I loved it I've never heard you talk about your criminal exploits On any podcast I've talked about it before You talked about it Oh, big outs? Yeah, I've talked about big out I thought maybe you was doing this for me and Joe As a younger person I used to tell him about like You switch the channels back and forth really fast To get skin and max What crimes have you committed? I can't really talk about it This is my favorite crime I ever committed Because it would be the pay-per-views And it would be just on every two hours That's fucking amazing These movies would come on like patch-atoms And they would just be on on channel or whatever And you'd be like, what the fuck were they doing? How did anyone, what dreams may come With Robby Williams and Cuba? Yeah You like that movie? I am Sam Like they would just make shit movies You're after your... Oh, yeah But radio's based on a real person though Somebody's movie's on a real person I don't find radio I mean, somebody's movies are good You don't find radio You don't find radio Somebody's movies are It's okay Somebody's movies are But also, remember Serious movies at a time Were about serious topics And sometimes somebody's When you, somebody's like They don't fit into society for whatever reason They're having trouble like That was a serious topic But this started in TV in the Really the late 70's, early 80's With the after-school specials And different strokes And these shows were Somebody just sent me one today about The time Arnold and his buddy were on the street And somebody had a seizure in front of them And this lady just has a seizure For like a very long time It was a special episode about seizures I know you're gonna remember this This is how you learned about stuff Do you remember The Ben Affleck one When he was taking steroids? The steroids, he punches them Oh, yeah, he fixed that Dude, look at that one You gotta remember that Where the hell is he? What the hell is he? What the hell is he? She was on acid, right? Yeah But that's how we learned about this stuff And then eventually it drifted into Movies and better shows But still The actors in this So we've been still wrapping An incredible 11 year run As a comedy lead man Which recovered in the There's Something About Mary Jack Black at a really weird point In his career trying to stay on top King Kong 2005, Holiday 2006 Which I think has had a lot of legs He did the Tenacious D movie Is it Margo at the wedding in 2007? Yeah It's kind of like a My Accommoder Actor, what am I? So he's at that point And then Downey, as C.R. mentioned Putting together his comeback Of Zodiac, Tropic Thunder, Iron Man Where all of a sudden he's an A++ Listering Yeah, it's starting to Finally pick up after Kiss Bang Bang is sort of his Like, hey, I can be bonded I had forgotten how close that was To the time that he had been in prison And couldn't get in short Right, that was the thing To a point Probably when I saw this movie I thought of Robert Downey Jr So that was the junkie You know what I mean? That was the guy That was what he was known for That's what he was That was what all the stores were McConaughey Don't McConaughey Trying to hang on to the A-list He was in the wilderness After this movie he does Fools Gold Surfer Dude, Ghosts of Girlfriends Past and Lincoln Lawyer It's not going well Well, the Lincoln Lawyer is a good movie But it does, it comes on the heels of that He's in the wilderness Is it a good movie? Yeah, I think the Lincoln Lawyer is a good movie Is Lincoln Lawyer a good movie? Yeah, I think it's a good movie I don't know if I remember what happened to Lincoln Lawyer Lincoln Lawyer is fine Yeah, it's actually a pretty enjoyable thriller But it's like him kind of getting his footing back Because he is flirting with obscurity During this time Yeah Like Hollywood This is like after Sahara Couple rom-coms that went sideways Don't know what to do with him And then in the next decade Obviously Diles Barrett's club Interstellar, True Detective All of these things are going to bring him back And this movie right now is him staying on the tips of people's head The actual start of the McConisance So like mostly people think it's Magic Mike Diles Buyer's club Wolf of Wall Street True Detective Interstellar In some order No, it's this But I actually think it's this and Eastbound Or like kind of like They're like, oh this guy has like a whole other gear That he can play with And also Well for us it was two for the money And he also is crucially, yes He's like, I'll play a supporting part Yeah Like I don't have to lead everything I'm in It's probably easy to sell them on that Joel plays supporting part Just the line is one in the four in the three All I gotta do is get some rebounds I got five pounds Y'all not listening to the tell-case Take a charge That's Joel podcast It's not Y'all not listening to the tell-case It's not Joel is out there every day I'm a role player man Like Yolkich putting up Rebound, assistant, that he's actually the winner That's the big board I come for Yeah, exactly Let me tell you when we were at the Rose Bowl Everybody's coming up the van in the motherfucking van I was like, oh I just feel to be famous I'm here Alright, let's move on Tom, more on the con head later Tom Cruise He's at another crazy point Yeah We're three years after Oprah's sofa We're in the middle of the Katie Holmes weirdness We're with that weird Scientology interview he did We have Paramount dumping him And he's about to follow this up with Valkyrie At night and day with Cameron Diaz Can I ask you a question about whether we look back at this In 08, there was a part of me that was like Is less gross but kind of cringy Not because I didn't like the character But it was like he's trying really, really hard In this moment Like, no? So when I first saw this movie This is the first movie I ever went to a screening at It's Chopper Thunder This is my first screening ever that I ever went to You took Sasha Gray Don't get me started though There's some people that I find special place You didn't have to do that I almost forgot what I was about to say I'm serious Because there's this one You started a screening She's in like a You can't go back to the screen We actually want the Sasha Gray screen But it's in the movies This is still So like, this is the first screening ever This is going to sound so crazy Not to the end, I did not know it was him Yeah That's a recurring theme in the research Most people didn't know it was Cruz I did not know it was him And then the guy Tim Wells, producer I was working with At the time, goes Stay, watch this He's getting ready to leave And it's like Tom Cruise I'm like, what the shit? And I thought to myself that exact same thing Even back then I'm like Why did he show up in this? But he was so universally reviled at that point Like, it's so difficult for people I think the two biggest comeback stories In modern Hollywood memory Are both in this movie Robert Downey Jr. and Tom Cruise I think Travolta's in there too Travolta's absolutely in there That's actually a great point So three, but like he was so universally The weird guy Shut up man He was universally the weird guy He did some good stuff In the 2000s Did some, had some golf Had some celebrity golf I mean man, he was a correspondent on the camp On camp fire Speaking of OJ Simpson Do you know who advocated for him? Not advocated At the Rose Bowl We're going in there and Joe's making sure That OJ Simpson is in the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame It just would be absurd if you went to the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame And you didn't mention OJ That's what I thought And I just wanted to make sure That's fair And he was listed there among the people that In the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame But I think that's fair But I also think it's kind of interesting To walk into the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame And the first thing you say is where's OJ? I think what he's saying is true But I think it's about Vince Young first No, nothing I didn't do So you saw Screening had no idea it was Tom Cruise Which was most people Did you know Tom Cruise was in this when you saw it? It's hard for me to remember in 2008 But I watched it with Liz who had never seen this movie And she did not know it was Cruise Until halfway through the movie I said you know that's Tom Cruise, right? It was she like what the fuck? Yes, yeah It's really good makeup And it's Physically it just doesn't seem like him They also kept him from all promotional materials Like they did like they were they I think they sued like a tabloid For taking pictures of him And getting him from like a like a trailer to the set Like but there was a moment there where like Maybe it's more like after the movie came out Where I felt like He was obviously not a trained comedian Cause he was like overworking the joke a little bit And it felt like for a second You could get him to show up as Les Grossman At like college game night You know what I mean? Like it's like less grossman was available It felt like Yeah, I think he was just happy He was the one who would clap Because he did it at MTV. He did it at the MTV World Cup. It kind of didn't work that well, but he was just happy that people were like, oh, it's Tom Cruise. See, I thought instead of being reviled, I thought more than anything, people thought he was weird, you know? And that's different than being reviled, because people are like, I don't even remember. The Katie Holmes thing, I think, turned people off. The Katie Holmes thing, but also the Matt Lauer thing. Oh, he was yelling at Matt Lauer? Yelling at Matt Lauer, the whole deal. Like people were like, this guy's an asshole. Like what is he talking about? He's too far gone. Paramount dumping his deal was a pretty crazy thing to think back on. And the Spielberg breakup had happened a couple of years before that too. And then the last one in this, Nick Nolte, former A-Lister from the 70s and 80s. Most normally they play Jack Hates. Ah, this sucks. Are you shocked enough? He's 85 years old. Nick Nolte, how is he still alive? 85 years old, yeah. I mean, he'd seem like the guy that should have died at like 67. I think he's the only one that they had to replace on SNL when he was guessed that that was when the famous Eddie Murphy episode, because Nick would just party too hard and couldn't host it. The crazy thing is that he doesn't look that much older in crime 101 that he did in Tropic Thunder. Like it's basically like he hit old age and has been there. An amazing run for him. It's one of those that when he dies, nobody's gonna be like, what? No! He's worn his career. I mean, even if we were talking about Downey, I mean, he had gotten arrested like a bunch of fucking times, like going leading into this too. And that was just kind of, you just kind of expected that. I felt like he and Gary Busey were kind of like the same person to me a little bit. It was like, oh, those are the old guys from the 80s who are always like getting DUIs and shit like that. Yeah, you know what there was like a weird thing talking about the difference between now and 08? There was more of a distance, I feel like, with celebrity then. So like when Downey would get arrested, you'd be like, oh, and then you kind of keep it moving. But now it would be like, what's the first pod Downey's gonna go on after this? And like people writing these parasocial posts about it. But yeah. You would never be able to get away from it. Call her daddy. They would always, yeah. Come on. I will say that there was something about Robert Downey Jr. at that time though. All of the trouble that he was having, like Hollywood was mourning it. Yeah. Like Hollywood was like, Hollywood was mourning it. He had been around for so long. He had seen it going back to like weird science and the pickup artists and all of these movies. And then he picked with Chaplin. And then he's in the James Toback movie. He starts to get into the weird indie thing at the end of the 90s. Then he comes out on Ally McBill. And it's like, oh my God, he might be back. But then he can't stay straight for that. People were really sad for whatever reason. You could tell even in the tabloids, the way they would cover it, how well liked he was. And they were happy when he got it together. Like when he got straight and came back and delivered an Iron Man, delivered in Zodiac, delivered in this, people were, they rolled out the red carpet. They were struck back into the town. I'm just gonna see Downey and US Marshals every couple of years. And it'll be like, oh man, that guy could have been a contender. It was almost like an athlete. Yeah. Well, you think of like, oh man, Kenny Anderson. Well, I can't just shit together. Kenny Anderson, man. It's like, how many of those did we have in basketball and football? Over there is Dwight Gooden. Yeah. Kenny Anderson was the man. He was. We're gonna take a quick break and then more to discuss with this movie. This episode is brought to you by McDonald's. Right now at McDonald's, you can get great deals all day with McValue. That's right. Jumpstart your day with the under $3 menu featuring a sausage McMuffin for just a $1.50 or grab the perfect lunch with the McDouble for just $2.50. Honestly, nothing pairs with a movie marathon like a McDouble in hand. Gotta love the McDoubles. Get even more value with McValue only at McDonald's. Limited time only. Prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. All right, let's go through the characters. Ben Stiller is Tug Speedman. Hit it big with the Scorcher franchise. They made six. I was getting to this later. Let's do it now. What's Scorcher about? What's happening in Scorcher? Is it like a global warming? They tell you in the first trailer, the earth has stopped spinning. So in Scorcher, the earth has stopped spinning. So because the earth has stopped spinning, I guess volcanoes and the atmosphere. It's like a day after tomorrow kind of vibe. Basically. But he's like, he's like commando. He's like, He's some sort of commando who is saving people in this post-apocalyptic deal. The earth has become a Scorcher and it's destroyed. So each sequel, it's still the same premise. The earth is still. It's colder. Yeah. I think the last one was like, it was like, it got colder. I honestly not against the premise. Like I would at least give one. If it was Gerard Butler and Scorcher, I'm like not pay-per-viewing that. I did not know what that movie Greenland was. Okay. I did not know what it was. You think it was Scorcher? I was going to the movies. Greenland I watched for the first time Saturday. That is legitimately a fucking good movie. Dude, Butler doesn't miss that one. Genuinely a good movie. I expected Greenland to be corny. I'm watching it. They're trying to get on a plane. It's legitimately a good movie. So he, Joel, he went serious after all the Scorcher. He was once the biggest star in the world. Ended up playing Simple Jack, a special needs farm boy who can talk to animals. I feel like we got to do cops, right? You make me happy. Who has tugged speedmen in Hollywood? He's talking to us. I think I- It's Cruz? Really? Definitely think. No, no, no, no. Cruz had all the prestige in the 80s and 90s. I think the reason why Tom Cruz is in this movie is because he thinks it's funny that Stiller is doing a riff off of him because Stiller had been doing a Tom Cruz character for a long time. Yeah, Cruz for 10 years. And he had done the like, I'm Tom Cruz's stunt double thing, right? Yeah, he's definitely Tom Cruz to me. I thought it was like a cross between Cruz and the Mission Impossible's and like Stallone just trying to keep Rambo going crossed with nine other Hollywood things. Well, and also those guys would often make, now none of them, I don't think did something like Simple Jack, but they would every once in a while make like a family movie where you'd be like, what the fuck are you doing, man? You're John Claude Van Damme. Like is there a world where Simple Jack could have worked? Like was down here, right? I think Kirk Lazarus lays out how. Kirk Lazarus was like, I think Simple Jack needed a special seal. Yeah, he needs to be good at Black Jack. If he could talk to farm animals, that's you become an asset on the farm. I'm just, the thing I was just trying to determine is Forrest Gump that far off Simple Jack or not? I couldn't tell. Like Goody Ping Pong. Goody Ping Pong, talking to the president. Right. Forrest Briggs, you're next in the way. Yeah. Started a running movement. So Scorcher Six Global Meltdown was supposed to be the comeback. Yeah. I like that title too. All right, so that's him. Then we have Jack Black as Jeff Portnoy, a movie comic star with a stealth heroine problem. I would describe him as Adam Sandler crossed with, later career, Murphy crossed with late 70s Belushi. And Farley maybe? Farley, yeah. Yeah. Recently the star of the Fatties, fart two. I absolutely would have seen this with both of my kids. Oh yeah. I'd seen the Fatties and the Fatties, fart two. I was trying to imagine. It sounds great. Like Ben Simmons' level of interest in Fatties over Tropic Thunder would have been like off the charts. No question we would have owned it on multiple platforms, streaming, DVD. Great idea. Still time. The white 90 professor, man. Yeah. Yeah. Robert Downey Jr.'s Kirk Lazarus, Australian Method Actor. Yeah. Five time Oscar winner. That would be the record by the way. It would be. It shatters the record. That's what it picks that they made him the all time leading Oscar winner. Star of Satan's Alley. And then also played Neil Armstrong in Moonshot. We never really found out what. What was the premise of Moonshot? I don't know, but he had to like reacclimate himself to the earth's atmosphere coming back from that movie. Sounded great. And he's supposed to be a combination of Russell Crowe, Colin Farrell and Dan Davis. It felt like a lot of Russell Crowe. Well, the Australian part. Yeah. Like the him naked in the balcony. But the method part is DDL. He was supposed to be Irish in some of the research I saw. The character was supposed to be Irish. No, I can do Australian. Had controversial pigmentation alterations for Trappin Thunder. I like the shot of them in the operating room. We just like, yeah! Steve Coogan plays director Damien Cockburn. The director of Trappin Thunder. I guess in the research it said this was inspired by director Richard Stanley's experience directing the island of Dr. Moreau. A movie that I've wanted to do for the rewatchable Spray Ears. Did you watch Reigns of Madness, the Hearts of Darkness of Trappin Thunder? The Bythro. Yeah. So there's more Damien in that. And he talks about how he's, was he 50% Werner Herzog, 50% Francis Coppola and 50% Peter Bogdanovich. He's like, well. Stupid percentages. You guys in an island of Dr. Moreau? I love it. In general, it's a movie. What do you mean? It's like Marlon Brando. Just that movie, how fucking crazy it is? Yeah. I love Late Stage Brando. I love it. See, that makes fun of me, because I made it a gimmick at Grantland with the island of Dr. Simbo. See, I thought it was the most, most interesting thing of every day of the com. Although I came around to Berbester. It was just like a hodgepodge mailbag that I named after the Dr. Moreau movie because I was the only one that liked it. But that was another one with big house cable box. We were just watching it over and over again. And after like nine times, he kind of got it. I understand what they were trying to do. Kilmer didn't want to be in the movie, it's the problem. I blame, I blame, that was one reveal. There would be a Grantland, like Bill would come up with a gimmick and then walk off and then it would be up to us to kind of see it through. But like he would be like, 93 days until the NBA season, let's do a post every day about counting it down. And then he come back like, day 61, he's like, oh, you guys are still doing that? We're like, what the fuck are we gonna say? It's August. Well, we did that, remember for the, we did that for NFL, right? Cause we had two sports in a lockout. Yes. So we had to start doing a countdown to when we were going to actually get sports. Yeah. Come on, man. Sad times. Nick Nolte as four leaf Tabeck. Danny McBride as Cody Underwood, big McBride run here. Yeah. Hot Rod, Pineapple. Thunder, Eastbound, all in three years. He's just in our lives for real. When he's about to do the explosives run, he's like, Damien, Damien, I need to put some tiger ball on this. It's like, he is really like, you can tell the vibrations coming off of him that he's like a significant guy. He's one of those that, Craig, did we, we have enough all NBA teams and MVP ballots for him over the years? He's like the funniest guy in the 2000s. I never became a star. Yeah, man. What are you standing there? Kind of that. He became, to me, he became like a force. Like a force. But not like a, I mean, he was never an A plus listener. He was like a 12 years of an HBO show. I know, 12 years of HBO shows. And then also creatively, because he was the creative force behind a lot of this stuff and stuff like that. To me, it got to a point to where he was the most consistently funny line reader in the town. For sure. Like he said a line, the line was funny. That was, this is the end was his end. Like everybody else is talking, when he talks, you laugh. First season of He's Spending Down is all time. Same thing. Yeah. You know the problem was is that when you would see him outside of that arena, and like if you, if you watch Prometheus and Danny McBride's in free, or you can covenant, you can come in and you can wrap your head around it. In covenant, you're just like, yo man, like when is he gonna do Kenny Powers? And it's almost like too much. Yeah, I can see that. I don't know where he ranks and he's one of the funniest people of the 21st century for me. But he's top five. I don't think he's out of the top 10. He just, he's P.E.R. is like top three. I mean, pound for pound, he's number one maybe. I don't think he's out of the top 10 for me. I'm gonna mention a movie that like, not a lot of people love, but it's legitimately one of the funniest movies that I love. Did you guys see Your Highness? Yeah. Oh yeah, long time ago. Yeah, I was gonna say that. His Sterile. Like legitimately. Like it's stupid, but like hysterical. You know the great thing about him too is anybody who's in a scene with him, they also automatically get 10% funnier. So when he's in a scene with Will Ferrell, you're like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. But he can make like John Hawks hilarious. You know, like the dude from Dead Wood who's in Eastbound. Natalie Portman in Your Highness is like really funny. It's just the only person I've ever seen make not make more funny is Nick Bilty. It's just like, well, it's just, it's just nullity. Well, that was the thing. I was just like, well, I guess we'll talk about it later. That pairing, I had a really high expectations for them. You know? When I showed my son Eastbound when he was finally old enough, he had the same look on his face for three episodes that Jack Black does when he sees the pile of heroin. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? It was just every funny bone possible, just slamming. It was everything he would want, Kenny Powers. Jay Barrows' show is Kevin Sandusky. Not knowing that the Sandusky thing had not happened yet. Man, that had not happened yet. Unfortunate last name. I think he's really good at this movie. Yes. I was thinking about Casting Couch later. I'm like, oh, who should, and I was like, you know what, I really liked him. He's also the only one playing in the lane lines. He's like, I know I'm not supposed to be the funny one in this movie. And then Brandon T. Jackson is Al Pacino. Al Pacino, yeah. It's my guy. Who do you believe, RG? That's my man. Brandon T. Jackson's a homie of mine. He was on a run. He was on a run during this time. All big movies, Percy Jackson, Big Mama's House, like a lot of big movies he was in. And this kind of was like, he was a very familiar face in Hollywood at the time. He's excellent in this movie. He's great. I would not, he is not on my Casting Couch. I would not replace him. Really? No. Because there was some Kevin Hart stuff that we'll talk about later, but like, you know, like we're still kind of in Chappelle Range, where he could have, I think, played this, but there's, I think he's actually really good. I thought he goes toe to toe with everybody in the movie. And he's good. He also was a businessman with the Bust the Nut candy bars and Booty Sweat, Booty Sweat, Booty Drinks. We'll talk about him later. And then Cruz as Les Grossman. So the producer, Stuart Cormack, we did a oral history of Les Grossman for Grandland. And apparently Tom read the script. There was no Les Grossman. And he said, I think you need another villain. What about some greedy pig studio executive that represents the gross part of Hollywood? And then Cruz like developed a lot of it. One oversized set of cans, they put them in a fat suit, bald cap. Kind of Joel Silver-ish. Yeah, but they- They didn't say it was Weinstein Silver and one other? It's weird. In the research, they're like, it wasn't based on anyone, but I never believed that. I always feel like somebody's based on something. Yeah, Joel Silver is a good one. Yeah, but I think the screaming at people was rude. And then Bill Hader, early Bill Hader. Yeah, early young Bill Hader. He's an assistant. And then McConaughey is Rick Peck. Is that our third Peck? That was Walter. Walter Peck, Dennis Peck from Internal Affairs. And Rick Peck. Rick Peck. Could have been Peck Month. We should do another category that's like which Peck should be in this movie. Best Peck. And then a ton of cameos. What's your favorite cameo in this, Joel? Man, you know, Tarbanks. Let's go. Tyler Tarbanks is great. I mean, because first she's playing like a rich man. I know that look. Well, I thought, yeah, I mean, I have like... That was a nostalgic, I used to love her look. Maybe he could have named these shit. Like, that was probably the last time I looked at Tarbanks and I was like, that's it right there. God damn. Well, I mean, she nothing happened to her. I'm not mean to be disrespectful. She's a beautiful woman. But I mean, everything we know about her now, I'm just kind of cruising back there. I'm kind of cruising. Yeah. I avoid for his reaction. Getting bad? Not with the Oscar. Yeah, I got to be McGuire, man. He's a little Wonder Boys throwback. Little Wonder Boys throwback. Touching the prayer beads. Yeah, that hilarious. Lance Bass just showing up. He's like, I'll do it. Oh, Lance Bass, that was pretty good. They said they only had like three hours with Toby because he was flying somewhere. So they had to film like all of this stuff. They had like this short window to get it done. He had like a poker game in Macau. He had to get something. Yeah. Yeah, probably. It's a go to Bobbys game. The premise, which 10 soldiers went for return, three wrote books, only one was turned into a movie about a secret assignment in 1969. Still had a premise, developed it because he was shooting Empire of the Sun. He had a small part and thought some of the actors were very self-important and self-absorbed and self-involved and appeared to believe they were actually part of the military. So I'm trying to figure out who he was talking about. To go through the little IMDB search. I mean, it's like Malcovich is the person he is in that movie with. Those are the two American soldiers who adopt Christian Bale when they're on this base in Japan. But yeah, it's hard to tell. Cause I don't think of Malcovich as somebody who would be like, I'm a soldier now, but maybe I'm wrong. You know what's interesting about this though? And I like Ben Stiller. I do think he has reputation for taking himself a little too seriously. And it's funny that he came up with this movie because he noticed people taking themselves too seriously. Isn't that part of the rap? Well, kind of the genius part of this movie is people, all these actors are beating people to the punch with the criticism you would level at them. You know what I mean? It's like Tom Cruise is gonna like lampoon Hollywood. So you can't really lampoon Tom Cruise. Ben Stiller is lampooning self-involved leading men. That means he's kind of bulletproof about it. It's interesting tactic. With the exception of Downey though, don't you, I'm sure we'll talk about this later. Don't you all kind of feel like they're playing basically a version of themselves? Yes. Right. And even Downey, Downey, they make sure to put in the character that this guy has like a bad boy offscreen image and stuff like that. So Downey is playing who people thought he was, maybe like 93 or 94. All right, let's talk about Kirk. Did you ever still hear about Kirk? I think I did. Who? In the late 2010s. Wait, what? After this. After Tropic Thunder. After Tropic, yeah. Wait, what? I was asking if he ever had Stiller on his pod. Oh, really? Oh, shit. Okay. All right, let's talk Downey and Kirk Lazarus. I'll just give you some quotes. Downey said, at the end of the day, it's always about how well you come into the character. If I didn't feel like it was morally sound, or that would be easily misinterpreted that I'm just C. Thomas Howell and Soul Man. Tough. That would have stayed home. CTH, drive-firing. CTH just like, what did I do? I'm over here. I was just working actor. I was thinking of, because I think Soul Man was one of the first movie that's on a VHS tape. We got it from Blockbuster. And at the time, I don't remember thinking it was all that offensive. My parents loved that movie. It wasn't bad. We laughed. I signed that for you. My, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, you guys, first of all, I, I'm just letting you guys know, I'm 46. I'm telling you right, my parents loved that movie. They loved it. We would watch the movie. And I remember as I got older, you know, I was like, one day I was like, you're like, huh, come on, come on, come on. It's kinda weird. This is fucked up. Now here's the deal. It's interesting that he would take a shot at Soul Man. We'll talk more about Soul Man later. Because even in Soul Man, the movie is attempting in a really, really fucked up way to make a commentary or critique on race. The movie is attempting to lampoon someone that would go or make fun of somebody that would go that far and use something intended to help black people to help themselves. And the movie is an exploration about what that character kind of learns about black people by doing this really stupid, silly thing. But you just can't get past what the movie does. Man, I don't think you can find it. I don't think it's streaming. I can't imagine that's the case with the way that 4Ks and Blu-rays are now. Well, I'm sure Sean probably knows to find that. Sean's got a special look. Sean got it from New Zealand. This is a big picture of podcasts about movies. Well, today we talk about Soul Man. I saw it. See, Tom is hot. I vaguely remember what happens, but wasn't... He got a scholarship at Harvard. But it turns out Ray Don Chong should have gotten the scholarship and now she's putting herself through... He couldn't pay for it. Yeah. He couldn't pay for it. Howard Law School. But he took it from Ray Don Chong. He got into Harvard, but he couldn't pay for it. And for some reason, his dad wouldn't pay because he didn't get a scholarship or something like that. So he got... He wanted to get the A, the money, and he... He turned it his back. Did you know about this movie, Craig? Yeah, but I've never seen it. Just because we talked about it. Yeah. He took tanning pills. And then he took tanning pills. Tanning pills. Yeah. So Brandon T. Jackson said, when I first read the script, I was like, what? Blackface? But when I saw him act, he became a black man. He was just good acting. It was weird on the set because he would keep going with the characters. He's a method actor. I bet that was weird. Taylor said he's playing a method actor who's gone to great lengths to play a black guy. The movie is skewing actors and how they take themselves. So seriously. And then last thing, Downey was so committed to it that he did the DVD commentary as the character instead of Robert Downey. All right. I would... Oh, just go ahead. No, you go. I just think it's interesting that you could make the argument that he does not take himself seriously as an actor again until Oppenheimer. Like he does Iron Man and not saying he's not taking that seriously. Just go ahead and shit on this. He's largely like playing. Like there is very few roles that he does in between this and... Like he's playing the character of movie actor Robert Downey and just popping into movies. Yeah. And it's like... Like the judges definitely like that. I almost wonder if he got like too close to the sun on this one. Now, I'll say this. I actually think that there are a couple movies where he tries it. I think he tried it in The Soloist. I think he tried it in What's the One? The Judge. The Judge. I just think he just got to a point to where... To fit those movies into something that audiences were loving so much. Yes. He just went, I can't do it. Like I'm taking some swings. I want to be... Robert Downey Jr. to me always wanted to be taken... He's such a great fucking actor. He wanted to be taken seriously as a serious actor. Tony Stark was never going to be enough for him. But he also made insane amounts of money. A insane amount of money. He played Iron Man and he did a lot of the getting. It was good. And even after this, right? He did Oppenheimer. He won. And then he goes back to the MCU. Because now that he's proven that thing to everyone... Take a safe place. Go back, get another $1.7 billion, $1.8 billion. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, I just... I don't know, man. I kind of feel like if he had just... If any... I'm trying to think of this as anybody else that would have been able to pull this off. Because really... I know I'm trying... I was like honestly thinking of the people who he's supposed to be lampooning. And how bad it would have been if Russell Crowe or Colin Farrell tried to do this. It would have just been like, we got to burn the negative. Colin Farrell, I'm being more black women than Robert Downey Jr. Colin Farrell, we got proof. So if you've been into it... But like... I mean, you can watch it. But I'll say this. When you think about it, that's actually a good point, like a fantastic point. Downey is one of the most unique talents that has ever come out of town. Like super unique. He can charisma his way through a movie. He can straight act his way through a movie. He can comedy his way through a movie. He's got a weird, hanksy thing. Not quite the everyman thing that Hanks has got going on. He can't get there. But he's got a really, really deep skill set. In my life, I didn't know that he had a comedic background. I did not know until the day he was a Saturday Night Live. I mean, I didn't know that was his background. No. But something, if you had probably gone back to like pre-chap... Chaplin, before Chaplin, like less than zero, some of the stuff that he was doing in the 80s, you would probably be like, this is going to be Dustin Hoffman, right? Like, this is going to be... This guy could do anything and might do a range of comedic and drama performances. So for him to take 15 years, almost 20 when we get to Doomsday, to be like, I'm going to basically play Tony Stark, a couple of Sherlock Holmes movies, a couple of throwaway kind of Hollywood dramas. Just trying to see if I can bite the dramatic apple. I always think about, like, I mean, PTA is debated about how real this was, but like, he was supposed to be an inherent vice. He was supposed to play the detective that Joaquin Phoenix played. And I was always like, man, what would it have been like if Downey had done inherent vice and like a really challenging, cool movie with PTA? And we'll just never know. And I don't know when he's going to try again. He does three Iron Man's and then once he's not in those... Made 10 Cajillion Dollars. He's got everything with those. He's an inspired man. He's in all... He's in everything that they're doing. And the stuff he's doing other than that is basically Sherlock. So 2020, it was interesting. Who was the one who pointed out that in Letterbox this was like three and a half stars or something? Like this is a movie that some people are now against? Tropic Thunder. Tropic Thunder. I don't know. I think it's like not... Were you the one that told me that? I did not. I thought it was like not well liked. Well, I said there's something about Mary has a... Or was it there's something about Mary? I'm blank. It's something about Mary has like, it's either five stars or one star. Well, I'm sure again, we'll probably get to this, but... Let's get to it now. Well, I just kind of feel like it didn't age quite as well as I thought. I walked away feeling very underwhelmed. Because of the movie, not because of like the jokes don't land anymore. Right. The movie itself. You're talking about the character. Well, because like again, like in retrospect, I probably thought Danny McBride and Nick Note probably made me laugh my ass off in 2008. But as I was watching it again, I watched it twice this weekend. I was just like, it felt like there was missed opportunities all over the place. The movie depends so much on Robert Downey Jr's performance to be a great movie. It's heroic. It's a low bearing wall. I'll also say, I didn't remember this before watching it this time around. The third act of this movie feels like they're making it up as they're going along. Like on the day of, they're kind of like, yeah, let's have a shootout over here. And it's like, oh, you guys kind of almost stopped writing the movie at a certain point. I laughed my fucking ass off. I laughed. I think when the war broke out, I was a Saucer and Sanatone. I think that's the fucking scene. Back when the war broke out, I called up some greens. I think, I don't know why, like even in the theater, when that was happening, I was like, this is the funniest shit I've ever fucking seen. And then to watch Brandon look at him like, what the fuck is this fucking crazy? And that's the funny, I laughed to your point, you get to a point in the movie almost at the point where they discovered he's simple Jack, where the movie is just almost like, oh, watchable. You can't even watch it. But all the trailers, that part, everything that led up to there, I thought it was hysterical. I laughed big ass titties for no reason. Like it's funny. The movie is fucking hysterical to me. Yeah, I had that on one stage the worst. The last third of the movie could probably be half as long. And it's clearly they're just shooting from the hip in Hawaii and just filming shit, blowing stuff up. Yeah, I was surprised that it wrapped up as quickly as it did. Like all of a sudden, I see Tom Cruise just like, you know, he's dancing. And I'm just like, oh, wait, this is how the last five, six minutes of this is going to be. Okay, cool. Stowe directed, wrote the screenplay with Justin Thoreau and Eton Cohen. So Stowe directed reality bites, cable guy, thunder, two Zoolanders and Walter Middy and then a bunch of severance, right? He's done severance and escaped from Danimora. Yeah. Oh, escaped from Danimora. Yeah, great fucking show. Yeah, we fucking love that. Great show. That could have gone longer. Let these guys stay from that back. Yeah, they just make that again. So they had an extensive marketing campaign, fake websites, fake stuff for the characters, fictional TV special, sold the energy drink. And then they did a simple Jack website and people like get this fucking thing down. And that was that. They had multiple movie clips. Even in 2008, people were like, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 Every year around the Oscars, there'd be tweets about how there's more people than one Oscars for the... Oh, yes, sorry. I'm new to the mic. No, no, no, no. He has a microphone brain blind spot. We were doing it at UCLA. The mic is down here and Joel is talking. I'm like, Joe, there's people in the stands. It was like, what was that SNL sketch with Bill Hader where he's the... Oh, yeah. He can't put it on. How come? How come? It's got to be done by him. It's got to be on camera in life. I got you. I was a writer. I told him. I was like, yes. You're a late bloomer superstar. That's where you go. So you were going to say, though, the Oscar thing. Oh, yeah. Every year around there, there'd be like, oh, there's a bunch of black people saying there's been more people that have won Oscars for blackface than have actually won. It's not the craziest fucking thing in the world that he got an Oscar nomination for this. If you tell somebody now that he got an Oscar nomination for that, it would blow their mind. I think the Oscar nomination is the thing that people most hold on to when they're talking about the negative legacy of the portrayal is the fact that he got nominated. It hurt the movie almost if he got an Oscar nomination. You know what else is interesting about it? We talked about this with their stuff through about Mary. Comedy is never good nominations. That's right. And it was just weird that this one, it was like all the old black people in the Oscars were like, yeah. But this goes back to my theory that sometimes the people in the Oscars be fucking with us. Sometimes they sit together and they watch the help and they go, oh yeah, we're going to piss them off. I don't even know. Green Dress. Like the blind side? Oh, we got to make sure they get one here. I would like to think it was trolling, but I think it's actually just old guys, you know? They're like, shit was just better back then. We're driving Miss Daisy. Oh, that's what we got one. You know what I'm saying? So I just think something fucking with us sometimes, man. This was weird that it got nominated. Less for the Downing character, but just the comedy getting that. It's not like this was a hit, but not like a phenomenon. Yeah, it's a pretty hard little bit more sense for Matt Dillon to get nominated for there's something about Mary or something like that. So Marissa Tomei and my cousin, who else? It's it's not a lot less. She's great. Yeah. Craig, Google, Google comedy actor, actress, supporting Oscar. I don't think you're talking last 30 years. It's probably five or less. Do you count raw too well? Oh, no, that's kind of like a great character. Great character, but he's not like necessarily like a comedy. Yes, funny scenes, but I don't even think that they're being they're very much like rooted in the story of Jerry McCarthy, Bridesmaids nomination. OK, that's one. That's one. That's a great Barbie. Gosselin Barbie. That's one. That's one. Jonah Hill, Wolf of Wall Street. I don't know. Get that fucking shit out of here. Wow. All right, relax. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's it. He's been sad. He's been sad. He's been sad. He stopped researching. Tootsie Terry Gar. Well, that was in the 80s. Yeah, we had to come on the 80s. Yeah, it's pretty weird. Speaking of Craig, this movie was 107 minutes, a plus seven on the whole back scale. It feels like a plus 14. The I had you. I mean, there's trailers at the beginning, you know, there's some bonus footage that they had to include. The unrated director's cut, which for some reason I own on Voodoo was like over two hours. Really? Yeah. What's in there? Just extra stuff. As you know, Craig, my rule is always deleted scenes were deleted for a reason. And that's a good example. $90 million budget made 195.7 million. Roger Ebert. I'm sure. Three and a half stars. Considerably better than stillers previous film Zoolander. Huh? Zoolander. It's the kind of summer comedy that rolls in makes a lot of people laugh and rolls on to video. Most rewatchable scene. Let's go. Categories. I fucking love the opening so much. Yeah. I think the first 25 minutes of this movie are a plus, plus, plus, plus. The access Hollywood segment was just great. It just, I can, I feel like I felt like. You're jumping ahead. Isn't that the first 25 minutes? No. Oh, no, I have the opening. Okay. Oh, I'm talking about just the trailers. Just trailers. Oh, booty sweat. Booty sweat. Squirt your sixth global meltdown to the fatties far too in St. Now we in the movie has even started yet. That's right. That's right. And you know, it's probably a very complicated time for Kirk Lazarus because he's also on the trail for Satan's alley. Right. Right. He's got to do a promotion. That's right. Forbidden love in the 12th century. Because he, because Tubman McGuire is nominated. Yeah. Now this current Lazarus, who is very competitive, did he get nominated? Well, I think after the Tropic Thunder experience, he's realized it's not about competition. It's about competition. It's about competition. Yeah. First big battle scene. Tub gets shot like 47 times. His hands are blown in the spiders. Dan McBride comes in hot. Mother nature just pissed her pants. So there's a lot of good stuff in there. I like his hands and the J. Barrichel, the, the intestines kill me. Oh man. What do you mean is all this? I think I can put it back. Yeah. I think I can put it back. Killed me. The ET segment. Is this where Danny McBride goes, Tuck Tuck and King have blue balls? I want to let him score it. ET segment Nunez, the disappointing buddy comedy, Chitlin and the Dude. I was going to ask. So what was the premise of this movie? Who was Chitlin and who was the dude in this? I think Chitlin was. Martin Lawrence? No, that was Martin Lawrence. Yeah. So Chitlin was, oh man. Okay. And then the dude was Ben Stoward and, or Tuck Speedman and Drag. Yeah. The art of parody. What was he, Chitlin? I had so many questions for Chitlin and the Dude. I wanted to know more. The art of parody. Parody just works better than, because the name of the movie. Chitlin and the Dude, man. It's a buddy cop copy. It's a movie they would never make, but it's a movie they made. Yeah. They just call it something else. They just call it, but it's really Chitlin and the Dude. They call it like money talks. Well, they had, what was the Ben Vereen comedy on TV was like 10 speed and brown shoe. Something like that. But then it's like an actual show. You can look it up. It's on ABC for multiple years. Speed and brown. Simple Jackson, this as well. And then we get to meet McConaughey, whose hair is just, I don't know what's going on. It's, it's, it is like a full fledged Afro. Yeah. He looks great, man. Yeah. I don't know if it's a wig or what he's doing. I think that was maybe post a turkey visit, you know, post-herosons. Yeah. Yeah. We get less gross man's entrance. This is your fault. You let me fuck. Oh, my favorite. Well, my favorite is, Hey, where's the key grip? Yeah. Because the key group is going to look the same whenever we do. We get Damien, the director blowing up. I gotta say, this is a guilty pleasure favorite scene for me because I'd like when he had put the head on the right fall. So good. Oh yeah. Let's go and make the greatest wall movie ever. It's corn syrup, guys. Lake Texan corn syrup. Then the scene, the, I don't even know how to title this scene, but the Kirk talking to tug and Kirk talk about simple Jack. Yeah. Can we talk about the scene real quick? I'll just lay it out. Okay. Talk about this in real quick. Okay. So obviously the scene is hugely and ridiculously problematic. Obviously, right? Is it? So I'll tell you, it is just in the world that we want to live in, it is, right? However, the observation in the scene, however, I'd laugh for three straight minutes. Yes. The observation in the scene was so deadly accurate. And even still, I wonder when I watch it, how I never thought of that. Sean Penn blew it. The observation in the scene is so deadly accurate that it is just a genius brilliant piece of comedy writing. It is. It is. You can't take it away from people who look at that and go, you don't want that as part of a punchline and all of that stuff like that. I get it. That scene is hysterical and it's just gorgeous writing. It's the most memorable line from the movie. It's the most rewatchable scene for me. It's also basically the sleep with me Quentin Tarantino rant about Top Gun. It's like the most dead on observation about like, it looks tauted, actually tauted, not retorted. And like the fact that like that actually is the peak of Downey's performance to me is like he's just so, he is pretending to be an Australian guy pretending to be a black guy who is also commenting on the like the nature of Oscar like campaigns. Well, also his, the way he plays off Stiller, Stiller's like there were times I felt like I became retarded and Downey's like, what the fuck? But he's also, but also and all of that, he's also fucking with him. There in a big measuring contest for the starring role of this movie. So he's saying you're a moron. You're like moronical and being this going, yeah. Like the dumbest motherfucker. Dumbest motherfucker. He's really, and then he gives him a little bit, he walks, he makes him follow and he just continues to fuck with him the entire time. He does the same thing when he's commenting on his physique and he's like, any tips? Any tips? Any tips? I'm trying to call up too. I'm telling you, he's gotta give a fuck what nobody say. He's just throwing 117 miles an hour for the entire movie and it's still tickled me to this day. Couple more. We get a couple less grossman scenes, including the ransom meeting. Take a big step back. Literally fuck your own face. And dates on Flowrider. Was it good to have Flowrider back guys? You like him? It was fun. It was a very 2007, eight ish. I don't, you know, I don't know if I've ever been any place that played Flowrider, man. Oh, interesting. Have you? Well, it's like LSU, like I was, I would go home. I wasn't, I was in a fucking LA by the time, but you go home, you go around the campus and they love low, okay? A lot of Flowrider at my high school prom. Really? Yeah, I think it was. I got to avoid a lot of that. I was 30 years old. Yeah, I was, I was close to LH too, but you're like, you go back, you go on campus and you're like, Apple bottom, cheese and booze. Forgot to mention Tuggetting recognized as Simple Jack. Yes. And they all, they all, they forget the VHS. The, I think this is a top three for me, the, the troops all hanging out when Jack Black is tied up. When he calls, he says, your mother's a contankerous whore. Oh, and Jeff's detoxing? Yeah, and the Lance, he's talking, Brandon T. Rob, he's talking about, talking about Lance. Yeah. And we get, were you thinking of dangling the dice on Lance's forehead? I texted that to Craig this weekend. Do you think they always knew that that was going to be Lance Bass? That's a really good question. That probably was a late, hey, we should get the Oscar's already and they were like Lance, it's a funny joke. It'll pay off at the union. Downey says, man, everyone's gay once in a while. It's Hollywood. And then Jack Black wants to blow up. I'll create a, the ball, stroke the shaft, work the pipe, swallow the gravy, get it over your buddy. Let's do this. Can I, can I do my flex right now? Cause it's related to that line. Yeah, let's go. It's the Steven Seagal shitting on himself for the most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot. Apparently that line that Jack Black says tied to that tree is, this is from an interview with Jack Black. It was an homage to the urban legend about Sylvester, Sylvester Stallone going to his trailer with some lady. They were having sex in his trailer and as the legend goes, he still wore his microphone and the sound guy turned up the volume and everybody outside could hear. And he was saying, stroke the shaft, cradle the balls, say my name, swallow the gravy. What? I forgot about that. I think that is a true story. That's right. That's crazy. Wow. Oh, God. If I had that context, it would have been that much funnier. Yeah. The same thing. Cradle the balls. The shoot out. Jack Black with the double cocaine hands kills me. I like when the hands come back. I like this. I have a son now, half squat. As we said, the last third of this movie is not awesome, but there's a couple of fun things in there. And then the Oscars ending with Tropic Bunder and less dancing. So what do you got, Joel? What's your most rewatchable scene? Well, actually, I gave it away already. I felt like the excess Hollywood scene just took me back to, if I felt like I was, I am in a hotel room right now. Yeah. I'm saying it in a hotel because LA is not where I live. And it was just like sitting down, putting down your shit and being like, oh, yeah, this is exactly what I would expect it to see. Yeah. It's like sitting in an airport bar. Yeah. Yeah. On any TV from like 2003 to 2011. Yeah. And then it just felt good like that to me. I don't know. And so, they said, you know, I didn't see that somebody said they were close to me while I'm coming. Y'all know, I felt like that was the best acting that been still in the whole thing. I was so amazed. I was so excited. Close to me? Yeah. What do you got, Van? Kirk and Tug. So, I'll see you in San Antonio, man. I'm sorry, guys. Like, it's like... Oh, when he's talking about cooking for them? Yeah. Yeah. He's like, we're gonna sit down and he just... And there's something that happens in that scene. First of all, Brandon... What you saying? Hustle up some crock. Crock. So, Brandon... So, I actually called Brandon about this. And Brandon said that they were losing the light and now you can actually see it when you see it. They were losing the light and Ben Stiller told them, just do whatever. Just cook. Like, that he was all improv. This movie has a lot of that kind of like Ghostbusters feel when we were talking about Ghostbusters. It was all improv. They were losing the light. Ben was getting cranky and he's like, you guys just cook. Just do some shit. And so, Robert comes off the top of his head with that. He starts going in on it and Brandon T. Jackson just plays off of them. And the authenticity of it, it plays real to me. Because when I'm listening to him be a black man and talk about crawled adds and like grab some collared greens and all. It's just, it's fucking unbelievably hilarious. It's hilarious to me. Did he say collared up some greens? He said, he said, he said, he said, y'all have videos. Y'all have for a treat. Back before the war broke out, I was a saucy in San Antonio. Call up some of these greens. It's funny, bro. This shit is funny. What do you have, Sierra? I'm going to go with Kirk and Todd talking about Simple Jack. That's mine as well. That's the same. What's the most 2008 thing about this movie? I got a list. Rick Peck playing Wii Tennis. That's one. Wii's on there. Oh, the Wii. I got the Wii. Toby McGuire being credited as an MTV Best Kissed Award winner. That's on there. Let's read a Max magazine. That's on there. Tevo. Munoz, Entire Banks. Tevo. Tevo. Oh man. The entire conversation about the format wars between HD DVD and Blue. Right? And how porn led the way? How porn led the way? An important Lance Bass cameo. Right. Qualcomm phones. Yep. But the winner is Tevo. And the winner really is Tevo saving everybody at the end. Yeah. It feels like the most dated fucking thing ever. Yeah. Were you a Tevo monthly subscriber or a lifetime? I never had Tevo. What? No, I didn't really get it until DVR on Kegelboxes. What did y'all do? I mean, when I started fucking with it, your provider had the shit on you. Also sometimes we would literally go to like, I would go to a friend's house to watch 24 on Tevo. Like, I got three, 24s. Tevo really had a moment. Yeah. It was like the most important thing in my house once. Yeah. What's it's the best? A couple of things. The Spalding official NBA ball is in there. Oh yeah, yeah. That's 2008. The original iPod is in there. The first one, yeah. The first iPod is in there. The first iPod is in there. They're so good. There's also, well, because it's, Tug is watching his iPod in the jungle, right? Yeah. He pulls out a very specific brand of chapstick that is like only from 2008 that he's about to put on before the pandemic attacks him. And one thing about this too, last thing I'll say about 2008, everybody in this movie is in the perfect spot in their career to be in this. Yes. For like the, for the space. They're all big, but they're a little dinged up. Yep. Yep. Perfect. Still is the only one who's, but even he, I guess, is a tiny bit. I was not even, it's not like cable guy was like, it's a $600 million movie. Yeah. This is just his project though. So it's not, you know, he's already kind of had his run, right? Well, it's age the best. I have a list, but what do you got, Joel? I said the portrayal of Les Grossman. I said, oh, shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, I said, don't you think of him like that is our CEO class in this country. Sure. You know what I mean? And like he put, for what, even though people think that there was some anti-Semitic tropes with that, I didn't read that. I didn't, I didn't get that out of that. That may be my own ignorance on it or whatever, but I just thought that kind of executive is defined American culture as much as anyone over the past 20 years. Go ahead, Van. Your response. You disagree. Go ahead. Go ahead, Van. Go ahead, Van. Doesn't give a shit if people die. Doesn't have to treat you nice. He's ridiculous. Like, he'll make you watch him do it. You should be asking him. What is he saying? Like, and in the appropriate amount of time, we will file an insurance claim. I think that's actually true. It's a performance that like, honestly, in 08, you were probably like, huh. And then now it's like, oh, it's completely on the nose for that, that era of Hollywood exact. What do you have for what's age the best? The whole scene with his exploded hands and the two of them trying to crying on each other and Ben Stiller still trying to cut like the arrogance of those guys and just putting Danny McBride in charge of explosives. Oh, fantastic. YouTube, they mentioned YouTube. YouTube was still kind of... Yeah. YouTube... It's like two years in. That's age the best. Also, all of these guys are kind of still on top. Yeah. Like Matthew Mc... Jack Black's the biggest one out of all of them. Jack Black, Matthew McConaughey, Tom Cruise is back, Ben Stiller has severance and the Knicks. Like, it's like a lot of these guys, Robert Downey Jr., these guys are like still on top. Let me ask about your boy though, who's Brandon doing right now. He's doing great. Okay. So all the brothers, you know what I mean? You should tell the truth about... He's doing great. Your friend's experience, man. He's doing great. Brandon's doing great. I talked to him. He's doing great. The other line is he's doing great. He's had a great career and it's still going on. I don't know why you're picking on him. Just glad Van was able to do a name drop. I called Brandon earlier. I could drop more. Go ahead. You know the people you talked about. Don't get used to it. You don't do it. What? If somebody else could do that, you can't do that though. You got to start just name dropping. Like, be like, yeah, I was texting with Matt Dillon the other day and just see if he calls you on it. You can't do that. A lot of people can do that but not you. Look at you doing a little brawn meme. Oh yeah. Finger pointing. I have a Vietnam movie parodies. I still enjoy even all these years later, even though they don't really make Vietnam movies anymore. But I still love that whole culture. We've done a podcast about them once. Sandusky's theory about porno movies validating video formats. I thought it was, honestly, kind of brilliant. I was thinking about this the other day because we were doing a physical media pot on Big Picture and we were to ask the question about whether or not there will ever be something above 4K. And the first thing that popped into my mind was from this movie. It's like, well, if porn leads the way, then yes. It's going to be 8K, right? Craig? Apparently the human eye can't process more than 4K. Yeah. I'm barely compressed as 4K. How about an author lying about a personal experience to sell books? Yeah. That's pretty well. See that? James Frey? James Frey. Yeah. This is a personal one for me and it's so stealth, but it fucking kills me. Rick Pex, Loser Son. Oh man. He has the camera again. He has the camera. He has the camera. They have the... The two for the picture. The thing he has it is the office and the sunset. Look at the camera. He's just... Oh, but when they on the plane at the end of the movie too. I was like, oh shit. This is so good. I have Pex Remedy for killing a hooker for how to clean it up. Get your hands on some bleach hydrogen peroxide and a shitload of lime. He just likes it. I thought it was a great little kid performance by the leader of the flaming dragons. That guy's good. He's really good. Yeah. He was excellent. He was like scary. He could do moves. And then I like what Nolte says, let's bag and tag the pastor. You're in a world of hurt. That's funny. He said it was bag and tag. Let's bag and tag the bastard. He was like, you're in a world of hurt. That's what CR said about the something. The doctor came and said, let's bag and tag the bastard. Let's talk to Tatum. And then... Oh my god. So, the five actors nominated for best actor leading role were Tugspeedman, Tom Hanks, Sean Penn, Tobium Gweyer and John Voight. Pretty believable. Yeah. Yes. And you have to pretend that Sean Penn consented to be included in that group. Probably downing because he knew downing from really. The Floyd Gundaly butter in my ass and lollipops in my mouth award for something I just enjoy. Every time somebody says booty sweat, man, it doesn't work for me, bro. I mean, I was saying... You know, there was a time when people would say, Rick James, bitch or whatever. We don't boys just talk about booty sweat. So let me get some of that booty sweat. Honestly. I'm not doing anything. Don't do that. Don't do it. I saw your face. Anytime sympathy for the devil is used in a movie. I'm just kind of like my spidey senses go off. Yeah, I did a deal. I was going to wonder, I was going to do the hottest take on whether that's the best movie song of all time, but it wasn't less movies than I thought. Yeah, I also give a shelter. Focus was the big one. It uses it a lot. Yeah. But more TV shows. I have a, I really love well done fake movie trailers and movie. Some fucking homerun every time. I honestly, I feel like we're short. Craig, we're like 50 short career. Fake movie trailers. They're just really well done ones. Just thrown, like why not just if you're making a comedy, why not just put a fake movie trailer for no reason before the movie starts? I hope they do more than the second season of the studio because the Paul Dano action movie that they did, which is really just the opening scene of that movie or the climax of that movie. And they did the one about the, like the... Did they ever do the Greta Gerwig? Not, yeah, the Greta Gerwig movie. They did the one where the guy's like the Sarah Polly. The fartpocalypse. That trailer in the studio with Johnny Knoxville. Oh, that's right. Yeah. That's right. I miss those. What do you have, Van? Do you have one? I like walking around the jungle. I was like movies in the jungle, army action movies just walking around in the jungle. Being scared. Yeah, being scared. All right. We'll take a break and then we'll come back with Joel's first ever flex. All right, Joel. It's time. Your flex category. Well, first did you understand the assignments? I did. I did understand the assignment and actually I had something for all three and I'm now going to decide right here based on the center of the conversation. Oh. All right. Because you know, sometimes, because either it's like I could have done something more ridiculous, but also I just don't want to see, you know, this is a very high brow podcast. Sure. Yeah. I feel like I'll be in that one. It's a lot of intellectual heft here. You sign in my house, but we're still doing good. Not at all. I was not with the catering and everything. Wow, Bill Sugarfish. Thanks, man. Tell your chef. Thanks. Maybe the next time. The needle drop run through the jungle by Creedence Clearwater Revival. That that shit is beautiful. Like, and I expect to hear it in every Vietnam era. Yes. You're right. It's probably 80% of the Vietnam movies feel like they have to do it. Yeah. There's creed. I wonder why wasn't there more classic rock songs about jungles? I mean, I just in general, I think I'm not sure. I mean, I just in general, I think Creedence has that vibe. So like Susie Q's and Apocalypse Now. Yeah. I'm sure there's one. I think the number one Vietnam movie band. They have two. Yeah. You hear the music. Fortunate Sun. Fortunate Sun. Bad Moon Rising. Yeah. And then there's a lot of Motown. What's the most used song in a Vietnam movie? Probably anything from Creedence Clearwater Revival. I think it's Fortunate Sun. Yeah. It's the most stereotypical song. Allegedly, they say that song is about gun violence, though. Which is crazy because this is from like 1969. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, it really wasn't about Vietnam, huh? Okay, sure. Whatever you say. But yeah, that was my shit. And maybe I actually downloaded that so I could listen to it. Oh man. Great Shot Gordo Award. Tug running in front of the bridges. It blows up or would you do something else? I had the Great Shot Gordo Slash the Sean Fennesy Award for stealth homage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm is the reenactment of the Willem Dafoe death in the platoon. Were you gonna do platoon? It's on the list. Fuck that movie. Chess Rockwell Brock Landers Award for best character name. It's gotta be Alpo Chino. Alpo Chino. Kirk Lazarus is good too. My silver medal is actually Hater's character is named Rob Slalom. I don't know if you ever actually say it out loud. But it's so weird to watch Hater because you keep waiting for him to completely break out in this movie and he's just like kind of keeping it. Now, if you count Lincoln Osiris is the name. Yes. That's a good one. Link. Yeah. The Kid Cuddy Pursuit of Happiness. Joel talked about the needle drop. There's a couple of really good ones there but it's got a good ingredients. For what it's worth is also another big Vietnam movie. What do you got for your flex? I have Billy Bats Jack Walts Award for the most biting and scalable insult for first of all, take a big step back and literally fuck your own things. That's a great one. Butch's girlfriend word, weak link of the film. This is a good one here. I think this is interesting. Mine is we already discussed it. I thought the last third could have been seven, eight minutes tighter and we just could have gotten out of there. Even halfway through I was like, man, this is kind of going on. Yeah. You know? I wanted more like there's a deleted scene before they send the five into the jungle again where they're at some party at the set and they're talking to Appo Chino, Baryshell meets him and I just wanted like two more scenes with that. Like the guys hanging out before it got weird unless at the back end would be my note. I have Jack Black. Wow. You thought he just showed up and collected a check, huh? No, I think that the Jack Black stuff is funny at times but I do think that beyond the scene of the two scenes that really work other than that he's kind of just whacked out in the movie and pulling it away from the funniest parts which is like Kurt and Tug and Appo Chino and some of the other stuff. I had Jack Black and it's rare. Jack Black is normally a plus player in every movie he's in but in this one I had him as the weak link. I have Steve Krug and is much funnier and reigns of madness than he is in Tropic Thunder. Yeah. I feel like they kind of hemmed him in a little bit. I don't think Ben Stiller, man. I was just like, yeah. Ben Stiller? Wow. Yeah, man. I'm sorry. I just, again, I felt like I was like, oh, I've seen this Ben Stiller before over and over again. I didn't think he had that much work to do. I felt like he got to be himself. I mean, I didn't mean that he was bad and I didn't think... Well, you could weak link a little bit. The acting performances were probably some of the best parts of the movie to me and of that bunch. I thought I would have said Jack Black, but I couldn't say Jack Black because you already said Jack Black. So I had Ben Stiller right above that. I get what Joel's saying. I think we were talking about this a little bit earlier. Ben Stiller has really good taste and usually the movies he's involved in are really good and funny, but he's not always the single best part of the movie as just particularly an actor. But there's something that he can do that is very useful in a movie like this. Is he can be a funny straight man. Yes, and he's making fun of himself. He's making fun of himself and his performances are nuanced enough to where he can be the straight man to a lot of other stuff that is crazy and happening at the same time in the movie. But he can also actually have you laugh at him. I enjoy him more as a character actor. I think him and Happy Gilmore or even Zoolander is funnier than when he's just doing the Meet the Parents thing. The Steven Seagal shitting on himself for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot, which Craig already did. I have another one. This is Bill Hader. This is the story he had. Tom Cruise didn't know who I was and was trying to figure it out. I said, Seth Rogen's a friend of mine. He said he went to your house. I did a Seth Rogen impersonation for two seconds. Like Tom Cruise is amazing. We rode motorcycles in his backyard. And it was like I did a magic trick. Tom Cruise started clapping and going crazy and he went, you do impressions and you're on Saturday Live. Meaning I was briefed and I know who you are. I just sort of left a bed in the room for this. But can you imagine Cruise doing the over exaggerated. You're so funny. You're the SNL guy. It's like kind of like the politician who's just like, this is the treasury secretary and that's his daughter. It's been on SNL for two years. What's age the worst? Well, we covered a lot of the what's age the worst already. Including the website for Simple Jack. And then we covered the other things that happened. Any other what's age the worst that we have? I would probably say it's just a, I would say the action in this movie is the worst. Okay. Yeah. I would say that comedy is not the only thing that matters now anymore. Your movie is not just about whether or not it's funny. This is like really one of the last movies that was like, okay, it's going to take all of these chances, these gigantic swings. And if it's funny, it's going to work. But it can't just be funny now. It has to, there has to be more than that. You have to consider a lot of things before you put script to screen and then put it out. Or else people going to not fuck with it. They're going to sub-arrange it before it even gets to the thing. Unless you're a stand up. If you're a stand up, it can still work. But even as a stand up though, you have this almost sectioned off group of people who just came to see you. The movies, I think people react differently to them because they, I don't know why people still feel like that every movie is supposed to be for everyone. They don't feel like that way about stand ups. It's almost like if you go to see Louis C. K. at this point, you know what you signed up for. But when a movie comes out, a lot of times people are offended because they feel like if it's in the theater, I'm supposed to be able to watch it. Yeah, and I think also it's just like, you've been selling me this movie for such a long time and it either is or isn't what I expected it to be. Well, because for a movie to get made, like a hundred people have to sign off on it, Louis, it's kind of just him. Anywood Sage is the worst. Do you have anywood sage the worst for us or did we cover everything? Oh, no, I was going to say, I thought the comedy just fell flat. It wasn't as funny as I remember it. I just, I thought, see, a rare case of Joel Trafford thunder. Joel Trafford thunder. I don't like this movie. Yeah, because it came with his podcast. No, he did the work though. Yeah, I just, you know, again, I watched it again. I think I definitely remember thinking it was funnier in 2000. Can we actually, because this is Joel's first time on the podcast, can we get a barometer of what would be a funny movie to you? Exactly. Oh, well, I mean, my favorite movie is coming to America Friday. Okay. Funny, you know what I'm saying? Oh, you know what I sound like? I always talk about Welcome Home Roscoe Jenkins because nobody fucks me. I don't have any fucking fuck with it, but yeah. Okay. You ever see that one? You've seen Welcome Home Roscoe Jenkins? 2000s. Something like that. Yeah. I think it's the early 2000s. He goes back to his family reunion. Yeah, it was in the street. What do you feel in the street? Yeah, it's 2008. 2008. 2008. I like stuff. I love it. I believe it. I believe the laugh. I like the laugh. But I didn't know if you were going to be like, to me, Rushmore is funny, you know? Yeah. I mean, I like a lot of the, what's it called, like the Best In Show? Yeah. Like that kind of stuff. Christopher Gess moves. Yeah, I love this stuff. You know, this one just, and look, I like Anchorman. Like Anchorman's funny. Yeah. Step Brothers. If you put Step Brothers on right now, I will not give up. We got the idea. Okay. You know, we, I'm just fast-farting to other people. Like, why'd you have the guy that's like, Tropic Thunder 3 Watchables? But you know, we had this conversation with about, with something about Mary about its legacy. This is a complicated movie. Beyond, it's legacy beyond just like whether it was funny or not. Right. And you just mentioned two movies that I feel like have a way bigger, like sort of mind share of like the current movie going public with Anchorman and Step Brothers are way bigger than Tropic Thunder. I also think they're better movies. Yeah. I think that, I think they have a much longer tail. Okay. But I'll also say there's one, there's a reason why, because those movies edit for television better. There's another reason like my kids didn't like Tropic Thunder, try to shock by it. I get it. It's an edgier movie. It's a satire of like 19. They were just out. Yeah. But they fucking love Anchorman and Step Brothers. Yeah. Those movies are more, I mean, there's some, you know, but those movies edit for television better than those are more accessible films. Outside of Downey, did you think, I mean, I'm not, I don't, people are going to get mad at me, but that's fine. Did you think it, outside of Downey, did it seem like, like, it's like, it's like, it seemed like smart, funny to you though? Like, you were just like, oh wow, that was some really complicated, you know, you really thought- I thought that the simple jack- The sea of the first like hour of the movie, and especially like the trailers, the Maria Menuno section, Pac and Grossman, like all that first bit run through the Hollywood stuff is pretty- She's funny. Yeah, I'm moving on. At the end of it, she goes, something like that. She's funny. Like, all of that stuff leading up to it to me is really, really high level satire going on. Like, the iconic part you're overacting, where- Jack Black. Jack Black. Yeah. Dermot King. Ben's Choice for Reflex. Okay. A list. Five movies not getting greenlit in 2026. Number five, our namesake movie, The Ringer. Have you ever seen this? Yeah, that was problematic when it happened. That's Johnny Knoxville, right? It's Johnny Knoxville. We had a big debate about whether we named The Ringer the Ringer, wondering if The Ringer, the movie would overshadow us with Google, and guess what, it did not. I almost cost you so much money by calling the website Chase the Night. Yeah. I was just almost there. Chase the Night. But it's like, we tried for two years, Chris. I gotta pull the vlog. Yeah, seriously. These are the five movies we're not making. Number four, Tropic Thunder. I don't know if with all this stuff like that, the movie intact the way it is, gets greenlit today. I don't know if they make it. Number three, Juana Man. Really? Oh, man. Not gonna happen. You're not in this day and age, you're gonna have a movie where a guy goes and dominates the W-E-B-A because he's a guy. We're having too many conversations. The W is coming too far. That's right. It's not gonna happen. That's right. Number two, I think, could easily be number one. It's an easy one. The Birth of a Nation. Like the new Birth of a Nation. The second one. The old one. The 1915 Birth of a Nation. Yeah, we're not doing that right now. I think that would have been the case. They played it in the White House. People were happy to go see it. All right, so I would gotta say right now. That's because they were like, I can't believe a train is moving, right? That is partly true, also because they was fucking with that shit. They might, I mean, they might have that shit. That would go over there right now. There might be a four-carat who's sitting around in the White House now. Number one, despite the fact that we have tried on this podcast to change the legacy of this movie, there's no way Soul Man happens in 2026. Soul Man is an impossible movie. It's lack of availability is probably a test to try it. So Soul Man is number one. I think Soul Man would cause a riot. Who's gonna be rioting? Not just everybody. I think all people riot. Do you think it would? Because actually, I mean, ultimately, the God finds out that racism is a real thing. Do you think it because of that? The people are like, what? We can't get to that point. I'm trying to say that we can't get to that point. At the end of Soul Man, Soul Man rounds out with him discovering just how terrible it is. But see, Thomas Howell, the entire movie has, it's just not gonna happen. I would like to throw in the crying game into this talk. Interesting. I think people would fucking lose their minds now. They would have intentionally spoiled the secret. I think that movie gets sub-breed and annihilated. It's actually a good one. Yeah. People would have been really mad at that movie. I'm trying to make, like, just on twists alone. I mean, I know why you're saying crying game, but I wonder whether or not if you tried to pitch Fight Club now, would they just be like, yeah, but we're not gonna be able to keep it a secret. Like, there's just too many people writing about movies. There's too many people who see movies too early. And they'll be like, make sure you stick around for the last 20 minutes of this, you know, like. Yo. Really tough. What a profile. Have we lost, would Fight Club not work today? The ability to keep a secret, we've lost. Blair Witch is dead. No way. Doesn't work. Like, Fight Club completely does not work in any way as a movie or as an experience. I remember when my homies was first putting me on Fight Club because I hadn't seen the theaters, they were happy to, like, not spoil it. Yeah. They would tell you, I can't tell you what's going on and they just made you, I don't know if that would exist now. It would be all over. It's kind of like what they did with the drama almost. I love Fight Club. American History X? Oh, they could still make that one. Yeah. I think that one could still get made. Okay. The CR, thanks, Luke Wilson. Could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? What do you have, CR? This movie did to platoon what Walkard did to music biographies. I tried watching Platoon this weekend and I need a little bit more distance from Tropic Thunder to like watch Keith David. Yeah. Like, you know, like we're going home, brother, you know, like it's just too close. And all the shots that they had, like there's so many one-for-one shots from like Platoon in Tropic Thunder. So I think it kind of deflated the ball a little bit. My heart is saying is this is legitimately the only time I have purely and sincerely, not even a half of percent at all been offended by Black Panther. This looks bad. I'm like, I'm just like, I know that this looks bad. I just, I want to, I want to have been offended by that in this movie more. I want to be, I interrogate myself, but as many times as I've watched it, as many times as I've seen it, I just have never even a little bit been offended by the usage of it in this there's no blackface. If you do it, I'm going to get on your motherfucking ass, stop with the goddamn Halloween costumes. It's not a tribute to Beyonce. I can't like all of that stuff. But in this movie for whatever reason, it's just never offended me. Oh, that's some real shit. I want to agree with him. It is not, it had to be as good as it was for it to meet that bar. And I'm just going to say like, all right, I'm going to give Lincoln a side with the chance. It's also like if he had been doing, like, if he had been doing anything that was like contemporary, like if he tried to kick hip hop language in it or anything like that, it would just blown up in his face. So when he did the Saucer and Sanitone thing, that's why they had Brandon's character go right back. It's like, OK, you're leaning into the shit. You do a little too much right now. Too many times in between takes. But that was the joke all the time. The joke was, what do you mean you people? Like they continuously remind you over and over and over again that the absurdity of this is that people take roles like this. The absurdity is that this is not so far out of the realm of what has happened or what did happen. So I don't know. I just got it. What do you have? That was it. I mean, actually, I'm not offended by the blackface at all. And I get, I thought that performance was... That's not your how to steak. What's that? Do you have a how to steak? That's the how to steak. Oh, you both had that. Yeah, no. You separately came to the same how to steak. I was not offended by the blackface at all because I get, I think, this is my first time in front of a watchable's audience, right? And I know there's a lot of people on Reddit or whatever. It's like, oh, that guy's a gangster. Let's go. But anyway, I can laugh. It's just like that. You know what I mean? I think that's funny. Oh, they're going to love you. If you're going to be racist, like at least be funny with your shit, dog. And like, I felt like... Yeah. Like, be come, come, correct. I mean, I'm not even going to talk about some of the shit I like on Twitter sometimes. I'm just like, oh man, you know, sometimes Nick Fuentes... Oh, no. Yeah. Something like that. Something like that. Say some shit. I'm like, I don't... I don't fuck with you. I don't like you. We would never be cool. But I was like, that's kind of funny though, dog. Do you want me to try and get out of this or do you want me to do it? We can move on. Let's do it. Let's do how would Van get out of this one right now? Do it like a top ten blackface? You don't think Nick Fuentes is funny? Don't tell the fuck out of my face with that one. You said it, but... Shut up, dog. Hey, but like... I never wish we were live on Netflix before. All right. I'm going to try to follow that one. My hat is take... I think you could switch four actors, the parts of this, and it's a better movie. Oh. I think you could switch McConaughey and Stiller. And I think you could switch Jack Wack and Bill Hader. And I think the movie's better. So Stiller... In that Tom Cruise... So Stiller's the agent. Yeah, and the Tom Cruise... Oral history. Yes. Stiller was going to play the agent. And I think McConaughey is the lead. I think it would have been really fun. Because I... My issue with this is it feels very zoo-landery, the character. It feels like a Stiller character I've seen before. He's just like more jacked. Whereas McConaughey, I would have been interested. But I think Hader and the Jack Wack part, when it was like... We hadn't really had Hader yet. We'd had Jack Wack around for like 12 years at that point. I think Hader just would have added some improv stuff. I just think it would have been better. If you switch McConaughey out of Peck, though, you don't get... Rum tum tum or nuts. It's Pecker. What do you think? Did that break your brain with that, Craig? McConaughey has tug, I think, really works. Hader, the physicality that Jack Wack brings, I do think adds some sparkle to the movie. It's just them walking through the jungle for like an hour. Jack Wack does kind of bring that farly energy that I do think kind of unique. Casting what ifs. Stiller wanted Keanu as tug. Didn't happen. Really? He was going to play Rick Peck and Keanu was going to be tug. Keanu's tug is... I don't know. I don't know if that one would have worked. Keanu might be one of the hardest actors to assign roles to like this. Right. It's like... You talk about Robert Downey Jr. spending 15 years playing Iron Man. I feel like Keanu's been John Wick for like 15 years. I think it was like 2014 or 2013 or something like that. He's in that Aziz movie as an angel or whatever. And he's in the John Hill movie. It's one of those guys that when casted perfectly is perfect. Utah, Speed, John Wick, Shane Falco, Shane Falco, Shane Falco works, and even in parenthood. Hardboat guy, smoking, gambling, little league coach. Kevin Hart turned down Al Pochino. Did he want to play gay character? Yeah. That's right. Some tough research on this one. He admitted though. I mean, he said it's on my own insecurity along those lines, but still it's just kind of going on. And then Most Def turned it down because he wanted to change a character to an R&B musician. He didn't want to make fun of rap. Really? So in an up-and-up fan talk today. But did you get the sense that he was a rap star? Like, I don't know. I felt like that was the one thing that was kind of missing. I felt like he was like more like Nick Cannon or something. Yeah. He almost felt like he was a rap star five years ago who would now be coming. Nick Cannon is a rap star. Yeah. This was sad. So Cruz vacated Rick Peck, Owen Wilson gets cast, and then Owen Wilson had that Meltdown 07, Suicide Attempt 7, dropped out, Matthew McConaughey comes in. So McConaughey was the third choice, which is kind of where he was in his career. Yeah. Best that guy award? I don't know. I have Yvette Nicole Brown as Peck's assistant. It goes on to become a star community. I think Yvette Nicole Brown is Yvette Nicole Brown, no? Now she is. I'm using a more of a like, oh, like the background player, and then it's like she's like got one shot where she's like, is like hanging up the phone. Oh, I see. Like at that time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, oh yeah. I just love seeing him. Christopher Walken is that guy. Interesting. Re-casting couch. I did mine in my hottest take. Did you have any? Not really. Okay. Craig did his flex. We're moving to half fast internet research. You did Dion? Dion, why you do Dion? That's kind of easy, right? I didn't do Dion. Jesus. Well, it's Cruz. It's kind of Tom Cruz. Tom Cruz, right? Yeah. Are you test driving the ride? No, I had something for possibly an answerable questions, but I'll bring it up for Dion. It's not necessarily that less is in this movie too much for Dion, which is like a sliding kind of barometer sometimes. What would happen if there was just one less Grossman scene? Is it, does it become like one of the great one scene cameos of all time? You don't love Grossman. There's a little bit of you. No, I think Grossman is incredible on the fuck your own face one. And I like, you have to get a binding resolution. So you say three scenes that for. I think it's two returns and it almost feels like midway through there like, man, this is incredible. We got, we got to do another Grossman scene. Yeah. I think that it was probably Cruz's commitment to it. Tom's having a lot of fun. How much juice can we get? It should have been Alec Baldwin and Clint Gary. It should have just been like, I'm speechless after that one scene. Yeah. Maybe that should have been my hasty. Fuck you. That would have been a good one. Yeah. I mean, you could say he just could have been the one scene in the end, but then we don't get him negotiating with the. That seems great. When he goes, lots of money. Yeah. I thought the third scene was like really good. At the, at the very end, like that was probably a little bit too much. And then he's dancing through the credits. But how do you guys feel about the dance to the credits? It was kind of. See like as a 14 year old, I love that shit. I like shit like that for credits. Yeah. Half-assed. They filmed in Hawaii and Kauai. It's the first movie in Kauai in five years. This is, this is the beginning of people being like, you know, it's cool living in Hawaii for a long time. This is when Adam Sandler really figured it out. Like family friend vacation, Hawaii, tropical location. Like shooting here. He got married down there too. Still. So I'm bet that was just like. Yeah. Yeah. Now Glover big Kauai guy. Yeah. Yeah. We mentioned most of the stuff except still where Downey and Black appeared on the seventh season finale of American Idol as the Pips performing with Gladys Knight. And they just before the movie came out, they promoted the shit out of this movie. They went everywhere. They did every show. They did American Idol shit. Vance got Rick Baker designed and created the Downey makeup. Rick Baker. That's another guy. Did he do the fatties as well? He probably did everything. I wonder if he did the hands. He probably did the hands. Yeah. Who is like the second best Rick Baker? Yeah. If it's not him, who is the who? If you can't get Rick Baker. John Williams. But then who is the other guy who is almost as good as John Williams? Am I Hans Zimmer? No. No. Jerry Goldsmith. If you can't get Rick Baker, who is the second Rick Baker? I don't know. It feels like Rick Baker just annihilated everybody. I think it's Stan Winston. Oh, Stan Winston. Stan Winston. Yeah. Stan Winston is way up there. Can I swing right there? CR mentioned the mockumentary, Reign of Badness. Downey, one and a half to two hours of makeup. And then they wanted, did you see the thing about how they wanted Nolte's character to be revealed like Quint Jaws? And they decided it was too many homages. And then Hader said he went into audition for Tropic Thunder. It's Stan Winston, Black. He kind of got a shell silver thing going on. He got a little situation happening. No, are we tripping about this? Stan Winston? No, I don't think it's like a... He kind of like, maybe he's just a little red here. Go back to the last one. Oh, the one on the same. Like, oh, you miss it out of Greyview? Look at that. I don't know. I don't think so. Because I think I would have known. It's funny because when you said Stan Winston, I was like, Stan Winston's a black ass name. This looks like black names. Like, you can look at it right there. Go to some more images. Okay, hold on, Doug. Oh, shit. I don't know, bro. Look at that. I don't know, bro. That's a black man, bro. I'ma claim them, though. All right, cool. Stan Winston. Shell Silverstein, man. I shouldn't have said anything. I'm looking at him. I don't think that he is, but... Bro, Doug, look at that. Look at that. It's not nothing. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, no, no. He's kind of coming around. We lost him. We lost him. We had him. We lost him. You had him for five seconds. Look at that. That's how you go on the sun. Maybe it depends on that. Some little light skin that shows up a little bit more. Hater, the last one is Hater went to audition for Tropic Thunder and saw a possible cruise playing Les Grossman and then all of a sudden was like, this is the most important addition of my life. I've gotten to know this and was really nervous. Apex Mountain. Ben Stiller, no. Downey were in the ballpark. Oh, eight. Because Iron Man's got about a pound. Same year. Unless you were to say it was the in-game time because he's the biggest star, but this is... Vietnam War parodies. Would you go... What was the Charlie Sheen one? Hot Shots. Yeah, Hot Shots. No, I would say this. We're done with Vietnam now, right? Yeah. I wonder if it'll ever come back like World War II. Like World War II is such an unambiguous, like it's us versus evil, but people crave like war stories. They crave the band of brothers experience. Cruise now. Jack Black now. Brandon T. I should have asked him when you were on the phone with him earlier. I'll call him right now. Do it. I'll call him right now. Blind call to Brandon. It's kind of an awkward call. If you're going to call me, I'll call Sasha Gray. This was Tropic Thunder, your Apex Mountain. This is kind of his life. But he's using a lot of big movies. Blind call to Sasha Gray. If you're going to call anybody, like... Tropic Thunder, prepare together. Jay Barrichel? What was his big breakout joint? What was the name of the movie? He's the lead of Undeclared, right? I think this was the biggest thing he's been in. I don't know if I'm chilling on the show. I mean, he's getting this to the end too. He's getting this to the end. Trying to look up a million dollar baby. Him is dangerous. I would live with him. His fucking shit is how to train your dragon. How to train your dragon? That dude's caking. He's the man. So he's the lead in how to train your dragon. Is he not? I mean, yeah. It's all a decade. I was surprised he wanted to move back to Canada. And this is the end. Apparently, that was based on real life, right? That whole relationship between all of them. McConaughey, no. Hater, no. Politically incorrect, but got away with it somehow. Comedy's probably still blazing saddles. Yeah. And that was like the biggest comedy in the 70s. Yeah, I'm tall. But yeah. I mean, 48 hours. But so, but you know, like think about it. All of these movies, every single one. Like, Ringer on Earth, Animal House, all of them, they're all insanely politically incorrect. Yeah. I didn't have them on a list because the premises aren't, like, you know, but like, I don't know. I guess so. Crews or hanks? A rare, Crews, by the way, is 18-3 watchables. Just extending his lead. He's four above the next guy. I love it. How many Crews movies have we not done? There's a few. We may have. We got to 25. What are the ones? The lab. I'm actually a big Valkyrie guy. I love it. I don't understand. I never understood the hate. Maybe I think people were just, there are a couple of movies in there that people just didn't like him anymore. Like, Valkyrie's one of them. Obviously, Edge of Tomorrow is one of them. I think there are some movies that would have flown when he was on top. Like, I think Oblivion would have flown. I think there's a couple of movies in there that people were just like, Vanilla Scar, what did you think of Vanilla Scar? I mean, it's a good movie. But like, I think Reacher is the number one for me with this. The people were just like, we're just done with them. If the movie was cool, we're just not fucking with Tom Cruise. It was also like, the whole idea was he was supposed to be 6'5". They didn't like that either. Scorsese or Spielberg? Spielberg. Spielberg? I think so. I would say Scorsese. I want to hear what you guys said. I really could not think of you. I just, all the heroin and the last... He just came in and it's like Scorsese. I think it would be a darker movie of Scorsese. What's the funniest Scorsese's ever been? Wolf of Wall Street. Wolf. That's very funny. Good fellas. Hey look, I found a wing. You want the breast of the wing? It's his hoof. Pick a nits. So Steve Coug in the director, his plan was to... He filmed a whole bunch of stuff and then got rid of everything he filmed. Yeah, this is the biggest nitpick. He's going to put cameras in the jungle and this is going to work. But he's got like, high eight camcorders. And we're just, this is what we're going to do with five-time Oscar winner Kirk Lazarus. What was his plan? Well also, can I just... I'm confused because four leaf at the beginning they say, so there were 10 people in this unit, four people wrote books, three going to publish, two get and two get movies out of that, right? Yeah. Didn't nobody know he was a fraud before then? Right. I mean, they didn't say this people had died. So nobody was like, hey man, you aren't there, what the fuck are you talking about? Figure that would happen. It probably would happen, but there was a little bit of a... I think people got away with a lot back then. I had, I don't know why Tug kills a panda. I don't understand that scene at all. That was weird. Oh, because I think he's just scared that he's getting attacked by like a wild pork. Why is there a panda in Vietnam? But he loves pandas, right? And that's like the thing he loves, you know, he took a body to eat. Was there a panda in there? That's probably not even a real name. Well, I know that pandas are in Vietnam, but also like, are they fine? I don't know. I don't know. I didn't understand anything about that. Why didn't the first gorillas just kill Tug? Why'd they capture him when you just shoot him? To ransom him. They didn't know that he was ransomable. They assumed he was DEA, right? Yeah, probably once you knew. And then nobody, none of these guys died. They got shot at for two hours. Nobody died. And they're all shooting blanks. The only people that died were Bat, that panda, you know. This entire movie is a knit. Like the plot is just like, yeah, the whole movie is a knit. By the time they're walking through the jungle, like they're fake shooting a movie, it doesn't make any sense. Also, Dan, Dan is keeping that makeup on just for five straight weeks in the jungle. Nothing. It's pigmentation surgery. Yeah, surgery. But he has the other stuff that he pulls off. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's the. Can you explain, like, because his eyes blue like that naturally? Curve his eyes. Australian, when he's in Satan's alley, those eyes are fake. Those are contacts. And then his eyes are dark usually. Yeah. I had the only nitpick I have is like just Kirk Weiser is having more Oscars than Hepburn and Daniel Day-Lewis. Yeah, I would have three would have probably done the job. Maybe that was the joke. You have an nitpicks. No. Craig, you have an nitpicks. Don't you think four leaf should have died? I thought they were leading up to him sacrificing himself to be like, I'll die on the battlefield now. I mean, they just keep him alive, which kind of just made no sense. Which is probably why like the third act feels a little bit like, like I just do not understand what he is. Yeah, there's no consequences to it. I think they're probably rushing through the last half hour of this. Sequel, prequel, prestige to be all black cast are untouchable. Which is what he's TV's prestige TV is mildly interesting to me. It's probably untouchable because I don't know if we can touch it. It's untouchable the same way plutonium is untouchable. I don't know. I mean, I guess that's what Scorcher 7 comes in for me. It's just like he's moving on. You know, this is the next project. He's won his Oscar. So what do we do with Scorcher 7 after Global Meltdown? Maybe it's like a, like a. I would do Scorcher 7. They go to another planet. Oh, yeah. Scorcher 7. Like Interstellar. Scorcher 3 though. Is that okay? Yeah. They go to another planet. Um, is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the flora, Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols or someone else? I like the idea is if Pasaway played like Grossman, you're going to have to call the fucking United Nations and get a fucking binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you. I'm talking scorched earth motherfucker. I will massacre you. I will fuck you up. The chemical way. And then he hangs up and goes, find out who that was. I had, um, I think now should have been in this. There was some simple jack for a round. Nell and where it could have been like Nell 2. When they're talking about possible Academy Awards and we could have gotten a rom-com like they're. Oh man. Another movie Joe. Now. Jody Foster going to that's Jody Foster in the, in the woods. Jody Foster plays a woman who was like raised in the wild. Bro. Nell made, Nell made $106 million. Yeah, we used to really do it on the, on the pod. What the fuck are you fucking insane? That and regarding him, the drama is an hour comedy. That can't be right. That was another one that paved the way for simple jack by the way. Damn. That was just being in the forest and be crazy. Hold on. Nell made 30 to 6, 33 million domestic. For some reason the world was fucking with Nell like crazy. People in intrusion, forest Asia. And France loves Jody Foster. So yeah. When I was in the newspaper, the person did a story on this woman who was raised by wolves. Like she was like, and then became a big story. I do a movie on that. They never, they ever do a movie. That sounds like something that should be kind of moving. I mean, Nell was just like they find her in like the caves. Yeah. Right. She was raised by something. I got to have a, I have a fire now. We'll crank it up. Yeah. Probably an answerable questions. Why do you think crews didn't do more Dan waiters type three day roles? I always wonder about this with some of the most famous like, would it have killed Leo to done this like twice? You know, Denzel, all the biggest stars we have. It's just a huge win if they pick the right movie and they just fly into the wrong movie. Yeah. Is that what it is? It's just a fear of, yeah. But I mean, also, I mean, these are people that really do take that craft very seriously too. Like it's just not fucking around. So maybe that it could, I wonder if it's just something. They were asking to Caprio to be in Cliff Booth and he was like, no, not, not for like a day. You think Michael Jones is playing in a program? Yes. He, he, he used to. But I just think you have to be at the right point in your career. And like these guys are chasing each other in terms of prestige and a miscalculation kind of looks bad. I always like to see it. So like Shalamet right now, just popping in a movie for two days that ends up being hit. Brad Pitt will do it. Yeah. Matt Damon will do it. Yeah. Matt Damon love. Matt Damon loves to do it. He's in Euro trip for reasons that remain unclear with a shaved head. But here's the deal though, like, and he shows up in some of the Marvel stuff is funny. But when you're in, when you're watching Euro trip and he's up there to me, he looks so cool. Yeah. Just popping into that movie. But there's a difference between like what he does in that and what he does in Interstellar. You know what I mean? Like there's like a supporting role and then there's like a 10 minute like cameo. Yeah. The interstellar thing is actually like a really super important part of a very serious movie. So what do you got for an answer? Oh, for me? Oh, uh, I would just like to say. I would just like to know why Brandon Jackson was the guy. I'm sorry. I'm no offense to you. What happened? What happened to his career after this? Yeah. I just like would I mean why didn't I mean we were just talking about all these guys have gone on. They had like another thing in like would again, I think that is that is the problem of the black actor in Hollywood. Not your boy. That's what I'm saying. It's like, you know, you because oftentimes these roles, even if you get nominated for something, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to go on. You know, so like Lupita, you know what I'm saying? It didn't it is not made her a huge star. Lupita is having a fucking fantastic career. Are you nuts? Do you think of her as like a top top bill star? Lupita is having a great career. Okay, no, I'm not saying she's not having a great career. You can have a great career and not be like a top billing actress. Right. Right. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's going to be like the roles are just not going to come to her like they do some other people. And I'm sure she would say that if you asked. Okay, I mean, look, I don't know. I'm like, like all I'm saying is. Well, you probably do know a color. That's your home girl. My own answer would be what if you were making Tropical Thunder today, what would you be lampooning? Like, and I guess it would be comic book movies. Hmm. It's not really an answer. Yeah, like MCU type of something. If I was doing it, I would lampoon the high a tour movie. The MCU is going to go further. But I think now the film that's directly that's like like an 824. Like the, yeah, kind of the 824 film bro type of movie that like everybody has to love that. I mean, honestly, the funniest thing would be to do with like a the smart list guys. Like a movie about like, yeah, some sort of big gigantic podcast. Or a movie cinematic. Where you just dive into that whole world with the celebrities that come in, but you're really making fun of a couple different things of that world. People trying to people trying to make the guests cry and the dates all that stuff. Yeah. Although Charlize talking about how she didn't want to be married and just had sex with the 26 year old and it was great. I thought that was some of the best podcast content of the year. Didn't you have Charlize on your show? I sure did. We never talked about her having sex with the younger men. That never came up. There's a different phase of her life. Yeah. She came in the office. It was most flustered. You doubt it. Was that her? Yeah. She's just nice. She just sat down, put her arm in, she was ready to roll. She was so cool. She plays big backgammon person. That's a big thing. I don't know how to play backgammon. I saw that about her. Yeah. You would learn for Charlize, I bet. Yeah. Two days in a valley. Piece of memorabilia you'd want from this movie. What do you say? Giant simple jack cardboard thing that McConaughey had. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. It seemed like simple jack was back and forth on it. It was like a picture book. You were like, amazing. If you replaced Farrah Fawcett in your house with simple jack. I was thinking about that. Then I was like, oh yeah, I can have that. But I thought it was hilarious. I do any number of the Bluetooth headsets or blackberries or like old 2008 phones. Yeah. The answer is the Qualcomm phone or the Tivo that McConaughey asked the box. I would love to have a can of booze when on my office desk. Yeah. I think that's a great one. Yeah, the original movie warm booty. Busting the bar. Busting up party. Coach Finsack, Mr. Biagi, where for best worst life lesson? Porn sets the... Yeah. Porn leaves the way. Porn leaves the way. Yeah, for sure. Best of a feature choice, CR? I had Zoolander just as like another satire by Ben Sauer. I had hot shots. Dead Presidents. Oh, good one. That's good one. I had the player. What do you have, Craig? Double feature? Yeah. I'd probably stick right in 08. Go stepbrothers right after it. Yeah, that's good. Who won the movie? Downy. Downy to me. Downy. Craig, go. I was 14 when this came out, 2008. Just like I can't... The summer of 2008, forgetting Sarah Marshall, Get Smart, Stepbrothers, Pineapple Express, Tropic Thunder and Roll Models. Crazy. Like in the year before that, had five other hits and year after that, had five more hits. No, we're 14. You're rolling. You're rolling nuts. Yeah, yeah. This was like everything in the world. Like this was just like the funniest shit ever. I mean, all of these movies, but I couldn't believe how many quotes from this movie I remembered. I haven't seen it probably 10 years and I could probably have done the whole movie from memory. I don't know. It's just fantastic across the board. What's the comedy summer of you guys' youth? It's probably closer to 84 or 86 or something like that. Mine's the 80 to 82 with Catey Shack, Blues Brothers, Airplane. Because sadly when I'm Prezzie, it's just when comedy is having a little bit of a drunken hangover. I'm more... My 14-year-old summer is probably more like another 48 hours and that's not as good. Beverly Hills Cop sequels. I'm probably like 2000-foot, so I was a big Feral fan. So like Anchorman, Taladega Nights, Step Brothers. That was my shit. I'll sit down and watch Taladega Nights. It really is just so different. Like what I expected at that age in a comedy, I mean it was just the biggest stars in the world all together on a big set just fucking around. Yeah. I mean that is so foreign to what you see today. I mean they were very much fucking around. Like I said, at the end of the movie, I mean it was just... Like yeah, just the idea of giving these guys $90 million to do those nuts. Also you kind of got to give it to Tom Cruise a little bit. Like the performance itself is very funny, but the fact that he came up with the character, wanted the... Came up with the look of the character, apparently it was his idea to play Flo Rida. It's kind of like Tom Cruise. Yeah. Okay. Plus having problems with Katie Holmes at that point. What I was going to say, he also hung out with Jamie Foxx around that time too. Oh that's right. They were all like part of the... Then Jamie moved in there. Dance like I have no comment at this time. I'm fucking with it. So what's the play now? Can I say I love Tropic Thunder? No. Of course you can. Yeah. Like if I'm like man, Downey Jr. and Tropic Thunder is hilarious. Is that fine? I mean, I can't give information. You're on your own. You might have to answer a few more follow-ups. You know what I'm saying? You think so? People are probably like, I mean you could get away from it the good way with it. The question is could Bill... If Bill is someone... Because I was 14 when I saw it? In Southie, in Charleston, and he's talking to people. And he asked Bill, what's his favorite movie? He's like, I love Downey and Tropic Thunder. I think probably at that point... You gotta be able to name a movie. ...featuring a great performance by a black person. You can't just be like, my favorite performance by a black guy is Robert Downey Jr. When Vanda is Boston, he becomes Australian. He becomes Kirk Lazarus. I don't know how to do it. You know, my favorite performance by a black guy is... You gotta shine that. My favorite performance by a black guy is J. McDaniels in the first round against... Oh, and then the Joker? Yeah. That's my favorite performance by a black guy. I love that. Vann loves when the Joker goes down. Oh, wait, is this a race theme? Are you anti-Joker? He realized what happened last weekend. Vann, Joker got eliminated. The Celtics got eliminated, and Great White freaked out at the Kentucky Derby. It's like a huge Vann Rican. Vann sees Joker as an extension of the one battle after another R-rated. That's not true. See, this is how you guys are turning the people up. That's not true. What I'm saying is I understand he's a badass motherfucker, and by the way, the success just beat me down. I just heard that he was the greatest of all time, and I was like, can't we pump the brakes on that? That's all I said. So do you think he got punked, by the way, too? When he ran up on Jaden and Jade was like... He got punked. That's the situation. He don't want to get thrown out of the game. He don't want to run over there. Don't want to run over there like you go do something. Don't want to over there. Because as he was running over there intending to kill Jaden McDaniels, I can't get thrown out for this series. And he was probably also like, oh, I just realized my brothers aren't at this game. He ran too far, and while you're running, you're thinking if he was being shorter. And then when he got there, Jaden did not. Yeah, he did not. He was like, Jaden was like, oh, dawg, we about to fight. If you come up in your yoga, it's just like nah. If it beat him to run over, he just would have run into him and then fallen down. Man, it would be so sad. The first call. You letting him get that off? You let him get that off? You beat him. You beat him. I'll do a Twitch stream later where I address it. Yeah. Play by play. Look at this. They let everybody else push off. What about me? I can't push off? My favorite year ever where I played by myself and Jaden wasn't there. I hate my rockets so much that I don't even care that your lakers weren't. That's tough. That's it for the rewatchables. Thanks for doing this. Thanks for having me on. Thanks to Gahon Eduardo and the back as well. Thanks to Joe. Great to see you. Great to see you, buddy. That was awesome. Thanks for having me on, man. You can hear Joe on the press box and watch him and on Ringgit Tailgate, the best ringer podcast that we have. Wow. At least in the top 40. At least in the top 40. Bottom quarter, I think, at least. It's good college football season ahead. A lot of good arguments coming. You say football's a return. Arch Manning. Is it important for me to... 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