Bonus Episode: The Epstein Files and Every Musician Mentioned In Them (We Think)

Double Elvis Hey Discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story on this bonus episode, we're digging into all the musicians mentioned in the Epstein files, also talking a little bit about Hunter S. Thompson previewing Bob Weir in Bohemian Grove and we get into your emails, comments, DMs and as always a whole lot of rosy. This is the podcast through the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. Alright Discos, let's get into it. Okay guys, Jay-Z is in the Epstein files and Jack White, so is Kurt Cobain, Bono, Mick Jagger, Courtney Love, Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, Bruce Springsteen, both Elvis's Presley and Costello, Lisa Marie Presley, Elton John, Janice Joplin. There's a recent list that the Department of Justice put out there a couple days ago. They don't say that it's an exhaustive list of all the sort of bold face names mentioned in the Epstein files, but they kind of intimate that. The list of companies, what they say with the Department of Justice says is their final release of all of the Epstein information that DOJ had that they were compelled to release by law from Congress. It's troubling for a number of different reasons. There's a lot of rock stars on this list. And the troubling part is that people see these names and they go, oh no, Kurt Cobain, please no, Kurt Cobain, the Epstein files, I love Kurt Cobain. Like they can't be, please tell me he wasn't at Epstein Island. You know what I mean? That makes no sense. Kurt Cobain would never be at Epstein Island for a gazillion different reasons, not to mention the timing historically of everything. But a lot of people do not understand what these files are. And when you do understand what they are and what they aren't, which is just as important, you can understand how anybody's name could be in these files. We're talking about millions, millions, millions of documents. So what I want to do in this episode is I want to go through the musicians that are mentioned. And I want to just sort of tag them by the context. And what do we think of this based on the context? Because the last thing we need to be doing is running around going, oh no, Bruce Springsteen is a pedophile because he's mentioned in the Epstein files. That makes no frigging sense. Yet somehow that's the world we're in right now. On the other hand, there is some compelling information regarding some artists, some musicians, that deserves some unwrapping here in the context of the Epstein files pertaining to their culpability, their alleged guilt, their interaction with the FBI, et cetera. OK, so we're going to get into a bunch of this right now. We're going to get into a little bit more of it next week when we do the Bob Weir episode. That'll be Grateful Dead Part 3, new episode on Bob Weir and the relationship with the Epstein files. Tell us about Bohemian Grove. OK, but for right now, we're going to focus on the musicians in the Epstein files. And just before we do that little house cleaning, this week we released into the wide feed our Hunter S. Thompson episode. Hunter was not, I don't know, maybe he was in the Epstein files. I didn't search for him. I will. And this week, the Rewind episode, we're featuring our episode on the clash. So check those two out. And then next week, like I said, we're going to have our Bob Weir episode, Part 3, Grateful Dead. And when you're listening to that episode, I want to know your take on Bob Weir's involvement with Bohemian Grove. OK, I'm clearly giving you mine. I want to know yours. Do you agree with my take? Do you have your own? Do you think I'm crazy? Get at me, 617-90-6638, voicemail and text, or just hit me up at DisgraceAndPot at gmail.com to let me know. Back to musicians, rock stars in the Epstein files. First of all, what are the Epstein files and what aren't the Epstein files? All right, what the files are, they are literally millions upon millions of government documents that the Department of Justice has in its or had, I guess, because they've made it public. So now we all have it. And there's some debate over whether or not they've released everything. I personally cannot tell. I have no idea. I don't understand it. OK, I'm just saying that right now. But I want to do understand there's millions and millions and millions of government documents that have been released by the Department of Justice pertaining to disgraced financier and convicted sex offender and friend to many, many, many powerful and famous people, Jeffrey Epstein. These Epstein files, what they're not is a definitive sort of case closed. Here's the file. Here's what happened. You know, it's not even close to that. In fact, it's the exact opposite of that. What the files are, they're there. They include a gazillion emails to and from Jeffrey Epstein to his friends, many of them bold face names that you've heard of, plus his texts. And they also include a mass. The files also include a massive trove of documents and reports from Department of Justice officials, mainly FBI agents on Jeffrey Epstein, plus email and text exchanges between agents discussing Epstein, discussing the case, discussing the investigation. Now included in these conversations are FBI agents discussing Jeffrey Epstein's victims and the victims' allegations. A lot of these victims are anonymous. Their names are redacted. And again, it's important to remember that at the point these conversations in the Epstein files are taking place, they're just, in a lot of cases, they're just conversations. So just because a couple of FBI agents are discussing criminal allegations, that does not mean, in some cases anyways, that any evidence has been collected to substantiate the claims. Okay. Imagine a cop show. FBI agents talking about something they're investigating. That's essentially what a lot of this is. Okay. This, the Epstein files are a lot. It's just a dump. It is a dump of information, a massive amount of information. And there's very little sort of like, nothing's really wrapped in a bow or has been wrapped in a bow. Okay. To the extent that there's an investigation, I mean, I don't even know what it is. The guy was in jail. He was going to go on trial. He's dead. You know, now it's just like, release the files, release the files. The files come out. And it's just like, we're just like being waterboarded with information. And it's like, okay, Bono's name and Kurt Cobain's name, Bruce Springsteen and Janice Joplin and R. Kelly, Jay-Z, you know what I mean? It's like, but what does it all mean? Well, like I said, there's a certain amount of people out there who think that just because their names, people's names are in these files, that that means that they're guilty. To guilty is something. You know, and in some cases, maybe they are, but in a lot of cases, they aren't. And this isn't meant to be something where I'm defending these rock stars because I'm a fan of rock music or whatever or these artists. That's not what this is. I'm just trying to make this mess a little bit cleaner for us to understand. So let's get a couple of facts out of the way real quick. For the record, Jeffrey Epstein was convicted in 2008 of procuring a child for prostitution and for soliciting prostitution. He did some time, cushy time, like real cushy time. In 2019, Epstein was arrested and charged with sex trafficking and he died in prison officially from suicide, but unofficially, come on. Back to my point, just because an individual is mentioned in the Jeffrey Epstein files, that doesn't really mean anything. Context is everything. Context is everything. Okay. So many people are mentioned, lots of them famous and powerful. Some of them guilty as sin, though most of them are innocent, just on balance, law of averages. We're talking 3 million documents or something like that. For this conversation, I'm focused on the musicians mentioned in the files. All right. If you want information on the rich and powerful from the Epstein files, talking about torture videos and talking in code about pizza and grape soda, you can get my thoughts on that in next week's Grateful Dead episode on Bob Weir, like I mentioned. Okay. That episode, that episode looks at the connection between the Epstein files and Bohemian Grove. This episode looks at the musicians in the files and like all the names in the files, I believe that some of these people are guilty and some of them are innocent. And just to note, the title of this episode is the Epstein files and every musician mentioned in them. Like, it would be impossible. It would take years to list all of the musicians mentioned in the Epstein files. In part because the files include emails Epstein receives from publicists and events and venues that are advertising concerts and shows. Okay. So like, I mean, come on, you could literally be like, who's a beloved musician? Ringo Starr. You could literally find Ringo Starr's name in the Epstein files as part of some venue advertisement. And you could factually claim that Ringo Starr is in the Epstein files. It doesn't mean shit is my point. However, some of these names, some of these mentions do in fact, may in fact, I should say mean, mean shit, mean some things. Okay. Justice.gov slash Epstein slash search. That's where you can go. Anyone can go. That's where I went. I went to the Epstein files. It's pretty fascinating. Now, not only did I search for the rock stars and the musicians on the actual list that the Department of Justice released over the past weekend, but I also did keyword searches. I search for musician. I search for rock star. To my knowledge, the musicians we're going to discuss here are the prominent musicians, the household names, if you will, that are mentioned in the files. And there's a ton of musicians also in some of these emails with Epstein that who you'd likely never heard of. It's kind of sad actually. They're hitting him up for cash, trying to get on his radar, kissing his ass. Some he responds to. Some he not only offers to help, but he does indeed help, offers to pay this one woman. I'm presuming her name is redacted. She signs the email with kisses. So I'm assuming it's a woman musician who's in some sort of competition and Epstein offers to, to pay, pay her cash, 10 grand in cash. If she advances, she's clearly interested in that. There's another musician, a guy who's of some note who I've never heard of before, piano player. I'm not going to mention his name because I don't want to impugn the guy in any way. And anyways, Epstein is quite taken with his playing and he, he, he emails the president of Bard University on behalf of this musician to get him on the radar for who knows what. But this is what Epstein, this is what Epstein did. He connected people. He made that his business. He was a sex trafficker. Yes. And I know there's some debate over, over, over that, over whether or not he was actually trafficking women, depending on what the actual definition of sex trafficking is. I don't give a fuck what the official definition of sex trafficking is. It's very clear from these files that Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking women. Okay. He's also trafficking star fuckers and celebrities. This is a great article I read in Fortune magazine over the weekend and it talks, it's, they quote one of the people who worked for, for Epstein at his home in New York, I believe, and, and they talk about these events that he would hold where he basically had the same, the same path, the same group of people, types of people for these, you know, afternoon meetings or, or morning meetings. And it would be Epstein. It would be somebody famous from the world of arts and culture, you know, like a Robert De Niro or a, I'm not saying Robert De Niro specifically, but an actor, an actress, etc. Or a musician in some cases. You know, someone like you'd walk in the room, you'd be like, oh, shit, that guy, damn, I'm having coffee with this guy. All right. I didn't know that. And then there'd be somebody like a tech, a tech titan of industry, like a Bill Gates type, you know, somebody big, like, or, or, you know, even like, like some big kind of influencer in sort of the, the health space or the tech space, like a Peter or Tia, something like that. And then there'd be a beautiful woman, young woman, typically of age, but still young, 19 ish. And she would be laser focused on the final person at the meeting who would be the mark, the person that Epstein was trying to bring into his circle for whatever reason, usually somebody of note. Okay. And that the woman would, you know, have her laser focus on this person. And, you know, lots of things happened. Sometimes I was actually reading an article about this sort of like honey trap structure that Epstein had. And the person sniffed it out and didn't fall for it. But this happened a lot. You can read about it in the files. You read a lot in the files. Just go to, like I said, justice.gov slash Epstein slash search. But again, Epstein, my point, Epstein, unlike anyone I've ever come across in any of my research, just a major networker and star fucker, who can literally consider himself a master of the universe. And he was connected to people at the highest, highest levels. Okay. So, you know, for us, you know, Mick Jagger is like the highest level, but I'm talking about like Sultans. I'm talking about Bill Gates, et cetera, that level, huge Elon Musk. Okay. And again, just because the name is in here, just because these people may have been in contact with this guy, you got to look at the context. And that's what we're going to do. So again, there are a ton of musicians in these files. And we're going to go through just the bigger names. Okay. Mick Jagger, Michael Jackson, Kurt Cobain, Bruce Springsteen. I even searched Chester Bennington. All right. And Chris Cornell. All right. We're going to discuss each mention of every prominent musician in the Epstein files. We come back right after this. It is not hard to destroy a college. Last season, the podcast Campus Files brought you stories of fraternity drug rings, stolen body parts, campus cults and more. And now Campus Files is back for another season. There's a guy screaming into his phone. He's like, I just saw Charlie Kirkus assnade it right in front of me. Every week is a new episode and a new story. It's so chaotic. It's almost like a university on a siege. Listen to and follow Campus Files available now wherever you get your podcasts. All right, guys, given how much information there is here in this topic for this, this bonus episode, I usually do. Right here at the top of the C block, I usually do your, your voicemails and texts and emails. We're going to do that later. We're going to do that in the D block. Okay. I'm going to dive back in here to Mr. Epstein and his musical friends. First of all, a lot of you, I assume, are going to be disappointed to know that neither Chester Bennington or Chris Cornell are in the Epstein files in any way. Okay. So conspiracy theorists make what you will out of that, not one mention for either artists. All right. I'm going to blast through these names, these mentions, and I'm going to give you some context. Now, keep in mind the year 2008, that's important because everything that Jeffrey Epstein does after 2008, he's doing as a known convicted sex offender, one who was sentenced and again, who did time, I'll be it cushy time, very cushy time for procuring child prostitution. Everyone who came in contact with Jeffrey Epstein after 2008 and everybody he contacted after 2008 presumably knew this information. I mean, how could they not? All right. Now, first of all, Elton John, Elton John is mentioned in the files and the context it appears to me is that Jeffrey Epstein is trying to scam his way into Elton's 2014 Academy Awards viewing party. The email exchange flows from, uh, from a couple of different women who appear to be publicists working on Epstein's behalf, one of whom is Peggy Siegel, a PR juggernaut. Okay. In these emails, she claims to be emailing David Furnish directly Elton's husband. And it appears that Epstein got his wish. He was given passes to the event because the, the exchange, the email exchange goes on to talk about dress code for the event and all types of stuff. So that's interesting. 2014. The one thing that makes it makes very clear here, Jeffrey Epstein in no way suffered socially from his conviction in 2008. I mean, things were just chugging along for this guy on the social circuit after he was a known convicted sex offender. Mind blowing. Speaking of the publicist's Peggy Siegel, there are numerous emails from Siegel to Epstein while Epstein is locked up. Now these emails are Siegel keeping her client informed on the social happenings in their circle. It is name, drop a palooza. Okay. As you would expect from a publicist and it's written in a way that makes it obvious that Epstein was a grade A star fucker of the highest order. Here's an email from Siegel to Epstein talking about taking in Jack White's new movie, it might get loud, among other things. And again, this is, this is after 2008. This is 2009. This is not the 2000 post 2019 Epstein arrest incarceration where he's arrested by the feds. This is again after the procuring a child prostitute. Okay. To it's got Epstein's email from Peggy Siegel dated August 4th, 2009. Title Hamptons past weekend. Can you leave state? Can you leave country? My whereabouts Friday night, we had a screening of it might get loud. A documentary on guitar players, Jack White, the edge and Jimmy Page by Davis Guggenheim, who won the Oscar for an inconvenient truth. It poured, but Alec Baldwin hosted with director and Lisa Robinson music writer from VF Manity Fair. Number two, Saturday launch. Alan Grubman had a lunch with Nora Efron, Sir Howard Stringer, Diana Picasso, living and supporting Giles Benson, Bob Balabam, Barbara Walters. Number three, Saturday night went to lesbian wedding reception of Peter Smith's daughter. He is from Lazard and head of membership for Maidstone at his sagaponic home hysterical uptight wasp, toasting lesbians. Perfect. Number four, lame outdoor screening at Liz Swig's alcoholic daughter of Maclo of every little step in sagaponic for film society of Lincoln Center stopped by for business only with Philip Seabor Hoffman. Number five, dinner at Jimmy Buffett's in North Haven. Lauren Michaels, Richard Geer, Jimmy Roger Waters, Donna Karen. Very cool. Number six, Sunday dinner across the street from Bob Balabam, where I was staying at Sandy Gallans for David Geffen, Nora, Barbara Walters, Luke. Jesus Christ, man. Kelly Klein, Marty Klein, Marcy Klein, excuse me, lots of pretty young boys. Very well done. Everyone talks about David's 500 foot boat and who gets invited. Present trip has Sandy Gallan, Nora Efron and Nick. Nora is a catch wrangler. She got Tom Hanks who got Bruce Springsteen and Oprah is coming too. What a group there on the med for three weeks, almost as chic as a week on Lady Joy with Denise Rich, not complaining, just making you smile. XOXO peg that is nauseating, nauseating, nauseating. This fucking guy in jail or a lock up white collar lock up, whatever he was, wherever he was doing his time. I think he even got to go to his office during business hours that first time down in Palm Beach when he was quote unquote incarcerated. Anyhow, receiving updates from his publicist on all the star fucking that he's missing. I just like I read that. I found that humorous because I just like that. She mentions Jack White. All right. OK, moving on. Elvis Costello is in the files. And again, if you see anything that pops up and says Elvis Costello is in the Epstein files, do not fear. There's a bio, there's a biography and pretty extensive one. It's like six page six pages from what appears to be 2011. And there's no other context that I can find. Just literally just a six page PDF biography of Elvis Costello in the Jeffrey Epstein files. Now onto a little bit more meat. Mick Jagger, and this is where it gets problematic. Mick Jagger is in the files. OK, there's a photo of him at a Clinton Foundation dinner seated next to both Jeffrey Epstein and Glam Maxwell at different times. And there's no indication of the year from these photos. All right. And the best I can tell is that the event was held after Epstein was publicly known to be a petto. So after 2008, however, I can't confirm that. It's just I can't. But there's no there's nowhere in the files. There's nothing on the internet that I've seen. But these photos look. OK, they're digital photos. They look like they're after 2008. But again, I cannot be certain. So I'm not going to say that. And also for the context here, a little more context than you're going to get if you just see a New York Post article or whatever that says like, you know, Mick Jagger dining with Jeffrey Epstein, you know what I mean? Like this this thing. These pictures. OK, again, this is a Clinton event and it appears to be such. It doesn't appear to be an Epstein event. Again, and that matters. It's hard for me. I know that I'm walking a fine line here, but it's hard for me from this information to damn Mick Jagger here. Now, we've all been at parties where the ex con shows up and makes it weird. Haven't we? I have anyway. To be clear, just regarding Mick Jagger, and we're talking a little bit more about this, but regarding Mick Jagger, there's no indication of any criminal wrongdoing or awareness of Epstein's crimes by Jagger in the released materials from the Epstein files at all. None. OK. And I just want to say this. Having been around famous rock stars in my life, even mid level, famous rock stars or the biggest of the big doesn't matter. I can just tell you from my experience, Jeffrey Epstein seems like the exact type of dude that would repel rock stars. I'm talking about rock stars who are, you know, have fucking money and like Mick Jagger or Elton John or whoever. And it just doesn't matter. Like they stand to gain nothing. OK. These types of guys, first of all, fucking dork, total nerd. Right. What's Mick Jagger going to talk to Jeffrey Epstein about? Also, given Jeffrey Epstein's crimes, even if Mick Jagger were inclined to be into that sort of thing, he doesn't need Jeffrey Epstein. I guess what I'm saying is Mick Jagger can have his own sex trafficking ring. Should he want one? And I don't believe he does or did at all in any way. And when you look at these photos, Mick is not pleased. He's not sitting there all chummy, chummy. OK. He's sitting next to Bill Clinton. He's sitting next to Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein looks pleased as punch. He is psyched. He is starfucker pumped. OK. So again, this is problematic, but it's not completely damning. And I'm not going there. You might say I'm being an apologist for Mick Jagger. And maybe I am, but I'm just telling you what my gut tells me. Same goes for Michael Jackson and Diana Ross, both pictured on Epstein's plane. However, for context, again, the photo is here and I'm a little more certain about this. They appear to be taken before what we know about Epstein was made public before 2008. But again, I can't confirm that. I'm just telling you what it appears to be to me. OK. So it's hard for me to believe that Epstein's antics will be something that Michael Jackson would be interested in anyway. OK. For reasons that to me are obvious. But, you know, like a lot of my thoughts here, this is probably best explored in a Michael Jackson episode. I will say, however, there is information in the files indicating that Michael Jackson was expressly not interested in Epstein's young girls. OK, there's a file where Epstein said were a quote unquote victim and I say quote unquote victim because I can't tell from the files what what is legally a victim or defined as a victim and what is not. OK. But I'll just say there's a woman in the files in documentation, FBI documentation who says that she was at Epstein's Palm Beach home. Michael Jackson was there. Epstein instructs her. And again, it's important to note that this woman is under age. I should have mentioned that Epstein instructs her to give Michael Jackson a massage and she claims that Michael Jackson declined. OK, take that for what it's worth. Again, probably though, for another episode, there is so much in here. OK. But, you know, I just encourage you all to go to the Department of Justice site yourself and search this information up on your own if you're interested. You're going to you're going to find more than what I found. I mean, I spent probably three hours looking into this morning and I'm giving you the best of what I what I came up with here in the structure of the show. But it's worth viewing these primary source documents to see exactly how music and famous musicians played into Epstein's life. And actually, as I mentioned, non famous musicians as well, kissing his ass, looking for bread to support their careers and just reading other people's emails is kind of creepy, especially the emails of a dead petto master of the universe like Jeffrey Epstein. So I encourage you to check it out yourself. Now, it appears that Jeffrey Epstein found Courtney Love to be interesting. He followed her on Twitter. She's fascinating. You know, regardless of what you think of Courtney Love, she's a good follow. She's interesting. The mentions of Courtney, that's about as far as they go. They're pretty innocuous. Same goes for Kurt Cobain. Same goes for Janice Joplin. Same goes for Elvis Elvis Presley. These mentions are innocuous. They are not really worth mentioning here, except to say that there's nothing in the context that indicates anything resembling a crime regarding these folks. Bono is mentioned as well, because I think, you know, rich, globally interested masters of the universe like Jeffrey Epstein are contractually obligated to mention Bono at least twice a month. Otherwise, they're going to lose their their culture cred. But like Courtney and Kurt, as it pertains to Bono, there's no there there. But then there's Jay-Z. There's a fascinating document, an actual FBI document, a quote unquote crisis intake document from 2019 that reports on a victim's alleged experience with Jay-Z and Jeffrey Epstein. And we're going to talk about that in the exclusive section of this after party. Too much to get into right now. This episode will be four hours long if we if I start talking about this. So I'm going to talk about that with Zeth. We're going to go through it. We're going to tell you what's in this file regarding Jay-Z. We're going to give you the context and we're going to give you our take on it. To hear that episode, it could be an all access member. Super easy to do that. Just go to disgraceandpod.com and sign up. You can sign up for as little as a dollar a month, but you got to be at the five dollar level to hear the exclusive after party content we bring you every week. I will be back right after this break with your voicemails, texts and correspondence. Guys, this film should be played loud. 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DIS, Gio at checkout. Go to disgrace and pod.com to sign up. Now your voicemails and texts as promised. 61790666, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 3, 8. You want to send me a voicemail? You want to leave me a text? Haven't heard from her boy ish in a while. Let's check out ish in the seven, eight, one. Jay, what up? Your boy ish. Just checking in. Hope all as well. Hope you getting over this holiday season. Listen to the bonus episode recently and you were mentioning what you think. Cobain, what a thought about the food fighters and what he'd be into, what he'd be doing. And just a quick thought. I agree with you. I think he would hate food fighters because most people do. At least I do. But I think he'd be in the turnstile. And the way these guys are just kicking ass and, you know, recently won a Grammy, but also their roots in punk and hardcore. That's just my opinion. I don't know. Hope all as well. Disco. Disco ish. I am recovering from the holidays. Thanks man. Hope you are as well. Appreciate the call. Um, yeah, I tend to think the same exact way actually. I got no, I got no, nothing, no qualms about what you're saying here. I never thought of what Cobain would think a turnstile. But yeah, I think he would absolutely appreciate the sort of DIY hardcore punk roots food fighters as much as I love some of their music. They're a tough hang in a lot of ways. And again, yeah, I kind of agree with your assessment, although I can't put it as well as you did. Appreciate the call man. Hope you're doing well. Hey, Jake, this is Brian calling from the 801 for all you acolytes. That's Utah. I only mentioned that because I never anybody called from Utah. Anyway, say I was re listening to your NWA episodes and it reminded me of something back in the day in 1988. I was 23 years old, but because I'm in Utah to buy the NWA straight out company because that I had to go to the counter and ask for it because they kept it behind the counter to protect the kids from that craziness. Anyways, dude, when I first heard that, because that I was like, holy crap, these guys are pissed. And I was literally, dude, I was worried that there was going to be race wars starting right after that. See, he came out because, you know, I was in the hardcore scene back then and we had, you know, racist skins and stuff. And, uh, I knew where you guys are coming from. And, uh, anyways, yeah, Jake, I was reminded of that when I was re listening to those episodes and, um, I appreciate all you do. Have a great day, brother. Brian, thanks for the call. Appreciate it. Um, yeah, that was, that was a weird time when straight out of Compton came out for sure, especially if you were in the hardcore scene like we were. And, um, you just reminded me, I should probably do an episode on, on Nazi skinheads. I've never, I can't believe I've never done that. I could do one on the band screwdriver and just because I love, I would love to expose the sort of that gross counterculture, you know, it was always sort of like adjacent to the hardcore scene. Those dudes, I gotta admit, they came around in Boston and they just got their asses kicked repeatedly and sort of banished away from the scene. But that era in the 80s, I remember a big Rolling Stone article on, uh, on the Nazi skinhead thing. And I'm interested in how that grew out of the punk scene in London and how the difference between UK skinheads and American skinheads. So this, this would be an interesting episode to get into. So thanks for your sort of, uh, unintentional recommendation there, Brian. Appreciate it. That's why we do this guys. Get to hear from you guys, hear what you're into, hear what you're thinking about. It informs me, uh, it helps me determine what we want to cover going forward. And, uh, you know, up until five 30 seconds ago, I should say, I wasn't thinking about doing a screwdriver episode, but I think that could be pretty cool. So give us a call. It's my point. 617-906-6638. All right. Couple of weeks ago, we asked a question of you guys, you know, what are some of your most interesting best experiences with live music as kids? Uh, let's go to the 912 and get, get her response. Hey, Nick, ask Ben here from 912 and I've got a kid experience for you, uh, from a concert that I went to many, many years ago back in July of 1996. I was 16 years old. We went to an ever clear show at the Ogden theater in Denver, Colorado. Uh, back then it was all general admissions for my friends. And I basically camped out in the front row for the entire night. At some point in the show, I had one of those teenage girl fantasy moments come to life. Art Alacrack, the lead singer for ever clear locks eyes with the mid song, starts singing directly to me and then motions for me to come back stage after the show. So I'm 16. This is peak 90s rock and roll. I'm internally losing my mind. So whenever clear finished their set, art motioned for me to come back, but security wouldn't let me through. So even though the whole band was yelling at them to let me pass, I was stuck. So we regrouped outside on the side of the Ogden where there's a window, two or three stories up that opens up into the green room. Art is literally hanging out of the window while this crowd of teenagers attempts to hoist me up to him. So we tried and tried for like an hour, but eventually reality and gravity won and all of us gave up and went home. I was only 16. Art was a full grown man, but hey, it was rock and roll in the nineties. Anyhow, I love your podcast. I've been listening for years and I especially love the episodes on James addiction that you did recently. Thank you so much. Jake, rock of all. I asked me what a message. You know, you lucked out. You lucked out. You're lucky you didn't get into that green room. That's all I have to say. Appreciate you sharing. Appreciate you having a open mind and a clear head about it. We all did stupid shit when we were kids. That's for sure. You dodged a bullet with that one though. All right, guys, we've done it. I don't know how long we've been taking calls here in this great land, six months, seven, nine or six, six, six, six, three, eight. But finally, what's it been? It's been, you know, a couple of years of taking calls in the after Friday. We finally received the call, the greatest call of all time. Matt, we've done it. Sound the alarm. Yes, people. It's true. The end all be all call from disgrace and members, Discos. Here it is. I'm gonna play for you right now. Unfortunately, I don't know who it's from, but it's just perfect. It's just absolutely perfect in whoever you are in the nine one seven. You know, call me back whenever, whenever we love to hear from you. I'd like to know your name actually. Let's let's let's let's hear it. The nine one seven has to play that message is so fucking long. I don't even remember why I'm calling. Anyway, uh, oh, that Hunter S. Thompson thing is stupid because that guy's a douche. I used to, uh, actually, I shouldn't even say I sold. I gave weed to someone who used to get him weed in New York City and he couldn't even find his own weed. A fucking loser. There was something else I wanted to say. I don't remember. All right. Well, there you have it. Uh, it doesn't get much better than that. Nine one seven. You know, not a lot of people think Hunter S. Thompson was a fucking loser, but you do and you seem to have your reasons. And I'm not going to argue with that. Who might argue? I didn't know the man. I also didn't get his weed form, you know, and I agree. I mean, Hunter Thompson should have been able to find his own fucking weed. One of our dynamite is Hunter S. Thompson. You know what I'm saying? If you want to hear the Hunter S. Thompson episode, you can. It was released this week in disgrace and go check that out. Nine one seven. Call us back anytime. Let us know your name. 201. I appreciate your, your grateful dead concert experience voicemail. A little too long to get into here. Maybe I'll get into it next week. I'll play less. I'll focus on yours. Uh, when we get into the Bob Weir episode of disgrace and that's coming up. Thanks for calling though. Four eight O writes in never received the t-shirt. Did you change your mind? No, I did not four eight O. I have not changed my mind. I just have not gotten to the post office yet. However, I will. Okay. Another merch winner writes in nine oh four. Don't worry. The merch is coming. I'm making a note. I'm going to do this tomorrow. All right. I was, I know I said I was going to do it last week and I didn't do it. Shaka crazy. Blame the Epstein files. The merch is coming. What is this merch? You people are asking. Listen, leave a review for disgrace land on apple podcasts or on spotify. And if you do, and I read it here and you hear your name, get in touch with me. Six one seven nine oh six six six six three eight and I'll send you some merch now. I understand. I'm late. Okay. A lot of people way. What's going on? These are coming. I promise you the merch is a coming. Tracy three one oh and apple podcast writes best podcast, five stars, best story tellers ever so often totally in shock learning that most of my human life, the greats I've known are insanely human. Now sharing your stories with my 89 year old dad. He's loving it and has made it part of his day. We listen together sometimes and just stare at each other. Making sure we had the same. We heard the same thing. Lol, you guys are the best. Thank you. Tracy three one oh, tell me your 89 year old dad's shirt size. I want to send him a disgrace land t-shirt. All right. Get in touch. Let me know. I'll get you some merch as well. Tracy six one seven nine oh six six six three eight voicemail and text. Ray Dolan gives a review of our Norwegian black metal episode. That's going way back in the way back machine back to season one. Ray Dolan writes on Spotify. Whoa, got chills while walking my dog and listening to this. This is insane. Great episode as always. You got it. Ray Dolan get in touch. Ray Dolan six one six nine oh six six six three eight. Hell town mark nine seven eight writes. Hey, what's up Jake driving to Brooklyn listening to Fleetwood Mac part one. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this the first time I'm hearing a voice on an episode that isn't yours? I'm going to take a wild stab is Stevie Nicks played by your wife. Maybe great episode, man. The playlist continues. No, definitely not my wife. I don't know. I can't remember. I cannot remember who voiced Stevie Nicks's voice. I don't even remember that we did that actually. Mark, are you hallucinating from your playlist? Those who don't know, hell town mark, hell town mark is the gentleman who has created this exhausted, uh, not exhaustive. What's the right word? Endless, not endless. It's not endless either. A massive playlist of every song mentioned from every disgrace land episode. He's on track to complete this for all 260 something episodes. He's, uh, he's, I think he's into the hundred. You know, might be, I don't know. He's, he's into like season 10 or something like that. Uh, this thing is incredible. Hell town mark in his playlist can be found on our Patreon site. He's part of the community over there. And again, if you want to be part of the community, go to disgrace, hand pod.com to sign up. You don't have to, you can even become a free member. Okay. You can be part of the community that way, but for a buck, you can jump into the chat and start talking to all the other discos. All right. 61790666638 voicemail and text to get in touch. Man, there's a lot here. Not going to get to all of it. I'll do more next week. I promise you guys, Amanda, I see your birthday message from the 541. Appreciate you. Thanks for being here from the beginning. Thanks to all of you who have been here from the beginning. Mentioned it last week, 2018. We launched this in February, 2018. Isn't that crazy? It's a long time. We've made a lot of podcasts since then, and we're still making new content. Like I said, we've got a new episode of this film. Should be played loud coming next week on boogie nights. You want to check out the show, decide whether or not you want to become a member. You can do that now on our feed where we're featuring the good fellows episode. All right guys, this is a 60 second sports rant and under 30 seconds sponsored by five hour energy in the return of their confetti craze flavor. Bring big birthday energy wherever you go with this. Plan your confetti craze party at www.fivehourenergy.com or Amazon available right now. Matt, give me that buzzer. Listen, I'm not going to sit here and complain about the New England Patriots losing the Super Bowl. We've been to 12 Super Bowls. We've lost six. We've won six. We're 500 in the Super Bowl. Do I wish we had a better winning percentage? Of course I do. Am I upset that we've been to 12 Super Bowls? No, I'm not. Duh. That doesn't make any sense. What I am upset about is the Boston Red Sox and their inability to spend money. The Boston Red Sox ownership treating us like we're a mid market fan base, a second tier team spending money like the, no offense, but the Pittsburgh pirates. What are we doing? I mean, come on. This is insane. Letting Bregman walk and not going after a suitable replacement. The Red Sox ownership is, I don't know, allergic to spending money on big name talent. Have you seen what the Dodgers are doing? What the Yankees will continue to do? It's ridiculous. We're the Boston Red Sox, one of the most storied baseball franchises in history. The greatest ballpark in the MLB. I cannot for the life of me understand what's going on. It's time. I hate to say this. They've done so much good for the city, for the fan base, but it's over. This run of ownership is over. Sell the team, John Henry. Sell the team to an owner that wants to win, that cares, okay? That wants to do right by the fan base and the players because what you're doing is not working. I'll help you find buyers. Okay. I know some folks, you know, we'll take up a collection because this ain't working. I'm more excited about my eight year olds coach pitch league than I am the start of the MLB season. Might be because I'm coaching and I want to know already. Okay. What do you think of them apples? But I want to be excited about the baseball season and it's hard to do when your team just doesn't, doesn't really care. They don't care ownership. Doesn't care. They pretend they care, but they don't care. They don't care. Trust me. They don't care. That was the sports ran sponsored by five hour energies confetti craze flavor back by popular demand confetti craze tastes like the best birthday cake ever with its rich buttery and vanilla e flavors. Since five hour energy shots are tiny and resealable. It's easy to take that birthday everywhere you go. Plan your confetti craze party at www.fivehourenergy.com or Amazon available now. I'm going to take a quick break. We'll be back in a flash. All right, guys, we're about to get out of here. I mentioned Bruce Springsteen, Bono, Mick Jagger, of course, Curt and Courtney, so many. Matt will pull a couple, a couple of the artists names we mentioned, and he'll give you some, he'll give you some breadcrumbs in the show notes so that you can find these episodes in our archive. 250 plus episodes of Disgrace Land in the archive on so, so, so, so, so many artists. But let's recap. Shall we? Number one, this week, our episode on Hunter S. Thompson. Number two, our rewind episode is coming up tomorrow on Friday. That's going to be in the clash. We're also going to have Grateful Dead episodes part one and part two leading into our Tuesday release. Part three of the Grateful Dead on Bob Weir and Bohemian Grove. More importantly, what the Epstein files tell us about Bohemian Grove and as it pertains to Bob Weir and MKLTRA and all that good stuff. You're not going to want to miss that. And number four is that's going to give you those Hollywood and crime vibes in Hollywood land like he does every week. So make sure you're subscribed. This film should be played loud. Our new video podcast. Just drop that in the feed this week. You can hear our Goodfellas episode. You can watch new episodes of this film should be played loud. On Patreon, go to DisgraceAndPod.com to sign up. You can get a discount right now. 20% off, 20% off your all access membership. Go ahead and check that out. All right. 617-9066-638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, texting with your answers to this week's question of the week or with whatever else you want to talk about. Don't forget, Disco, this isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed and no one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right. Hunter S. Thompson died on February 20th, 2005. Here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the billboard charts. Number one, let me love you, Mario. Last week, one peak position, one week's on chart, 18. Number two, one two step. Sierra featuring Missielli. Last week, two peak position, two weeks on chart, 17. Number three, Boulevard of Broken Dreams. Green Day. Last week, four peak position. Three weeks on chart, 13. Number four, how we do the game featuring 57. Last week, six peak position. Four weeks on chart, 13. Number five, Disco Inferno. 50, last week, seven peak position. Talking and start mixing.