JIM JAMES Did NOT See a Bear Flip Over A Car

Hey, buddy. Hey, Suvi. So, the other day, my friend Brad Paisley was on the show. Oh, yeah? And you know he's obviously a close family friend with Alexi, and especially my father-in-law, Tom. Yeah. I've been at Tom's house on Martha's Vineyard when Brad's there, and Tom stays up a little later, and maybe we'll have like a little snifter of whiskey that he's not normally sort of a drinking guy. But if he can hang out with Brad Paisley, and... If he can strum on a little guitar with Brad Paisley, he's going to do it. So, he came by, Alexi came by, they brought Addie with them. Addie was on the Thanksgiving show with her brothers. And it's a great effect. I'm doing my warm-up for the show, and I'm talking during my warm-up, I talk about my kids, and I mentioned her, and then I didn't realize because she was backstage, and then she just ran out on stage. Your security's good, but I don't think they expect someone that small. No, no. And so, then we were just... She just sat... She just stood out there with me, and like I just set her up, and she told stories, and she's just... I mean, she's not blanching at all in front of the hot lights of the television studio in front of her crowd. But then, end of the show, before the last act, I go into the audience, and I do a Q&A. So, I'm doing the Q&A, and I at this point assumed she had left, and instead she walks out again, and this time she's holding a ribbon that you would wrap a Christmas present with. And she's got a ribbon, and she just walks up, and again, everybody's like, oh, and then she leans me down, she like weighs me down, and I go, what's up? She goes, can I show people my ribbon? And I was like, go for it. And I kept doing the Q&A, and she was just walking up the steps, holding the ribbon over her wrist the way you would show off like a fancy Rolex, and like very serious. Like didn't they... And she was just like showing this ribbon at people, and I like just while I'm doing this Q&A, I hear people being like, can I touch it? And she was like, no. Well, yeah. You can only look at it. Yeah. And yeah. That's what I'm dealing with right now. Yeah. Pretty cute. Little superstar. You know what I'm dealing with right now? What's that? This comes out January 6th. Yeah. Birthday. You know what happens on January 8th? Birthday. Your baby bro turns fitty. Oh, fuck. So that's what I'm dealing with. Oh, no. I can't believe I fell asleep on the big 504U. Yeah. What are you going to do? I don't know. As we're recording this, I don't know. Yeah. I'm not a big like, come to my party kind of guy. So we might... Sounds like you. The way you said it sounds like the way you talk. We might, Mackenzie and I might go out of town, and we might go skiing somewhere. I've looked for like, what's a great, like what's one of the world's great hikes you can do in January. And like the websites are all like in January. None of them, man. Yeah. I think it's a bad time for it. I could go to Patagonia, but that's too far to go. I don't have that much time. So I don't know. Maybe we don't do anything big and then we'll do something later. Because we're talking, when this air is, we're talking like a couple weeks beforehand. So you have a little bit of time to work it out. Yeah. 50. I can't believe my little brother's 50. That's harder than knowing that I turned 50. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I feel better about this one than I did about 40. Interesting. And the lead up. You know what I have always said, the hardest one I ever had was 46. What's that? There was something about like being on the other, like being in my late 40s was like yeah. Also, nobody like celebrates you at 46. Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was at a thing last night and my neighbor was there and she was like, January 9th, and we're going to have a huge party in the building. It's probably going to turn into a street party for my 28th birthday. And I was like, oh, I'm 22 years and one day older than you. And you already have a plan. Yeah. She's like, come to my party. It's like, I'm, it's not. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I want to be with a 28 year old. We had our late night holiday party last night and you know, it was, it was lovely. Yeah. Late night, the show, not a late night party. The show, yeah. It's not a late night party. Like I left at like 9.30. Okay. But it's funny cause like I came into work today. I'm like, how's everybody feeling? Everybody's like, fine. I'm like, oh right. We all, like everybody at our show, like this is a show that got, we all aged the last 10 years together. Yeah. And like, I guess we moved it to this barbecue place because a few, like five years ago, there wasn't enough food at the party and like somebody got so drunk and like immediately, this is how not fun late night is. It's like, we got to go to a place with more food so nobody ever gets drunk again. Well, I, you know, for 30 and for 33, I think, I did these like really epic bar crawls in downtown Los Angeles and people are like, hey, you used to do those like fun parties. Why don't you do something like that again? And I would sort of go down on my own to downtown LA and I would map out, I would like just walk around and then create a map of like eight bars. But it would be so sloppy by the end of the party and we're not like that anymore. Like I have a lot of sober friends and I don't want to have eight drinks in a night. And I don't think they, yeah, it's, that ain't, that is the thing now. Like, you know, when you're just like, drinks, multiple. Although I will, I mean, I'm, you know, it'll be interesting to see tonight, like, you know, going out with two of our oldest friends, as I mentioned on the previous podcast, going out with Ike, going out with hopefully Pete Grosz. Oh yeah. And, you know, that I think, I think I get, my goal is like two cocktails. Yeah. Just to loosen it up. Problem is, you know what happens? Two cocktails, posh. What's that? I start to snore. Yeah. And I'm not, maybe I'm telling you a little bit too much behind the curtain here, but let's just say this morning, my daughter woke up in my bed and I woke up in hers because at some point last night, my wife decided she'd rather sleep with a toddler than old porky pig over here snort in his way. Previous episode, you talked about how your daughter didn't want to sit next to you at a movie theater. Oh, it's very weird. And now your wife doesn't want to sleep next to you. Well, by the way, everybody learned it from my wife. The modeling my wife does on like, no more of you. Do you and Addy high five when you're swapping bedrooms in the middle of the night? No. Yeah. We don't. I think she came in first and then got between us because she said she had a cold. I'm pretty sure she was lying. And then, and then Alexi realized since there was a open slot, she could banish me. By the way, you've slept in that bed, not the worst thing in the world. No. Yeah. I do hate to be the reason somebody gets a bad night's sleep. Did she learn, did Addy learn her lying from your middle son Axel? Do you think? Yeah. I think, well, they all now, they all feel like if they don't, if they don't wake up in our bed like the other, another kid got the leg up on them. Yeah. So they're all just like, they're just lying earlier and earlier into the night. Yeah. They're like people standing too close to an airplane gate, like by the standards. You're just like, you're not going around. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Wait till your group is called. Yeah. Great conversation today. With Jim James. Of my morning jacket. My morning jacket, sweet man. If you are excited to hear a story about him camping in a bear, it does not happen. It doesn't happen. It makes it very clear. But lovely, lovely guy, lovely conversation. And yeah, I mean, heck of a musician. Heck of. If you have not, if you haven't dabbled in my listen. Give it a listen and thanks everybody for being with us. Yeah. And happy new year everybody. Yeah. Happy new year. Hello. How are you Jim? How are you? I'm glad to be in the breakout room. You're in the breakout room. You know what? Take it easy. It's time for a break. I think y'all need to change the name of the podcast to the breakout room. The breakout room is actually a pretty good name for anyone who's been on Zoom would enjoy a podcast called the breakout room. Yeah. It's really the inner circle. It's behind the velvet road in here. Totally. You, let me just say like we, we have the backgrounds of people who do too many podcasts and you have the background of a rock and roller and I really respect it. It's everything I wanted it to be. Real quick Jim, before we get into it all, do, my wife is an equestrian. Do you know your connection to the equestrian world? Are you saying that you know it and I may not? I know it and I'm asking if you know it. Okay. No, I don't. There is one of the US's like best equestrians is this guy, Will Coleman. And he is a huge fan of yours and he has several horses which are named after songs of yours and they compete at like the Olympics and the highest levels. He has a horse named off the record, Dundante, Gideon, Megida, Honest Man, highly suspicious, circuital, tropic, steam engine. He's a huge fan and these horses are amazing. So if you're, if you're curious, you can look up Will Coleman equestrian. He's a mad fan of yours and to a degree where he's named several, several horses after your material. I had no idea. That's so crazy. That dude definitely is like, I bet that he's like, oh, trust me, Jim knows. He does now. Yeah. He's, I always wanted to do the, uh, what do they call it when you do the therapy with the horses? Uh, I think just equine therapy, I think. Yeah. That looks so amazing. Yeah. Yeah. That's when the horse gives you a massage. Exactly. Yeah. The horse puts it's nose. Yeah. Just gently. It's all about trust. They say the real hard part of equine therapy is the trust. There is some video just because I'm in this, uh, you know, adjacent to this horse world because of my wife, uh, I have seen there's some dude does like horse yoga and there's a, there's a video out there of a guy like with his shirt off and some big baggy pants and he's just like stretching a horse out. Uh, and I can't tell who's getting more out of it. Yeah. Yeah. And I, uh, we were going to get to your famous jokes, but I have a question as well. Did you ever, did my morning jacket ever open for Pearl Jam? Yeah. Many times. Fantastic. We, yeah, we open for them. We did a tour of Europe, uh, with them that was unbelievable. Um, and, uh, we did some shows in the States too. It was a while ago. It was a good, Were you very, was it very early days for your band? I want to say it was like 2006, 2007, somewhere in there. So not super early, but kind of early. I, uh, do a standup show once a month with John Oliver and our opener is this wonderful comedian named Brooks Whealon, who's a good dear friend of ours. And Brooks has a joke about like just what it is like to be the opener. And he's like, you know, I used to go see bands and I'd be mad when the opening band came out. Um, and now he goes, as I'm older, I realized that band has a family. They have parents. But his punchline is he's like, he's like, but guess what? Maybe years from now, you're going to realize, Oh, yeah, we went to see Pearl Jam, but that was my morning jacket. Man, they, uh, Eddie Vedder did one of the sweetest things I've ever seen anybody do. He came out cause you know, we were playing these arenas that are like, there's like a hundred people in a 30,000 seat arena to see us when we come on. And he would come out and play an acoustic song before us to get all the fans excited to come in to see us. It was really, really, really, really cool. And he came out a couple of times and sat in with us and stuff, just trying to get people into their seats. You know, it was, you know, everybody come rushing in from the beer lines or whatever. So it was pretty, pretty amazing. We were really grateful. That is really, that is an extra special thing when you realize, uh, somebody at that level appreciates and remembers what every other level was like. Yep. Absolutely. So, uh, you grew up in Kentucky. Yep. Siblings. What is your sibling situation? I've got twin sisters who are three years younger than me and I've got a little brother who is 13 years younger than me. Gotcha. Is it haunting to have twin sisters? No, no, it's very rewarding actually. It's, it's unbelievable to have that. Uh, we're really close and, uh, to have that kind of, uh, connection, uh, you know, is, is pretty unbelievable. I feel like whenever I encounter other people who have, uh, twins in their life in a powerful way, it's, it's such a unique gift, uh, despite the, uh, the shining, uh, horror. Were you intimate? I mean, I guess three years old you weren't, were you able to process like there are about to be two more people here? It was wild. I mean, I don't, I don't know if my three year old mind quite had the processing power, you know, cause I'd never experienced anything else. I thought maybe two babies came at once all the time. That's sure. Sure. Uh, but I remember it just being so, uh, yeah, so surreal. You know, something so surreal about two people at once, you know, like that, that are in their identical twins. Um, you know, so yeah, especially as a kid, it was, it was pretty, pretty insane. That's fantastic. And you're still close with both of them. Yep. So they don't speak to one another. They've completely. Yeah. They never speak. But we all hang out and I mediate between them. Oh, that's good. That's so nice to have that big brother role. And then your, your 13 years younger brother, uh, was he sort of a surprise to everyone when he came or? He was a surprise. Yeah. And, uh, that was really interesting because it was like we got to experience, you know, having that new energy in the house and I've never had kids myself. So I'm kind of glad I got to, uh, experience that, you know, what it's like to have a baby around the house and, uh, it was, yeah, it was really, really interesting. And brought a whole new, uh, chapter and a whole new breath of life into the family, you know, at a time when definitely wasn't like expected that that would come. Yeah. Were you given responsibilities, uh, for? Not like severe response. I wasn't like interested with the baby's life or anything like that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we, we tried to help, uh, best we could. I'm sure my sister's helped more than I did. I was 13 year old, uh, teen angst, you know. Yeah, that's great. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. This message is brought to you by Apple Card. Apple Card is designed with your iPhone in mind, making it easy to get started and even easier to use. Apple Card is a no fee credit card you can apply for right from the wallet app on your iPhone. Apple Card has no annual fee, no late fees and no foreign transaction fees. No fees. Period. Every credit card should be this easy. Get started in the wallet app today. Variable APRs for Apple Card range from 17.49% to 27.74% based on credit worthiness. Rates as of January 1, 2026. Existing customers can view their variable APR in the wallet app or at card.apple.com. Apple Card is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank, USA Salt Lake City branch. Terms and more at applecard.com. So when you were a kid and you obviously you were close enough to your sisters that that was when you were sort of, uh, I would assume going on family trips if you went on them, uh, what sort of things would you guys do? Well, it's funny because when this came up and I was thinking about like family trips and, uh, I was like, man, I don't know if I have any like insane stories of this one time, you know, whatever a bear attacked our tent. We kind of had a, we moved to, uh, Georgia when I was in second grade, uh, for a job from, from my dad's, uh, a job that he got. And we also went, the only place we ever really went was a Panama city beach Florida where a lot of people in Louisville go for vacation and my grandparents would get a condo down there and we would stay with them. And we kind of just did that every summer and we, but on the move to Georgia, there was a lot of driving back and forth from Kentucky. And so there's just a lot of, uh, memories of like being trapped in the hot, sweaty car, you know, on the heat of the summer. And, uh, uh, one of my favorite memories is just like the music that we would hear, as we were going, like I have a really distinct memory of hearing the, uh, that song night shift by the Commodores. Yeah. You know, like I remember like being a young kid, hearing that and just being like, what is this? You know, like that was my favorite part about all the travel was like the, uh, the music in the car. I remember we would take road trips at a young age and my, uh, our dad would lie to us and say that, you know, only certain songs would only play in certain places. And so I remember the first time hearing, I remember hearing weird owls eat it and take it. It was the greatest thing ever. And he's like, that's why it's great to be on the road. You know, this isn't playing everywhere else yet. And I, uh, get back to school and being like, you guys cannot believe. And they're like, yeah, no, it's here. Yeah, we've heard it. We've heard it, dude. What did your dad do that brought you guys to Georgia? Well, he's an electrician and, uh, there was a, uh, he was working at it, like a nuclear power plant facility around here that was then, uh, you know, I don't, I, you know, the, the nuclear scares and all of the things that have gone through, you know, the society and the, the debates about nuclear power. And so that's a whole other conversation, but, but that, that plant was shut down. So then we went to, uh, Atlanta to, uh, for just another job that he had to do. Gotcha. We were there for a couple of years and then came back to Kentucky. Were your parents both from Kentucky? Yeah, we're all from, from Louisville. Yeah. Got it. Gotcha. Did you come back to the same house or was it a new house? Yeah, it was a new house. So it was a different, yeah, cause we, I don't think we really knew how long we'd be gone, but then luckily he found, you know, it's one of those things where you leave and you're like, okay, how soon can we get back? Kind of thing. You know, it was a move of, of necessity. And, uh, and luckily he found a job. So we came back. Do you have like the strong memories from those like two years away? Cause I would imagine it's also probably pretty easy to forget about it, especially when you go back to the place you came from. Yeah. I mean, I just remember how hard it was for everybody. Cause I remember the, uh, you know, I think they say, and again, I don't have any kids, but I've heard many people who do have kids say that like routine and, uh, structure and, you know, familiarity and stuff like that is good for kids. So I remember like just, I think all of us were just like thrust into this new world, you know, where nobody knew anybody and, you know, it was kind of like, uh, it was kind of almost like a purgatory feeling. You know, I'm sure it was harder for my parents or whatever. And then, uh, but luckily it only lasted a couple of years and then we, we headed back, but yeah, I don't, I mean, I don't know. My experience on this earth has been one of, uh, some kind of error 404 message is constantly displaying in my consciousness where it's like, I don't really, nothing, things don't compute for me very often. Uh, and I remember that, that time period just being like, uh, I've done a lot of talking with my therapist about this, about the, uh, you know, just what in us that works or doesn't is, uh, is it hormones, is it chemicals, is it depression, is it alcoholism, is it, you know, because I feel like there were like so many, uh, things I've been blessed with, with like a great family and, you know, supportive people and stuff, but still most of my life, I feel like there's like error 404 file not found webpage not loading. You know, it's like, so I remember those, those years I'm just like, yeah. I bet it makes a difference too. Like it does seem like, uh, the vibe was even your parents were like, we're going to try to get back. And so that probably as kids makes it harder to like put down roots as well. You know? Oh yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, we moved, but like, you know, when we moved, like, I think it was very much like the door was closed on the place we'd left as opposed to like, don't worry, this is all temporary. Don't get close. Right. Right. Right. Did you move around a lot? We, what do we want? One big move. Yeah. Okay. We moved when we were both very little, uh, from Wilmette, Illinois to Okamus, Michigan. And then when we were like five and seven, we moved to New Hampshire and our parents are still in that house now. So, oh, that's cool. Oh wow. That's a good long stretch. Yeah. It is a good long stretch. Yeah. And, uh, it's, uh, it's also, it has a little bit of a shrine feel to it. Certainly Josh's room for whatever reason, like my room was immediately at office and like Josh is like, no, nobody touch it. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I like that they're still like, he might be president and they're gonna, people are gonna want to see what it looked like. Yeah. But you're around. And he might come back. Yeah. Well, you might move back in. That's their real dream. Right. Um, did you come back to Louisville to, to friends that you sort of had left behind where grandparents close by, did you sort of fall back into that old group? No, everything was all, all this. I mean, we had tons of family and stuff like that, but, uh, yeah, yeah, our friendships and stuff I had to start over, but it was pretty great. Cause when I came back, uh, a lot of the friends I met in fourth grade, when I came back to Louisville, I'm still friends with, and, uh, Patrick Hallahan, the drummer in my morning jacket, we have been, uh, friends since fourth grade. And we have the same birthday. And so I met him when I came back and we're still, still going strong. We were just listening to records last night. Uh, is that something did you guys, at what age after you met, were you guys connecting on music? Was that an early part of your friendship? Pretty much immediately. Yeah. It's like, I feel like I always was like drawn to music as a kid through like the Muppet show and stuff like that. And I think when I came back in fourth grade and we're starting to get into, uh, at that time, like hair metal was becoming really popular. And I think a lot of us really wanted to prove how tough we were by like, you know, I like Metallica. I like Slayer, you know, it's like who's, who likes the, uh, tougher metal and stuff like that. So yeah, we kind of started bonding over music immediately. I saw something on social media, somebody made a post and I'm going to get it wrong, but, uh, they said when they were young, the maddest they ever made a friend as a friend was saying like how hardcore docking was. And he goes, I can prove they're not. And he goes, how? He goes, they sat in a room and they wrote a song. It's just really funny that like, you know, you just think of them, but then you're like, Oh, at the end of the day, like everybody's a musician and they have to be like, like writing down stuff and making sound right. Yeah. Not just sacrificing, uh, animals to Satan. Yeah. And like it's like, I think like even rebellious music has to come from a place of like form and, you know, function. Absolutely in practice. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. And so it's just like, you know, every, it looks like they just walked on stage and they don't care about anything. It's like, Oh no, they've definitely have, have had arguments about every word in this song. Dude, isn't that so weird? I mean, I feel like that's something a lot of people don't, uh, realize on the path to trying to be a musician or whatever. Cause that's what I thought too. I was like, man, if I'm, if I'm like in a band, I'll just be partying and like smoking and smoking cocaine and all the stuff. And it's like, I feel so lucky that I also just loved recording on a four track in the basement, you know, like that was one of the only, only places I found peace was like working on this music by myself or practicing with my friends. So I think like I lucked out to meet people who also wanted to work and also wanted to snorkeling cocaine, smoke cigarettes and do the whole motley crew thing. You know, it's like, we wanted to do that too, but we were like, we also liked to work, you know, and it was like, it was a good combination. But yeah, some people too, I did meet though, especially kids, you know, they, it's funny as you start having band practice and the first there's like 10 kids, you know, and they're all like, yeah, but they just want to smoke and drink and stuff and they kind of fall away. And then the people who really do also want to do the work end up coming together. Were you self conscious singing sort of in front of other people or did that just? Oh, yeah, I hated singing for a long time. Our friend's older brother sang and then he left. He was a couple of years older than us, way cooler than us. And, and then I tried and I really didn't like it. But then one day somebody left the reverb on an amp turned up all the way and I, you know, you plug your mic into the amp and I sang and all the reverb came out. And I was like, I was like, oh my God, this is like, this is what I was born to do. It was like it all felt so natural. And from that point on, I just, I loved singing. I couldn't stop me from singing. That's so great. That's like, that's one of those hurdles that I sort of, I just was such a stumbling block for me and I just was at a holiday party and there was a guy there who like was in the chorus and I'm just so regretful that I didn't like just be in the school chorus because you're going to stand around with 40 people and you're all going to sing and you're going to get your part and you're going to learn how to harmonize. And like that confidence that sort of just comes from doing. And I love that it was a situation where a couple of people dropped out and then amp was set to the right setting for you to be like, oh, this, I can, I can do this. It's so beautiful. Yeah, cause it is weird because like, if you think about the sound of your voice right now in these microphones you're using for a podcast, it's very deliberately clean and dry and you want to hear all of the words you're saying. But when you sing, it's like everybody knows that you sound best in the shower or in a reverberant place, like a garage or a stairwell or something. And I think that reverb accidentally being on, it was like this like gateway to like, whoa, everything sounds better with this. And when it was off, it was like kind of like you're in the dentist's office or you're in like a, you know, some kind of exam room or something. I always felt like I was at the doctor's office whenever I tried to sing into a dry microphone. And also what you said about the choir too, like my niece is in choir and that's the biggest difference too when you're singing like with people, you know, and all the emphasis isn't just on you. That's so powerful to experience singing that way with people too. It's so beautiful. Yeah, it's really great. It's so funny too, just about like how you have to like commit yourself to this like form and then you find out lessons like some because it's like the next lesson in the book and the other is you just kind of stumble upon it because of, you know, being in the craft. I know I love, I love those happy accidents. Can I just, I do want to circle back to Panama Beach condo. We feel like we've talked to a lot of guys who did like the Florida condo. Yep. Grandparents. Was it a trip you looked forward to? Oh yeah, because I mean, I remember the, because we really like my mom, my dad was traveling a lot from work and my mom was really good about taking us to the pet store, taking us to the library, you know, taking us to the pool, but we never had any money and we, you know, we didn't, we couldn't go a lot of places. We know we didn't, I didn't even get on an airplane till I was 21. And we, yeah, so to go to Panama City Beach, Florida every summer was a huge, you know, a huge thing, you know, and, you know, of course, like just the ocean alone, you know, when you walk up to that as a kid, just the power of the ocean, it just takes over your entire consciousness, you know, and you're, it's just so obsessed. And one year we went to, so to ride through, I've tried from Louisville, Kentucky to Panama City Beach, Florida. We had to go through Huntsville, Alabama, where they have a NASA training facility. And we stopped there once and they had this huge tank of water where the side was see through and they had like a spaceship in the water with the astronauts working on it in their suits. So they're weightless in the water, you know? Cool. And I developed this crazy fear of being in the water because I was afraid there's going to be a spaceship under the water. So I was like afraid that my feet would like, would accidentally brush the spaceship or whatever out in the ocean. Or when I was in the pool, I was just, even though, even if I could see there's no spaceship in there, I was like very afraid of that. And still to this day. They built that and they were like, is there any downside guys? Nobody was like, I do feel like kids might be afraid of hitting their feet against the spaceship. That is an absolutely unpredictable outcome of that. I still am kind of a little bit afraid of it. If I'm in a lake or something where I can't see the bottom, I think I'm going to brush up against some kind of aircraft, some kind of spacecraft. I love that it's not a fish or like an eel that you might hit or like, oh, there's a shark. It's snow, always spaceship. And it really, I mean, what an impossible question to ask the locals if you're like, hey, just, I mean, this probably sounds crazy, but any spaceships ever crash? Like, should I be, should I wear my aqua socks? Yeah, so I'd be worried about any craft. And were you guys, when you were down at Panama City Beach, were you just on the beach pretty much every day? Or is there a boardwalk in that town? What's what do you get up to as a kid? Now it's pretty simple. I mean, it's just, you know, go down to the pool, go down to the beach, rinse off the beach in the pool, go to the beach, go back to the pool, rinse and repeat. There was a place that had really hot donuts. Like we never really got donuts in our real life. So I remember when we went to the beach, we would get there's a place called Thomas's donut stand and they had the donuts were like so hot and so delicious. I remember we were all just like so thrilled with that. Yeah. You know, special treat. But yeah, it was pretty. Yeah, it's like I was thinking about that when they asked me if I want to do this podcast, I was like, I hope I'm not the most boring guest that I've ever had on the podcast because, you know, there was never a time that a bear flipped over the car. You know, like something, something exploded or crazy happened. But it was lovely. You think most of our guests have bear stories. That seems to be your take away. I was like, yeah. It was, it was, you've joined the bear out room. That was a pretty hilarious. Did you, I was, I have a irrational confidence in how good a donut's going to be. If it's at a non-chain place that only makes donuts. Yep. And not like a Brooklyn place that makes like basically just like cake in the shape of a donut, like a real old school, like we're, this is assembly line for hot donuts. I'm, I can very easily. Oh my God. Absolutely. Yeah. And then I'm sure these donuts were a hundred percent lard. Yeah. I'm sure they were just only crafted out of lard. Yeah. So they were, this was old school legit place for sure. It turns out if the donut's hot, you'll overlook a lot of the ingredients. We grew up going to this like ski ski mountain in Michigan when we were very little and they had a hot donut station that like they could dip it in chocolate or like in the sugar. And I just, to this day, those remain the best donuts I feel like I've ever had in my life. Um, and I had them when I was four years old. Um, yeah, I don't think I've had a donut since. Yeah. Well, I mean, it wouldn't be able to compare. Yeah. What's the point now? Yeah. Also the older you get, you can't, you can't have a cylindrical thing lard in your stomach all day. Possible to bounce back. Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. A great story like monsters, Inc. Stays with you forever. And Disney Plus is where you'll find your next great story from the return of the award winning hit series, Rivals. 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You know, and I feel like the, uh, this would have been in like the year 2000, uh, or 99, there's a book that used to come out called book, your own fucking life. It was like a punk rock DIY tour guide, you know, and it had all the, uh, venues in every state where like you could call them up and try to play there or whatever. So we would like just, you know, call some coffee shop in Arizona and, you know, and ask Bob if we could play, you know, and be like, yeah. So we would like set up these crazy little tours and, uh, you know, I'll pull our money together to buy a shitty $3,000 Dodge van. And, uh, we toured around in that van for a couple of years and, uh, luckily the manifested, uh, the energy just kind of kept going, you know, and, uh, you drive to Arizona and play for three people and then you drive to Arizona and play for 13 people and then you drive and then there's 30 people, you know, and you're lucky if that, that even happens, you know, it's so hard to like get, get any traction going. But, uh, that was always a constant, uh, just a thrill for us to just like, again, I'm so lucky that I found people that wanted to do that, that were like, wanted to go sleep on the van floor, you know, and then wanted to graduate into all cramming into a motel, six hotel room together. And, you know, those, those kind of things. That's just like, there was that spirit of adventure and, uh, you know, oh, it's over dramatic to say you're willing to die for it. But I feel like in a way you kind of have to be, if you want to make it through, because I knew a lot of people who weren't willing to do that, or I had friends in other bands where they're like, man, I wish we could go tour, but so and so won't leave their pizza job and so and so won't leave their other union. And I'm like, why are they afraid to leave these shitty jobs? Like you can just come back and get another shitty job. You know, did you, do you feel like everybody on those bus, like that you all kind of, even without talking about it, collectively agreed that the arrow was pointing up and like that, hey, you know, it's a, obviously we're not exploding, but like we're, the progression is going in the right order. We did. It was, it was kind of cool because we would just get little signs. You know, we did a, uh, I did a real aggressive, uh, mailing campaign that definitely wouldn't work in today's, uh, world, but like I sent out demo tapes to people. This was still like cassette era. And I would put my cassette in like a giant cardboard box and spray painted silver and put like a stuffed animal head hanging out of it or just like whatever I could to get somebody to notice it at the label. So after doing that a while, uh, this label called Darla records, I sent them a package that was like wrapped like a Valentine and it was like a love letter to a girl named Darla and it was like all this stuff. So that got them to even, they were like, we don't, we usually don't even open the Manila envelopes that pile up on our desk, but at least they opened mine and then they liked it. So like nobody that we knew had ever even gotten like a little indie record deal or whatever. So I think those little, like getting the first record deal got everybody excited and kind of made everybody willing to risk it more than they would have if, if nothing was happening at all. Um, so little things like that luckily kept happening that kind of made everybody willing to take the chance and get in the van. Did your band appreciate that you were taking the extra time to do creative wrapping of the demo tapes? Yeah, I think they did. Yeah, there's, there was a, yeah, we had a lot of fun with it. They helped some too. Yeah. My, uh, my comedy partner in my early days, uh, who's a dear friend of Josh as well, this, uh, friend of ours named Jill Benjamin, like she was very much the hustler and it's incredible how important that is because I just don't have that hustle the way she does. And like that ability to like know that you put yourself out there a hundred times to have that one person at that one label, like open up the box and not, it's a little bit like, you know, getting up and singing for the first time. You're like, oh, well, you know, if you don't get up and sing, nobody's going to come and like tap you on the shoulder and be like, you look like you can. We need you. Totally. We need you to start a rock and roll band. The whole, yeah, the whole analog nature, that book that about booking your life and then sending those tapes, it's, uh, it's so great how those were, I mean, that putting that book together sounds like such a labor of love for, oh my God, as a guide for people who wanted to do that. Yeah. The whole DIY hardcore scene back then and punk rock scene. And I mean, that was just like how people did it before the internet. They luckily they created those cool books of, uh, different club owners. And, uh, it's just wild thing. That's how so many bands toured back then. Yeah. Would your sisters or parents or brother, uh, come see you on the road? Well, in early days, not, not usually, I mean, they, they wouldn't travel out to see us or anything, but they were always really supportive and Louisville. Uh, and that's the, yeah, that's the kind of the cool thing too. Cause like, I think everybody, every musician knows that like for so many years, nobody cares, you know, and everybody's kind of like, yeah, sure. You know, have fun. You know, we'll see you at subway. You know, like it's like that kind of, but then I think once we kind of started going other places in the first place, the band ever took off was in Holland and Belgium, strangely enough. That was like the first place we ever got any real traction. So I think once we got on a plane, those first time I ever got on a plane was to fly over to the Netherlands to do this tour. And we didn't know they were going to have a camera crew at the airport to film us and stuff. And we were like, is this going to be like the Beatles or whatever? We're going to get off the plane and there's going to be thousands of screaming Dutch fans here. And, uh, so once we did that, it, it wasn't like that. You know, it was very, very small. Uh, but I think people then people here were like, whoa, what? There's this band from Louisville that is going to Holland or whatever. Like what, what does that mean? And then people's ears kind of perked up. Uh, but, uh, that was a really interesting thing of, uh, that whole experience of flying to the Netherlands in a, in a pre-internet world where we really didn't know, like, what does this mean? Are we, are we playing for 200 people or are we playing for 20,000 people? Or are we like, what is the scope of this? So Josh and I randomly, I mean, not that randomly, but we used to live in Amsterdam. So we got hired for a comedy theater that Americans started. In Amsterdam called Boom Chicago. So, and that was pre, I went in 97. Josh went in 99. When was your trip to, uh, the Holland? The Holland. Uh, probably, probably between like 2001 and 2003. So that's right. When, that's right. When Josh was there. We went all over. How did you break through there? Have you ever been able to work backwards and figure out why you broke through there first? Well, I mean, I think so they really liked, so the band has changed a lot over the years and the first record we put out, uh, called the Tennessee fire, uh, is all very, uh, for lack of a better word, kind of low-fi and kind of like slow and there's tons of reverb and we did it all ourselves. And it's very, uh, moody. And, and I think they really liked that sound a lot. And, you know, obviously there's, there's no internet. I don't read or speak Dutch or whatever. And so I'm not like seeing the Dutch magazines and this promoter from, uh, the amazing, uh, club that's still there called the Paradiso. That's like, well, one of the most unbelievable venues in the world. Right. Yeah. This, this guy then sends me an email. Uh, I forget how he got my email and he's like, did you know that your album was number one on the murder list over here in Holland? And I was like, what? And there's like a critics list and our album was like at the top of this list for, I don't know, weeks or months or whatever. And he sent me a picture of it. And it's like, number one, my morning jacket, number two, R.E.M. Number three, Nick, Nick Cave, number four, Radiohead. You know, we were like, is this like some kind of joke or something? Yeah. So they really liked it, but it was hilarious. Cause when we came over, we kind of like played like a metal band or whatever. You know, we were like very, very like so like kind of in your face, rock and roll. There was so many people that were like, and their honesty can be so hilarious too. Oh, you remember this to be so familiar with it. They were like, they were just like, uh, we really like your album a lot. We do not enjoy your show. Yeah. There's like, so, so, so it kind of all like, it was fun and we had a lot of fun. But I think, you know, we didn't even understand the concept of, uh, what it all meant or like what people want. It was interesting. It was really, really interesting, uh, cause it's almost like, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, it is what it is, but it was just such a, such a trip. That's so funny. Cause we toured all over the Benelux region. Like we toured all over Holland and Belgium to do this thing. And Luxembourg, if you're, if it's Benelux, let's not forget Luxembourg. Yeah. No, definitely not. I love that you refer, it's been so long since anyone said Benelux. Yeah. We used to drive around. We used to do a lot of traveling shows. And so we would drive all around. We would never go to the, uh, Belux, but we were in the net a lot. And, uh, it is really funny cause it's, uh, I mean, it's a beautiful country, but it's also like, I don't know, it's like so much far. It's like such farmland. Like it feels like ultimately when you're on the road, other than the fact that the cars are weird looking, like you could kind of be anywhere until you get into the city. We said that so many times, especially cause when our studio was out in Shelbyville, Kentucky, which is like 30 minutes outside of Louisville in the country. And there's so many drives where we were like, we could just be driving to Shelbyville right now. It's like it really is all, all the same. Um, but yeah, it was such an aming, but Amsterdam, Amsterdam alone is just like what a city that is. I know. I really, I'm now just like retroactively bummed out that we didn't cross paths cause that was, I mean, I, that was when I peaked. That is so funny that you all were when you peaked. Genuinely. I wish I could say that. No shame in saying that. Um, but I will tell you my best, uh, concert experience at the Paradeesa was, uh, it was a double bill of Sunvolt and the Jayhawks. Oh, but it was weird cause the sun, sorry, Sunvolt played downstairs first. And then, uh, the Jayhawks played in that bigger room. Yeah. I don't quite know why they did that, but, uh, there was some confusion. And when the Jayhawks came out, there were like three songs in and someone's like, what is Sunvolt coming out? And they had to be like, Oh, they already, their show's over. It was earlier. And it was like, six people super bummed out. Yeah. Oh God. I was, I was at the Paradeesa when, uh, when Seth, when I found out that Seth got Saturday Night Live, I was at a show there and stepped out to the loading dock because I, he called me and it was, uh, yeah. Do you remember what show you were seeing? I do not. Yeah. Uh, I know I saw Beck do a show there and they were just like ripping through the first set and then he did one of his Beck like splits and popped up, uh, and he broke his wrist and that was the end of the show. Yeah. And like, I was with someone who knew someone in the band and the, someone in the band came out and was like, Oh yeah, we're, we're done. He broke his wrist. He's going to the hospital. Oh man. And we saw, it was funny. We saw a ween at the Paradeesa once and I'll never hear. It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Like we came in kind of late. They've probably been on stage for 30 minutes and like, you know, the place is packed, sold out and like all we heard was like feedback going on. And we like went up to one of the balconies and like they're all on stage. And, uh, one of the guitar, the guitar players like land back in a chair with his leg is broken and it's up on a stool. And his guitarist is feeding back and the drummers back there, like hitting a sampler pad that like makes cricket noises or something. There's just like all of this noise going. Then we talked to somebody and we're like, what is going on? And they're like, they always do this. They always get way too high and then they just go up there and then they just like make these noises. It was so, it was so, it was so funny. The noise they were making was pretty, was pretty great, but it was just hilarious that they were just let it go that far. And the Paradeesa is an old church. Like it's so beautiful. Yeah. Did you, uh, so was that when you went over there, that's the first time you were on a plane was to go internationally? Yeah. So did you, were you like, oh, fuck planes, fuck up your sleep. Did you know there was only red eyes? My, my sleep's always been fucked up. Oh, and I think we connected through New York or whatever. You know what I mean? Did your, uh, was it the first time for most of your bandmates as well? Or were you, uh, no, they had all been on trips. For some reason we had just, my family would never gone anywhere you couldn't drive. You know, we just never had the money, uh, to even get a plane ticket or whatever. So I think, uh, that, because that was another thing with touring and all of that kind of stuff was like, we all just worked at subway or the coffee shop or whatever. You know, and there was, and that was fascinating that, uh, Ben, the guy from the Paradeesa, somehow pulled enough together to get us plane tickets to come over to do these shows, you know, as it was really, really cool. Did you, over the years, have you had a favorite other than, um, uh, the Benelux? Was there a country you went to that was maybe more fun than you would have expected to do concerts at? You know, it's, it's just a day by day thing for me. And it doesn't matter what country I'm in or what, where I'm in. It's more like a mental kind of health thing, you know, because sometimes, some days you're, if I'm feeling good and it's a, it's a good day, I can have fun on the darkest day in the dreariest place, you know, or vice versa. You know, if I'm like feeling bummed or whatever, you can be whatever at a crazy thing that's supposed to be awesome or whatever, but you're like, you know, battling, battling the demons or whatever. I always feel like I, I'm like, uh, I find there's like sort of, uh, the oppressive expectations of a beautiful day and a place that's fun. Yeah. It's just not for me. Like I know for a fact, the place I would have the least amount of fun is a carnival in Rio. It's like, you know what I mean? Like this is not for me. I can't get my energy. Children's book. You should do a children's book called the oppressive expectations of a beautiful day. It's really just, that's a good, that's a good phrase. Do you and the band, do you ever try to build in sort of, uh, a few days at the tail end of a tour where you're somewhere in the world? Like, Hey, we're finishing in Spain and then we're just going to like spend five days and yeah, anytime we end up, like whenever we go to Japan or Australia or something like that, especially if it's a huge, huge trip, I always take four or five days by myself and just like travel around. And, uh, Japan is one of my favorite places to go and just like get lost to there, you know, just like ride the subway around and ride the Yamunote line around. It's like you can switch the screen to English so easily and you can get on the circle and ride the train around and get off random places. And, uh, I love that feeling of just being like, um, it's so cool when you're like able to get completely lost, you know, in a beautiful way where you're like, I have no idea even which restroom is the men's or women's. He has like, I don't, don't know anything about anything. I can't, I can't tell what's going on. And it's nice when you have the time to do that, you know, and just like, just let yourself kind of get lost in that way. Yeah. The nice thing in those Japanese toilets is they're always going to have those heated seats. Yes. Or the, or the trough style or that. Yeah. It's Easter. Do you tend to, in Japan, do you tend to stay in cities or have you gone out into the countryside or into the smaller towns? We've always usually stayed in, in cities and that's one thing. Whenever we go back next, um, I'd love to spend some more time out in the countryside and doing that kind of stuff. But yeah, usually I've stayed in Tokyo and, um, kind of explore that area. We've gone to Kyoto and, um, some other places, but yeah, it's usually been pretty metropolitan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's still the bucket list place I most want to go. It's just like three weeks in Japan. Have you been at all? Never been. I was, uh, my wife and I were sort of had circled that, uh, we would go to the Tokyo Olympics because of working at NBC. That's always an option. And then that was the COVID Olympics. And so, although I have said that to people since, and they've said that would have been the worst time to go. You know, if you want them, if you want the truth. So difficult. Yeah. It's like, I like to, I'm going to, I'm waiting to go to New Orleans until there's a Super Bowl. It's just like, that's not what you want to go up. Yeah. Have your, as your shows sort of, as your career progressed and you played some more international things in some bigger venues, did your family, uh, would your family ever travel to, would you ever say like, Hey, come see us in, you know, they travel a lot. My family will travel a lot in the States. They, they like to come to like Red Rocks when we play Red Rocks, you know, places like that that are, uh, fun kind of destination place. So they'll come to New York or Chicago and hang out and, uh, you know, have some fun and see the sights and, uh, explore a little bit. Um, uh, yeah, that's, they, they love coming to Red Rocks, especially that's, that's always a really great, great. Do they sit, are they on the side of the stage or are they out in the audience? Uh, they kind of can have full reign, you know, especially my parents. I just, you know, we get, I give them passes and make themselves at home. Are they good? Are your parents, do you ever have any fear that your parents will, uh, embarrass you? No, they never have. And I don't think they ever would. They're pretty like, you know, they're pretty quiet people that are sweet. And, you know, they're like, and we all kind of have a thing. I think just the way they were raised and the way they raised me, we don't ever want to be in the way, you know, we're always like, I'll get out of here. You know, I don't want to be in your way. You know, they're very conscious of that. So no, they're always great guests. We, uh, myself and my, uh, our parents are guests on Seth's Thanksgiving show every year, and then our parents will come on this podcast and they will be recognized. Do your fans recognize your parents in crowds? Do you know? That's a good question. You will sometimes, I hear they do, or somebody will tell them that they're my parents or whatever, you know, or they'll be wearing a my morning jacket, T-shirt or whatever. You know, and, uh, so yeah, I know they've had some really sweet interactions with people out in the crowd and stuff. Uh, yeah. Yeah. It is so, it's so cool. I mean, it's just like, yeah, I feel so lucky to have had, uh, such supportive parents. You know, it's like, I think that obviously is just like, you know, for a long time, I think any parents are like, what, you know, you want to play rock and roll? Good luck. Yeah. Well, same things with comedy, you know? Yeah. Oh God, I'm sure. Absolutely. Yeah. What, what are you trying to do? Yeah. I, well, I think our parents supported it quickly because I do think they were like, what the fuck else are they going to do? They're not good. They're not good at math. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Same for me. Yeah. Yeah. They don't feel like, uh, America's lost a great doctor. Totally. Yeah. Jim had a promising career in accounting. Subway. He was a sandwich artist. I did love working at Subway. That was one of my favorite jobs. I worked at a New England sub chain called DeAngelo's and, uh, I loved working there as well. Although I remember once going over to a girl I liked house afterwards and I walked in and her whole family was like, oh my God. You smell like onions. I'm like, oh, right, right, right. Definitely go home and shower first. Oh yeah. Um, uh, this has been fantastic and, uh, thank you for joining us. Bear stories are no bear stories. Yeah, exactly. We're content. Yeah, I'm glad. But we wouldn't like you to get out in the world and try to at least me one bear and then come back and report on how it went. I did see a bear climb into a dumpster once outside of Levon Helms house in the upstate New York. We were, uh, it's incredible that you didn't think this was the story to tell. Yeah, I actually, yeah, that's like, and it was so funny because the bear, uh, they told us there would be bears. They're like, watch out for bears. They're friendly. This is a black bear, not a grizzly bear, but we were in there and we heard this wham, wham, kind of rumbling and we looked outside and saw this black bear with his, uh, claws and head up, peeking into the dumpster, you know, kind of scuttling on the dumpster and we watched it and it wham, wham, wham, flipped over the side, fell into the dumpster. And then, uh, a couple of seconds later, its head came up and it had a whole wrapped, uh, block of like deli ham that it expired. That's great. They threw away and it was just like the cutest picture of it holding up this deli ham. That's great. That's my best lens. I mean, I also like, uh, I could imagine that Levon Helm would be a guy who would order too much ham. Like he would just like be in the butcher and be like, I think it's going to be a big ham week for me. And then he's like, give me two blocks, two blocks, please. I'm like, oh shoot. I mean, that must have been pretty special to, uh, I assume that you were friendly with Levon Helm if you were at his house. Oh my God. Well, he had a studio. We had never met him before and, uh, we were, that was our big question. Will we see him? Will we meet him? And, uh, we were there for like a day and we hadn't seen him. We hadn't met him and I don't smoke a lot of weed. Um, but, uh, we were recording there and I was like, pretty, pretty high for some reason. I went out to the bus to get something and I came back in and I heard this voice and I was like, oh my God, is that, is that the voice I think it is? And I like round, round the upstairs and I came upstairs and he's sitting there with the guys, you know, just like blazing a huge joint and, uh, gave us like, I don't know how much weed, but like a huge pile of weed. And he's like, just like ripping and he's like, you know, reaches over to shake my hand and like hands me the joint, you know, and I'm like, one hit max and I'm just so, so stoned and I couldn't, couldn't turn down the joint from leave on and, uh, was just so, you know, just couldn't, couldn't believe that I was staring at him and, uh, and then, uh, he didn't stay long. He just said hi or whatever and left and then he kept every day he would leave a little, another little pile of weed on the amp or whatever. It was like a little note, like here's some more weed in case you're all running out or whatever and it kept growing and growing. It was so sweet. And then we got to play with him a few times after that and he was the best. He was so, so sweet, just unbelievable. I mean, that's incredible. Like when you get to, uh, you know, one, meet a hero and two, have him be even more than you could have imagined. Nothing quite like it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he does elf on the shelf for you, except with weed. All right, Josh is going to ask you our speed round questions. All right. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous or educational? Relaxing. What is your favorite means of transportation? Car. If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with? Well, the Rolling Stones. Great. If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be? That's tough. I can't pick any favorites. So I'm going to have to pick my parents dog, Gracie. Gracie. Sounds like a wonderful companion. You are from Louisville. If you had to get more families to come visit Louisville, how would you sell them on the city? Oh my God. Louisville is one of the most beautiful places you've ever seen. I mean, Louisville, the way I try to explain to people, it holds a magic similar to New Orleans. You know, it's like a very beautiful, lush, green place filled with like lots of spirits and lots of energy and lots of, there's a lot of magic here and there's a lot of, it's a really kind of swirling. It's near the Ohio River and there's just a really interesting mix of like so many different cultures here and so many different walks of life and so many people from so many different backgrounds kind of all mixing together. And yeah, it's a really, really beautiful, special place. So much beautiful nature. You know, Muhammad Ali's from here. You know, it's a really, really special place. Yeah, we've both been, we love it. And then Seth has our final questions. Have you been to the Grand Canyon? God, I've only been once. My first girlfriend and I drove out there from Louisville on my first road trip, huge road trip as a 20 year old or whatever. And we stopped, we looked in and we were like sick and then we headed on to Las Vegas. Do you feel like you've left, is there an itch unscratched? Would you go back? Absolutely. I would love to go back and really spend some time there. I would love, aren't there, I don't know if I have the bravery to like ride a donkey down in there or something, but I would get, if somebody had a program where they had a helicopter, the helicopter's in like a premium yurt experience, you know, deluxe bed, deluxe hot tub and accommodations, all that kind of stuff that feels like this is a gym. This feels like this isn't a fit. This is a wish list. This is a wish list. You keep, the more you talk, the less you're describing the Grand Canyon. Are you trying to play on a voyage to the Grand Canyon? Yeah. Well, you sound like we certainly can't afford your voyage. We're like if somebody could like fill it in so it wasn't a hole. I don't walk across it. Yeah, put a Starbucks on top. Thank you so much for your time, man. It was so cool talking to you, Jim. Thanks so much, y'all. Yeah, let me know if you get back to Louisville sometime. We will. We'll do. Yeah, absolutely. Let me know. Thanks for having me. All right, thanks, brother. Cheers, y'all. Bye-bye. Thanks. Jim James, Jim James grew up in Louisville, moved out to Georgia, and quickly had his fill. Move back, move back. To Kentucky again. He watched the Muppet show and made some lifelong friends. Met a chump who still plays the drums in the band. Early days, gigs, they'd play, sleeping on the floor, but on top of wanting more. But the time in Huntsville still haunts Jim because of that spaceship. Oh, that spaceship, it was inside a tank. And Jim thought, yeah, no thanks. It wasn't long drive, something just didn't drive. About that spaceship, about that spaceship still has troubling thoughts about those astronauts. On that spaceship, Florida heat donuts, over hot donuts. But that spaceship, oh, that spaceship, he'd look out from the beam, wondering what's underneath. His version of C-6 was worried he might kick the spaceship, underwater spaceship, even one in a lake. It's more than he can take. Scared of them spaceships.