The INSANE “Disaster Draft” Rule in Pro Sports

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I wore the blue button-down as well. Yesterday, I wore that same flannel button-down. No, I didn't. That's why I'm going to get you some Farity shirts. That's fine, but that's not accurate. By the way, this is a gift from you that I'm wearing today. Yes, well, fanatics, really. Well, fanatics. I just made it happen. I got you. But, you know, I just got this as a gift, so I'm wearing it today. Looks good on you. To say thank you. I think it looks great on you. Yeah, it looks great on you. Looks great on you. Good on you. No, great on you. Great. By the way. Yesterday I wore, and people got on me. A couple people tweeted at me. I wore that flannel shirt from our picture day. Yeah. And underneath I had a Epcot Disney shirt. Oh, is that what you got on? Yes. Yeah. Worst place on earth. Oh, I love that. Real quick. Are you familiar with the concept in professional sports of something that's referred to as the disaster draft? You ever heard that term before? The disaster draft? Yeah. What is it like? The answer's no, it's fine. Evan Neal getting picked seventh overall? No, no, no. I guess that would be a disastrous draft. Oh, okay. Yes. Did you know that there's something that exists in all four major North American sports that is known as the disaster draft? I'm going to walk you through it. Okay. Because I'm fascinated by it. The disaster draft? Yeah. So this is a legitimate thing that exists in pro sports that I've never heard anyone in the world ever talk about. But it's been collectively bargained. So it's in all four sports. Unions have agreed to it. Okay. And teams have this as a fail-safe for some optionality in the case of something really bad happening. A disaster. A disaster. Okay, so now I follow. But you don't know what a disaster is. I'm going to give you the definition of a disaster. So I'll use the NBA as an example. In the NBA, the disaster draft clause in the NBA is a contingency plan that activates if five or more players on a team die or are dismembered. Die or are dismembered. And it's very specific language. So God forbid five guys after a game hop in a sprinter to go out for dinner with their wives or girlfriends. Right. and that sprinter gets in an accident and five guys die or get dismembered, the disaster draft automatically kicks in. Now, in the NBA, that would mean that there would be an immediate and special disaster draft. Every other NBA team would be allowed to protect five players and only five players under contract, meaning their best guy off the bench is now available. You can't lose more than a single player per team. And when the team that lost to five or more players replaced those players, they would continue playing on their season. And after the season, those five guys would actually return back to the teams that they were lent from. That's the NBA's version of disaster draft. Wow. I'd never heard of that before. No. Hey, baseball's got one. Okay. The baseball disaster draft. I guess it's got to be more than five. Which is referred to as Rule 19 of the official professional baseball rules book. The plan is triggered by an event. Excuse me. It's crazy. By an event causing the death dismemberment again. They're big on that dismemberment. I've never seen a contract with dismemberment. I got foot. If you lose a foot or an arm. But five guys all lost their hands or something in an accident? That would be odd. Again, of at least five players from a team's active injured or suspended roster, they then have a restocking draft. And every other Major League Baseball team would have to make available one pitcher, one catcher, one outfielder, one infielder, and one more player of any position that could then be drafted to fill the guys that were dismembered or killed. How about that? That's crazy. Yeah, so that's Major League Baseball. That's collectively bargaining? That is collectively bargaining. That is bizarre. The NFL's got one. I guess it would have to be. So the NFL is a little bit more complicated. The NFL has a contingency plan. More players on the roster. Yeah. So what the NFL does is, the NFL has a plan called a near disaster plan and a disaster plan. The near disaster plan would be defined as fewer than 15 players on a team being disabled. A disaster plan would be if more than 15 guys were disabled with some kind of, God forbid, tragedy accident. No special draft would be held for a near disaster. That team would instead get preferential rights on any waivers throughout the end of the season. Guy gets released, can't have clear waivers. They go right to the top of the waivers. You have the first crack at it regardless of what your record is, okay? For disaster, Roger Goodell could then determine either to cancel the season for that team, which is obviously a possibility, or that team would have the first pick in the next regular draft. They would also have a special draft in which, again, every other team in the NFL would be allowed to protect a maximum of 32 players. And again, only lose one player, everybody else comes back. but you know how morbid that is? It's extremely morbid. But I guess with all the travel, but if you travel, the whole team goes down. That's what I'm saying. Like the Marshall football team way back in the day, right? Right, of course, the Marshall football. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. If the whole team goes down, my gut is they would not try and draft an entire new roster. If an entire team were down, I think they would just cancel the season for that team. And somehow figure out the schedule. I don't get the record and schedule. I guess you have a bye and this and that. But that's been collectively bargained and negotiated. Yeah, yeah. It's strange. It is strange. Oh, I can see your brain working. Well, I don't want to be a bad guy, so I'm not going to say what's on my mind. Okay, what's on your mind? I'm saying, like, if you're the Nets, like, you know. Maybe that'd be, you know. You'd be able to pick, find that you think you could field a better Nets team. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. What's wrong? Jets, maybe, you know, all of a sudden, get some better talent. Don't make me the bad guy. You're saying the Jets are, like, right now reading that? Like, we found a loophole. I'm just saying, like, yeah, maybe. Maybe. Obviously, I'm not rooting for that to happen. No. I'm just saying, don't act like your mind didn't go there. Come on. Like, you're a Jet fan or a Nets fan. At no point did you think, oh, that's interesting. You know? Let's home meet in Montana for a fishing trip. No. No? Well, you were telling the story. I found it fascinating and interesting that they would have that kind of draft or that kind of thing in place, which, I mean, I guess you watch the Marshall movie or whatever, or think of that story. Yeah, we are Marshall, right. And you go there, right? You think, like, what would happen if something tragic happened? I'll stop you there for one second. I've thought of that before. Starting we're up. I'm actually, and this is morbid, it's more amazing to me that that's the only time it's happened. It's true. With all the air travel that professional teams and college teams do in a year, and knock on wood, thank God, that's the only time here. I know there's been some soccer teams in Europe where it's happened, but the fact that that's the only time in North American sports where we lost an entire team of athletes to a plane crash is amazing. It is. Considering all the travel. Right, and you think about it. No, I'm saying, so I've considered, I've pondered for whatever, you know, not too hard, I guess, but every once in a while, it pops in your head like, what would they do if an entire team, Like if that happened like anytime you hear a story about you know they were delayed they didn get in they didn get into Toronto until six o in the morning because there was a lightning storm or you know one of the engines weren working on the plane or whatever And so anytime you hear that story you think like what would they do And if God forbid like the worst happened there an actual plan in place A designated survivor So, yeah. So there's plans in place not for the entire team, for a certain specific amount of guys. But obviously, if you lost an entire team, they'd have a restocking draft. It'd be like an expansion team. The next year. 100%. Yeah, they would have to. You would make sure that, you know, 100%. I think that's exactly what they would do. What would happen, like, again, this is morbid. I hate even putting the thought out there. Would you finish the season with the sport, though? I think you would. If you lost an entire franchise to a plane accident, because that's kind of what we're talking about. I don't know how else it would happen with the entire team. Well, I guess it would be invaded a team's compound or something, like Venezuela or something. But let's go with the plane crash. That's better. I'm just saying. Yes, if someone invaded the entire complex. Yeah, like all of a sudden a bunch of Delta Force guys repelling down from helicopters, taking everybody out. Or an asteroid hit their building. Perhaps an asteroid's a better example. Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah, I think they'd finish the season. You think they would? 100%. They wouldn't cancel the NFL season that they lost an entire franchise. No. I don't even think it's a question. By the way, I don't think any sport would. If one single team, God forbid, had that kind of tragedy, I think they'd try to figure out, and for teams that have already played against them, we're just going to wipe that game off your schedule. They obviously have to figure something out schedule-wise and record-wise, obviously. But I think, I would think, you know, that this is really going to come across as crass. I'm not even sure if they take a week off. Oh, they would take a week off. You think so? Yeah. Really? Mm-hmm. You think the NFL would say no games next week because of that kind of tragedy? I think so. That'd be the right thing to do. Yeah, I think they would. That'd be the empathetic thing to do. I think they would. But I don't view the NFL as having either one of those qualities. maybe they would I would think that they would I think that that kind of tragedy they would pause the season maybe multiple weeks while they figured out the scheduling do you think a team's ever used the disaster clause has a team ever lost five guys I remember when I lived in Cleveland and did sports talk in Cleveland that was that terrible boating accident with Bobby Ojeda and um shoot Steve Olin and there was another guy I remember the boat hit like a dock and unfortunately two of those guys passed away I think Bobby O'Hita was with them. If I'm wrong, I apologize. I'm pretty sure Bobby was there with the Indians at the time. But I don't think they ever enacted the disaster clause for that. No, I don't think so. Because I think it was like one or two guys. Do you remember their names, Petey? Steve Olin was one. And I think Bob was with them as well. Was there another guy? Tim Cruz. Yeah, they both died, right? Yeah. But I would think it's never happened before. And then obviously Thurman. Thurman months in, but that's just one player. So disaster clause exists. Jose Fernandez was one player. We're not going to enlist every time an athlete died during the season. It's happened. We've never lost like 10 of them from one team. No. So there you go. Crazy, though, right? That is crazy. Can you imagine that? But my mind did go to a bad place. To a bad place. Yeah. This is a loophole. If you're Evan Roberts, you're like, oh. Would the Raiders protect Max Crosby? That's what he's probably thinking right now. Like, okay, who we draft? Who's available? Who's available? I need a shooting guard. Who's available? Who's available? But like, and then you play it out like, you know, the Knicks would lose like Mitchell Robinson, right? Theoretically could. I'm just, you know, so that'd be crazy. But then you get him back at the end of the Knicks. That's an interesting thing. He comes in the NBA. He goes, he reverts back to the team that originally had him under contract. And now I don't know how they filled the other spots, I guess. I mean, but, and here, this is where my mind goes. One hell of a story. Disaster championship. A disaster championship. A disaster championship. So five guys perish, you replace them and win the title. Win the whole thing. Wow. That would be something epic. Yeah. That's a movie. That is a movie. That's a movie. Well played, sir. Yeah. Do you think if, what would happen if like a Super Bowl team crashed on the way out to the Super Bowl site? Cancel the Super Bowl? Yes. Or do you take the team that they beat in the AFC Championship game to play in the Super Bowl? You know what? You're right. No, I think they would. What do you do? It's the Super Bowl. It's the Super Bowl. What do you think happens in that regard? That'd be a weird decision to make. That would be a weird decision. Right? Hey, Stafford, you're back in. My gut is they would cancel the Super Bowl. I don't think they would say the next up. Yeah. You don't think so? No, I don't think so. I don't think we've never canceled the Super Bowl. No. Right? We've never enacted the disaster. We've never enacted the disaster clause. It's a crazy clause to have. That is crazy. Where did you see this? I do things. You do things? I have a lot of free time. Yeah. Always searching for stories and things to talk about. If entire team dies. Yeah. Crazy, right? Here is Johnny in North Jersey on the fan. Johnny, how are you? How are you doing? Thank you guys for taking my call. Sure. You got it, John. So I want to go back to the Joe Judge. And I'm going to preface this by saying I have my PhD in kinesiology. Now, I am not defending. It's a fake study. Stop. Oh, you put scotch tape on people's elbows and you think it helps them? Stop. kinesiology. I kind of agree. He agrees. And I'll never forgive my father for letting me take it as a major. Go ahead. What he said, but what he said is not inaccurate. It's correct. Sleep deprivation does have a direct impact on athletic performance, cognitive functioning. Now, the way he said it may not have been the kindest way, and there are certainly sacrifices that need to be made, But when you're trying to get that 1%, 2%, or 3% difference as an athlete, and sleep deprivation is impacted. But, John, here's the thing. It's funny to me that we're going to go sit down and have a conversation with a gal that's about to have a baby or just had a baby with one of the players and let that gal know and let the player know about how important your responsibility to the team is and, you know, the time you've got to put in and got to make sure you get your sleep. But, you know, five nights a week, that guy's out partying. you're not trying to knock girls up having a good time playing video games like what are we doing like all of a sudden oh my god there's a baby involved so now we're going to remind the woman how important her man is and his responsibilities to the university but you know that guy's up to 3 o'clock in the morning ripping bong hits and playing Call of Duty and he's just fine on Saturday at 12 o'clock like let's not forget what we're talking about talking about 19, 20, 21 year old kids in some cases 25-year-old adults in the prime of their athletic lives, and you guys act like they're living the lives of a monk. Like maybe BYU kids are. You know, not all of them. See that one kid just got in trouble today? No. Oh, you didn't see that story? The star wide receiver BYU just got arrested. Yeah. For what? For sex. Yeah. What was the term you told them that they do? What are they? Is it called soaking? Oh, it's called soaking. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's called soaking. And what they do is, so the guy and the gal get together. They fit that puzzle piece together. And then they vibrate the bread. The bed. Yeah. So the guy doesn't like no gyrations, no humping. The bed vibrates like you're in the Poconos. And then he soaks her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this guy was charged with rape. Oh, my God. Yeah. BYU star wide receiver Parker Kingston charged with felony rape in Washington County. So there you go. 21 years old. Investigation began February of 25. 20-year-old woman reported sexual assault to officers at a regional hospital, and they just charged him. So there you go. You know, BYU, you're not allowed to have sex. That's the whole point of that. Right. I understand. That's why they come up with soaking or whatever. I just saw a video where they went around asking, like, would you soak? Something about, like, they don't drink coffee. Like, that was one of the things, too. Is that right? Yeah, I guess it's against the Mormon thing. You can't have coffee? I guess. They were like, would you rather give a million dollars to charity? Or would you rather have a cup of coffee or give a million dollars to charity? I'm like, well, I can't drink coffee. It was that bad. That's interesting. So no caffeine allowed, huh? I guess. They must have a lot of ice cream there. What the hell do you do there? Churn their own. Can of sex, can't drink coffee? Yeah. What do you do? You go bowling all the time? Bowling's fun. I mean, their sheets must be stiff like planks of wood. Are you allowed to do that? I don't know I would I don't know it's a good question are you allowed to self gratify yeah I don't know that is a very good question you get called in front of the judicial board I Billy what'd you do well look it was I was lonely you know Mary Palmer and her sisters were over I was like tonight's tonight ladies we're having a good time you suspended by you yeah it possible here Steve in Long Island on the fan Stevie what do you got kiddo Craig, Big Mac, love the show. How are you guys doing? Doing great, thanks. Craig, I am the same age as you. I am a New York Knick basketball fan. My man. However, I would classify myself as more of a basketball fan first, Knick fan second. All right. So with that said, growing up, Dr. J was my guy. That was my young, in the young ages. And then it was Bird and Magic. And then it was Michael. And then it was Kobe. I don't understand your, this thing with LeBron. I am not calling him the goat at all. I love Michael and Kobe more. I don't love some of LeBron's antics. Right. But I don't, I think you're embarrassing yourself a little bit. Sure. By not paying homage to the player that he is. What kind of what? You just like some of the things about him. Yeah. But please, let's give him his due. He's ruined the sport of basketball. Why? Because he didn't do the slam dunk contest? No. And things like that. I hear you. But there's a lot of things that younger people do that change. You're such an old head that change is such a problem. How do you ruin basketball? No. Matter of fact, I like change. I think change is imperative in every aspect of life and sports as well. I think that he and the generation of players that he's led couldn't hold a candle to the guys you mentioned that I obviously grew up with and loved playing, watching play as well, Magic and Bird and Michael and Kareem and Kobe and those guys. And he is a stat padder. He takes games off against teams that he can't compete against. He'd rather play every game against New Orleans Pelicans because he'll put up good numbers. It has never been about... In the latter years, in the latter years, let's not make it seem like that was something he did habitually through his career. You're celebrating the man today, so that's part of his career. So I have to look at his entire career. Great player, yes, 100%. His entire career? Please, but look at his entire career. Yes, I have. Let's not forget about the 25 points against, you know, was it Detroit in that game. I mean, the guy's been an amazing basketball player. He's one of the 25 greatest players to ever play basketball, yes. He also chased championships and built super teams because he couldn't win them on his own. He's a stat pander now. He's an insufferable narcissist. He's a flopper. And he does not make teams better. And he thinks he's the greatest thing on God's green earth. He may not make a team better now, but he certainly has made teams better in the past. And you're right. He's hanging on now. And it is an older guy just hanging on. But, again, I find some of your comments towards it a little bit off. But you just agree with every one of them. He has no humility whatsoever. He walks around like he's God's gift. He never had good handles. He has one great defensive play on his entire resume. Everybody talks about the block in, was it game six in the NBA finals, which was a great play. He's had a great career. He's largely stayed out of trouble. He's also been able to pay off a good portion of the media not to cover him the way they cover other guys when it comes to alleged PED use and other things. Allegedly. I said allegedly and other things along those lines. and if you ask him, he'll tell you he's the greatest player of all time, but he's not. I agree that he's not the greatest of all time, but I do put him in the top 10, and I also feel privileged since Michael Jordan to be able to watch LeBron. Okay, let me ask you a quick question, and this will be a fun little conversation to have, and I love having it because I appreciate where you're coming from. What would you say is the signature aspect of LeBron's game that you love watching? exactly that's my point you don't have an answer because there is no answer he's not the best dribbler he's not the best shooter he's not the best defensive player what would you say about Kobe because I think they're such complete basketball players I don't think of one thing when you say Kobe or Michael I start thinking of all the things they do very well LeBron doesn't do any of those things better than any of those guys he's not a killer he's not a great shooter He's not a great scorer. He's not a great defensive player. He's a really good all-around basketball player. He sees the floor and his ability to pass and put players in a position to succeed. And again, I think he's one of the best team captains. You know, when he was back in Cleveland and Miami, he was the reason why those teams won those titles. I know he had Bosh and Wade, and he had guys with him in those. But again, when he went to the finals with Cleveland and those awful teams, that was on LeBron's shoulders. And he needs to get credit for that. He may not. He's not as good as Kobe and Michael and some other players. So I don't. I give you that. You and I are on the same page. He's not the greatest player of all time. He's top 20. I agree. But every time his name comes up, you make a face like you're selling the best farts. Because as a basketball fan, it pains me to my core that he takes off a game against the Spurs and claims that he's got some kind of ankle issue, but he's going to play tonight against the Mavericks with Cooper Flagg on the bench. It pains me when a month and a half ago he didn't play against the San Antonio Spurs, but he made sure he was in the lineup against the New Orleans Pelicans. That pisses me off as a basketball fan. because like you, I want to see LeBron James play at his best because his career is coming to an end, and I'm not going to get to see him play. But he's not going to play at his best anymore, so he's picking his moments. He's probably sore half the time, and he's picking his spots. Again, that's something that the other greats, and thank you for the call, Steve. Those guys never did that. You know, I know I'm going to be the old guy in the lawn yelling and screaming. Those guys played 82 games a year because it meant something to them. LeBron James has never done that. Those guys never would have ever considered load management. It was a foreign word to them. And the fact that LeBron comes out now and says, you know, the game's a lot harder to play today than it was in the 80s or 90s, that's comical. Because today's game, unfortunately, is let's get open from 25 feet away from the goal and shoot 50, 60, 73 pointers a game. There's no physicality to basketball. The way there was when those guys played, when Isaiah Thomas got bloodied, Orlean Beer was literally clotheslining Michael Jordan. And the Celtics were doing the same thing. And I know I'm being romantic about basketball. A little bit. And I'm the old guy on the lawn yelling. Because, yes, those guys couldn't do a lot of the athletic things that today's players can do. But today's game is not an athletic game. Today's game is horse. Today's game is how far from the basket can I stand and knock down a three-point shot. And while they're great at it, and I can't believe their ability to shoot from 25 and 28 and even 30 feet with the regularity and the percentages they do. That ain't basketball. And that's why I think basketball's got a real problem. Tanking is a problem. Load management is a problem. The game itself is a problem, which is why playoff basketball is awesome. Regular season basketball, and I watch every game like you watch baseball, and I love basketball, and I'll never not love basketball. but we are talking about two different sports, regular season basketball, and I think LeBron is a big reason for the problem I have with regular season basketball is a different sport than postseason basketball. And I don't think anyone could argue that with me. I mean, I could push back on some of the stuff. Like, the game is different. You're right, the physicality, the nature of the game is different. They're also up and down the court with a lot more possessions. It's a lot more running. Because they shoot faster. It's a lot more running. It's a lot more, you know, it's different. And then the other thing I'll push back on, and I'm not trying to say Jordan's better, but we're going to hold LeBron James to how many games he played when he's 40. Jordan took two years off. You guys keep going back to that. It's a knock on Michael Jordan. I'm not trying to knock him. That's not load management. I know. I understand that. But LeBron's playing until he's 40. Yeah. He's picking and choosing when he plays so they can get to the playoffs. Jordan didn't play until he was 40, and he took two years off. Because he had nothing left to prove. I get it. LeBron James still wants people to talk about it. That's fine. That's an ego. That's a different argument. I get it. Michael's ego is different. A hundred percent. And by the way, he took the year and a half off. We're not going to count the Orlando Magic Series already when he won 45. He took two years off. Okay, but the reality is this. What did he do right before he retired the first time? Oh, that's right. He won a championship. One championship? Three championships. He won three consecutive championships. Correct. And then what did he do after that? Oh, that's right. My bad. I forgot. He won three more consecutive championships and this was not a LeBron MJ conversation I know you brought it up You brought up Jordan You brought up the compassion Magic and Bird and Isaiah and Mikael I get it. I'm talking about the greats. They didn't play to their 40. And again, I like those players better than I like LeBron. But to say LeBron, LeBron is good at everything. LeBron is a good person. He's good at everything, not great at anything. He's really good at a lot. He's really good at everything. He's a good defender. He sees the court like he said. He's a better passer than a lot of the guys you just mentioned. He's a better facilitator. Yeah, I think so. You take him as a passer over Bird? You take him as a passer over Magic? I take him as a passer over Isaiah? No. He's not a pole guard. Take him as a passer over MJ? Stop. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. It's a different game. No. Outside of a couple passes to John Paxton, I got, yeah. Oh, stop it. Stop it. Now you're just talking smack. I'm not. A couple passes to Paxton and Kerr. I'm just saying. Stop it. You think Jordan was a clearly better passer than LeBron? He was better at every aspect of the game. And I'll tell you this. LeBron James is bigger than Michael. He's stronger than Michael. And Michael did everything better than him. But I don't want to make this up on Michael LeBron debate. Because I fall on your side of that argument. Thank you. But I'm just trying to say. Yeah. Like. Crazy talk, you people. You're crazy as LeBron James. You guys get on your knees and like. You can't go 20 minutes. Service him like he's some kind of special dude. He's not. He's the most narcissistic, egotistical, me first guy. That's fine. In the history of basketball. That's fine. Do you remember what I mean? Dwayne Wade won a title before LeBron got there. And what's the first thing LeBron do? Choke against the Mavericks. First thing he did. Because we're winning six titles in Miami. You didn't. You didn't. Was he not the reason for the titles they won there? No. He wasn't the best player on that team. Dwayne Wade was the best player on that team. He joined Wade's team. Not the other way around. Now you've got to stop. Okay. All right. Ask Dwayne Wade that question. Ask Dwayne Wade. Ask Miami fans that question. Come on. Ask Chris Bosh that question. Who's the better player? Dwayne Wade or LeBron James? I'm going to think about it for a while. Oh, okay. Well, then think about it. We'll think about it for a little bit. We'll think about it during the break. Marinate in it. We'll think about it for a little bit. Come on. You've got to be fair. You want to make this strong argument, you've got a lot of really good points. Don't ruin it by being ridiculous and saying Dwayne Wade is better. Oh, I can make that argument. No, you can't. Oh, I'll make that argument. By the way, Petey, call Eddie House for me during the break. Have him come on. I'll break it down for you right there. All right? I'm not the biggest LeBron James fan. And I agree. That's the valuable question. Jordan's better, and a lot of those players are better. Fine. I'm not arguing that. But you're going to say, oh, he never took off games, and then praise Jordan he took off two years. Again. He cost his chance. He retired. They could have won three consecutive championships. I know, but you guys, you use that. You're not the only one. It was like, oh, load management, the guy took two years off. He retired from basketball. Yeah. And while retired, he was like, you know what? I miss it so much. I'm going to come back and did something no player has ever done. came out of retirement and won three straight titles. He retired at like 32. He also got suspended. Let's just call it the way it is. Well, no. They denied that. They denied it. You're going to buy into that now? You and I both know the guy got suspended. I don't know that. You took two years off. You believe that? You're a Jordan suspended guy? He was suspended. There's no doubt in my mind. Okay. Yes. Guy played 80 plus games every year of his career unless he was hurt. That I give you. Yeah. And I agree with the main comment that I agree with you, LeBron James. He's not the killer that Kobe and Jordan was. Never was. Never was. 100%. He's not the shooter they were. He's not the killer they are. I'll give you all of that. Here's a question for you. I'll give you 80%. But you go too far. Disaster draft. And to say he didn't improve teams. He didn't. Come on. What team did he make better? Every one he was on. He made the Lakers better? Yeah. Is that right? Okay. Yes. They won a championship. They did not win a championship. The bowl championship doesn't count. Very convenient. Nobody counts it. NBA players don't count. So keep that to the side for a second. I'm just saying. Did he make the Lakers better? Yeah. Than what they were? How did he make it better? They won a championship. No, that doesn't count. We're not counting that one. Okay, we're going to discredit. How many Western Conference Finals has he been to in LA? I know that he went to like seven NBA Finals consecutively on like three different teams, right? Thank God for Kyrie Irving. He was on Cleveland. Kyrie Irving hit the big shot. So did Steve Kerr and John Paxton. Stop. Stop it now. No, I'm just saying. Stop it now. I'm just saying. Stop it now. So did Robert Ori. Stop it now. I'm just saying. Big shot Bob. I'm just saying. Yeah. He was on Cleveland. They went to an NBA final. He left Cleveland. They won 20 games. Kyrie left Cleveland. No, Kyrie was then drafted by Cleveland after Jordan left. Oh, you're talking the second time. I'm Jordan after LeBron left. I know that he was on Cleveland and they went to championships. Front and back. I know he was gone in Miami and took his talents to South Beach for a time. And they were awful drafting at the top of the draft every year. That's what I know. Can I ask a question? Yes. Do you think that the Cleveland Cavaliers would have beaten Golden State if Draymond Green doesn't get suspended? Maybe not. Maybe not. Okay. So that's another reason why they won that championship. Is that fair down 3-1? Sure. If Draymond plays game six, maybe the outcome of that series is a little bit different. Is that fair? Of course. Did Draymond win before he got there? Yeah, with Shaq and a pretty good team. Come on, Shaq was 90. He wasn't 90. He wasn't the Celtics. Troy Walker, I think, was on that team, too. He was 90 also. He was still pretty good. Come on. They had a good team there. It was a good championship. 8-8. 8-8. 101-9. Just admit, he was the best team on Miami that won championships, and he made teams better. That's okay to say. I mean, they won a championship. He got there. They lost to the Mavericks. How does that make them better? Not back-to-back. How did that make them better? They won without him. He got there. They lost with him. They were better than the year before. Then they won two in a row. But I'm asking. I'm asking. Yes. Dirk Nowitzki and nobody beat that team. I understand that. Correct? They had a poor showing in the first championship. Poor showing? Yeah. That's right. They didn't play well. That's right. That's what they do. They got more players. Gotta get more guys. Obviously, we don't have enough. He ain't got enough. He ain't got enough. I think the... We better go get Kevin Love. He's Kevin Love in Cleveland. The title chasing is a fair argument. I'm not pushing back on it, but you go too far. By the way, did you see that Blake Griffin's a finalist for the Basketball Hall of Fame? Oh, won't that be a joke? He's not a whole. Ugh, he's not. Amari Stoudemire's a finalist, too. Another non-Hole of Famer. Ugh. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, you could argue. Buck Williams should get in. You mentioned changing basketball. You could argue that Phoenix team and Stoudemire kind of changed basketball a little bit. It was one of the most overrated teams in the history of basketball. Steve Nash was not the MVP. Twice. He robbed it from Kobe. Twice. That was obnoxious. Steve Nash, best player in basketball in my ass. Ugh. I'm sorry. Don't get me started. Look at you. He gets me angry. Steve Nash back-to-back MVPs like Kobe didn't dominate Steve Nash. Come on, stupid. Steve Nash shouldn't win any MVPs. He's got two of them. Embarrassing. Yeah. Kevin Johnson's a finalist also. I'm kind of a tweener on him. At least he played 12 years with one team. He's the first guy in NBA history to go 2010 and two steals on average for a season. I don't think he's a Hall of Famer. I don't think Amar is a Hall of Famer. I think Buck Williams should get in. Third most offensive rebounds of all time in the history of basketball. 16th total history of basketball. He hasn't played in 20 years. So I like Buck Williams for the Hall of Fame. You got to put some of the gals in. Shamika Holtzclaw probably gets in. And Candice Parker. Is it Candice Parker? Yeah. Is that right? I think so, yeah. Candice Parker. She gets in too. That's it. Oh, you want to put Mark Few in the Hall of Fame? Watered the whole thing down. Why not? He finally gets in. Two championships. Nice play. No titles. This is your subject Stop crying Make a couple baskets Very upset Because I love basketball I love basketball No you don't You love what basketball used to be Because they've ruined the sport By the way Postseason basketball Awesome Money Money Regular season basketball Outside of my Knicks winning by 49 last night It needs help We gotta do something The commissioner will be joining us after the All-Star game They confirmed that today So Adam Silver in studio probably the week after the All-Star game. So looking forward to have Adam in here. We'll talk some hoops with him. Take a quick break. Big Mac's got something to tell you. It's the Carton Show on the fan. 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