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The only show to see in London is turning the theatre world upside down. Stranger Things, the first shadow. The first shadow is the Stranger Things play. It's the origin of the upside down. It's probably the biggest, most technical design that audience will ever experience. Stranger Things, the first shadow. Book your tickets now at Stranger Things on stage.com. I'm Ina Garten. I love to invite interesting people to my house for good food, great conversation, and lots of fun. The incredible award-winning actress Alison Janney is joining me for a wonderful day at the barn. I'm welcoming her with baked fontina as a tribute to her childhood love of fondue, and she's sharing incredible stories about her life and work. It was the first time I was seen by millions. Millions. Millions, millions. Then we're cooking and having the best time as I share the secrets of making perfect cacio e pepe in my take on her all-time favorite pasta. You are totally my dream guest. Thank you so much. I love you so much. You're my host from hell. I can't wait to meet Alison Janney. I'm such a huge fan. We've actually been messaging each other for a year, but we've never met. She'll be here later, and I need cheese, and I'm heading to my favorite store in Sag Harbor. We're here. Okay, I need some fontina for a baked fontina, and I need some pecorino for a delicious pasta we're making later. I love the way it smells in here. I just want everything. I know. How are you? Okay, I'll take one of everything. No problem. Okay, I need one and a half pounds of fontina valdosta and one pound of aged pecorino. Perfect. So fontina is a very flavorful cheese. The best one is this one from Valdosta in Italy, and it's kind of like nutty and fruity at the same time. It's going to be delicious. And pecorino, aged, it's going to be delicious. And pecorino, aged pecorino, is a little like Parmesan, except it's made with sheep's milk cheese, so it's a little less salty and a little less nutty. It's delicious. Thank you very much. Thank you so much, Michael. Have fun. Take care. So I'm heading back to the barn to get everything ready, and in the meantime, I'll tell you everything I know about Alice and Jenny. Alice and Jenny, is an incredible multi-award winning star of stage, screen, and TV. Brought up in Dayton, Ohio with her two brothers, real estate developer Dad, an actress mom. She dreamt of becoming an Olympic figure skater, but after injuring her leg in a freak accident, her destiny changed, and she studied theater at Kenyon College, where she met her mentors, superstar actors Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward. Her acting career had a slow start, and after years of struggling playing minor roles, she made her Broadway debut at 37 in Noel Coward's Present Laughter, followed by View From The Bridge, earning her a Tony nomination. Her big TV break came with The West Wing, where she played C.J. Craig winning four Emmys. More awards followed for Masters of Sex and the sitcom Mom. Her recent series include Paul Meroyle and the Diplomat, where she plays the president. She starred in amazing movies from American Beauty, The Hours, to her Oscar-winning performance playing figure skater Tanya Harding's mom in the biopic I, Tanya. Allison lives in California with her beloved Australian kettle dogs, and I can't wait to meet her. Isn't Allison amazing? There's nothing she can't do. So I'm back at the barn, and I'm cutting up Fontina. Allison always requested Fundu for her birthday when she was a kid, so I'm making baked Fontina, which is an adult version of it. So it's the easiest dish to make in the world. Just take all the Fontina, one and a half pounds, just put it in a pan. I like to use a cast-iron skillet, and then a quarter of a cup of olive oil. This is a one-pan dish, and it's so good. And then I'm going to slice up lots of garlic, six cloves, really, really thinly. This won't take long. Okay, garlic's done. I'm just going to put it right in the pan. It's all distributed around. You don't want to dump it in the middle, and then lots of fresh herbs, fresh thyme, and then rosemary, just sprinkle it all over, lots of salt and pepper, like this. One pan, no muss, no fuss. I'll be cooking with I not in just a few minutes. I hope she remembers that I'm coming. Oh my God, my heart's kind of, my heart's kind of beating a little fast. OK, wait. Oh my God, OK, I think we're here. Oh my God, we're here. OK, OK, OK. Here we go. Where's my luck? Oh, and keep the engine running in case things don't go well. Hello. Ina? Hello? Anybody here? God, I'm going to tell them she was falling on her times. Hello? Anybody? It's Alice and Janne. I'm here. Ina? Yoo-hoo! I'm coming in. Don't shoot. There she is. Oh my God. Alice and Janne. I'm so happy to see you. I have been looking forward to this. I am here. I can't believe it, but yes I am. Come with me. So I understand when you were a kid. You didn't want a birthday cake for your birthday, you wanted fondue? Oh, I wanted fondue and cake. And birthday cake. Well, but I, you know, it was cheese fondue, beef fondue, and then chocolate fondue, and then the cake. So in your honor, I decided to make a big fontina. OK. So, will you have something with me? Um, no, I got other plans. I'm sure I'll have to go. Oh my God, that smells amazing. And the best part is you don't even need to play. You can just dip bread into it. Have you been to Niece Samton before? I have. I used to come out here quite a lot. Really? As I did plays at the Bay Street Theatre Festival. How did I not know that? You were at Niece Samton, I didn't know that? Yeah, why is that? I don't know. Why were you not supportive? A major failure of mine. Yeah, I'm telling you, because we did some great, fun plays out here. So this is really messy, isn't it? Yeah, it is. But it looks fabulous. Here, let's help. Oh, what a mess. Cheers. Oh my God. It's not any fun unless you're wearing it. It's just fantastic. Is it good? I'm so glad you like it. Wait a second, I don't want that whole glob. You say, oh my God, you took all my cheese. I took all my cheese. I think we need help. Okay, this is like, okay. There it is. Oh my God. Not over the throat. No, I'm not over the throat. I'm not over the throat. I'm not over the throat. I'm not over the throat. I'm not over the throat. I'm not over the throat. I'm not over the throat. I'm not over the throat. Grace then here from the podcast, Comfort Eating, currently being supported by M&M's Cookie Dough Flavour, a masterpiece of texture. You've got that classic, satisfying, crunchy M&M's chocolate shell, the one that gives away with a proper snap, and then inside you hit a gorgeous, creamy Cookie Dough Flavour centre. That's the most part. Well, it's all the joy of Cookie Dough Flavour with absolutely no baking required. 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That's so great that you say that because that's my job. That's what I want to do. I didn't, I can't ever judge my characters. I didn't hate LeBona Harding. I felt her wound inside. I found what it was that made her vulnerable and knew how much she hated herself. But it's always the writing for me. I see someone I read, you know, Aaron Sorkin's West Wing. This is incredible. There's nothing like that. And no one's going to ever watch it because nobody likes politics. Little did I know. Did you think that when you started? Oh yeah, I did. Because I was like, no one's going to watch this. It's a show about politics. Little, I was so wrong, thankfully. And then I read the show Mom, and that was about recovering alcoholics. And that was important to me because I lost my brother to that disease. And it was, I felt like that was an important thing for me to do. It felt good to do that. I'm your hard press to find anybody who doesn't have somebody in their family who struggles with it. Early in your career, did you ever doubt that you were going to make it? I really thought at one point it wasn't going to happen for me because everyone kept saying I was just too tall. I couldn't play, I'm on news. I wasn't fitting in anywhere. And I thought, well, what am I going to do? And I just kept holding out. I went to the Johnson O'Connor Institute in New York. They have an aptitude test. Oh really? Yeah, you were really desperate, right? I was. And they told me I'd make an excellent systems analyst. A systems analyst? Yeah, I had no idea. I was like, so I thought I better stick with the acting. Jeffrey says, you never know your good breaks or your bad ones. Something bad happens. And then from that, something good happens that never would have happened. Do you agree? I 100% agree. I had wanted to be an Olympic figure skater when I was growing up and I spent a lot of time at the rink skating and doing my compulsory figures and doing the tests. And I was pretty good. And then one night I was at a party. I ended up running through a plate glass window and that ended my skating career. I had to heal from that for a year at home. So I had to defer going to college. And then I finally went to Kenyon College where I ended up meeting Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward because Paul came back to direct the first play in the new theater they had built there. And I got cast in it and so began my relationship with Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward who became huge mentors for me. Which would never have happened. No. If you hadn't fallen through that plate glass window. Exactly. And waited a year to go to the college. It seemed like the worst thing that could have happened. And it turned out it was the making of your career. I love that story. Always a silver lining. What were the early highlights of your theater career? Noel Cowherd was my first Broadway production with Franklin, Gela, present laughter. And then I did Arthur Miller's View from the Bridge. I did do with the Delacorte in the park. I did Tamey of the Shrew. And I played Catherine the Shrew. And I screamed so much that the police would come always in the park because they'd get complex. Someone's getting murdered in the park. Murdered in the park. It was out in the park. No, that's just Alison Janney screaming in the park. There was one play with a hilarious name. Fat Men in Skirts. You have to tell me about this. It's the most bizarre title. I don't even know what it has to do with the play. It was about a mother and son who are getting a plane wreck and they survive on a desert island. And I remember one of my funniest lines. I had to say to Matt McGrath, my son, and I said, I want you to march back to that plane, cut the arm off that nun, bring it back here, and I'll cook it and we'll eat it. And you had to do that without laughing? It was just so funny. I was trying to be matron. You go back to that plane, cut the arm off that nun, bring it back here, I'll cook it and we'll eat it. And it was so funny. Marisa Tomei was in that with us and Stanley Tucci. Oh my God, I love Stanley Tucci so much. I love him inappropriately. And he used to do something really funny with you. This is so counterintuitive and so Stanley. It is so right for me. It's exactly what I need to hear before I go out on stage. He said, I want you to go out there and be as terrible as I know you are. I want you to go out there and suck. Go show those people what an awful actress you are. And I was like, I'll do it, Stanley. I'm going to show them I'm actually not. And it made me, it made me, I couldn't go on with that. I'm doing it. I was like, Stanley, come here, do the thing, say the thing. And I'd go on. And we just had a ball doing that play. So what was the impact on you of playing the character of CJ Craig and Wes Wing? It was huge. It was the first time I was seen by, instead of a, you know, 200, 300 seat theater, I was seen by millions. Millions. Millions. And all the warchew one for that role is just incredible. Yeah, I started to be recognized. And that was sort of interesting. It was a little off-putting and but sometimes kind of fun. And I have one story that's funny. I was on the subway and I was holding all these books and I started looking at all these people were staring at me and I was like, oh, God, I'm getting so famous. This is, I don't know if I'm going to be able to ride the subway anymore. It's just, this is, everyone's looking at me. And I waited and my stop came and I was getting up to go and I looked down and my entire blouse was completely. And I was like, okay, I hear you at the universe. I hear you at the universe. Let's just put your feet back on the ground. Isn't that great? Anyway. So what do you like to do when you're not working? I like to do absolutely nothing. Isn't that the best? The best. My favorite thing to do, nothing. I mean, to not have anything to do and sit on the couch. Have no schedule. With my dogs and just maybe take a nap, maybe watch something on TV. It's a gift. It's what I call follow my nose. It's the ultimate luxury, having nothing to do. It's a real treat. It's my happy place right now. So do you cook for yourself? I don't cook for myself either. It's so boring to cook for yourself. It's so boring. I mean, I cook to bring people together. So like for myself, I'll make oatmeal for dinner. Really? Really. Oh my God. So this is my thing. The only thing I make for myself is pasta. I love it. I ate pasta and pesto in New York during the 80s. That's all I ate. And then I decided to get fancy and try cacio e pepe, which I tried for the first time a while ago. And I was like, I need to make this. And I have failed at making it every single time. Because I can't get the, it doesn't, the sauce doesn't ever come together. I'm going to show you how to do it. Can I show you how to make pasta, cacio e pepe? Would you please? It's really easy and it's so good. You would make me the happiest woman alive. And also if you could teach me how to make just a simple vinaigrette to go with salad. Easiest thing in the world. Really? You're all set. Okay, let's go cook. Let's do it. So you want to know how to make cacio e pepe pasta and a vinaigrette. So I think we're going to start with a vinaigrette. I think we should. We'll start simple. Yes. Two ingredients. Two. You can do it. Two ingredients, plus salt and pepper. Okay. So the first ingredient is a quarter of a cup of freshly squeezed lemon juice. Okay. Are you on the whisk? Yes, I am. And then you whisk in half a cup of, half a cup of olive oil. In addition, just up to, okay. So it's going to go up to three quarters of a cup. So just keep whisking. And that is with salt and pepper. That's a vinaigrette. No, it's not. I did. But that's too simple. And teaspoon of salt. Teaspoon of salt. Half a teaspoon of pepper. Is that really? That's it. People think vinaigrette's really complicated, but it's not. And if you whisk it while you're doing it, then you end up with an emotion. Just like that. You're done. You're working too hard. Way too hard. I like just. Doom, doom, do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Perfect. Okay. Is that light we dressed for you? Yes. Okay. Not perfect. Not perfect? Okay. Great. Okay. Now, I think we're going to make some pasta, but I think we need a little glass of wine first. But you'd never. Wow. Cheers. Next to pasta. Next to pasta. We can do this, right? Oh, you can do it. And I'm going to help you do it. Okay. So first I want to salt the water. Oh, yeah. Two tablespoons of salt. And then it's a half a pound of fatigueratolli. I'm going to dump the whole thing in, right? Just dump it in. Good. And stir it around. And you just check the package. This says six minutes. So do you do it under or do you do it exactly six minutes? Six minutes. Yeah. Okay. Okay. In the meantime, we have two things we have to do. Okay. Cacio, which is the cheese. Yes. Which is pecorino. Really good aged pecorino. Which is pepper. So you want the pepper kind of ground, roughly ground. Okay. So this is some mortar and pestle. And you want to grind it around. Grind it around. Exactly. Okay. And I'm going to do. And what kind of pecorino is it? It's really good aged pecorino. So do you like to entertain at home or is it just like too much to do? I'll tell you what I like to do. What do you like to do? I like to, now that you're my friend, I'm going to invite, I invite people who know how to cook over at my house. I do. I'll bring my, I'll bring my knives with me. Yes. Exactly. And I'll tell you what, you know, if it's a small amount of people, I will cook the one thing I know how to cook, which is your version of engagement chicken. Oh, everybody needs to know how to make a roast chicken. Right. It's the most important thing. And it's the easiest thing. And it's the thing everybody wants to eat. And I know how to do that and make a salad. So do we think that? And now I know how to make a burger. That even makes a vinaigrette, right? Vinaigrette. Look how good that looks. Did I do it well? Perfect. I mean, we'll let you know how beautifully I pounded that pepper. Okay. Let's see how the pasta is doing. All right. The best part of this dish is just taste it and see if it's, let me cut this in half. It's good and hot. Taste it and see if it tastes al dente. Nice and salted too. It's good. It's good. It's really good. This is the really important part. I always save some of the pasta water because it has starch in it and it makes a really good sauce. Always forget to take that part. Okay. So thank you. Thank you. Okay. I'm going to drain the pasta. All right. Okay. So turn off. I'm going to turn off the heat. Yeah. 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Everybody like dump salt in the middle, but you want to shake it over it. Okay. So it gets really mixed in. Half a cup of pecorino. Alison, Johnny, ground peppercorns. All of it. All of it. Oh, well, I guess it's kato pepe. It's kato pepe. It has to really use the pepper. And you know what, as it's cooking, it's going to get a little thick, so that's what the pasta water is for. Make a sauce out of it rather than having it really thick. Okay. How's that doing? I'm just exhausting. I'm tired. Wait a second. Okay. And a little bit of freshly chopped parsley. Okay, I didn't know I had to look at it. Should I take over? I think you better. I'll switch. I'll take over. Because I feel like I'm not doing it right. Look at this. And the heat actually kind of cooks it a little bit more. I was exhausting. I'm not saying my heart is like, what am I doing? It's good exercise. And then you can eat all this pasta, right? Yes. Okay. And then the last thing we need is the rest of that pecorino. Okay. And just put it at once or just sprinkle it. Yeah, just put it right on top. Boom. There you go. That's it. Boom. The secret of me is I always think it's going to come out terribly. And when it comes out well, I'm just thrilled. You underestimate yourself and then you really surprise yourself. Totally. This is the way you're supposed to do it, but I don't know how to do it. Well, you just sort of did it. I sort of did it. How to cook this? This is enough for like three people. Not in my mind. Three very hungry. Not in your rest. That's enough for one. Do we need a little salad to go with it? Yes, we do. We put it on the, we don't put it in the... Put it right. We can just do it right next to it. Really? Yeah. All right. We'll improvise. I like it. And these are a little color red. I like it. I like it. It really is a pretty... Look how gorgeous that is. Did we do good? Okay. Here we go. Cheers. How fun is this? I love you. Thank you for this. I love you too. 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