Ep 67: Fair Is Fair... Why Compersion Only Goes So Far

Find us at vanilla swingers.com and you'll find Kat's only fans page there too. You wish. Hey Kat. Yeah Leo. I'm going to record one of those silly disclaimers that you put at the beginning of the podcast. Real advisory sticker. Let's go because this is going to be explicit. Oh yeah we're going to talk about lots of sex. Lots of bad language. We might even have sex while on the podcast. We might have. We might be listening to the noise of our love making. There might be nudity. But you can't see it on the podcast. Doesn't matter. You can hear it. That's true. You can hear the nudity. We might corrupt you if you're under the age of 18. That's the disclaimer. Don't listen. We're not professional. What else? And yeah we're not professionals. We know nothing. Absolutely nothing. And if you want to try to sue us? Well we don't have any money either. Because this is bite-size and commercial free. We don't have any money. It's fun. We just feel like we're fun. So if you like it then tune in and listen. Subscribe. Yeah. Word. It's Leo. Hi. It's Kat. Okay. I got to get something off my chest. Uh huh. I'm going to do a little rant. All the hair off your chin. All the hair on my chinny chin chin. Go ahead. Sorry. We got a lot of friends sliding into DMs, blowing up our phone. They're talking about a lot of these people that we've met on the Bliss Crew. They're talking to us about naughty because they've heard our reviews. And they're saying I'm going to go. I'm going to go at 2026. We're going to be there. But you can sort of hear that doubt in their voice. And they're wondering because with the Bliss you've got to make your plans well in advance. Oh gosh. It's like 18 months in advance because of course they sell out. They start the drumbeat of FOMO so early. FOMO. And by the way that's a little bit of bullshit because it actually doesn't really. I mean technically it sells out but you can get on the wait list and pretty much everybody who gets on the wait list gets on the boat. We never heard anyone not get off the wait list. So your mileage may vary but. And so our travel agent, here to four, they always send us these emails. Yes. In price. Oh man. Hurry today. You know if you sign up this August you have the chance to win $2,000 in credits. Non-stop FOMO. FOMO. FOMO. And when you're not on the next Bliss for the longest time we're like oh we need to get on. Oh they're going to sell out. We can't choose our room. But the reason that I'm bringing this up is because a lot of our friends are cost conscious and I know some of you out there are not good for you guys. You guys are ballers but for the Pions like the rest of us it gets expensive very quickly and that FOMO is enough. It just makes you feel like if I don't get on the Bliss cruise I'm going to miss it for an entire year. And you feel like you're right. I was going to say you're missing the Super Bowl of the lifestyle because that's what it is. Until now. Because with Naughty once we discovered that you can pretty much get the value that Bliss offers it's just on land. I feel like we have been freed from the shapples of FOMO. Like the national championship. It's the Naughty. Absolutely. And so for a third of the price you can spend $2,500. All in. Instead of $7,500. All in. As much fun as you'd have on a Bliss cruise and feel like you're at your own Super Bowl. And so for the first time ever since I've been getting those emails that are constantly hounding us. And we did three in a row. Okay. Yeah. We know what we're talking about because we did two in one year. And that was really because you know that we felt the FOMO so bad were FOMO and YOLO. Absolutely. And you feel FOMO especially. I feel FOMO like right now probably sitting here. You always want to be like the first one in the last one out. I don't want to leave any drops left to be. I don't know. And for the first time ever, we're first of all, we're not going to go on Bliss in November 2025. Nor are we going in April 2026. We do think that we're probably going to go on the 2026 November because it's the big boat. We like the big boat. We have a lot of friends that are going to be there. With one caveat. Bob, if you make Naughty twice a year, I'm not sure we'll go back on. We would go to Naughty twice a year. And the reason why we say that, like maybe it's a possibility, we just got an email that Dirty Vegas, which was here to for once a year. They've added a second one in the winter. Dirty Vegas. Dirtation cruises. We hear they're adding. They just added a November sailing. Bliss cruise has three sailings. Obviously, the lifestyle movement. Right. It's growing. There's a lot of demand. And you guys need to keep quiet about it. OK, we don't want everybody to know how much. And if Bob, if you add a second one, we're going to go to both and we will plant our flag in New Orleans. Firmly in Naughty land. Absolutely. I like Naughty mischief. I like the word Naughty. Yeah. But for all you guys out there, I know you hear us talking. A lot of you heard us say that Naughty was probably one of the best things we've ever done, best events that we've ever done in the lifestyle. 100 percent. But I also hear that sort of waffling in your voice where you're like, is it time to get back on the bliss train again? And the repo man. If you can't afford this, don't worry about it. You will be just as happy at Naughty. Yeah, you'll be satiated. If you can afford bliss, definitely do it. It's definitely a once in a lifetime and maybe more often if you can manage. Or if you're a vacation kind of person, I want to lay by the pool, drink my banana monkey. That is the one. Yeah. Because I know that some of you out there are vacationers. It is a little bit of a different crowd at Naughty. When you stop off at the ports on bliss, some of the days you just sit by the beach the whole time. That's just not our speed. We kind of like to stay on the go. And so for those of you out there that are looking more for a vacation, you might also have some overlap with people who go to Desire RM. And Hito. I've never been. I can't speak to that. But I'm assuming that it has kind of that laid back vibes and you just kind of feel like you're doubling a vacation. Naughty doesn't have laid back vibes. It is nonstop YOLO FOMO party. But we're party people. And I am for the first time ever. I don't have the feeling of FOMO. You don't mind her emails coming along and dinging you. Ding, ding, ding. Yeah, I get a little chuckle out of it because I know like if it weren't for Naughty, if there weren't a viable alternative, you would absolutely feel. Why are we not going on lists for sure? Yeah, we'd be counter-nickles. And I know this sounds like some paid promo. We don't even, we never even met Bob. Never met Bob. So we've never met anybody who's anybody at Naughty. We just like it. You know, we don't take it all the time, right? I like it. I want to go so far as to say that in talking with them, they of course propose like they do with every podcast, or I'm sure. Oh, there's all sorts of things you can get an affiliate link. You might as well get paid. Right. We refuse to do it and we will always review. And I know we can probably make a little bit of money if you guys booked through us, but we're not going to do that. It is not worth it to us. That's just not how we roll. Having the autonomy to be able to say something is really good or something is really terrible to me is more important than any amount of money. And it's just that stuff's just kind of penny ante. You only make, you know, a fraction of the money. Now, I mean, if Bliss wanted to give us a free cruise, I'm just kidding. Yeah, but then we wouldn't have autonomy. Then I could say what we're saying. A bootlicker. And then you guys wouldn't appreciate us as much. But the only thing we would ever do is we could open a swinger club. It could happen. So, you know, we might have actually talked about that recently. We might have talked to a play partner. I might have actually registered a domain for it. I know we already know what it would be called. And it's a good domain. We're not going to talk about it. I think you guys would like it. I think you guys would like it a lot. But we can't tell you. But we can't tell you. Otherwise, we'd have to kill you. Who did we talk to just recently? We told someone. And they knew somebody who actually owns a swinger club, so we actually couldn't talk to her about it. That would be the naughty nanny. The naughty nanny. So we just got back from Vegas again because we were on a Denver terror and now we return to Vegas for Dirty Vegas, which we have yet to review. We will. And we went back to Vegas already because it was so much fun. But we should touch on that a little bit. OK, because rather than waiting until we do like a review of Vegas, I mean, we just had a crazy ass bender. I think we should talk about our entire Vegas trip because that had nothing to do with Dirty Vegas. OK, well, first of all, yes, we did see the naughty nanny. He saw the naughty nanny. She's extra. She is extra. She's our extra unicorn and extra in the best possible way. Yes. And she is a naughty nanny. She's originally at Dirty Vegas, dancing away, dancing away. And there's Kat Leo finding unicorns. That's how we spent the rest of the evening. And she's just she's fucking fun. She is sassy and full of energy. And we had a really, really great time with her naughty nanny. Yeah, she used to be a nanny. Right. So that's and she's formerly a Southern girl like us. So I told her at one point because we're talking about that whole bliss and naughty and open in a club trying to have FOMO because tonight we were talking to shower guy. Shout out to shower guy and monkey girl and monkey because he does not exist without his other half and that's a monkey girl. OK, so absolute. And so we actually told naughty nanny that she reminded us a little bit about Monkey Girl because she does that little thing right in the middle of talking. There's someone else. She puts a finger on her lip like there is another person that reminds you of Monkey Girl and that is Vegas couple who we met at Dirty Vegas. They're friends. Dress up. Yes. Costume couple. We decided she wants to be called Gibbon Girl. Gibbon is a kind of monkey. So she wants to be called Gibbon Girl. I'm not smart enough for that. I think it's the one with the red butt. Maybe because she likes her ass. Monkey Girl. Like as if like what kind of name is that? I said it's because one of the theme nights on Bliss she dressed up as Curious George. And that's been her name for us ever since. And like that's what it is on our phone. Monkey Girl and Shower Guy. Yeah. Monkey Girl makes my stomach go wee. Your heart beat are patters. Yeah. So if I tell you that you remind me of Monkey Girl, that's high price. Yes. You can take that to the bank. And Shower Guy, I hope that you are out there and you've trademarked that damn. Are you making the logo? OK. Are you DJing the shower? DJing now because I'm telling you that little like round shower outfit. Put your DJ turntables in there. Put your D in there. The whole D. Do we got anything to say about D? Let's see. Are we going in sequential order because we're going backwards or the last night. Yeah. And then who was the second night? That was me. So we're going to talk about the Rusky. The Rusky. I got another Russian guy. Comrade Vegas Vladimir, which is not his real name, but he has a very Russian first name and he might have talked dirty to me in Russian and I might have been able to get it on audio memo and I can listen to it whenever I want. So we're going to call him Vlad the Impaler for sure. He was the hottest guy I personally have ever seen on field. And it's actually quite a story because when we swiped on him, I thought he's going to be such a douchebag because he was really good looking. Yeah, that's fair point. And then he came through with his text and he seemed like a really nice guy. We're like, I don't know. Maybe the first time you showed him to me, I told you, I think he might be fake because the pictures look like they were almost like a chat. You P.T. AI generated something like that. They were really just too nice. Like the reason was because he was showing his 5000 miles away. So I figured he's somebody over in Eastern Europe because we've had that before. We've had a few fakes that were just too good to be true. You know, you're on field, especially field and it's a girl. Then your guard should be up because especially if she's 5000 miles away and she's really, really attractive, she might not exist. And especially if she's pregnant, eight months pregnant because that might happen. I got our attention. It got our attention, but we knew right away you ain't real because, you know, you can't pull one over. You feel like you're smart enough to know and so we went forward with this because he seems so nice by text. We had a planned date, right? Fast forward to that date. And we said, we'll meet you in the center bar for a drink. We go down there and he was running late. Okay. First hit, right? You know, when people start running late, you start walking it back, walk yourself off that ledge. But that was the first time. I don't know why, but even though we first made contact, I don't know, was it a couple months early? That was dirty Vegas. We made contact with them. And I told you I thought he was fake. Yeah. So I said, don't waste your time with him. Fast forward. Slid into my DMs literally on a Friday when we landed. For some reason that didn't connect from the first time to this time. We were like 15 minutes away from meeting him that wait a minute. Didn't we say this guy might have been fake? Let's just say I did have a real porn guy, which we have talked about that actually had steps on. Yeah. Yeah. In the step. He actually had slid into my DMs and I was hoping he'd be in Vegas and once Vladimir slid into my DMs. I actually told Leo I'm actually more excited about him than porn guy. Yeah. I mean, he's a really handsome guy. So I'll give you that. And yeah, he was ridiculous. Yeah. Like washboard abs and you know, a lot of people will say handsome guy. This guy was handsome and fit and he looked a Russian and he had a Russian easily like an instant model. But yes, a handsome guy and then there we are 15 minutes before and I said, you know what? What if he doesn't exist? No, we didn't say that we said what if he doesn't show? But then we sat at the bar for just a bit and we had the smartest idea order water. Oh man, the waiters came over kind of get you drinks and it caught us for a second. Normally you'd get a drink and then your third would show up and that's a pro tip for you guys out there. If you're going to meet somebody and you're not 100% sure wait till they show up and just get some water. Don't invest in like $20 drinks instead. Yeah, get the water and then further we decided, you know what? Instead of us just sitting here because then we just felt like this is right. Now we're really thinking I'm not sure he's going to show. Then we started thinking, oh my gosh, I don't think he exists. Yeah. And we thought we're smarter than that. Why would we? Of course, he's too good to be true. What on earth are we thinking? My thinking was he's sitting there somewhere. I don't know in his mom's basement, some chumpy chump neck beard and he's thinking he's having a good laugh and he's saying, oh, you know, the parking lot was full. So it's taking me longer. So he keeps writing us, but you know, 10 minutes here, 10 minutes there. Fairly prolonged. Fast forward. We go walking back to the room and we already had our backup plant. We're going to go to some clubs. We know what we're going to do. We're going to go back upstairs to regroup. Not going to be disappointed. Halfway there and then we get the dopamine ding. Ding. And Leo was good luck that night. So he did all the reading of the text. And I looked at Kat and I said to her, I hope he's real for you. He's so sweet. I want this to be real. And I picked up the phone. I looked at it and he said, I'm at the bar. Take off all your clothes. So there we went. We walked back and as we're walking back, I still told Leo, I don't think he's real. And he said, but if he is, you can't say that when you first see him. I didn't think you were real. And there sat Vlad the impaler and he was impaling a vodka and cranberry. And he was exactly as we expected. He was. And when I first saw him, his personality was a 10 out of 10. When I first saw him, I tapped him on the shoulder and I said, Vladimir. And he turned around. Did she say it like that? Comrade Vladimir. Yes, I said it just like that. And he turned around and the beam on his face, like he was. But that's cause he looked at you and he thought, oh my gosh, you're real. Because we don't send many photos. You see, we send like two face photos and they disappear. So he might have been having that moment. I was like relief and joy mixed in. It was just beaming. But his personality was, yeah, I think only probably. Ragen Gajan had a similar disposition, but this guy. This guy also had a lot of hutspa. You know that he is not going to be long for being single. He's not going to be on the market for very long. He just got out of a long relationship and he just play in the field. He had your exact dress. Yeah, we kind of mirrored each other. Brothers from another mother. And so we hit it off. The bromance started. The guard came down. The romance started. I invited him to lay hands on the mother. I invited him. I think I'm when they said, so I think we're all vibing. What do you think? And I think you said, yeah, I think we're all vibing. Yeah. So remember that name, Vlad the Impaler. It's going to come back up again because he'll make an appearance. It was a very special, fun night and I'm hoping to see him again. Yeah. Oh, and I have his Russian little memo and I did get it translated. Yeah, it might have been dirty. It might have been really dirty. He was really hot and I got it on tape and he was cool with that. And he was better than Drago. He blew Drago off the map. Yeah, I would call him son of Drago, but I think that that might be an insult. Yeah, because Drago did not have a good personality. That's the bottom line. He was a very handsome guy and I'm going to say that Vladimir was probably more handsome as well. Oh, you're so nice. So that was night two of a big imagine if you lined him up, brought him both in. We could just tell Drago not to talk. I'm just, oh, God, I apparently really like Russians. So after the Red Storm. We back up to night one night one Vegas. Hey, I heard you, mister. We're back. I brought my pencil. Give me something to write on, man. Hot wife for teacher. Thank you guys know what we're going to be talking about. Yeah. So we met a hot wife. Hot wife. And this was our second hot wife we've ever played with. Yeah. So up to this point, we don't have a lot of experience with the hot wife dynamic because usually a hot wife, it is a husband that enjoys his wife getting together usually with a single male. Either he watches it or he enjoys hearing about it after the fact. It's not always about couples that we've kind of avoided it up to this point is because early on in a newbie journey, I think I know me personally. I've always felt like I have a lot of love for the husbands in the lifestyle because it's hard enough being a guy. You know, we always are kind of second class citizens here. I remember you talking about it took a long time before you felt like you were even getting any kind of attention. You're like, I think this whole lifestyle is about you, honey. What is it? They say all the men drag their wives into lifestyle and they can't drag them away. Yeah. I don't think you could ever drag. Is that accurate? We're going to go there. We're talking about hot wife for teacher right now. Okay. I got my pencil. I'm going to thank you. Give me something to write on. You need a ruler, but we did have a hot wife approach on the first bliss cruise that we went on and you of course. Cock block. We were sitting taking a nap and the phone. We were so early or telephone book in the cabin. We were so early in our journey. We were so beyond soft at that point and she called us up to tell us. She talked to her husband. He said that she could come over to her. She had a whole past just for us. And of course you like that, but aside from that, we saw them later on that evening and I approached the husband and I told him, I said, Hey, listen, you know, I told him the same thing. I have a lot of love for the husbands and I would never want to feel that we're wife poaching to disrespect their couple right. They're couple dynamic. Absolutely. And of course, I think I said it so effusively and then you invited them in. I think he thought that that was the opening for him to come in and I was like, I don't think so. So that never happened, but I still harbor those feelings today. I mean, as much as I did then, I still feel as strongly as I do today. That was one of the times I told Leo. No, that was one of them. You tell me, no. Yeah. Well, we have to four. The other one was in the lavatory when we're going to try to be in the mile high club recently in our college hometown. You've got a skeezy hotel and you thought that would be a really great idea. Pre-life. So that's easy. It was at least on par with what you normally do in sex cages. Oh, shut up. You and your. I like the laquita. I kind of like the sleaziness of some of the hotel because when we saw Long Island Lolita and we had the little love nest that we had to put lights all over just to salvage the next time we see her cat. It's time to start looking for a better room. I apparently did my reputation is proceeding itself. So let's talk about hot way for teacher. First of all, yeah, that was hot. That was a really, really hot. It was taboo and we were supposed to meet them both for drinks and it was already well planned. He was going to stay at the same casino. We were in a different room and she was going to go back to him at the end of the night and that was just so freaking hot. Can I say that she's a Bama girl? Roll tide. We love Bama. Yeah, Bama. We like Bama a lot. Bama Jama. We got Roll Tide couple out there who brought me muffins. You know what? Quickly pair. I am so addicted to Costco muffins right now and it is really all your fault. Roll Tide. It is your fault. You brought them to me and Naughty and I was very much in awe into it. Cat was in a 12 step program and she was already halfway defreeing herself from the chocolate muffins and we thought when you brought a chocolate muffins that they're selling them still at the Costco down in Alabama, it turns out they're selling them here. They reintroduced them nationwide. It was a decision tonight to either go to Costco before they closed to get some more chocolate muffins for the morning at 20 minutes or to go do a pot. I'm surprised we're doing a pot. I put it that way. I had to stand out and say it's okay. I'll go in the morning. You put chocolate muffins in an IV drip next to the bed. I'll take an MFM over it. Okay. Oh, okay. Over my chocolate. Vlad the chocolate muffin and Taylor. Fail me with some chocolate. You're the Vlad the chocolate muffin inhaler. I am an inhaler. So yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it. And first of all, her husband, what a cool motherfucker he is. He was unable to meet us for drinks because he wasn't feeling very well. And we decided we're going to go ahead and we're going to love bomb in his hotel when we walked her back at the end of the night. We woke him up from his sleep. You know, we wanted to meet him and he is the coolest guy. He is such a gem of a guy. He just I don't know. He just seeing that they've got him hot wife, the husband. Yeah, hot wife husband. Yeah. And he just loves that. Mm hmm. I like him a lot. I think I'd like to hang out with them just kind of on a friend level and and they would love to see us again and some more on the on the on the road. I know what is it? Sounds like on the Barbie makes more sense. How come we haven't come across an Aussie yet? That's crazy. I know because you know how much I like the Russians. I really like French guys. It's the Russian invasion right now. There is that Australian guy down in Southern California. It's for hunt for what? Red October for Red October. I don't like them. Bruce keys. The submarine is kind of shaped like a dick, right? It's kind of you having to use your sonar. You put a blindfold on. You're going to use your sonar. So you're blind boy being the torpedoes. Yes, a blind Russian boy. How did we get to a blind Russian? As you said something about blind sonar and maybe the blind boy, which was he was not Russian. But what if he was Popeyes is what you were. Yeah. And he spoke with like an accent. I wonder if they're going to have the blind convention at the same time as next. They are going to get a duo. I'm going to do that one over. Yeah, that's a little sometimes there's things you wish you done a little differently. Yeah. Well, I don't think I wish we did anything different with hot wife or teacher, but we're going to see you again. A thousand percent because you are a Vegas local. And we've decided Vegas is on our shortlist right now because it was just that she was sexy and she was dirty and she was taboo. And we were here for it. Yeah, we were all for it. It was so much fun. I guess that hot wife dynamic. I'm down. I'm down. So if you're a hot wife and you want to play with a couple, call us. Yeah. I think eventually we'll kind of get over that feeling of reluctance worrying about their husband. Well, essentially what it is is I think it takes us a little while to realize that everybody has a certain bent, a certain kink. Some people are really into the hot wife dynamic. Some people are into MFM. Some people it's only couple swaps. Some people want to watch. Some people are like, I'm not going to watch over my dead body. Everything kind of goes 10 out of 10. We're going to repeat. But I think that segues into what we're talking about tonight because you mentioned the dynamic of some people do MFMs and we actually have a number of people who do that's pretty much their primary dynamic. And that's actually the dynamic that we started in lifestyle. We never really quite expounded on that with you guys because of course, you know, we're the vanilla swingers and we did start out because cat always kept saying, how about we do an MFM? Episode. Hey, let's do an episode on single guy. And I was like, Hey, listen, we need to have some balance to this. So it doesn't sound like the cat show. It's the cat show. It's the cat show. No, I'm a guy. We started at clubs and we started kind of doing the female, female play like so many of you do MFFM. Right. Then I said to Leo, this is really fun exploring my body, sexuality, the sensualness. But at the end of the day, I do really like guys and that's when you had to get your head around it. You talking about Walnut Creek. Yeah. Yeah. We encountered them in a club. It was a basket case. She was a head case, but she was too drunk that night and we thought we would just sort of help them as fellow newbies. And yeah, she just was kind of off a rocker. That was your first time that a girl went down on you. The following day I said, try not to let that ruin. I didn't like it. I just was like, I would like her husband to be touching as well. The thing is, is I like guys. There's a carnalness. The next time we got her head around that I had to start envisioning. What would that look like if we were bringing an extra guy into the room and then we realized that that was a really easy dynamic. And I think you found a lot of carnalness to it and we really enjoyed ourselves. Yeah. And it can be very fulfilling and there's something about having two guys descend on a girl that is terrifically carnal. You guys know who you are. Is multi orgasmic. And so you guys are making her go again and again and again, but just like our Greyhound analogy where we talk about the Greyhounds at race chase that mechanical bunny. And if they ever catch the mechanical bunny, you've got to retire the Greyhound. By the way, I don't even know if that's true, but it's not. Leo loves that story. There's a few stories he loves to tell. That's one of them. That and the last helicopter out of NAMM. Is that what you didn't want me to say? That's the NAMM. It makes a great analogy. The dating world is a dumpster fire. Oh my God. And we caught the last helicopter out of NAMM. He said again. I'm going to tell that story every time I see somebody. Oh my God. I've got to soak kick his butt. Yeah. I'm going to do it. And hopefully maybe some of the listeners out there, when you guys encounter us, I want you to say this, hey, Leo, tell us about catching the last helicopter out of NAMM. I'm going to kill him. I really am. I want you to get a prize out of cash. She'll laugh out loud with your significant other. And they say a story that you've heard a million times before. And you're just like, well, that's why I'm meeting new people. It's because you can tell the same stupid stories over and over again. I'm still sitting there. Okay. Sometimes I get tired of it. Okay. Last helicopter out of NAMM. Anyway, saying the gray house. By the way, you're the grayhound and you're retired. The dating world is a fucking dumpster fire. And I'm just going to say that, you know, we play with pretty much all singles, right? And so we're in a lot of exposure to just the spaces in between. We really feel for the singles out there that this is the road that they must travel down. Well, because we're experiencing it firsthand ourselves right now. Right. But at the end of the day, we're a couple, right? But it is. It is an absolute dumpster. Cats going through the highs and lows of guys being terrible at texting. They suck. Guys have a hidden quid at mentality. And I just can't imagine. And they just leave the girls wanting. I'm getting used to it because I'm in a couple at the end of the day. I'm not what they're looking for. But you know what? I know that I'd probably be getting the same treatment if I was a single gal. And it would be just, oh, absolutely devastating for my psyche, for my confidence. Yeah, because single guys suck. That's just a flat out. I mean, they do. First of all, we're not saying that as an indictment of all single guys. I'm specifically speaking about single guys in the dating world. Yeah, they mostly suck. I thought we would talk about that at another time. We actually appreciate single guys. It's just that they're etiquette. I mean, does it kill you at the end of an encounter to shoot a little text and say, Hey, I had a great time. Hit me up next time you're in town. If you're a single guy out there, that's a cheat code. I don't care if you ever want to see them again. Yes, that's exactly what she was that shit crazy, but it's the common decency thing to do. Yes, right. Say, hey, I had a good time. Like to me, it shows such a lack of emotional intelligence. A girl, she is a very feeling creature. And when you have a sexual encounter, you're doing it with sort of all those emotions that go into it. We are not cold and calculated. Do not get it in. And so the least you could do is just say, hey, I had a good time and that'll make her swoon. Even if you don't plan to see him again. It's just you throw the number away, delete it out of your phone the moment you leave. But as long as you just have that little parting shot, that's the way to go. 100%. But we're talking about you and the Greyhounds. So back to the great hired. So for a while, we were doing the MFMs very early in our journey before we even were exploring a lot of the clubs because it was the easiest. Yeah, it's the lowest lying fruit because you guys are a lot easier to find than single gals. At the time, I enjoy this. I am enjoying this so much so that I don't know. We went a few months like this. You know, we might have one a month or something. I didn't even know that you were wanting a female touch. Did you just lie to our listeners and tell them that we did this like once a month a few times? We did this for like nine months straight. Oh, that was like our entire dynamic. Are you talking about you just made that up? I did not. Okay. Rock, paper, scissors. Come here. Hand. You look okay. I went. No, but that now it was exclusive from January until that summer. Then we went to all those clubs in Europe and there was a lot of couple. Did you just hear that January to the summer and then over the summer we went to some clubs. The timeline for that does add up to about nine months. It does not. What do you mean January to the summer? It's like six months and then over the summer. It was couple-y. It was couple-y. Then couples. But I'm saying if you add that, then it's nine months. Six. So six months of like really not having a lot of female encounters at all. Okay. Here's where she's splitting hairs. When she talks about going to the clubs and actually encountering some couples, she's talking about, I don't know, what are we talking about? Like three encounters, one of which was in fantasy and Prague. And that was when the first time I had a gal show up in the doorway and she came in and she kind of targeted me. Sat on my face, squirted on my face and then halfway through, she's going down on me and I'm probably about 30 seconds away from going. And Kat jumps in with a whole, I'm bored. She's actually yanking on my arm while this girl is straddling my face. And that was like one of my first encounters with the girl. So she's going to lump that in there in the summertime. It was only about on and off five, six months. But I really didn't know that he was wanting more because you had made it so clear to me. I'm pretty happy with his dynamic. This is satisfying. I did tell you that and that was early on and I was lying. But I was telling him he's like, he really likes women. He is a fine connoisseur of beautiful women. I love women. Excuse me. I have to clear my voice. He's loved women since he was a young boy. Okay. And so for me to have believed that and thought that that was going to be ongoing, that was just me being self-informed. I was raised in a house. And so that's what we're talking about today. Is that politically correct? You're probably going to bleep it out. I'm not bleeping it out. So we're going to talk about that. I said fair is fair unless I bleep it out. And then they're going to wonder what the hell is he talking about? We're teaching you how to be fair. So here's the thing is that, yes, I was fairly satisfied with the MFM dynamic. I just didn't know that something had changed at some point and I was still going strong. She didn't get the memo, but I did not get the memo. The first time it happened was with Italian Edward. So we were in Rome and of course, you know, you're very well aware. If you listen to the prior episodes, he was movie star. Good looks. He looked exactly like Robert. He was even better looking than Vladimir. He was the, no one has broken the mold of Edward yet. And that was not his name. He had an amazing Italian name. His name started with a V by the way, but we're going to call him Edward. It's been so much time. We could practically just tell him the name. Not going to tell him the name. His name is. He was really handsome. I'm really hoping we get to see him again. But the second time. So we first saw him in a broom closet. Yeah, that was so hot. The 30 minutes and then we got his number. Another couple tried to invigorate by opening the door and cat shot out a healed foot. You told that story to Vladimir. And I said, you said this is my three. I guess I have the main. Chabela is my free summer. In the morning, my son's failure to bella, chow, bella, chow, bella, chow, chow, chow, chow. In the morning, my son's failure to bella, chow, chow, chow, chow. And then we proceeded to go to the hotel the next night with Edward for around two. And I think that that was the first time ever really that the MFM didn't quite hit the same as it did the night before. It didn't give you that extra little spark, that zing, which I certainly had because it was Edward, of course. It was a little bit of a retread. That was part of it. And I think that was the first signal that there needed to be some balance. There needed to be some females involved. I don't think we knew that at the time. No, well, we did because that summer we were playing with a lot of couples at all the clubs in Europe. And I think we knew that there needed to be some spaghetti stuff going on. Yeah. So the interesting thing was is when you fast forward, the mechanical bunny that broke the greyhound, it broke you. Or maybe it actually saved you was a rebirth. You were the phoenix rising from the ashes was Lana and maybe Lana was the mechanical bunny and from then on it was over. We weren't looking for a unicorn, thrupple, FFM scenario. It just fell in our lap. And after all that time of so many MFMs, it was a very welcome change. And I can remember in the earliest days, Alana, there was some angst going on because in the very earliest days, there was some texting back and forth. And I'm in charge of all the texting. Cat is in charge of Bernie bot. I personally stay out of that on purpose. And I think it works the best for our dynamic. And so you were in charge of all that because it's only the girls that text anyway. So really, I'm not texting many guys anyway, because guys suck at texting. Yeah, but you're also your texting game is on point. So I'm too lazy for that. But I was relying on you in the very early days and I was being a little bit. I love Emma but whole. Just did it. Yeah, I really was. That's a little strong. I think you were kind of dragging your feet. I was like, I don't know. I don't know. Do I really want to do this whole friends with benefit like texty? I don't know. It was so new for us. But I actually got a little pouty got to the point. I was a prickly pear. Oh my gosh. Because I felt like I was sabotaging my sabotage. And we had gone on a real big run. I mean, to his credit with a lot of MFMs. And so and I had no clue what the future held because as I sit here today and I look back, I kind of chuckle because I never would have thought we would have ended up where we are today. At the time we thought like everybody else unicorns are rare mythical. They don't exist. So when one fell in our lap, we kind of thought I think I felt like this is the only one. In fact, I think I said that a number of times. Me, you just could be the only time that this happens ever. This may not happen again. So we went full throttle into a full on threple. We actually decided to go exclusive with her. She went exclusive with us. We went exclusive with her for like five months of exclusivity. And I think it's still worth touching on that point where as we crossed that threshold where we started to introduce the MFF dynamic and I felt that frustration that maybe it wasn't going as smoothly and maybe you weren't leading the charge the way my greedy little id wanted to. Right. That is when I would go back and I would say things like, do you remember that time to say that all the time to me when we got that phone call or he'd say and you got blocked it. All those MFFs we had. You brought that out a lot. It was called the MFF card. And then the time that we were in the fantasy club in Prague and you. I'm hurt. Okay. So those were some selfish moments by cat. It's true because that cock block of the hall pass lady. I even told you, but I didn't want to play with her and I was thinking of me. I wasn't thinking of Leo at all. So it was sort of said that maybe it wasn't a match. It wasn't a match for me, but I wasn't thinking remotely of you, but I thought it looked pretty good from where I was sitting and fairs fair. I mean, I told you for a long time. I said, that's fine. It's water under the bridge. But then when that first one came along and I was sabotaging. And you were just a little bit slow on the uptake to just kind of text me back and forth, do the thing that you do so well. A unicorn whisper. You are what you do. And you're also just sort of besties when you want to be. And this was really new. We went from also a one night stand couple to a friends with benefits couple overnight with Lana. Yeah, that's a good point. And I wasn't sure how I felt about it. I was like, this is a little scary and to your credit. I pulled my arse out of the fire ever since I had that pouty episode. It lasted a while. You have been fan fucking cast. Am I a really great wing girl? Oh, you're the most amazing. Am I the best rider? DiGal. What I actually tell Kat is usually when we find somebody and she'll be a really great connection potentially. I just tell Kat do your thing. He just sends me links like to Cassidy here. What about this one? And he says, you just do your thing. I don't have anything to do with it. You know, after Lana, we continued being friends with her, but we did open things back up. She dated other guys, some other couples. And we wanted to open it up to new people. I especially was ready for some more guy attention. But I think at this point, you and I felt it. We were pretty well balanced. My you were making up for lost time. Six to nine months of MFM sprinkled with very random girl interactions with your five months of just MFF. We were now in a very balanced equal place. And let me tell you something for newbie couples out there entering into a thruple as a newbie couple and to Lana's credit, she was new at this too. And I think that's the only way it would work because we made a lot of goofy mistakes. Stupid. We just kind of were feeling our way. I was a unicorn. I would never go with a newbie couple. I mean, we weren't that bad, but we could have done better for sure. And we learned a lot of stuff in a later episode and we got better at it. And we got faster, stronger, better. You also just learn how to do these. I mean, this is new, right? I've been married to you for a while. I haven't been in the dating world. They certainly haven't been in a sexual situation with another girl before. You don't really know what you're doing. A thruple is an advanced pro move. And so we leapt in with both feet and from the girl's perspective, that's a lot to take on because you've got another girl. And I mean, think about for a second that we went on the bliss cruise together. We did. We stayed in the same cabin, just one king size bed. The three of us who've known each other for, I think two months at that part. And now if we were doing fair as fair, I'm going to have to bring a guy onto a bliss cruise. Yes, please. What, are we going to all sleep in the same bed together? Yes, please. I might sleep on the floor. Yes, please. No. Okay. I like the strange. Maybe I'm going to manicorn on the bliss cruise. No. And I'll find another couple that'll let me sleep on their pullout couch. Damn, that is just wrong, wrong, wrong. We are going to take a manicorn on a trip, but I don't think we'd ever do a seven day one. It's an advanced move for a newbie couple. You know, you're going to take a little while. I think it's best to take a little while before you get to that stage. I told Leo before we went on the cruise seven days, right? I said girls are kind of catty. Hadn't been around her that much. Yeah. Sometimes girls can pull out the claws. And I said, if I don't kill her by the end of it, you know, as girls who just be in facetious living in a tight space, then I think we're doing good. But we ended it in an even more amazing space. So and I'm going to tell you that. Thrupple energy is the goat. It is amazing. And it was something to behold. And you never know when that kind of thing ever comes along again. So when you get something like that, grab onto it with both hands and don't let go for as long as it lasts. So once we entered non-thrupple vibes and we were back to just seeing her more occasionally opening things back up, we opened them back up to an MFM right away because I hadn't had one in a while. He who shall not be named. We actually had a repeat with him. That was one of the other repeats we had. I don't think we have a nickname for him, but I don't think we'll have a nickname for him. It doesn't matter. He was the one that kind of kicked off the rest for us. He was a good affable guy. He was great. We met him live actually at Scarlet Ranch. And in any case, at that point, we still didn't know. Can we find unicorns in order to make this double helix thing a reality? Well, everybody keeps repeating the same mantra. I think it's mantra, mantra, potato, potato. That unicorns are so rare that I think that we were scared off thinking they don't exist. This will be it. Once this ends, you may never find another one. It wasn't like we would see random single females running around a swinger club prior to being in our double helix. Now that we're in the double helix, you open your eyes and it's just like when you see that car, your favorite car, you know, when you're 16 and now you see it everywhere. Well, now that we like single females, we see them everywhere. I think that the Scarlet Ranch then was probably a turning point in that journey as well, because that was when the floodgates opened and Colorado. I don't think it's ever gone back. And it's right now, I would say that we probably have as many single gals in our lives as we've ever had. Single guys. We definitely have more single females in our lives than we have single guys currently. So the whole point of that is to say that once you open Pandora's box, once the horse is out of the barn, there's no going back because each of us while we do have compersion as a part of our dynamics, a large part of our dynamic. Pretty much selfish creatures. We do have a greedy it. It's a little lizard brain and Leo and I are just as susceptible to it as the rest of you. Kat likes a little D and I like a little T and a at the end of the day. If I could have MFMs all day, every day, and that's it. I'd probably be okay. Not going to lie. If I could sit here today and tell you that, oh, we're going to have another one of those pesky MFMs again. I just wish my girl was just all in on the buy side and we could just do all kinds of MFM girl stuff because that would be great. You wish I was that guy who did the AMA. One penis policy to get a unicorn. They'd had like 80 unicorns and they never had another penis in their bedroom ever. You wish that was me. That was wild. We came across some kind of AMA on Reddit and it was clear. I'm a unicorn hunter and ask me anything. That's what I don't think it's called a unicorn hunter. They said that we had threesomes with girls. Unicorns, but he called it unicorns and they said that they'd had about 80 of them and it sounded very legit. They met a lot of them in the wild. You could read between the lines and you could tell that they seem pretty genuine. It didn't seem like an exaggeration. We think and suspect that they were quite young and they were probably very attractive. Yeah. And I think they also had probably the personality to match and you could just hear the subtext of what they were saying, but it was kind of fascinating. I've never seen anything like that. And you just wish that was us. You're like, damn, why can't you just get on board? Sure. I'd say you really need more D in the bedroom. We're working our way up there. We'll see. You're like, now you're talking about like three D's or four D's. I don't need it. Five D. I don't need that. I like to D honey. But it kind of brings us to fair is fair. And I think that in every newbie couple's journey, however you might start out, whether it's with MFMs, it could be one penis policy. Uh-huh. Most people are trying to find a single gal. It could be an FFM. Exactly. At the end of the day, you need to look at your partner and also be thinking of their needs because it is so easy because even if you're doing a couple swap, whether it's a full swap, a soft swap, just because you're doing stuff at the same time with the opposite sex does not mean that your partner is having as good a time as you. I get it. If you're a girl having two guys to send on you, it absolutely hits different. It's next level. But if you're a guy having two girls in the bedroom that are by and also on each other, exactly, there's nothing that hits better. And so at the end of the day, since we're in this three some dynamic, one of us is always enjoying it more than the other like a hundred percent. I mean, it's dynamic is a little complicated. Yeah. The fact that most couples, they swap with another couple. And so they're both in an re ideally at the same time, but it doesn't mean you are for the team because you maybe you're not enjoying it. Like you're with the other guy. He can't get it up. But, you know, your partner is going to town with, you know, the other gal. And so you do have to have a certain amount of compersion and selflessness. And you have to think about your partner. So thinking about how to make things fair and really how to become more selfless, because at the end of the day, we could all stand to be a little more selfless. Yeah. But just remember that that greedy little id is still there inside of each of you and you want what you want, which incidentally as sort of a sidebar is why you have to be very careful about doing things separate. You know, we talk about the subject of poly and generally people consider poly to be doing things separately, like going on solo dates, sexting, much like a hated word in Swinger World, Swinger versus poly. It's seen as like a bad word. And I think the further we go along in our journey, we realize that the P word is not so dreaded. I think a little bit of almost like a poly light allowing some feelings to enter the picture is actually it can be very fulfilling, a very three dimensional situation. With every one of our unicorns, you haven't really experienced that with the guys because we haven't been given the opportunities for a lot of repeats. And so but we're open to it. Well, part of the reason is you're dealing with young guys under the age of 30. I know right. If I just went and we've said it before that a couple is not going to ever be at the top of the list for a single, a young book. It doesn't matter. I'm unicorn. I've actually decided that I'm happy saying at my sub 30 level, even if it means a, I don't have repeats or be there. Not going to be good at sexting or texting. That was a 40 and slip or C. They are not going to come back in Manacor and I don't really care. Yeah, you say that on the surface, but to watch it on my end, I watch cat go up and down on the emotional roller coaster because guys do suck. They suck on the texting side, the soft skills side, the aftercare side. I'm not talking about aftercare like, you know, in the immediate. No, that's all great. It's the after they leave the door and close, you know, guys are, you know, the dating scene is a dumpster fire. Guys are in a hit it and quit it mentality and they're on to the next thing. And so yeah, the further you go up the scale, if you were dealing with people in the forties, the fifties, you would have people on speed dial seven days a week and twice on Sunday. I have no doubt about that, but you're dealing with people who are in their twenties who are sort of onto the next thing. Right. They're just having quick threesomes. They're used to the hookup culture, but as it pertains to Polly, the one thing though that you got to be careful about is that solo because then you really are not experiencing in our together. Like at least in an MFM, obviously there's no play with Leo. There's no reach arounds. Okay. It's all me reach around. Yeah. Where did that go? I just turned down one way street that whatever goes on in the bedroom. It's all just there's no strange for you. But the reason we were talking about Polly in the first place is because it goes back to that greedy little id. The reason that you don't allow one of the partners to go off and do things solo is because if you let the greedy little it off the leash where there's feelings. Yeah. Feelings can start to develop. That's what I was saying is in the bedroom situation. I'm saying if we're in MFM, for example, that's even more so than an MFF because I'm dealing with by girls. So I get a lot out of it. You don't get really the strange from an MFM. So we're not quite in the same NRE, but yet you're experiencing it with me. So after a particular encounter, I might be jumping up and down and you're with me. You're experiencing it with me. We're together. We're reliving it. Yeah. But if I went off solo with Rage and Cajun, feelings might develop there. He and I, we might go ahead and go skipping down hand in hand down the street. You might have a performance and you might drink a beer together. Singing Ava and you might be scoping out some hot girls together. But yeah. But if you let one of you go off separate to play, it is true that that greedy little it the same way that Kat and I can sit across from each other and joke about that if you had your druthers, you probably go and do a lot more MFMs. And if I have my druthers, I do a lot more MFFs, even as much compersion as we have for each other. We're at the end of the day. It is still present. Right. So we're learning how to be more selfless. But if your greedy little it gets too greedy, then my prickly pear comes out and does a pout and we're not like, it's not a one for one, like one MFM, one MFF. You know, sometimes there's more MFMs. Sometimes usually it's more MFFs because I'm still making up for lost time here. But at the end of the day, we feel very balanced and we feel very fair. I think you feel that I am taking good care of you. Absolutely. Like at the end of the day, he's like, what do I have going on? Oh, OK. Oh, we've got this calendar. It can't be overstated that Stuart Scott, our swing or guardian angel, whatever you want to call him, there's no way that we're as good at playing the game as we think we are. There's no way that Vladimir should have showed up after being an hour late thinking he's too good to be true. But Leo, to his credit, actually made a little like kind of almost like a wish. Spoke it out to the universe. To Stuart Scott. Please let him be real. I hope he's real for you. Oh my God. I hope he's real to come lay hands on my wife. This model looking Russian dude, right? Mm hmm. That's compersion to the up moves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do a little speed round. Did I freeze your brain there for a second? You did. I really like thinking about that. You ready? Yeah. Go ahead. Celebrate your partner's wins as much as your own. Maybe even more. Yeah, I don't know. You expound on that. What do you want me to do? A rain dance after we do it? I think that we absolutely do that for each other. Yeah. Well, so excited when we get a really good one, one for the other after it happens, we're just like, oh my God, I'm so happy for you. Oh my God. That was so amazing. Yeah. I mean, you know, especially as it pertains to the MFMs, I've said it before that when it comes to the unicorns, I don't really view that as like a social game, but there is some gamesmanship as it pertains to the MFMs. So there is a sense of accomplishment sometimes when we go ahead and close that deal. Yes. You're winning the game for me. Yeah. So when we approached the center bar and we saw Vlad the Impaler and he was sitting there and he was real nursing his drink. I felt like here we go. We're going to bring this home and bring home. We did brought it home and yes, we have had other times where we might be jumping up and down with excitement and that's celebrating each other's wins the together way. If you call them wins. I mean, I don't know if I call them wins. It's more like a situationships. It's it's like being excited for someone else's crush. I'm going to tell you right now that one of the most beautiful things to me about the lifestyle is this notion of intimacy and human connection that it's really one of the core elements that I think keeps a human being going. And I'd love to bring happiness to somebody in somebody's life. We feel very strongly. We like to leave a little bit of happy behind wherever we go because all these people in our lives are leaving a little bit of happy for us. I've always said that the world could use a little bit more love in it. And to me, that's one of my favorite parts is going around and just sort of spreading the love and from my greedy little id standpoint. I'm here to tell you today happy that throuples are the goat. If you can get a hold of a throttle do it and don't let go until it comes to a natural end because I was just listening to some of the songs that are on our playlist. They come from Lana and I was listening to them last night and I'm just so reminiscent of the amount of time we spent together. It was an amazing chapter in our lives. We had some good, good times. I mean, they'll be I think that all three of us will remember those times forever, really, because it was like going down the highway at 100 miles an hour on rims and sparks were flying everywhere. We just we dove so heads first. We would just do one thing after another. We stayed in a yurt. We went to Vegas. We went on a cruise. She came down to visit us in our hometown. We would go stay at her house and wake up in the morning. And the bottom line was the Greyhound was officially retired. We had pretty much reached a state of balance. You're pretty much saying that you didn't owe me anything anymore. Yeah, I think that would be an accurate time up to Lana. There were times where you would bring up. Okay. What about all those months of MFMs and I was getting very limited couple play? What about that? I didn't like it when I bring them. I did not like that at all. You got tired of me saying, do you remember the first nine months of our lifestyle journey, which by the way, let me elaborate a little bit on this. Like six. Okay. Let's call it six. Let's call it six. We'll split the difference. And then I'll give you that it's a, it was a five month trouble. Okay. Okay. So you give me six months. I'll give you five months and we'll call it a six month trouble. It was exclusive for like four months. It was exclusive for almost five. It's pretty hot and heavy for nearly six. But who knows? Maybe my recollection. It's felt like six. Maybe it felt like two weeks. That's cause it was like rain. It was the bunny. It was the bunny. Yes. When that mechanical bunny stopped in my purview, then it broke something. And suddenly I was like, you know what? I like that a lot. And so I want to do that again and again and again. We then of course, right after Lana, we did explore with another MFM pretty soon after that, right after kind of the end of the exclusivity. But at that point, we still didn't know, are we going to be able to find unicorns? So we could have that female dynamic for you. Right? Yeah. And I remember as we were sort of drawing to a close on just being an exclusive trouble, having a sense that this is it. I mean, you know, it was an emotional roller coaster at times. I felt like this is never going to happen again. Cause that's what everybody tells you, right? And then we just got so fortunate. It was really Denver and the Scarlet Ranch that just opened up our worlds to wow, we can do a double healer. That door open and the door has never closed. And the door is even more open for him than it is for me. And it's really not because single males are not so new. Because you're playing in a sandbox of guys under the age of 30 that are like the most handsome guys on the app. I am. And I've decided I'm okay with that. I'm okay that I'm playing on such hard mode. I like it. And I'm just going to keep going. It can be an emotional roller coaster for you though. Because they don't tax. They don't necessarily want repeats there because the guys are 20 something guys have a hookup mentality. You know, the dating apps, the dating world today is a dumpster fire. And I don't envy anybody's got to go through that as a single cause it's hard. It's hard going through as a couple and I'm actually here to support you. Yeah. Yeah. But what are we talking about fairs? Fair we're totally in the fair mode to where we're often thinking of each other. Well, we are. That's like I'm the one that's on the apps. I'm the one he sometimes seeks out people. Oh, this one looks interesting. And he sends it to me and I'm in charge of writing. I'm in charge of kind of you do your thing, honey. Okay, I'll do my thing to try to meet new people or with our current play partners, like let's arrange a date. And when we talk about fair, it doesn't have to be like I have one experience. It's more for me. The next one has to be for him. Sometimes it's three in a row one way, usually him and then one for me. But we feel very much like we're balanced and you have to remember that if for instance, your partner has an especially bad experience or bad weekend, like when we did why the lifestyle sucks. I got four oofs in a row. I got zilch that weekend. What about what was the other one? Oh, ghosting. So those are those are those are and the why the lifestyle sucks. I think we did those back about fair is fair. Yes, really explains it. We both were wallowing in an L at that time and you've got to commiserate with your significant other. That's when you've got to commit, right? But you were great because we were just all surfer boy when he got ghosted and he was great to okay, let me tamp down how terrible I feel and let you talk excitedly about surfer boy. But I also tamped it down a little bit more than I probably would have because I knew you were experiencing some lows with the hell are we talking about? I don't know. I'm talking about fair is fair. We're going to do a speed round to me. The overriding message here is a couple of things be selfless. You know, you said that saying that husbands drag their wives into the lifestyle and you can't drag the wives out of it. Yeah. Once you guys get a taste, you think this is the greatest thing. No, what a lifestyle was. I never thought about having more than one person in the bedroom. I never knew about MFMs. I never even thought remotely about being bisexual and now that you've introduced. Oh my gosh. Like you couldn't get me out if you tried like there is no way I would leave. Yeah. I think you're pretty much entrenched and I have two messages. The one would be for the guys in a short phrase. It would be this if you start off with the MFM dynamic, enjoy it while it's in its purest form because when you introduce the MFF, an extra girl into the bedroom, you're not going to be quite as satisfied. It won't hit quite the same. You'll never be quite able to go back to that purest form. And for the girls in that situation, you need to also recognize that fair is fair and that's something that you should be trying to pursue. More likely that's going to take the place in a couple, not necessarily unicorn. And you need to find that for your guys so that he has equal time because the flip side of that is that when newbie couples, when they first start, oftentimes the girl gets flattery for the first time and that attention can be intoxicating. Absolutely. And you can get into a full swap situation where, yes, the newbie couple wife, she runs on ahead and she forgets to look back for her husband. Because you always have to think about your husband because the husbands don't get as much attention in the lifestyle. I don't care what they look like. They are not going to get as much attention. And so your wife is going to get all this attention. And so it's incumbent upon us to remember to look back at our husband. Are we getting the best deal for him? That's a great point. And, you know, a lot of times I'm the unicorn whisperer, so I'm getting a good deal for him. Oh, yeah. And he's letting me have absolute model looking dudes come into our bedroom thinking, what the hell am I doing? But then he owes me and it's fair as fair. It's a weird dynamic. I mean, we're playing on hard mode and we've sort of just chosen this path. We talked about it. I think I'm happy where I'm at. Yeah, it's so weird because our double helix is completely separate. So what we do when we go into our dynamic is we're having threesomes and one of us has to kind of be okay with this maybe being like a 60-40 split and wait patiently for your turn when it's your 60-40 split. Well, it's never a 60-40 split when it's an MFM. I mean, well, let's be honest. What is it at 75-25? I was being diplomatic. Now, with the girls, there are some girls that are not as bi and then it is more 60-40, 70-30. But I mean, when the girls buy, I can't say that it's not like 55-45. I mean, it's pretty damn close. Is it really as low as 75-25 with an MFM? Oh, yeah, for sure. You don't enjoy it? No, I do enjoy it, but I think that it's just this unusual thing that we've chosen to go this route. You can do it without it, basically. That's what you're saying. You're like, I could 100% do it without this. I was just letting my greedy id rule. I would say, you can't just get in touch with her by side and let's just go for it. What, penis policy? To rule them all! Hell yeah, boy! But that's not going to happen. No, I know. You have unleashed a absolute monster. On which side? Because I think both of our monsters are out to play. Your monster has always been out to play, but you've unleashed mine and it's not going back to the box. And so you and I... Say it loud enough for the people in the back to hear it, Kat. Pandora's box has been opened. As far as I'm concerned, the fact that you and I, we've evolved to the point where we can go into a play situation and it not be an even split and still just have compersion for each other. And enjoy the experience for the sexual fun that it is. Yes, there are spaces in between. And at the end of it, you are just as excited about, oh my God, I can't believe that just happened when it's an MFM. Yes, absolutely. And I feel the same with, let's say it's an MFF with a girl that's not very bi. I feel the same way. You get a lot of enjoyment from the social aspect of it where, you know, you're meeting somebody and you have to make a good impression and you have to... You've got a vibe. ...get it to go back to the bedroom. I also enjoy the enjoyment that you get out of it because I see how happy it makes you. And yes, that makes me happy. That is compersion, is seeing your partner get pleasure. And I'm seeing that more and more because a lot of the girls in our life are really leaning into you and really, you know, adore you. And I am enjoying watching the kudos you're getting, like madly. I really am seeing what you're seeing finally. And I mean, again, ever since that turning point where you might have dragged your feet about initiating the text back and forth exchange, you have been the gold standard in that department. You've been so amazing. You are, yes, you're a girly girl. You are a bestie energy. You are, yes, a unicorn whisperer. But I mean, you just have a wonderful authentic energy. It's a double team, right? We got a double team to get them comfortable to come into our bedroom. I come alive like the designated hitter in person. That's where I actually you help me with the text with the guys because I would probably lean in too far. Oh, I'll say this. He's like, you don't say that to a single guy. So he does help dictate. To say, I was kind of managed the situation in a way to try to make sure that you don't make any missteps. I can't write two weeks before and plan it. Part of it is I'm giving you a male perspective on, you know what? That's not the play. You can't come off as needy energy. You don't want to drape all over somebody after post nut clarity. Things like that. I listen to him. He is my swinger guru. Oh, OK. My your swing alley. Yeah, you're my yoni. You're your yoni. OK, there's my yoni down there. Oh, OK. 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