Find Your Ride-or-Die Partner: Because You’re Gonna Be Playing Pickleball at 80, with Jeanne Koepke and Pam McCurry

May we ask how many years you have blessed this earth? I'll be 61 on April 12th. So if you guys want to celebrate my birthday. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm a huge birthday person. Oh my God. You too. Huge, more than a five year old. It's awesome. Okay. Yes. And she's 64. I'll be 60. I get it in my Medicare card this year. My husband got his, he got it laminated. He pulls it out now to show it to people. It's right a passage I like. It's so awesome. It's pretty rad. I love it. If it's okay with you guys, we want to sort of point to that as an example of how you can still be vibrant. Active. Totally okay with that. Okay. Good. Because we're freaking bad-ass. Yes you are. Man for sure. We have group texts that say bad-ass old bitches. Yeah. We see this. This is what I'm talking about. Okay. We need that. Welcome to Dinks on Tap, where the pickleball meets the margarita. Or martini, because we enjoy a bit of both. We're your hosts, Casey and Lauren. And each week we explore it makes pickleball so darn fun. Not to mention the community and the connection that's built along with it. Today's guests are what happens when great chemistry meets great outfits and zero filter. These two ladies are proof that pickleball only gets better with age, better with attitude, and significantly better with coordinated outfits. We're talking about a duo who brings equal parts competitive fire and comedic timing every time they step onto the court. These ladies are the blueprint. They are the vibe. They are quite possibly us in about a few years. A few years. Yep, they are the duo we all secretly want to be. Please welcome the dynamic, the fashionable, the unapologetically fun, Jeannie Kepke and Pam McCurry. Woo! Jeannie, yes! Old people on the podcast, let's go! Let's go! We are so excited to have you girls here. Thank you for coming and joining us at the Banner House. The Banner House, yep. This is a T-bar-m facility here in Dallas and they were gracious enough to host us. And so we're so excited. Thank you, Banner House. It's very cool. Thank you for having us. You got it. Ladies, you all really are the example of what we think every rec player should be and should aspire to be everywhere. So Lauren and I have had the opportunity, obviously, to get to know you and play with you on and off the court. And you both are just really the epitome of the game and what pickleball is all about. Who says that? You compete. We say it every day. Who knows? You're the problem. We're awesome. That's right. You compete and you also play to win and you remind us that, you know, not to take yourselves too seriously. And that's what we love about y'all. So what we're wanting to kick off with is just kind of the beginnings of this partnership and friendship. How did it all begin? How did this dynamic duo come together in the first place? Okay, so we started at Glen Eagles during COVID, like 2021, we did not play, but we're both tennis players. So when we started, we thought we were really bad asses because we could hit the ball hard. Oh yeah. We all can hit the ball hard. We were really good. We thought we would go on pro any day. Our phone was like broken because we didn't know why they weren't calling us, but we were pretty sure we were good. Excellent. So we started literally, yeah, at Glen Eagles just doing open play and we would go and we're like, okay, this is kind of fun. This is kind of fun. We still hadn't met each other, you know? And then I think I played with your husband or something and then Mark's like, hey, you should maybe find this girl Jeannie, you know, maybe to play. So then we kind of started playing. Then we joined a TCD league at the time was TCD and we were in flight seven because they heard no history. Like we had nothing to say like, oh, we've played pickleball, we've done this before. So yeah, so they put us in flight seven. We could win in flight seven. You were the bad asses you thought you were. Well, that's why we thought we were until we took this lesson one time at this house with Ben Paquette and he was teaching us this third shot drop. And we're like, we walked to the car going, that was the biggest waste of money. We don't know what that was, but we don't need it. Cause clearly he doesn't know how hard we can hit. Come on. Seriously. Should we be like, never any more. Oh no, we've met it was the biggest waste of time ever in our lives. We're like, okay, that was stupid. And when did you learn it wasn't the waste of time? Well, then we got bitch slapped by Dom because then we got moved up to I think flight three or two, we were moving on up and he said, hey, you girls can hit the ball a ton. That's really great. He goes, you are going to get your ass handed to you at this level. And we're like, okay, come on. No, we're still pretty good. He brings in all these like really bad ass women players that have been playing for like so many more years. Susan Henderson. Yes. Susan Henderson. She's our girl. Yes, brought in all these girls and literally they kicked our ass. And all two of those. And they were older than we were. We were older. And we thought. And they were just, they were dropping in. Yeah, like in it. You know, I would do the power at the net, the person at the net, the little sucker at the net. Yeah, we know. I would hit it as hard as I could. And they're like, dude, I'm like, what happened? So we were crying in our car after and realized we do need to learn the thing. Yeah, Susan, did you reach back out to Ben? We did later. Later. Yeah, but I don't even know if he knew how we went to the car. I don't think we've ever told him that story. Now, sorry, man. So, Larry, as you should tell him, but he'll hear it. Yeah, he'll hear it. That's great. Yeah. That's so good. Okay, so today, here you are. You're playing, you're crushing still and even a very high level. Which is interesting because you said you were flight seven. Yeah. Just tell the listeners where you are today. Open A. Open A. Yeah. Which for the listener that doesn't know this, that is the top level. It's like the semi pro level. Yes. We're in the big leagues. Yeah, very good. They're big league ladies. They're big ladies here. Now that we play all the time in the big leagues. But we're in the big leagues, our name is on the thing. And we hold a clipboard very well. Very well. But in the over 55 Wednesday, we're also in the top thing there. And we can play in that league pretty well. Like, yeah. Now we compete. We call it the old lady league, but our captain has gotten mad at us and said we can't call it that anymore. She wants it to be 55 and 40. I like it. I like it. Well, that's it. That's it. That's it. I like old lady league. I just think it says it. Shout out to Ellen. I was like, that's Ellen Carter. Yeah. All over the place. We love Ellen. Well, I got to ask there for, today, who's the better player and or who thinks they're the better player? I will shoot you. I'll take this. Okay, go ahead. I think why our partnership is so good is because our games compliment each other. Pam has a better serve. My serve is not as good. She has a better third shot drop. I have a better drive. So there's the complimenting of the game is what makes this work. What works, yeah. Yeah. Because if we were both just hard hitters, that wouldn't be any good. But I can set her up and she can put it away. Yeah. Yeah. We always say too, like when we are playing together, like heaven forbid somebody's in the shitter, like you hope to God you're both not in the shitter together. Right? It's not a good place to be. It's the worst. It stinks. You know when it's happening and you feel it happening and you're like, so you need that person to pick you up going, okay, I've been there. I've been in that toilet bowl. And Pam's like, you're flushing down right now, but you're going to come back up. So we try. Yeah. We hardly ever play well at the same time. But when we do. Oh, when you do. We've seen y'all play great at the same time. At the same time, I don't think that'll ever happen. You're always harder on yourself than you are. That's very true. So true. I know for sure. So Imana said this earlier, but I want to just clarify. So who approached and said, we should do this. Like we should partner up. We should make this a thing. Well, we didn't know anybody that was very good. We didn't at Glenie. But then we started formulating. I tell you what happened is we were playing April and Cynthia till one day. They were a partner and this was early on and we were playing them in TCD and we split with them. And we walked off and said, hey, have you guys ever lost a game? And they're like, no, we haven't either. And so we kind of stuck together after that. And then of course now we've lost a lot of games. I love it. Okay. So I'm curious, what does pickleball give you that's different from tennis or any other sport? Is there something that you're drawn to about pickleball in particular? They gave me genie. Aw. Aw, I know. I know. But do you have such a good group of friends now that we never would have had? I've always been a big workout person, like, you know, whether it's like spinning or whatever. But there's never been that community, that sense of community when you're going to, you know, it's like you'd see people at the gym, you're like, hey, okay, good to see your face. Yeah. Kicked your ass on the spin class. But yeah, you didn't have this. Like this was a whole other vibe, you know, when it was. So just so you know, like on Sunday, she sends me my week at a glance. I don't know if you've ever loved this. Please tell us. But my week at a glance tells me everything we're doing that week and the next morning, I'll pick you up at 6.30 a.m. or whatever. And we go out every day and face the world in pickleball. So is the week at a glance just your pickleball schedule or is it? No, it has everything. I have like mammograms for her. She has to pick up her grandson. Somehow my like calendar got on her family calendar. Yeah, so my 22 year old son will be like, so does Pam know she has a mammogram in my mind? Well aware. Well aware. Yeah, it's back. How did this happen? Like when did this happen? I don't know. This happened. We kind of gradually got that way because I still use a paper calendar. Yeah, so that's how it happens. So like she's paper calendar. So someone like we'd be with you guys and you'd be like, hey, can we play next week? And she'd be like, yeah, I have no idea. I don't have my phone. So like literally everyone just turns to me and goes, OK, Jeannie, can she play? I'm like, yes, she can. She's available. I know. And then like, can you come to? She knows I play can asked on Tuesday. So like that's terrific. And I know her book club. I know all that. Like she'll send me her like items to add to the Week in a Glance. And then I send her the Week in a Glance. This is so funny. You know what's interesting about this? And like I just think it'd be fun to explore. I don't have a lot of questions about it, but just riffing. Pick a ball. Like Casey and I are like this too. We always talk about how there's one admin and a duo here. Oh, we talked to all about this. For sure. It's a real thing. Like one of the two will be the point person for who plays when and what in tournaments and all kinds of jazz. And in our duo, it is Casey. Yeah. And I am perfectly fine with that. Me too. Yeah, it's delightful. I love it. I love it. I've not scheduled a magegram for you yet, though. Good God. Listen, that's my bitch. That's a holy realm of them. This is what I'm touching on. And I find it really, really cool. Because there are other duos that play pick ball that have become really dear friends, right? Really dear friends off the court and who spend time together, not just practicing pick a ball and talking pick a ball and how are we going to keep capitalizing on this thing that brings us community and connection and all the fun things that we love about it. But we start to really get to know each other. And there's this symbiosis that gets sort of displayed on the court where you are complimenting each other. And it's amazing that can happen both on the court and then you start to compliment each other off the court a little bit. And it's like your lives start to gel and glue in ways that spouses and other people are like, where'd you go? You're spending all this time with your pal who's this pick a ball. The pick a ball is taking over your life and all this stuff. But it happens across the board. And specifically, it happens with female friendships. And I just find this to be an interesting thing because it's happening when you're 20. It's happening in 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s. Casey's mom is in her 80s and plays pick a ball with a group of ladies. Three times a week. They came to our event in November. They rented a Sprinter van, a party bus. Oh, I love this. They had boas. There were like 15 of them. There was like 15 of them. And they are her pick a ball crew. I'm like, you know what? Pick a ball is this conduit for connection and true. It's seemingly a little bit more maybe female than male, but like female connection. And so I just love it's comedic to hear the stories like, hey, I'm in charge of her calendar off the court. But it's not that surprising. And it's not that uncommon. Can we just note that? But I think the thing that is a little uncommon, like I think as you get older, you don't often like make a good friend as you're getting older. You know what I mean? Like usually all that's kind of happened. You're kind of like, hey. Got your side of my comrades or friends of your kids, parents and all that kind of stuff. But I mean to find Pam. I know. Like our grown children know each other and travel together on their way to education together. And they're in three different states. And they like come together and go, oh, what are we doing for Thanksgiving? Yeah, I mean. And Pam set up, you know, Paige with her boyfriend. Oh yeah, I did. With who? Her boyfriend. My daughter Paige. So we were in New York for my 60th birthday. And so we're all there. My daughter lives there. And so Pam would just ask and Paige like, hey, I don't understand this hinge thing. What's happening? And Paige is like, oh, I forgot. And so Basil, her boyfriend pops up and Pam goes, oh, he's really cute. And they've been together ever since. And so when he came into town, they went over to meet so he could meet Pam and say thank you. So who knows? Yeah, see? Who knows? See? So that's taken an awful circle. I love it. Really? I mean, that is so good. You're integrated in every part of life. That's very cool. Yeah, it's awesome. Very cool. His friends are friends. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Thank you, Pickleball. Thank you. Thank you, Pickleball. Right. Absolutely. Go ahead, Kate. So I was going to ask about that. You're right about it's harder as you get older to find friends. And you talked about how we're kind of stuck already in our groups or our cliques, whatever it is. But I'm curious, let's say you're just talking to a group of ladies that are trying this out. They're 50s, 60s, 70s. What would you tell them? Why tell them it's the best sport ever? Like, it's the most fun ever. It is. Yeah, and I think you meet so many new people, but we also say this a lot because we have people that just like tend to play with the exact same people, right? So it's like your growth is never going to happen until you go and venture out and meet other people. I mean, because people are always blown away. If they're staying in a country club situation, it's very, you know, listening. I mean, they're always blown away. Like Pam and I say, like, we go wherever anybody is telling us to go. We're not locked into, we're certainly not locked into Glen Eagles. We'll go wherever you tell us to go. And that's the thing I think that's important is like, you've got to venture out. Like it can't just be the four of us playing, hey, you want to play Monday, Wednesday, Friday? OK, great. Because then you end up right back where we were. Right, right. And your game's the exact same. Everything's the same. Nothing's changed. So I think that's the important thing. But I think friendships alone is huge. I mean, it's a huge community and it's amazing how much this thing is. Oh, like we have so many friends that we didn't know before. 2021. And then like our main friends. Yeah, like our main people. Those people I used to know anymore, like, who are they? Yeah, I don't know. I got a little question about that real quick. I mean, I'm going off here, but I love it because we touch on this a lot, which is, you know, let's say you start pick a ball, right? You tell these ladies, best sport in your life, you got to start it. So these ladies start and they meet some people and they're jiving and things are getting fun and all of a sudden their lifestyle start to change a little bit because maybe they're making different decisions so they can show up on the court the next day or the next week and perform well, right? And then there's bonding and synergy that's going on. Maybe they go out for drinks after the sport is over, whatever. Over time, their people that were in their lives consistently are noticing that their person doesn't have a lot of room for them because they don't play pick a ball. Oh, they get left behind in a way. They get a little left behind. And it's this sort of subtle maybe, not so subtle, but mostly subtle transition from the way that you were in terms of the way you spent your time. Gets more and more allocated to this sport and everything around the sport, right? And so the people that aren't around this sport or not doing it or participating or don't get the sort of obsession, quote, unquote, vibe that we all write, you know, embark upon kind of feel a little left out. And they start wondering, what did I do? Hey, do you want to go grab lunch? Oh, but I'm with my team. Right. Or I've got my. I got Wednesdays Friday. Yeah. I got to go by train. And I'm a week by the way. Oh, let me call Jeannie and see if I'm available. Let me check my genies. Hold up. But did you encounter any of that more on the nose? I think at our age, though, it was a natural transition somewhat because our kids were leaving home. And so those friends that we'd had for their whole entire school years, all of a sudden they're retiring, they're downsizing, people are changing right then. And we just walked over into this. Yeah, I get it. So that was already a time of transition. Yeah, it was definitely there. Yeah. And there wasn't anyone where you were still in your group that felt the change at all. Well, it's interesting you say that because like my next door neighbor and I were very tight just because our kids were all the same age growing up. So we did, I mean, pretty much everything together. But then like when I started playing pickleball, she also started a new business, you know what I mean? So I don't see her as much, but the love and all that is still there. So it's not like she's ever saying, Jeannie, what are you doing? You know, because she's equally as busy. But I get what you're saying. Like I get like sometimes like people take a different turn and it's like. So you find just like there's so much gratitude for having found your bestie at this age. Oh, 100 percent. Like if this chapter. I don't even know what I'd be doing. I have no idea. I'd just be sitting at home crying or something. Watching a lot of Netflix. I mean, Pages at Old. I was like, OK, so your bestie has your bestie. I'm like, oh, she's good. All good. Like, yeah. It was we don't know what I would have done without pickleball. Yeah, seriously. Yeah, it is weird because it was a big transition right then, you know, 2020, my daughter was a senior that year and COVID and all that. It was bad. Yeah. It wasn't pretty. That's right. I was going to say, we talk a lot about a lot of these same things about pickleball changing our lives. If you could write a ball, a love letter, what would you say? Oh, dear. Started with Dear Jeanie. Thank you. It's not dear pickleball. It's dear. Jeannie. Oh, that's so sweet. Yeah, it's weird. I've never had a sport encompass me so much. Like I played tennis growing up. I was like, OK, that was fun. I've done this like, but I have not had anything that has really encompassed me so much and just like met so many great people. It's crazy. Dear God, I would just say thank you, Mr. Pickleball Man, woman. It's a woman. She's a woman. It is a woman. It's a woman. It's a woman because there ain't no pickleball man that's like, yes, thank you. My husband probably doesn't say thank you to this sport that often either. So are they are they are very visible play like the four of us will play again. They're mostly every Sunday. Yeah. Oh, very cool. Instead of going to church. Well, something like that. I don't know. We pray on the court. We do talk. We do say Jesus. We do mention him. It can be pretty spiritual at times. I'll be it. So that's great. So you would say thank you for I just say thank you for introducing me to this sport. Thank you for bringing together this community that we know. Yeah, that we now hang out with all the time. Thank you for bringing me Pam and her family. I adore her family. So I mean, our families hang out. Yeah, it's all good, man. It's all good. What do you think is different, though? I mean, you talked about this sport being all encompassing. I think this was kind of encompassing for me at a time because I was in that TCD realm. Yes, and I didn't do it. So I can't explain that for like five or six years. I was even teaching half time so I could make sure that I didn't miss TCD. So that was a big deal. But it was meaner than pickleball is not as mean as tennis. You know, I mean, yeah, is there a lot of drama? Yes. But we laugh a lot more. Right. But even on the court, you know, I mean, you're laughing. You're right up beside somebody. It's kind of silly. Yeah, it's loud. That's why I always crack up the people that are like, could you tone it down here? I'm in a pickleball match. I'm like, are you insane? Like there's usually like music crank, like everybody's yelling. I'm like, it's a party. Yeah, it's a total party. That's why tennis is very quiet. Yeah, it's quiet and the balls. We're not good looking. You can land a plane on the freaking court now. So I'm curious about this piece a little bit in lieu of that. How has your approach to competition changed over time, if at all? Oh, we're pretty comfortable. I had to. She needs to mean the people. Do silly. I mean the people. What does mean look like? So we have a few altercations on the court. You have some altercations. We have all that every day. Tell us everything because we have not witnessed this. I know there's a lot of them. No. It's not. OK, I will small one Friday night on the court. Yeah, we always have altercations. So what happened on Friday? No, no, that's mixed. That doesn't count. I am very competitive and I'm very hard on myself. Like so when I'm not playing well, I'm very hard on myself. But I also get very competitive to a point where like if someone questions me on something, I'm just like, really? Yeah, I go, you know, I forget. I think that somebody makes a bad line call and he's like, oh, so now the line doesn't count. Yeah, so now the white line is in. I go, OK, I'm glad I understand now because now I understand what you're doing. OK, so you're talking. A little smirk. Yeah, I like a little smirk talk. I mean, there's a lot of smacks. But I can be a little harsh. I will admit that. I'm that's hilarious. What do you think? What do you people? They'll tell. Let me ask you this. What do you think brings that out? Because, for example, Casey and I have played you guys, I don't know, what, three times or four times? And I'm your life. Well, truly, we have not experienced this part. We would never get an altercation with you guys. Well, so that's my question. Like, what is it that elicits this kind of spirit spiciness? I don't know. Ginny's a little mean. Oh, my God. But you're not. And I don't know. Ginny is being mean. Like, we both will, like, get up in somebody's face in 10 seconds. I don't know. Is it in a more competitive environment? Yeah, it's not like fun. Not like fun, not when you're just going out to just play, but like in a competitive environment. At a tournament or? Yeah, and when someone's just for fun, we get in an altercation. Oh, I love it. Like, Friday night would have a Friday night. Nothing. No. I think in a time, I think anytime someone questions your call or whatever, I think that can sometime bud a little bit. Yeah. Anytime I see a call that's like where the ball is clearly freaking in and I'm like, seriously? That's bad. And I have a very, I will say I have a very sharp tongue and I can be very sarcastic and I can be a little harsh. That is true. But I do it all kind of with a smile. But at the same time, I'm like, don't fuck with me. Because I will. You better can lay. It is a bless your heart. It is a bless your heart. Yeah. So I know I don't. Do you think that there's anything that younger players get wrong about thinking about playing long term? Wow. No. So I admire all these young players. I see these young players and I'm like, wow, this is like cutting edge and it's starting to get into the college thing, right? Oh, yeah. College is huge. Yes, their buildings. So I look at them and go, wow, I wish literally. Yeah, I could have played that one. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I mean, but we make fun of younger players too. Like we're in this little group text with this guy that we met since we've been playing. Oh, they're picking up dudes. So it's three women in this guy in our text stream. It's called Pickleball Winners and Clark. So for the three women are the winner right now. How old is Clark? What's this? Clark is like 30 something. He's a sadder. He's a sadder. We love you, Clark. We love you, Clark. He's a sadder. But he's a loser. No. How did he get a little text? You all just played. So we played them in a tournament. This was early on, too. He literally had a wife beater. Yeah, yeah, a wife beater shirt, which right there were like, OK, what's happening? He blew up on the court. He drove up on the court. His friends were drinking and he was too. Yeah. And so we're playing against them and I don't know what's happening. Like we're like kind of largesse in clothing, obviously. Yeah, I think it was three games. And I think we won the first one, lost the second one and won the third one. But literally Clark is sweating to death and we're just kind of running around. And his friends are like, what is up with these two ladies? They're much older than you. What is happening? They're not sweating. They're not doing anything. You're in a white beater. You've already thrown up. What's happening? So they became our friends. You'll see that's great. The sport really true. And that's yeah, right there. Yeah. I love that so much. And OK, think about this. When would you ever in other ways have a reason to have Clark on a text message? Right. Right. Like Clark and Taylor, who are young, they're like texting these 60 year old bitches, these are our friends. And they're friendship and they're like, I'm sorry, what? Also, yes. Yeah. We guess. And like you're probably inviting them to your birthday party. I imagine they're shame and argue. This is pickleball. I mean, this is the coolest thing about this sport. It is a conduit for people coming together. I don't care what age you are. I don't care where you come from. It is the great equalizer. And we are all just having this good time and it is joyful. You can be silly. You can throw up and come back and hit a third shot drop. And nail it. And it's like, what? Yeah. I mean, it's cuckoo, but it's also competitive in some ways and it feels good. And you can just bond. I mean, there's not another sport that really provides that landscape. Yeah. Male and female. Like, they can male, female and age all over the place. Right. Right. I got picked up in a bus. I got to ask you guys about the matching outfits. Who's when did this start? Whose idea was this? So like I go on the dark web, they come from like Vietnam. Who knows? They're probably like seven year old suits. I am on the dark web. I know. Like I can't even use my. I use this as a paper calendar. Yeah. She's a dark web. I mean, they're like $12. But you can get them for everything. Like, you know, we have them for Mother's Day for. I mean, literally, we have Mother's Day, happy birthday. We have, I don't even know how many Halloween, Christmas. We have Kentucky Derby. We have Mardi Gras. We have Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day. What's the craziest? Craziest one you have. Maybe. We're most fun. Your favorite. The most fun is the happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday once they're fine. Happy birthday skirt. Yeah. Cause it's just brings happiness to the sun. And it's just whoever you're playing, you know, it's their birthday or it's one of your. Birthday at random. Wear them when we know like you see on Facebook and somebody's birthday. Yeah. We don't even know him that way. Yeah. You know, we're going to open play and Jack's. Yeah. We're going to say it's his birthday. We're going to bring his. Yeah. But I don't know when that started. Like I don't know if he started matching at first or. But like literally, I swear. And this is no lie. She has ordered so many of these shirts. Like she gets in my car and she'll be like, Hey, here's another one. Like, and it's like, cause she'll order Valentine's Day in like the summer. Because they take like only 10. Six months. I mean, I'm not kidding. They come from, I don't even know where. Yeah. Okay. So Pam, you got to tell us what's the site. Like how you do. Shout out to the site. Who knows what the site is like. Like literally everybody always asks us like they'll be like, Oh, where'd you get the sky go talk to her and she'll be on dark web. No. What? I don't know what that means. I don't know. Amazon. I don't know. That's a, but it's weird the way they come from like, it'll say they're going through customs in and you can't even say the name of the town. Like it's not Shanghai. It's something way worse than that. Okay. That's so so just preface for the audience here. Jeannie and Pam show up and they are often coordinated. Always coordinated. They're always, let's be real, they're always coordinated. I must replay with someone and they think that might be weird. Right. Sometimes we don't when we go, we don't know those. We change for them. No, you wouldn't. We have done that before. I literally texted her before I'll be like, Hey, so we're playing someone new. I don't, they're going to think we're weird if we show up together. She's like, okay, good call. Spoken up to the dooper and they're like four, five or over. We try not to dress alike. Really? Why does she think they're so serious? Well, yeah, I mean, we're intimidating to show the book. Either that or it's kind of like going skiing where it's like you have a really cool outfit, but you're a terrible skier, you know, is it always the skirt? Just the skirts or there's other accoutrements? No, we have matching. No, these shirts that we have now. Oh, these are the best shirts ever. Yeah, they're $12 to. Jean-Anne was on. They're the best shirts ever. You see, they're not from X dark. We're not. These I found. Like, so yeah. So we have these in every color. Yeah. Who decided that you should start matching? Like who was it that said. It just came about. It's just I don't know if it started like when you first started in PCD, you know, like you would go in a team would be like matching colors, you know, navy and white or whatever. You're like, okay, that's kind of cool. So I think we might have started. Who knows? Doing that. And then it literally evolved into her buying 500 of these. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, audience, they are wearing matching Easter skirts with bunnies. With bunnies on them. The bunnies look real happy and cute. We had several to choose from too. We have matching shirts. Yeah. She goes, is it yesterday with St. Patty's could we still wear St. Patty's and we went, no, we better do Easter. That would be a bear. Oh, my God. What did you wear for St. Patty's? We have two skirts there. We have two for there. Two cloverleaves and. Just don't have like an outfit change in the middle of the game. We, I mean, we never do an outfit change, but we do like literally text the night before and like lay it out like, Hey, what do you think? She's like, okay, yeah. Now, have you ever won a match purely on intimidation because you showed up in the same outfit? No. Are you sure? We do get a lot of talk about the. We do. We do get a lot of talk. A lot of time. We first showed up in the shirts that say don't be a dink. Remember we were at that time. We have two shirts that say, once this don't be a dink and once this send. Dink picks, but we were at this tournament. I mean, and one people stopped us and they're like, okay, let me take your picture. Or you would get like, I don't know if that's appropriate. I'm like, okay, well, you need to get over yourself. Well, those people are not our people. Like you're not hanging out with me. So we have a lot of class. Oh, a lot. Is there any of this off limits on the court? Anything that's off limits on the court in the way of outfit. Oh, outfit crop tops. Have to look really good in a crop top. Yeah. No crop top. No crop tops. No. Yeah. That's about it. Anything else? Try to think. We like on Commando a lot. So there's that. We do. We get used to that smooth. Yeah, that is a new one. Wait, what? Okay. So this was a good store. Okay. Good store. Explain. Explain yourself. So we started with that one turn. The one tournament we were at in Rockwall. Yeah. At the Golden Ticket thing. Yeah. We literally were there. This was two years ago, I think. It was so great. From like nine in the morning until nine at night. But we were at this thing forever. This tournament went on forever. We were in the same clothes. We never thought about changing. Nothing. We didn't know. We didn't know. We didn't know. Nothing. All day. We had to roll down our windows on the way home at 11 o'clock at night. We stocked some red. Yeah, we're so bad. And we're like, okay, I don't know what's happening, but we got to rethink when we do a tournament now. Like maybe we need to bring some extra clothes, some socks. Sure. I mean, literally our clothes were standing that boat. Mark came and met us at the car. He goes, okay, you guys smell so bad. It's like we don't do this. It was. So then we did that tournament at Glen Eagles and like we again didn't know it was going to go on this long and it was hot, hot, hot. So we went in. Oh, you called Daniel to say, can you please bring me some undies because this is a hot mask and he's like, oh, for the love of God, I go drop shelf. I go, just reach and grab it. Come up and just hand me to Daniel. Is your my 22 year old son. Oh God. He's like, no, Daniel. Man, Daniel's the bomb. Daniel loves his mom. He brought in a pair of underwear for, but then we decided, wait, why do we need him? Why do we need underwear? Let's just go commando. And so now that it's like, do you have spiking shorts and stuff? Well, I mean, you know, you got little bloomers, but you don't need undies under the bloomer, biking shorts and it helps a lot. It really does. That candle thing was the whole commando situation. I was like, how does it help? That was freeing. Yeah, it was very like, I don't know. Are you not commando? I don't wear underwear and biking shorts and bloomies are the underwear. Right. And most people do that. Like, and we never, I don't know why we didn't know why we didn't. Because we're old and we thought, I don't know. We did. So now we're not. Now we're like, with the. Yeah, we're thinking about it now. It's just like, you don't have to worry about the article. And then we're Daniel doesn't have to bring me underwear anymore. So that he's thankful of that. Yeah. Please, this needs to all. Oh no, these are. I don't know, man. This is like gold. I mean, you pretty much just named the episode. It's like, genie and Pam go commander. Our kids are gonna be so. Your kids are going to love this episode. Oh yeah. Y'all, I did not expect to become emotionally attached to a robe. And yet here we are. Cozy Earth sent us their robe today and it is so incredibly soft. The fit is easy and flattering. The pockets are actually useful and it has that rare quality of feeling cozy without feeling sloppy. It just feels special. It's like someone thought about all the little details that make quiet moments better and y'all, I am not embarrassed to say I work from home and I worked all day long in this rope. And that's why I think it makes such a great Mother's Day gift. Mom, if you're listening, I may have just ruined the surprise, but this is such a sweet gift for moms and mother figures out there who have always cared for us. It's an everyday luxury, but in the best, most wearable and most real life kind of way. And Cozy Earth also offers a hundred night sleep trial and a 10 year warranty, which makes trying it even easier. So head to CozyEarth.com and don't forget to use code DINX for an exclusive 20% off. And if you see a post purchase survey, be sure to mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here on DINX ON TAP because home starts with mom. Let's go to pet peeves. Yeah. So, well, yeah, we're just curious about like grievances on the court. Like what? That drives you nuts on the court. Yeah. Between her and I? No, no, no, no, no. Just like generally. Generally about overall people. People in general. You just don't see anybody. We don't like them. OK, so here, I think we said this to you guys. What we want to do is go out there and have fun. We want someone to play against that. We're going to laugh and giggle. So we always say, like, when we're playing, like, we're like, we're like, someone's bringing in a fourth. I go, well, who is it? They'll be like, blah, blah, blah. I go, like, what a buzzkill. Like, I mean, she's no fun. She doesn't make us giggle. She doesn't laugh. There is no fun going on. So that's the big one. That's what pet peeves. It's like, we'll never one with playing with Pam and Jeannie. Better bring your funny bone. Better bring your funny bone because we don't like that. Say something funny one time. I mean, that's one time. That's all we need is one time. Like. We can remember it for a long time. Yeah, we can. That's probably our biggest. I'm trying to think of anything else. Yeah, we don't like people that aren't funny. No. I don't like condescending. I don't like when someone says, oh, I'm so sorry. Did I hit that too hard? I'm like, oh, God. Oh, did I want that chick to overshadow? She was going to, like, hit it softer. She wanted to know if we wanted her to serve full on us. Well, remember the other states? Who was the chick that said she wasn't playing full on? The other girl recently said she wasn't playing full on just yet. I go, yeah, I'm not either. But OK, good luck. They need both of them. I'm like, who says that? It's stuff like that irritates me. And that's where I go into a very not good place. They deserve it at that point. That's BS. I do. I think, like, honestly, this is interesting because I would suggest that there is an energetic exchange that happens before any verbal exchange. Like, you've got to tell when someone's being an asshole or someone just shows up and they're in a shitty mood. Right. Right. And they're going to bring some of that sarcasm, some of those quips that are just not cool. Right. You can kind of read that before it happens. Conversely, when people show up and they have a smile on their face and they're happy to be outside and they've got a game going on, kicking off the week, kicking off the day, you feed off of that a little bit. Right. It's like it may not be necessarily funny, but it might be just enjoyable to be around. It's an energetic thing. And I think that because there is such a small surface area, pickleball, more than maybe some other sports, allows for this particular exchange that goes on. It's like, energy is the fifth man on the court. It's like this weird thing where you can read the other side of the net and you can respond to that. You can fortify against that. You can read your partner what they're bringing that day. Right. And sometimes if you're too susceptible to whatever else is going on, it can pull you into that vortex. Right? Like it's a culpable deal. And so when you talk about fun, KC and I are similar in that same respect. I mean, at the end of the day, we're hitting a wiffleball. We're outside. We're having a good time. Like, guys, we're not curing cancer. We're like, green surgery into this business. So let's just laugh. We don't need hook lines. Like, it's a red game. Yeah. We're not getting paid at the end of the day. We're not going to. I know. Well, we have won a couple of us. Some money balls. And you've won some money balls? Yes. OK, so we won like $50. One time. Hey, we won. That's awesome. We had some cash and we got free massage. Yeah, we did. Oh, massage. I'm sorry. What? Yeah. We got free massage. Which one of us got, but one of us did not. I forgot. You know what? Because it wasn't on her week at a glance. And I made the appendix and then missed it. And literally she was sitting around not like. I was at home and I'm doing nothing. Do you not get it? Set when shit isn't on your week at a glance? Like, are you like, why didn't you put that on my cover? I don't know if I did. I don't know what happened. I just am old. I'm a little bit old. So it's just saying, I miss mine. We tried to get a couple of swimmers. Yeah, we did. Let us do what a couple is saying. We were going to hold hands in the couple of us. We were all set, ready. We would have laid on the same bed together. We don't care. Amazing. We have done that, and we're saying. There is no shame in our game. I love it. Pickleball brings people together. Very hustle. Like this. Brings Genie and Pam on the same massage table. Oh my god. Genie and Pam go commando on the massage table. Thanks, Pickleball. Thank you, Pickleball. What's unique about your partner communication, or what have you learned? And what are the kind of your tricks with each other? Let's say you are spiraling. And you're down that point. Let's go back to basics, and we'll say make sure you move your feet, get your knees down, hit it down the middle, because our shots aren't working right now. So just hit it down the middle. ABCs, yeah. Right. So try to go as low as you can. But just. Pam said when we were in that tournament last week, and the last game we played, it was extremely windy. But it's windy on both people. I don't know if you guys know that. It's not just on you. Don't you say it. Which is weird. It's weird. That's weird. That's weird. But she said, and I thought this was so good, she goes, OK, it's not windy at all, Jeannie. It's not windy at all. We are just going to play our game. She goes, we're going to let them get affected by it being windy, because one girl was already bugged, and we hadn't even started playing yet. And she was already bugged. Yeah, she was mad. Yeah. She was windy. And Pam's like, it's not windy for us. It's not windy at all. Hit the ball down the middle. That's all we're going to do. And she's like, let them make the mistakes. And I'm like, oh my god, you're brilliant. I am. And so humble to Bob it. But I thought that was so smart. I really did. I was like, OK. So you just talk. You know each other's styles. You compliment each other well. From the head perspective, you just communicate is what I'm hearing. And honestly, we don't get mad at each other. Like really, if she's in the shitter, I'm just so happy it's not me. She always says, so what is our thing? What did we say? What's the game we played? And you had the seven serves. One time, I'm not kidding. I hit seven serves bad in one game. Like you wouldn't even think you had the ball seven times to serve. But I did. And I hit seven. So that's our threshold. Well, we won. We still won. We still won that game. Rob, go. So crazy. So anytime, like, you know, I'm good at, you know, and I'm like, OK, I'm so sorry. She goes, OK, wait, wait, tell it seven times. And then we'll cheat each other about it. Like, you know, but. As soon as you get to seven, that's the threshold. It's your magic number. It's hard to get seven. It really is. Today, I think you got three. Yeah, I did. In one game. Thank you. I'm glad we brought that up. What advice would you give to people that are looking for a good partner? You know, someone that's partnerless and like out there. What do you do? People that are partnerless. Yeah. They're a dating app for this. Right. Dating. But it's a partner. It's about the hinge thing. We'll get hurt as like dialysis. Seriously, rocket at fours. Don't worry. Really look forward to that. The dark web. On the dark one. Oh, God. But it's on your calendar. Yeah. We'll be on your calendar. No, no, no. This is interesting. I'll reference the story, whether or not we keep it or not. This is debatable. But they're specifically all reference one particular example of this entire sort of experience, which is you can be a very, very good player and not have a partner. And as you grow into various levels and you get to a high level, it's harder and harder maybe to find a partner. And if you haven't developed somebody at a lower level with you, where you've risen to this level and you've just reached it, a lot of people are paired off. Right? It's not terribly dissimilar. Most people haven't, though. It's weird. You guys are partners. But most people don't have. We have a lot of people that are so sad. They're like, how did you and Pam do this? And I'm like, it just happened organically. And so, but let me ask you this. I think the better you are, the harder it is to find somebody who complements you. Right. And therefore, you might find other people that are partnerless, but your expectations for what they bring to your game and what you bring to their game is higher. So you're just a little bit more choosy. I mean, this is not terribly dissimilar from dating older than in your 20s, let's say. All right. So you're just a little pickier because you know yourself better. Right? And it's interesting because in pickleball, because it's a generally, it's a foursome game, people are not as interested in reaching out to you if you don't have a fourth built in. Oh, that is true. And so it's hard to reach out to people. And OK, can you get a partner? And can you sign a form? They don't want to play with us because they know we're not going to split up. Right. Well, that's the same thing. Same, right. That's another thing. Or we will choose not to go to an event because we know they're not. They're splitting people up and we're like, well, that's so fun. Right. Because it's a waste of a day. Well, because in an era, it's like we want to work on stuff. We want to figure stuff out. Like, we got to figure out, like, how are we going to beat Lauren in case we don't know? Like, how are we going to do this? No kidding. Actually, they will. They will. They're going to scratch that little record. And they have. Well, and now there's a team that formed. In fact, it's your team. Your team is based on partnerships. Which I think is super smart. Yeah, I think that makes sense. But most of them are not. Yeah. It's really true. We do that intentionally because of that very fact where you go to these high performing round robins, these open plays, and people expect you to split up. And when you have developed, you spent time and energy and money over the years to develop with somebody. The last thing you want to do is go play with somebody else for the first time. Hey, my name is Noah. Nice to meet you. So what side do you like? Oh, you're left. What do you do? What happens when I hit this? Or, yeah, I'll coach that. I always feel bad. Like, literally, I always feel bad. If I mess up, I'm always like, oh, I'm so sorry. I don't even know you. But I don't feel bad at all if I mess up with you because you know it's fun. Right. It just works. It's built in comfort. It's built in safety and ease. And you just end up growing together. And there's some worth to that and value. So therefore, if you don't have that at a high level, fewer and fewer people, if you're not going to a round robin or an open play, fewer and fewer people are unlikely to call and say, hey, do you want to come play on Saturday? Round up a game. And that makes those folks who don't have partners a really want to partner, right? Because they otherwise get left out of this awesome community thing that's going down. And so it's one of those deals where the question becomes therefore, how do you find a partner that complements you? Yeah. If you've not developed with them. Your friends that are partnerless. OK, but it's also the same thing. We don't get invited to a lot of round robins because they know we don't want to split up. So you also get left out because of that. Especially at a high level round robins, they're willing to actually get there. Yeah, we're not necessarily going to invite Pam and Jeannie because Pam and Jeannie want to stay together. They're not interested. Well, we say that. Do you feel like it's 50-50 on that? Yeah, I do. I think so. Yeah. Because I would suggest that's interesting. I would suggest that there is only a couple of round robins or open plays that I know of that insist on splitting. There are a lot that don't mind if you don't split. And furthermore, there are a lot of people that are like, oh, let's get Casey Moore in the books. Or, hey, Casey Moore reached out. Let's go play with them. It's so much easier to get games because we're already a duo. It's easier to get a game but not a round robin group. You know, it's one text. It's like, oh, I got my pie grief done. Right, yeah. They don't have to do any work to go find another person. And I think the round robins are you're at a risk, unfortunately, of getting siloed with the same people. Right, yeah. So my point here is that when you are in part of a duo, you actually up your chances of playing with people, having fresh blood on the court, and getting asked more often. I feel like there's a lot of times, especially the weekends, where there's a lot of round robins, people that work, you know, whatever. Weekend round robins are a thing. And we don't get invited to those. Yeah. But it's easy for us to find the game. Yeah. You know how trouble you're finding. But back to your point about finding, what would we tell somebody about finding a partner? And we've talked a lot about that. Like with our Glen Eagle's friends. Like, you know. Because they don't have partners and they need them. And they're always like, you and Pam, I can't. You know, I'm like, OK, you've got to figure out who is your person. Like, whoever's on your team, like, you know, go to the case, go to the law. You know, whatever. And see if like, there's a fit there. Like, and keep playing with it. But it's hard to find that person. It really is. So we're like super. The four of us are like super lucky. We are. Yeah. Oh, 100% of we talk about that all the time. I mean, just so grateful. You don't even realize it until you get to a certain level competition in my opinion. I do agree with that. Yeah. Because I think like, as we were like moving up the ranks, we're just kind of like, OK, well, what am I? Yeah, people are just lacklidazibly playing with other people. Just keep going. Just going to get a game in. Yeah. And now we're like pro. Yeah. Now that we're like pro. Like pro. Now you're serious. Like pro. But like pro. Like pro. Just like the pros. Which is the same thing we guys. They're just like say pro. Because if you say it, then you are. They get to you make it there, Jeannie. I started saying I was on a semi-protein. She did. From the very beginning. OK, well, that's a good idea. And so it became this brand and people that, you know, friends or whatnot, they'd be like, OK, see, he's on this semi-protein. Did you hear she said my protein? That's true. Who does this even mean, though? Who knows? You are interpretationally laughable. It's a made-up word that goes out. So laughable now. But it actually came from Charlotte Bartow's sister. I met her and she said, oh, my sister, she's on this semi-protein. And they're looking for it. And I was like, oh, my god, I can't do that. You know, that's how it started. I guess. But like half the people on your team are on a senior pro team right now. They're so seared. They're so good. They are. We're on a pretty badass team, not gone. OK, F&A is no joke. They're not. I mean, let's just say for the record, F&A is no freaking joke. No joke at all. I mean, half the people on your team are either 20 or they're on a senior pro team. Well, not half. But two of them. All of them. The one I ever carry. The one that feels like all of them. Everybody accepts us. I mean, again, we said this earlier, that is the big leagues big time. Like, there is no joke about that. You know, it's been fun to, it's intimidating, of course. And you've got to have some internal security to be on a team where you feel like you have to. You're going to lose a lot if you're playing. I saw you guys play last week or the week before. You guys played badasses. Badasses. Y'all were playing our team. But yes. And you said, and I said that to you guys too. When it ended, I go, oh my god, you guys played lots out. I've never seen you play. It was awesome. Thank you very much. And that's the other thing. I think that's the other thing. I was going to say semi-pro. Yeah, semi-pro. First-ever pro. Commando. The commandos. You said my pro. Commando. But that's the love of this game, right? Like, so our team is playing your team. We know all the girls on that team, you know, on your team. We love all you guys. So it's like, you guys are playing our team. I'm like, OK, you guys kicked ass and we're so freaking good. I mean, I was like, oh, gosh, that means so much for that. I kind of want you to say it was everything we taught you. Well, you know what? I got learned teachers from both of you. For sure. We learned that from Genie and Pam. Definitely. That's going to be the whole new thing. It's like we learned that from Genie and Pam. Yeah, anyways, they've learned. From now on, everything you learn. They're going to help Genie and Pam. They're semi-pro. Commando. I mean, I'll take that. I'm going to take that in. I know, I'm taking that. Damn. We're going to debrief after this. And that's going to be said. What are they going to get started with? That's always going to be. When they're old, when they're old, they want to be like Genie and Pam. They started the whole thing with that. You know, we are like Genie and Pam. We are like Genie and Pam. They don't know it fully, but that's who we are. We're going to be like Genie and Pam. We need a t-shirt. Yeah. Oh, we'll get one made. We say that word all the time, Genie and Pam. People don't know which one's which. They really don't. We do have skirts with our names on it. Yeah, we do have one skirt. Yeah. With your names on there. There's a difference between us. Like literally it's Genie and Pam. Genie and Pam, Genie and Pam. They don't know which one's which. Nobody knows. Oh, that's the thing when you first meet Genie and Pam. It's like, which one is Genie and which one's Pam? And then it takes a minute. And then you're like, oh, Genie's like the, Genie's the light. Like she's so nice. Genie's the super awesome one. We heard Genie was the mean one. Now it's funny because for the longest time, it was like, now which one is Genie and which one's which, Pam? I had you reverse and I'm, I have pickleball roll adex. As you know, you were like, one of the. If you have pickleball roll adex, funny. Yes. That's when somebody calls and it says like, Jackie with their own court. Yeah. Or whatever. I mean, I'm serious. Jessica, P.D., her husband is dumb. Listen, this is, okay, this is really important because Pam is obviously, she's got a sophisticated pickleball roll adex. Very sophisticated. She's made notes because it's all written down. Right when you're starting out with the pickleball roll adex. It's very much just Pam pickleball. Genie pickleball. Everybody's last name is pickleball. And then you grow it and you're like, oh man, that's important. They asked me to play, where did I meet them again? Yeah. And then now you're like husband is Ron, works at, you know. What are the key components to the roll adex? Like what do you have to put in there now that you meet somebody new? Like what goes into the roll adex? I put the place in that I met them. Where you met them? Well, like whether it was a tournament or like, you know, like you said, at our own court. Yeah, Jackie with their own court. They love that way. Yeah. All right. Finish this sentence, ladies. Pickleball is better when, dot, dot, dot. When you win, you know, how do you have fun? W-I-N. That's what our captain always says. How do you spell fun? W-I-N. Shout out to Ellen Carrian. Let's go Ellen. Okay. Another fun question. If you have one word to describe your partnership, what would it be? Hilarious? We're funny. Y'all are funny. So fun. Yeah, I mean, we have fun and raise a glass to that. Yeah. There is too hilarious. There are so hilarious, ladies. Thank you so much. Hopefully we did bring you down like into the dark book. We have a couple more questions. We can get AARP's out your shit. Yeah. Oh, 100%. They're already come rolling in. What time's the band for this, honey? Okay. Click. Quick little lightning round here. And we'll wrap this up. I like it. Who apologizes more after a bad shot? Jeannie or Pam? Oh, I don't know. I mean, we say sorry, but we usually say no sorry on the phone. Yeah, we always say that. You actually do say that to us even. Right. I'm like, sorry, sorry. Don't say no sorry to us. Yeah, it's like, I mean. We should have had her paddle up. You hit at me, so what? So, you know. Okay, sorry. Okay. Who gives more unsolicited advice? Pam. Would you agree, Pam? No, but it's good advice. I'm saying it's good. Pam is very good about saying, hey, here's what's happening. Here's what we need to do. We didn't move together. We didn't do this. She's very good at that. Very good at that. She's upset at her daughter, so I think that's good. You can see the landscape. Yeah, there you go. I do know a lot of stuff. What's the biggest lie in pickleball? Okay, no, I think the biggest lie in pickleball is how long you've been playing. Because everybody likes to say. Oh, that's a good one. Everybody literally likes to go. I just start, no, I've only been playing for two years. No, I've like, everybody's number is like, is way low. Yeah, Pam, I've only been playing for six months. Yeah, we just started. Nice to meet you. We just started last week. I mean, everybody is like, just started. I play tennis, but I don't play pickleball very often. I just picked up the paddle just the other day. And why do you think that is? Why do you think that is? I don't know. They want to seem better than you are. And so then we're supposed to be like, well, you're fabulous. And you just did that today? Fast. I mean, it's weird. Everybody's thing is so. I think that might be connected to the fact that you can realize your own potential and pickleball very, very fast. Like the first time you play the game. 100%. Right? I was really good. Yeah, we are really good until we played Susan Henderson and those ladies and they showed us that. But I agree with that. But that is kind of a thing. It's like that's encouraging for folks that are just starting out, right? Like they're kind of like, well, we'll try this thing that everyone's talking about. And then they go and they play and they're like, wow, pretty good. I could do this again. You know, and I think that's part of the attraction. So maybe it's a little bit tied to that in the sense of, you know, oh, I just started and look how good I am. Yeah. But everybody. We left the courts and went right to Academy and bought that little packet of two paddles and two balls for like $20. Oh, you don't go to Amalon? No, I went to Academy. I went something that day. Dude, she's like a good thing. I need to write a passage to get that like, the piano paddle. She goes through the dark road when, you know, tying doesn't matter, but, you know. Right. Need something now. Okay, so I always say my joke. Like, so when I first started playing, so I did. Don and I like had Amazon paddles. We had these balls, which then I realized were like indoor balls. Yes. And so I go play in this like, you know, whatever that thing, the open play. And like everyone's talking about their paddles and I'm gonna spend $150 on, I got home. I go, dumb, these people are freaking nuts, man. You're just spending $150 on a paddle. Are you insane? Yes, I am. Yes, I am right there with you. But at the time I was like, my Amazon paddle is so good. Yeah. My paddle are you playing with now? I am now Revlon. Revlon, like shout out to Todd Storch. Yeah, Todd Storch. Yeah, Todd Storch loves the Revlon. Are you also? Yola. Or you're north, we're Yola. Yeah. Shout out Yola, you should sponsor this podcast. All right, Yola. What is the next, what's the future look like for you, ladies? With the sport. Next 10 years. I don't know, we never have been big tournament players. We never have really found that to be a super fun. But you'll win out to the masters, right? Yeah, we like a destination tournament. We don't like playing tournaments. And somehow we managed to eke out always something. We get super. Somehow we managed to do it. From whatever. Doesn't matter what it is. No, these ladies are podium. I mean, you're on a podium. We do get the podium. We don't know how we do it, but somehow we do it. You know how you do it. No, but it's not a fun way. The third shot drops your work and I would rather meet you guys at 10 o'clock and play till noon than sit out there. Then play in the terminal. From now into four. I don't think we have jobs. Yeah. I don't know, I think the future is just we keep doing this and like we're enjoying it. I mean. Why not? So here's, I mean, I think there's something to be said for people that are 61 and 64 that are still out there kicking ass, having fun, taking names, making people cry in the court. I think there's something to be said for that. I think there's lots of them. Amen. Let's cheers to that right here. They are done here, but that's good. Yeah, cheers. Y'all have been awesome. Thank you for reminding us all seriously. Like this is, I mean, we want to be a genie in Pam. Yes, we did. Who wouldn't want to? What would you want to be? That's the attitude. She means in 30 years. No, seriously, this is like, I mean, you are the epitome of connection, community, and not taking yourself too seriously. No, it's having fun, loving for the fun. It means being competitive in your 60s. That's incredible. And I love my girl. And they wouldn't love us. That's so cool. Jumping on the podium at 61 and 64. Yeah, I'm like, let's go. As long as there's an age, can I go? Yeah, as long as there's an age limit. Well, y'all are the best. This has been so fun. Been so fun. Thank you guys so much. Well, cheers, y'all. Thank you. You guys were awesome. This was fun. Cheers. And that's a wrap on this episode of Dinks on Tap. Thanks for listening. And if you like the pod, leave us a review and share it with your favorite dinking buddy. After all, Pickleball's more fun with friends, both on and off the court.