Summary
In this episode of 'I've Had It,' hosts Jennifer Welch and Angie 'Pumps' Sullivan discuss grievances ranging from tech privacy issues with Apple Pay and Zillow to their dog's discriminatory behavior toward German Shepherds. They also cover news stories including identical twins paternity cases, sperm racing competitions, and a Reddit thread featuring a Trump-supporting woman dating a liberal man, interspersed with listener voice memos and reviews.
Insights
- Tech companies exploit user data through email address sharing without explicit consent, creating privacy violations that frustrate users despite multiple unsubscribe attempts
- Conservative media ecosystems are built on fear-based messaging that disproportionately affects viewers' worldviews and political choices, even among those with minimal real-world exposure to the issues
- The 'lesser of two evils' voting argument is a rhetorical tell that reveals moral compromise rather than principled decision-making
- Evangelical Christian communities in the Bible Belt demonstrate patterns of performative morality combined with actual cruelty, judgment, and hypocrisy that goes unexamined within those circles
- Recommendation culture that requires suffering through poor initial content to reach quality later is fundamentally flawed and reflects gaslighting rather than genuine quality
Trends
Growing consumer frustration with data privacy violations by major tech platforms despite regulatory frameworksFear-based political messaging as primary driver of conservative voter behavior and worldview formationPerformative religiosity in commercial spaces (Christian gyms, faith-based businesses) as marketing strategy masking institutional dysfunctionDeclining trust in traditional media recommendations and shift toward immediate gratification expectations in entertainment consumptionIncreasing visibility of political polarization in intimate relationships and dating dynamicsEvangelical Christianity's integration with right-wing political movements and media consumption patternsPublic discourse around reproductive technology and fertility as political/cultural battlegroundSocial media amplification of group cruelty and judgment within insular communities
Topics
Apple Pay privacy violations and email data sharingZillow unsubscribe functionality and corporate data exploitationIdentical twins paternity testing and legal custody implicationsSperm racing competitions and fertility crisis narrativesTrump supporter dating liberal partner political dynamicsConservative media fear-based messaging and psychologyEvangelical Christian gym culture and institutional hypocrisyDog breed discrimination and animal behaviorTV show recommendation culture and delayed gratificationWhite women and performative allyship in progressive spacesBible Belt Christian community structures and social controlAuthoritarian parenting and political ideology correlationPublic masturbation and reproductive technology ethicsPolitical polarization in dating and relationshipsCorporate unsubscribe processes and user consent
Companies
Apple
Apple Pay criticized for sharing user's real email address with merchants despite using separate account for orders
Zillow
Real estate platform heavily criticized for ignoring unsubscribe requests and continuing to email users after multipl...
Fox News
Conservative news network discussed as primary driver of fear-based political messaging and worldview formation among...
Reddit
Social media platform where Trump-supporting woman posted AMA about dating liberal boyfriend, generating critical res...
Daily Mail
News outlet reporting on world's first sperm racing competition and fertility crisis narrative
Heritage Foundation
Conservative organization mentioned as coordinating force behind right-wing political organizing and policy
NPR
Public radio network where hosts previously appeared to discuss topics including dog behavior
People
Jennifer Welch
Co-host of the podcast; author of forthcoming book 'Not Today Fascists' about fascism
Angie 'Pumps' Sullivan
Co-host of the podcast; co-author of 'Life is a Lazy Susan Sandwiches' memoir
Kylie
Podcast producer who reads listener reviews and voice memos on air
Josh
Podcast producer mentioned in listener reviews as 'top 10 favorite white men'
Ryan
Gay male producer of the podcast who reacts to content
Dr. Lori LeVette
Oklahoma dentist who emailed podcast to thank hosts for shout-out; Kylie plans to visit
Elon Musk
Mentioned as obsessed with breeding and promoting fertility narratives
Katie Miller
Trump administration official criticized for promoting fertility and teen pregnancy narratives
Stephen Miller
Trump advisor used as example of how fastest sperm doesn't guarantee positive outcomes
Shane Fan
Co-founder of sperm racing competition who spoke to Daily Mail about event
Vanessa
Progressive activist friend in Oklahoma City praised for calling out racism and homophobia without hesitation
Bernie Sanders
Liberal politician supported by Reddit AMA poster's boyfriend
Donald Trump
Central figure in political discussions throughout episode regarding voter support and policy
Kamala Harris
Democratic candidate discussed in context of Trump supporter's voting rationale
Quotes
"I've had it that they're giving my real email address. I completely agree with this. You know, my long storied battle with email terrorism."
Angie 'Pumps' Sullivan•Early in episode
"Zillow fucking sucks. Everything about Zillow sucks from top to bottom."
Jennifer Welch•Early segment
"The driving ethos behind MAGA is fear everything through that whole thing is she's scared scared scared scared scared of liberals."
Jennifer Welch•Political discussion segment
"I think there is an enjoyment of cruelty among the people there is an enjoyment of of there is an enjoyment of the feeling of being cruel that we are better and we get to diminish these gays."
Jennifer Welch•Evangelical Christianity discussion
"I don't want to get to know her okay so I've just had it with that and I'd love to hear what you guys think."
Jake (voice memo)•Voice memo segment
Full Transcript
So we supposed to start the podcast. Ready? One, two, three. Patriots, K-trets, Thay-trets, Black-trets, Brown-trets. We love you and all of the triple trumpers can do what, Pumps? Fuck off! Pumps, what have you had it with? Okay, what I've had it with, I'm gonna land the plane, I promise. So I've always had a separate email for orders. Like if I order something, it doesn't come to my main email box. So since the last phone update, I've noticed the things I buy are coming to my main email box. Like how is this happening? How do they even have my email? Well, what I finally figured out is somehow Apple Pay, which is connected to my fake email account, has my real email account. So now I'm getting all these order confirmations and updates and oh my gosh, we have a new sale in my real email box. So that's a long way of saying as much as I love Apple Pay, I've had it that they're giving my real email address. I completely agree with this. You know, my long storied battle with email terrorism. I mean, it's just something that I battle all day, every day. I had so many emails in one of my email accounts that I had to go delete emails to make room in my mailbox because I just think it's really a grotesque sense of entitlement that somebody thinks because you buy something from them that they can have your information and then email you without consent. I just, it really bothers me. And here's one that just gets me more than anything. It's the company Zillow. Zillow fucking sucks. Everything about Zillow sucks from top to bottom. A friend recently, I've gone in there multiple times, unsubscribe, unsubscribe from all communications. I want nothing to do with you. Fuck off and die is how basically, I mean, it's been multiple, multiple, multiple times. So a friend of mine that's moved into LA just recently sent me her Zillow listing and we're going to make an offer on this house. So immediately enthusiastically, I click it and I'm going through it. Zillow somehow knows you're back, that I have done this. And now they're emailing me again and I'm clicking unsubscribe. And then it takes me to landing page to log in to change my settings. And I'm like, I don't have a log in anymore. I broke up. I broke all the way up. I mean, I beyond broke back mountain broke up with you. It's beyond the biggest breakup imaginable. And they, and I don't know what to do about it. If we had a Congress that cared more about things like this and corporate exploitation, I would call my congressman. But clearly they're too busy glazing Trump all the time in order to do anything. You think in little grinder, little Moses, my grinder gives a shit. No, I don't think he does. I mean, he'll shut the government down before he'll let Trump get embarrassed. Yeah. All right. So let me tell you what I've had it with. I spoke to you with you about this the other day when we were on NPR, but I want to share it with our listeners. So everybody knows that my dogs, of course, are my entire world. That goes without saying, but we live in New York together, three of us, and we do a lot of things together. And I enjoy taking them on walks every single day. I enjoy taking them to the dog park. And little Cha Cha and her disdain for German shepherds is full blown escalated. I first of all didn't realize how many German shepherds there were on the streets of New York, but they're quite, quite a few. But we can walk by an Australian shepherd. We can walk by any sort of doodle because we all know there's like so many doodles because poodles are getting laid more than anybody else on the planet. And then we have, you know, we could pass by a mutt, a pit bull, a Doberman, a little weenie dog. There's weenie dogs everywhere in New York. I mean, weenie dogs have made a huge comeback. She could give two shits about any of that. But if she sees a German shepherd, she goes crazy. She just goes fucking crazy. And I mean, I see it a block down. So I just start getting the leash. And even like Tubby knows, like, Oh God, she's going to lose her mind because he starts kind of like bat at her, like, don't do it. He's trying to control her. And then I'm just thinking in my mind, I mean, like, it just happened yesterday. And I just looked at her to go, talk to her like these dogs have jobs for cops, like these dogs are cops. These dogs are in the military. These dogs are incredibly smart. They're trained to take down human beings in your little French bulldog, fat ass things that you're going to take on a German shepherd. It's unbelievable how racist she is towards Germans. I just think what's so weird about it is the discernment. Like all other dogs are fine, but she's fixated on that. Like, I, it makes me think, did she have an issue with one at dog school? I think it's historical. I think it's historical. I think in this time where we are living through the uprising of fascism, I think her French roots are there, you know, passionately. And she's like, I'm not surrendering, mother. Not again. Not again. I'm not doing it again. There will be no surrender on my watch. I am Cha-Cha Welch, and I will not surrender. That's what I think it is. Because it's, it's, it's like, it's, it's deeply embedded. It's so psychotic. The other day I saw a German shepherd coming down. I was like, I'm just going to cross the street to get to the other side of the street and walk down the other side because she's so psychotic. And then, you know, of course, you know, like I got this, they're at the doggy daycare and I can log in and watch them. And that little twat will only play with other Frenchies. That's crazy. Frenchies love Frenchies. I was going to tell you, I particularly loved your Instagram post. We're at the dog park and you're sitting on a bench and your dogs like could not put a piece of paper between you and the dogs at the dog park on the bench. We go to the dog park and we all take a seat together. We watch the K-9s play. It's a family outing. But I used to be able to take him because there's a 30 pound, there's a, there's a, at the dog park that we go to, there's a small dog park for little dogs and it's 30 pounds or under. And then right next door to it is the big dog park, which is 30 pounds and over. And I hadn't been back to the big dog park since I was attacked by that black lab that dismantled the hood on my jacket in the middle of a blizzard, but that's okay. So we were, I thought, I'm going to take him to the big dog park. Maybe they don't like these little dogs and that's why they're sitting on the bench next to me. But as I approached the gate, there were two German shepherds in there and I was just like, I'm not doing this. But you know what's crazy about the whole German? There we are. There we are at the dog park. You know what's crazy about the whole German shepherd thing? When she goes after them, they cow her down. They push out. Yes. That surprises me. Me too. Cause I'm like, you guys are like badasses. Yeah. You're cops. You're like K-9s. Natural disaster. They're drug busters. You know, they're like, you know, send them on a cartel house and they go in horrible conditions. Yeah, but they're scared of Chacha and she knows it too. She's such a little twat. It's unbelievable. I was talking to her about it this morning before I came in. She said, we've got to stop this, Chacha. I was like, listen, you've got to, I want to start going back to the big side. We're going to have to deal with this German issue. No disrespect to any German listeners, but my dog is not into it. All right. Welcome to I've had it. America's Top DEI podcast. I'm Jennifer. I'm Angie. Let's check in with Kylie and hear some reviews. Hi. First, I do feel like I need to make an announcement. I pick up my dog's poop now. That was like right when I moved here. I didn't have, it's like affecting my real life. These people. Really? Good. I get. So, shaming works. It does work. Excellent. Yeah. I think when my neighbors listens and she eyeballs me as I walk my dog. And I pick it up now. You got to. It's you can't not pick up your dog's shit. I think people that don't pick up their dog's shit shouldn't have dogs. We just, we moved here without a poop bag, okay? Without a thing. So, I had to order one. That's a pr- I mean, come on. It was a small lapse that I admitted to the world. Yeah, because there aren't stores everywhere, all over Manhattan. No, I had to get online. Yeah. You had to get it online. I had to order it online. It took time. Right. It had shipping. Because you're not in the biggest capitalist fuckfest in America. No, I couldn't find one here. They were completely out. And also, you remember I was telling you guys about my dentist? Yeah, you have a crush on me. You want a hot dentist? I got an email out of the blue from Dr. Lori LeVette. It said, Kylie, thank you for the shout out in the podcast. I appreciate your kind words, which is just that I thought she was hot. And we miss you on another note. And to address pumps grievance, we've all had it with the lack of sound evolution in the dental office. But Jen is right. There's just nothing we can do about it. Love you guys. Dr. Lori. Did that make your heart hitter powder a little bit? I bet it did. I plan to go see her soon. You're going to fly Oklahoma. I'm flying home here. You're going to go home to see the dentist? I think I'm going to make time in between friends and family in my three days there to see Dr. Lori LeVette. I like that. Wow. Yeah. Wow. How nice of Dr. Lori to reach out. Yeah. It was really nice of her to say that Senate's Jennifer is right. That's your favorite sentence. That's the only thing she got out of it. Just laser focused on that. All right. I've got some reviews. This one is, it's nice to be able to trust white women. I love this podcast. I was a little weary at first because, you know, white women, but they proved to be some of the best white women out there. Angie is my baby girl and I love the way Jennifer does not play with anybody. And shout out to Josh. He quickly became top 10 of my favorite white men easily. How nice. That's so nice. But I, this, this hesitant, this hesitation that people of color would have with white women is so deserved. It is so deserved because white women can, to your face, act like, oh no, I'm an ally and all this shit and will rat fuck you every chance you can get. And white women, at least the ones in the circles that I was around, not my personal friends, they're phenomenal, but have a tendency to go out of their way, to vote, to rat fuck as many people as possible with pride. Yeah. Just complete entitlement, the ability to, what I found, and this is based on who I was, so I may be projecting, but if it doesn't affect me personally, then I don't have to give a shit about it. It doesn't matter because I'm above it. And I think that is so terribly upsetting. I mean, it's cause of great shame for me. And I see it all the time. Yeah. And I just think that there's a bigger message that we have to all call out racism when we see it. I think racist apologists that know, I think that's the most insidious thing there is. And there's just, at least in Oklahoma, there's just so much of it. It's just overwhelming sometimes how racist people can be, parents can be towards kids of color. It's just, it's really, it's really gross. And it is just completely like boiling right now, I think. Okay. Then the next review I've got is titled Nipple Hanger, Five Stars. Ronda Fonda writes, I want to see pumps with that hanger on one of her sagging dragons. Big Titty Brian would be so jealous. As the 61 year old blue spec in a Bible Belt Mississippi, I love your podcast. I'm so old. I look at you too as my long lost nieces. We never had kids by choice. And I'm so proud of both of you for telling it like it is. I love Ronda. That's so sweet. I long felt that blue dots and red states are the best progressives in the entire country. I mean, it's just, those are the fiercest fighters the Democratic Party has. And the Democratic Party abandoned stupidly a 50 state strategy. And you could have some of the most organized, fierce, I mean, people that just get in that ass. I mean, the people that I know that are blue dots and red states and have been that way, they are the ones who would call out racism, who call out homophobia, who get in that ass. I used to get in pumps ass all the time. I mean, 25 years ago, stuff would come out of her mouth or her friend's mouth. And I was right there parked going, what the actual fuck is going on here? And that, that makes change confronting people about their racism, confronting people about bigotry, confronting people about homophobia or supporting systems of homophobia. I mean, I was relentless with you, wasn't I, Pumps? Yes, but I'm glad you were because it take, you know, if you don't see it, because that's all you know, you never think about it. And so it takes somebody calling you out for you to think about it. And it just over time, you have, it changes how you think and it changes your world view and your perspective in a way that for me, I feel like it made me such a much better person and so much happier. Just so much. Yeah. All right, Jen, you want to do some news stories? All right, let me lead into these news stories. Okay, this is really juicy. Pop this up. A woman who became pregnant after having sex with identical twins told it's not possible to identify father of the baby. And here's some more on the story. A woman who became pregnant after having sex with identical twins was told by a court in London that it's not possible to identify the father. The mother of the baby had sex with the two men within four days of one another. While DNA testing establishes that the child's biological father is one of these twins, it is not possible to say which one of them it is a judge says. One twin had already been listed on the birth certificate giving him default parental responsibility. The UK court of appeals threw that out not because he was proven not to be the father, but because nobody could prove he is the father. The court rules that basing parental rights on an unprovable fact is harmful to the child. Both twins parental rights effectively reset to zero, leaving everyone in legal limbo. Before we get into the the ruling or whatever, I want to get more to the salacious details. Did she know that she was doing each twin or did they like if they looked just like oh or do you mean it was like a love boat thing where they were saying no no no we're yeah where the twin was like I I'm Jimmy and then it's Johnny goes back four days later and he fakes like he's his brother to get laid. He impersonates his brother. Wouldn't that have come out though in the court because she why did you put Jimmy on the birth certificate? Well I had I mean why would it even be wouldn't that be irrelevant? But I mean if she thought if he told her he was Jimmy and it was really John. But wouldn't that be irrelevant as to paternity? Oh yeah and here's a but I'm surely it would have come out that they like. Maybe it I mean maybe it has that's why I was just saying I have a lot of questions about. But you know what pisses me off about that is we know that one of the two is the father and now this woman is not going to be able to enforce like a child's court order because they're both saying well it's not me so and I do know you know paternity tests are like 99 so there is that room for I I just find this so fascinating that there's no way to prove which twin it is. But that's how geneticists you know they study identical twins to figure out of things or nature versus nurture. And so you know twins that were separated back it's really fascinating I watched some documentaries on it and read a lot about it that were separated back like in the 50s and an orphanage and one family adopts one one adopts others. So these journalists go back and then they find the twins and reunite them. But before they reunite them they you know ask like what's your favorite toothpaste what's your favorite this what's your favorite that. And some of the similarities in the identical twins were crazy. There were these old two old guys and they used like the same rare off brand toothpaste. They held their pencil in a weird way and they never ever ever ever been around each other except for in utero. That's it. And so that's why the that's why this is so fascinating because they basically have identical DNA identical. Yeah now this I would love I wonder how this whole thing is going to turn out. Interesting. All right moving along. We have America is turning to sperm racing. The answer to America's fertility crisis sperm racing competitions the Daily Mail tweet about sperm racing competition amid America's fertility crisis. Pop this up. World's first sperm Olympics men from over 100 countries are racing their swimmers for $100,000 amid America's fertility crisis. And Katie Miller will obviously be glued to the screen for this because she's all about the breeding. The co-founder Shane Fan told the Daily Mail that more than 10,000 men have already applied to compete including hopefuls from the U.S. Iran Israel and even North Korea. This to me is insane. Number one the fertility crisis I'm just calling bullshit on. This is a right wing narrative that they want everybody to breed. Elon Musk is obsessed with breeding. Katie Miller is obsessed with breeding because clearly she's miserable and misery loves companies. She's currently carrying Stephen Miller's I don't know if it's her second or third kid with him. Fourth my god. What an idiot. What a fucking idiot. I mean clearly the dumbest woman on the but that's why she's saying I want I want teen pregnancies back up because she wants every motherfucker to be as miserable as she is. Yeah well she had a baby at 28 like her first baby was at 28 so like please you're an expert in teen pregnancy. Why? Okay here when I when you pop that up I just thought our men so fragile their egos are so fragile. They want to show how cool they are not just with the big truck and a big loud boat and truck nuts off the back or you know nuts off the back of their truck. Now they want to say I won the world's fastest sperm contest. Like that's how desperate we are to prove what big guys we are. I mean that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's ridiculous. All right and here's some reporting from the Daily Mail article. Applicants are now being assessed in a bid to find the healthiest man from each nation before the tournament begins in May. We are aiming to find the healthiest person possible for each country to compete. There is a lot of work that goes into maintaining a healthy body. The selected field will eventually be narrowed to 128 competitors with one entrant representing each nation. Organizers say the tournament format will mirror mainstream sporting events with knockout rounds and head-to-head matchups until one overall winner remains. And here's what I have to say. It's and I'll just have to research this. Is the fastest swimmer I mean I mean obviously you see like Stephen Miller in his dad's when his dad shot that one. Stephen Miller was the fastest sperm and look at him. He is a scrawny unattractive sociopath that needs to be in a padded cell in a straight jacket. So why the fastest swimmer can produce some really bad genetically flawed people. I mean I don't even think Stephen Miller has any muscle tone at all. I mean I think it's just a complete straight pink arm bone skin. And so I mean this is just like even the science behind it if we knew like the fastest swimmer produced like these you know D1 athletes that were just you know so good looking and look good sitting in the barrel of a loaded shotgun. I'd be like all right let's giddy up let's get these fast swimmers but every person around represents the fastest swimmer. So it's really not that unique. That's how that's how we all got here. Okay so what I'm thinking when I'm when you're reading that I'm like so they're gonna have like a play by play. Are they gonna play are we gonna do like here he goes he's beating off here he goes here he goes okay the swimmer's out the swimmer's out like this whole thing just so you think they're gonna be masturbating in public. That's where your head went. Yes you think you're going to masturbation contest. People are watching the masturbate because doesn't the sperm have to be like fresh like the fresher it is the faster it is. I don't know that this is going to be a public country by country masturbation. I thought that perhaps this would probably be you beat off in a cup and then the scientists you know do the do the in vitro type situation and release them that was my thing but my head's not in the gutter like yours is all the time. My head is all the way. Kylie do you know is this going to be public masturbation? I'm pretty sure. People are going to have microscopes watching the sperm go have to play. I'm pretty sure there's zero masturbation involved. Well there would have to be masturbation. Like a point. Public masturbation for pumps. Well that's disappointing. Yeah it's in a cup. Ryan just licked it up it's in a cup. That means they're not the fastest. Well I think what they're talking about is they're in a cup and then it's like the whole in vitro process and then they freeze them and then they send them off to go find the egg that's the thing but my point is I doubt Stephen Miller was an in vitro baby and he's just a prime example that he was his dad's fastest swimmer that day. Stephen Miller. Stephen Miller was somebody's fastest swimmer so I don't know that if you win this you win. I think you could win and lose because in the case of the swimmers that swam on that fateful night between the two millers the worst swimmer won. He might have been a little faster but my god what a horrific specimen non specimen of a mangled just horrible human being and of course he finds his equal in his soulmate in Katie Miller. He's absolute equal in being vile. Yeah all right that's so disturbing. All right a mac and woman decides to go on reddit and let's pop this up. A Trump supporter with a liberal boyfriend said ask me anything and the internet did not hold back. She posts I'm a Trump supporter and my boyfriend is Trump hate and liberal. Ask me anything. When I say Trump supporter I mean I think he's the least bad option. I voted for him because I'd consider him to be less harmful to the country than the Democrats. I consider myself a centrist politically. My boyfriend is a liberal and he supports Bernie Sanders and hate Trump. He actually said that when we first started dating he thought I was a neo-nazi but I cleared that up but I cleared up that little misunderstanding. We first met in class and became friends then he asked me out and we started dating. I didn't know his political ideology at first and assumed he was conservative because he was blonde and look liberal. That's not Nazi Aryan at all. That's not a tell as to why you're a tremble you fucking Nazi. And at the time I had a fear of liberals because I'm a Nazi who only thinks blonde people are conservative. We sometimes debate about politics and we usually agree to disagree although he hates Trump himself he isn't insane and still views Trump supporters as human. He also thinks the only reason I like Trump is because I was indoctrinated by Fox since I watched it a lot as a kid. Please be respectful. If you aren't interested in having a civil or productive discussion then feel free to skip this post. So of course we have to dive right into the comments which did not disappoint at all. Western mall says was it because Harris was a woman or because she wasn't white was the reason you couldn't vote for her. And then Eastern cow says why do you have so much hate do you think brown skin is bad and then J.R.R.92 says what's it like to be so misguided and hateful that you listen to the things that come out of Trump's mouth and see a strong leader. All right so here was a specific question is that what this is Kylie. Okay so then somebody asks her what do you mean because he was blonde he didn't quote look liberal and they drew a picture of a blonde person with blue eyes and did an arrow that says automatically conservative apparently. And she answers it at the time I thought I'd be able to tell if someone was liberal by how crazy they look like dyed hair piercings etc. And then another question has your fear of liberals reduced. I find it interesting that you consider yourself a centrist but have a fear of liberals. I wasn't a centrist at the time I was raised in a conservative political not religious household and I was mostly a loner during my childhood in elementary school I once said Obama sucks and I got bullied for it so I wasn't a fan of democrats in high school I was a loner and the only social interaction I had was when I watched TV with my parents we often watched Fox News and I'd also watch conservative youtubers I developed a fear of liberals and democrats because they are always portrayed as unstable and violent. So here's what I have to say about this the driving ethos behind MAGA is fear everything through that whole thing is she's scared scared scared scared scared of liberals I'm not really scared of conservatives remotely because they're all puss boys like it's just like they're these people musk trump vance uh moses mike grinder johnson lindsey graham with his bubble wand I mean these guys are just not even remotely scary now when they organize behind the heritage foundation or money with peter tilt that's the scary shit but all of the whole right wing media ecosystem it's just all built on fear and psychologists have studied it conservatives are more fear based they get they get scared easier there's a part of their brain that activates to fear and these people are scared they're scaredy cats yeah I just want to say before I have any other comment I think that you have the best voiceovers which we've discussed like I used to love a dramatic ring but the way you can like do your accents and stuff I find it very impressive jennifer I really thank you thanks thank you I appreciate the support my god I just learned of the skill that you have and I just want to say I I enjoy it a lot it's great now that you're liberal and I don't have to uh browbeat you for holding republican christian patriarchal racist homophobic views now we can share other parts of our personalities with each other it's been dormant didn't have the time to spin it you know here's the thing to the fear point like my mother sits and watches fox news if I say I'm going to New York she's worried about crime she is I know what's playing on fox news because of the crime it's always crime you know during the election it's crime immigrants from the border crime crime crime and this is a person that never once in her life has been affected by crime other than like a speeding ticket but she sits and fears crime so I think there's something to the fear there's a psychological reason for that yeah and she's super authoritarian and authoritarian personalities gravitate towards this type of regime too like authoritarian parenting she's an authoritarian personality and then the the fear through line is like the a bunch of psychology years long decades long study and I've read it before I'm not complete I know what it boiled down to was this was basically they hooked up uh conservatives liberals and conservatives are more triggered by fear yeah I see that I see that firsthand and then here's the thing this is what I've had it with this should always be my overarching hat I've had it with the they were both bad so I just chose one that just tells me you're not you don't give a fuck and you're just going with your you know your underlying bigotry and stuff like that because if you paid any attention or you even gave it a light goog you would find out that they're not both bad they're I mean I'm not saying they're both perfect like either side is without fault but they're not the same in terms of they're both bad and then I was just one other thing is like it doesn't surprise me that this person was a loner and she reached out you know what I mean like you see a lot of the right wing they're isolated they don't have a community they're loners um but there's a lot of right wingers that have communities I mean no I know but I'm just saying you like you just hear it a lot that they're online because they don't but I mean you also have I don't know that that I don't know that that is a Republican or Democrat thing as much as that is an American thing right now I think you're gonna find just as many lonely left-leaning liberals I mean I see hordes in Oklahoma hordes of people that are not isolated the groups of racist homophobic assholes groups of them where you sent your kids to school there was a whole stadium full of these right wing Christian homophobe racist all grouped together and I mean Josh I'd be like oh god I fucking hate these people I mean you could just feel it you could feel the racism and the homophobia jump off of them and they were organized and social and all of these things I think to the point about um uh both sides or I voted for the lesser of two evils is such a lazy argument and also a tell because in that tell they're saying I know that Trump is bad and so then they pull out a lazy argument of the false equivalency and trying to equate either Hillary or Joe Biden or Kamala Harris is somehow an equivalent to Trump and they're clearly not so that to me is one of the the bigger tells of you know you're voting immorally when somebody says oh I voted for the lesser of two evils it's a tell that you know you're voting for the most evil person yeah that's what I think no I agree with that okay let's um listen to voice memos okay up first we've got Jake hi ladies big fan here um I just need to get this off my chest I have absolutely had it with people who will recommend you tv shows and say you know you just need to get through the first few seasons and then it gets really good okay so what I'm hearing is you want me to suffer okay like you want me to just suffer through absolute shit for I don't know 12 16 20 24 hours of my life just to get to a morsel of goodness I don't understand that okay and I understand delayed gratification but not for tv tv is a chance for me to escape this hellhole of a country okay I don't need to be messing around with shit when I've just been experiencing shit on the news all day long it's like when you're meeting a friend of a friend and they're like you know my friend can be kind of a bitch and standoffish and narcissistic and blah blah blah but she's really fun once you get to know her it's like I don't want to get to know her okay so I've just had it with that and I'd love to hear what you guys think that is so good that's one of the better grievances of her in a long time what you get to know her I want to get to know her it's so true it's kind of like like this tastes terrible taste it but the movie do you smell does anybody smell that I will go right into somebody's armpit or like that smells terrible I can't get my nose in it quick enough the television show thing is so true so I say that there has to be a three episode limit to hook you if it gets beyond the initial three episodes and you have to get into three seasons it should have been canceled like that it it's not that it's good it's that you've committed to it so much that you've been gaslit by the series and bought into the propaganda that this series is good and I think he's spot on with that and also about the people uh that's something when I hear people say that now like oh my friend can be all of these ways but you'll get to know you're like I'm like I really don't want to right after that but also I want to say this like one of my favorite people on the planet my friend Vanessa if I introduced her to anybody and Vanessa this is a big shout out to you she'll she'll text me and say thank you for introducing me that way in your podcast I would say listen I'm going to introduce you to my friend Vanessa and she is a five star kind unapologetically she does not fuck around she doesn't really like human beings but she likes me and she likes the people in her lives and she will pick up a mountain and move it for the people in her lives but if you triple trumped if you're you know in any way look at her weird she will have no use for you and will discard you like nobody's business like she told me once she was like you know if somebody fucked with fucked with me I could just push them right in front of a train and go home and bake cookies for my kids and my heart rate wouldn't go up and I thought oh my god I am in love and so I have introduced Vanessa that way but I'll tell you what I like people like that because here's what I like about Vanessa Vanessa is a bully slayer yeah and in Oklahoma City she and I both progressive and if people said homophobic stuff engaged in homophobic activity racist shit engaged in racist shit she gets in that ass and fucking calls it out unapologetically and you're off her list there's no patty cake and oh we're gonna be friends you're fucking done you're over you're disqualified she has no time for that I think she's an absolute role model in that regard yeah she she's fantastic I really like her and I like how I mean it she reminds me of you in a lot of ways like her heartbeat doesn't go up like she will see it she will call it out she doesn't get sweaty armpits it's just like boom it's just a default setting yeah everybody's terrified of her I kind of was terrified of her at first yeah you should be and I love her yeah no and she loves that too like she she I'll be like hey my friends are scared of you Vanessa she goes good and she's hilarious she's loved once you get to know her like I tell her all the time she'll say something like you're the biggest fucking kind she's like I know thank you no she's great so there is something to that sometimes I kind of like a a friend that I just I don't like superficial shit I don't like I hate superficial friendships I'm just not into that rather be a friend with somebody who's bitchy but real than superficial yeah okay up next we've got grace Jen pumps Kylie whatever the straight men producers names are I have a story for you Jen I was obsessed hearing you talk about the gyros, pause pause pause, Seth is straight Ryan is gay Ryan over there he said straight man and he just like threw his hand up in the air oh god he's like not me there was a poke all right sorry start that completely over Kylie I was obsessed hearing you talk about the gyrator and the gym guy and I have a grievance it's perfect for you because it combines your two least favorite things which is gym people and religion and gym drama you said you wanted to hear or watch a show about a reality show about gym drama so I used to in Oklahoma City go to a Christian gym it was a Christian based gym and it was led by the most roided up alpha self-proclaimed alpha male in the world it was a Christian gym and we all had to pray before and after the workout Jesus Christ the drama at this gym this man ended up to you know take a long story make it short having an affair with one of the gym members wives of course and like confessed and then him and his business partner that owned the gym together broke up and one started another gym anyways Christian sexual praying at the gym a fair combo it just had Jennifer Welch and Angie pumps written all over it because I know that's combining your two favorite things mind you he was friends with this this man and that went to his gym anyways love you guys uh hope you hope you love that one bye I eat that shit up here's what here's what people that don't live in the bible belt need to understand about what fucking goes on in the bible belt Christian gyms yeah or adults go to the gym and pray before a workout workout and pray after a workout it is fucking crazy it is a cult it is psychotic and there is this notion among the evangelicals that you can't even criticize that that that there was there would be this well I mean that's not for me but I mean you know they're just doing it you know it's just kind of a god thing they're just doing it for god there's always this excuse for this insane shit everywhere you turn this is why I love Vanessa Vanessa would go that is so fucked up what a cult I mean just boom she would just cut it down straight but it surprises me zero that at the Christian gym we have a ferris going on because 100% of the people that I know that are mega churches are 100% the most screwed up people I know and in the thing about the mega church mentality is they think nobody can criticize them can you imagine arrogance of going about your day in your life and thinking nobody can criticize your church that is literally a you know like pay to pray scheme it's just it is it is a rot white evangelical mega church culture is a rot now they have these gyms which is a total fucking racket of course everybody slap and tickling the gym it's just it's I went into this basket robins in Oklahoma once which was a chain and there was Christian music playing completely ruined my entire fucking ice cream experience I didn't buy any at all I laughed in it in a tizzy because I'm just like can't I go anywhere in Oklahoma without hearing praise music and if the music were good maybe I wouldn't bit it but it's every song sounds the exact exact same so I go in there it's this fucking praise music I'm so mad about it so I leave and then I call the 1 800 number to basket robins to complain didn't even care yes but I just wanted to be like this why I want to go to get ice cream why do I have to try why does everybody trying to save everybody all the time it's always the most fucked up people that are trying to save you it's the most judgmental racist homophobic like the most like okay here's an example Erica Kirk she's trying to save everybody make heaven crowded again and she's having these big praise I mean her husband's funeral was a big praise fest it's weird right what about her and her faith is attractive it the arrogance that these people it doesn't ever occur to them like oh this really isn't that marketable it never hits them about how unmarketable their behavior is like when I was around as a young adult or in Christian circles these women were so ugly they said the ugliest things about other people they were the most judgmental and then thought they were better than me because I didn't go to church and I'd be like bitch please you have just said here it ripped through the most shallow vapid mean cruel shit on the planet and you think you're marketable that your lifestyle is marketable it's there's a level of arrogance and psychosis in that that is just unmatched completely unmatched well I mean I I was that person so I would say it comes from the the entitlement and the righteousness that you think you're so right like I think it's more than that though Poms you always say that but I think there is an enjoyment of cruelty among the people there is an enjoyment of of there is an enjoyment of the feeling of being cruel that we are better and we get to diminish these gays and we get to diminish somebody who's unattractive and there's an appetite the people that I see do this where you can see they're salivating over it they like it they like punching down they like criticizing appearances they like criticizing skin color there is an enjoyment to it it's not just entitlement it's deeper than that there is you keep doing something over and over again because it feeds an award system in the brain they are getting rewarded they like it there is a feasting on this that is enjoyable to them the righteousness of it I would say the cruelty of it pardon the cruelty of it the cruel well I mean it's all it all manifests the same way it's because it's cruel behavior yeah you you think that you're entitled to do it because you're like devout it it's fucked up well and that goes outside of outside of religion the entitlement is something I don't think that is is exclusive to religion I think what's more interesting about the evangelicals that I know is the enjoyment of cruelty how much they enjoy it they enjoy Fox News if you just watch it it's incredibly cruel programming and every mega church or I know in Oklahoma City watches Fox News there's an enjoyment in watching them demean people when our kids were younger and I would have to hang out with you and your Bible study friends I mean I would leave and I would be like oh my god these women are just mean just mean mean absolutely mean stuff about little kids that weren't theirs like oh that girl's fuggly or like that she's such a cute mom but god her daughter is a DOG like really mean shit and there was an enjoyment a commiserating about it and then I would leave and then I would go hang out with my gay friends and I'd be like god these fucking women I have to be in these mom groups now and they're just fucking mean mean and they enjoyed it there was an enjoyment of the cruelty of it it's for me it's off of each other for me that was more pronounced than the entitlement the enjoyment of cruelty but I think defeating off each other it just gets worse and worse like in a group that's around each other more like for example like a sorority the meanness amplifies because everybody is one upping each other on it and I do think when I look back on it it is cruelty it is judgment it is mean and it can I just my perspective on it for me was that I was entitled to be judgmental because I was better and I think that that's how you do me thought your shit didn't stink but I mean I think that it still doesn't it but I mean it just when it when your default setting is that dehumanizing and ugly everything just I think there's an enjoyment I think it's because entitlement is something you see like in white supremacist cultures even people that aren't religion entitlement is something that I get there the the thing about evangelical Christianity to me is the enjoyment of cruelty look at the laws they legislate look at the channels they watch look at the circles they hang in look at the school you sent your kids to it was a complete booklet about justifying cruelty the whole booklet was about justifying cruelty to people that weren't heterosexual and that's just it's crazy but they like it they like the cruelty that oh only straight people can send their kids here the we will only be around we will only all be around straight people and I think they enjoy pointing out other people's defects to overcome their own defects yeah because they're fucking their trainer at the Christian gym but it wasn't a Christian gym oh I forgot you did fuck your trainer when you were in your Christian marriage my godly marriage I forgot about that yeah it's in the book I'm not I'm not this is in her book didn't you write about this in your one of your chapters in the book yeah god that I forgot that was so good that was back I mean and you really you were really revved up for that carried it on for a few months yeah stayed right I mean just stayed the course I think you would go from his bed straight to marriage counseling yes on more than one occasion which that's Freudian and then to church on Sunday one million percent I think that was maybe when I kind of started really liking you before it was a it was a service of our kids can all hang out together like it helps my kids you know as a young mother you have to find these mom groups but I would always leave and I was being like god these Christians I forgot it hadn't hung out with them since high school they're just so and then when you showed that kind of game I was like all right game on let's go yeah let's do let's do one oh no let's wrap all right all right so first of all if you want to read about pumps fucking her trainer 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