Misfiled

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpwright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. you get your podcasts. to follow and listen to Psychopedia everywhere you get your podcasts. Last time on Ear Witness. Molly, that was a marker in that dorm and stand up on this table and say what she said. We got a full table now. We got all the evidence we need. Ms. Ellison, would you tell us about the information that you have for us? He asked my daughter to use her three-way to call for his homeboy, and he named the fellow's name as Tavares Johnson. We had a weak case. It's based on the testimony of one witness. The only evidence, supposedly, they had against him was this earwitness who had never heard him speak before, who had no idea who he was. This case is all about alternative worlds that are in conflict with each other and in conflict with truth and in conflict with what our justice system stands for. We forget sometimes that there was a third person on that phone who totally discredits what this lady says she heard. You know what I mean? And now how close, how much closer can you get than that? Why did the jury believe this woman who eavesdrop on the call over you, who actually had the call? On the call. I don't understand. I never understood it. You know, the victim's family deserve to know what happened to their loved one. But they get no justice, no peace out of a wrongful conviction. You know, and this is simply a case of just anybody a dude. Do you remember the first time you met him? I do. Ty Alper was just starting out his legal career at the Southern Center for Human Rights when he met Teforist Johnson. Teforist was one of the first people on death row that Ty'd been assigned to represent. In January of 2003, Ty gets into one of the old Volvos that the Southern Center had in their parking lot in Atlanta and drives four hours south to Holman Prison in Atmore, Alabama. The first time I met him was down at Holman. I was by myself, and I was going to go down and make sure that he was okay with us representing him. and to sort of tell him where his case was. Ty is 29 years old, and here's what he knows. Teforrest Johnson is just eight months older than he is, and he's been on death row for over four years for a crime he says he did not commit. When Ty finally gets inside the prison, he's taken to a room called the Visiting Yard. But it isn't a yard at all. It looks like a middle school cafeteria surrounded by plexiglass. Outside the plexiglass, correctional officers and men in prison uniforms, white slacks, white shirt with Alabama Department of Corrections stamped on the back, are walking by. Inside, there's no AC, and the sad attempt of cooling the room is left to metal fans that hang in the corners. Taforist sits at a table in a plastic chair across from Ty. Ty tries to talk quietly so he doesn't disturb other lawyers working with their clients on the yard, but loud enough to be heard over the roar of the fans. And I remember saying to him, you know, Mr. Johnson, I want you to know we're at the very early stages of your appeals. There's many rounds of appeals to go. We're going to file a petition in the U.S. Supreme Court. Then we're going to go back into state court. If we lose there, we're going to go back into federal court. And all this could take many years. And he just started crying. And I assumed that he was upset because I knew that he was claiming he was innocent. And I assumed that he was upset that this was going to take so long. And I asked him what was wrong. And he said that he was so happy because he had just assumed that they could come any minute and take him to be executed. And it was just the thing that struck me the most because not only had he been screwed over in pretty much every possible way you can be, but nobody was telling him anything about what was going on in his case. But to Forrest's days without a lawyer to fight for him are over. It's now up to Ty and the team of lawyers at the Southern Center to do what no one has done before. Thoroughly investigate to Forrest's conviction. A conviction that hinged on the word and credibility of a single witness. Violet Ellison. Do you hear my madness? Laughter hides my fears Sorrows, depths are endless In this valley of tears I want to see your revelation I want to know who you are I'm reaching out in desperation To the one who's holding the stars. To the one who's holding the stars. I'm Beth Shelburne. This is Earwitness, Chapter 6, Miss Filed. After Ty leaves Holman Prison, he and the rest of Teforis' new legal team go through the case. They need to understand how their new client ended up on death row. They hear about Teforis' alibi that he was at T's place when Deputy Hardy was shot. They learn about Yolanda Chambers changing stories. They read how the state presented conflicting theories at different trials. Now it's clear to the legal team. To Forrest Johnson, did not kill Deputy Hardy. The state's case completely revolved around Violet Ellison's testimony. So we knew that that was a potentially fruitful area to investigate because she was the state's whole case. They need to figure out whether they can challenge Violet Ellison's testimony. If they can show that it wasn't reliable, they can argue that Teforist deserves a new trial. So they need to know, why did Violet Ellison come forward in the first place? Prosecutor Jeff Wallace told two juries that Violet was a credible witness, someone who overheard Teforist Johnson admit to the crime. And she came forward because it was the right thing to do. But there were other reasons Violet Ellison might have come forward. We knew the reward was offered because it was all over the papers. But we didn't know who got it or if Violet Ellison got it. The reward was not a secret. It was mentioned in press releases and reported on TV news. So the next step was, OK, well, were there questions about her credibility that the jury never heard? And an obvious one was, well, was she paid for her testimony? If Violet Ellison knew about the reward money before trial, or even if she had qualified for the reward, The jury should have been told this when they heard her testimony. The legal issues here get complicated fast, but it's important to understand that the prosecution must turn over anything that would be helpful to the defense. It can be a lead on another suspect or some forensic report that casts doubt on a piece of evidence. or information that calls the credibility of a state's witness into question. This is called Brady information after a famous U.S. Supreme Court case called Brady v. Maryland. And if a court finds out later that prosecutors failed to turn over Brady information, that's a constitutional violation and the court will order a new trial. So if prosecutors knew that Violet Ellison came forward looking for the reward, they should have told to Forrest's trial lawyers about it, and then they could have brought it up at trial. They could have told the jury, when you go back and deliberate about Violet Ellison's testimony, remember, there's a reward being offered, and she wants that reward. Are you sure money isn't part of the equation here? But the jury never heard anything about the reward. She was very credible. Monique Hicks was on the jury in TeForest's second trial, and she voted to convict TeForest based on Violet Ellison's testimony. She just seemed very truthful, like she had nothing to gain by coming forward. She had heard this information, and she felt like, I have to share this. She was a very credible witness compared to some of the others that took the sand. Like, we believed her. Obviously, we believed her because we convicted him. And it was on her testimony. Overturning a conviction is damn near impossible. Our system prioritizes finality, in part because a jury's verdict is considered a community statement and given great weight. So for TaForest to get a new trial his lawyers needed to prove two things that Violet Ellison came forward with her story in the hopes of getting the reward and that police and prosecutors were aware of this true motivation There's one big problem. If Violet Ellison had been paid, documentation of the payment should have been into Forrest's case file, but there wasn't anything there. Still, Ty and the other attorneys had a hunch that Violet Ellison got the money. The legal team tried calling everywhere they could. The sheriff's office, the governor's office, the records division. What should have been just a simple phone call turned into a multi-week endeavor. Finally, someone at the governor's office said they might have something and would send over a fax. I do remember us all hovering around the fax machine waiting to see what it was because it was the first time that anyone had acknowledged that there might be something that was helpful. The fax machine spits out a piece of paper signed by Judge Alfred Bayhackle, the man who presided over to Forrest's trials and sentenced him to death. The paper authorized Violet Ellison to receive $5,000 in reward money in exchange for her testimony that led to the conviction of TaForest Johnson. That was when we knew, okay, she did know about this reward. She was motivated by the reward when she testified. And the judge knew about it in an order that was not included in the court filing. For TaForest's legal team, this was a huge first step. The language in the court order said that Violet Ellison came forward pursuant to the public offer of a reward. And again, this authorization document was signed by the judge. It's an official court document. It should have been in Teforis' court file, right there, where everyone could see it. But it wasn't. Instead, Teforis' legal team had to go on a bureaucratic goose chase to find it. Was someone trying to hide something? What other documents were missing from the public file? So a young investigator working with Teforis' legal team named Jason Marks went right to the source. He walked up to Violet Ellison's house, holding Judge Bayhackle's court order that authorized her payment in one hand and knocked on her front door with the other. When I showed up at her house, she said something about the phone calls. And I said, oh, I'm not here to talk to you about the phone calls. I'm here to talk about the reward that you got. And that's when she said, I didn't get a reward. I was like, oh, well, that's funny. I was like, I have some paperwork here that says you got a reward. And so basically, yeah, so basically confronted her with the document. She said, oh, yeah, I did get a reward, got $5,000. After initially denying it, Violet Ellison told Jason the state paid her $5,000 for testifying against to Forrest Johnson. We knew when we got the judge's order that he had authorized the payment and then she told us that she got paid. So we knew it all. When you take a step back, he's on death row because the jury believed a woman who they didn't know was being paid for her testimony. And that should cause real concerns and questions about the validity of the conviction. Teforis' legal team files a Brady claim against the state that argues the jury in Teforis' trial should have heard about the reward. Violet Ellison knew about the reward when she came forward and that the state suppressed the information on purpose. The state denies everything. They deny any Brady violation, and they deny all of the allegations in Teforis' petition, including that Violet Ellison was motivated by the reward and that she was paid $5,000. But Teforis' legal team has evidence to the contrary The court order that was faxed to them And Violet Ellison herself After the state submits a written denial of all of the charges Brought by Teforis' legal team The case heads to court But Alabama courts won't hear the case They say the reward doesn't qualify as Brady So the appeal takes years to make its way through the courts. When TaForest and Ty first met, TaForest's five kids were all under the age of 10. And as the Brady claim crawls through the legal system, 17 years go by. TaForest's oldest daughter has graduated college, and his four other kids are having kids of their own. Finally, Taforist's legal team gets the case in front of the United States Supreme Court. The justices tell the Alabama courts that they're wrong for not reviewing Taforist's Brady claim. The state of Alabama must hear the evidence about the reward. Ahead of the hearing, Judge Teresa Pulliam gives the state very clear orders. You have to turn over everything, everything that you have that concerns a reward payment, you have to turn it over to Mr. Johnson's lawyers. So the state gives Taforist's legal team what they say are all of the documents about Taforist's case. An attorney representing the state tells Judge Pulliam the files contained nothing about anyone applying for a reward or being granted a reward. I think it was eight or nine banker's boxes of documents. And we went through every single page looking for any mention of a reward payment to Vialto Elson, and there was nothing in there. But then, Teforis' legal team gets a tip from an insider. the woman who served as office manager at the Jefferson County District Attorney's Office when Teforrest was on trial. So she told us that if we were only looking in the case file, we weren't looking everywhere that the documentation might be, because they also had a reward file that they kept separate from the case files that would include paperwork and documentation of witnesses who had sought rewards and or been paid rewards. Reward information in the DA's office, according to this source, was kept in a separate, confidential file, away from prosecutors involved in trials, like Jeff Wallace. This meant he couldn't turn it over to Teforis' lawyers because he didn't know about it. To Teforis' attorneys, this meant the information about the reward was kept from them, intentionally suppressed. The judge orders the DA's office to turn over this separate confidential file. We got an email that said we found these documents. They had been misfiled, and here they are. Here they are. After 17 years, the state finally turned over every document to Forrest's lawyers had asked for. The hidden treasure trove. An application for the reward that's signed by Violet Ellison A copy of the actual check for $5,000 made out to Violet Ellison An email exchange between District Attorney David Barber and the governor's office about how to pay the reward And a letter from D.A. Barber asking the governor to pay Violet Ellison the money saying that she came forward pursuant to the offer of a reward. If this hidden information about the reward, kept away from Taforist's lawyers for 17 years, doesn't count as prosecutorial misconduct, as a Brady violation, what does? but according to the state, all of these documents were simply misfiled. When I hear misfiled, I imagine someone accidentally putting a document into the wrong folder, or maybe a paper falling behind a cabinet. But that's not what happened. It sounds like they had it organized in a file they kept explicitly for rewards, a file that no one seemed to know about except the office manager and the DA himself, David Barber, who headed the prosecutor's office. How is this acceptable? Hello? Yes, I was calling for David Barber. Speaking. Mr. Barber, my name is Beth Shelburne. I called David Barber, who's now retired after serving as Jefferson County's top prosecutor for 24 years. He was DA when Taforist was tried for capital murder. And personally involved in the reward issue, he wrote the letter asking the governor to pay Violet Ellison. The defense team for Mr. Johnson didn't have any records about the reward until 2019. The attorney general's office produced the records and said they had been misfiled. Okay. Does that sound strange to you, or do you have any idea how that could have happened? The AG's office, if they said it got misfiled, then I guess it got misfiled. Human error, I guess. I don't know. I don't second-guess people. I mean, things happen. You have people working in agencies, DA's offices, AG's offices, governor's offices. Things get misfiled, and I mean, it happens. It happens? Actually, it did happen, at least one other time on Barber's watch. In 2004, a man named Montez Spradley was sentenced to death for murder based on the testimony of one witness, just like to Forrest Johnson. Eventually, Spradley's lawyers discovered the star witness was paid $10,000 for her testimony. But police and prosecutors never disclosed the reward payment because the reward documents were kept in the same separate file as Violet Ellison's reward payment. The judge in that case also didn't disclose information about the reward. The judge was Gloria Behackel, the sister of Alfred Behackel, the judge in Taforist's trial. Hello? Hello? Hey, my name is Beth Shelburne. I was wondering if Mr. Alfred Bayhackle is here. My producer Mara and I went to Judge Alfred Bayhackle's house, hoping to talk to him about these off-the-record payment authorizations. But he told us that he wasn't interested in commenting on any specific cases or his time as a judge. Montez Bradley was able to prove his innocence and was released from prison in 2015. To Forrest and his attorneys hope for the same outcome. I Nancy Glass host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families Late one night Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime He pulls the gun tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real I thought it was a mistaken identity The best lie is partial truth For 22 years, only two people knew the truth Until a confession changed everything I was a monster Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Hey, this is Wells Adams with By Order of the Faithfuls podcast alongside my fellow faithfuls and co-hosts Tamara Judge and Dolores Catania. The three of us have been watching this season of The Traitors and we've been inside that castle, so we have insight unlike many others. This season of The Traitors may be the best we've ever seen. Listen to By Order of the Faithfuls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Investigator Slater, host of the Psychopedia True Crime Podcast. Spooky season is officially here, and for the entire month of October, we are transforming into Spookopedia. All episodes, including bonus content, will delve into true crime with a dark twist, blending the spooky, creepy, gory, and the haunted. No matter the story we cover by the end of each episode, you are going to feel it. Make sure to follow and listen to Psychopedia everywhere you get your podcasts. I first heard about Taforce Johnson's case in 2019 when the Brady hearing was scheduled. I was assigned to cover the hearing for WBRC, the news station where I used to work. This hearing would determine whether Violet Ellison's secret reward payment amounted to prosecutorial misconduct. I didn't know much about Tefor's case back then, only that he was on death row for a crime that he said he didn't commit, and was convicted on the testimony of an earwitness who was paid off the record. In preparation for the hearing, I met with Teforist's cousin Antonio Green and other family members at their uncle's house. They all said Teforist was optimistic about the hearing. And he tells me, he says all the time, well, you know, because I know I didn't do this, so one day it'll all come out. So he's hopeful. He's very hopeful. On the day of the hearing, I only took a pen and notebook into Judge Pulliam's courtroom because she doesn't allow recording. I sat next to TaForest's mother, Donna, in a middle row, and I spotted TaForest sitting at the defense table with his attorneys. This was the first and only time I've ever seen TaForest Johnson in person. He was wearing an orange and white striped jail jumpsuit and was in handcuffs and leg irons. At one point, he turned and smiled at his family, and I heard his mom next to me say softly, Hey, baby. The courtroom was packed, and much of the crowd was to Forrest's family and friends. But I also saw Jefferson County's newly elected district attorney seated in the first row, Danny Carr. He's the first black man to be elected top prosecutor in Jefferson County. A month before this hearing, a group of faith leaders who knew about Teforis' case published an open letter to Carr asking him to push for a new trial. But at this point, Carr had not commented publicly on the case. The hearing starts at 9 a.m. Tefora's attorneys present all of the documents that took the state 17 years to turn over. They argue that the documents show the state suppressed evidence that Violet Ellison initially contacted police in pursuit of the reward money, and then the state hid that she was eventually paid $5,000. Just after 10 a.m., the state calls only one witness to testify, Violet Ellison. She's 77 years old and walks to the stand using a cane. She has short white hair and is dressed in a white blazer and black pants. After she's sworn in, Violet Ellison says that she knew the victim and followed the details about the murder and investigation by watching the news and reading the newspaper. But despite all that, and despite the fact that information about the reward was all over the news, she is vehement that she didn't know about the reward. She testifies that the first time she heard about the reward was after TaForest was sentenced to death. in July of 2001, three years after he was convicted. She says that's when someone from the DA's office contacted her and asked her to come in and sign papers for the reward money. At the end of this five-hour hearing, Judge Pulliam says she's not going to make a decision that day. She'll consider all of the evidence and then issue her ruling. To Forrest's mother Donna, sitting next to me, bursts into tears. After the hearing, I was going over my notes and noticed a big discrepancy between the state's story and Violet Ellison's testimony about what triggered the reward three years after To Forrest was convicted. In opening statements, the state lawyer said that Violet Ellison asked the DA's office about the reward. But on the stand, Violet said it was the other way around, that they contacted her. This might seem like a minor detail, but knowing what triggered the reward payment is key in determining whether or not this is a Brady violation. Who called who first? How did this payment come about? So I emailed the attorney general's office for some clarity, and they directly contradicted Violet Ellison's testimony again, writing, three years after the trial, Ellison requested the cash reward that had been offered by the governor. And since then, Alabama's attorney general completely reversed the state's narrative. the AG's office now claims that the prosecutor asked for the reward to be paid unbeknownst to Violet Ellison. But former DA David Barber told me he wouldn't do that, that rewards were triggered by law enforcement or a witness themselves applying for a reward. And prosecutor Jeff Wallace said he had nothing to do with rewards. Everyone I asked gave a different answer. pointing the finger in a different direction. Nobody wanted to own up to triggering the payment. The state continuously changing its story on this important detail isn't just sloppy, it's incredibly suspicious. It takes nine months for Judge Pulliam to issue her decision. She writes that she found Violet Ellison to be confident, describing her as well-dressed and well-spoken, and that her articulate testimony outweighed the evidence presented by Taforist Johnson's attorneys. Pulliam says the documents don't prove that Violet Ellison knew about the money when she testified and don't amount to misconduct by the state. She doesn't address the fact that it took the state 17 years to admit they had paid Violet Ellison. Really what she was doing was validating the credibility of Violet Ellison, saying, I didn't know that there was even a reward offered in the case, which is impossible to believe. And then validating her testimony that three years after the trial, not having known that there was even a reward offered in the case. The DA's office, out of the blue, called her up one day and said, hey, remember that case you testified in? We have $5,000 of the state's money that we'd like to give you for that. Do you want to come down and get it? And she said, sure, and came down and got it, which is also impossible to believe. To Forrest's legal team appeals the decision, and in April of 2021, I attend oral arguments in front of the State Court of Criminal Appeals. I notice all five judges on the court are white. In fact, everyone in the courtroom is white. The disconnect is striking. DeForest Johnson isn't here. All these white people are discussing the fate of a Black man who is locked away on death row, completely absent from this process. This dynamic isn't unique to this hearing. Black people make up 27 percent of Alabama's overall population, but 54 percent of the state prison population. There are no Black appellate judges, and only three of the 42 elected DAs in Alabama are Black. This lack of representation means it's almost always white people making policy and punishment decisions that impact a disproportionate poor and Black population. to force hearing in the court of criminal appeals lasts just 49 minutes. It's another denial. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpwright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. Until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Wells Adams with By Order of the Faithfuls podcast alongside my fellow faithfuls and co-hosts Tamara Judge and Dolores Catania. The three of us have been watching this season of The Traders and we've been inside that castle, so we have insight unlike many others. This season of The Traders may be the best we've ever seen. Listen to By Order of the Faithfuls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Investigator Slater, host of the Psychopedia True Crime Podcast. Spooky season is officially here, and for the entire month of October, we are transforming into Spookopedia. All episodes, including bonus content, will delve into true crime with a dark twist, blending the spooky, creepy, gory, and the haunted. No matter the story we cover by the end of each episode, you are going to feel it. Make sure to follow and listen to Psychopedia everywhere you get your podcasts. At the end of the trial, once the verdict was read and everything was done, the jury was finished with their job. And I remember the judge saying that TaForest would be sentenced at another date. Monique Hicks again, who served on the jury in TaForest's second trial. Monique wanted to talk with me after she saw a news story about Violet Ellison and the reward payment. So I made the hour-long drive to her house to speak to her in person. Monique was 27 years old when she voted for Taforist's guilt and a death sentence. As soon as that was over, security quickly ushered the jury out the back door of the courthouse to the parking deck. She never found out if the judge agreed that Taforist should be put to death or spend life in prison. I never heard anything. Didn't see it in the news. May have dismissed it that night. The internet wasn't a thing. I couldn't look it up, Google it. So I honestly never knew ultimately what happened to Mr. Johnson. 20 years later, Monique gets a book recommendation from a friend. The Sun Does Shine, a memoir by Anthony Ray Hinton, a black man from Birmingham who was sent to death row in 1985 despite a solid alibi and no eyewitnesses tying him to the murder. He was exonerated 30 years later. And so I was reading the book, and as I'm reading the book, I'm like, oh, wow, this was set in Birmingham in the 80s. I was like, I was on a jury in the 90s in Jefferson County in Birmingham. That's interesting. By the time I got to the end of the book, I remember I looked at my husband and I said, oh, my goodness, I think we convicted an innocent man. because I was like, there's no way 10 years later that the injustices and the corruption that were going on in the system had cleaned themselves up. About two weeks later, I'm sitting on my sofa and I open up my local news app to just read the headlines. Tafaris Johnson has been claiming innocence for over 20 years on death row, something to that effect. And I opened up the article and started reading and I just started sobbing, like uncontrollable. because I was like, oh my goodness, we did convict an innocent man. And he's been on death row all these years, and I didn't know it. It wasn't until 2019, more than two decades after she voted to convict Taforist Johnson, that Monique learned that the state's key witness, Violet Ellison, was paid in secret for her testimony. You know, the star witness was paid, and the defense didn't know it, the jurors didn't know it. So yeah, I was shocked. And then I was like, well, how shocked were Taforist and his family when we accused him of being guilty. So I just can't imagine what that was like to them another blow. At the time of the trial, Monique found Violet Ellison to be composed and confident. Do you think that your impression of her would have been different had you known she was being paid $5,000? I definitely believe we would have, as a jury, talked about that. Like, how credible is this testimony? She's being paid for it. Yes, I do think there would have been conversations about it, and I do believe it could have changed the outcome. I really felt like the jury was used in this big game of injustice. We were just like, here's some theories. We're just going to keep throwing them out until we can get a group of people together to believe it. And I just feel like we were being used in this game. They needed a conviction. It was a high-profile case. It was a sheriff's deputy. Somebody needed to pay for it. And to me, it just seems like we're just going to throw these things out. gather people together until we get some that believe it. And unfortunately, I was in the group that believed it. Monique is one of three jurors that I've interviewed. All three regret voting to convict to Forrest Johnson. None of them could quite put their finger on why they were convinced of his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, other than believing Violet Ellison. Once they learned she was paid for her testimony, it was like Teforist suddenly became real to them. The weight of their decision was crushing. But besides speaking out about their regret, there's nothing they can do. They can't take back their votes. They have to live with their decision. I felt a lot of grief, shame, guilt for having been a part of this. I'm a pretty even-keeled person. I'm not a crier. You know how some people cry about anything. That's not my go-to. I'm not a big crier. But any time this subject comes up, it is like grief deep in my soul. and I just get very emotional. I felt like I needed to talk to the person at the center of the case, outside of courtrooms and legalese. I wanted to hear from Violet Ellison. She has a small brick house on a busy street in Birmingham. When I go there, the main front door is open, and as I walk closer, I can see Violet Ellison sitting inside, wearing a robe. She stands up and turns to face me. Hey. Are you Miss Violet Ellison? Miss Ellison, my name is Beth. I'm a journalist. And I was hoping to talk to you about the Deputy Hardy murder that you were a witness in. Eventually, she steps out onto the porch where we continue the conversation. And I feel like I'm just being ridiculed for telling the truth. Yeah. And I don't like that. Well, I just wanted to ask you about the issue of the rewards. Is that what everybody's talking about? I talked to Violet Ellison for 20 minutes, and she tells me no less than a dozen times that she did not know about the reward when she came forward to talk to police and that she did not know about it when she testified against DeForest at two trials. Do you think about the fact that he's on death row, though? I mean, I know you said you don't really just support the death penalty. Yeah, well, I did at first, you know, it troubled my spirit. And as time went by, you try to forget the bad things that, you know, happen. It's a little surreal for me to be face-to-face with Violet Ellison, this woman who's the linchpin of the entire case against Taforist. As we say goodbye, she delivers the most ironic thank you I've ever received, telling me she appreciates me talking to her directly instead of relying on someone else's characterization of what she said. You know, nobody has come to me like you to see how I feel about it. They're just reporting on what somebody hearsay, and I don't like that. Because you'll never get the truth like that. There is a man on death row because the jurors believed Violet Ellison. Now we know what the jury didn't know at trial, that she was paid for her testimony and that the state hid this information. They told the jury that Violet Ellison was credible and believable, and they still say that. But they weren't truthful about the reward. So why should we believe how they characterize their key witness? I hate to say it, I know that's my grandma, but that's a true scam. Any way she can get a dollar? I'm telling you, she ain't that tight that's just going to help somebody just to help them. It got to have money involved. Wow. That's next time. ear witness is a production of lava for good podcasts in association with signal company number one executive producers are jason flom jeff kempler kevin wardus and me beth shelburne the investigative reporting for this series was done by me and mara mcnamara producers are mara Hannah Beal, and Jackie Pauley. Kara Kornhaber is our senior producer. Britt Spangler is our sound designer. Additional story editing from Marie Sutton. Fact check help from Catherine Newhand. And special thanks to Taforist Johnson's legal defense team. You can follow the show on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Twitter at Lava For Good. To see behind-the-scenes content from our investigation, visit LavaForGood.com slash EarWitness. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpright became the victim of a random crime. The perpetrator was sentenced to 99 years until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Wells Adams with By Order of the Faithfuls podcast alongside my fellow faithfuls and co-hosts Tamara Judge and Dolores Catania. The three of us have been watching this season of The Traitors and we've been inside that castle. So we have insight unlike many others. This season of The Traitors may be the best we've ever seen. 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