SC EP:1213 The Hunting Shack

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet but what I saw was. I'm going to run away. I'm going to run away. Jesus Christ, you better turn. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on downstairs? It's a horrible business about six foot nine. Easy a balancer. Yes, the broken right in. Hi, this is Ian on the Eastern shores of England. Keep it a believe it. All around the world we're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show. Tonight we'll be chatting with John and John comes to us from Washington. He has this hunting shack out in the middle of nowhere. An area that's pretty notorious for sightings. He had a very, very strange night, him and his friends and his wife. This happened back in October of this year and I'll kind of let John go into it. And then we'll wrap up with Marissa. And Marissa was on vacation with her husband in South Dakota in the Badlands National Park. She describes running into a very large canine looking creature that was jet black, even when they hit it with the flashlight. And I'll let Marissa go into that. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is west at Sasquatch Chronicles.com And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome John to the show. John, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. I'm a recent listener due to a, I guess an encounter that we had, a little background, I guess. I'm 50-something years old and we've been going out to this location for, where I've been going out there for 30-something years. When it's very remote, miles from civilization, it's close to vehicle traffic. You have to hike in. You have to go to the North West and not far from Olympic National Forest as the crow flies. Anyways, we've got an off-grid shack out in the woods that we used for hunting. And this took place this October this year, 2025. It was after a long day. And we'd eaten dinner, it was dark, sitting around the table, just chatting. Well, there was been half a dozen of us, I'm guessing. At one point, my wife said, did you guys hear that? I think there's something outside. And others had heard the Fed and said, well, it's probably just a log settling in the fireplace and clunking on the side, which isn't unheard of. So we didn't really pay it much mind. A few moments later, there was another Fed that we all heard right on the wall behind where my wife was sitting. And she said, did you hear that? I saw things outside. And I guess that wall has a plexiglass window right about where we heard the sound. Anyways, three of us jumped up and went to the door and glanced down the side of the shack. And there was nothing, nothing there, nothing like the stirrup. So again, just thinking it was probably nothing. We, two of us went back into the shack and the third, I'll call him Jay, and said he had to use a bathroom. We've got a, an outhouse separate from the shack out there. He went that way and my friend, yes, and I, we went inside and sat back down. And it wasn't even a minute later, Jay came last time through the door, eyes wide. You can see, I mean, he's something Adam spooked and he said, something's out there. He said, what do you mean, something's out there and he said it. He was just about to the shitter out there and he heard a, like an exhale, grunt. And it scared him. He's not easily scared. He's a veteran. Seems, seems some stuff to put it lightly and not easily shaken. He passed his eyes. So, three of us went outside and took an immediate left walking towards the outhouse. We went about, you know, I'd say, 20 feet and stopped. Just kind of listened. And he was dark. Couldn't even, like, see my hand in front of my face. I was like, we stood there for a little bit, let our eyes adjust. And then I saw, I said, what the f***, you know, what the f*** is that? It was a red, red light. I'd say it was, you know, like, kind of like a glowing LED. I could more of a dim LED type light. And from what I could gauge, it was, I'd say it was just beyond where the outhouse sits. So, there's no trees between the shack and the outhouse. And then beyond the outhouse, probably 20 feet beyond, it starts a sparse forest. You could still see through it, but, you know, there's some branches here and there. I'm guessing that's about where this red light was. It seemed to kind of confirm because that red light just disappeared. And I moved my head and big circles, you know, like you would see beyond branches. I tried to pick something out that's beyond the branches. And red light was there again. And then it wasn't. I just moved, just swiveling my head up and down inside the side. And I was able to locate it again. And it went away again. And it seemed like every time I looked at it, it would, it would shift. And this whole time, you know, I was WTF is that. And nobody else saw it. In the beginning, and I'd say it was probably two or three minutes. And then I was, I was like, I'm saying WTF, it was the common, the common term that night. He's like, what is that? And I was like, I don't know, you see it. He said, yeah, I see it. And so this light was not steady. It was pulsing. Almost an on and off kind of a. And it wasn't a flash. It was more of a fade on to off, on to off. And I'm worsey in it. My friend, we call him S, wasn't seeing it. And it was, it seemed important for me to get him to see it. I've been a long time, we've been long time friends since kids. And Jays fairly knew acquaintance to me. And as an I, we've been together a long time. I really wanted him to see this just to verify. And go and crazy and seeing things. And I was holding, grabbing him by the shoulders, trying to position his face like where I would see these red, red light. And he just wasn't seeing it. And then I saw another. There was a second one distinct. And it wasn't close to the first one. Not like eyes would be horizontal and close together. This was farther away. And I heard I saw at one point, I saw three of these lights and three distinct different locations all within. You know, my field of view in front, like if I was to hold my hand out at arms length, I'd say they were all between. You know, about 12 inches or, you know, my, my hand, I'd say a tip of my pinky and my thumb. At arms length out. After, after I said, I see three. Yes. I joined the WTF party and, and audibly I could, you know, I could tell by his voice that he saw something and. He had a thermal scope with him. And this whole time he was looking where we were looking and not seeing anything on the thermal. But then all of a sudden he did, he saw something round. You know, as a black background as a white heat signature set up and something glowing white circular almost. It began to appear almost as if something was peaking behind a stone for a tree trunk or something from. Nothing looking left and appeared and then went right back where it came. He threw that thermal down the decide. He was definitely spooked. And then at that point, he saw the red light. After that. And this, this, this would be the right, the red light on the right hand side. And it was closer. I didn't notice it get closer during this, but somehow I think it closed some distance and was closer and unobstructed by any branches. It was just a red light right there and read out there in front of us that this one, it was probably. I'm guessing 20, 30 feet away, 30, 40 feet, maybe. He was saying red off red off and we were all verifying or watching this. Happen right then and. So at some point somebody heard. I didn't hear it, but they thought they heard something behind us. And then we mentioned we don't want to get flanked. We don't know what this is. So we kind of we backtracked a little bit towards the shack, which is seem like the safest place to be anyways. I never heard any footsteps or any sounds at all. After we kind of checked our six there and nothing. We went back and they were gone. There was no more red lights. I don't know. I didn't hear Jay said that each thought he heard a footstep or two. I didn't hear anything. I didn't hear anything. I don't know what it was. We racked our brains into the wee hours of the morning trying to figure out what the heck we just saw. What it could possibly be. And you know there's nothing logical. We had to start really stretching and reaching for. Some weird stuff. I'm kind of new to this. I've listened to some podcasts and interviews and stuff that since this experience. Kind of searching for answers. And I notice you know a lot of colors say, oh, I've been listening to you for a long time. Here's my story. I'm not that guy. I'm a crazy researcher. I like to get to the bottom of things and I'm having trouble finding anything as anything similar to this. I guess that's why I reached out to you. I heard an interview on Sasquatch Chronicles that the guy was talking about the red eyes. You had asked him something to the effect of how many red eyes did you see in that? Struck me as an odd question. Made me, I don't know, it made me send the email to maybe help get some help from somebody that's heard more stories and done a lot more research than I have. Yeah, I appreciate you reaching out, John. The lights do come up. People would describe balls of light. You'll hear red. You'll hear blue. You heard golden. Kind of an orange, dull color. Many different colors. And a lot of times these lights will show up in areas where Sasquatch is at. But there is a count of people just seeing the lights and nothing to do with Sasquatch as well. When this started, your wife had mentioned there's someone out there and she had heard something was something hitting this hunting shack that you guys were in. Yeah, I think something something to the side of the shack. And I don't know what it was, but it happened twice. I think that somebody just said, hey, I think it was a log falling in the fire. But you know, it nestled up against the side of the wood stove that made that sound. And that seemed logical, but looking back, I don't think I think it was two separate events, something hit the side of the shack, either with. I don't know if they threw something or or tapped it or I feel like they wanted this encounter. They were, I feel like they wanted us to come outside. You know, in a strange, afterwards, you know, this is three of us that witnessed this. We're talking and I mentioned that I didn't feel. I didn't feel threatened at all. I had seemed benign to me and they both agreed. It was really strange. Looking back, I feel like I should have been a little more. I don't know, but nerfed. Then I really was, but I really didn't feel, I didn't feel like it was hostile in any way. Yeah, and I was telling you, John, before we started recording that, I experienced that at the Brown's property where they sent it like a truck at this middle building. I was standing right next to you, but there was nothing there. I must wonder if you, if what your wife heard was like a rock being thrown and hitting that shack you guys ran. Maybe a rock or a stick or a thumb. I mean, it could have been a hand. It could have been a knock. It was a knock. It wasn't extreme. It wasn't whatever it was. It wasn't really hard, but it was enough to get our attention. What intrigues me about your encounter is it wasn't one red light. You guys were seeing what was the three of them at one point. I saw three different lights. Yep. And from your account, I get the impression they were pretty close. How far away were these lights and how big were they? Well, I would say from where we were standing, but I'd say probably 40 to 60 feet. It wasn't that far. As far as size, it was small. It was small, almost like an LED light. In faint, like a dark red. I've heard some stories about these orbs and stuff. They all tend to be bigger, softball size, baseball size, golf ball size. This was very light, very, very small. Almost like an LED, but not an LED, not a red headlamp. Even a bright LED on most devices is too bright. Just a faint red, dark red colored light. And you had mentioned it going on and off, on and off. And even your friend S said that. He was saying red on, red on. Was it pulsating or was it kind of dimming completely out? And then coming back. It was pulsing. I would say it would just about get completely extinguished and then come back again. But it wasn't fast, like say you were throwing a switch, off on. It was more of a fade, fade to dark and then fade to bright. Yeah, that is odd. That's a very strange. And when Jay had the thermal or people out there who haven't used a thermal, you can set your different colors like white is hot or, you know, that sort of thing. And he had seen something come out from behind a tree was lighting up on the thermal. Did he say it was like a person peeking out from behind the tree? He seemed to think so. Yeah, he said it seemed like a head, you know, looking peeking out from behind something, a stump or a tree. And then going back. But you know, he was scanning where those red lights were not seeing anything. There was nothing, no, he's in the tree at all. And we did, you know, after this was all done, we went back. After they'd gone, we went back towards the shack, we checked our sakes, didn't see anything, didn't hear anything. Wondered back, no red lights. We wandered over beyond the outhouse with thermal. And there was a, there was a heat signature on a, it's like an old old growth stump, where it's kind of dirt and kind of stump and just a big mound. And there was a heat signature on that stump. And I don't see where that could have come from other than something touching or leaning up against that, which is odd too. So something was there, you know, in those thermals, if I lean up against a tree or put my hand on a tree, and then I leave and you come walking up, you'll see where my handprint is on that tree for a period of time, or you'll see where I laid up against a tree. That is interesting. You know, I was wondering why your friend couldn't see the light, but he was actually looking through the thermal, and he wasn't seeing that light. No, no, and I thought, so I'm not, at one point I took the thermal, and I was looking towards the lights. And I can't be sure, I thought that I may have seen a little bit, but nothing, just pinpoint on that thermal, but I, we try to recreate it with LED lights and all sorts of stuff. You know, nothing comes out, nothing shows up on that thermal unless there's heat. It could be that I just had my second eye open. It was a monocular, you know, like a scope, and I was seeing it with my, my one eye and not the other, you know, through the thermal. I can't confirm that we saw any lights or anything through that thermal. Yeah, it's weird, John. I come to the conclusion that these balls of light will not show up on thermal. That story I was telling you about when I was at the Browns, and I saw that bobbing light, I assumed it was someone with a flashlight walking towards us. One of the guys there had a thermal. He kept saying there's nothing there, and I assumed that he was talking about, he couldn't see the person on thermal, which is a little weird, maybe a lot weird, but I later asked him and he said, no, that light I couldn't see through the actual thermal. And I've heard that now from my witnesses, at least a dozen times, they will show up on night vision. I have recorded them on night vision, but not thermal. You know, the Sunting Shack, you guys are at. Has there been anything weird or strange that has happened while you're out there? Yeah, that's one of three of the, we've had three major things out there, I'd say, among other little weird happens, dance things. So the earliest one was I wasn't there, but it was my lifelong friends. I've grown up with these guys, I know them. They're my homies, and they were out there during gear season. One of them successfully shot a buck. We've got a meat pole hanging in the woods in the trees down the road from our shack. So they were down there in the dark, hanging that deer. They were just hoisting it up off the ground. And there was a lack of a better word, I guess, a scream. They said that that scream was so loud and encompassing that it felt heavy. My buddy S was there, he said he looked immediately up like it was coming from up above. It was so loud, started low, ended high. All the octaves in between while it was happening. I think it was five grown-ass men were terrified, armed, terrified in the dark. Just went right straight back to the shack. We hear that story every time I visit these guys, they're still talking about it to this day. It's something that's really stuck in their memory. They didn't see anything that night. It was all just here, but it was, it meant business. It was terrifying, heavy, loud. Another instance was four years ago, I think it's four years ago, I was trying to do the math. I was alcunning the same place. I mean, this is a few, probably three miles from the shack, three, four miles. We, making our way up a different route than we normally take. Coming through the trees and the brush, it was brushy. Kind of a changing from brushy swampy nasty, quick bottom to getting a little higher elevation where there's trees. Oh man, it's almost like we've entered a, it just changed the terrain. It seemed like a nice well-formed path. And on this path on the right hand side was a nest. It was green branches. A lot of them were, you know, thumb size, little bigger. And it was woven, woven branches into a perfect circle. I say there was probably six, six, seven feet across. And not too far up the path, you know, 10, 15 feet from that was a second one, about the same size. And there was a third nest, a little smaller, maybe four feet diameter. The three of us, I was with my daughter, her boyfriend. We, like, what on earth is this? What, what does this? It didn't take long before all three of us just had to leave. We just, it all hit us. About the same time as like, you know, we shouldn't be here. This something's wrong. We, we need to go and we, we just left. I never went back to that place until, you know, with this recent, this recent encounter, it's kind of maybe want to go find those. I've gone a couple of times. I've got another, another ridge to check. Part of it's been thinned since I was there. I'm hoping it wasn't thin and buried. I still hold hope. I've got another, another ridge to check. I know the general area we were, but it's hard to pinpoint in the exact location. When it, you know, we were using a different trail than normal. So it's a little unfamiliar. And John, when he say Ness, would you describe what you were looking at? They look like a bird nest on the ground. I'd say, you know, it's probably six, seven feet across, off of the ground, would be about 18 inches, ish, perfect circle. You know, if I was anywhere close to town or people, civilization, a park, a trail, I think, you know, somebody is a hoax. Somebody's out here making this and messing with people, but we're remote. There's, there's nobody out there where we go. And for somebody to do an elaborate hoax out there just doesn't seem, it doesn't seem feasible to me. I don't, and I, you know, I've looked high and low on the internet to see what makes Ness. And besides birds, I mean, Eagles make big Ness. This didn't make sense for Nego. All these were big branches and they were in a woven. You know, I stumbled across like the apes. It sounds like an ape might make a nest, but it sounds like they make their nest fairly crude and for the night and destroy them. And move on. Nothing elaborate like this. This is definitely odd. Those are. Yeah. Gorillas will make Ness. They're not very elaborate kind of like what you said. It's more of a bedding that they put down. But the Ness, and we don't have gorillas in Washington state, but the Nesset people generally find much like you described. They're in a woven, they're very complex. I've never had a report of a Sasquatch making a nest, but I've had many reports of people finding these weird oversized Ness. I guess is the best way to describe it somewhere between what a gorilla would do and a bird. And people do come across them. Next time you come across them, would you snap a few pictures? I know. I look back. I'm like, why did we not take pictures? Why didn't we mark our GPS? It's so damn hindsight. I don't know. I'm going to try to go find them. I mean, I figure they've got to be. They were green then. They'd be dead now, but they were big enough a guy should be able to see signs. What once was. Be twigs in a circle. I would imagine. Yeah, I hope you find them. Many times people report they vanished. They're gone in an area where they were, which is weird to me. But you know, going back to that night when you guys were in the hunting shack and you're seeing these weird lights and whatever that was kind of poking its head around a tree. What's your take on those lights? What do you think that they were? Boy, I don't know what those lights are. My, I'm a logical thinker and I think between the screen and the nests and those lights, to me, it seems odd that it would be more than one thing. The strangest it is seems more likely that one thing is related to all of those incidents. I'm leaning. Apparently, I'm leaning towards Sasquatch these days. I, you know, I've always kind of, I'm born and raised here in the Pacific Northwest and 50 years old. I've always heard the stories and I've never really been a believer or a non-believer. I've always thought there's a possibility that something is among us that we've never come across. I know that you don't find bears that die of natural causes ever in the woods and Sasquatch has to be way more rare than bear. And those lights, it seems weird that it would be something totally unrelated. It's odd enough that something this strange happens that to be unrelated seems impossible to me. I guess I, I guess I'm kind of growing up, I kind of believed that if there was a big foot, it was more, I was more in the camp of a holdover ape. From a long time ago, it's just walking amongst us very elusive and rarely seen. After seeing these lights, I can't just think that anymore. Biology doesn't explain that red light. What it is, I don't know. There's theories out there. Again, I'm new to this, but I've seen some theories of interdimensional beings traveling interdimensionally. That means being able to appear and disappear in front of our, what we see with our eyes, or what, but there's definitely something there. As far as I know, there's no creature out there that really produces light. I mean, except for, I think there's a deep seed fish that has that light that, you know, on its little stick or whatever to attract prey. And this wasn't, there's no way this was eye shine. There was no light. It was dark. That whatever those red lights were, it was being produced right there, or being seen. From a different dimension, I don't know, it's, I don't know what to think anymore. It's really making me question what is real. Yeah, experiences like this will definitely make you question what is real. And even this whole topic, man, there's so many weird things that go on in this topic that eyewitnesses report. It makes me wonder too. When you guys planning on going back out there. I'm, I'm hoping to get out there in the next few weeks. I know a couple of buddies are ready. It's ready to go. Yeah, busy time of year. That the holiday is. We all think busy lives. Yeah, I would love to know if anything happens if you guys do go back. And I do think that these creatures are around that hunting shack. And it's probably just a matter of time before you have a run in with one of them. You know, the Olympics are notorious for sightings. And I know you're right out there in the middle of the Olympics. And be careful while you're out there. Definitely let me know if anything happens. Will you? Hey, you betcha. I mean, there was a couple of other little things. I've always noticed the trees broken off. It's just odd stuff. You know, we're a perfectly healthy looking tree snapped at a 90 degree angle. I've been growing up. I was always told, oh, yeah, that's Sasquatch. And you know, when I see those now out in the middle of nowhere, it really makes me think twice. You know, we had a. Actually, the first trip out there will be the second trip out there this last year. We, uh, we were done. And it was just a SNI. We were done loading our gear up at the truck. He's like, did you hear that? I didn't know I didn't hear anything. And you say, it sounded like something banging a couple of rocks together. Like not far from where we were. Again, I didn't hear it, but it's just all these little. There's little odd things that happen. Also on that same trip, it was. We had parked our bikes. On the road on the gravel road and hike down to where we went hunting. I had a hike for half of the day and then came back to our bikes. And I mean, it's probably nothing, but again, it's weird. And there was a stick. Propped up just perfectly on the front tire of my bike. And I know we parked it in the dark. We started hiking in the dark before you can daylight. And I'm sure maybe it's possible that I ran over this, this stick. And it was about as big around as my four arm, about 12 inches long. Maybe I hit this stick just right with my front tire and it popped up and leaned perfectly. On the front of that front tire, but it just seems odd. Or maybe it fell from the sky and fell broke and leaned up against just weird stuff. I think they've been watching. I think they watch. They watch us. I don't know. It's weird things. Has there been other people talking about it being a small as opposed to bigger orbs? I guess, little small lights. I guess I'd be curious to listen to somebody else's encounters. Yeah, I'll see if I can't dig up a few reports and shows have done on it. I've done many shows on people seeing the lights. I've been talking about the lights on people's property. I will say the average light that people see is somewhere between a softball and maybe a soccer ball. But I have had reports of them very small, much smaller than a softball. And then I've had reports of them much bigger. I had a state trooper on one time. This happened on the East Coast. He almost hit one with this patrol car. He was on a backcountry road kind of coming around a corner. And he almost hit this ball of light and asked him how big it was. And he said it was about the size of a Volkswagen. I was like, was it UFO? He's like, no, it was a ball of light. It was just this huge ball of light. He didn't know what it was. He was floating off into the trees and it was gone. Strange, very strange. I've taken many reports of the lights. And like I said, it's a weird coincidence. They seem to show up in areas where Sasquatch is seen, especially on people's property. But I don't know what they are. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share it. Thanks so much, John. I appreciate it too. It feels good to talk about it. I haven't really told many people about my dad. My son, and I don't know. It's just weird and strange. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Marissa. Marissa, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thank you for having me. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here. And you went into something very odd and strange in South Dakota. You run the badlands. And we're going back just a few months ago back to July of this year. If you would, would you start from the very beginning? What were you doing and what happened? Yeah, so my boyfriend and I, we live in a truck camper full time. So we were kind of doing a road trip. We're from New England. So we were headed out west. We were just outside of Badlands National Park down this road where the Delta 9 missile silo is. Just camp there for the night. We were going to go into Badlands the next day. So we got to our campsite. It was still still light out. You know, we had a campfire made dinner and everything. And shortly after we got there, you know, I noticed this herd of towels kind of come running over this hill in the distance, which I found was a little odd. But shortly after that, they just started making like these really distressed, you know, like moving sounds like. I don't know, it was very weird. It went on for so long that I got to be like really creepy because I had never heard. You know, I mean, I didn't grow up on a farm, but I grew up in kind of farmland. And I just never really heard cows in such distressed like that. So eventually the sun went down. It was like a full moon is beautiful. You could see across. Like I don't know if you call it like desert or prairie, but. You know, you had this really awesome line of view. So we decided to go for like a moonlight walk. This was a couple hours after the sun went down and by this time the cows had stopped. So it was like silent. We did hear like the occasional coyote way off in the distance. You know, we were halfway prepared to run into a coyote while we were out. We took our one dog with us on our walk. Our other dog did not want to get out of the truck for some reason, which was also odd. He can be kind of he loves to be in a truck. It's kind of like his you know favorite place to be. So we weren't like super alarmed by it, but it was weird. So yeah, we walked like maybe half a mile down this sort of dirt road. And just laid down to kind of like look up at the sky, you know. And. Right. Less than a minute after we were laying down. Our dog let out like an alert bark. You know, so we both sat up right away and. Eyes kind of adjusted and. You know, looking out and there was this big just black like mass. And. It was big enough that at first I thought it was one of the cows because they were like all black cows. And I was like, oh, is that a cow and my boyfriend Brian says no, that's not a cow. I'm like, oh. I guess it's a coyote then. And we shine our flashlights at it. And. It had no eye shine, which. You know, I grew up in the woods, I've lived in the woods pretty much my whole life. And. You know, I should every animal that's out there has a eye shine. You know, and. I could tell that it was. Looking like directly at us. You know, it wasn't like we were looking at it from the side that you wouldn't see its eyes or anything. So, you know, multiple times I would like take the light off of it, shine the light back. And just nothing. It was like. As black as black could be like. You'd expect a shine a light at something and be able to see more. Detail of it. But it was just like looking at a black hole. And. Brian and I were we've talked about it many times since then because it was just. You know, we had no idea what. What it was. And I could see like ears on it like it had. Like that sort of canine type of. It was canine in that sense that I could see like big ears on it. But other than that, you couldn't make out like any features on it. And Brian has said it just looked like a black like blob to him. You know, so I was like. Kind of a little unsettled like right off the bat. But at this point, you know, we were still thinking. Coyote just because you know, you don't know what you're looking at. Your brain is just trying to fill with something that it knows. So I was like, what, what do we do? I don't want this thing behind me because we had to walk with it at our backs back to the camper. So I walked facing forward with the dog and he was behind me. You know, walking backwards basically watching it. So after a couple of minutes. Now I kept saying, oh, this thing, this thing, he's like, yeah, there was two of them. I didn't even see the second one at all because I think I was just so. Transfixed by this thing trying to. Determine what it was that somehow I completely like didn't even see the second one. But he says there was a second one, you know, like 15 feet to the. To the left of the one that I was looking at. And that they followed us for like a quarter of a mile. The one that I couldn't see. Kind of like flank us around to the side and the one that I had been looking at, which was further back. Just kind of walked in the steady line. Like following us, but you know, Brian's not like he's not a big like Sasquatch believer or any of that sort of stuff. So I found it really odd by the table. You know, we finally got back and he was like, he's like, those things didn't have legs like. You know, they were like formless. You know, he could tell that it was moving and he felt that it was moving in a canine sort of way where those sort of like. You know, Bob a little bit back and forth. I guess. But could not make out any legs or any features on them whatsoever. And so after you know, he told me they had stopped following us. Immediately after the cows started making their noises again and it went on for another several hours again after that by the time we got back to the camper. But yeah, I don't know after they stopped following us. We never saw him again. I was so worried they were going to show up at the camper, you know, but never good. You know, when I very first read your email, I was thinking dog man, but that's strange what Brian said about it not having any legs or. When you guys first saw that one, how far away from you was it? We've estimated it is about 60 yards. And the one that I didn't see that he saw he thinks was closer than that. So they were close enough that you know, we've actually tested it with our dogs in the woods like how far away can you see them with a flashlight, you know, how far away with their eyes shine. And they were definitely close enough that you know, you should have been able to make out features on them or you know, see the eyes shine. You know, I've interviewed eyewitnesses that have run into the report what they saw the overall shape looks like a Sasquatch or the report what they saw had the shape of a very large wolf. And kind of the same thing when they point a flashlight at it, there's it's like a like you said a black hole is so dark that it's like the light just sucks it up. It's been a few years since I've had those reports, but you know, it's like what do you make of that when you were looking at this saying I mean the overall shape of it, I realize you can see any details, but did it remind you of a canine. Well, like I said, I mean, I saw ears on the ones that I was like the one that I was looking at, but other than that, no, it was like. You can kind of make out that it had like a head and neck, you know, and then the like a more slender kind of body, but no, I couldn't see any sort of legs or. Never got a side profile of it at all to see if it had you know like the muzzle of a dog or anything like that. You know thinking back on it and like I don't know how much. My brain was trying to fill it in as a coyote if that makes any sense. But now it was very bizarre. How long did you guys sit there for when when you noticed it. Well, we had been you know, we laid down it was less than a minute of us laying there before our dog barked and we sat up and they were like right there and it was kind of like. You know how the hell did these things get there so fast you know we had just been up walking looking around. You think you know my dog would have sensed it way sooner it was almost like they just like appeared there out of nowhere. We sat and looked at them for. Probably two minutes I would say not much longer than that before starting to head back is. You know I just have this really like uneasy feeling about them where you know it's like the longer we look at them like I have no idea what I'm looking at here. You know I'm not scared of coyotes we've seen them by dozens of time you know like living in the camper and living growing up in the woods but. Yeah so that fear I had of like oh I don't want to sing behind me that you know it's not my normal gut reaction to seem coyote and. Because we tried yelling at them to scare them off and they just kept very slowly advancing towards us. Like coyotes don't really like stock people maybe they were trying to size up the dog or something but. The same uneasy feeling you had would you describe it you know like a full wolf showed up or was that uneasy feeling more than that. I mean I've never seen wolves so I guess I don't know how it would react but. I've had a couple incidents with like bears and stuff and you know I know that standing or ground is always the best way to go you know in those sorts of situations but. Yeah I guess on easiness was more of just. That being really unsettled because I had no idea what it was. You know I told the story to a friend and she asked like oh did it feel like an evil press it presents and I didn't feel that way yeah it was more just. Being scared because I didn't know what it was. Would you say what you saw was about the same size as a coyote or was it bigger way bigger way bigger I mean it was easily wolf size if not bigger than that. And I as far as I know there's no wolves in that area. With the one that Brian saw did he give you any more details beyond it didn't have legs and kind of appear like it was floating. No I mean I guess that's kind of the biggest takeaway that he had from it was that it was just like a little kind of blob I guess. One other thing I forgot to throw in there we could hear it panting like a really deep like like super creepy again I have never heard a coyote have that sort of a deep breathing you know maybe they do but. No it was like it first we thought it was a coyote and then we kept talking like that thing was huge like when I first saw it I thought it was a cow like. You know that's how big that like I don't know that maybe it was actually as big as a cow but way bigger than a coyote for sure. You know the bad lands comes from a Lakota word and it roughly translates in English to the bad lands that's what we call that area the bad lands. But in this area there's a legend and I wish I could remember what the word is the Native American Jews. I can't remember it I'm sure if I I'm sure if I could remember it I probably slaughter it when I try and pronounce it but. It roughly translates to the crawlers and I've had a few eyewitnesses see them I've read about them and they appear to be. Black is night kind of the way you're describing it so black you put a light on it you can't see anything but just black. And generally people will report them as reminding them of wolves or some form of canine I've heard of them attacking animals I've never heard of them actually attacking humans. But you know I mean dead people don't talk but I have heard of them attacking animals in the area and it seems to be some weird entity and again when people report it they'll often say it reminded them of a wolf or a canine or something like that. You know you're describing a predator that's really not acting normal at all and if there was two of them that's concerning and I know in this area you know with the butes and I would imagine if there was a lot of moonlight shadows could play tricks on your mind you know skeptics will often say that but I don't think people are seeing shadows. Like I said I've taken a few reports like this and I've read about it and my understanding is it something seems to be more paranormal and I tend to lean that way especially with what Brian said when he saw that thing and it didn't have legs like it was just floating. Yeah like I said I don't know how much of it was just my brain trying to fill it in as a coyote you know like it's like I said we had heard them that night so if we had run into coyotes you wouldn't have been at all surprised. The way they just showed up out of nowhere and yeah I mean they were not coyotes that's for sure. Yeah scary it's very scary I mean obviously I wasn't there but that would be my best guess on what you guys ran into and I think it's good you didn't engage with it you guys just kind of up and left. And I in those situations I think that's the best thing to do what you take on Sasquatch what do you think it is. I don't know I think I fall more in the camp of that it's something maybe interdimensional or. I think it would be hard for a species that big or any of these creatures dog man anything like that to be. Something physical we haven't found you know any bad bodies or anything like that. I believe we're in the paranormal and stuff so I think it's possible that they could be some kind of interdimensional I don't know something along those lines I guess. It is strange for something that big not to be found at this point but you know that bad lands area where you're at I mean I've heard some weird weird things in that area that people have run into and I'm not sure why why weird stuff shows up there I mean I realize it's called the bad lands but it's quite beautiful you wouldn't think that looking at pictures of the area but. It's strikingly beautiful there and again if I were to give you my best guess that's what I would say you probably ran into at the end of the day I don't know. But you know even with the way your dog was reacting like your dog didn't want anything to do with it. Yeah right yeah the one dog not want to get out of the car it was definitely strange you know that you had a bad feeling about that place. In my other dog that was walking with us she's she's not afraid of a thing but yeah well she definitely saw them she or sensed them or whatever because she was on the barked at them you know it's like wow if we hadn't had her with us and we'd just been laying on the ground how close with these things have gotten to us before we even knew they were there. Yeah I think I too was there I really appreciate coming on and sharing it Marissa. Yeah thank you so much for talking with me. And that's it for tonight everyone remember if you've had an encounter shoot me an email my email address is west at saskwatchcronacles.com and if you get a chance check out saskwatchcronacles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time everyone.