Episode 509: Real Heat

Hello, I'm here with Jose Mourinho and Snickers for Football's Rapid Fire On or Off Your Game. Right, Jose, you've got one or two opinions on football, so I want you to tell me whether the following is On or Off It's Game. First up, VAR. Half the game. Half and half scarves? Half the game. What about backflip celebrations? Half. Cutting holes in the back of your socks? Half, half, half the game. What I hate, even the ones without calves, they do the holes. Snickers, you are off your game when you are hungry. Today's episode comes to you from the Bluetue studio. Right now, when you buy two months of Bluetue gold, you get the third month for free with the promo code RESTLE at bluetue.com. Welcome to something to wrestle with. Welcome to RESTLE with... RESTLE with... RESTLE with... RESTLE with... RESTLE with... RESTLE with... RESTLE with... That's not a RESTLE. RESTLE with... No, you have a big one. There's no box of gimmicks. Rumor in the new window. I don't deal in rumor in the new window. And was he there? I was there. There's something I don't give a shit about. Well, there's something to wrestle with. Something to wrestle with. Something to wrestle with. Something to wrestle with. Something to wrestle with. Bruce Prichard. Hey, hey, it's Conrad, the mortgage guy, and you're listening to Something to Wrestle With. John Liefield. John, what's going on, man? How are you? Bradshaw360 says, I just stole your fucking podcast. And Bradshaw360 says, quit vlogging your mule. What? Did you say 369? Yeah, 369. Okay. I didn't know what that was saying. There's 369 and there's 369. Different verses. Okay. Wow. Completely different things. I'll have to check that out. We're appreciative that you guys are checking us out. Of course, this is a big month for professional wrestling. AEW has got a big paper review this weekend. And of course, next weekend is the granddaddy of them all. WrestleMania is now a two night affair. And John, we know what are the main events for night one and night two. Of course, this was a lot of debate and discussion. What's going to be on the night one card? What's going to be on the night two card? We know night one is Cody Rhodes versus Randy Orton with Pat McAfee in this corner. Yes, we are going to talk about that. But main event of night two is punt versus Roman. So you've got both titles on the line, both men's titles on the line in the main events. Which main event are you looking forward to most as a fan, John? You know, I think Randy Orton and no offense to Cody and I mean, I know if it, I mean, sorry, no offense to Pat and those guys, but I am, I think Randy Orton, you know, Randy, a tag team with Bob Orton when I first got to Japan. And Bob really took care of me. His dad did so much for me. And I just remember Randy breaking into business and, you know, Randy's a good dude. And he's been such an incredible champion and worker. You know, I have no idea who's, you know, going over. Don't care. But I'm looking forward to Randy Orton headlining another WrestleMania. You know, I love Cody. Love what he's done. I love the fact that Cody went off and fed on himself and came back and he's now headlining all these WrestleMania's. You know, I just, I just lean a little bit toward Randy because of the association with his dad. Well, I think, I think this brings up a good point. I've never asked you this, but I am curious to pick your brain. Why do you think Randy Orton is so beloved by the legends of the business? I mean, if you're talking to a guy like Rick Flair or you're talking to Eric Bischoff or JBL or Jeff Jarrett, like the guys of that generation and of that class, it almost feels like when they talk about the current WWE roster, they talk about Randy Orton and then others. Well, why is Randy held in such high regard by folks of your class and your generation? Because of who he is. I mean, he's just a good dude. Randy's a good person and Randy is a guy that is incredibly respectful. So here's Randy, what 15 time world champion is that right? 14 time world champion. It could be one of the greatest of all time. When you show up to an event, he treats you like you're the greatest of all time, these old legends, guys, you know, guys out and put myself as the least the old category. When I show up, Randy's always just so respectful. It's so nice. And he does that with everybody. He shows respect to everybody. Maybe that's being a third generation wrestler. Maybe that's just growing up the son of Bob Orton Jr. I don't know, but Randy is so respectful to these guys and defers to them so much. I think guys just really have an admiration for that and they really root for Randy because of that. Well, I think we're all rooting for a big WrestleMania. I would say I know there's been a lot of criticism heading to this WrestleMania. It feels like some people are unfulfilled creatively as far as the fan base goes. But when you look at the actual in ring of the 13 matches that have been announced so far, I think you could make the argument that this may actually be one of, if not the strongest in ring cards that we've ever had at WrestleMania. First of all, you've got two nights. So you've got a lot more options. And even though there have been previous WrestleMania's that had a lot of matches, they were very often very brief. These are going to be spaced out at like seven matches a night. So you're going to have more time to have longer matches and tell better stories. I just feel like for whatever reason, this WrestleMania is going to exceed all expectations. Mind the minority on that. Do you think? Absolutely not. You've got some incredible workers. And you look at the top of the card, the top of the card has got to be able to follow all these matches. I think the top of the card in both these times have got the best matches that WWE has to offer. I think CM Punk and Roman Reigns, these are two incredible workers. I mean, these guys can go. These guys can deliver in a big spot. I mean, Roman Reigns is the ultimate main event guy. And so is CM Punk. I mean, I think that the close off two nights of WrestleMania, there's a lot of pressure on people. I think these two guys are going to be able to handle it. I think they'll have a very long match. I think it's going to be absolutely fantastic. And I think the first nights main event will be as well. I think this card will deliver. What's interesting is this is going to be the first WrestleMania on ESPN. And I know there's a lot of people who are upset about the Pat McAfee story. We'll still come back to that in a minute. But I think this is a huge opportunity for WWE and for that matter for ESPN as well. Because not only is this the first time we're seeing WrestleMania on ESPN, of course, you've got to have the ESPN plus app. But the first hour of WrestleMania is free and live on ESPN. Like that feels like a make believe sentence to me, John. And I know you and I, you know, grew up with sports center really becoming a thing and ESPN becoming a part of our culture. And for guys like us who just sort of grew up watching sports center every morning, first thing as soon as you. Oh my God, yeah, it feels like other side of the pillow along with Berman. I mean, oh my God, I've watched so much sports that are over the years. It's fantastic. This partnership with ESPN. It's a big opportunity for WWE. And I think sometimes we as fans, because we're so in the bubble, we forget. This could be massive for both WWE and ESPN. Don't you think? Oh, I think it's huge. Absolutely huge. I think ESPN has done such an incredible job. Getting this and then building out this platform. I think it's done an incredible job of getting Pat McAfee. I mean, that guy is an absolute rainmaker. I mean, I think there's some incredible talent that is at the top of the apex of all this making decisions. Obviously the ESPN guys, I do not know them, but area manual. I mean, that guy is a freaking rockstar, Nick Khan. Good Lord, man. That guy's brought in so much freaking revenue and so many opportunities. The WWE. I mean, I think wrestling fans should be very thankful. I don't know what their perception is of Nick. He's my opinion. He's a wonderful person. I like Nick, but man, what an executive. And I think Triple H has done a great job. I'm not, you know, people say, oh, you're a WWE shield. Look, I think they're doing a great job. Whether I've worked for them or not, I think they've done an incredible job. And they built this business into something that I never dreamed that it could be. And that is this massive global behemoth. And they've done an incredible job. I think it's a wonderful opportunity both for ESPN and for WWE. And by the way, when you put Rainmakers together like Pat McAfee, they've created this. I mean, that guy left a Hall of Fame NFL career to go off business on his own. And he's, man, he's got balls like grapefruit, as I used to say about our chairman. And for him to put him and area manual together and Nick Khan and Triple H. This is a real dream team. They're doing some great things. One of those great things they're doing is the first hour of WrestleMania is going to be free on ESPN2. And when we say the first hour, now we know some of those matches. The very first night on match one that you will be able to see for free on ESPN2 is Logan Paul. Teaming with Austin Theory. They are your tag champs teaming with I show speed to take on the Usos and LA night. Also on ESPN2 will be the unsanctioned match between Drew McIntyre and Jacob Pytu. You want to talk about closing out the free show with a bang? I can't imagine anything better to get people motivated to buy the rest of the show than perhaps Drew McIntyre and Jacob Pytu. That's going to be huge. I think mainstream will be talking about that match. I think they will too. And you put everybody in there that's in those matches that this is a phenomenal card by itself. I'm talking about the first hour that free. I mean to put Logan Paul in there. I'm such a big fan of Logan Paul. I mean that guy has built this incredible business. He does incredible work in the ring. I mean it's just amazing what he's done. But the Usos to me, Conrad, those are the guys, those are the carpenters in there. They're going to make all this work. Like I remember I've told this story many times here on something to wrestle with. By the way, Bradshaw316 says I just stole your fucking podcast. But the Usos used to be on the free show. They've stick guys out there for like 20, 25 minutes. They had no angle, no nothing. And me and Michael Cole would sit out there and we would call the free show. Nobody watched this in the back because they were getting ready for the show. So they're getting ready for last minute promos, last minute rewritings and stuff as they did back in the day. I went back one time and I remember telling Vince, I said, have you seen these Rikishi's kids work? And he goes, yeah, I have. He goes, but are you telling me something? And I said, Vince, you got to watch them. These kids are awesome. I mean, they go out there every single pre-show and they put them out there because they were so good. They put them out there with no angle. People are coming into the crowd. This is not an announced match. And all of a sudden there's a match in the ring and they would get the crowd every single night in those conditions. I mean, that's one of the best tag teams I've ever seen. I put up there with Ricky Robert. I put up there with anybody in the history of wrestling. They're so good. 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That's Q, U, I, N, C, E dot com slash wrestle for free shipping and 365 day returns. Quints.com slash wrestle. And how strategic is it that the first match that you're going to see on ESPN at WrestleMania features two of the biggest social media influencers of our time. I show speed and Logan Paul in the exact same match. The entire internet is going to be talking about that. And if they stick around for Drew McIntyre and Jacob Pytu, who that may be the match I'm looking forward to the most McIntyre and Pytu. But now we know what's, what's for free on ESPN two on night two. This is a new announcement that I don't think you've maybe even seen John this broke while we've been recording today. Brock Lesnar is going to open the show on ESPN for night two with oba femi. You want to talk about putting your best foot forward? I mean, has been absolute box office going back to his UFC days. And the idea that now they've got Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania for free on ESPN two. This is going to do gangbuster business. Don't you think Brock Lesnar is one of the biggest draws in wrestling history. And at one point he may have been, I'm not sure if he was or not, but at one point he has one of the biggest draws and one point was biggest draw in UFC history. I mean, this guy is just, he's a freak. He's an absolute freak. The fact that he wrestles as few times as he does per year. And he still has the best matches of the year and what he can do and how he makes people, how he makes himself, how he does whatever you need. Put Brock Lesnar out there. I don't, this is ESPN has had an absolute home run with both these first hours. I can't wait to see how this shakes out. I mean, I know we're going to talk more about WrestleMania next week, but I know there's been a lot of discussion about the big fight feel about Oba and Brock and I'm here for it. But can you imagine if Oba beats Brock on ESPN like this will be, you want to talk about making a guy? I can't even conjure up a scenario that would be bigger. I can't either. I think you're going to make him either way. And I don't think it's, I think it's obviously it's not going to hurt him. If no matter what happens, when he goes up or down, makes no difference or whether you have a DQ, I don't think you probably will. I think you probably haven't finished. I have no idea which way they'll go, but I don't think it matters either way. I think Brock's going to make him and I think he's going to come out of this a huge star. But can you also imagine Brock Lesnar if he beats him and beats him in the middle? I mean, all of a sudden now you've got this guy who's been the biggest badass in professional wrestling for the last 20 years. And he's just as big now as he's ever been. I mean, there's a lot of opportunities here that's going to come out of this no matter what happens. I want to also bring up and mention that we've got a big opportunity with WrestleMania around the corner to introduce new people to wrestling. Like I know a lot of a lot of my wrestling friends, they keep in regular touch with me about the show, but at least once or twice a year, usually around Royal Rumble time and WrestleMania time, I hear from a friend who I don't normally ever hear from. Hey, is WrestleMania this weekend because they want to check it out? I think this could be a really big opportunity that that happens at scale because of the ESPN deal. So with whatever concerns maybe that WWE may have about the lack of ticket sales, this ESPN thing happening at the exact same show where there's all this discussion about ticket sales, I think is maybe going to be the silver lining that people don't expect. Yeah, it is. And look, I've been around WWE for a really long time and Kevin Dunn was just fantastic. Kevin Dunn was I think one of the greatest executive producers in television history, not just sports in history or wrestling history in television history. I think he's that good. He and Vince together were a great team. And these guys now, Lee Fitting and these guys now that are doing the production are just as good. I mean, they're amazing. You know, maybe better. I don't know. But they're fantastic. It's hard to compare slightly different errors, but they're fantastic. They're going to make this look like the greatest show ever. It's exactly what Kevin did. It's exactly what Lee Fitting and these guys do now. They do incredible jobs. Production is so important. They're going to make this look with the scale, with the camera angles, with all the different stuff they're going to do. People are going to put on this show and think this is the greatest show on earth. If you've never watched it before, you will be absolutely blown away by WrestleMania as you have been by WrestleMania since the very first one. I think you'll be blown away. I think the tradition continues. This is going to bring in a lot of fans. When you turn on this on ESPN and you watch this first hour, it's going to be so much interest in this. And you see Brock or you see Drew McIntyre, or you see Pat, whoever comes out. People are going to look at this and go, this is something that I need to be watching. If it's this big a deal, I think it's going to look that great. I think it's a huge opportunity for both sides. It's also a big opportunity for Pat McAfee to help sell some tickets for WWE. He has become really 24 seven promotion on his Pat McAfee show, which is the number one show over on ESPN. So there is a constant barrage of plugs. So I understand the professional synergy here. I also understand that his agent, even though he's not really an agent, but he is represented by Ari Emanuel and his organization. And allegedly when Pat is looking to leave his ESPN deal, maybe he'll land a Netflix deal. Who knows? But somehow, some way, Pat McAfee has found himself involved in the main event of Night One of WrestleMania. And for whatever reason, a lot of fans are not happy with this, John. And I'll admit, some of the language that Pat used, not the foul way, just felt like it sort of spit in the face of wrestling tradition. And maybe that's what he's looking to do. But he is a heel. He is a bad guy. And the idea that fans are online or hating that Pat McAfee is involved and don't want him near the main event is probably the desired result as a heel, don't you think? Yeah, you think? It's just, you know, it just blows me away when a guy gets heat like this and goes, Oh, no, no, no, it's go away. No, it's not. You're talking about it. If you, if it was go away, you would not be talking about it because you would not like it. You would not even mention it. It's real heat. And people look out there, they want to have heels. They're not fans. They want to have heels, but they want to be in on it. They go, Hey, listen, I, you know, he's a great heel. If you're saying somebody is a great heel, they're not a heel because you realize they're playing something. And when you come out there and you're able to strip away the veneer of that person's playing a heel to that person's just an asshole and I don't like them. That's when you're winning. Killer Tim Brooks used to always tell me the key to being a heel is when they take away the fact that you're playing a character and they don't just say it has nothing to do with Killer Tim Brooks as a wrestler. I don't like that man. I hate him. And then you ask him, well, would you pay to see somebody come in, bruiser brody come in and take on Killer Tim? Oh my God, I'd pay double. You're right. He can't draw any money. But that's the key to being a heel is that people don't realize you're being a heel. People just look at it and go, I hate that guy. Well, he's a good heel. No, no, no, he's not a heel. I hate him. I hate him. I think Pat's doing an incredible job. I think a lot of people are curious. What's next? We saw Cody come out and cut a fiery promo. It seems to have gotten everybody talking. I think anything that creates that sort of dialogue is probably a good thing. There was also a lot of chatter about seeing punks pipe bomb promo this past Monday where he was saying, Hey, drop the ticket prices. That's not something a lot of people probably expected. And I think that's what you're looking for with a punk promo. Did you have a chance to see Cody's promo or punks promo and what are your takeaways from that? Yeah, I didn't see him live. I watched it on social media. I watched most of my content because I like to gamble on sports. But I do watch it. I watch it. I like to watch it. I usually catch up with it on social media or through clips. And I caught up with it through clips. I think it's fantastic. Look, you need something to stir the pot. You need something to stir excitement and stir a conversation. And I think that's what you got. When it's just stereotypical heel and baby face or your cut promos here back and forth, and all of a sudden you say something that seems like it's too far inside baseball and people start saying, I think he wasn't supposed to say that. Or I think that was all script. I think that that's just the attitude era. And not just the attitude or that's just good wrestling. And I don't say the attitude era because that was very famous for it. But anytime you have wrestling, you say, Oh man, those guys went off script. Whether they did or didn't doesn't matter. People are talking about they thought they did and it created some type of excitement and buzz. No, I totally agree. I tend to think if you're getting people chatting, that's cool. I do wonder sometimes if it's counterproductive. I'm not sure what in these scripts was approved or not approved. I have a feeling it wasn't scripted at all and they were shooting from the hip. But I also know that that's what we as fans want. Like we want to believe. So I'm not going to be upset that that you hooked me. And I think there's more people talking about WrestleMania now than there was a week ago, whether it's positive or negative, everybody's going to watch. This is not the show that people skip. And although it may not be a sold out show, I got to think the viewership on this WrestleMania is going to break a lot of records and impress a lot of people because the cards loaded. Yeah, I think so too. And I think it's going to do incredibly well. I think you've done a great job of creating buzz around this and I don't like behind the scenes stuff. I don't want to watch Blacklist when I do Cardio and I don't want to know what Raymond Redington is going to do next. I don't want to know who's going to die this season. I don't want to know any spoilers. I want to be hooked. Obviously that's a very scripted show. It's in the can. This is live. So it's different. But the same with wrestling. I don't want to know what's coming next. I want to be hooked. I enjoy being hooked. And if someone comes out and says something, whether it's behind the scenes or whether they're supposed to say they're not entertaining, I don't care. So to me, just put something on TV that's entertaining. I think this stuff has been incredibly entertaining. It may be a hundred percent work. It could be a hundred percent shoot. I have no idea. And I don't care. I'm entertained. Well, I would have lost a lot of money 12 years ago this week if I were a betting man and you could have bet on WrestleMania back then. It's hard to believe it, but it's been 12 years since the Undertaker Street came to an end. I was there, WrestleMania 30, New Orleans. It was my very first WrestleMania. I'll never forget being in the crowd and just a hush fell over the crowd. You know, there's that famous reaction shot that everybody remembers, but it really was that shocking. Like we all thought, Hey, they made a mistake. They're going to have to call an audible. I thought they had dusty finished the finished. But when that was not the case and I saw the graphic appear on the screen there that you just saw, I said to myself, self, I just saw freaking wrestling history. When did you find out the streak was ending? And what was your reaction? When Michael Cole said the streak and I'm sitting right beside him, calling the match. And the streak is over because Michael Cole was going to say the streak continues. But we have me and Michael had no idea what the finish was. You know, sometimes you want to know finishes because you take care better of saying, especially the loser in a match, if you know the finish, but it's between when it's between two top talents. It doesn't really matter because you're putting them both over it in a big way. You can call them at you call them at slightly differently if you're taking care of a guy that you know is doing a job when they're not, especially when they're not equal talents. But we didn't know the finish and we didn't care to know it. Michael Cole had was literally saying the streak and I knew what he's going to say. I've been out there with him, you know, 1000 something matches continues. And he said is over. And he just looked at me and I looked at him. Like what? You got to be kidding me. This is insane. The last thing we expected. We just assumed it was going to be 22 and 0 and all of a sudden it's 21 and 1. And the damn thing ended. Just, man, it was a, it was an unbelievable moment. I remember going backstage and telling Taker how proud I was of him and what a wonderful thing he did for the business, which is true. And, you know, he was, uh, you know, it was an incredible moment to be a part of. Unbelievable to think it's been 12 years. There's going to be more WrestleMania moments this year too. I'm sure John and I are going to be breaking it down next weekend. John's going to be on location in Las Vegas and you don't want to miss us because we're going to be live right here on YouTube. So if you haven't already, go hit the subscribe button, turn on your notifications bell. John's going to be out there doing a lot of publicity stores as well too. So if you're in the area of WrestleCon, come check him out. I think he's even going to be making an appearance at WWE world. You never know where John's going to be, but we may be checking in a few times here, live on YouTube. And of course we're going to be talking about WrestleMania. 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And the exact quote, of course, later down from our podcast last week is, but I'm against the power slap. I just think that's what they're going to try to do is they're going to try to take somebody out who's got a good chance of knocking him out. They're going to try to rig it against him. Tons of guys that have gotten from WWE and from wrestling they bring them in and they give them some ringer and that guy could throw a shot and they know pretty much has a good chance of knocking them out and that's what happens. Well, one of our listeners, a friend of mine took issue with that. It turns out he's a producer for power slap. Let's welcome for the pro wrestling world, my friend in yours, Sin Bode. Sin, how are you man? I'm good. How are you guys? And we're fantastic. Thanks for jumping on with us. And I think you would have the briefly work together once a part of time in WWE, right? Yeah, I met, I met JBL as Kazarney when I was coming up from FCW and he was, I mean, greatest nickname ever. Yeah. 100%. I don't know if I could say percent, Carney, I'll give myself a seizure trying to put that one out. But yeah, no, it's always, it's always like with percent, do you do like both syllables? You know, Kurt Hitting could, you know, Kurt Hitting was the best Cardi Thug or whatever, but you always wonder about how many is, is this stick in there? I think I almost was, you know, when I met you, I was thinking, is he gonna be nice? Is he gonna be mean? What's he gonna be? You know, and you just, as you parts you just run all these scenarios in your head and you smiled at me and you came over and you said, good morning, Kazarney. You smile on your face and I thought he's either really nice or he's having mercy on me for me being saddled with that name and I couldn't figure out which it was. No, I love the name. I thought it was great. I thought it was really unique and I knew that, I knew that Vince would love that name, that whole gimmick. That was Vince's brainchild. Like I was a legit circus side show performer. I was a strong man, a pain tolerance guy. Like my threshold is ridiculous. I'm not a macho guy, but I have a good threshold. And so when I had my sit down with Vince in the first place, Jake the Snake, who is my coach, said, look, Vince is a big mark for the carnival stuff, pro wrestling started in the carnival. So don't say side shows, say carnival. And so we talked and we had a really great first meeting. And then the next day at the TVs, he's like, we're gonna call you Kazarney. It's Carney for Carney. You get a kid. So yes, yes, sir. I gives edit. Yeah, big time. I got it. You know, it's funny because Vince was Vince. One time I was talking to him and somebody had said something to me and he said, John, you got to understand you're in their world. They're what have you done as a wrestler? Doesn't matter. Because I was upset because I thought that they had the, you know, treated me because as an old wrestler. And I said, Vince, I said, if somebody treated you like a wrestling promoter, and he looked at me and I said, see, I can't even say it to you. You get so mad about it because it was hanging like being a restaurant. So that's really interesting that Vince had this fascination for the carnival as well. And all the working that went on with the carnival because there was that kind of love hate relationship that Vince had with the entire genre and wanting to take wrestling into entertainment. It's just kind of unique. Yes, sir. Well, I think that whole, that whole concept of the work and the con or the gag, everyone to call it, I think they sort of defined it in the carnival because if they legit kicked the crap out of each other, they wouldn't be good for very long. So I think they figured it would, they could facilitate more shows and sell more tickets and work the fans out of more money if they, if they, you know, through the work on top of it. And that's, I think that was all sort of enshrined in the carnival. So I, you know, I guess, like you said, it's a love hate relationship with that. So yeah. So tell me where I'm wrong about power slip because I want to mention, first of all, I'm not against power slip at all. People have their own rights to do whatever they want. My point was for WWE wrestlers, you better be careful because you get out there, you get knocked out on national television. And my thought was that the guys would load a ringer up against the wrestlers to get over their product because that's probably what I would do if I had it. But we're talking to you a little bit, pretty sure. I don't want to give you a bit away. Tell me where I'm wrong. So I think when I, when I heard, when I heard you guys speaking about it, I thought that you were thinking like that old school, like, all right, where's the con in this? Where's the work? And there, there is no, it's legit. Y'all, I don't mean to cut you off. I never thought it was a word at all. And I don't have any problem with power slip. I thought that you guys would load a ringer up against. That's what I mean. Like, I just mean like the con of like, where's the swerve in this? Like, like who's going to get, you know, thrown under the bus? That's what I meant. And it's, it's, couldn't be further from the truth. Like when I got hired, Dana White and his team hired me, because they got in their heads that, you know, they wanted new and interesting talent to compete in power slap. And they thought, but wrestlers, you know, they're fun, they're crazy, they're jumping off the ladders and tables and, you know, they can cut promos and they're probably on the indie level anyway, they're probably doing it for peanuts. So why don't we give them big opportunity, big money and, and see what happens. So enter Sin Bodhi, because I fly out somewhere every week. And I think I'm like the full Durham of pro wrestling at this stage of the game. So that suited them. Like I fly to some town, I wrestle on some big or small show. I wrestle some local, good guy or bad guy. I tell them, all right, more of this, less of this, tighten this up, do this, don't do this, do seminars. So being basically like a player coach, I think they figured I'd be a perfect guy to, and I've got a shoot background. I've got a martial arts background, a bodyguard background. So I think they figured I would be a good guy to be able to scout talent. And, and, and to, I, I actually, I give a shit about the wrestlers. I give a shit about everybody. I think it's my, my curse sometimes. So they wanted new talent to come in. And I took the job because it was explained to me that I would give the opportunities to guys and girls that may be an opportunity passed them by or something got screwed up or what have you. And trust me is, because Arnie, I understand, you know, that opportunities don't grow on trees. So it was exactly opposite. And, and now, I mean, you know, our slap is under that TKO umbrella with everybody, you know, UFC, WWE, PBR, Nitro Circus, there's, there's a lot of adjacent, you know, crazy shows under TKO. And we have a working relationship with WWE with talent relations. So something early on I facilitated was, hey, like talking back in the day, talking to Road Dog and Matt Bloom and these guys saying like, Hey, when you are doing your house cleaning and you get rid of, especially the younger guys and girls, you know, they're out in the cold. And that's a hard, that's a hard thing to process for a young wrestler. And, you know, they're going to try to, you know, shoot for a high payday on any shows that's going to be, you know, quickly realized is not happening. So let's give these guys and girls, you know, a lateral opportunity under TKO to again, make big money, you know, still be within the, on the radar. And, and so that's what we're doing. So it's not, it's exactly the opposite of throwing guys and girls under the bus. And a competition is a competition. So there's going to be winners and there's going to be losers. And that's just the sort of the stiff reality of it. So the point that you're saying is that you guys would not want to say your talent necessarily to go over on WWE former talent or where wrestlers like that, because the wrestlers are bringing more, more eyeballs because of what you've done. Yes, sir. And, you know, and different wrestlers, I mean, I'm a, I'm an individualist, I'm a capitalist, you know, whether it's an independent wrestler, whether it's a non wrestler, whether it's a former WWE wrestler, you know, I'm looking for guys and girls that want to break out of the mold. And again, it's snug, it's stiff. It's, it's not a, it's not a cakewalk by any means, but there's rules, there's regulations, there's, you know, the sanction is so strict and the wellness policies are so strict, the medical policies are so stringent. So nobody is getting this, this isn't in real life where it's going to be Rey Mysterio and Kane and in real life, I don't know how that would go, but that's not how things are booked here. Like things are, are booked with weight classes, sizes, experience levels. So like for Jake Hager, for example, like as awesome as Jake is, we didn't want to put him in there with somebody that has super duper experience at Power Slap because even though he's, he's former WWE champion, he's three and O Bellator, he's all American. Still, just, I think you, you had sort of said standing up there, just exchanging shots, you know, just you have to take the other guys best. So I think Jake can do that, but at the same time when somebody's, you know, got a few reps under their belt, they might just have figured out a better technique so far. So we wanted to give Jake somebody that would have comparable experience and, you know, size wise experience. And so who Jake is going against is Devin Jenkins. He's, I think he's maybe a hair heavier. He's a hair shorter. He's a former, he's a vet. And so, and again, these guys, you know, they're just looking for opportunities. And, you know, I've had some of the naysayers say, well, it's dangerous. It's scary. It's dangerous. It's this, it's that. It's no more scary than having some guy in sparkly on these pile drive you on in the middle of the ring, let alone on the concrete or catching a dive or doing all these things like the medical stats are really, really positive for power slap. I just have to say I love, love, love pro wrestling. I don't want to ever speak ill of it. As gangrally, you would always say, like, I, I, I owe wrestling everything. It owes me nothing. So I'm not here or anytime, you know, wanting to, you know, poop on pro wrestling. I think pro wrestling is amazing, but not every one of these guys and girls has room for a top spot at WWE or AEW or wherever. And those spots are so limited, but this is a legitimate chance for them to, you know, make a great payday to rise the ranks. I mean, the, I think the, the one champion, the, uh, the light heavyweight champion, I want to say you made six figures last year, you know, so, so it's, it's not too shabby as opposed to toiling the indies. Carney, I'm glad to hear this. Uh, you know, I, if you weren't there, I'm not sure that I would believe that who was there. Okay. Cause, cause it seems like either the best of interest, you know, to take care of your guys first, but you saying this, I trust you. And I'm proud to say that I was wrong. And, uh, I'm glad to hear that. I was never against Power Slap. I just got a little warned that WWE guys are wrestlers. And I still warn these guys, uh, not because of, you know, somebody that the, might stick a ringer in there, which I thought might happen. But you know, it's like when Mark Henry went to do the world's strongest man, I believe the second time I believe it was Mark's told the story that Vince said, now, you know, we don't have a place for the second strongest man in the world. Right. You know, it's, it is a, it is a risk. I mean, you're rolling dice, but that's, that's how you make it live. Now, Jake Hager, that's a big tough dude. I can't wait to watch. I was going to watch it no matter what. I love Jake. He's, he's a good human being. And absolutely. I broke in Jake, uh, back in the day, I, I went at NFCW is where we, we met. And I mean, I wrestled him a whole bunch and doc, Dr. Tom and Kern would put me in there and say, all right, show him this and smooth them out and this and that. And they knew I could take the hits and I'd be, you know, you know, I'm about it. Nice about it. I think Jake ran me into a buckle one time so hard. He picked me up in a bear huff. Like I was, I was, I was, I was rocky and he was thunder lips and he's so tall. He ran me in that buckle and turned me backwards. And I, I don't think I slept in my tummy for about eight years after that. You know, so Jake is a hard hitting dude and I, I'm no slouch, but man, he picked me up like I was a box in the back of a U-Haul. So he's strong as they call it. Jake did well in MMA. I mean, Jake's a really, he's a really talented, tough guy. He can take a hit. He can take a hit. And again, like you said, you said last week, like, you know, standing there just taking somebody's best. Like, I think if anybody can, can weather that storm, it's, is Jake Hager and yeah, I think you mentioned Heath. So you mentioned Heath Slater last week. So I was the one that called Heath. He was one of the first people I, I thought to call because, you know, he's, he's looking for opportunities. He was, he was in between, you know, NWA or TNA and WWE and everything. So I thought, you know, he's got kids, you know, so get the guy at payday and I think he would draw. I think people would go, holy crap, there's some actual, not just indie guys, not to condescend or downplay indie guys, but there's some actual WWE names on there. Like, man, I got to stay tuned and see what's going on with this. But, but to your point too, you know, if, if, if the WWE guy goes down or repeatedly, that doesn't make it wrestlers look so good. So it is certainly within my best interest to, you know, yeah, it's a real risk, you know, is anything is, you know, when you do an outside competition like that, you know, you go out and you fight MMA or something, you know, Jake Hager took the same risk when he fought MMA, you know, he loses those matches, you know, it hurts him, his ability to draw a professional wrestling. He won those matches and won them easily. And so it it enhanced his ability, you know, but it's a real risk, you know, same risk Mark Henry took when he entered the world's strongest man, I believe it was, it was for a second time, you know, when he wins it, all of a sudden he becomes the man, the man, you know, but if something would have happened, you know, of course, that's why these guys like Michael Jordan and these guys who are great athletes, that's why they, they roll the dice like this, you know, you know, I put Mark Henry certainly in that category, world's strongest man, you know, but that's, that's, that's the risk you take. How is, how is power slap doing? It's doing phenomenally. I think we were just under 2.4 billion views on, on YouTube. I mean, there are millions and millions and millions of dollars that they put in the bank. I mean, it's doing really well. It's growing by the week, like every show, the numbers go up and up and up and between sponsors, ticket sales, all the YouTube clicks and all that kind of stuff, like they're generating money hand over fist. We're taking it all over the world. We've been to, we've been to Saudi, we've been all over the States, we're going to expand and we're still going this, this year, I believe we're going back into Saudi, just, you know, given, you know, the situation over there. So we're just waiting for the coast to be clear, so to speak, but I want to say we're going into Europe and, and beyond. So I mean, this is a great way for these guys and girls to, again, just take an opportunity that might not have been there otherwise. Like, I mean, how many, how many main event spots are there at WWE or Raw or SmackDown or NXT or LFG or all over any, any of the shows? There's only X amount of spots and, you know, again, like I was saying, you know, when these guys get that released, man, if you're a lawyer and you get canned, there's a million other law firms. If you're a stripper and you get canned, there's a million other strip clubs. When you're a pro wrestler and you get canned, there's not a lot of options. So what can you do with our bizarre set of skills? You know, you maybe be a stuntman, be a bodyguard, if you've got good gift for gab, you can be a real estate guy, I suppose, trying to, you could sell a clothesline, you could sell a house, you know, so, so how many things can we really do with that? But it's not in the ring. And this is at least competing and having fans cheer. And, you know, it's, it pays very well. It's pays super duper well. And I've got no problems discussing that pay scale too. I mean, that's the allure as well, you know, beating your family. Yeah. I noticed you put lawyers and strippers together. They're pretty close, right? They're both selling lies, you know, right? So, yes, yes, they are. Isn't that why pro wrestlers and strippers always got along, right? We're all just selling lies and skimpy spandex. So that's right. That's what that's why, you know, me and Ron, everyone's everyone's a strip bar. You know, we're like, we're workers. We don't need to go to much more workers work. You know, there you go. There you go. Yes. Are you different? Are you special? No, she's thinking about her laundry. She's thinking about picking up her, you know, baby or whatever. She's just, she's working and selling and, and, and the fans are, you know, we're all marks, right? So there you have it. I can't help myself. You said, uh, you're comfortable talking about the pay scale. I know that there's a lot of maybe misconceptions about this out there. I know on the WWE and the AEW, just on the pro wrestling side, it's, it's based on negotiation and it feels kind of arbitrary. Once upon a time in the UFC, they had like an entry level. Hey, if you're trying to get your feet wet in the UFC, here's kind of everybody's first UFC deal. And then build from there. And obviously when you get to the tippy top and you're approving draw, then, then you can participate in pay per views. That's of course the old way the UFC did biz. What is the power slap model from a compensation standpoint now in 2026? So as, as guys and girls move up, the payday does go up, but right from the bottom, the, the, the lowest of starter pays is you step up to the plate and it's one match a night. There's not like any kind of tournament style or anything like that. It's your, your sanction for one match per show. All right. So John, right now, I think it's fair to say the entire internet is wondering, does WWE need to get their house in order? And maybe you need to get your house in order. And you should do it. 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If you win, you're walking away with 10 grand. And if you're one of the lucky ones that gets a bonus just for a performance, however, Dana sort of sees fit, you're walking away with 20k. So for an indie guy to make 20k in one night, on the Indies, he's going to wrestle for a million years. That's how that's kind of done. Indie guys are making between 20 bucks and 200 bucks on an indie show. I'm just talking about just straight independent wrestlers that have no TV time to lean on. But yeah, 5k to play, 10k to win, 20k for a bonus. So for instance, Scott Marshall, he was an independent wrestler, wasn't getting any opportunities for anything. He's a decent wrestler and he's a hilarious dude and great guy, very flamboyant character. I booked him on there and he knocked his opponent out with the first swing and the first round, boom, 20 grand. Then he came back the next month and knocked out his second opponent, first swing, first round, boom, 20 grand. So in a month, an indie wrestler made 40 grand for taking a risk. And now he's got promoters, knocking down his doors, got bookings left and right, got merchandise left and right. So he's off to the races. And I mean, that's what I hope for everybody really. Like if I could wave a magic wand and have everybody be successful, I would. But again, this is the meritocracy you put in the work and you've got a mean hand and a solid chin and you're going to make money. So this was all born out of us talking about Jake Hager making his Power Slab debut. I know that's going to happen next week. I want you to tell us about that, but we are on a pro wrestling podcast. Can you rattle off some of the former or current professional wrestlers who participated in Power Slab? And how they've done. Sure. Okay. So, and some of them have done great. Some of them not so great. And again, there's, there's got to be a winner and there's got to be a loser. Marty the moth, former lucha underground heavyweight champion. He was a tough enough guy back in the day. Awesome wrestler, awesome guy. He won his first match against Ziggy Dice, who was another, you know, crazy wrestler. They did that over in Abu Dhabi. Marty won. But it was, it was a pretty hard hitting contest. And Hailey J, Hailey Hood, Hollywood Hailey J. She's from the Netflix OVW show, The Wrestlers. She's from Wow. And she's one and oh, she's she's one, she lost one. And she'll be competing this week. Sam Carter's Jake. And, you know, she's fun to watch. She's good TV. She's crazy. I saw her down in OVW working for Alistair. Her mother is an agent down there. And her mother was a wrestler as well. And yeah, because mom wanted to do it. I'm like, you, you can't do it. There's also like part of the sanction is, is the age, the age factor. No disrespect to to mama, Hailey J. But like, for instance, for me, like when I, when I signed on to do this, I said, well, if I'm going to book these guys and girls to do it, then let me do it. Like, I'm not going to, you know, I'm never going to ask anybody like I book shows that book, you know, pro wrestling shows, I do all sorts of stuff. I'm a, I'm a jackass of all trades. I do a lot of stuff. But I can't expect somebody to do something I wouldn't do. Like, you know, I teach at a wrestling school in Las Vegas, Future Stars Wrestling. I don't teach moonsaults because I can't even spell moonsault. I've never done one. I did one once and I almost killed myself with the, with Brian Danielson and I'm never doing it again. So, you know, I wouldn't expect anybody to do anything that I wouldn't do. I could take a hit just fine. I mean, I've been in there with, you know, King Kong Bundy and the road warriors and the Steiner brothers and earthquake and guys that I don't know we're technically human and I'm still here and they were all super sweet and super nice. But man, they hit like, like that, that house falling on the witch in Oz. Like they, they hit you like a, like they're dropping a piano on you as you would know. And I'm still here. So, you know, and again, just doing some of the, the other shoot stuff that I've done, like I could take a hit and they said, well, you're, you're age range, you're out of the sanction, you can't compete. And so it's sort of the running gag that every time I go into UFC for a meeting about power slap, they always say no to my first question, question is, can I compete? And they say, no. So the age bracket is 21 to 40, they will push it to 43, 44. If there's some extraordinary circumstances, for instance, Jake, Jake is in his early 40s. But I mean, you know, Jake Hager is, Jake Hager, he's former WWE champion, three in Ovelator, all American, all American American, you know, so I mean, that's, that's, that's a get. And he was my first, when I got the job, Jake was the first guy that popped into my head. He was my first call and he was my first pitch. And Dana and his team were like, yep, we want him. And so here he is. And what are the wrestlers you had? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. We all get dropped in our heads for a living, right? Sorry about my trade with thought sometimes. So who else? So Mecca Wolf, I think he were referencing Mecca Wolf. So again, I was, I rode with Mecca Wolf to the airport when he was, he was on his way to do it, do the power slap. We're in Mexico together. Yes, sir. So he, he got clobbered in the first round, he never got to fire off a shot, but he won. Like he made the, he made the 10k because the other guy got disqualified, the guy hit him illegally, and, and, and knocked him out. So he won, but I mean, who would want to win like that? So he was itching to come back. And the next match he had against was another independent wrestler named Edgerus Wolf. And I personally think Mecca Wolf should have won that. I think it was, it was a judge's decision. And sometimes I don't know that, like in anything, sometimes the referees don't get it right. The, you know, the judges don't get it right. You know, on the scoreboards. But in my opinion, I thought Mecca Wolf won that second one, but they went pretty even. But I would have thought Mecca Wolf had had the win, but the other guy got it by like a point. Yeah. Who else? He's a good guy. Mecca Wolf is a really good guy. Yes, he is. And it's a terrific wrestler, by the way. A great pro wrestler. Yeah, he's awesome. He's absolutely awesome. He'll be on the show as well. And there hasn't been a whole ton of wrestlers. Like I've had, excuse me, I've had a bunch of wrestlers come in for the combines. And that's basically where they kind of get shown the techniques and the rules. And then they go through the media and the anti-doping. And they learn everything they need to do and how to practice. And they get with the coaches. And then from there, the team picks the matches. So there hasn't been a whole ton of pro wrestlers. But when I first arrived on the scene, it was met with both, oh man, that's going to be amazing. Pro wrestlers are going to be competing. And we were also met with a bunch of funny, baloney wrestlers. We'll keep the crap out of them. So there was that dual mindset. And I remember a couple of guys were, you know, some were really friendly and a couple guys were a bit of a burn my saddle. And I just remember asking the office, I'm like, look, how do you want me to handle these guys? Can I fire back at them? Can I, you know, you want me to kill them with kindness? Would you want me to just be silent? And they said on social media, they don't respond like a fighter, like communicate with these guys. So, you know, as we've had private conversations, I'm pretty sure that they see it my way now. And they realize that pro wrestlers have brought eyes to the show. And it's only made the shows bigger and bigger gates, bigger pay days, bigger views, bigger sponsorships, everything's growing. And so, you know, I could complain about that. No, nobody can complain. And of course, power slap is going down next weekend in Las Vegas. It's next Friday night at the Cosmopolitan, at least two pro wrestlers on the card. You've seen your Hollywood Haley from the wrestlers on Netflix and Jake Hager, former WWE world champion, going to be doing their thing and power slap in Las Vegas tickets are on sale now at powerslap.com. And if you're not in Las Vegas and you want to watch this event, how can we watch them? It's on the powerslap channel on YouTube. You can watch it for free there. And just to answer JBL's question, just so I'm not a totally, I can focus just a tiny bit, you know, again, with all the chair shots and piled drivers and the darts thrown at me and all that silly nonsense. But Marty will be on this show again. Lance Aniwahi will be on this show. Ashira from OVW, from the Netflix, the wrestlers will be on the show. Basad will be on the show. Chelsea Dodson, Zoe DuBois, Jeslyn Michelle, Desi Arata, aka Desi Arata. Becker Wolf will be on the show. Danny Moe will be on the show. And Roddy Piper's daughter, Teal Piper will be on the show. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. So I remember, so the main team, you know, there's Dana, Hunter and Frank, and they're like, she's coming out to bagpipes, right? I'm like, hell yeah, she's coming out to bagpipes. They're like, let's go. So they were all, they were very happy about it. I had no idea. I got to tell you, I, I'm looking forward to this. I've seen a ton of clips of powerslap. I meant to go last year in New Orleans and missed you, traveled, didn't work out, but I'm not going to miss this one. This sounds like it's loaded with performers that I actually enjoy. But how about the daughter of a legend signed me up? Roddy Piper's daughter mixing it up in powerslap. Did you know this was coming, John? Had no idea. Absolutely no idea. This is something Roddy would have done. There's no doubt about it. So again, to go to your, you know, to last week, you're talking about like stacking the deck against the, you know, wrestlers or what have you. Again, you know, with all of them, but especially like, I'm old school, I'm chivalrous, you know, I really don't want to see a woman get hit, you know, I don't, you know, like watching women wrestlers, they're awesome. They're scarier than most of the dudes. I think we all know that, you know, like I'm afraid of no man or beast, but my little five foot midget wife scares the shit out of me. So I appreciate how dangerous the women are. But as far as Teal, you know, I'm respectful to all the guys, all the girls, but Roddy Piper was really, really good to me back in the day. He was always kind. He always had words of advice. And he, what little ego that I do have, Roddy Piper put me over to the moon in front of my wife backstage. We were in, we were, we shared a box together at the WrestleMania that Jake was inducted. And, and he was so kind and so complimentary. And he said it right in front of my wife, which to me was sort of a mental championship belt. And I mean, he was the first wrestler I really, really latched onto as a kid. Like I remember watching War to Settle the Score and watching him with, with Hogan. And I grew up with Edge. So he was a big Hogan mark. So I was a big Piper mark. And we would always put horns about that. I mean, I can't tell you how many times me and Edge fought in the backyard in a recess. And he was Hulk Hogan and I was Roddy Piper. But I told her, I said, look, you're here because you're talented. You're here because you deserve an opportunity. And I'll be watching out for you because I really, really loved your old man. And so like, I got you. So I made sure, you know, everything was sorted for her. Made sure she was comfortable, answered all her questions. And the last thing I would want to do is offend somebody that I respect. And, you know, I know Piper will be watching from, you know, from, from the ether. And the last thing I want to do is cross the pearly gates and then have them hot at me about something. So I want him to be happy watching this kid get a great opportunity. Well, thanks for jumping on with this man. This was a fantastic surprise. I think nobody really knew what to expect. I hate that we went viral for some negative comments, but we have educated the pro wrestling world today on power slap. Hope you guys will check it out and support these guys and gals trying to make a living. It's going down next Friday at the Cosmopolitan Las Vegas or watch for free on YouTube. Sin. Thanks for all the time today, man. This was great. No problem. Can I tell you this one thing really quick before you guys kick me out? Nick Khan is a big power slap man. UFC, WWE and power slap, you know, everything is all on, you know, under that TKO umbrella. So when wrestlers are thinking that, oh, if you do power slap, it's going to hurt your chances at WWE or what have you, it is not. I would say from, from what little that I've been around triple H, I mean, I've coached at the PC, you know, I've been around him. I was around him for a tiny, tiny bit as Kazarney, but really more around him, you know, at the PC. I would just have to say that he would admire somebody for having the testicular fortitude for trying something, whether they were good at it or not, versus being too scared to try. And again, not being too scared to take any opportunity it would get to follow the dreams, whether it led back to WWE or what have you. So I just want people to know that, you know, if you're an aspiring wrestler, this is a really great place to be seen. This is just another, you know, another crazy adventure that you can make something out of it. And it's up to you. That's what I've got to say. So I'm ready to do the job. There you go. If somebody is listening right now and they're interested in talking to you about power slap, do you have an email you want to share or what does that process look like? Sure. They can, I'm a pretty personable guy. Some of the office guys won't respond. They're, they're busy doting i's and crossing t's. I respond to everybody. Just send me a DM in my social media on my Instagram. It's sinbode, S-I-N-N-B-O-D-H-I. You can also, you can submit on the website, on the powerslap.com website and just put attention, sinbode, either way. I can leave you my email. Let's find two. It's sbode at powerslap.com. And there you go. So yeah, if you want to take the chance and you want to feed your family, and that's it. Like this is life changing money for a lot of guys and girls, let alone opportunity. You know, like, I mean, I totally understand if you've got a lot of money in the bank or if you've, you know, you've gotten yourself to a certain, you know, pay grade in life and you don't need to take this chance. No problem. But if you are hungry and you're trying to pay those bills, you got, you know, you got kids, you know, whatever it is, then this is a really, really great opportunity. Yeah. And then, Cardi, I want to bring up not only if you need the money, but a lot of guys just want to compete. Yeah. And I, like I said, I never want to be the face of something negative. I hate that shit that came out last week about that, you know, because I was never against Power Slap. But a lot of guys want to compete and a lot of guys see an opportunity here that they think they can do well at this. And that's, that doesn't matter about money to them. As far as that's concerned, you know, some of it is about you make, you make pretty good change. Some of it also is about opportunity. And you know, that's why you guys, you know, get into boxing or get into MMA or get into basketball or get into, you know, football or anything, you know, it's a lot of it's just opportunity. And here, look at it like this as well. Like, you know, if, if, if you're wrestling said wrestler, are you winning? No, you're going over or you're doing the favor. And who's deciding that? Not either of those wrestlers. This, it's the guy or girl with the pencil. Whereas this is not that this is, if you're the better, if you got the better hand and you got the better chin, you are winning. So there was a big allure for me in that. You know, I mean, I love pro wrestling. And I'm thrilled to wrestle whoever any promoter puts in front of me, but not that I'm Chuck Norris or anything. But if I had a nickel for everybody I laid down to that I could have legit beaten the shit out of, I have a lot of, a lot of nickels, you know, so for a pro wrestler that is not getting the opportunities he or she deserves or what have you, this is again, this is a meritocracy. You put in the work, you reap the rewards. You want to compete, you know, you want, you just legally want to hit somebody. This is the place for you. You want to get a giant payday? This is the place for you. If you want a giant opportunity that is adjacent to WWE, Hollywood, whatever, this is the place for you. So there's so many levels of allure to this. Can you set it up where we had like just a everybody punches Tony Chimmel? I would love it. I would love it. And Kiota too. I saw him on there. I'll see him. He'll be a guest at the show on Friday. A bunch of other legends will be there too. Mike's the best guy. I love Kiota. Everybody does. Yes, absolutely. He was just, I got him some VIP tickets to it because they wanted, they want a bunch of legends in the front row for this because usually they bump power slap right up against UFC. But seeing as it's WrestleMania week in Las Vegas, they're bumping it up to WrestleMania, obviously. So Dana and his team wanted to lace the front row with a bunch of legends. So Jake, the snake will be there. You know, Godfather be there. A lot of wrestlers will be there and we need a referee to keep them all, you know, babe, right? So Kiota will be there. That's right. I love that. Well, check it out. Power slap next Friday on YouTube. Thanks for all the time today, Sam. We appreciate it. Thank you, sir. Thank you, boys. Thank you. Thank you. JCW lunacy new episodes every Thursday night at 7pm on YouTube for over 25 years. JCW has delivered the very best in pro wrestling entertainment, bringing fans deep storytelling drama, gut busting coming and unbelievable in ring action from wild characters to unforgettable rivalries. Don't miss a single moment. Tune in every Thursday night at 7pm on YouTube. JCW lunacy. All right, John, one of my favorite segments every week here on something to wrestle. We call it wrestle worth and I love this. It's like antique road show for wrestling memorabilia. Of course, this craze really got kicked off when the WrestleMania one boots from Hulk Hogan sold for over a million dollars and who exactly sold that heritage auctions. And today from heritage, our pal Tony joins us again. Tony, what's going on, man? How are you? Great to be here. This is my last day in my 40s. Tomorrow I turn 50. So, uh, Oh, happy birthday. Happy early birthday, Tony. Congratulations. That's awesome. Absolutely. We, we, uh, we hope you have a big strip club celebration for you. I will be in independence, Ohio for a sports show this weekend. So, um, probably not, probably not. Well, what I am excited about though is each and every week, you're telling us and showing us some really cool items that history has lost and now found. And I got an interesting text last week, John. Tony sent me a text and said, boy, do I have a surprise for you. So I'm, I'm waiting here with faded breath. What'd you find, Tony? What do we got? So we got Pat Patterson's WWF, WWE Hall of Famer. And, um, the family had it. They didn't really know what to do with it and, um, they sent it in. And the thing about this is this is one of the earliest known Hall of Famer rings has ever surfaced. I believe it started in 1994. Andre the Giant was the, the only, um, enshriney of the first class. And Pat Patterson, of course, the first Intercontinental champion, referee at WrestleMania one in the main event. And you know, he was in WWE, it's, you know, up until the end, uh, just what a figure. And again, I mean, a Hall of Famer rings, they're very personal and they rarely get out there. And this one, when they called us about it, I jumped. I'm like, they were up, they were up in Canada. And, uh, it's a beautiful ring. But I think what really sets it apart from a lot of the other ones that, that have surfaced, this is the earliest known. And anytime you've got something from the beginning, it's always really special. And, uh, it's a beautiful ring, great engravings on it. And it does have his name on the inside on the inner band of the ring. So came directly from his family. This is going to be in our Platinum Night auction coming up in August. And we're very excited to have it. John, this is pretty cool because this really predates the Hall of Fame that we know now. You know, this goes back, I guess Andre went in in the, in the very first year as the solo inductee. And then they did it for a few years, then they kind of shelved the idea, John, and the Hall of Fame was reintroduced in 2004. And I think that's when they started instituting rings. John, to the best of your knowledge, and I know I'm putting you on the spot here, but do you imagine in 2004, WWE went back retroactively to everyone who went in the Hall of Fame prior and delivered them rings? Because as far as I know, Pat Patterson, I mean, even this ring says WWE on it has the WWE logo on it before the scratch and all that was even a thing during the attitude era. So I'm curious, do we think that Pat may have received this in the 04 timeframe? Does that make sense? Are you judging by the way the WWE logo looks? Well, I just know they didn't do rings until 2004, and Pat went in in 93 or 94, rather. So I think back then it was just a plan. So I'm curious when, obviously Pat is the Yoda of professional wrestling, but I'm saying I'm curious when did they retroactively go back? Yeah, that's a great question. And I don't know the answer. I would assume they went back in 2004. Vince was very good about sending stuff to people. He was very good about giving stuff to people, especially to where member B is stuff. He's incredible. For one, Vince is a very generous guy, but he's also very good at marketing and knows that that's important. I was at the 96 Hall of Fame, I guess, when Heenan could barely talk and got two standing ovations in the middle of his speech. It was absolutely unbelievable. Those old Hall of Fame were fun. They were banquets. We'd get together and have banquets, and guys would give their speech. Everybody had too much to get over served with drinks, and then they'd get the plaques. So I would assume that this came out in 2004, the ring that went to Pat. You know what's funny? Bobby Heenan went in in 2004. I think that's awesome that you said, hey, you remember Heenan being inducted, and that's the same year that they introduced the ring concept. So Heenan was unbelievable. Conrad, you got to go back and listen to it. You can barely understand that. He was losing his voice already, and he was not having the effects of the health issues. He got two standing ovations in the middle of his speech. It was one of the craziest things I've ever seen. That's why I say, when you're talking about who's the greatest announcer of all time, you're talking about who's number two, because Heenan's number one. Nobody's going to take that spot. But yeah, the Hall of Fame were just awesome. And he had this ring from Pat Patterson. Pat is, except for maybe Vince, probably the most influential character. One of the most influential characters in wrestling. Pat did everything. When I was there, when I first went in, Pat literally would take over entire matches. He did all the main events. Pat was just, he was an unbelievably intelligent human being. The first Intercontinental Champion, the man who created the Royal Rumble, and he went in the Hall of Fame back in 1996. And I got to tell you, John, I got back into wrestling in 1996. So I was in tune with this. It was the night before Survivor Series and Madison Square Garden. I think you were with the company. Were you at the 96? I was there. Was that the banquet? Yeah, I had a blast at it. It was a lot of fun. Jimmy Superfly Snooka was in that class along with Johnny Rods, Killer Kowalski, Captain Lou Albano, Pat Patterson. How about Vincent J. McMahon, inducted by Shane McMahon? That was a big class, man. And this is a great ring, a great find. What a legacy Pat Patterson leaves behind. You know, Chris Jericho is famously referred to him as the Yoda of wrestling. Dave Meltzer said, you know, besides Vince McMahon, Pat Patterson is the most influential person in the last 40 years of professional wrestling. So with all that said, mind, what do you think the value of this particular Hall of Fame ring would be, Tony? We're going to do a 20,000 estimate on it, but I think it's going to far exceed that. We have sold rings in the past. We had Dory Funk Junior's ring, which sold for right around 20,000. But keep in mind, Dory Funk Junior's ring was like five years ago. So it's really developed a lot more since then. It wouldn't shock me if this did 30,000, maybe even up to 40,000, given that the industry is so much different than what it was five years ago. And, you know, I mean, it's a big name too as well. I mean, Dory Funk Junior is a great name too. But Patterson being involved for so long, I think really, I think it's more like a 30 to 40,000 ring. Wow. What a cool item. That is a really, really cool surprise. I do have actually have a surprise for you, but I think you have one other item, including perhaps the most rare autograph of all. Yeah, this one really surprised me. Somebody sent in a photo of this and it was Andre the Giant. Now Andre, kind of after the back surgery in 86, 87, it was extremely difficult to get his autograph. He didn't want to be bothered and people gawk and add him and everything. And it was really hard to get his autograph. So when this inquiry came in, I was floored. And this one is authenticated by PSA DNA. It's an Andre the Giant photo, but it's circa 1992. This, I believe, was signed when he was in Japan, right at the end of his life. Look at the hair. He looks older and he looks in a little bit rougher shape. This is definitely after the WWF days. This is right toward the end of his life. And when it was extremely difficult to find it and to get his autograph, and you might see an occasional promo shot from 1987, 1988 with the Black Scrap Singlet. But this one here is the latest Andre I have ever seen. And that one came in this week and that's probably a 10 to 15,000 dollar photo. For the longest time, Andre autographs were, you know, 5,000 for a nice 8 by 10. But we've had extremely good luck with selling Andre photos. We've been getting about 10,000. We did sell a Jean Parais for 15,000 last year. So just, you know, it's so hard. It's so hard to get an Andre autograph, but it's so difficult to get them passed by the authenticators because there's a lot of fakes out there and there's a lot of people trying to pass off Andre autographs. It's not that he had a ghost sign or anything like that. It's just as the years went on, the access to him was very, very small. And one of the things I love doing is looking at some of the wrestling fan photos that people post on Facebook all the time. And you'll see Hogan, you'll see Savage, you'll see Vince McMahon, you'll see Stephanie McMahon. The one you never see with fans posing is Andre the Giant. And for some reason, you know, he just, they kind of kept him, I think he wanted his privacy, especially as he was, you know, kind of aging a bit. And he just didn't sign a lot of autographs. And this one here, because it's so late in his life, I would expect it to be in the $15,000 range. But again, everything in wrestling is up now. And we're very excited to have this one. Tony, do you have a group of people that you know they're going to pay this? I mean, I could say this is going to be sell for $15,000. Do you have like a list of people that want things like this that you know for sure are going to post? I mean, it just, that's a terrific price. But big price too. What is the audience for this? There's a huge audience because Andre the Giant, you know, you've got the Princess Bride, you've got, you know, fans of the output, the wrestling fans because his autograph is so hard to find. There's a built-in market for him. I mean, him on a scrap of paper is $2,500 to $3,000. And you know, anything early, anything late is, it takes on a whole different level of meaning. And yeah, I've got guys that are looking for anything they can get of his, you know, going back to the Jean-Ferret days. And you know, sometimes he'd just signed Andre. He would do Andre the Giant. We actually have a really cool one coming up, which will be at Russell Conn. We have his California Athletic Commission application. And he signed it, Andre Rusimov. But it's all in his handwriting. And then he signed Andre. And that's going to be coming up. And that was from 1988. But there's a tremendous, tremendous amount of people looking for his autograph. It's kind of the white whale, the holy grail for fans and collectors as well, just because they're just not out there. Well, how about that? If you've got an Andre autograph, you got to be happy right now. And by the way, if you've got something in your man cave, something on your mantel, something on your shelf, and you're wondering, Hey, what is that word? Well, you can find out here. Email us, wrestleworth at gmail.com. We're always looking for your stories and your items. I've already got one lined up for you up my sleeve next week, Tony, but I thought, why not actually give you a real surprise today? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the program. Maybe the best WWE referee of all time, the one and only Mike Kiota. Mike, how are you, man? All right, guys, what's happening? How you doing, man? What up, hood? What's up, hood? Good to see you, bro. Good to see you, my brother. How are you, Michael? Good, brother. Last time I saw you. Hey, Mike, I got bad news for you. I'm sorry to tell you this. Chimble is still alive. I'm sorry to tell you that. I feel terrible that I got to give you this bad news this early in the morning, but Chimble is still with us. He's actually getting hip surgery this week. Oh my God, that's like a giraffe with strep throat. That's like major surgery. There's like an elephant with a running nose. Oh, man, I miss you, brother. God, man. Always popping me. Fuck. How you guys doing, Conrad? Tim, happy birthday coming up, by the way. And I second that all about Pat Patterson, by the way. And I love Pat Patterson. He was an icon, a mentor to me. One of the best wrestlers I thought of his time and one of the best agents and producers of all time. And Mike, you know, he's first, Mike Lee is second. And that thing about Andre's autograph, you're absolutely right, man, because you know how many times I've wanted to get Andre's autograph, but it was too scared to get it. Wow. I have a picture of me and Tony Chimble actually carrying carrying him at the time when he had his end of his career out of the ring. He was, you know, I had him on one under his shoulder. Well, I mean, I was still far away from his shoulder, but we had him under the arms and I had a photo of that. Somebody had gave me a photo and I never got it signed by Andre. And that's, it is a tough autograph to get. I was just too scared at the time, especially in my green days, you know? Well, we're excited to have you here with us. We've got real WWE royalty with us. And imagine my surprise this past weekend, Tony, when I got a text from my buddy Mike and he said, Hey man, hypothetically, do you know anybody who may be interested in the referee shirt I wore for the WrestleMania 18 match between Hulk Hogan and the rock? So not only does he have his referee shirt for maybe the most famous WrestleMania match of all time, but it's also autographed by both performers, the rock and Hulk Hogan. But that's not enough. Mike had the foresight that night to say, you know what, I'm keeping a turnbuckle from this match too. He's got an actual turnbuckle from the match between the rock and Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania 18. You see the autographs there. There's an inscription there. And when you think about provenance, Tony, and you think about the history of what the item is and how we got the item, it doesn't get better than it was the third man in the ring. And you can even see the inscription here. Mike, why don't you tell us what that says? Yeah, it says, well, the first one says to Chichi, thank you for making history. And Adrien, come through the rock, you know, you're boy the rock. And the other one says to Coyote. Now there's a little bit of a story here, right? And when Hogan signed, see, when I started in 85 with the Hulkster and everything, Hulk Hogan and all the guys back in the day, Razor, Mo, and Greg Ballantyne and no way back demolition, but a bunch of kids, Hogan called me Coyote. So he nicknames me Coyote because I was always going out late at night howling at the moon and stuff like chasing those young girls and all these different countries and everything and still making, still getting up to them production. But I was just always out late at night. So, and then, you know, so when Brock comes along later on in the years, you know, he says, and he was like Coyote, your nicknames Coyote. I was like, yeah, I got a tattoo on my back, Coyote with wolves and, you know, this and that and Coyotes around it. And yeah, he goes, man, I don't like that nickname. I said, what do you mean you don't like that? I said, that's my nickname. I don't make my nickname. I didn't make it, you know, I said, Hogan made it up years ago. And he goes, I like Tee-Tee, Teota. He goes, I like Tee-Tee, Teota. And I'm like, Tee-Tee, can't call me Tee-Tee. I'm like, I don't like that name, you know. So next thing you know, we started calling me Tee-Tee everywhere and then everybody picks up on what the rock says. And my nickname turned out to be Tee-Tee at that point. You know, and then later on, like years later, a girl star called me Kiki. And I'm like, Brock Kiki, when Shane McMahon comes back with AJ Styles and he comes back and he has this big match with AJ Nighton. He's surgery makes me come back early to do his match, calls me and then we're at the shows one day before the rest of the meeting comes up and everybody's calling me Kiki. And he's asking Kiki, oh, we'll get Kiki. He comes up to me, he goes, who the fuck names you Kiki? And I'm like, he's like, what happened to Coyote? I'm like, oh, that shit was long gone. Shane, you know. Shane was gone from the business for quite some years. He was like, that is a fucking shitty ass name. He's like, you got to stop that. And people call you that. I'm like, I know, I don't know how to do that. So the nicknames, that's where it started from 85 to when the rock showed up and then late, you know, the 90s and stuff like that. I was called Coyote and they turned to Tee-Tee. And then at this point, I think it's still that Kiki, but some of the old school guys still call it Coyote. Some of them call me Tee-Tee. It's weird. What a cool item. What an incredible match. Of course, we know. What a great story. It's awesome. Three and a half decades, I went through three nicknames, you know, now I'm shithead. I'm not gonna sling Trimble's dipshit. You can give me to the cursor. Tony, what an item. What a story. What a legacy. You know, one of the most beloved matches in history, two of the biggest icons in the history of wrestling. He was the third man in the ring. It doesn't get a better paper trail than this. What do you think in the value of this may be for Heritage Auction? So there are a lot of selling points on this piece. First of all, coming from Mike, that's the biggest thing. You know, so many times people say, where'd you get it from? And someone will say, I got it on eBay or I just got it. So that's the one thing. The American flag, the WWF logo just evolved. And there's a lot of personality on this piece. And the thing that really sets us apart. I say this all the time, talking about sports items, talking about wrestling items. Yes, you are buying the piece, but you're also buying the story. And that story that he just told us is priceless. And now, obviously, the Rocks autograph is very valuable. Hogan signed a lot, but the inscriptions that both of these guys did for him, they're coming from Mike with the turnbuckle, you're probably in that 15 to $20,000 range. Usually referee shirts don't go for a crazy amount, but this one is entirely different because the story, the autograph, the inscription, the turnbuckle, and it's such a historic match. People pay for history. People pay for historic items. And that is an unbelievable piece with the patches on there, with Mike's, you know, with those autographs on there, I would say 15 to 20,000 would be the probably the right estimate on it. But again, you get two guys going after it. And who knows what it could go for, it could go for events significantly more because it's not just the shirt, you got the turnbuckle coming from the referee. So it's a historic piece. And something like that is not really going down in in value at all because it's a match. We all remember two icons, kind of almost one passing the porch to the other and coming right from him and that photo, you know, in our industry now, now we photo match. So yes, it comes from Mike, it's great, but they could actually photo match that shirt with the stripes, the patches and everything as well. There's a lot going here. There's a lot going on, and it's all positive. And I think 15 to 20,000 would probably be the right. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's that's a good starting point, right? So I mean, I mean, the turnbuckle, you know, I did crew for 23 years, right? My first 23 years and referee, you know, I started in 87, made my debut on TV 89. But I had the options to grab those turnbuckles because I did crew. And I knew something like, you know, when Jericho pitched all night, all day, said, this match should not, we should not be the last match to hope and there's no way we're going to be able to follow this, you know. And I had, like, you know, after I wasn't really, you know, I knew something that was special at night, you know, did I know it was going to be one of the best matches of all time in WrestleMania? No, I did not. You know, so I did take two turnbuckles, you know, I'm going to keep one for myself, that's for sure. And, you know, it's just even in that moment in that photo, there's a little story behind that. You know, like, I didn't want to get in the shot in the middle of the shot. I was kind of trying to stay way off and let them focus on the face off, which I see so many referees right in the last so many years, they want to get right up in the middle of that shot, you know, and they're like, you know, it was just like I was trying to stay away, they weren't in physicality or touching each other. And I just wanted to keep that focus more and more on their stare down, man, what a reaction from that crowd at night. Hey, Mike, what were you thinking when they sat there and had a stare down for about half an hour? That just got better and better and better. That was one of the greatest moments ever. And it just came by two guys who knew how to work. Yeah, we really right. We knew it, we all knew this wasn't going to be a high flying match and all that other stuff. And it was just on Hogan's entrance. I had chills. I had goosebumps when it was like, man, they did not forget Hulk Hogan. It was just I had goosebumps in the ring. I was like, I marked out on that photo right there at eight by 10, just standing off the side. I was like, marking out totally. I couldn't even hear myself like thinking, I'm trying to think, okay, what are we doing? And when are we going to start this? And they just stood there for so long. And the people just got louder and louder and louder. It was just, I was in a business 17 years at that time, 2002 from 85 to 2002, and you never heard a reaction like that 17 years at that point. Yeah, I'd never seen anything like that. Yeah, it's just unbelievable to sit there and watch it. And those guys that have the ability to be able to sit there and have the confidence. Yes. Nothing. I say do nothing. They're working. But had the people, John, just like that. I mean, the people on the entry, when they got into the ring and they stared down, it was like, holy shit, we got, we really didn't know what kind of reaction. And we did not expect that reaction. Right. I'm sure. I'm sure. It's like having Muhammad Ali against Joe Lewis. You know, it's something, something you thought you would never see. And all of a sudden, you're seeing it and you're, you've got to be kidding me. This is freaking awesome. Nobody wanted it at the end. The boys in the back didn't want it at the end. The crowd didn't want it at the end. That was what an incredible moment in wrestling history. Anybody, you know, everybody remembers where they were when the giant got slammed. Everybody remembers also this match as well. I mean, it's that iconic. Right. Yeah. It's, I mean, did I ever know that it was going to be this iconic? No, I didn't. But, you know, when we watched that match back and back and you watched it over, you know, my, my main part of the stress was sliding at the same time. Rock was coming because we had to time that bump perfectly. So, and it's kind of worked out just, I mean, worked out 100%. So it was just that that's my nervous part of that match was that me taking care of, you know, taking that bump and making sure it looks great because if I missed the rock, it was going to look stupid. I was going to go to a plan B, you know, like an audible. So that was that was most part of the stress. Everything else just went like, you know, when I talked to Holster all the time, I come up to Terry and say, Terry, is there anything else in the match, brother? Anything else? You know, rock was more perfection. Hogan was like, brother, let's just go have fun, man. We're just gonna, we're gonna go fucking have fun. Just have fun. And let's call it out there, you know, and I'm like, okay, cool. And, you know, you go back to rock and he's like, okay, I cheated. I'm going to hit him this someone's do this. I'm gonna do that. Like, oh shoot, you know, all this from rock, but Hogan was just like, man, we're just going to go tear up and just have some fun, brother. And I was like, you got to Terry, you know, like, Holster. It was just, it was, it was just great to be a part of that match. And, you know, they called me for that match. They wanted me for that match. So it was, you know, when I got the, I got the word like two weeks prior, you know, from Pat Patterson, from Pat Patterson, he said, you're doing the rock and Hogan match. A place going to go banana nut, you know. Pat, Pat, Pat spoke English, French and some, and some type of gibberish that I never understood. Right. Carney. Then you come in and go to Bada B, Bada B, and he's gonna go to Bada B. What is Bada B, Bada B? No idea what you're talking about, Pat. Right, right. And then you got to sit there and listen to little about his cruises that he went on. Give me CDs and I loved it. And the same joke. He'd say the same joke every single week, but he was, he was so funny telling it. You laughed every week. You knew the whole line. You knew the whole joke, but you laugh every week. That's just so true. So true. So glad we got to talk about Pat Patterson, Andre the giant and that legendary WrestleMania 18 match. Uh, Kiotta, I'll get you hooked up with Tony and let you guys have some separate conversations, but we greatly appreciate you stopping by and telling some stories. And I want to remind you of this thing out there. If you've got an item that you wonder in your man cave, Hey, what is this worth? Send us your items, send us your stories, shoot us an email. It's wrestleworth at gmail.com. Tony, you got a big week ahead of you. You're going to be set up at WrestleCon next week. Is that right? Can't wait for it. Yeah. We get in Wednesday and we're going to, we've got a lot of cool items that we're going to have there. Of course, we're going to have the Hogan boot from WrestleMania one. We also have his last WrestleMania boot against Vince McMahon. But we've got a lot of cool items. We've got some of Matt Cardona's figures. We're going to have there and it's, we're going to have the Andre. We're going to have the Pat Patterson ring. And we've got this great belt that we're going to be front and center at WrestleCon, the United States heavyweight championship. So looking forward to it. I gotta tell you that story that he was telling us. I got chills just hearing that story. I never knew all that information on it and that was just amazing to me. An amazing visit. Thank you so much. I hope everybody got to check you out. You're at WrestleCon too, right? Yeah, WrestleCon too. So I'll come see you. Check it out. Definitely. Definitely. Stop by. Definitely will, man. Yeah. Definitely pass your contact over. Hey, Tony, just a quick question to you as being a collector and everything. What are your top three WrestleMania's all the time? Well, mine would be three, probably four and then five. That was my, you know, when I was a youngster and I'll tell you a quick story about WrestleMania three. It was at the Pontiac Silver Dome. I'm from Wisconsin. We didn't get to go to it, but I got my first, they reported on it on the evening news in Green Bay because Bob Uker was there. So they reported on that and I would never forget they said, hope goes the full nine yards and they had it on the sports section in Green Bay. But the next day I got to watch it, the scrambled version of WrestleMania. So I kind of saw Hulk slam Andre and I kind of saw Macho Man and Steamboat, but it was kind of like the chipmunks were talking. So it was kind of hard to see the whole thing, but you know, that was such a special time. The first one I ever actually got to watch, pay-per-view was the Van Van Vigelo, Lawrence Taylor. That was the first one I got to really watch on pay-per-view. But those, you know, the WrestleMania three, I was 11 years old and it just meant the world. And also when Hulk and lost to the ultimate warrior, that just crushed me. I mean, I just couldn't believe it. And then see it in Macho Man win was obviously pretty cool. So those three always are going to always stand out. Yeah, Conrad's got a turnbuckle right from four or five, which one I had. I've got one in four and five in Atlantic City. Hey, I do want to ask Mike, since you asked Tony, what's your top three WrestleMania's? You're uniquely qualified to answer this one. Yeah. Our top three matches, either one. Well, the top, I can go with WrestleMania's because there's so many matches, you know, and I hate, I really hate to do that because I don't like to take away from the Kurt Angles and the Brock Lesnar's and like, you know, Kurt Angles, Ben Was and stuff like that. Those matches were Eddie Guerrero and so forth. I mean, I'd say definitely Rock and Hogan was one of the best experiences at WrestleMania's for myself and for the match itself. And I probably have to say Stone Cold and Stone Cold and Rock. I would put Rock in Austin first, where I took the chair shot in the first 10 minutes of the match. It got knocked out. And then that was used for me and Austin Stone Cold work with Stone Cold Steve Boston was phenomenal too as well. And I'd probably say Stone Cold, Sean with Mike Tyson is the enforcer. Wow. Big time moments, big time wrestling. I know I'm really pulling out some stuff there too. I hate to leave some other matches. Oh, no, you can answer it all. Yeah, it's just, it's hard, you know, say take away from technical matches and wrestling matches as well. We're talking about moments, you know, WrestleMania moments became a thing for a reason. You were in the ring for so many of those magical moments. We greatly appreciate you joining the show. And I hope everybody got a wrestle con, man. Yes. Thank you, Brad. Thank you. All right, hood. Take care. I'll see you down the road. All right. So John, right now, I think it's fair to say the entire internet is wondering, does WWE need to get their house in order? And maybe you need to get your house in order. And you should do it. My wife and I did and check out Narwhal. And I'm a big believer in this because I like to do nothing at the house when I can. It might actually be my favorite thing. And there's one last thing I have to do. Thanks to Narwhal. We're talking how this is a real solution. Now, listen, you may have heard of robot vacuums before, but what they always struggle with are stubborn stains or even worse. Maybe there's dirt that gets spread around the house. Maybe it's dirt that your dog left behind. Maybe I'm speaking from experience. Let me just tell you, I have absolutely tapped out on the whole robot vacuum concept. But I have to admit, Narwhal sponsored today's show. And I am totally in love with this product. If you've ever had a robot vacuum that just pushes the dirt around or gets hopelessly tangled up in cords, you know the struggle I'm talking about. My wife and I went through a few and everybody claims the exact same thing. Nobody can really deliver. But now they've got this flow wash mopping system. We're talking a real-time water infusion. Yeah, they've got 16 angled nozzles that spray fresh water continuously. They've also got a reverse rolling mop with warm water for that deeper cleaning. But how about this? Built-in maintenance-free scraper that's going to remove the dirt in real time. So we've got wastewater extraction and a storage system all in one unit right here. You're absolutely going to love flow washing. You're going to wonder, why didn't I already have this? Narmind has a cool pro-autonomous system too. I want to mention that this has unlimited object recognition. So when you're thinking about robots, you wonder like, hey, does it know where the chair is? Does it know where the rug is? Does it know where the doors are? Well, with Narwhal, you've got the dual RGB cameras. And you've also got the ability to recognize and clean accordingly. It's going to recognize those objects and then adjust the cleaning strategy all in real time. What I mean is this can adapt from wet to dry messes with dynamic cleaning and dual direction mopping. It's going to be smarter with every clean. Basically, it's doing a better job than you and I ever could. And the ability to know the difference between a wet mess and a dry mess, really cool. What we're going to use at my house, and I'm going to recommend for some of my pet friends, pet care mode. They've even got a baby care mode. How about that? You're going to love the powerful suction. It's got this carpet focused technology. It's got an all in one base station. It's even got AI power management that is going to protect the long term battery health. If you want to keep your home spotless, if you want fresh floors, you need to go visit us.narwhal.com slash Bruce. That's us.narwal.com slash Bruce. Michael Barkan. Hi, Brad. I'll tell you, we've been doing this World League thing for what, 15 years or so now, never in my life have I seen a specimen like I have before me right now. This guy is John the Hope man, Layfield. He likes pro wrestling and he likes defensive players even better. What do you think of tonight's game, Lay? I'll tell you what, little man, I was down on Mount Olympus breaking blows with my bare hands. God said to me, said, Hoaxer, you've got to go to Birmingham. There's a fire up ruin. So I ran down the ocean 15 days and 15 nights. I swam, dude. I fought hurricanes. I fought the sharks. The last thousand miles I ran the world's largest storms, and now I'm here, dude, and the fire will be put out. What do you think about the defense? I know they're tough. They're coming at you. Well, I'll tell you what, dude, I talked to Norma Swarsekopf and he loaned me the world's largest Patriots. Not built by McDonald's Douglas, but built by the workouts of the vitamins and talking to the big dude upstairs. And what you're going to do, Birmingham, when the world's largest storms and the San Antonio riders run wild on you. Welcome to another edition of Curt and Jerkers. I'm John Layfield, better known as JBL. Join us always by my co-host, Dan Blocker, Hal Scott-Ride. He looks like a cross between Black Bart and the missing link. He is the cassette kid and the cassette kid! Black Bart in history, a wrestling. We've got a pillar of that family. Mr. David Crockett, Mr. Crockett, welcome. Thank you very much. Where's my hat? You need it. Come on. You want this one? I don't. I try. See, I go with the white hat. Now he's the villain. He's the heel. I'm the baby face. No, I like his. I like his. You don't like mine? Nope. It's on your head. Is it because it's, yeah, it's not the hat. It's me. Right. Wrinkled. It's wrinkled. It's wrinkled. No, your head's wrinkled. It needs to be blocked. That's right. You gotta be blocked. Yeah. Or blockhead. He's the cassette kid. We are live at the 1FW Arena here in McDonough, Georgia. I've already said all that cassette kid. We are. What are you listening? We are. What is this? We're here. What do you invite me to? He is as bad as Black Mark. We've lost control already of this show. This one's going to be off the rails because of you. You look like a very nice proper gentleman. Like a nice peep-all, if you will. A nice what? Peep-all. You know, some nice peep-all. Peep-all. Yeah, peep-all. Peep-all. Peep-all. Peep-all. Paw-paw. Do you have, do you have grandkids? Yes, I do. What do they call you? Papa. Papa. See, you look like a very nice papa. But I know that you're an animal when you like to party. Okay. John, you want to try? No, I know. You have, you've sunk the whole ship. We got one of the greatest wrestling families in the history of wrestling, and you have pissed him off. I don't know where we got him. Conrad found him somewhere. Okay. All right. I hope it's a jacket. He's the cassette kid. Go ahead. I'm listening. That was it. I just know you were a party animal. That's all you have? Yeah, you looked at me. Well, I thought I was supposed to look at you. Look at him. All right. Absolutely. He's going to talk to him back in my head? Apparently, yes. Okay. Yeah. He's not very good at what he does. Tell me, go ahead and talk. I can't see him talk now. If he's any better, he'd suck. Oh, you're not going to suck me, boy. I know what you even think about it. He's a guest of ours. I saw he had some coat hanger over there. He's got some prop that he's thinking about. I've heard about coat hanger. We'll get there. We'll get there. You've got one of the greatest guests we've ever had, and you've blown the whole damn thing. All right. Well, tell us about y'all's history. When did y'all start working together? I worked for Mr. Crockett's brother, Jimmy Crockett. He put me with Dick Murdock as a tag team. Murdock used to always say to me, kid, you work hard, but you're the dumbest son of a bitch I've ever seen in my life. He'd tell me that every day. And I can see Murdock coming, yeah? Every day. Every day, he'd start the matches. Go ahead and start the match, kid. When it turns to shit, tag me in. I'll straighten it out. Every day. Yeah. Yeah. And he'll stay in there by 30 seconds. That's what I was saying. Yeah. Yeah. Do the grease, dude. Just give me a little tag. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He'll tag you in. He'll let you blow yourself up a little bit. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do his thing. Then he'll tag you again. Right? Yeah. Murdock picked me up one time. I was in Garland Tech. I lived there with Bobby Duncan Jr. I lived in the hood. Murdock used to hate picking me up there. Said it was dangerous. So he never let me drive and I'd have to hand him cruise lights. You know, Murdock loved the cruise lights. Oh, yeah. But I had to hand him the mouth toward him or he'd throw it out the window. I didn't know that. I figured he'd be willing to figure that out. So it just me and him, he would sing Take Me, Drunk, I'm Home, which is a song he and Dusty wrote. Sounded like cows fucking. He was part of it. It was the worst music I've ever heard. He would sing it over and over. They wouldn't let me talk. So one morning he picks me up. He goes, you're driving, kid. I said, okay. So I've never driven before. You know, Dick Murdock's truck. So I'm driving or going up. Oh, you're driving his truck. I'm driving his truck. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He always had his truck. He was his truck. We're going up to like Ada, Oklahoma or somewhere to wrestle the Von Erick boys. And we were driving and Murdock looks terrible. Now you look terrible anyway, right? He's like, yeah, it's like, Mark was like, you look walking upside down, what bull? Big belly, little big top skinny legs, skinny legs, skinny arms, tough as fuck. I mean, he was for that. Some bitches. He was a man. So we're driving up to Oklahoma. I said, Dick, you need to pull over, shut up, drive kid. I drove a little further. I was digging me pull over, shut up and drive kid. We get into the Red River that separates Texas and Oklahoma. And I said, Dick, you need to pull over. He goes, drive across the Red River kid drove across the Red River. He said pull over. He had pulled over and he threw up all over Oklahoma. And when he got the truck, he goes, don't ever throw up in Texas. I can see that. That's right. I can see that. Everything I ever hoped you would be, you are right now. He did that just for me. Yeah. Yeah, that's Murdock. You know, he was crazy. Yeah. But a great worker. Really was. I mean, Dick was one of a kind. He'd have to know him. I mean, the stories about him, don't do him justice. Uh-uh. No. No, it's just boy. Yeah. And he just, you know, smoked cigarette, drank beer. You know, he and Dusty together. Oh, they were just priceless. They were. They ended up down in Florida because they had an Apollosa donkey in there, took it into a bar and they're keeping it in their hotel room. And it should keep them in the donkey in the hotel room. Yeah. And the police, Dusty rode into the bar in Minnesota and shot up their, their ceiling and Vern called Eddie Graham says, you got to get them out of here. They're going to be arrested. So that's why they ended up in Florida. And they made a big name for themselves down there because of that Apollosa donkey. But I can't be sure. No. And everybody loved them. I mean, you know, you couldn't have a straight guy. I mean, both of them were just, you know, Murdoch just sort of. Yeah, boy. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And Dusty's the mouth. Yeah. Why did, why did he throw the beer out if he didn't hand it to him? Correct. Because I didn't handle the mouth to him. And it took that as an insult. I didn't know that. It took me a while to figure it out. I had to ask some people, why is he throwing the beer out the window? Because I'd open up the beer and I'd hand it to him and he wouldn't let me talk. And I'd have to, he'd see take me drunk. I'm home a song by Six Pack Productions that him and Dusty. Six Pack Productions. Oh yeah. He had the whole cassette tape and everything. You know, because he was a cassette kid. He should know this. Yes. Thank you. And he would sing this song and I had to hand him a beer and he'd throw it out the window. I thought, why is he throwing every other beer out the window? Then I finally realized he'd throw it out if I don't hand it to him with the mouth at him. Does that seem like something he would do? Yeah. Okay. Because he's driving, he has to pay attention. He can't rotate a camp. No, no. That would be dangerous. Oh yeah, that'd be dangerous. He has to concentrate on the drive. On his 23rd beer as he's driving. That's right. Which song falls down the Fort Worth? Well, the donkey in the back. Well, you think about he's smoking and drinking and trying to drive at the same time. And he's still got to sing. Yeah. Hang out and sing. What's wrong with you? That's dangerous. But now, Mr. Kragner, I might argue he's not as crazy as we'll get into a little story later, but Johnny Valentine was one of the craziest some bits ever walked on the planet. He was crazy, but also one of the smartest when it came to the came to ring savvy. Here's a guy that drives down the road listening to classical music and loves classical music. And he tells you that the only time he's at peace is when he's in the ring getting the hell beat out of him. He loves it. And he said the more they beat on him, the more he just feels this urge. It's the sensation of, of, of, uh, yes. He, he relieves himself. Well, boy, we escalated there. Oh, you have no idea. What do you mean relieves himself? What do you think? Pooped, peed? No. He orgasm? We can't poop or pee. Well, you, you relieve yourself. He's very relaxed after. He's very relaxed. Well, he's not pooping or peeing because we're not going to clean it up. Of course. All right. Yeah. Well, you made the face. I mean, I saw you made the face. I didn't know we were going to see David Crockett's face here on curtain. Here's what we did. How you know that's my face. We don't. Well, you're right. John, did you ever leave yourself in the ring? I cannot say that I did know, but I only wrestled Greg Valentine with Johnny watching. I ever wrestled Johnny. So yeah, so you weren't in there. Well, Johnny, the first time out with Greg and Medusa, they were dating, went to a restaurant. Medusa feels something on her feet. Johnny's relieving himself underneath the table on her feet. I can believe that. Yeah, I do. I do. The same relieving is no different. Now there's different meetings. But you got to know which one is which. Did Greg get mad that he was great? I thought it was funny. I talked to Medusa about it. She's the one that told this story. She said Greg thought it was funny. He starts laughing. She feels all this water coming on her feet. She can't figure out what it is. She finally realizes that Johnny's taking a leak on her. This is his potential daughter-in-law. First time he goes out to eat with her. Yeah, Johnny Valentine was nuts. Johnny Valentine, especially if you have like the Salisbury steak that has gravy, you don't follow Johnny Valentine. Because Johnny Valentine will leave his own Salisbury steak in there and covers it up. Hey, why don't we stop that after the first time? As a company, maybe. What do you mean stop it? Quit shitting in the catering. We might have that meeting one time. You don't know he's doing it unless you find it. Yeah, what are you going to do? DNA test it? Yeah. How can you DNA that poop? I'm sure you can. He's not going to fess up to it, but you know it's him. But you know there's fecal minor in catering. Well, again, you don't know it until you find it. You find it one time and that's it. That's where the term shit eating grin came in. Yeah, that's right. Great mind for the business. He invited a lot. Yeah. So I was on a plane one time and you had, I'm not going to say who, uh, free birds were riding with Vance and they were telling a story about riding with Mr. Crockett and Mr. Crockett on their plane and apparently they went behind the plane and they were doing something that when they turned on the jet engines that it all got blown right down, right down the runway. I'm not going to say what the whole eight ball blow. Apparently they had snuck back there. They were right by the jet engine and they're just about to hit this blow and the jet engine kicks up and the whole thing just goes right down the runway. Beautiful. You guys had to have some wild times. You guys had the nature boy. You guys had the free birds. You guys had Johnny Valentine. I mean, that's some legendary guys. Oh yeah. Well, you know, besides that there were others, there were others, you know, that, uh, like nose candy. Quite a few of them back then, you know, loved a little nose candy. A lot of guys didn't like cocaine. They just enjoyed the smell. Sure. Yeah. Yes. Well, a couple of times. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, uh, I feel like wrestlers in planes, a lot of chaos. Yeah. A lot of chaos. Yeah. Tell us a plane story. So that was a fun plane story. Well, the planes were, you know, we had a G1, which was like a turbo prop and it held 16. Okay. And it had like a 600 mile range. Great plane for, for that. You could take wrestlers, drop them off, and then they could go do wrestling in the area, go back, pick them up after five days, let's say, come back, and you could drop them at certain points. But then they got to the point that they, they didn't take care of the plane. They left, you know, they come in and eat a lot of chicken and stuff and just, you know, just leave a mess. I mean, totally like big stuff. Did you have to throw anybody off? I mean, did you have, who, who specifically that you were sitting there, we got to, this guy can't go again. I'd rather not say. Fair enough. I thought you were going to say, Mr. Flier. No, well, Rick running around on a, she won neck it with a bunch of guys. Big deal. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but, you know, but he'd rather stay over. He'd rather stay over a lot of first class the next day. He wanted to be the private jet. Yeah. Well, no, he wanted, he wanted to spend the night. Yeah. To the hotel. Yeah. That's what he wanted to do. Yeah. Because he wanted, as we talked about earlier, he wanted to beat people in the back of the head. This is sausage. All right. We all know that Rick Flair is famous for going on airplanes and coming out with his robe and his belt. Well, there's another thing that Rick loved to do was if women are paying attention to him and he's, he's in his, the penthouse and he's got all these girls that the woman has got her back to him. She's sitting on a couch. He comes out naked and he just takes his Johnson and hits her on the head. That's what he does. Different times. Yeah. Yeah. You think? You think? I mean, that's why, that's why he, you know, they're on TBS. He promoted, you know, hey, we're going to be at the Marriott there in Baltimore or the Omni or wherever it is. He was legit. It wasn't like a fake hotel. He's fake. Oh, no. No, let's go party. Here's where we're going. And the hotel would be ready with security and so forth. Yeah. So, you know, only women upstairs to whatever floor he's going to be on. And I've seen Flair load up the bar with Kamikaze. He's into, I mean, load the bar up with as many glasses as they have. He'd buy them and you're going to drink them till you're over before the bar closed. Yeah. It wouldn't be, he would order 60, maybe 70 Kamikaze. You know, because if the bar closed and you still haven't sitting there, you know, you could just drink them. But the thing I learned is that Rick cannot drink brown liquor. Did you know that? I did not know that. Yes. Clear the liquor? Yes. Brown liquor? No. Anytime you want to put him under the table, brown liquor. Tell us a little bit of a story. Oh, God. The first time he showed up, Jimmy and I looked at him and I said, this is a kid. And I told him, I said, you need to grow a beard or a mustache because you look too young. Period. Wow. Yeah. And so he did. He grew much. The rest was history. Yeah. You need to grow a beard like to cover up more of you. Yeah. He was, he was a baseball. You can look like Sasquatch like everywhere. It'd be better. Yeah. He was a baseball announcer for my sister's baseball team. She had a, she owned a baseball team with the Oak Grids boys, a single A baseball team in Greensboro, North Carolina. And he came down. We also owned a baseball team, a double A baseball team affiliated with Baltimore that was in Charlotte. And he came down and announced that game. And we were short an announcer and Jimmy and I said, well, let's use him. Try him out. Rest is history. My sister was pissed off. That you stole her announcer. Yes, I did. And I bet after a while she probably wanted to give him back. That's not nice. No, no, no. That's not nice at all. And it's not, but you know, Tony, okay, that's fair. I didn't say it wasn't fair. I said it wasn't nice. But I cannot believe Tony Chirvonny's got the nastiest mouth in the world and he teaches Sunday school. Does he really? Yeah. Can you believe that? I know. I know. I do. None. None. None. He's a good Catholic boy. I'm not sure the adage is right. He may be a Catholic. I'm not sure he's a good Catholic. Crockett, we got a game we're going to play real quick with JBL and yourself. It's called Crockett or Crockashit. I'm going to say a rumor that's not nice at all. I'm going to say a rumor that this is a legendary name in wrestling. Yeah, I know. Crockett means it's real. He is a Crockashit. Well, there's your first answer. Crockashit means it's false. You're going to let you guess to see if it's real JBL and then he'll tell us if it's true. Okay, go ahead. Let's go. Crockett or Crockashit, one time David Crockett called a match under the desk because Ric Flair was really fighting someone close by. Crockett or Crockashit? Crockett. Crockashit. Okay. One time on a, did you ever call a match under the desk or have to duck out of the way? No. They weren't doing table spots back then. They did some, but no. There was a fight taking place. I wanted to break it up. Call the action, break it up. Yeah. I went down to Mexico to call a pay for you down there and they broke the English table down there. They did. But you bastard. I got down there and I said, surely you're not going to break the English table. He always broke the Spanish announcement because they, those guys had no rights, you know, fuck them. And I go down to Mexico City and they break our table. They broke my legs. Crockett or Crockashit, David Crockett one time said on the hot mic, ask JR, did the paychecks clear for the boys yet? You had Shivani and JR. What is that? Crockett or Crockashit? That's Crockett. Crockett or Crockashit? Crockshit. I told you. I told you. Did you, did you ever have a hot mic slip up? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Well, one time they told me the finish and it didn't happen. So I said, that wasn't the finish. On the mic. On the mic. My brother starts screaming and the mic, I said, well, what in the finish? So I took the mic, I took the headset off. I said, that was it. I said, never tell me the finish then. You know, if you, if you change the finish, then so they never told me the finish again, which was fine. He said that's not the finish. Yeah. If they were going to tell me the finish, damn it, do the finish. Vince McMahon told me one time he goes, don't say a word here. And I said, don't say a word here. He goes, God damn it, John. I'm telling you not to talk. I repeated it. Good boy. He told me. Yeah. Don't say a word here. He said, don't say a word here. I go, don't say a word here. He goes, God damn it. I'm done. Sorry. Good example. Yeah. Crockett or Crockashit, David Crockett was known to smoke a whole pack of cigarettes and get pumped up for his night of calling matches. I think that's Crockashit because I think that's JR. I agree. I'm the only one in my family that did not smoke. Really? Yeah. Perfect. I tried. I couldn't get it down. I tried. You're not supposed to eat them. It helps if you just smoke them. I tried really. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. Did you have any rituals or pre pre pre show ritual? I gotta, I need a coffee. I need to eat this. I need to drink that. I yelled. I yelled. He yelled. Just to warm up the vocal cords. Yeah, I'll get excited. Can we hear it? No. Like a grit like, ah, I like that. Okay. Slap my hands. You know, just just just get pumped up. Yeah. Yeah. Just get pumped up. Crockett or Crockashit, David Crockett was known to eat garlic before he wrestled. Was he a vampire? Crockett or Crockashit. Crockashit. I agree. See? Crockashit. But you do know somebody that ate garlic. Brut Bernard. Anybody remember Brut? Oh, you're too young. Do you know Brut Bernard? I mean, I know he is. Yes. Yeah. He ate that like you would eat chewing gum. He ate garlic. Really? Yeah. He did eat constantly. Don't I mean, to wrestle him. Oh, God. He's sweat it. Where you exist. Was he doing it to be a heel? No, he just liked it. Oh, God. Gross. So Howard Finkel used to get fired up by screaming and doing like Hindu squats and stuff, and he'd go bolting out the thing to walk into the jungle. Owen Hart took a string one time. We're sold out San Jose and put it right along the outside of the thing. So Howard Finkel bused through the curtain. He sold out crowds. The first thing you see is he falls right on his face. A little tripwire. I can't see poor Finkel do that. Last couple. David Crockett or Crockashit, David Crockett always showered with his shoes on so he would not slip in front of the boys. If you give me that look, he knows it's a Crockashit. You're as summony showered with the boys. I think your basic assumption is a Crockashit. So that's not true? Somebody told me it was true. Who told you it was true? Jamie Hill. With my shoes on? Yeah. Why would I run a good pair of shoes? You did it, not me. No, I didn't. Yes or no. You have made no friends up here today. All right, fine. I know one. He's a dick. I'm sorry. Conrad stuck me with him. He's the only guy he could find. Crockett or Crockashit, David Crockett walked in on another man jerking another man off with a coat hanger. Yes. Oh, this is Crockett. I just said yes. You have a tell us the story. Oh, you didn't ask that. That was me going tell us the story. Could you tell us the story, please? No. John, what have you heard? I've heard that there may or may not have been a couple of very legendary figures that may have used some garment hanging material like a coat hanger for one to help relieve the other one by the coat hanger. That's what I've heard. It's a legendary story in Wrestling Circle. Were you selling the gaps? Well, you've seen coat hangers used to roast marshmallows, right? Yes. You can imagine a coat hanger that used to roast marshmallows instead of the end being straight. It is curved around. All right. And then that I don't know exactly how round it is. Let's just. Let's just. Yes. Do you want the bottle or the coat hanger? We're going to do an experiment. Oh, I bet. Would you want you want to go? No, I don't want either one. I don't want nobby's lips either. Hold that. Or maybe you should do this. So if this is, is it like this? It's not, it's not a circle. You had to make a circle right here. You have to make a circle. Well, you would have to, you would have to know your partner very well to know how big to make the circle. That's right. And then do you make the circle and then like that? Yeah. But you got to straighten this out a little bit. I think that's the point of the whole thing. It's a straight and out. That's why we're doing it in the first place. John, you try. No, no, no, no, absolutely not. I'm nervous. Yeah. Yeah. I'll, I'll gladly be this guy. The territory. No, no, I don't do it myself. It's kind of why not. You do it. You've done it before. Just hold that. No, no, just put it in your mouth. No. This seems very weird. Well, well, yes. So tell me about it. I mean, why did we start with Coat Hanger? I have no idea. To be it, never mind. John, did you ever see this? No, I, no, I wrestled in a lot of territories and I'd never, I'd never, that looks like a vicious hook. Yeah, I'd never, I'd never, I'd never, I'd never saw this. See if you'd help me straighten it out and wouldn't be like this. Well, you saw this and we'll give it away. It's a J, it's a JCP branded Coat Hanger. See, this is how, this is why you fell behind Vince in the merch game. Yeah. You could have been selling Coat Hangers the whole time. So all you need was rock and roll, express Coat Hangers. Yeah. They sell it to the teeny poppers, right? That's right. Y'all can continue. Can I see what, this was kind of, where did you hear this? You said it's a legendary story. I'm, I want to get details. I had some many questions about the Coat Hanger because I thought, I thought you just went with the hook like you're at the Apollo. You know what I mean? But y'all are saying that you had to fashion the suit. I don't know y'all saying nothing. So my question is once it went on there, if he went, hey, a little too big, did you, did, if you're Coat Hanger guy, do you have to reach over there and fit it? I, see, I got questions. Or did he say, I do not have answers. I did not stand around and watch. I was not a boy or, I guess you would say. Oh, okay. Yeah. Just put it around your finger. Let's just show me. No. Okay. See, you like that thing. I was, I mean, it's, he, I think he's, I think he does. I think he, we're gonna see this in comedy clubs. Hey, somebody get a Coat Hanger. I'm worried about him. I'll put it down. Yeah, be good idea. We'll just hang it here. All right. Good. Let it go. Cassette kid, you just ruined our damn show. Well, there you have it. There is Curtin Juckers and the legendary Mr. David Croggett and the Cassette kid. All right. This time of year always makes me rethink what's in my closet. 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I mean, thank you. Thank you guys. You're awesome. Dave wills, of course, famous. It's still real to me. Damn it. Yes. Legend in the wrestling community. Not hard. Tell us what that night was like for you. Well, that was interesting night. I got to meet my favorite rest of the barbarian who I will still argue if anybody that he could step in the smack down or a W or whatever. He can step in anywhere he wants. Well, him and me and couldn't pretty much step in anywhere and take out anybody you want. Anyways, like you said, that's what I just said. As a matter of fact, when I was talking to a bar, but we were talking about matches that we wish we could have seen shoot matches. And we were thinking that one match that'd be stiff as hell would be me and barbarian against Ron Simmons and JVL. God, I would have loved to see that. That would have been awesome. But again, that night I got to beat barb. I got to see Jerry Lawler. I got to talk to Katniss Jack. They were doing an interview right up there. Terry Funk, people in the ring were Terry Funk, Dennis Connery, Bobby Eaton, Jim Pornette, Bill Afterhead and Mike. And they were talking about how when you get right down to it. Is Bill Afterhead the worst impersonations ever? I mean, I don't mean to cut you off. They're all the same thing. It's like, here's me doing Cassette Kidd. Here's me doing Conrad. Here's me doing Jerry Lawler. They're all the exact same fucking thing. And he just like says different names. I've seen him doing a Hogan promo for real American beer. I'm like, isn't this kind of like a married man doing a commercial for Tinder? I mean, come on, give me a break. He don't even drink. Afterdutting or Hogan-dutting? No, I have afterdutting. Hogan-dutting anymore. Wow. That's true. Wow. That's true. Wow. Dead joke. Now, after was doing a commercial for... He was filming a little promo there. I like, I love Bill Afterhead. I really do. He's a good friend. I like him a lot. I think he's impersonation. He's really bad. They're something else. He said he should drink. As a matter of fact, I'd highly recommend it. Yes. Yeah. And you know what you're talking about for sure? It's the year, of course. Yes, in the year. Yeah. It's the year. Yeah. But, uh, no, I met a lot of my favorite wrestlers. They were talking about, uh, there was a lot of deaths and wrestling at the time. Focus on muskleture and stuff like that. And, uh, a lot of oversized hearts and everything. And when you get right down to it, um... I've got an oversized heart. He got an oversized heart. It's overworked heart. Overworked heart. None of my clothes are oversized. I said, somebody told me that's a really nice shirt. They said, who blew it up for you? That's what they said. I didn't find that funny. Ringland Brothers on board of Bailey lost her tent. Wow. Wow. Wow. That wasn't nice. That wasn't nice at all. No, no, no. I was joking about the shirt like being blown up. I wasn't trying to burn him like Eddie Gilbert does, but that's a point. He brought up like bringing Brothers in tents and shit. And that's not funny. No, I wouldn't laugh. Factual, but... I didn't say one. Factual said it was funny. It was mean. It was very mean spirited. Yeah. Still mean to me. I was just in St. Thomas, Canada. And that's where Jumbo died. The elephant. What? I was just in St. Thomas. I get a joke. Everyone laughed and I turn around and you're like, Jumbo, the elephant. He died in St. Thomas, Canada. I was up there with Ray Borg and Marcel Dion, much hockey players doing this fundraiser gimmick. And I find out that Jumbo had gotten off the train there and some fucking train hit him and killed the big ass elephant. So when I got up, the people started booing me because they think I'm a... I get booed in Canada. I said, you guys killed Jumbo. So fuck them. I'm glad you got that off the chest. It sounds like it's been eating you on for years. Not years. It was a couple of weeks ago when I was up there in St. Thomas. I found out that Jumbo got killed. They had like the hotel I was staying at. They had a Jumbo room. What's not funny? The Jumbo's dead. You guys killed him. They killed Jumbo. And then they put a picture up everywhere and tried to make like tourist attractions out of a dead elephant. That was P.T. Barnum. That's the correlation here. Here on Carton Drugger, JBL is a fan of Jumbo the elephant. In Canada, he blames you for his death. Yes. Canada, you killed Jumbo. Did you get to meet Jumbo that night? No. Did he get to meet J... Did he get to meet Jumbo? No, I didn't know he'd get to meet Jumbo, but uh... He was real to me, damn it. I believe he was. He was. And they killed him. Why couldn't they kill Chimble? So we're almost back to that night. You're in the house. They were talking about death and rest when Terry Funk says, hey, wrestling's got a problem. He says, you know, if you trace the any town of any size back, you see every town's got a crack house. Even Spurber or Seftralina's got one. If you trace it back five years, we'll see there's more deaths than pro wrestling in the last five years. And there is no that crack house. Wrestling is to clean their self-sufficiency and get their self-cleaned up. And I wanted to stand up and say thank you for your point. You did your bodies. I appreciate what you did. And I appreciate your sacrifices for my entertainment because you can call it whatever you want, but I'll be damned if it's ever fake. It ain't. Yeah, and how many death pools has Michael Hayes screwed up? Free burl never changed. Michael actually passed away years ago. He just won't go to cemetery. He's the one that talked Glenn Armstrong how to moonwalk. He'd been checked out. I'm gonna go be around forever. No doubt about it. That's on you. Indeed. What's your excuse? Exactly. Oh man. I'm still trying to figure out what he's doing besides laughing and keeping his eyes closed. You got Dylan over here tracking up over here filming film with the show left and right. So you got any more questions, Cassette Kid? I'm trying to get to the part where he screams to thrill him and damn it. We'll get to the part. Wow. Wow. And he's a host? No, he's not supposed to be, but he's like takes over. Conrad always yells at me, John, you're supposed to be running this Cassette Kid comes out here wearing cowboy head. He takes over the damn show. Same thing happened to fucking Jumbo. Everybody wants to get themselves over. That's right. Everybody wants clout for no reason. You look like Black Bart's grandson up here. You long tall drink of shit. That's what Bart used to call me all the time. God, he was great. He used to tell me all the time he'd sit there. He got a big trash can between his legs and he spit it. He spit it. Everybody went, anybody knows Bart knows exactly what he's doing. He spit it and he heard my cowbell. He goes, I hate hearing that cowbell because that long tall drink of shit John off with it. That's what he said every day. I didn't find it funny. But whatever, when I was going to shoot out with him and Bullman Dallas had lost a whole bunch of weight and everything is so at eye. We'd both tried a bunch of weight on keto and Black Bart looks over there at Bullman. He is, Hey, you look like you lost half a bull, you know, because he had dropped about, he went from like 300 to about 230 and everything. Good Lord. He was a good shape vice a great guy. I love bullman down. Mark told me, he said, you know, he goes, Johnny, he goes, Johnny, I got, you know, colon cancer. I said, that's like a draft with script. It's major. Bart had a big ass. And how? Bart and I were good buddies. Don't get hot. He's got a hell of a book too. People want to read that. I love Bart. Bart is fantastic. Where was my big brother? He's fantastic. I thought the world of black bar. He enjoyed meeting him and enjoyed watching him and everything. We were driving one time with Dick Murdock and he was Murdock kept punching him and chopping him, pinching his nipples and and and Bart goes, diggy one more time. You find a patch of green grass and we're going to settle this. I love you and I respect you. We're going to shake hands after what we're going to fight. And Dick says, you want to fight me? You fat bastard. Mark said, Dicky, that's what I just said. We find a patch of green grass. We're going to pull over. We're going to fight. We're going to shake hands after. So I'm sitting at the back thinking, what do I do? I mean, I got these two guys, but the five know I do what I never, what do I stop it? Do I watch it? What if one of them beats the other one up really bad? So Dick pulls over, Bart gets out, Dick drives off and leaves him. I thought, Will, I'm going to do nothing now. Back bar picked up Bart and brought him to the building. For black bar. Yeah. Bart was the best. Bart was great. Oh man, great guy, great guy. So did you have any questions, Cassette? No, I don't want to get myself over. For somebody who's a host. Anyways, he's not a host. Well, he thinks he is. Yes, he does. Come on here. We're in a cowboy hat. Making fun of jumbo. It's a cosplay wrestling world nowadays. What can I say? No, but getting back to your question that you can't get out of your systems. If you can't host it, I'll go ahead and host our own show with Mr. JBL. You're hosting cool. No, I'm going to cowboy hat. Well, no, I, but why did you do that? Hey, you're already over. I'm here to sit and make you look good. What are you talking about? Thank you. I appreciate that. Hey, I know who the talent is. Do you think you can make knobs look good? I got a better chance with him than him. Man, but I went out there and spoke up and wanted to say thank you for your sacrifices for your bodies and everything. And well, it didn't quite come out right. And then maybe it did. But I wound up saying it's through me. Damn it. It went viral. And oh, well, what can you do? That's the way it goes. For what it's worth. I guess that's the kind of you're a wrestling god. You immortality. That's saying it's gonna be red. I'm dead and gone whether I want to be or not. So that's the immortality. Him. He's wearing a cowboy hat and making fun of jumbo. Yeah, that's the moral. That's bad. I can't wrestling God. I've been drinking a little bit. But we wrestled earlier and some match had gone a little short. He said, guys, we got to kill some time. We're gonna do a celebration backstage. I said, guys, I've been drinking. They go, that's okay. It's a celebration. And so that's when I come up with wrestling God. I was back there with Teddy Longa. I'm a God. Yeah, I'm a God. I'm a wrestling God. I remember what I said in the next week. I come out and had wrestling God signs all over Rena. So that's what happened. Rule number one. Rule number one, get over. That's right. Rule number one, get over. Who else cares? You're over. That's right. That's right. That's exactly right. So final question. Is it fake now? Well, you maybe, but no, wrestling is still riveted. JBL is definitely still real to me. Damn it. The rest of the God is really and Kirk and Kirk and Chirkers is always still real to me. Damn it. Yes. Yes. And it's real to me too. Damn it. What about you? I'm already over. I'm good. I want to dig. All right. There we go. JBL. Where are you starting or am I a little fun? I don't know who's starting. We're ending another episode of Curt and Jerk and we call that my two daves episode or two daves, one episode. We call that my two days. We have a name for it. Yeah. Like one of these, there were some of them that have been together that you're calling like two days. Today? Like Dave Crockett and still real to me. Dave Wells, yeah. I don't think either one of them liked me for some reason. They're smart guys. I mean, really. Now, Crockett, we got out of there unscathed. Dave Wells, he was really excited to talk to you, not so much me. I mean, he turned his whole body and everything. Yeah. He told me, he went like this, he goes, that guy there, that guy there. He goes, don't fucking like it. Do not like him at all. And I said, you mean Cascio? He goes, that guy there, that guy there. Well, I'm sorry. Cascio's actually a really good guy. He goes, I don't like him. What's your shirt say, by the way? It says arrive, clothesline, somebody leaked. Okay. I'm also wearing a Bradshaw 316 shirt, which says I just stole your fucking podcast. We also need one that says arrive, coat hanger and then we... That's the worst. Yeah, we're going to get back to coat hanger. We're also going to get a Bradshaw 369, which says quit flogging your mule. Now, this coat hanger, where did the living head blue hail? Where do you even think about things like this? Hopefully we, after running it by, with Tony and running it by with Dave, hopefully we're going to retire the coat hanger for a while. Unless it's going to be our running gag. We were flogging mules for the first two weeks. Now we're coat hanger. Yeah. I mean, this is really demented stuff. This is... A rough, curtain, jerk, leave. That's what we do. This is not like high end comedy or high end entertainment. This is low browse you get. This is, you know, flogging your mule in a tannin bed with a coat hanger comedy. It's not comedy. It's real life. And now Dave Wells, it's still real to me, David. Such a great guy. Yes, we've got a great guy. It was great to talk to him. I mean, that's the guy you want to be a wrestling fan right there. He is supportive to the end. And, you know, he was a little off of me. He loved you. Now we should pull the curtain back. Our buddy Corey Ron Forster, he did not get along very well with Corey. For those that need to know, after that, our buddy Corey Ron Forster said, Hey, I got an idea. I got the whales, man. Y'all mind if I do it? We're like, yeah, go over there and do it. So he goes and gets set up. Me and you and a couple other people were just chatting to the side when we hear yelling, full blown yelling. Full blown, full blown MFN, full blown FN. I mean, we heard some real freaking yelling going on. I don't know what you thought, but I thought it was a work at first. I thought that was Corey's plan was to have a fake heat with Dave. It was not, it was real heat. It was real heat. And I thought the same thing. I thought, surely they're not yelling at each other like this right in front of everybody right now. And they were, they were, they were wanting to fight each other. I'm pretty sure Corey blamed it. He claims he, you know, allegedly reportedly snorted an Adderall on this truck right before that. I think that probably he, what? We got to get focused, you see. Wait, wait, wait. Take the Adderall. Take the Adderall out of that jet. See if you just snored it, it'll go right to your brain. You snored Adderall? I don't. I don't. Look at me. I would be thin. Adderall makes, she gives you energy and curbs your appetite, makes you focus. What does it do to you? Uh, gets you right. Gets you locked in. Why don't you just like take it? You snorting it, gets it like quicker in your system or something? Normal people do drug addicts like Corey Forrester. He snorts it. He snorts whatever you hand him. He's a drug addict. Yeah. One time, uh, one time I, uh, I gave him, we were eating lunch at catering and he was like, y'all have any salt? I gave him one of those packets. He put it out, snorted it and then ate his food. He's just so used to it. He told me one day he goes, he doesn't like cocaine. He just enjoys the smell. Yeah. It's just, it's no big deal to him, but he got the fight. Apparently Dave Wells is good friends with Abdullah the butcher. Uh, and, uh, Corey did not know that either way. It didn't matter if he knew it or not. He started going in on Abdullah. Dave was like, Hey, I'm not going to let you talk about my friend. And then it escalated. Corey, of course, was, uh, he was rocking and rolling. Yeah. I thought it was going to be physical. Who would you take it if like Corey or Dave? Oh, interesting point. Good point. Let's speak to him. I think that I think it's still real to me. Damn it. I got a back. It's still real to me. Damn it. I got a back. Dave, I think experience. No offense. Corey. I'm no offense. No offense whatsoever, but Dave seemed like a pretty salty dude. Probably got that old man straight. Oh yeah. That old man's strength. Wait, is grab you and go. I can't get loose. He said he's awesome. Wait. So now he's got a little more energy. You know what I mean? Brock Lesnar grabbed me one time backstage and he was just messing around. And I said, Brock, you've hurt me and I don't know how bad if you'll let me go. I'll assess the damage and see if I need to go to the hospital. I had, I had, uh, I was sitting backstage and I forced my lucky charms out of the catering into my hand and I was about to eat it and Brock walked by and hit my hand and knocked, knocked like a kid, knocked it all up over everywhere. So I walked by him and he's on his phone and I hit his elbow. And when I do, I knocked this phone down the hall and I thought, okay, that was a little bit of a too big of a response. I think I'm just going to keep walking like maybe I didn't do it. And then Brock grabbed me and goes, I'm broken. I'm actually broken. I don't know how bad I know that I'm hurt and I probably should get an ambulance. I wish that would have happened between Dave and Corey. I really, I really do. I think Dave might have that old man's strength that he was Brock Lesnar in that scenario. I think he was too. Instead of, instead of lucky charms, Corey had a handful of crushed up drugs. It was, uh, you know, if you got lucky charms, if you had bacon soda, it's just crack. It's no big. I didn't know that. I didn't know that at all. I thought it was like, you know, like the cereal's like cover. I didn't see you eating dry lucky charms. I did not have that on my bingo card. It's like, you know, as a kid, I like lucky charms. You know, that's why I hate horn swagger because he's a fake leprechaun. That's why I hit him with trash. He's a little bastard. And so when I got older, I can't, you know, no one to eat it because it's bad for you. So occasionally in catering, I go in there and I see those lucky charms. Without anybody looking around, I just put some of my hand, I eat them right quick. I wouldn't put them in a bowl. I just put them in my hand right quick, eat them right quick and then put the box back. I fully, you need those little, you know, instead of the baseball helmets, they serve ice cream. You need little tiny cowboy hats that you serve cereal in. That's right. Hey, one time, Vince went on this big spill about, we've got to be serious. We've got to be real. It's got to be realistic. That's what it's got to be. And then later that day, he had horn swagger going through like a thing in the wall. You like the old cartoon. You have like a black door in the wall and he had a horn swagger walking the wall. Somebody else tried to walk through and hit the wall. And that was right the same day that Vince said, you've got to be realistic here. Yeah. And by the way, they tried to catch horn swagger that day with lucky charms. They were trying to catch him. They had like a net on like the old setup for him. Oh yeah. Yeah. They were trying to catch him. So they had like a trail of lucky charms. And like go in there. It's like a Wiley and the Road Runner. And you had like this big net that was going to come down and get it. And that was the same day Vince told us that we got to be realistic with our wrestling. Well, it's still realistic to me, damn it, as we learned. And Dave Wells, Dave Crockett and Dave Machu-Daves, they did very good. I thought they did very well. Very well. We had some fun with him, had some fun. That was our first one, a first couple in front of a live studio audience as well. So that was super fun. And we need, you know, next week, JBL, do you know who our guest is next week? I have no idea. EZE himself, Mr. Fischoff. Yes. Yes. Yes. He tells the greatest story in this thing with... You're doing so good. Arrive, hurt and jerk and leave. By the way, I know you're going into wrapping up and all that because you're such a great host. You're like a wonderful host. It's not what you told every one of our guests. No, I told everybody else because something completely different. I mean, the line to you or line to them. Conrad has stuck me with him. I think it's what I get. That's right. Conrad, by the way, is the greatest crowd control person ever. That's all we want to say. He's the best. He's the best. Well, we did it again. Two days, one episode. We arrived. We hurt and jerked. We will do it again next week. Eric Fischoff himself. Hope you all enjoy it for JBL. I'm Casio. Still real to us, damn it. Yes, it is. Thank you all so much for being here at our wedding. I can't believe I get to spend the rest of my life with a woman of my dreams. Speaking of dreams, have you ever dreamed of tasting all the colours of the rainbow because that is exactly what you get with Skittles? Five bold fruit flavours in every pack. Lemon, orange, lime, strawberry and blackcurrant. They're chewy. They're colourful. They're perfect. Just like my wife. So thank you for coming and remember to buy Skittles.