So True with Caleb Hearon

Maggie Winters Sees the Comments

64 min
Nov 20, 20256 months ago
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Summary

Caleb Hearon interviews comedian Maggie Winters about her creative process, mental health while traveling for work, food habits, and her upcoming film project 'Trash Mountain.' They discuss the challenges of maintaining healthy routines on the road, dealing with internet criticism, and the importance of focusing on process over outcome in creative work.

Insights
  • Traveling performers must reframe 'away life' as real life, not a consequence-free zone, to maintain consistent health habits across all locations
  • Affirmations and deliberate delusion are legitimate coping mechanisms for managing rejection and uncertainty in creative careers
  • Four-star hotels provide optimal amenities and service compared to three-star (indifferent) or five-star (overpriced, outdated) options for frequent travelers
  • Internet-mediated criticism lacks moral weight when it comes from people living screen-dependent lives disconnected from real-world relationships
  • Process-focused creative work (rather than outcome-focused) leads to better mental health and more authentic artistic output
Trends
Wellness-conscious touring: comedians and performers prioritizing hydration, movement, and nutrition during travel schedulesAffirmation apps and digital mental health tools becoming mainstream coping mechanisms for high-stress creative professionalsIndie film revival interest: younger creators rejecting studio comedy formulas in favor of small-budget, experimental projectsCreator-brand relationship shift: audiences and brands expecting authentic, selective partnerships rather than generic merchandise dropsInternet toxicity fatigue: public figures increasingly dismissing online criticism as coming from people with fundamentally different life experiences
Topics
Mental health management for touring performersFood and nutrition habits while travelingCreative process and outcome vs. process focusInternet criticism and online harassmentAffirmations and positive psychologyHotel quality and amenities comparisonIndie film production and financingBrand partnerships and sponsorship ethicsADHD and attention managementPolitical engagement and activismQueer identity and sexualityChicago culture and local diningTelevision and media consumptionPodcast production and audience engagementCharity and financial responsibility
Companies
Chase Bank
Shut down Maggie's credit card accounts due to unusual spending, which she challenged by citing charitable donations
KFC
Discussed extensively as a food temptation; Maggie put herself on a KFC timeout after consuming Nashville hot nuggets...
Taco Bell
Mentioned as late-night food option; Caleb prefers McDonald's while Maggie discusses Taco Bell's social eating culture
McDonald's
Caleb's preferred fast food chain; discussed frustration when sauce is forgotten in orders
Weber Grill
Chicago steakhouse mentioned as iconic dining experience; Caleb visited as high school student and was impressed
Hershey's
Example of brand reaching out with unsolicited merchandise (hats) after podcast mention
Goose Island Brewery
Mentioned in true/false segment; original location was Chicago, not St. Louis
Spirit Airlines
Mentioned in true/false segment; originally called Charter One Airlines
People
Maggie Winters
Guest comedian discussing creative process, mental health while touring, and upcoming film 'Trash Mountain'
Caleb Hearon
Podcast host interviewing Maggie; discusses his own creative projects and podcast production
Meryl Streep
Mentioned as competitor who booked a role that Maggie auditioned for, causing frustration
Phoebe Bridgers
Famous musician mentioned as potential group text addition; listens to the podcast
Taylor Swift
Referenced in discussion about famous people's communication methods and email practices
Yoko Ono
Artist whose museum exhibit inspired Caleb's idea for a 'So True' museum installation concept
Joe Rogan
Referenced in joke about museum exhibit concept featuring him in a cage
Katie Crutchfield
Musician (Waxahatchee) who listens to the podcast and texts feedback; released album 'Snowcaps' with sister
Allison Crutchfield
Katie's sister; collaborated on 'Snowcaps' album with Brad Cook and MJ Lenderman
Quotes
"I am unusual. I am unusually kind."
Maggie WintersOpening segment
"I am in charge of how I feel and today I am choosing happiness."
Maggie Winters (from affirmations app)Mental health discussion
"I've moved away from the idea that I can control any circumstances in my life. Now I'm trying to make my brain so strong that I can handle anything that ever happens to me."
Maggie WintersMental health segment
"Leave me alone. Like it unless it's with kindness but like if you just leave me alone with the other stuff."
Maggie WintersFinal 'So True' segment
"Podcasting is art."
Caleb HearonClosing segment
Full Transcript
This is a head gum podcast. And I called them and I said, I'm not allowed to donate money to charity. And they said, well, we consider this amount unusual. And I said, I am unusual. I am unusually kind. Oh my God. Marguerite. I'm... Bonjour. Bonjour. Hi, Viv. Oh my God. You marguerite, Mary. I just think it's fancy. I like it. It is fancy. If I was like in a different place in life, I'd probably go buy it. Marguerite. Yeah, I didn't when I lived in France because my team, my team, my team, my people at the family I lived with. Calling your host family your team. In the word team so much that it was in my head. But it was a harder for them to say Maggie because it's French people. They'd be like, Maggie. But Maggie. Like a heat. It was like easier. That's so beautiful. They call me that. Can I call you that? Yeah, for now, on just. I'll just go, guys, this next comic. I've known her for years. She's an absolute killer. Please welcome to the stage. Magadette. Windage. I come out of her and it's like, isn't that Magdus Maggy? Yeah, I think that's Magdau. Not Magdau. I saw her in a gutter off my word last night. I don't think that's Marguerite. Oh my God. Magdau. My grandma's name was Marguerite, but they call her Mag. Mag? That's really cool. Is it? Wait, what was when I heard the other day that I really liked? Oh, I meant to write this down. Oh, God. It was a... For Marguerite. No, it was... It was... Maybe the name was like, I'm getting it wrong, but it was a woman they called Van. Okay. They're like, they're like, they're like, oh, that's Van. The name was like, a vanjeline or something. Oh, that's cool. And I was like, Van's a fun nickname for that. Yeah, so yeah. I feel like, if she's gay, was she gay? Well, you know, all older women kind of are. Yeah, I'm learning that. Don't you feel that? I'm learning that everyone is obviously a little gay. But... Women in their 70s and 80s, like you talk to them and... Or you hear them talked about and it's like, oh, that's Madge. Yeah. She's her and her husband had nothing in common. Her greatest joy is when he went on a work trip and she got to be alone for a week. Her deepest, most important relationships with a woman in her life. Yes. There were the only ones that knew how to hold her, which she was upset. It's like, that's a gay woman. Honey, they just weren't allowed, you know? Yeah. They didn't know they could go there. God, that was made it so hot that it wouldn't happen. I know. When they're seven years old. Yes. Yes. I talked to my mom about now. My mom's too tired. She's always laying down. Your mom's in Ike. And I went, oh my God. She is one of the funniest people in the world without meaning to be. My skin is so dry that it's like falling apart. Welcome to Chicago. I know. I'm home. Is that Exama? No. It's just, what's the difference between Exama and dry skin? A lot. That was the thing I was saying. Honey, a lot. I don't want to upset the Exama community. I'm part of it. It's OK, guys. There's a lot of, yeah. Oh, wow. I've had it since I was born. I have noomular eggs in my two, which is, it looks like a ringworm, which is awesome. Because people will be like, oh, you have ringworm. I go, no, no, no. I have noomular eggs in my mouth. I call them eggs in my mouth. They're like, well, check it out. People are saying, oh, you have ringworms. They're pointing at me. They're pointing at me. Man, man, man, man, man. You're disgusting. You have ringworms. Yeah, you have ringworms. You need to get out of this Weber girl. I am a gold number at the Weber girl. I'm a no, I'm never a band. You haven't. Would you go? What's funny is I visited Chicago in high school. And it was like the first major, like, US city I'd never visited. Yeah. Major city at all. I'd never been to like, Kansas city. But I haven't been like a big, big city. And we went to the Weber girl in downtown Chicago that has the grill hanging off of it. Of course, iconic. And we had like, I would got a steak and like, sides. And I remember being like, this is the fancy as restaurant in the world. Like, I left being like, Weber grill is like the height of dining. And I genuinely was like, we left and I was like, I can't believe we did that. I can't believe we were at the Weber girl. Did they, did they cook the steaks on a Weber girl there? I don't know. I would love to know. I wish they did. Weber girl reach out. Please, yeah, me and let me know. It's funny. The podcast has gotten to a place now where when we mention stuff, they do reach out. Yeah. Like, it used to be a joke to be like, to be like, oh, you know, Hershey's reach out and then they're in my DMs being like, can we send a hat? And it's like, hold on. Hershey's. First of all, yes. Of course. And of all, I honestly, here's one thing I want to say. Say it. Brands need to stop sending shit. Yeah. Unless it is extremely cool. Yeah. But when they're just sending you like a water bottle and a hat, it's like, hey, so that's more shit that I'm either throwing away. Right. Or is sitting in my closet that I don't have room for? Yes. Stop sending shit. Stop. Unless, I, something I need. Unless there's something I need. Yeah. Call me. Call me. Call me. Call me. Say what do you need? Those causes. How could, how could Hershey serve you? You can't even hat and not chocolate. It's like, what the hell? Sins chocolate. Please, sins chocolate. And honestly, even if you're not a chocolate brand. Then chocolate. Boas. Yeah. Oh, we got both. Sins chocolate. P.P. oil. Sins chocolate. Everybody's Sins chocolate. Fuckin' of oil. You're like, what the hell is this? God, I'm trying to eat better. Oh, my God. How's it going? Yeah. My girl Daisy hooked you up. Yeah. I'm trying to eat better. Here's the thing. Yeah. Say it. This is the realization I had. And I wonder if you feel similarly. Okay. And I basically what happened was there was a period of years there where my career was starting out. And I would be gone sometimes. And it was like, oh, my away life is like this fake free time where I can do whatever I want. And I would eat fried food at 2 in the morning. And I would smoke weed and like fuck off and not exercise and not drink water. Yeah. And I'd be like, that's fine because it's my away life. It's fake. And now I have, I have worked in my life. And I have realized my home life is fake. Mm. And my away life is life. Yeah. And I'm like, actually, if every time you're staying somewhere else, you don't move your body and drink water and eat one singular vegetable. Yes. That actually is just your life. Yes. And then at home, I'm like, I'm like eating salads and stuff and being like, oh, it's so good to be home. And it's like, yeah, you have to do this elsewhere. You have to do this all the time. You have to add vegetables in the rotation. Because this is what they say or is key. But it's tough because away life used to be just like a fake little game that didn't exist. No, I thought 1000% agree. Do you know what I mean? I had to have this conversation with myself. Because for the long time, the airport amount like an airport drink and an airport snack, about $40. And then I had to be like, this is actually for work. So I'm going to bring my self-agrenable bar. And I'm not going to look at anti-ans or whatever the hell. Yeah. Well, it's hard because at a certain point, like when you travel for work as much as we do, going to the airport kind of becomes like catching an Uber. Yes. If I don't get on that fight, I'll just get on the next one. Right. It really becomes such a rote thing that you do have to like check your habits and be like, yes. I can't actually eat garbage at 8 a.m. No. Because you're going to ruin my whole day. I was buying flips, you know flips, chocolate bread pretzel. Oh, yeah. I was going, we don't need to be buying flips every time with the airport. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Like, yeah, literally, we were like, I was like, it triggered my brain. I was like, where the airport flip, where the flips? Every fat person has a thing that they had to put themselves on time out for. Last year, last year, I had to put myself on a KFC time out. Yeah. Which was, No. Where were you getting? I had to go on a KFC break. This is so horrendous, Maggie. I'm going to say, I'm just going to say something. Say it. I was getting the Nashville hot nuggets from KFC. Yes. Dipping it in their ranch. Of course. They're like prepackaged. Yeah. And getting a kind of heartburn. Yeah. Doctors don't even yet understand. No. There are certainly lines in my like heart lungs and stomach lining right now from that. And I was doing it enough. I probably did it like, in my defense, I did it like four times in two weeks. Yeah. Which isn't psycho, but it is certainly crazy. Like in the levels of what you see. Yeah. And I literally, I had to, I'm not kidding when I say, I looked myself in a physical mirror and said, No more KFC. No more. I'm going to KFC. Stop it. Yeah. KFC is about to reach out and be like, can we sit chocolate? I, oh my god. I, one of the first times I got stoned out of my mind was in Amsterdam. Yeah. My 21st birthday. Because I was like there and I was like, I can drink. And I remember, I was like, you can drink here when you're 10. So like get over it. So smoke. So they're like, yeah, so I had a space cake and we, I was so high and I saw KFC. Yeah. I remember eating it and being like, there's no greater food in the world. KFC is special. But then the next day I was like, and it was an amateur though. I was like, what is my problem? Nothing. I truly knew that nothing would ever stop me from eating garbage. When there was an, I was like big on KFC in college when I was really depressed. Yeah. And I saw like, there was like one of those articles that was like, like dead mouse found in KFC bucket of chicken. And they had accidentally like breaded and fried the mouse and ended up in a bucket. And I saw that and I was like, that's someone else's problem. There's never been one in my bucket. I wish that the hair in my food, I'm like, I actually don't care. I'm still eating this. Yeah. I wish I can have, I have friends who are like, oh my god, this something looks off. And I'm like, I wish I had that inside of me. I have friends. I wish that things could stop me. I wish those things could stop me. But that in me. No, I have friends that are like, oh, can we not eat there? That place has like a bee health rating. I don't fucking care. I don't give a shit. The government's not going to tell me where to eat it. We don't have those kind of ratings in Chicago. Yeah. Which the bear season one, they kind of did the ratings thing. Oh, did they? So calling on them out on that call. Yeah, go ahead, call the bear. Yeah, like one of the first scenes he's like putting a C and we go, we don't do that. It's not us. It's not a fuck. Make a sick. Make a sick. Make a sick. Mr. Beef, I want it. If I don't walk in and I don't see dirt on the ground, I'm like, I don't want it. Why am I here? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I really, I did put myself on a KFC timeout. Oh my god. Why are you doing mentally and emotionally? Oh god. Actually, oh my god. What if I start sobbing? That's okay. Maggie, that's really good. For real, that's okay. I've just got really weird. No, this podcast is many things. I think being on the road a lot is like so hard. And like the food, the, the, the trying to move my body, but then I'm so tired from like the travel part of it. They like get to my hotel and I'm like, I would just love to lay here for hours, but then actually that doesn't feel good. Yeah. And I had to like go do a comedy show. Yeah. But then I'm like, I have to be the clown tonight. I know. I have to put on my nose. And then you like open your phone and the, the internet's like 17,000 children died today. And you're like, great. No, I wanted to see that. Yeah, I'm hoping for that. No, that's good. Yeah. And also someone I hate is on vacation. Yeah. And someone else booked. And then I didn't. Yeah. Every time I, every time you open your phone, it's like, hey, two big things. You didn't book and someone else did. 17,000 children are dead. And it's like, okay. Okay. And then all of a sudden you're like, let's see what's up at KFC. Yeah. And then you're like, you know what? I said no to that. I'm going to go back to that. Yeah. I am. And the thing about when I, when I don't book is like, I'm always like, I think I'm going to get this part. And then I like open my phone and it's like, Maryl Street booked it. I'm like, oh, right. It was the most frustrating. Oh, those are the most frustrating ones. Yes. It was me or her, I think, I think. Those are the most frustrating ones where like you later learn like, oh, they were waiting to hear back from the person they wanted that got off her only. Yes. And in the meantime, they collected tapes. And I stupidly killed myself trying to do good. I was literally like talking to people like, I think I had something big coming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely not. How are you doing mentally, emotionally? If I could sum it up for you in an anecdote. Yeah. Two days ago, I downloaded an affirmations app to create affirmations for me. Yes. I'm working on, I've kind of moved away from the idea that I can control any circumstances in my life. Yeah. And I've moved towards the idea of, I'm over that. Yeah. I'm not going to worry about circumstances anymore. It's no longer my, I'm not focused on that. Now, I'm trying to make my brain so strong that I can handle anything that ever happens to me. Yeah. And so I've moved into affirmations, which is 100% a cry for help. Yeah. Like I'm like, to be. No, but that's what everyone says is the thing to do. No. I'm trying to be, I'm genuinely trying to tap more into delusion. I moved away from it briefly. And I was delusional for a long time. Yeah. And then I checked in on reality too hard. And now I'm trying to move back to delusion. Yeah. So I'm reading affirmations. I'll follow you there. Just pick me up and we'll look at there. I'll tell you when it gave me yesterday. I have to delete it because I can go using AI. So I have to delete the app and find a new way to get my affirmations. But the one they made me yesterday, it says, I am in charge of how I feel and today I am choosing happiness. That's the kind of stuff I'm working on. That's the kind of stuff. I'm in charge of how I feel and today. I'm choosing happiness. That is crazy because that's like shit my dad used to say to me and I was younger. 100%. But I don't, you just call my dad once a day. I will. First of all, well, I'll be like, put, get off the bicycle and let's chat. Let's go, Willie. It's what's crazy is I am in a place in my life where like reading that moved me almost to tears. Yeah. You're so bright. I was like, yeah, why didn't I choose happiness? Yeah. Stupid. I was like, you should have chosen happiness you fool. You idiot. Like, that was there all along. No, I'm good. I'm making this movie right now. We're in the beautiful city of Chicago because I'm filming Trash Mountain and it's so exciting. Yes. But yeah, it's been a year of like, like working really hard and making stuff and it's been so cool. And I feel really creatively tapped into something that I've never been tapped into. Yeah. Not never, but I've been creatively tapped. I've been tapped into creativity before. So right now tapped into like an obsession with process that feels so good to be like, I am actually not focused on outcome right now. And I've talked about this a lot, but I am actually genuinely focused on process at the moment. And I love it. Yeah. And also I am really tired. Yeah. Yeah. So the affirmations are like needed. Yes. And I'm drinking a bunch of water. Oh, come on. For two reasons. Right here. My body needs it. Yes. I've heard. I've been training a lot to be able to cry on camera. Oh my god. You need the water in the movie. And one of the things that came up in like my research and like process building was like, you need to drink a fuck ton of water. Because you're about to get it out. It needs to expel. That makes sense to me. It does to me too, but why don't I didn't think of that. So now I'm like a guy who carries a water bottle around. Oh, I have one of those. Like the joggy. It's a hydro drug. It's like this. It's huge. Yeah. And I'm like, walking around like. Yeah. Hello. I got on tour. I'll be like, where's the ice in the water? Yeah. And what's crazy to me is if you stay like a nicer like a four star hotel. They're like every floor has ice and water. If you stay at a three, they're like, you should go down the block and kill yourself. We don't have water here. Are you out of your mind? Yeah. My favorite is when you stay like a, well, here's my big hotel. Yeah. A thing that most people listening to this are going to find unlikeable and unrelatable. Okay. And that's just where things are right now. Yeah. I'm sorry, but that's where things are right now. The best thing to do it, the best place you can stay is a four star hotel. Yeah. Two in one are obviously just like not even in the conversation for me at this point. I've had that chapter of my life and it's I hope it's gone forever. Three's are, three's are like that. Yeah. It's just like no amenities. The room is usually pretty nice, but like they don't care if you're there. No. And then you think like, oh, what about a five star? Actually, no. Actually, no. Because those are usually like 120 years old. Yeah. They haven't renovated the toilet. They haven't like the showers, not gorgeous. Yeah. They will do amenities really nice. Like if you call the front desk at a five star hotel and you're like, I need a chocolate cake now. They'll find you on. Yeah. But it's too much money for not being as nice as a four star. A four star, yeah. So I just wanted to tell you guys for anyone who's able to were taking this conversation, that's my take. Yeah. Stay at the four stars. You can. The three star just know that when you check in, they're going to be pissed that you're there. They're mad. They're, yeah. Oh, my God. Every time they're like, they're mad. Your room is not ready. No. By the way. Yeah. By the way. 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I donated a lot of money to a charity. Let's go. So, and I called them and I said, I'm not allowed to donate money to charity. And they said, I'm not allowed to donate money to charity. Yeah. And they said, well, we consider this amount unusual. And I said, I am unusual. I am unusually kind. I am unusually kind. Oh my god. And turn my ship back on. The person on the phone is like, what the hell? I am unusually generous. Turn my ship on now. I'm going to be donated again. And I'll do it again. Don't clock it. And I did the next day. I donated again. Oh my god. Two different things. But I was like, you guys can't just turn my ship off. No, the, yeah, the hotel thing is very real. And also, I want to say like, me getting distracted by, I don't know, a piece of chip on the floor. Yeah. Someone the other day, one of my shows is like, so you have ADHD, right? I was like, what? Like, because I just get just like, I'm doing a show of someone stands up and is like, I'm going to say it. I'm going to talk about it. Yeah. And they're like, you've ADHD. I was like, I don't think so. I've never been diagnosed. And she goes, well, they're seven kinds. So, oh my god. Who, who is this? Were you speaking with a medical doctor? Yeah, they had a white coat on in the middle of the show. And I was going to, she goes, she goes, she goes, she goes, she goes, breathe in for me. Yeah. What's going on? You have ADHD. I had to have a, I had to have a physical the other day for the movie, like to clear me for insurance or whatever. And the guy came to set and he was really nice. He was really sweet. But he was like, he was like, every time I would do something, he would like, praise me in a way that felt like, either you think I'm stupid or you're like shocked that a fat person can stand down. Oh my god. But he was like, stand on one leg for me. And I have really good balance actually. And I stood on one leg for like kind of a long time and he was like, okay, show off. And I was like, do you not think I can stand? No, no, people think that we, like fat people can't do anything. I know, it's crazy. Or like, yeah, I mean, this is obviously like classic. But like, I remember getting a burger with how, I got to let it, let it, scrap burger. And this girl, my old job, like looking, she was a good perillil. I was like, I'm about to order a fucking bag at it. To this, to this room. To this room. To this room. Yeah. Yeah. Don't comment. Do not. Yeah. I had a moment like this recently, where I was biking in New York and I stopped at a, it was like, there was a construction on a four way. Yeah. And so they had like, you know, like staff, not staff, but like, whatever, like, I'm thinking of Modot, which is Missouri Department of Transportation, but like, whatever the transportation people are out there, like guiding traffic. Yes, yes, yes. And there was an older, like, Caribbean woman in a thing, like stopping people. And I was stopped right next to her on my bike. So we're, you know, like this. And I was like, hey, how's your day going? And she was like, pretty good, not bad. I want to the accent. And I know you guys want me to, but I'm not going to. And by the way, it's not because I wouldn't kill at it. But I was like, hey, how's your day going? And she's like, she's like, pretty good. It's been like, nice weather and stuff. I was like, how cool was everyone be nice? And she's like, yeah, yeah. And I was like, God, it's a beautiful day. And she was like, it is Andrew getting some extra soul. Oh. And I'm not giving you, I went. Oh, sure, I was like, I was like, I was like, I'm in the, and then the thing turned for me to go. And I was like, well, have a good day. And she was like, you too. Oh, my God. But she was like an older Caribbean woman. Like, you can tell that it was like a nice thing to say. And I was like, I am getting some exercise. It's not untrue. She's about to go home and be like, guys, I saw Miracle today. I saw man. She's like, I saw man changes like today. I think I encouraged him. I'm like a normal bike ride. I take all the time. Oh, my God. No, I, yeah, just leave me alone. Actually. Leave me alone is like a big sentiment that I have in general. Yes. Did I go just leave me alone? If you're, yeah, leave me alone on the internet big time. But there that's not going to happen. What's happening to you on there? I mean, not just me. I just feel like everyone, like, you can't, you can't like post anything without like some, you can't post like, I could post just, what about, hello? I just absolutely, help me. No, you could post like, um, hey guys, I'm, I'm, I'm, unusual. I'm donating to charity today. Yeah. And people would be like, you have insane hands or something. You're like, well, what the hell is that about? Yeah, they're coming for you. They actually come from my nostrils all the time. I talk about it a lot. You've told me that this is a thing. All the time. Or just like in general, I like, you go to someone else's video and then like the first comment is like, nothing to do with the video. And you're like, this person, I guess we all just need therapy. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think so. Maybe I don't know. I think that. I'm just worried about people. I don't mean. I am too. People don't mean and people are not, um, we're just not connected. No, we never need to. It's a lot of anti social behavior that I'm like, it also even people I like, like people that, you know, sometimes, um, I don't want to talk too much about like the internet. But some people that, that comment things to me were like, like, when I make a joke about like lesbians or something. Yeah, yeah. And like lesbian, like, like 10 lesbians will comment and be like, thousands of people love the joke. Yes. And I'm like, I don't like that he feels comfortable speaking on people this way. And it's like the, the disconnect that you're having is that I have actual friends in real life. And, but you live your, your whole identity plays out on the internet. Yeah. And the disconnect that we're having and the reason you feel so genuinely and righteously and confidently upset. Yeah. Is because your whole dynamic takes place with unreal people through screens. Yeah. And I am living in the real world with real actual people. And this is how real people talk to each other. Yeah. Real friends feel comfortable speaking on each other's identities and stuff like that. And that's what I'm saying. Because we're actual friends. Yes. And you're living a screen mediated life that the only thing that gives you power and connection is like policing and, and likes and upvotes and comments. Yeah. And that's the disconnect we're not having. The disconnect we're having is not actually a moral one. No. It's actually like a, I don't even know how to say it, but it's actually like a, I live in the real world and you don't. Yeah. And that's not to say that you're stupid or anything. I think they're usually quite smart. I'm just like, we're living two different lives and the reason I don't care about what you have to say is because I don't want to live like you. No. Do you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. But policing thing is great. Like everyone's like, hey, cab, but then they're like, you said Sherbert was gay seven years ago. Right. And it is a little guy. And it is a little guy. Why would it be those colors? Why would it be those colors? I worked to be a kid. I was just being those colors. That's pretty obvious to me. We need to bring back the show, the real world, I think, and give people off from the internet on it. I feel like I saw some of it. That's disgusting. The real world. Yeah. They would go to different cities and all live in a house together. I remember the cities. Seven people picked a living house. It was strangers that are telling like it is. Tell us. I've seen like clips. Yeah, clips. But I never really like sat down and watched it. I don't think I was never a big TV guy. Bring it back. What? Bring it back. You know, like TV. I watched, there was like a couple things I watched, but I've never been a big TV guy. What do you do? I listen to music a lot. Yeah, you actually are music freak. I listen to music a lot. And I really don't like so much of I think watching TV like really like being good at keeping up with something is watching TV alone. Yeah. And I don't like hanging out alone that much. Oh, yeah, that's me. So I like to, I like, or if I am hanging out alone, I like to go to a coffee shop and like, right or like work on something. Oh, no, not like that. You know what I mean? Like I feel I get really bored. It's kind of different. I listen to music. I don't like your charity. It's kind of different for me. I listen to music and like seeing people. Honey, I'm watching TLC learning channel and watching a thousand-pound sisters. Are you? Absolutely. They're the funniest. I just think it's like a such a, what do you say? I said, fuck yeah, it's one of my favorite shows. Fuck yeah, I think people, you know, they're like a little, like 600 pound life is like, what's the word exploit? Exploited? Exploited? Thank you so much. Yeah, I did go to a state school, so I don't really know that kind of stuff. It's just like they're just the funniest people in the world and they're so like, they're so joyful and, you know, and I just also think it's like a good middle of the country. Like let's get to know it's not just East Coast West Coast. They come on. Yeah, they're funny. Did they live in Missouri? No, they live in Kentucky. Kentucky. Yeah, same difference. No, no. And they're, they're actually lost, they both lost on a weight. They're crazy as hell. Tammy came out as pansexual and her family, her whole family was like, what the hell? A pan? I'm like, it was amazing. I just really, yeah. Absolutely. That is really fun. Yeah, and like, yeah, they're awesome. They make some of the most disgusting food you've ever seen, like just genuinely trying though. Yeah. One time they were like making, she was making Alfredo sauce, but she was like, I'm gonna put chocolate in it to do like a white chocolate to make it like a mole and people were like, I don't think so. I said, good for her for trying to. Good for her. Yeah. Like, discuss and then her whole family goes, this is the worst thing we've ever had. God forbid a woman in STEM experiment. She had an idea she went with it. Like, what the hell? What's so wrong with that? Well folks, I have some pretty exciting news. After I went on her show, me and Kylie Kelsey got to, oh, it's Kylie. Okay. Me and Kylie Kelsey got to talking and we came up with something I think you're gonna like and that's watching a dang football game together. Kylie and I are not just watching the Chiefs versus Colts game together on Sunday, November 23rd. We'll also be live chatting about it in a WhatsApp group chat. I'm really excited about this one actually. I love her so much. And you can join to see what we're saying with the chat from WhatsApp and off-ball. Spots will be limited, so stay tuned on the So True Social Accounts for the Signup link. And thank you for Janie and advance for posting those. I watch a lot of TV. I'm just like, you know, I'm chilling on TV, not dating, not listening to music actually. Yeah. I listen to music. I listen to. Is there anything you're big on right now? Any music you're really big on at the moment? Well, I'm loving the Leon's album. Obviously, so good. I, Audrey Hoberts album this year was like, I listened to it nonstop. I'm gonna be feeling like a teenager. Do you remember? I mentioned this to someone recently and they gave me kind of crazy eyes. Am I the only one who remembers in pitch perfect, the puppets to the Liliana song? Oh, thank you. Bucky, baby, baby. I don't remember the puppets. I really, this is like starting to become like a monochrome thing. Yeah. I mean, that'll affect where I'm like, am I the only one who remembers the puppets? They were puppeting to that song. They're called the Soca Pele's. Yeah. Oh, they were like competition. But it was like an interstitial. It was like, yeah, it was like a one cutaway gag chance you moved off the screen, Christ. You're showing me a blank screen. And it has like one job and he can't I pull up the picture. Maggie, I'm so sorry that yeah. Oh, good for them. Other actual sock puppets too. The way he totally tuned me out. Just trying to recover. It's very bounce back. Your microphone matches your shirt. It's kind of nice. You guys can't see it's pink and pink. He's representing women today. Because pink is girl. Booley. Sorry. Are you okay? Maggie, why do you have a blue mic? Yeah. Oh, big news. I actually, I'm a strong sheer and sometimes I feel bad about it. Really? Yeah. Why is that? Well, I wish I could, you know, under band, but I'm kind of like, girl, pop. My squirrels inside of me. You're making trainer. She follows me on TikTok. So I'm not talking bad about my friend, making trainer. Making trainer. Yeah. What was her song? Bass. Bout that bass. And then she said, what was the one that was like, if there was like a line that was like, if you're fat or something about like, oh, that. I gotta focus. Sorry. I do have ideas, Jay. You for sure, yeah. She had some lyric that was like, people were like going crazy about it. They're like, you're making fun of skinny people. It's like for ones. Yeah. I don't care. No, I don't care at all. I have never once cared. And the thin people are always trying to get a like, wow. Change, change, skinny to fat here and see if you like it. No, I won't. And shut the fuck up. I'm told to eat a cheeseburger a lot. I'm like, that would be, if someone told me that, I would feel happy. Do you know what I would do if someone told me to eat a cheeseburger? What? I would. And I would. I'd be fine to have a great day. You like smash or are you like big? Oh, I like smash burgers. Yeah. I don't like when a burger is like huge. No, like a Mondo burger from. Yeah. One of my big complaints actually is when they do sandwiches too much. Yes. If I can't, if I can't grab it like this. I can get the mouth around. You can take one bite with just my regular mouth. Yeah. If I'm having like, unhinge my jaw like a fucking anaconda to get in there. Yeah. You're saying which is too big. You're saying which is way too big. It's not cool that you did that. Let's get it down. Yeah. Let's get it down. And let's have a good sauce to veggie to meet ratio. Oh my gosh. Yeah. If there's a mouth-off. My mouth is watering. Oh my god. I'm hungry. I'm not lunch. We got waters. I'm hooking up. Oh, you know, there's a poke place near here that I like. Oh my god. Maybe I get poke after this. I'm in Hawaii. I love it. I love poke. I got into seafood last year lobster crab. What's the shrimp? Thank you. What's the shrimp? Hold on. Hold on. I'm coming. I'm coming up with it. Shim shim shim shim. And now and then I had poke and it was amazing. I'm trying. But like when people are like, do you want like fish? I'm like, ooh, let me think about that. Yeah. Like a brand new. Or something. Yeah. Oh, I like a brand new though. Oh, I'll get there. You'll get there. I'll get there. I love fish. And he's always like, come on. Fish is great. Try the fish. Fish is one of those seafood in general is one of those things that like I can I can eat a filling amount and not feel bad afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. Which is nice. Yeah. Shrimp cocktail change my life. Shrimp cocktail is everything. Dip. Come on. Come on. With a dip. Shrimp cocktail. Dip. Come on. Dip. Come on. Maggie. Yeah. What's going on? Like if you're not taking candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy candy podcast. Do I need my voice but I'm like you know fuck it. I'm gonna do it. Someone else's staple view is amazing producing it so it's like I just show up, rock out. Would you cracko? With my cock out. Yeah I'm gonna have in spowl and your footsteps have my dad on it. I know you're in mom on it. My mom I said my dad's gonna be on my mom and I'm like what the hell? Like one day girl. She goes what the hell he on to. And you go who taught you that? Yeah. She goes what the hell he. Yeah. That's so funny. Yeah. Um yeah the pot I'm gonna film some here. Someone LA all over the damn place. What's been your favorite and least favorite part of since starting it? Since starting it? Yeah like what is the thing you've loved? Is there a thing you've been surprised about? Is there a thing you've been like you've kind of hated that you didn't expect or like tell me about the process of doing it? Because I think it's so it's it's interesting because when I started mine when I started this one it was kind of like oh we'll just see if it takes you or not and now it's become like. Is it doing okay? So you're okay. It's people do people know about it? It's accidentally become like the most vital part of my creative life actually. Yeah I'm seeing kind of it next to so cutting videos every day. Which I that's good for us. Yeah. Yeah we like that. But what about how's it been for you? What is the what have you learned so far? The thing I think it's interesting to like I don't like it need I was filming some of New York and to have to like go somewhere to do something is always hard. Yeah. And you're like I have to get up and I have to go and then I get there and the guest is always a blast and I'm always laughing. I've been laughing. The internet part of it is hard. Your team obviously is like we want to get the clips and go in about people love the clips and then you again share a clip and the internet is always weird about everything. So that's like the harder part but getting to like laugh with people. Getting to laugh with people right this down guys. Getting to laugh with people is amazing. But this in your notes y'all. Put this in your affirmations. Yeah it's fun. It is fun. I'm excited to see where it goes you know I don't know. Yeah. Also what you were saying about showing up anywhere that you have to be. Yeah. A nightmare. Yeah. Even if I and then I get there I'm like this is awesome. I was I almost every time. Yes. But the but here's what I'll say in our defense. Yeah. Those few times that you didn't want to go to something and you powered through and then you ended up being right and it sucks. Oh those. Yeah. Those have a lot more sticking power than the more times that you go to something and it turns out to be awesome. Yes. It's a more visceral feeling of like God damn it. Yeah. I didn't trust myself. Yes. So there's a sticking power with that. Yeah. What when what's the last time we showed up something and you were like this sucked. Um usually for me it's when I. I'm like what? No usually for me it's when I agree to go to a second or third bar. Oh I'll never regret going to the first one. I almost always the first one is like good for you. You got out. You saw people you said hello. It was really nice seeing everybody. You loved it. You felt energized by it and inspired and it was fun to see your friends. When I agree to go to the second or third place it's usually about seven minutes into that that I go you should have fucking called it. Yeah. It should have been over. You should have just called it all the time on tour not so much anymore but we used to be like go to a really fun bar. Meet cool people and they'd be like come to this like sometimes they'd come to our apartment and let me walk in apartment and I go these people are 22. Yeah. I'm this I'm about to get like not that anything's happening but it's like I'm about to be like on a TV show like yeah 35-year-old woman is a 22 year old woman's house. Why? Yeah. It's just how it feels like I need to go actually it's like that snapchat screenshot of that woman where it's like so there's a 56 year old woman here. Yeah. I just saw that. That's me. I'm like I'm the corner like it's just it's just not and especially like as I get older I'm like I need to just go to bed like it's not it doesn't feel good anymore. Yeah. Except if I do say out if I say out to like two or three it's like whatever if I say I'll like to six AM or something I'm like this is the crazy crazy it's not in my life and I'm not even doing drugs. Yeah. I want to make that clear. Yeah. With audience. But what's like I must have been having the time of my life. You must have been. It happens when you work a lot. The East air is crazy. I know. It's funny. I wondered if living there I would be out a lot more. Yeah. And I will say there are more often nights in New York that I that I have been out and I look at my the the time. Yeah. And I go oh my God it's 3 AM. Yeah. Now I'm not one of these New York people that's like oh my God the sun's coming up. I'll catch it before them. But it is just easier to be out late on accident. Yeah. Exactly. And a fun way. You're having a blast. Look at your phone. What the hell? I will say. I lived in L.A. for four with L.A. on today. I lived in L.A. for four years. Yes. And I will say every time I thought that I would be like oh my God it must be like me. Check my phone. It's 730. Yeah. Oh everyone in L.A. is like oh we must have to go to bed now. Oh you're like we just got here. We just order the appetizers. Yeah. Like no time. It's really tough out there. I'm gonna get up and hike and drink juice. They do. They do. They love it. I don't like that stuff so much. I have tried like I did the hikes a few times and it's just like so funny. I'm like I could do this and then I get to the top. I'm like my friends are like wow like I'm like Jesus great. I don't feel empowered by that. Then for one week I like I'm like I feel empowered for a week of like I did that. Yeah. Then I'm eating KFC, Nashville. Dude they're good. I would be lying if I said I wasn't feeling it right now. I used to get the um when I was in high school they had like the mini slider sandwiches. Oh I don't know those. Why are they called like Twisterbites or something like that? I've like give me through the drive. Let's go with the Twisterbites. Yeah. That's so funny. And they had fries. Oh they're wedges. They had wedges fries. They're wedges their season wedges were good. Yeah. No they don't rest in peace. Fuck. Fuck. We have a question for you. Oh I'm can't wait to hear it. If you if someone okay if someone came to you right now some like rich person. Okay. Ethical. Ethical millionaire. Ethical okay. Ethical millionaire came to you and they were like we have we'll say three million dollars. Okay. We have three million dollars. You have to spend it's kind of a Brewsters million situation. You have to spend every cent of it on one creative project. Oh. What would you make with it? Like what would you spend? It doesn't have to be like it can be anything but what it what what would you spend three million dollars on? So I can't like buy a house. This is like a no you have to spend it on a creative project and what it can be is if you're like oh I have an idea for a movie that would probably only cost a million. Yeah. You can just pay everyone. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. What would be your thing? I would make a movie for sure. What would the movie be? Um oh my god. Are you going to give me three million dollars today? He's like the think about it. It depends on how good this pitch is. Oh my god. I don't know when I wasn't prepared. I need other um I I have a TV show idea but I need to think of a good movie idea. Yeah. I have one because I moved in with my parents this year shout out and last year actually and it was like during the election but it's weird because my dad is liberal but it was like being 35 living back at home with my my dad who talks about Trump every single day. Yeah. I think it would be a fun movie. Yeah. Yeah. And like just like our relationship. That I wonder if your dad is like my grandpa my grandpa is like a I will wife long railroad guy. Yeah. You would never expect it. He fucking hates Trump. Oh yeah. And he hates him to the point where we're like all right man like oh wait. He brings it up so often it's like we're actually we hate him in a way where we're trying not to think about him. Yeah. It'll be in the middle of dinner. There's like too long a pause and he'll be like at god damn. Crock Trump. And it's like no we know and we agree and thank god you feel that way. The exact same my dad today a breakfast I'm sitting there. He's like guess who was on 60 minutes last night. I was like can you go Trump. So I didn't watch it. I'm like okay why are you telling me that? I was like what was he talking about he goes I don't know I didn't watch it like the mario's like what yeah he talks about it and like I actually called my one time I was like you talk about Trump. So does your mom I'm like what? no she doesn't. He's obsessed. She's obsessed with that. She's voted for him six times. Did you do the math? No no she's yeah she has a pen on her bag right now that says he's an idiot. Love. Doesn't say the word Trump just says he's an idiot. She's like I want people to point it out. Queen. I know. She wants him to go who when she has Trump. Trump. Trump. Who's an idiot? That's a Trump. The liar in chief. No literally. I know. I love it though. I love like we part of I think part of our national healing is going to have to be re-embracing Cornball. Yes. Like democracy now. Yeah. Like we're going to have to bring them back into the fold and actually be proud of that like RBG tote like we're going to have to be proud of them again. Photo of me at 22 features female. Yeah. Nasty woman. Oh I had an eye with her shirt. Yeah. I wore every day that I could. Yeah. Because I was in Southern Missouri and I wanted to I wanted people to know like I'm not like these other fuckers. Guess what? I'm with her. I'm unusual. I'm with her. I'm with her. I love that shirt. Oh my god. Yeah. I'm not thinking about that. And I was with her. Yeah I was and a lot of ways. I was with her. You know. I was with her. And I and I and it's funny because now I look back and I'm like if I knew now what I know now. If I knew then. Yeah. If I knew then now what I could have known then for now. Yeah. If I now knew then. Yes. Now if I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have been with her so hard but at the time I didn't know so much about like I didn't know so much about like like Neo-Con like Warhockey like I didn't know so many things that I know now. Yeah. So I was just like oh my god. I didn't know who likes gay people. I'm with her. Yeah. And she's a ball-tick. Yeah. You know like there's it's a beautiful time when I didn't know who Jeffrey Epstein was you know. Didn't know who Jeffrey Epstein was. And I did make a huge mistake the other day of downloading the victims book onto my Kindle on the plane because I panicked and I didn't it couldn't have in my AirPods and I said let me just download a book and on fiction and then it's the most I mean it's obviously it's just most scary. I'm on the plane going. Screaming my head off. It's really scary stuff. It's obviously not funny. You wanted to bring this up on the it's just like the idea of you getting kind of bored and going like yeah I guess I'll download the Epstein victims book. It's like that's crazy. I know and then now I feel kind of a guilt where I'm like I have to read it because she told her story like I have to read it. Yeah we have to listen to every page I'm my eyes are bleeding because it's no it's terrific. Yeah. What would you do if you could make a project at any project right now? But I had well I am making it actually with trash mountain which is really nice but but for X if someone came to me with a fresh $3 million and I couldn't invest it into trash mountain. Yeah. And was like what would you make? I have this idea for a script that I don't want to spoil but I have this movie idea it's sort of a um seeking a friend for the end of the world meets her um five minutes in the future type movie. Let's say pretty grounded in our current reality but just a little bit push forward. Yeah. And it's a script I've been really I haven't written it yet but I've outlined the entire thing in my head and talked to some friends about it and I I've gotten some really good feedback and I I would probably make that. That's I hope that somebody sends you back to talk about $3 million. Yeah. Warner Brothers message me can we send chocolate? No I need money. I need money. I'm not an idiot. Sorry you guys are amazing. No you guys are awesome. Please. I'm kind of in a head space lately of just being like I just wanted to because I do this and this is like my the podcast is kind of like my job. Yeah. I mean it's like I love doing it. I get to chitchat with buddies. We get to laugh. We get to hang out in a colon chance and like it's it's a really nice gig. Uh then I'm like okay so then when I'm making movies and stuff I just really want to make like cool weird artsy shit. Yes. Yeah. That's kind of where I'm at with it where I'm like I actually don't have any desire to be in like I don't want if if I'm making it I'll go and be in like I'll be like a number seven like funny side character in one of in a in a big huge studio movie. For sure. I would go and do something silly and something like that but for my projects I'm like I used to think I would write like big studio comedies for myself to start. Yeah. Actually I kind of think at least for the next couple of years if not maybe forever. I want to make like sub five. Yes. Yeah. Uh like indie stuff. Freaky stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Like fun. Something has like we need art. We need art. You know we need an indie film revival. Oh my god. Yeah. We need that that we there used to be like Sundance and like all the festivals used to like there used to be this awesome type of indie movie that came out all the time that we like rarely see anymore. Like what that I'm like missing. Yeah. Like even something like um you think about like a little miss Sunshine. Oh my god. We're it's like yeah. We're it's like where are those kind of movies really anymore. Let us make them well we should make them we're not scared to we should we're not scared to I'm not scared a lot of people are saying I'm looking down the barrel we're not scared to make indie movies me and Maggie. Yeah. We're not scared to work crazy days for a weird amounts of money. We're in amounts of money. We need a chef on site because we don't want to be even the fried stuff. We need a chef on site because if we don't have one we will forget about the concept of vegetables. I will be eating Taco Bell in a way that is not right. I wish you could I wish I could make everyone listening to this understand the like the kind of self satisfaction I feel when I order a side of fruit. Oh my god. Like at breakfast this morning he was like he was like do you want like do you want like garlicky fried home fries. Yeah. Do you want a side of fruit and I was like that's easy. I'll have the side of fruit. Yeah. You know and I felt so like yeah. You know crazy. He wrote that on. He said good for him. He was like he starts cheering up. He's like awesome man. Yeah. He chefs are gonna love that. Hey good shit dude. Yes. He like kind of gives me a little nookie. Yes. He's like I'm really proud of you. Yes. Yes. I oh my god. Why did he just give me the finger? I'm gonna have a crazy if he did. Chances really antagonistic with the guests. If I I love my dad it was like so he's just like beyond like can't even like put a little butter in something. Really? He's so he's like today he's not easy making chickpea orzo stew and I had to go okay yeah. Yeah. Sounds cool for you and mom. Yeah. I'll be picking up KFC on my wall. If I walked into my house with KFC I think my dad would call the cops. I'm serious. Really? Yeah I don't know he's like he's health guy. We never like we got local fast food but we never got like chain fast food growing up. Yeah. And then when I was like on my own I was like you're like I need to see what this is all about. When I discover Taco Bell I said my life is over. You know I don't have the thing with Taco Bell though a lot of people have. I know. Taco Bell feels like people have a real affinity. Yeah. They're like locked in on it. I just got it. I just got into it sometimes. Are you pissed at me for it's locking in on Taco Bell? No no. Oh I just wish I felt you know what Taco Bell is for me. Yeah. Like when you're like talking with a group of friends like two in the morning after a night out and where like what should we order? Yeah. For me I'm always like McDonald's is more the vibe. Okay okay. But everyone always feels like it's what Taco Bell. And I will say Taco Bell is the best for just like throwing 75 things in the car and then spreading it on a table with like ten of your friends and being like kind of it doesn't matter who got what just grab something. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like we just get like 20 soft shell tacos if you get here. Come on guys. You know? That's the round. Kind of that. Yeah that's true. I've been very specific order those. I was about to say what you do order. I get the grilled cheese burrito with chicken the side of avocado ranch. Oh other avocado ranch is good. Oh my god. Yeah. When they forget it I'm spiraling. You can't believe the way I've reacted. When I when I do order McDonald's yeah if it's you know it's like later I need like a really quick meal and they forget my hot mustard. Oh I could put my head through a window. I'm like how I literally out loud in my apartment alone have said to myself like how hard is it? How hard is it? Look at the sauce. Put the sauce in the back. Yes. Yeah I get I'm like god damn I get so in my- You don't think I don't want sauce? What am I dripping in his dry? I mean dry for the stress like a fucking like a hamster. Yeah like a hamster. Ew. I get real. I get angry. Yeah I get really pissed. That's so not right. No yeah I I'm trying to eat less of it though of course. That's food. Yeah because on the road it's so you know what like late night like if I have like two less wine and then I'm like a little taco bell but then it's like and then I'm going to sleep a heartburn to hell. What acid reflux up like now? What do you have like four in the morning? Oh my god am I gonna- It's not worth it anymore. Yeah I'm gonna die. Yeah. Not for me. Yeah I stop eating I pretty much don't eat fast food on the road anymore for the food. Yeah. Sometimes obviously good for him. Good for him. But the reason is because I started to like part of my travel packing was started to be bringing thumbs. Oh I know. Yeah. Hey probably a different solution to this. Yes. Then like half a thing to travel with Tom. I heard. Was like stop having ifsy Nashville hot nuggets at 11 p.m. Yes. Maggie Winters what's so true to you? Oh my god. Well I was gonna say I were early we kind of already said it was me so what's so true to me is leave me alone. Like it unless it's with kindness but like if you just leave me alone with the other stuff. Yeah. Leave us all like just leave everyone alone. So can you give me an instance recently of when you haven't been left alone as someone should have left your own? And not on the internet but I'm talking like in real life. In real life? Well I think the 80s G girl was kind of like leave me alone. Leave me alone. Okay. It's like anything. You don't need to diagnose me. No or like I had an Uber driver who is like you he was just I don't know really you have to be taking ashwaganda. I was like hello. He's like he's gonna be right at down for you. I was like no I know the word ashwaganda like you don't need he's you have to be taking it. Leave me alone. I don't have to be taking anything drive me to my place. Leave me alone with Maggie Winters. Leave me alone with Maggie Winters. Leave me alone. That would be my negative podcast after dark. Leave me alone. Is that great ashwaganda and then you like wrote down some other thing. I said I don't need this. Yeah. But of course no I didn't say that I was going thank you. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Please write it down. Yeah. The cart. Thread away. Yeah. If you like look back at his marriage. He was like oh god she needs ashwaganda. What does it do ashwaganda? And he told me every single thing I I locked it all out. I don't even know what it does. Health and happiness. Yeah. It is an I'm stressed maybe. It's commonly promoted for stress and anxiety reduction. Leave me alone. Chance. I'm kind of like maybe I need to take ashwaganda. Fuck. Honak's in it. I'm like no we've Maggie alone. But maybe hit me. I might need to hear the pitch as it turns out. Like my mom is like constantly like she whenever someone else gets a brand deal. So it comes to the room. She's like Connor just did a Heinz commercial. What do you want? Did you even call Heinz and ask if they wanted you? No. Yeah. She used to tell me. I'm like you should email Stephen Colbert. Did you? Oh, what's his email? Stephen at Stephen Cole Bayard.net. Oh my God. Crazy thing. I can't remember if this has come up on the podcast before or not, but one crazy thing is like famous people's emails are what you think they are. Reast, it's literally a real dot witherspoon at Yahoo dot com. Like they literally are like famous people's emails. I'm gonna season this. Almost every time I see a famous person's email, like really? It's crazy. What do you mean do you change your email if you go like reach a point of fame? I, yeah, I've definitely noticed. I've noticed that there's a certain level of famous where first of all, they're not even on the threads. When you get to a certain level of famous, it's like, you're never emailing with them directly. Yeah. And then when a very famous person has emailed me with me directly, then their email becomes like, it's like, it's like whistle jump. Yeah. It's like, it's like, it's like not even a name. It's nothing you could think of. Do you think Taylor Swift, like, texts? For sure. Yeah. I just think about that. I'm like, you know, people are like, like, I would be, like, do she have the time? I don't save anyone's. I had a famous person recently, give me their phone number. And they, when they texted me, they were like, they're like, what's your phone number? I'm gonna text you. And they gave them my phone number. And they texted me like, a version of their name. I don't want to put this person on blast, so I'm not gonna say, but they texted me a version of their name that was like, only we would know that it was them. I guess someone else had seen it on accident. And in that moment, I was like, oh, no, I have every famous person's number saved in my phone as like, first and last name. Yes. So I'm like, that would be really bad. Remember when I, when you, I remember when you first, like, were fame, fame and fortune, I was like, can you put me in a group text with me, you, Phoebe Bridgers in Paulipel? And you were like, yeah, that would be awesome to do. Did I do it? No. But you were like, what'd that be funny? I'm so sorry. No, I mean, obviously if you did that, they would be like, what's wrong with you? And it was like the idea of being in a, like, you added me to a group text with these people. Hey guys, you're seeing what's up? Also, the idea of the four of us, the idea of the three of us or the four of us talking about sort of anything is so funny. Yeah, that'd be fun. That is really fun. I should do that today. Yeah, I would just put that just any famous person. Yeah, after that, Phoebe and Paula, if you're watching, let me know if it's okay that I put you in a group text with Maggie. They watch. They're watching this episode. They don't know. No. What if they were both listening to this right now and they were like, oh, my God. They call me. Start the group text. Start the group text. I would cry. I would cry, Joey. You know who will be listening to this episode? Who? Waxahatchee. Oh, I'm sad. Oh, my God. She looks like God. She'll text me like two hours after an episode has come out and been like loving this one. Wait, that's so sweet. She's up on it, dude. That's amazing. She's been on a new record. What is it called? The project is called Snowcaps. Okay. It's her and her sister, Allison, who the idea of her and Allison in America. Yes. At the At Kevin's, was it the baby's show that we went to? Yeah, I was shaking. I was like, yeah, Katie and Allison and Jake or MJ Linderman and Brad Cook both played on it. Oh, I can't wait to listen. It's really good. Yeah. Snowcaps. Sound now. Go check out Snowcaps right away. And then my podcast after. And then so it's in order. Watch and listen to this whole thing. Yeah. Subscribe to my substack. Check out the bonus content with Maggie on substack. And then you can go listen to the full snowcaps album. And then if you have time, you can listen to Maggie's podcast. Thank you so much, which I haven't gotten to be on yet. But when I do, it'll be really good. It'll be good. Yeah. Yeah, we're going to do like a kind of an after dark one with you. We're going to do a leave me alone. It's going to be it's going to be a leave me alone with Kale Haring and Maggie Winters podcast. Yeah, I can't wait for that. You know that I have a segment for you. Of course, the questions, which I did pretty well in the live one. I was on this live. So don't think I don't know. I'm going to read you 15 statements. Yeah. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false. I got to set up for this. And if you get to know more correct Maggie, we are going to give you $50. I don't believe it. Okay. You ready? Time magazine was first published in 1899. True. False, 1923. In the sense of 90 bangles of one to superbowls. False. False. They've won zero. The human heart beats around 100,000 times a day. False? True. The original goose island brewery location was in St. Louis, Missouri. False. False Chicago. The corporate headquarters for Taco Bell was in Irvine, California. True. True. It takes two years for a single pineapple to fully grow. True. Beavers mate for life. False. True. There are five Austin Powers movies. False. False. False three. Spirit Airlines was originally called Charter One Airlines. False? The mascot for Illinois State University is Reggie Redbird. True. True. That's where I went to school. Fathers was an American sitcom starring Beverly DiAngelo. False. False, Faith Ford. Napoleon Bonaparte was actually average height for his time period. True. It's a girl's camp, Burb. True. True. When women while Miranda has six pet birds. False. False. How'd she do? Ten? Wow. And can I just say, pace was incredible. Mm-hmm. A pace queen. Really good. It takes her time a lot. It takes her time in a way that sometimes borders on insanity. Yeah. There's two things on this show that I find funny. Yeah. About our guests. And I love all of our guests equally. There's two things. Taking so much time in the true false doesn't make me mad. Just makes me laugh because we set it up as being quick. And then you, I actually don't know what to do at this point about, I don't know if we'll ever figure out how to fix this one. People refuse to plan a so true. Oh. I would say 95% of guests who come on this show just simply, we ask only one thing of our guests and it's that they lightly think of a so true for them, refuse. So when it comes to it, they're just like, I don't know. I can't do any number of times we've come to it and had to cut for five minutes. Take a bathroom break, let them think on it. And then the audience ever sees this, come back and then go, so what was your so true? And then the big name come up with is like, um, curtains should be brighter. You know, it's like they've just like looked around the room and it's like, okay. Oh my god. Crazy. Yeah, that's nuts. Who cares? But it really does make me laugh because I'm like, we are, it is the only thing we ask for. It's the name of the podcast. It's the name of the whole podcast. No. We had some more segment ideas when we started this podcast. I mean, we still do voicemail sometimes. It's harder when we're traveling like this. Yeah. I'm trying to think of other, um, at one point, I think we were going to like one of the failed segments for the show was that we were going to, we were going to read guests, like headlines and like, uh, show picture, like show like pictures with headlines and be like, do you think this is a real headline or a fake headline? Oh, that's fun. Like we're going to bring like the news and do it. That's worth though for chances. It's worth while chance is addicted to not working. So we can't do involved things like this. Oh, brother. Oh, brother. You were so hard. But no, we didn't end up doing that one. I mean, yeah, sometimes it works. Sometimes they don't. I'm like, I'm thinking I'm going to add and remove segments. I might totally, I really view the, the show as like a living organism that I'm like engineers. It might work totally different. Who knows? It's art people. Podcasting is art. Oh my God. Write that down. I'll take March. So true. March. Podcasting is art. Write it down. Somebody write it down. So true. Wow. Podcasting is art. So true. So true. So true. Wow. Podcasting is art. So true. Logo underneath it. Oh my God. Send me ones. Write that down. Send me one. I did the other day. Get really addicted to the idea of doing a so true museum exhibit at some point. Oh my God. I'm not talking like, oh, the chair that we filmed the show in. I'm talking like a weird, like nothing to do with the show. Like so I went to the Yoko Oh, no exhibit at the contemporary. Oh, how is that? It's fine. It's the contemporary did a great job on it. I'm like here, there on Yoko. But some of the stuff was really cool. And one of the things she did was that she, and like maybe the 70s, she did like a big building of like, oh, I'm going to have a solo show at this museum. And then there wasn't one. And so then the show itself was actually interviewing people who showed up to see it and found out that it's a show. So the show was the interviews. Okay. She's tricky and people are like, yeah, there's no fucking show. So we're pissed. And they're like, they're like, but doesn't that seem interesting? And they're like, no. No. I mean, the interviews were. There's trains here. Fabulous. Oh my God. You should do it. It's like so true exhibit. And then people walk in and it's like the Joe Rogan experience. Whoa. And it's Joe sitting in a cage. It's the real Joe. Like you. He's sitting in the U box. Yes. And there was like what? And they get to tap on the glass. Yeah. But he's like, waits in water and stuff in there. He's happy. He's got a cold plunge. He's happy. Maggie, it was such a delight to have you. Thank you. This is a dream in Chicago too. Where we met? Where we met. Oh, no, that's not sure we met in Missouri for the first time. Oh, I guess we did. I forgot about that. And then we became friends in Chicago. We're Caleb used to G chat me. Do you like girls yet? And I didn't know. We would use all of our friends had office jobs at that time. And so Google chat was how we all talked to each other at our respective office jobs. And I had so many different Google chat friendships. But yours in mind was definitely just me checking in on gay. I would just in the middle of work to be like, what's up with you and girls yet? And you'd be like, I'm not gay at all. And I'd be like, we'll see. Sorry, you took a pen, I'm going to figure it out. I've dragged a lot. And still, I'm going to want a day being. So I don't know what's going on. Yeah. And I'm dragged a lot of my girls into lesbian. I haven't yet converted a gay person to straight. And someday I'd like to try just to see. Yeah. But do you want to work on you? On me? Yeah. The thing the way I know I'm not straight is that my life would be so immeasurably easier. Yes. Like every woman I meet, I have a deep soul of connection with. And most men I meet, if I could get away with it, I would kill on this spot. Remember when my friend Tucker, we first started hanging out and my friend Tucker told our friend, Yasi, he was like, I think Maggie doesn't know that that guy's gay. Like she thought I'd question you and didn't know that you were gay. She keeps bringing him around like something. Yeah, literally. That was literally easy. That is so funny. Shout out. I love you so much. Thanks for being here. Please tell people where they can find you. At Sagi Splinters, unfortunately, Sagi with an IE. Literally Life Chain Jane, the podcast, everywhere you can find podcasts, YouTube, of course. And you can find me in Chicago hanging around. Hang around. Yeah. Love you, dude. Bye. That was a Hategum podcast.