Minnesota Witness Saw a Shape-Shifting Bigfoot by Lake Virginia

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So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society, welcome back to the show. We've got the privilege of talking to Patrick today. Patrick is a individual I got connected to about some interesting things that he has experienced out there in the state of Minnesota. So welcome to the show, Patrick. How are you doing today, sir? I'm doing really well. Thanks for having me. absolutely before we get going is there any information that the listeners would want to know for context about yourself before we we dig into what you've experienced over the years yeah sure um jeremiah i uh grew up in what at that time was a very rural area And railroad tracks ran through the back side of our house, and our house would shake. We were that close. And I have a long history. My father was Irish, and his family tree goes back pre-10th century in Ireland. And my mother was Welsh, and she was a very warm lady. And early on as a child, I realized that I would see things like people, shadow people, ghosts type things in my house. And I went to my mom about it. and she said, well, it's okay. You have the gift. I had it. I have it, she said. My mother had it, and there's nothing to be afraid of, and this type of thing. And I was probably about seven years old, And she's talking to me about seeing an old lady in her house growing up. And it was an unusual conversation, nevertheless, for a child. Usually, you know, you're not going to tell your kids, you know, this kind of thing. But it was just accepted. And I didn't worry about it anymore. But I always felt like I had kind of a different sense about situations and places. And we had a lot of tramps that would come off the train and come to the house and ask for food. We had a camp backed by a creek that fed into Lake Virginia, which fed into Minnetonka. And so it was a different growing up. And so at any rate, this was surrounded by mostly woods and lowland and lake. And as a boy, I would usually walk the railroad tracks to my friend's house or to where I spent a lot of time. There was a lot of violence in my house, and I tended to spend a lot of time, Jeremiah, in the woods and just off and out of the house when this was going on. My dad was a big drinker at that time. And so kind of my place to go was the woods. and I learned to listen to the woods and I learned to just go out as deep and as far away as I could following the tracks and going into these woods around these lakes, Virginia in particular. And I got to know the woods really well And I always had this sensory kind of, you know, thing that I would pick up. And there were times that, you know, I always had felt like, well, let's just say I got very good in the woods. I could track. I could move quietly. I could lay down on the floor of the woods and just look up through the canopy and take a nap, you know. And, but I noticed that I at times felt like I was being watched. And sometimes I felt like it was one. Sometimes I felt like I was being watched from different angles, different areas, locations from me. and being a kid who, you know, who had kind of this sensory gift, I wasn't afraid. There were times I wasn't, I'll get into that, but there were times that I would know that I was being watched and um and i would say why are you watching me and i wouldn't get any response and sometimes um i would hear all the nature go quiet all the birds everything would stop and being kind of attuned to being in the woods i i would know then that they were there or he was there. But I, you know, again, I'd say, why are you watching me? Or I sometimes I'd say, I know you're here. And this went on for quite a while growing up as a kid. And so one day I had brought my fishing pole, my tackle box and some worms with me. And there was a little inlet on this lake. and I could catch some crappies or whatever. And I'm fishing. And I was probably, I don't know, eight or nine. And I heard, or I just felt and heard the woods go silent around me. Okay. And so I slowly turned around. and I see a face, half of the face, and a forearm, and a hand above slide around the tree as well. So I saw basically the outside of the forearm, the top of the hand, and an eye, half the nose, the cheek, half the mouth. and it's the first time I ever saw him, you know, ever saw what this was. And I remember standing there. At first I was like, did I just see that? You know? And I'm watching and I'm watching because it slid back behind the tree. and I'm just watching and maybe a minute goes by and I said, I see you. You know, I know you're there. And the face, Jeremiah, was really different. I mean, it was like almost looked elongated to me and a larger than normal eye. And so it didn't look like a person at all. I mean, maybe in the structure, but that's it. But everything was elongated and a large eye. And so anyways, I'm standing there and, you know, So I was a little bit afraid, but I was used to that, used to dealing with that. And I knew how to kind of keep control of my situation and things around me. But so I said, I know you're there. And like I said, I saw you. and out again comes the whole face around the side of the tree and the forearm with the hand raised above it on the side of the tree. And this is the strange part. There was a pretty almost human-looking person I mean, everything had kind of like come into, how would you say it? Like, you know, it was like the first time I saw it, it was like morphing, if that makes sense to you. And then the second time it looked around after I spoke to it, it was, he was tall. and I know I've heard people describe, you know, just four foot wide in the shoulders and this and really built up, but this wasn't this. It was, I mean, he had long, wavy black hair. There was no hair on his face, though. But his skin was, I would describe, like a chalky gray face. And the top of the hand had black hair, but it was only like maybe an inch and a half, two inches long. And the forearm had the same hair on it. And about the same length, but it was black. And I'm looking at it, and it's looking right at me, and I was probably maybe 15 yards away, you know? And I'm looking at it, and it's just staring at me. And at this point, I watched it go back behind the tree again. And I turned around and picked up my tackle box and my worms. And I thought, I don't know what this is, but I knew it wasn't like us. Okay. Even though it had kind of changed and looked, it almost looked, um, almost, almost like native almost, but, uh, except for the color of his face. And so I picked this up and I'm still like, I want to see all of him. I want to see what this is. So I start flanking to the left and gradually putting distance between me and the tree as I flank. and also by flanking left, I would be able to go out of how I came into this inlet. And there was nothing there. It was gone. There was nothing behind the tree. And I thought, it's time to go. And I walked out of there and honestly, I looked over my shoulder. I don't know how many times. But I guess a question for you, Jeremiah, is has anybody ever described to you like almost this face morphing into what I described to you? So I'm thinking right now, morphing, morphing. I just had an interview where they saw it looked blurry as it went across the road. And then one of the Ohio sightings, it looked blurry. But I don't think I've ever gotten a morphing one, which is really interesting to hear. Yeah, it's like it was just kind of forming into what I saw the second time, which was more human, but not, if that makes sense. But so at any rate, you know, I headed home and I was like, so that's what's watching me or they are watching me when I'm in this area. And a little bit of history on this particular area. This was a winter hunting ground for the Lakota and going way, way back. And it's well documented. And it sort of looked like a tall, slim First Nations. But at any rate, I mean, over time, I would hear, especially in the evenings, and I lived about a quarter mile from this location. And I would hear, I know people describe howls, but these weren't howls. This was like loud screams that would last way longer than anybody, any human could sustain. I mean, they were long and it would be screams and not, you know, I wouldn't describe it as a howl. They would be screams and it would go, the one scream would last and run out and then it would start again and the scream would go on and on just without a breath, just a long extended screams. And I kind of figured that it was probably them or this one, I don't know, but this was not the kind of scream a human could make. and it wasn't, you know, any whooping. I never heard whoops, just screams. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping. Sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at shopify.nl. That's shopify.nl. It's time to see what you can accomplish with Shopify by your side. And it was I don know I can explain it any better than that Jeremiah It was just screams you know loud And like I said, we were pretty rural, rural at that time. And so at any rate, I mean, again, I use these. This is what happened after this encounter where I actually saw it. For years, the railroad tracks were a shortcut to the woods, to where I went fishing, a half mile the other way up the tracks. My best friend lived. And so at night, I'm walking these tracks home. During the day, I'm walking these tracks home. And there were times that, especially at night, Jeremiah, when I would be walking down the tracks to go home, I would get that feeling. that I'm being watched or they're here, you know, and I would just know it. And, you know, it's hard to explain. I don't know if I'm picking up their energy or it's, you know, I've always had this ability to kind of feel danger or no danger. just like a second, I don't know, a sense. It's a sense. My sisters have it too. Well, Patrick, it's interesting because, so what you've told me so far, your journey is kind of, it's almost backwards from what I hear, which is, you know, people have a Bigfoot encounter and then they start experiencing stuff like shadow things at home. But you were experiencing that from the very beginning because of maybe your background and your heritage and could be even in your DNA. It sounds like your mother and relatives perhaps were having things happen as well. It's really, really fascinating. But I did have a few observations, maybe a few questions for you from this. So you mentioned this is like the Lake Virginia, Minnesota area, which is, we walked through the map earlier off air and it's kind of like southwest of what current Minneapolis is, right? Correct. It's straight west from Minneapolis. Absolutely. You said it was 15 yards away, and a really good example of that would be about half a basketball court. Does that sound about right? Yeah, maybe slightly less, but yeah, that's right. That's right in there, you know. Gotcha. Gotcha. How tall would you estimate that it was what you saw? Well, I'm a little kid, but I would say it was taller than my dad, and he was 6'2". Okay. You know, so I've thought about this leading up to today, And I would have said six to seven feet as an adult. I would say somewhere in there. How long would you say the entire encounter lasted? Oh, maybe five, six minutes. Oh, wow. And I started moving, before I started flanking and heading away and out, probably, because I just, at first I was just shocked. Like, you know, what is this, you know? And like I said, I wasn't a kid that would, you know, get afraid and run, you know? I was more observer, more of an observer. And so my first instinct wasn't to run. My first instinct was, the first time I saw it was, what in the world is that? And I just stood there and stared and said, I see you. And that's, again, it came around the side of the tree and looked at me. and it did look different. But, yeah. Okay, so it makes, man, this is all really theorizing, but it makes you wonder is when a witness has an experience like this and a lot of the times it seems to like disappear behind a tree, if when they are out of the view of the witness, are they then changing form or morphing into something else? And because you called out to it, then it was like, okay, I got to take another. It had to take another look too. I don't know. That's all very conjecture. But let's see. Now, at any time when you had your sighting, did it have any emotions on its face? No, none. Just stared blankly at me. It didn't smile. It didn't, it just was looking around that tree right by me. We're looking into each other's eyes, you know. There was no, no expression. It was just blank. I guess. Yeah, just. Sure. Yeah, it was different. It was really different. Are there any details about the eyes that stood out from what you saw? They were dark. They were dark. Really dark. Hard to tell. I'd say brown, but they were more black than brown. Just dark eyes. Dark, dark eyes. Okay. And would you say they were similar to human eyes, or were they different in any way? Well, I mean, they were round. but I mean there were the shape of my eyes or your eyes but they were bigger and just like black dark dark like dark dark brown or black but yeah I didn't see see like brown eyes or blue eyes or green eyes Nothing like that. No. Okay. Yeah. And I ask that just because some people will, some witnesses will say you could see whites around the edges. Some will say it was a whole, you know, the whole thing, the whole eye was the same color. So there is some interesting reports when it comes to eyes. The whole eye was the same color. There was no white. Yeah. Um, so yours, so it's interesting because you saw it look one way and then it came back from behind the tree and it, it looked different. Were there any big differences between like when it was, uh, one way and then it looked back at you and it was, uh, looking different. Were there any big differences you noticed between the two forms? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. The first time it was like the face was like long and almost like stretched long. And the second time it looked and it didn't look human. And the second time it looked not almost, but kind of human. oh except for the eyes the hair there was no like i said there was no hair on its face but the black hair hung at least past the left shoulder and it had it was wavy and uh And, but yeah, it was just really, really looked more like us than the first look, if that makes sense. When I first saw it, and then the second time, it was what, it was like done coming together. I don't know. It sounds crazy. But it's what I saw. it doesn't it doesn't at all really it's i think it's another way to look at it uh because so for from what i'm getting it sounds like the first form let's say if you saw both forms walking down the street the second form you wouldn't really be noticing as much because maybe it would be fitting in more as a human as opposed to the first form which was totally different than a human look is that right absolutely absolutely yeah and it was such a striking difference the second time it looked at me that it was like what the heck you know i mean i was like kind of the first time i saw it it was like what is this you know and the second time i saw it it looked more human you know okay there was no mistaking the first look it was not didn't you would not say it looked kind of human you wouldn't have could you tell anything about the muscular structure of it at all no it i didn't get to see the chest um or the legs or the waist i just saw part of the shoulder the forearm, the hand, and the second time, the whole face with hair, you know, with long black hair. Okay. Yeah, that's all I saw. I never really saw. The second time I encountered one of these, I did see more, and I'll go into that with you. But on this very first time in my life, that was all I saw. And it appeared to be slim. Like a slim face, a slim forearm. I mean, it wasn't like, you know, a bodybuilder. You know, I would have noticed that, you know. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'd say probably about one more question for you about this one. So how were you aware that it was a Lakota winter hunting ground? It's documented all around Lake Minnetonka area, and it's in journals and books. okay so you figured that out then later on as an adult or were you aware of that as at the time as a younger as a teenager i looked into this area and that's what i found okay got it um oh actually uh one more so usually when someone has an experience like this it will set their life on one of two paths, which is either they will get really freaked out and not want anything to do with this, or they will really start trying to figure out what they experienced. Did you go down any of those two paths or was it something completely different? Well, let me tell you, after this encounter, okay, and I had mentioned to you, the railroad tracks were like a road for me, okay? There were times at night when I knew they were there, or he was there, or one of them was there. I just knew it. I felt it like I felt it that day. everything at night would go quiet. Now here's what started happening to me and has happened to me all my life is I would, you know, listen, I would walk down the tracks at night and I would know they were there and I wasn't afraid, okay? But then there were times when I would get, my senses would go, you know, there's something here. I'm being watched. And it would be real negative, Jeremiah, a real negative, negative feeling. and this and when this would Patrick, are you there? Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me? Yeah, we just cut out for a second when you started to say the word. I think you were saying negative. Yeah. Oh, okay. Interesting. Do you mind so I think you were saying there are some nights he would be very aware of maybe something negative. Yes. like a real bad, a real bad feeling. And here's the crazy part. In my head would be, it would shout, run. And I would run. Now, you may think, and I've thought about this, Was this just a kid being scared? Or is this, where is this voice coming from? I'd never had this before. And to give you an example, I was, during the daytime one time, I was laying up in the sand over a culvert on the tracks, and I was just kind of with my eyes closed, And all of a sudden, again, it's run like that. And I popped up. I sat up, and I looked to my right, and there's a tramp running down the tracks with a look on his face like, Jeremiah, this wasn't going to be a good encounter with this guy. and I flew out of there, down past the culvert, through the barbed wire fence, up into my backyard. And this didn't start until I saw this thing. And when I'd have a vibe walking at night that they're here or I'm being watched kind of thing, and it was not threatening at all, and nothing would be said to me, okay? Like we're here or anything like that. But when it would be a situation like a real bad, like this isn't good, I feel it. Or that guy running down towards me who I never heard. I never heard him running at me. I never saw him until I heard run. 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It would be this voice. but never when I was like, okay, I'm being watched, they're here, and nothing bad's going to happen. But there were times when I would get that voice very strongly when I'm feeling like something's watching me, and this isn't a good one. This isn't a good feeling. You know what I mean? Absolutely. I mean, and would you describe that as, some people describe it as a thought they're having that doesn't fit with a normal thought they would have, or sometimes they're actually hearing what is a different voice than their own in their mind? It's not my voice. It's a different voice in my mind. you know it's like i'm a kid and this is an adult voice going run you know just this is not you know my voice and uh at all you know and uh but that has stuck with me for the rest of my life now this is kind of interesting you know i i had mentioned to you about my son and myself. And I left an appointment and it was a medical appointment. And I just felt like I needed to go back to this place. I don't know why. And it's changed. It's a lot of luxury homes, but some of this area is still there. And this is really strange. So I go out there, and I turn my car off, and I step out, and I'm looking where that first encounter of whatever I saw, and I'm looking at that area. And in my head, and I'll swear on this, the voice said, you've come back. I'm not kidding. And I said, in my head, I answered and said, you know, yeah, I'm sick. And I don't know if I'll be able to come back again. and it didn't respond. I didn't hear anything to that. And I said, I didn't know if I'll be coming back. And I told them about my son and there was no response. And I stood there for a while and just a lot of memories flooding back. And I got in my car and I left. And as it turned out, I mean, you know, at any rate, but yeah, I was absolutely stunned to hear that you've come back. Terry, there's a few things I want to address. first is and you probably heard me theorize about this on the show a bit just because I noticed patterns after talking to so many people and this is a really good example I think that when humans get in contact or close proximity with Sasquatch or certain areas they have things that they either remember how to do or they're unlocked and you hearing the voices in your head like that is a perfect example of that. Also, we had talked about your son off air a bit. And I know it is, is it possible to mention how, what happened to your son? And I'm not saying like in specific, but I think it does play into another Bigfoot-related thing as well. I just don't know if you're comfortable with that, and we can cut this whole part out as well too. Why don't I just let you know if I don't want to answer, but I'm very interested in your thoughts. Yeah, so what we had talked about before is that your son had passed away, correct? Correct. Okay. So I think that is, which is, as we were talking about before, it's a terrible situation. And, you know, I'm sorry that you lost your son. No one should ever go through that. Um, but the connection that I see is that you have so many people that have experienced traumatic experiences. And I think that is a good example of one. And then they have, they feel drawn to a certain area and then they have some sort of connection again, whether it's visual or, or, you know, you heard, you heard the voice again, you have that, that connection. So I just thought that was a really interesting thing that I noticed that I wanted to make sure that was pointed out. So it sounds like things then continued to happen related to this. Patrick, is that right? Yes. Yes. Besides that voice when there was danger, I mean, you know, it's kind of odd. But I just, I did not feel like, in the situations where I felt like I was being watched and I would say something out loud, I didn't feel fear. I wasn't afraid. I just was like, would acknowledge it out loud. I never, I never, I mean, other than having times where I felt just this dread and something would tell me to get out of there, run, you know, it was, I guess I was just more curious. And I always thought that some of them you don't have to be afraid of, maybe. And there are some, I think, bad ones. I really got that feeling. I got that impression. and I never had any, you know, branches, rocks, anything crazy, you know, going on like that. Just a feeling of dread that this is not good. I'm being watched and this isn't good, you know. Does that make sense? oh yeah it absolutely does yeah yeah and it's like if i felt if i felt and i'll give you an example of this when we go further here but if i felt like i felt a lot of times in that area where i know you're watching me why are you watching me when i would say it out loud I didn't feel like I was in trouble or this could get bad or I just felt like, I just felt like that it's okay. You know, I know you're here and I'm not bothering you. And this is, you know, my place to come for peace. And, yeah, yeah. So, but there were times where I felt like something, and I think, Jeremiah, that it was one of them. I think there may be more, you know, but definitely for sure. one of them was warning me that this is not one of those, you know, people or things that are just observing or they're curious. That's always the impression I got most of the time. It was just like a curiosity and like I was being observed, you know. But nothing, you know, nothing crazy or violent going on. just, they're watching me. They're curious. Maybe they're watching me fish. I don't know, you know, but, uh, but I do think that I've gotten that feeling that there are maybe some of these that aren't like that, you know, and, uh, I don't know, you know, I mentioned to you that I live fairly close to the Rice Creek Chain of Lakes. And I fish a lot there. I hike a lot there. I take trails. And I particularly, I heard someone call or talk to you about Rondo. and I know that area very well and still to this day go there. And this is the part, I guess, that... So I'm walking along a trail, right? And I get the feeling, and I get this feeling like there's something watching, and I continue to walk Jeremiah and I hear like a loud kind of like limb, like not broken off a tree, but maybe limbs on the ground being stepped on and cracking. Okay. And I stop and I'm feeling what I felt over the years. And it's like, okay. And at this time, I'd never heard of anybody else seeing or having any experiences there with these things. And I think, okay, what is this? And it stops. There's no sound, Jeremiah. So I start to walk again. And then I, to my right flanking me, is footsteps, loud, heavy footsteps, not loud, but heavy. And the brush is fairly high, but there's openings through the brush, you know, and I can see through little pockets through the brush. all of a sudden, a huge leg and a huge thigh. And it's a real shaggy, blonde-colored hair. But it's matted. It's really matted. It almost looks chunky, the fur is so, or the hair is so matted. and I can see from about the hip bone down to just above the ankle. And it's flanking me on my right and it stops when I stop. And I'm stopping when I can see through the brush, airy open spots where I can see the hip, the leg, the thigh, the knee, whatever, the shin just above the ankle. And it was one of them. But this was one of these big, big guys. You know, I mean, the thigh was huge. The hair was long, not like what I encountered years ago. But I didn't feel any fear. I just, I was okay with it. and I would walk and it would walk and I'd stop and I'd look and it would stop and I'd start walking and it would start walking. I never saw the chest or I never saw above its waist. But this went on for a few minutes and I didn't get any voice in my head saying, this is not a good situation, run, whatever. But it was just, I was okay with it, right? And so then I stopped walking and it started, it just continued to walk. And I could see a little bit above the hip, as it was making its way probably 20 feet off that trail in the brush, but I could see a little bit more over the back of it and its leg and maybe just slightly above the hip, and it walked straight on to Lake Rondo. And I stood there and I went, okay, you know, But I will say this, I did not feel any bad, you know, I didn't feel anything bad coming from it. It was like, I'm here, I'm letting you see me. I mean no harm. I meant no harm. And I'm just doing my thing and I'm walking off into the brush in the woods. and so I know they're there. But physically, this was not at all like what I, this slim kind of, the first time I saw something like this. 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I really don't. but it just seemed odd that there's that connection that I had in this area, you know, I don't know, but I just. Yeah, that is, that is a really wild connection, but also another interesting thing you said is you mentioned the color blonde, which I mean it's been a while since I did talk to the individual I believe his name was Jeremy about the Rice Creek area I want to say this back in episode 658 but Jeremy did call out a childhood sighting he had of a blonde Bigfoot in the area and I know that there's a BFRO report from an area just north of the Twin Cities where they saw what they were, a few girls saw what they were saying was a blonde gorilla just north of the Twin Cities. There's definitely a pattern there. What year about was it that you had this encounter? Probably around 2015, I would say. It would be pretty accurate. 2015. Okay. I have I've visited the Rice Creek area myself I wanted to check it out we were going through the area it is very interesting because there's a lot of houses up there but then you get to this area where there are all these lakes and all of this there's a lot of nature up there there's a lot of places for things to hide I know even Doug Hichek I talked to him in that same episode I believe about a sighting he'd had up there as well I think one of his employees had sightings up there too but I mean I think people hear Minneapolis and they might be like well I don't know but then And guys, if you really look into it, there are a lot of nature areas around Minneapolis. And I'm really not surprised that people continually have these sightings of a blonde-colored Bigfoot. I believe there's a family in there. And I just think, just like I felt when I was a kid growing up, I felt that it was like a group of a family or, um, yeah, I, I didn't feel like it was, uh, a one solo, uh, by itself out there. I always felt that there was a group, uh, like a family type group, you know? and i felt that way in rice creek too and i've spent a lot of time in rice creek over the years excuse me but um yeah but i didn't get that i you know the whole time i i was not afraid i didn't feel any bad anything bad about it i just felt like it was showing itself to me letting me know it was there. I really do. And I don't know how to explain it other than I felt like it was showing itself to me. You know, this one was in Rice Creek. and I mean I'd like to think that they get the vibe from me that I'm not you know looking to hurt them or I'm just you know I'm just coexisting you know and I don't mean anybody and them any harm, you know? And I think they pick up on that. I do. Oh, I agree 100%. I think the intention that you have when you go out, and that can go from anyone, like you have some people that have, you know, like they're almost hunting them in a way. You have some people where they just want to connect and in a positive way. And I think that that really is important. And I think if people focused on that a lot more, that they would be surprised. And I don't claim to have some mental connection with them or anything like that. I can only tell my truth and my experience. But I do believe there are ones that we don't want to be around. I really believe that. I do believe that. I think you're on the right track there. there's definitely, I mean, because you hear them, right? Like you listen to different shows and, you know, I talk to people and it's like there's sometimes out there where, you know, as Tom Seawood says, there could be a rogue and you need to be aware of, you know, how to be safe in situations. Right. I absolutely agree with that. And I think that's, I think the ones that are not like those types are the ones that were telling me, run, get away. You know, I really feel like it was a warning to go, you know. And I don't know. I don't know. But, you know, Jeremiah, I guess I'd like to say just one last thing, and that is what I think they are. okay and and what i think they are is an ancient ancient people and i think that we branched off but i believe they're really old and i believe ancient old and uh You know, I think when you consider, if they're as old as I think they are, the size, the strength, the cunning, the speed, you would have to have all those things to survive. whether it was dire wolves or saber-toothed tigers or if they're as old as I think they are I mean that would be how you would have to be to survive and I just think they're some offshoot of us that is very very old that's what I think any thoughts on that? Hmm. Maybe, maybe even, yeah, it's, it's, it's a really interesting because it's, it almost feels, sometimes I'll think it's like, well, you know, does it go back to prehistoric times? And like even other cryptid reports, if you look at them a certain way, and I'm talking about like there's the white giant sloths of New York or, and sometimes you're like, man, some of these cryptids almost feel like they're similar to the animals that you learn about if you look into prehistoric times. Or is there maybe an area where they're hanging out and they're able to be safe through the years? Or are there portals? I mean, there's so many questions, right? You can go on rabbit trail after rabbit trail. I don't know. It is a really interesting thing to think about. That's what I believe, I guess. And we wouldn't have survived in the form we're in. you know but at any rate I mean you know I just want to say that's my story and that's my truth and I really appreciate you having me on and sharing your platform I've never told this story to anyone other than my wife but that's my truth. And Patrick, it means so much that you're able to come on the show. Why was it important to share it? Well, it has a lot to do with the loss of my son. And I never had a chance to have this conversation with him. and I guess it's just kind of my way of just honoring him. Thank you, Patrick. I think that is a perfect way to honor your son. Thank you so much for hanging out with me today, for sharing what you've experienced over the years. If you do experience anything else in the future, I would love to hear about it. Thank you so much for hanging out today, sir. Have you ever heard all the accounts of Bigfoot activity around Oak Ridge, Oregon, and you think to yourself, man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself? Well, guess what? This year, you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summerfest is coming up July 10th through the 11th, 2026. It's going to be even better than the previous year's reason. Number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild. I'll probably, I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else because let's just say sometimes it's, uh, well, you just gotta be there. We'll leave it at that. More about looking for Bigfoot in the Oak Ridge woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series, Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year, you can not only go to the festival, but you can also sign up for a trek deep in the wild forest outside of Oak Ridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot spots to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign up for this. And yes, this will also be filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once-in-a-lifetime deal. It's just, trust me, it's going to be a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket, head on over to SasquatchSummerFest.com and listeners can use the code BSP, like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two-day pass for the price of a one-day pass. So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so that you guys can can get a little help with the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see you at the booth in Oak Ridge this year. We can talk about your encounter. I was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. 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