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Hello everybody, I'm so excited to welcome you to the inaugural broadcast of my first podcast. It's so exciting and I'm so glad to be here and I believe we're going to have a wonderful time from week to week sharing thoughtful, provocative subjects that are stirring the mind, renewing the spirit and challenging your next chapter as we all walk into new doors and new places. What better way to start off than to start out with the one and only, Ms. Oprah Winfrey. Today we sit down with one of the most influential voices of our time. From her humble beginnings in rural Mississippi to building a global media empire, Oprah Winfrey has lived a life shaped by vision, resilience, and the power of intention. In this conversation we'll talk about the lessons behind her journey, how she learned to take risks to handle success and what she tells the younger Oprah. So snuggle in, this is more than a story about success, it's about faith, courage, and the choices that change every day. Chapter one, building empire. I have been thinking of where to get started. I have so many Oprah Winfrey stories. I can't hardly figure out which one to pick, but I'll start with this one. She was doing her Super Soul Sunday and she had invited me a couple of times to come out there Sundays for me is not a good day to go to California. So I finally decided to get somebody to preach for me that day and I would go out there because I didn't want to keep saying no. And she was shocked when she saw me. She said, I didn't expect you to come. I just invited you. Okay. And she had 300 or so guests out there in an amphitheater, worshipping, teaching, singing, ministering. She left all of them y'all and got on a golf cart and took me all over her property showing me everything from her eucalyptus trees, which she calls the 12 apostles to all of her ground and territory and everything like that left all the 300 people behind. Okay. Most expensive chauffeur I have ever had in my life. That's because I love you. You know, I do. I love you. And I have such regard for what you have been able to accomplish, not just creating for yourself, but planting that good soil into the hearts and spirits of people all over this world, all over this world. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. That's why I said yes. And I said, and then you said, okay, I pay for your gas. And I go, I will pay my own way. Thank you very much. She did. She paid her own way to come here. Pay my own way. Wouldn't even let me pay for the gas. Y'all ought to shout. I mean, church shout. Yeah. Tambourine beating, foot stomp and shout. Thank you. I did. But I would have happily paid it to have an opportunity to talk to you. One of the things that I thought about most of the projects that you have worked on that have become so notable and unprecedented as a woman, as a black woman, not just in America, in the world, there's hardly a place on the globe you can go and use your first name only and everybody know who you are. And it doesn't come from working for somebody. Most of the things that you have done, you have created from the ground up. Magazines, movies, talk shows, everything you can think of, Oprah's favorite things, Oprah's hair products, Oprah's this, Oprah's that, all done from the ground up. And I think that's why I'm so excited to have you here. Because no matter where these entrepreneurs are on the spectrum, just getting started or halfway there, mid-level company or 100 companies, it doesn't matter whether you're at the very top of the line, she can relate to the journey and becomes proof positive that it's possible to come from making Mississippi mudpads. Yes. Yeah. I know my people from Mississippi on my father's side. So listen, I know about Mississippi, from Mississippi mudpads to Hollywood and beyond. And did your talk show when everybody was doing it in Hollywood, you started it in Chicago, one of the first people. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, one of the reasons why I wanted to be here, first of all, is because the bishop asked me, and I love the bishop in Sarita. Every birthday, I know when their flowers arrive because it arrives with three or four men carrying in whatever it is they've sent. And so I always feel so honored to be blessed on my birthday from you. But one of the reasons I said yes to coming here, and I never, listen, I don't do this. I only do what I want to do. And I am led by the power and principle of intention, which I want to talk to you about tonight. But one of the reasons I really wanted to say yes is because I want everybody who is seeking good soil for yourself to know that my life, although it may look like an anomaly, and that what I've been able to achieve appears to be special. It is special to me, but it has only been possible because I was obedient to the call. And I wanted to say that when I first met Maya Angelou, I had, you know, read the, I know why the Caged Bird Sings was a really seminal book in my life, because I'd never read a story about a young black girl who was raised by her grandmother, who grew up in the church. I know why the Caged Bird Sings opens with what you're looking at me for didn't come to stay, only came to say happy Easter day. Now, the reason I am a broadcaster and have had the career that I've had is because I grew up in the church in Mississippi in my first Easter piece. Remember when they would call pieces? Could you get this little piece of paper from Sunday School? My first Easter piece was Jesus Rose on Easter Day. Hallelu, hallelu, all the angels did proclaim. And I was three and a half years old when I did that speech. Being raised in the church, sitting in the second pew on the left hand side every single Sunday, absorbing what our pastor said when he said, you are God's child, I believed it. I believed it. I believed him. And so I am here because from a very early age, those of you who followed me know the story of my grandmother's on the back porch. You know this, Cheryl, standing on the back porch because I was raised no running water, no electricity. And my grandmother was washing clothes in a big iron pot because she was a domestic worker and would bring the clothes home. And she was hanging the sheets on the line and said, Oprah Gayle, you better watch me because one day you're going to have to do this for yourself. And the spirit inside me said, no grandma, I could feel inside myself at four or five years old at the time, looking through the screen on the back porch that this is not going to be my life. I don't know what it's going to be, but I know this is not going to be my life because the preacher said I was God's child and because I am God's child, all things are possible. And so I will tell you that I have been God led, spirit led from the beginning. And every decision I have ever made that has led to any kind of success whatsoever has come from sitting with the spirit and asking God, what would you have me do first? And every time I've made a mistake and been in the struggle, it's because I was led by my own mind and not God's mind for me. And that's what I want you to know. When I first met Maya Angelou, she said, I saw her backstage at an event and I was by that time a reporter in Baltimore, and I had to convince the station that Maya Angelou was worthy of doing an interview. So I went, she was speaking at Morgan State University, and I went backstage and I said, Miss Angelou, if you'll just give me five minutes, if you just give me five minutes of your time, I promise I won't take up any more time. And she said, all right, sit down. And we did. And at four minutes, 58 seconds, I stopped that interview. And she turned to me and she said, who are you girl? And she then invited me to her home and we became friends and later she, my mentor and mother, figured for me. But soon after we met, she said, I can see that God is going to take you places because you are first and foremost obedient, obedient. And so what often happens is you have an idea of what you want your business to be, what you want your career to be, what you want your life to be, and you don't put God in it. You don't ask Spirit what it is you would have me to do. So my prayer, since I was, for as long as I can remember, is use me, God, and tell me what it is you want me to do because I thought I was going to be an actress. Now, I have acted, but I do not consider myself to be an actress. And when I told my father I was going to be an actress, no daughter minds going to be laying up on somebody's couch is what he said. And so I had to make a decision. I'm going to go to college and I'm going to end up, I thought, teaching, I will teach acting. And when I was in the middle of the college classroom, my sophomore year, I get a call. It is divinely ordered a call from the local television station, call me out of class to say, are you interested in working in television because we've heard you on the radio? Okay. And I'm on the radio because there was a contest from the local TV, local radio stations, and the black station WVOL in Nashville had asked me to be their person for the Miss Fire Prevention Contest. When I was 16 years old in Nashville, there'd never been a black girl in the contest. Nobody expected me to win. I didn't expect to win. When I'm on stage and all the little white girls being asked the questions about what you want to be when you grow up, I thought I was going to be a teacher. So three of them had already said they were going to be a teacher. So I said, I can't say I'm going to be a teacher. Right? So I said, God, give me an answer. God, give me an answer. And spirit opened my mouth and allowed me at 16 years old, had never had this thought in my life before. I said, I want to be a journalist. I had seen Barbara Walters on the Today Show that morning. I want to, so I was just thinking, what can, what can a woman do? What can I want me to do? I thought, I said, I want to be a journalist and I want to use journalism and the telling of stories to help people see themselves and other people's stories and live better lives. I don't know where that answer came from, but God. Chapter two, taking risk. With that kind of answer, and I relate to those epiphany type moments where all of a sudden you know something, you don't know how you know it, but you know it. Yes. Once you know it, a lot of business comes into play. Yes. Contracts, agents, lawyers, shenanigans, crooks. Yes. Yes. All of that comes along with it. Talk to us about how you navigated through those waters from a business perspective that calls you to land where you, you got to, you got a television deal that nobody has ever gotten before or since. It's not going to happen again. It's not going to ever happen again. You ruined it for the rest of the world. Well, it's not going to happen again because the, just because, not because of me, but because of the state of television. But at the time, I had an attorney. It actually happened because of the color purple, because I had wanted to do the color purple more than anything in my life. My bosses at the time had, I only had a two week vacation period. So I agreed to give up my entire vacation for the rest of my contract in order to be able to do the color purple. And because I had done that, my attorney said to me, when it was time to renew the contract, he said, you never want to be in the position when there is something important to you to do where you can't do it. So are you interested in owning yourself? And I said, sign me up for that. And he said, well, if you're going to take ownership of yourself, it means you have to also take the risk that if it doesn't work, then you won't get paid. I said, I believe enough in myself to know that somewhere on the other side, I will get paid. So I will take less now in order to get more later. And here's the deal. I have, I have had the best contract humanly possible in television. I started out with owning 50%. And by the end of the show, I owned 93%. So every year I would increase it. And because of the ownership, I then decide for myself when I take a vacation, nobody ever again was given the authority to tell me when I could or could not work. I set my own schedule. I designed it the way I wanted to design it. Now, here's the thing about the charlatans and making the decision that's going to be right for you. For every single person that I hired in the beginning, when we were just, you know, 20 people, 100 people, 200 people, I would always come into the room and give a gut check. I would sit with them. I would have a conversation when you get to have three and four and 500 employees, that's hard to do. So you have to surround yourself with people who also have not just your, not just the ability to execute, but also have the spiritual grounding, the spiritual education, the spiritual information so that they lead from your point of view. The biggest mistake is that people get people around them and those people are not aligned in spirit with you. And my biggest mistakes have come from when you, because you can't get it right all the time, my biggest mistakes have come from when you see somebody who isn't aligned in spirit, you need to pull it right then. You need to cut it off right then. My big mistake has been looking at it, seeing it for what it is, giving them the benefit of the doubt, hoping things get better, hope you pull yourself together, don't want to fire a brother. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Let me tell you all, this is a funny story. So I was doing the movie Beloved in 1990, it was 1998. And we were in Philadelphia and there was a black man driving, I won't say his name because he was the only black man who was a member of the union. And he had worked for a long time to get to be a member of the union. This one black guy is a member of the teamsters union, hard to get into. And every morning I'd get picked up at 430 and this brother was going to sleep in the car. Okay. And so I said, Jesus help me with this. We're rolling the windows down and we're, I'm singing in the car, trying to get him to sing and every morning he would just fall asleep. So at first I had no security with so I called security to sit with the guy in the front seat to keep the guy awake. I'm kicking the back seat to keep the guy awake. And one day we're on the highway and almost had an accident. And the whole time I'm like, I can't let him go because he's the only brother in the union, only brother in the union. And at the end of that day where we just barely missed getting hit by, you know, a Mack truck, at the end when we got to our destination, I called them into my trailer and I said, helping you is going to kill me. You know, you know, when you, when you, when you talk about what the spirit says in a mixed crowd of diverse people, everybody walks away with a different idea. Tell me if I'm wrong. Every institution has a culture. Yes. That culture emanates from its owner and founder. When you talk about, because, because I'm afraid that people are going to walk out of here and start just hiring believers at random. Yes. And only to find out that that doesn't work either. That doesn't work either. That doesn't work either. Yeah. So I want to go deeper down to understand, are they a good fit for the culture of the organization and that God doesn't raise the organization faster than he raises you and that what you produce ought to look something like you. And there ought to be some similarities in your DNA when you hire them. And if you don't sense that kinship, if you don't sense that kinship, you can put all those scriptures to bed. If you don't sense that skint kinship, you may have somebody who quotes scriptures and still falls asleep and snores and needs sleep at me. Am I right? Absolutely. And so I think that's such a such a valid point. And thank you for the clarification because it doesn't mean that people have to believe like you actually it's better if they don't because you want as many diverse ideas in the room as possible. And you want to be able to listen to every single one, which I still do, listen to everybody, what everybody has to say, and then something inside you connects to what is the right thing to do for you and for your company. But you've heard it all. And I am the kind of leader, not a good manager. I'm not a good manager at all. And I had to learn that the hard way. And so as soon as you know that that's not what you do well, find somebody who can do that. Find somebody who can't do that. I knew that because the first time I had to fire somebody took me two and a half hours and at the end of the conversation, she said, so are you firing me? You know, it's supposed to take eight to 10 minutes. Two and a half hours later, I'm like, well, actually, so now that's not what I do. So finding out what it is you do and also understanding that when you are at the at the lead, when you are the one who is in charge of how everything is going to happen, you only need to do what you do and let all the other people do that. And you're going to hire the people and surround yourself with the people that you don't have to micro manage them. You don't hire them and then tell them what to do. Say it for the people in the back. Say it for the people in the back. Absolutely. Sometimes I think that people's idea of being the boss is coming up with all the ideas. And if you have to come up with all the ideas, you hired the wrong people. You hired the wrong people. You want people who contribute to the growth and the development of your company, your organization, your not for profit, whatever it is. You want somebody who brings in fresh ideas. You may not always do them, but you always want to hear them. And if they are not a birth canal for creative thought and innovation, then then we need to shut down the hospital and start over again. Is that what you're saying? That's exactly what I'm saying. Chapter three, intention. So the Oprah show was number one for 25 years. Nobody did. And I'm telling you, I'm telling you the secret behind it. There actually is a secret. The secret is that around 1989, I'd already been on the air from 86, starting in 86, around 1989, I interviewed Ku Klux Klan and thinking I was showing their vitriol to the world. During a commercial break, I saw them giving each other signals. And I thought inside my spirit, hmm, this isn't good. I think I'm, I think I am showing the world who they are and they are using me. That's what I felt 25 years later, I bought them back as I was ending the show. And they told me that they, that that coming on the Oprah show was the biggest platform they'd ever been on and that they use that tape to recruit other people. So I could feel that happening when I, during the commercial break. So I said to producers after that show, never doing that again. Did another show where the producers were so proud, they got some fool to come on with his mistress and his wife to admit that he was having an affair. And during that show, he said on live television, he tells his wife that his mistress was pregnant. And the audience did exactly what you just did. Everybody was, was embarrassed for her. And I saw her face. And I felt her humiliation. And I said that will never happen to me again. So I'm not doing that anymore. So the producer's like, well, what's she want us to do? So I had read this book called Seed of the Soul by Gary Zuccoff, where he talked about intention, intention being one at one with cause and effect, how you cannot have a cause and effect without having an intention and an intention behind the cause. So I said to the producers from this day forward, once I got understood the principle from this day forward, we are not going to do a show unless my intention is aligned with your intention. So do not bring me an idea unless you are clear about the real intention for doing it. And if I can find a thread of truth in it, I can sit in the chair and be myself. I don't have to believe in everything that you're telling me. But if I can just find one thread of truth, that gives me a reason to sit and be myself. So let's all be intentional about why we are booking anything. And that changed everything. It changed everything. So the very first Emmy I got, I went into the green room before and I said to the woman, tell me why you're here. There's a woman who was there whose daughter had been murdered by her boyfriend. The daughter was 16 years old, pretty blonde girl going to the perfect school, leading what they all thought was the perfect life. But the boyfriend was abusing her and the mother didn't know. So when I went into the green room and I said to the mother, can you tell me why you came? What was your intention? She said, I came because your producers asked me to come. I said, but why did you say yes? And she said, because everybody wants to talk about the murder, nobody wants to talk about my daughter's life. My daughter had a life. She was loved and she had siblings who cared about her. She had family. We loved her and all anybody wants to talk about is the murder and why didn't I see it? I said, well, I want people to see. This is my intention. My intention is for people to see their daughter and your daughter, for people to see their own lives in your daughter's life. So every question that I ask you, I'm not asking it to be a warrior. I'm asking it to actually exploit the life of your daughter so that people can see themselves. And I can make sure that people leave this studio and leave their television sets understanding that your daughter had a life and she was loved. And that was my first Emmy. That was my first Emmy because we were both aligned in intention. And I will tell you whatever project, whatever opportunity comes your way, being clear about what it is you actually really want to achieve. And having everybody else in the room in alignment with that vision and how to execute that vision so that everybody is in synergetic vibration to make it, to bring it into fruition and manifestation. You know, you know, I'm glad you said that so many good things came out of that and how you make decisions and how that process is. I think a lot of businesses fail because we don't know how to make good decisions. Yes. Yes. Yes. And if we don't make good decisions, we can't have good outcomes. And one of the... Because every decision has an outcome. Yes. And so you have to be responsible for the choices that you make. Yes. Period. That's in your life, your personal life especially. So if you were somebody and it ain't working out, you made the choice. Yeah. It's the same. It's the same. It's that. But the thing that has always amazed me about you is not your yeses, it's your noes. Yeah. Yeah. You have the ability to know perfect timing to walk away. And I see very few people because we get in the habit of it and we love it or our ego is attached to it or our identity is attached to it or we think that if I'm not this, who will I be? But you are not afraid to walk away and start over again. And I want to talk about not just the courage to start, but the courage to stop. Thank you for that. Thank you. That's a beautiful question. Discover a spectacular island destination with crystal blue seas, endless sunshine, and the cool Bahamian breeze. 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I've never been asked that question before. I'm getting like you. I could feel it. Just like I was spirit led into that show. That show was God's idea for me because the question to ask is not to tell God what you want. The question is to ask God what do you want for me because God has a dream for you and I will have to tell you I have lived and continue to live God's dream for me. That's why you can't touch it. It cannot be touched. It cannot be touched. All the haters can hate on. They can say whatever you want to say. They can do your they cannot be touched when you live God's dream for you. What is God's dream for you? Can you step into what God's dream is for you instead of you trying to figure out what the dream is and what to do and where to go in the next thing? He has a dream for you. That's why I'm you know the bishop I was just talking to him yesterday because I think it's wonderful that he's handing over the you know authority of the pastoral duties and I said this cannot mean that you're not preaching anymore because that is your gift. That is God's dream for you. I mean something happens to you when you're in the spirit and doing that right? Yes. Something happens. Yes. You are you are transformed. Yes. Yes. You transcend a human thing. You are transformed. You are able to interpret scripture and allow us to see and feel it. Let me tell you I was going through a thing because I didn't listen to God. I was listening to myself. I was trying to not offend. I made a business decision that I shouldn't have made at the time when I left the show. What I should have done is what I know is the truth. I should have gotten still so much so that I would wake up in the middle of the night and the bible verse that was running through my head was they that wait on the Lord shall renew their strength. But I had all these contracts for you know starting a new network and I was like oh but they're there and that's it and but God and I was trying to convince God that it was the right thing to do and that's why a year later every single headline was Oprah and the struggling old network because it was it was not a decision that came out of the spirit was not and it was a mistake for me at the time because I didn't listen to the voice inside myself. I was like well everybody says you got to leverage this moment you got to leverage this moment and I have to tell you I was I was I was as close to being depressed as as one can be and still moving through the world and I came down to the potter's house. I came down to the potter's house and the bishop was preaching a sermon called saving the scraps. Now I yes and I listen we all church people we we have heard the story of them loaves and fishes our whole lives. The bishop took those loaves and fishes and talked about what happens after the loaves and fishes and saving the scraps and they put all the scraps on the boat and then when the winds and the waves came they forgot all about what had happened earlier in the day. That sermon saving the scraps turned me around and allowed me to remember all the times that God had showed up for me. So I left I left the potter's house and prayed that prayer underneath my oaks and the eucalyptus all right God I've been trying to do it myself you tell me what you want me to do. Thank you for that. Yes thank you thank you it's it's it's an amazing thing to get to a know when you are an aggressive person. Yes you have to be an aggressive person in order to be successful but you cannot be so aggressive that you damage yourself with your own aggression and become your own worst enemy so I was anxious to hear what you had to say about that by the way it might have not have been what God dreamed for you but you still landed on your feet pretty good I did okay I did okay with that you did okay I did okay so so talk to me a minute about turning mistakes into miracles because you said clearly I made a mistake and there's not a person there's not an entrepreneur that didn't buy the wrong building move to the wrong neighborhood buy the wrong product trust the wrong person get the wrong supplier get the wrong delivery and you made a mistake but you made a mistake and turned it into a miracle by timing it out in such a way I guess you never told me this I'm just standing on the outside looking in the window with my nose up against the window pane you know and so they're the big nose friend on the center you're living in the window because all of a sudden you took this this mess and turned it into a miracle and worked your way out of it and what I'm trying to do is get in your head because until we learn to think a certain way we will throw our hands up in a mess and go make it a bigger mess well what I realized is I started out with this idea that I was going to have it as a spiritual inspirational channel based on seed of the soul and that audience was not coming so what I what I what I was able to do in making the shift is what a lot of people do in relationships and also businesses you have this idea that you want or you want this person to be and you're trying to force that thing instead of looking at what do you really have what is the audience that followed you to this channel and how do you now take that base and use that base and offer that audience what they are looking for that is what I did I had an idea of what it should be then it showed me what it wanted to be and what it could be and so I shifted and moved in the direction of what was possible instead of pushing against the resistance of what I thought should be possible that is what changed chapter four money you you don't uh run around with a lot of people you know I don't uh I I don't you know you don't see you in a big crowd of people and a bunch of girlfriends down at the mall and doing doing all of that talk to me about the social life that accommodates success because a lot of people say they want success and then when they start to get success the disappointment from family from friends from co-workers from neighborhoods grabs them off to clear witness yeah gotta get a witness in here I gotta witness yeah how how have you learned to make yourself happy reading a book well first of all I grew up reading bible stories remember they were selling those blue bible stories just look like encyclopedia so I grew up uh with my grandmother alone so being alone is a comforting thing to me but I also learned that who you associate with especially when you're on the rise and people are trying to use you and take advantage of you and you can feel that you can feel when that is happening uh you can feel when that is happening you can feel when that is happening that the ability to distance yourself from that I I I've actually done what I call the negro exit fee I love it I love it I have a negro exit fee where you have just come and you wonder because I don't believe in in loaning people money and because I know that when I loaned it to you you're not going to pay it back to me you ain't never going to pay it back to me because when it comes time to pay it back you're going to go she don't need it so I have I have I have given money to people that I wanted out of my life just so I could say when you come back I'm done I'm done I'm done now here's the thing and I you know I have this wonderful school in South Africa where I've put uh 830 girls have graduated from the school 690 girls have grown 690 have graduated from college and I currently have 195 in college still and all of those girls come from challenged backgrounds because you can't you're not allowed in the school if your parents make more than $10,000 a year and most of the girls on average their parents make no more than $3,000 a year so they come from really challenged traumatic backgrounds but are brilliant girls and have gone on to do I just had a survey done last year of where all those girls are that's why I know there's 890 6195 still in college and what we have been able to do in South Africa is interrupt poverty is what this study showed us we have interrupted the cycle of poverty with these classes of girls who have gone on to become doctors and lawyers and investors and clinicians and STEM girls and you know every facet of the work environment these girls are now in and have gone back into their communities and have changed what is happening in their family's lives so that that is that is really the the blessing that God has has been able to allow me to bestow upon so many other African women but this is what I tell them because you are the first in your family everybody's going to think you were bank and anybody here anybody here know what I'm talking about it and it is up to you it is up to you to help them to know the truth about how it works and you do not serve them when you continue to take care of people who refuse to take care of themselves so this is what I had to learn I had to learn that it was my decision and it I was so troubled by this in the beginning because I you know I what I made was in the paper so I couldn't I could no longer say I don't have the money because people say I know you got it because I read about that and my house I need a new porch and I need a new car and I needed this and so I mean there was a time back in my think I used to I used to pray on this all the time of Lord help me how do I do this how do I do and this is what I've learned I've bought houses and cars and homes for people who lost them I bought I put so many people through school I've given so much money and this is what I learned in the end you should never this is the best advice you're going to get on this you should never give anybody any more money than they've already earned that's good and the reason why you should never give them any more money because when somebody asks you for so in the beginning my family always needed $500 when I was in Baltimore the day I moved to Chicago everybody needed five thousand the day it was announced I was syndicated everybody then needed fifty thousand nothing nothing worked unless they had fifty thousand dollars and so this is what is this the professor of economics told me is that when you give people more money than they've ever been able to earn they have no idea of what that is and so you are really doing them a disservice you are doing them a disservice enabling them and enabling them and so once I recognize first of all I used to pray what do I owe what do I owe what should I give what do I know and I recognize that you get to decide just because they're asking for an amount doesn't mean you have to do it so I decided I brought all my family together one night yeah one the reunion and I said here's what I'm gonna do here's what I'm going to do for you and you and you and you and you and you and this is my decision and this is how much everybody's gonna get and you're gonna get this and you're gonna get this and I will tell you it didn't work it didn't work because within a short period of time this is before I knew that rule but within a short period of time everybody had had wasted the money and lost the houses and all the things so I I think that that is one of the hardest things to overcome when you have been the one in your family so I leave you with you get to decide and you get to decide how much how often where to give it and how to give it and it should be thoughtful in such a way that it doesn't enable people not to take care of themselves because ultimately that's what you're trying to do you're trying to lift up lift up and let them raise and meet the rising of their own lives amazing thank you for that I think that the bill is a big hand clap yeah a really big hand clap chapter five artificial intelligence discover a spectacular island destination with crystal blue seas endless sunshine and the cool Bahamian breeze Baha Mar located in Nassau Bahamas offers your choice of three luxury hotels the richly refined rosewood the playfully hip sls and the stylishly modern grandtye it with over 45 restaurants bars and lounges Baha Mar serves up delicious dining from world-renowned chefs like Daniel Ballood and Marcus Sanderson nightlife venues like the new Jean-Baptiste jazz club and the Caribbean's most luxurious casino at Baha Mar you'll find every pleasure under the sun and one of a kind experiences for the entire family like Baha Bay our 15 acre rush tropical 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groundbreaking comedy series is back for season two featuring an all-new cast this installment takes the comedy out of the courthouse and into the mountains above Malibu for an annual company retreat the catch everyone but the new guys and actor oh yeah and the company's fake get to know all the employees of rock and grandma's hot sauce a family business with everything on the line season two arrives with bigger laughs higher stakes and the same heart that made the first season a cultural phenomenon and here's the fun part you'll be able to try all four flavors of rock and grandma's hot sauce on amazon jury duty presents company retreat is streaming on prime video march 20th don't miss the feel good comedy everyone's going to be talking about listen our voices are too big and too loud and too strong not to at least touch on this i believe in artificial intelligence i'm living today in part because of a i i had a massive heart attack that went in through my they went in through my artery in my arm and cleared out my heart while i was awake because of a i so i'm not against a i and what it has done for medicine and what it has done for the speed of uh technology and efficiency and and solving problems and finding cures however i am concerned that a lot of our people are not prepared for the jobs that a i is going to create and they're going to lose their jobs at a time that the tariffs are going to raise the prices on goods and services i am concerned that inflation is squeezing us like a vice between two parameters and we are not really fully conscious that we are being squeezed and nor do we have a strategy and there are strategies you know every doctor needs a plumber there are strategies that would avert this and make this work well what do you say to us at this time in history we've seen it before we've seen it lots of times before and we've overcome them but each time you can't use an old method against a new devil what do you think we should be doing or telling our children or exposing ourselves to in order to maintain a relevancy i came out of the industrial age the whole plants and everything shut down we lost everything went down to absolutely nothing i know what it is to have my car repossessed i know what it is to not be able to buy diapers from my children i know what it is to have a very very very hard time and i know it takes a lot of grit to and stamina to rise above it what kind of grit do you think we need in this hour to prepare us to either take on courses take on classes or or raise our voices and when we raise our voices what should we be saying okay i don't think raising your voice in this moment about ai is going to do one dog gun thing i don't no because i think it's here i think ai is is going to be as prevalent as you know the automobiles and so what you don't want to be is one of those people saying i'm going to hold onto my horse i'm keeping my horse you know because it's it's not just is it coming it is here right it is already here and i think the most we can do is to educate ourselves about it and the thing about the thing about educating because i did a whole special on it is that every three to four months the education is different than it was three months ago right because it is advancing so rapidly so i think finding a way to adjust and live with it and be open to the possibility of not of using it and i do think that using it medically is where we're going to see the greatest benefits we've already so we we we say god thank you and bless ai for helping to save you yes so i think the greatest advances are going to be in the medical field amen to that amen to that amen to that i'm gonna stand up stand up for yourself amen to that ai so i think the greatest advances are going to be for that and i think uh other advances are going to be in terms of education i think the ability to have each child particularly kids who are slow learners or are dyslexic or have learning disabilities i think having a system of ai that coordinates a curriculum specific to your child is going to change the way children learn in the future and i think that our eyes have not seen or ears have heard the possibilities that are going to to that we're all going to be allowed to benefit from on the other hand i just was speaking to some someone yesterday who's a member of my staff who had to put her 19 year old son in an institution because he's so addicted to gaming and the telephone and cannot function in a world without it so i think that what social media and what technology is doing uh with abandon to parents who are not able to maintain some kind of discipline and control with their kids is also very very very dangerous i think that these are real defining times for us and i i you know i i i firmly believe that in times like these it is necessary it is essential it is vital to get as close to god as you can i think that the spiritual root the spiritual root uh defines and upholds itself for all things and so you know as i look out into the world and the and all the things that are happening it is in encourage me to be more diligent with my spiritual practice is what it is doing for me i think that's very very important uh when you when you think about i'm reading a book anxious generation oh yeah yeah i've interviewed him three times yeah yeah yeah it's a very very interesting book on what technology does to a child too soon yes and a child's brain yes yes and and right now 40 percent like i because i just interviewed him 40 percent of two year olds are giving an ipad and the thing about giving your child the ipad at such an early age it's your babysitter but your child's brain doesn't form the way it's supposed to form because the synapse in the brain does not so i i i think that we are in for a wild ride not only that you don't know how to have interaction with other human beings well that's the woman who just had to institutionalize her son yeah dropped out of school dropped out of sophomore year in college because could not function so these 18 19 year olds coming up who live through covet and were on their phones in on social media the whole time particularly a lot of men who grown up and will not be able to be socialized because having access to pornography at such an early age has disabled them to even be able to socialize and actually have interactions with you know real women don't you think that we have to be intentional about creating communication amongst ourselves lest we reduce everything down to texts and tweets and we have to be intentional about picking up the phone about calling people about sitting down and having a cup of coffee because that's that's the one thing that artificial intelligence cannot duplicate absolutely is is our human ability to be creative and have conversation and that was exactly what i was hoping you would get to and did is that we we have to be we cannot afford ourselves to allow ourselves to be pushed into an island of isolation because mental health is real we just came through covet absolutely okay then we go to AI we we're dealing with AI then we're dealing with these the inflation now we're dealing with the tariffs we're dealing with the news itself the news itself is a stressor all by itself and i don't know whether we realize it or not our customers are stressed our family are stressed our our co-workers are stressed and sometimes in order to keep your staff together you have to stop and talk to the people that normally could be a contribution to you to say how are you are you really okay are you okay are you okay here's the thing i've done i have limited my intake of news so when i say i've gone back to and you mentioned that i like book yo yo y'all would think my life is so boring because i spend so much time looking inward and being sometimes gail will call me and say what are you doing sitting with your thoughts by the way she was very upset that she couldn't come she told me to get first of all the first to get a picture together and she said tell the bishop i really wanted to be there for some banana pudding and i said i'm off of banana pudding now but anyway let me tell you let me tell you what that means i told opera when she came to me last time i was persuading her to come i said i've already got all the cameras i've already got everything you need all you got to do is hook up your equipment and you can come in you can get a couple of shows out of it and i'm trying to negotiate a deal none of that work you know what worked i said i'll bake you a banana pudding she said i'm coming i'm coming for the banana pudding that's true coming now you got all skinny and stuff i don't i don't i don't i might have to make you a lettuce roll or something i don't know i don't know what we're gonna do about that are you all enjoying this conversation discover a spectacular island destination with crystal blue seas endless sunshine and the cool bahamian breeze 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soda taste skypop protein soda reach for the sky get your skypop protein soda now at target attention fans of jury duty the groundbreaking comedy series is back for season two featuring an all-new cast this installment takes the comedy out of the courthouse and into the mountains above malibu for an annual company retreat the catch everyone but the new guy is an actor oh yeah and the company's fake get to know all the employees of rock and grandma's hot sauce a family business with everything on the line season two arrives with bigger laughs higher stakes and the same heart that made the first season a cultural phenomenon and here's the fun part you'll be able to try all four flavors of rock and grandma's hot sauce on amazon jury duty presents company retreat is streaming on prime video march 20th don't miss the feel-good comedy everyone's going to be talking about so so when you start talking about ai it is impacting your world through entertainment the way that you used to make a movie used to make shoot a show used to edit a show used to add color to the show used to intensify all of that all of that has changed now that's right how are you handling that and how should the people out here who also whether they want to admit it or not ai is changing the way you do business or you paying more money to ride your horse rather than to get in in the automobile because you you just say if i ignore it long enough and stick my head in the sand it's going to go away but machines don't get sick machines don't get pregnant machines don't take off from work machines don't take vacation machines that they are here to stay and and how are you incorporating that in your strategy for business and since i can't ask all of them i might ask you well this is what i know to be true it and that is that storytelling you know in whatever form one of the reasons why you're so great in teaching us the gospel is because you always build it around a story and that is why it is so well received because people connect to the story and then the message of the story so what i know is in my business in line of work that the ability to share stories and to share information through stories that will never change and what is going to be important is for us to keep our eyes on the prize because it is necessary to have discernment which is what we're missing it's necessary to have discernment so that you can tell the difference between the distortions of ai and that which is made up and that which is make believe you know everybody talks about fake news but it's up to us to understand through our discernment the difference because it's going to be it's going to be difficult and that's on purpose it's already difficult it's already it's on purpose design that way it's sweeping our country you can't believe what you see because they produce it said a massive rate things that sound like you look like you i've seen things that i know you didn't say how how are we going to use this amazing gift before somebody uses it against us not just in a salacious way but in a destructive way that could cause us our lives how do we think about marketing how do we think about doing business overseas how do we think about reaching around the world because your neighbors are burned out with what you're selling and a lot of times you're a good seed but you're in bad soil yeah and if if you take that same seed and you put it in good soil whether it's a real appetite for what you have to offer it's amazing what can happen to you and it's amazing who will support you regardless of the color of your skin black white brown america is green america is curious as to how because i had a wonderful conversation last night with with uh miss kelly cornish who's head of your foundation and also with michael who's running tdj's enterprises i'm curious as to how you all are incorporating that into incorporating ai into the work that you're doing now with good soil and other things see you on interview me back yeah see and she's good and she's good at it too you gotta you gotta watch this girl a few clap up on stage with her we are using it for research we are using it to do analysis of what is going on in certain states in certain cities and what are the laws regarding each area that we operate in we are looking at it for projections over the next five years of where we're going incorporating it into our plans and our thought process we are using it for technology to do advertisement we are doing it because i can't be in every place at the same time and i can reproduce my voice in such a way that i can take my voice and propel it into places and languages and languages i need to sit down and talk to you about all that you should no kidding because you can translate into excuse us we we talk so we we have that we forgot y'all for a minute you you you you you can translate it into languages that you wouldn't be able to speak in and propel your voice much further than you could on its own but the analysis the analysis i keep coming back to because we start a business because we need money we don't start a business because the community needs a service right and 80 of people who start a business because of their own need go out of business the most successful businesses are built on finding the need of the area that you're working in and ai will help you to be able to do that absolutely i have to say too that just to add to that point that whatever your business is if you shift the paradigm to how do i use this in service to the people who are coming and wanting your product or wanting your service or wanting your information and it is geared that's what i did with own and also what we did with the open show we after every show would sit down and talk to the audience who came and would listen to them and that became my my my my focus group every day having conversations with people about where they were in their lives and what they were looking for and how they needed to be served so you're saying we can now use ai to do that yes you just feed into who the audience is or who the customer is and ai will help you to better serve absolutely you can do it and save all kinds of money in editing and save all kinds of money in producing products and save all kinds of money in research there are a lot of ways you can do it you don't need a lot of money to do it you can start out with your telephone you can start out very very small so which ai do you use you check gbt what do you use i want to know let me talk to you after this interview we want to know which one you use i think you have to use several because some of them do graphics some of them do voiceover some of them do research i think you have to study the family of artificial intelligence to better understand what they can do what i am concerned about is the new forms of ai that are coming out who are thinking for themselves and i think that's what we need to be watching out for because we may have have created something that we can't control i'm concerned that we don't have laws that have caught up with our technology no and we don't because everybody was trying to stay ahead of china yeah yes yeah yeah it all comes down to the green as you were saying right right right right and and and any tool no matter how good it is in the hands of a wicked person i heard Warren Buffett say something i will never forget you can't do good business with bad people you just cannot do good business with bad people we got to wrap this up in a minute but let me ask you is there anything especially you wanted to say before i shoot no i'm just following your lead okay okay chapter six advice to younger self if you could go back to mississippi and talk to that little girl out in that front yard what would you tell her what would i tell her i would first and foremost know how loved she is because i grew up not feeling a lot of love from the people around me and i would tell her you know my grandmother did the best she could but i had one of those strict disciplinary and grandmothers and i say as tyler often says you know uh she didn't give me much but she did give me jesus she had the ability to give me jesus and so i would say to that girl and i'd say to anybody here it's going to be all right it's going to be all right and i would say you know my favorite song is uh i surrender all and i learned that you know when i was trying to get into the color purple and didn't think it was going to happen and started singing that song and suddenly the woman appeared and said steven spielberg is on the phone and so i have lived a surrendered life and i would say understanding as i believed you know i have said this for many years that you don't get what you want you actually get what you believe and so if you're not where you want you need to look at what you believe and so because i truly believed when i was told that i was god's child and many for many years when people would ask me about it i would say you know jesus is my brother because i'm god's daughter and the kids want to beat me up because he come that preacher girl talk about jesus again and so i would tell that little girl to hold on to god's unchanging hand that's what i would tell her hold the god's unchanging hand you know because it has been the source of all things for me and can i tell this story can i tell this i want to tell this story um some of you may have heard me tell this story but this is this is actually actually how i know how god works so when i was in baltimore and i was uh making started out in baltimore making 22 000 a year by the time i finished i was making 57 000 so i thought that was it when i went to chicago and they offered me 250 000 a year gail said that's it you never have to work again 200 um so i've come up the ranks i've had every single salary from the time i was 16 years old and first started working at the radio station made a hundred dollars a week and then i went from a hundred dollars a week and then i made 10 thousand dollars a year 12 000 15 all the way up all the way up the ranks and when i was in baltimore there was a woman who was a producer of the show i was doing called people are talking and wealthy wealthy jewish woman who still remains a friend our lean weiner is her name and her husband arnold very famous um attorney in baltimore and so i went to visit arlene at her house and arlene had um they were like three cars in the driveway and i was like whoa there's a jaguar and there's a Mercedes and then there was like a sting wave for their son i was like arlene is rich and i walked into arlene's house and they had all the things and i remember standing in the kitchen looking out arlene weiner's window and i could see in the front yard these six trees and i went oh rich people have trees right if i ever get enough money to buy myself a house i'm gonna have me six trees and i was at my house in santa barbara a couple of years after i'd moved into the house i was standing in the kitchen looking out the window and i was standing there waiting on the on the on the teeter brew and i looked out and i saw the six trees and i went there's the six trees there's the six trees i walked out into the front of the yard y'all i wish i had a picture of my front yard and beyond the six trees were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of trees the bishop can tell you i live with some trees i am surrounded by trees and the trees have trees the trees have little tree babies and in that moment i thought wow i had the dream for the six but jesus had a bigger dream for me no you want to please me up here had a bigger dream for me so here's the thing you plant the six in your good soil you plant it in your good soil you nurture that good soil you ask god what do you want me to do with this good soil and one day you're gonna look up and you are standing in a forest that's fabulous you are standing in a forest whatever it is you give it to him you offer it in surrender surrender it all and it will come back to you a thousand fold i can tell you that is true because i am living god's dream for me thank you dallas amazing absolutely incredible give it up for oprah wendtree come on miss oprah can i say can i say one thing thank you before we close what she said about your belief system about yourself is one of the hardest changes to make yeah you will ever make in your life and if you want to start the change one clue that i have found that works very well watch who you hang around they are a mirror that often reflects what you really think of yourself and this canceling out of the idea of imposter syndrome that when you get in a better situation you self sabotage yourself out of that situation refuse to run and hide stay there if you don't have the right clothes stay there if you don't have the right shoes stay there if you don't learn the language yet stay there if you don't know what to think about yourself stay there if they mistreat you stay there if they don't like you stay there if you have to learn a whole new way of talking and talk real slow so that you don't go into your old dialect and hit that default setting and over time over time nothing is impossible to him that believes it has been my great honor to have the privilege to have in front of this wonderful audience the conversation with my friend thank you and my sister thank you for coming i'm so overjoyed to be here so overjoyed to be here i have to say that you know i let's speak a minute about this imposter thing because the first time somebody told me in an interview they felt like an imposter i had to go look it up because because i know who's i am when you know who's you are when you really know who's you are you know who puts you in those rooms you couldn't be there the reason i don't understand it is you couldn't be there unless he puts you there right you are there because you belong there you are belong there and you're there to be shown how your being there changes the space because of the energy that you're bringing into the space you're absolutely right i've never i've i've i've i've i've i've never felt like an imposter anywhere and most places i go certainly in the earlier years i would i would have to leave and go oh i think was i the only black person in the room was i the only black person in the room oh i certainly was the only woman in the room the only black person in the room and i it never occurred to me to feel like i didn't belong because i knew that what maya angelo says is true in her poem the grandmothers she says i come as one but baby i stand as 10 000 you are never in there alone everybody who ever prayed for you whoever wanted for you whoever hoped for you you walk into the space with all of them with all of them and we all have been prayed up to this moment absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely again give it up for her miss opera win three thank you dallas thank you 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