Andrew Eborn on Prince Andrew’s Arrest, Michael Rogers on GPS Threats, Brian Pinelli on Olympics

Westwood One presents America at Night. Here's your host, McGraw-Milhaven. All right, we have got a busy and packed show for you. Let's get right to it. In our number three, of course, phone calls and text messages where we can talk about everything that's going on, including the drumbeat to some type of military intervention into Iran. We talked about that last night. We'll take more phone calls coming up in hour number three. In hour number two, Bill Clevelin somewhere on Highway 1 in California. He also apparently went to go visit the Hearst Castle and saw Rosebud. We'll find out more about that with Bill Clevelin coming up in hour number two. Also in hour number two, we're going to talk to a former four-star general of the U.S. Navy. He wrote an op-ed piece for The Hill, which caught a lot of attention, talking about the GPS system, the one we use on our phones, the one we use for satellites, the one we use for dropping bombs, the one we use for everything, Amazon trucks and everything else under the sun. Well, that system is very vulnerable to attack and has been attacked. And if it goes down, we sort of cease to exist as a society because we are so dependent on the computer and the GPS grid. So we'll check in with that with him. In our number one, a little bit later on, we're going to check in with Brian Pennelly, who is a veteran sports journalist. He is in Milan and covering the Olympics. We've had a busy, busy day, including one of the great days of U.S. and Canadian hockey. Yesterday, we had an American win. We had the U.S.-Canadian women's hockey game that went into overtime. Holy mackerel, that was some game. And then, of course, we had the arrest heard around the world, right? Former Prince Andrew was arrested as part of the Epstein files. So coming up in just a bit, we're going to go across the pond and check in with a British broadcaster, a barrister, and a well-respected journalist, Andrew Ebron, who is going to be joining us to talk about all of that. I was talking to somebody earlier today about gambling, and they were betting the house on the American women. And I was like, well, you know, the minute you think it's guaranteed, you have to wait. Well, at last I checked, the American women were favored by one and a half goals. They ended up winning two to one. So Canada covered. So be careful what you wish for and be careful how you vote out there. They call it gambling for a reason. We'll go across the pond and find out what happened to Prince Andrew right after this. Back in a moment. This is America at Night with McGraw-Millhaven. Welcome to America at Night with McGraw-Milhaven. The British police this morning here in America, afternoon in Great Britain, arrested Andrew Montbatten Windsor, formerly known as Prince Andrew, over suspicions of misconduct in public office after accusations that he shared critical information with Jeffrey Epstein while serving as a British trade envoy. Boy, that sound you heard was a gasp from all around the world as this news broke. And what about Buckingham Palace? To talk all about it, our guest is a broadcaster from Great Britain. He's a podcaster, well-respected. Andrew Eborn joins us for a couple of minutes. So how is this landing in Great Britain? I can only imagine. Well, it's obviously a seismic move in terms of what's happening with the media. But the media over here is under very strict restrictions to avoid contempt of court. And the basic principle is, is nobody is above the law, but everybody is entitled to a fair trial. And what that means is that there are restrictions as to what you can report and what you can't report in terms of that sort of side to ensure that nothing prejudices that trial. But what we had is Thames Valley Police made an announcement this morning that they arrested a man in his 60s from Norfolk on suspicion of misconduct in public offences and in public office. And what they said, and I can read it to you, as part of the investigation, we had today arrested a man in his 60s from Norfolk on suspicion of misconduct in public office and are carrying out searches at addresses in Berkshire and Norfolk. The man remains in custody. And I think that's the important thing to take account. And we will not be naming the arrested man as per national guidance. Please also remember that this case is now active. So care should be taken with any publication to avoid being in contempt of court. And that's the sort of key to sort of look at. But the offence itself, what's happened over here is the king himself has named his brother. The king himself has turned around, basically say, look, the law must take its full course. And that's what's going to happen. But it's an extremely serious offence. And actually, if convicted, the person charged with such an offence could suffer life imprisonment. That's the most draconian punishment. And it is interesting because you talk about this being unprecedented. unprecedented. Well, no working or recently working royal had previously been arrested in modern times. We did have here in 2002 Princess Anne, the Princess Royal, became the first senior royal in over 350 years to be convicted of a criminal offence. It was a very minor one in comparison. She pleaded guilty under what's the Dangerous Dogs Act after one of her dogs bit two children in Windsor Great Park And she was fined £500 plus compensation and cost. But she was not arrested. She simply attended court. And going much further back, the last senior royal arrest in British history was King Charles I in 1647 during the English Civil War. And he was later executed. That's the position now. And as I say, it's incredibly serious offence. But it does need to go through the full legal process. And everybody is innocent until proven guilty. Holy mackerel, that's a lot of information to unpack. What about, let's start with bail. He'll get bail at some point, won't he? Well, so the principle is this. When somebody's arrested, they go through this particular process, and I can run you through that quickly. The custody officer, they authorize the detention. They then record details, be things like fingerprints and DNA. They'll explain the rights. This happens to everybody. They're entitled to free legal advice, and they can notify somebody, get an interpreter if necessary. A risk assessment is then done on that person. They're allowed to be detained for up to 24 hours initially, and that can be extended to 36 hours if the superintendent thinks it appropriate. And then otherwise you have to go to the magistrates for a maximum of 96 hours. But at the moment, nobody's being charged. All that's happened is there's been an arrest. They've got that time period where you've either got to do a charge or you've got to release the person. will they announce the charges when and if they actually charge him? Well, the basic, absolutely. What they'll do, they'll work out the principle of what information will need to be released. But they're also, and I say it's a very, very heavy obligation over here. It differs in various jurisdictions around the world. And as you know, I speak in lots of different jurisdictions. Some of them are much more liberal in terms of what's covered and what's not covered. It's wall-to-wall television. in the states, including in trials and so on and so forth. We've only relatively recently introduced television into the courts in England. And that's just the sentencing of judges. And the reason for that is I always say that trust comes in on foot and leaves on horseback. And trust in the judicial process, trust in the police, trust in the media is perhaps at an all time low. And so what they decided in order to help restore the trust in the justice system is to start televising parts of the particular judicial process, namely the sentencing. And during the sentencing, the judge will summarise the facts. So this is assuming somebody's been found guilty. Once they've been found guilty, the judge will summarise the facts, put out any mitigating circumstances, i.e. what would reduce the sentence, and any aggravating circumstances, i.e. what would be the higher end of the sentence, during that sort of side. And every judge is supposed to come up with the same sentence. There's this formula, if you like, by the sentencing council so that everybody looking at the particular circumstances of a case would work that out. But that is a long way down the line at the moment because there is no there are no charges yet. There hasn't even been a trial and nobody's been found guilty. So everybody has to start on the premise that everybody's innocent until proven guilty. And we mustn't discuss in the public any evidence that might come to light or anything that might prejudice or have a serious prejudicial effect on a fair trial. Very different than here in the States. Andrew E. Bourne is our guest. Andrew, it seems like the royal family, King Charles, one, there's no playbook, two, it seems like there was a double-decker bus and they threw him under the bus and they don't have any support. He doesn't have any support from the monarchy. Well, it is interesting. I mean, the financial support, he received financial support from his mother when he paid out in the civil case. Very separate in terms of this sort of stuff. The charges and the information we have, it doesn't relate to any sexual allegations that have been made and have been bandied around in the press. But he did receive the support from his mother. He was apparently the favourite of the favourite child of the late Queen Elizabeth. King Charles himself, he was put up in Royal Lodge, which is a big 30 room mansion in Windsor. And he'd been there for some time, paying just a peppercorn rent, a tiny amount of money, a nominal amount. But on the basis that he paid a large sum up front and he was going to be doing the upkeep of that. He's now moving to a place on the Sandringham Estate. And that's where he is at the well. That's where his home is going to be. And that's the principle. But certainly the other members of the royal family, I mean, William himself has talked about it being a stain on the royal family, about seeing all these different allegations keep coming out in the press and so on and so forth. And this is the problem. They really want to turn around. They've stripped Andrew of his various titles. And so he's lost that sort of side. It's been humiliating for him on that sort of basis. But the royal family themselves, they don't want to be exposed to any scandal. But that's why the king, I think he had no obligation to do that. But he came out very clearly. He named his brother and said that he is deepest, deepest concern. That's what his phrase was, deepest concern. But he did emphasize, let it go through the full and fair and proper process. And that's what needs to be done. Let the evidence be considered by the appropriate people. And we have to avoid speculation over here as to those particular sides. You had the ambassador lose his job. Now you have the former prince getting arrested. What's the thought on Prime Minister Keir Stormer? Does does he survive this scandal, even though he wasn't a part of it? Well, the interesting thing is to what extent was he part of the scandal? It was a misjudgment. He was sorry that he made the appointment. you're referring to Peter Mandelson or as he's now referred to Peter Scandelson with more and more sides. There'd be no charges or no at the moment regarding him. So no doubt that will come out in the fullness of time. And I always say that sunlight is the best disinfectant. We need to look at these sort of sides. But politically over here, Keir Starmer has done more U-turns than a plumber with their U-bends, if you like. So what happened here is he's under a political pressure every single week. He is basically, he was under a lot of pressure about his appointment of Peter Mandelson. He said he didn't know at the time the nature and extent of his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. He said that Mandelson effectively lied about that relationship and how long he'd continued with it. So that's going to come on that sort of side. But Starmer's under pressure from all sorts of people. They're not very popular in the polls at the moment over here. He turned around. We were going to have local elections. They were going to be postponed. But in the end, he was told that it's going to be against the law if you postpone them. So he had to do a U-turn on that. When he was being elected in his manifesto, he used phrases like we're not going to be taxing, increasing taxes on the ordinary working man. Well, everybody's an ordinary working man and woman. And what they did in the latest budget, they did increase taxes. So, again, there was a huge U-turn there. So, politically, a star was in a very, very difficult position, and the pressure will continue to mount. Over here on this side of the pond, Andrew, they're asking the question, how come nobody in America is being arrested for anything with Jeffrey Epstein? And it seems to be that the British and Great Britain seems to be doling out all sorts of punishment. Has anybody made the comment that Great Britain's having more people fall from the Jeffrey Epstein case than people here in America? Well, I think Hillary Clinton herself and both the Clintons are going to be testifying in this particular case. And she urged anybody connected with Epstein to go ahead and supply whatever information they want. And certainly I would do the same, encourage anybody who might have information to go ahead and do it. sunlight is the best disinfectant. So if people have information anywhere in the world, and it's not just in the US or even Great Britain, people who might have connections, Jeffrey Epstein had connections everywhere. And some of those could very well be very innocent. And lots of people say, look, no, we had an entirely innocent relationship with him. Well, go ahead and explain what you might have, if there's any information that you can to help appropriate people get justice, then that should be done. But the key message here, and the king, again, the royal family have said all along that their first priority on the sexual side was for the victims. And that was their first thought. And that's what they've said. And even Prince Edward, when he came out and commented fairly recently, he said, look, their first thought is for the victims. And that has to be the case on that sort of side. But I emphasize again, and because the very, very strict rules that we have here is that everybody's innocent until proven guilty. We have to rely on the legal process and we have to make sure that nothing prejudices that process. Andrew, last question for you. And I thank you for showing up on a very, very busy day for you. Sarah Ferguson seems to be taking quite a bit of criticism for the emails, the comments that have come out in the emails, her friendship with Jeffrey Epstein long after she should have known. She also brought her daughters into some of those emails. What happens to Sarah Ferguson now? Well, it's interesting. There's no suggestion of any charges against her at the moment. What's happened is if you look at the timeline of what happened with Sarah Ferguson, she denied having any contact with Jeffrey Epstein. Again, what's happened is the release of the papers go against that suggestion. The latest, and as you know, I talk on more platforms than Paddington around the world, the latest sort of revelation, is that not only did she ask Jeffrey Epstein for money and receive money from him, she actually asked him at one stage to marry him. Marry me, Jeffrey, and calling him all sorts of wonderful things, and even asked for a job and working for him because she had financial difficulties and continues to do so. We originally sort of felt quite sorry for her in terms of being in the shadow of the various other accusations. It's now come out that she's got quite a few connections, and the shadow cast as a result of that on the rest of the family is quite worrying. So a lot of people are trying to distance themselves as a result from her. And also we used to feel quite sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie, the two daughters. And we need to know exactly what the extent of that relationship was. But as I say, sunlight is the best disinfectant. More and more revelations will come out. And I think, again, we can work out exactly how people respond in the appropriate way. Andrew E. Bourne is well-respected, well-trusted at Andrew E. Bourne. We know it's a busy, busy day for you. Thank you for spending a couple of minutes with us. 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Brian Pennelly is our guest, formerly of CBS Sports. That's where he got his start, and that's where he started covering the Olympics. Now he is a veteran international journalist and Olympic expert who has become the preeminent American voice on Milan and the 26 Winter Games. He's been based in Cortina for the last number of years, and he provides on-the-ground reporting for many of the major sports outlets. His career has spanned 25 years, 11 Olympic cycles, making him one of the most experienced winter sports journalists in the field. Brian Pinelli, welcome to America at Night. Thank you very much, McGraw. Appreciate that very kind and extensive introduction. I just have to let you know I lost my voice a little bit last night cheering for Michaela Schifrin, but otherwise everything is great here in beautiful and snowy Cortina Dempezzo. So great to be with you, sir. Were you cheering her on on the field of play, or were you cheering her on in the bar afterwards? Uh-oh, you asked the tough questions as I expected. No, I'll share a little insight with you that, you know, maybe some of the American audience doesn't know. I mean, obviously, obviously there on the Olympia Della Tofana, you know, the Olympic piece that was used at the 1956 Olympics. And, you know, yesterday's women's slalom was the final event there. But so cool that Michaela was a guest of the Austrian ski team. And, you know, Austria, this is religion. I mean, they know Michaela as a bigger rock star than probably in the U.S., although she's doing pretty well in the U.S. They welcome her and the U.S. ski team into Austria house last night, 9.30 p.m. The girls came in, you know, dressed up in some cool fleece and black cowboy hats and red tank tops. And I'll tell you, when Michaela and the ladies entered, the Austrians, probably 95 percent Austrians, just went berserk, welcomed her, went up on stage. Obviously, they gave her a bottle of champagne, Olympic champion in the background on the large screen. And Michaela, with a big smile, opened up the bottle of champagne and sprayed it across all the Austrians and a few Americans like myself that went in. But, you know, just goes to show you the international magnitude of ski racing outside the United States. So a great moment for Michaela. Nice moment for the U.S. ski team. And, yeah, I must confess, maybe I lost my voice a little bit there last night. Good. I would expect nothing less. I'd kick you off the show if you didn't have a good time. You know, let's stay with her for a minute because she's, right, she was a darling. She's been up. She's been down. It's been a heartbreaking process. For her to win that gold medal yesterday, here in the States, there was a sigh of relief. There was a joy. There was a lot of people rooting for her. She seems like a wonderful champion, and imagine the hard work and the years it took to get back up on that podium with a gold medal. Well-deserved, and I think she handled it wonderfully. and it really was one of the great stories of these games. Absolutely, 100%. You know, I was lucky to cover Michaela's very first World Cup race back in the Czech Republic when she was on the verge of turning 16. So, you know, her body of work is 15 years now. That was her third Olympic gold medal. So she became the most decorated U.S. Alpine skier with the three golds, passing her Ted Ligeti and Andrea Meade Lawrence. So, you know, just wonderful. She did have some tough times in Beijing, didn't medal, fell a few times. Her start here wasn't terrible, but it wasn't up to her lofty expectations. Thought she'd have a medal in the new mixed team event with American downhill champion Breezy Johnson. And, you know, she finished just out of the medals. Giant slalom. Michaela could have also medaled. Came up a little bit short. So for her to nail down the slalom last night, or yesterday, I should say, and win by 1.5 seconds, McGraw, truly astounding. You know, it shows her talent. And just, you know, one last thing I think is important to point out. Of course, America and everyone judges a lot of these athletes just by the Olympic Games. You know, ski racing and, you know, even track and field in the summer maybe aren't household sports in the U.S., but Michaela has 107 World Cup wins, more than anyone, more than Lindsay, more than Ingemar Stenmark. And after the Olympics, she's well on course to win her sixth overall World Cup title and tie the legendary Austrian Anne-Marie Kroll. And the only reason I bring this up is because, you know, Michaela just dominates. So even if she didn't get that medal yesterday, for those who know ski racing, yeah, of course, it would have been disappointing. But her body of work, you know, year round, year in, year out on the World Cup circuit, it's absolutely phenomenal. And, you know, it's a little bit of a shame, as cool and amazing as the Olympics are, that maybe America doesn't pay attention enough to athletes like Michaela and Paula Molson when the Olympics aren't happening. Yeah, it's a tragedy because everybody loves to watch the ice skating. Everybody loves to watch the lose or the curling is huge. I mean, everybody's watching curling. You know, you watch it every four years and you say, why don't we watch this more often? But here's Brian. I wish they would have a civilian ski right before Michaela skis or somebody in the lose or somebody ice skates to see. Right. Because there's no comparison how brilliant these athletes are compared to the ordinary citizen. It's just it's lost on how great they are. Yeah. The speeds get higher and higher. And, you know, sports like bobsleigh and skeleton luge and, you know, the amount of tricks and twists and spins with, you know, ski and snowboard big air. It's just really on another level. and uh you know i think it was uh hans and franz on saturday night live many years ago joked about the winter sports athletes saying hey you know they go out and they play in the snow a little bit and they call it a sport well we're in here weight lifting well let me tell you something if you're standing at a bobsled track and you know if you go to park city or lake placid not so accessible for the united states and you see a four-man bobsled come past you at 85 miles per hour with you know eight nine hundred pounds of weight in there truly incredible obviously the same with with big air and aerials so uh yeah limits get pushed boundaries get pushed and uh you know nothing against amazing summer athletes but there's something uh about the speeds and danger on snow and ice brian pinelli with us you live in the dolomites and i i don't know what they're saying there but uh it's looking pretty good on the television sets here and so i think the dolomites in northern italy get a gold medal for putting these games on what do you think Well, maybe I'm a little biased, as you mentioned. Four, five years here now covering sports just outside of Cortina, Dompezzo. You know, they had the 1956 Olympics, so most people don't remember that. You know, I'm biased, but I think the most beautiful mountain region in the world. And glad that we got snow. It's been dumping here this afternoon once again. But let me tell you, McGraw, about three weeks ago, a week before the games, it was quite brown. And people were nervous. People were worried. And then, you know, fortunately it came. So whether you come in here for skiing or for the wine, the food, the scenery, it's a cool place with a lot of history of winter sports. Brian, we mentioned 11 Olympic cycles. You were with CBS Sports when they were in Lillehammer. How exciting was, I guess it would have been yesterday, with the Canadian Olympic team pulling it out and the U.S. team pulling it out? that's got to be one of the great days in Olympic history. Yeah, absolutely. You know, Canada and the U.S. obviously have been touted to get to the gold medal game. Obviously, that's in Santa Giulia Arena up in Milano, which is about four and a half, five hours from Cortina. So, you know, maybe the only small drawback is journalists and, you know, team officials. Not that it's not easy to move around, but, you know, it just takes time. But let me tell you something. And Canada and the U.S., everyone is excited for a gold medal game. It's not over yet. Finland tomorrow plays the U.S. in the semis. No one plays better team hockey than Finland. They always surprise on the ice. They're always counted out a little bit. So watch out for Finland. And an overachieving Slovakia team, you know, takes on Canada. And to be fair, Canada and the United States were on the ropes yesterday. The Czech Republic or Czechia now was leading Canada with a couple minutes left. You know, the U.S. had to go into overtime with Quinn Hughes scoring a clutch goal. So, you know, nothing is given. And those two teams are two countries in North America I don want to say they were lucky but they had big scares yesterday So I still consider this a 14 tournament heading into Sunday gold medal finale Are you insinuating that Finland wants payback for Lake Placid in 1980? Very good. Very good. Absolutely. You know, people forget the unbelievable victory over the Soviets with Mike Garruzzioni and Jim Craig. But the job wasn't done until they beat Finland on Sunday. And I've just been a big fan of the Finns. I mean, World Championships five years ago, in three of four days, they knocked off Sweden, our guy Henrik Lundqvist. They defeated Canada, and they defeated Russia with a team that only had three, four NHL stars. So that's going to be a tough one. It's going to be a tough one. Finland is the consummate team game. But obviously the U.S. has star power. Obviously, Canada and Sidney Crosby has star power. So, you know, we're going to head to a very exciting finale on Sunday. Maybe it's the U.S. and Canada, probably, but don't count on it 100%. Tell me about the ski mountaineering because that's a new one, and I was riveted by it. Tell me, how did that go over this year? Yeah, I'm glad you asked about that. It is a sport that I've covered quite extensively. You know, it's cool. It's fast-paced. Here in the Dolomites, Schemo is huge, but not the sprint format that they're using for the Olympics. And don't get me wrong, super cool, exciting, fast, fan-friendly. But the traditions of the sport are a race in Italy called the Trofeo Mezzolama, which dates back to the 1920s. And Trofeo Mezzolama means white marathon. So the traditions of the sport are, you know, these guys going five, six, seven, eight hours, you know, up into the vast altitude and over terrain. And, you know, they might add a longer distance race for 2030, the French Alps. So it's a start, you know, and it's the first new event, Schemo, in the Winter Olympics since, I believe, snowboarding in 98. Men's and women's competition happened today. Emily Harrop, the French champion, she was upset by a Swiss girl. a Spaniard one on the men's side and there's still the team relay to come on Saturday so I encourage everybody to check that out uh super cool event and I think the sport of Schemo both recreationally and as you know and in regards to competition is only going to grow as we head toward 2030 in France and and the Winter Olympics returning to Salt Lake City and Park City in 2034. Yeah so ski mountaineering right you you you don't take the ski lift up you you you ski up the mountain and then you you ski down the mountain right i mean it's a it's a round tripper correct correct and again super cool but the vertical gain on the sprint course is really only about 70 meters you know so uh and three phases you know climbing up on skins boot packing and skiing down so super cool but i know a lot of the athletes that i've spoken to really do hope There's a more traditional, longer-form race, you know, a 10K, a 15K in the French Alps in 2030. But, hey, you've got to start somewhere, right? Brian, I've got about two minutes left or so. What are you going to – I know it's not over with. We could still have our signature moment for these Olympics. But as of now, what's your memory? What's your takeaway? What's your one image that you will always cherish about these games? Wow, great question. I touch on a couple of athletes, if that's image. I mean, obviously, Michaela, what she did yesterday. One of the most amazing stories, in my opinion, probably the best story, arguably, of these games, is Italian skier Federica Brignone. You know, we talk about ski comebacks. She was injured badly in early April in the Italian National Championships. Two-time overall World Cup winner, so huge pedigree. But her battle to come back and be at the start line, everyone doubted her. And then she wins gold medals in the Super G and the Giant Slalom. So Federica Brignone is Italy's biggest hero. Sweet girl. Her mom was an Olympian and competed in Lake Placid in 1980. So, you know, everyone's supporting FEDA. And I think we should just definitely mention quickly Jordan Stolls. He's the heir apparent to Dan Jansen and Eric Heiden. He got beat today in the 1,500 meters by a Chinese skater, went up and hugged him. But prior to that, Jordan had two gold medals. So he has two gold, one silver, and the mass team event is coming. He could have four medals, shades of Eric Hyden, 1980. Yeah, anytime you're mentioned with the name Eric Hyden, that is rarefied air, even if you are sitting in the Italian Alps, that is for sure. Are we going to see you in the French Alps? Are you going to move to the French Alps now to get ready for the next Olympics? Oh, man, don't put any pressure on me. It could be hard to leave the Dolomites, as amazing as the French Alps are. And, you know, my friends back in Park City, shout out to them. Say, hey, you know, will you get back to Park City in 34? But, you know, McGraw, just going to work hard for a couple more days, enjoy some wine and skiing, and, you know, figure that out somewhere down the road. It's not a bad place to be. So if you get out here, man, I'll take you powder skiing. Brian Panini, don't ask me twice because we've already been talking about how we want to fit in northern Italy into our plans. It's been a it's a travel agent's dream to go see some of those sites. Twenty five years. He's been doing it. Eleven Olympic cycles. He's Brian Panini. He is considered one of the preeminent American voices when it comes to the Winter Games. And as he said, this is in his hometown. So Brian. Hey, McGraw. Yes, yes. McGraw, can I briefly give you a slight hard time? Panini would be the Italian sandwich here that everyone eats on the streets of Cortina. Panelli is my last name, if you don't mind me letting you know. Brian Panelli. Brian, how do people get a hold of you? Do you have a Twitter or a Facebook candle or anything, website? Instagram, brian.panelli, and some nice behind-the-scenes video of Michaela Schifrin and spraying the Austrians with champagne last night at Austria House. So follow me at Brian.Panelli Instagram, and let's talk again soon, sir. Well, I owe you a panini for Brian Panelli when I see you in northern Italy. Be safe. Safe travels. Thanks for checking in, and we'll talk to you down the road. Thanks, Brian. Grazie mille. 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I was minding my own business the other day, and I stumbled across an article on The Hill written by our next guest. He's a four-star Admiral Michael Rogers, U.S. Navy, retired. And he worked as a commander for U.S. Cyber Command and director of the National Security Agency. Admiral Michael Rogers, welcome to America at Night. Hey, great to be with you. And again, remember, those NSA and Cyber Command jobs, that was when I was in the military, but I'm retired. Okay, good. All right. So you wrote an article in The Hill, and the title is America is Dangerously Unprepared for a GPS Attack. We worry about everything else. Now we have to worry about GPS. What do you mean? I'm not going to be able to figure out how to go to the supermarket. Why is this such a big deal? Well, remember, first, remember what GPS, the global positioning system, does, both for our military, which it was originally designed for, but more broadly, our entire nation in terms of our personal use as well as the way companies use it. The GPS system provides precise location data as well as precise timing. And you might think, well, hey, there's lots of ways to get locational data, and there's lots of ways to figure out what time it is. The challenge is many of our activities, from the way we operate vehicles remotely to the way we do precision-guided munitions in the military, to the way we use our handheld devices to get from point A to point B, they are all underpinned by the GPS system, by this idea that we can translate time and location down to a set of activities that actually benefit us every day in our life, to include simple things like, hey, I'm going to use an app and figure out how I'm going to get from point A to point B. But I would think if something that important would be pretty buttoned up and pretty hard to get to and or hack. Well, remember, first of all, the system, it's been fully operational now for about 30 years. But when it was first designed in the late 70s and in the early 80s, it was designed in a time in which we thought space, for example, was relatively benign. No threats to satellites on orbit. Who would want to disrupt applications of time and location? Isn't that in everybody's best interest? And yet, as we see in cybersecurity, the world has a lot more vulnerability. The world has a lot more actors out there attempting to disrupt than we anticipated when we created those systems. And the environment in which GPS now operates and is so important is so totally different from the world in which it was originally designed and created. Okay, so let's talk about who's got the capabilities. Are there nation states like Russia and China who have the capability, or can it be some crazy person in a robe in their grandparents' basement? Sadly, it can be a spectrum, all of those. And when we think about, so what are the vulnerabilities that you can operate against GPS to try to defeat it so you don't get precise timing, you don't get precise location? You can jam the signal, but your device just can't read it, can't access it. You can spoof it, so you convince your device that you're actually somewhere else than you really are, or that it's not actually the time that you think it is. You can do attacks against the satellites on orbit, either through energy, like jamming, cyber, attempting to disrupt the programs and the networks that actually operate the satellites. You can go after the control systems on the ground because, remember, those satellites have to be operated. They have to be overseen. They have to be maintained. So that requires ground action to do much of that. You're seeing nations, Russia, China in particular, trying to put capabilities on orbit in the form of satellites that are actually designed to defeat or destroy other satellites like GPS. Yes. And we've seen this sort of jamming, spoofing disruption. You've seen it in places like Ukraine and Iran wars. But you've also seen it, as I tried to highlight in the article, you have seen, for example, jamming around the Denver and Dallas airports in the U.S. within the last year. What do you mean? Like people like brought a jamming device to the airport? And what is likely is that wasn't nation state activity. That was either unintended interference or someone decided they just wanted to try to disrupt aviation activity because aviation is interesting. Because remember, one of the reasons that we are able to put so many airplanes into such close airspace, I mean, numbers that 20 years ago, 30 years ago, we would have thought were impossible. We're able to do that both because we have radar, so we physically get a paint when the aircraft are close to the airport, but also because through GPS, we're able to generate exact knowledge on where the plane is. So because we have confidence in the locational information, that means we can put a lot more aircraft into a much smaller airspace. You mentioned in this article commerce breaking down, emergency coordination collapsing, right? Supply chain issues, right? I mean, that's what you're talking about. If you can't get the lettuce to the store on time, that's all GPS these days. Because this is so vital to our economy, can I hope that somebody somewhere has got a backup system or some type of fail-safe if something goes down? So that's one of the challenges here. When we created this system, we were so competent in its capabilities, and so we just didn't think that there would be attempts to disrupt it significantly that we didn't create a backup to it. Now, we have upgraded the system. We're now on GPS 3, the third version, if you will, of this. But I would argue GPS 3 is just finishing out its rebuild, if you will. But I would argue that the rebuild really only made improvements around the margins. It didn't fundamentally change or it didn't fundamentally overcome some of the foundational vulnerabilities in the system. Put another way, if we were designing this system from the ground up today, this isn't exactly what we would have created. So we're talking about some military attacks in Iran, and Iran is, right, and we've used cyber attacks apparently in Venezuela. We're talking about cyber attacks in other places, maybe even Iran. If we can do it to Iran, Iran can do it to us. And so is this one of the things you're looking at in terms of the next couple of days or weeks with Iran? I mean, how realistic is it to say that they could sort of take out our GPS system? So we have seen GPS disruption, GPS jamming. So, for example, if you're the Iranians and you think the Americans are going to be doing strikes into Iran and you think the Americans are going to be using GPS both to precisely locate their aircraft as they come in and out of the country, as well as they're going to use GPS to actually update the positioning of many of their precision missiles so that they hit the specific target, the specific location at the specific time that's desired. You could potentially see the Iranians, for example, attempting to disrupt GPS coverage over Iran so that the Americans, the Israelis, others who might be, you know, can't use it. Oh, right. So they wouldn't have to disrupt ours. They would just have to disrupt theirs. Right. Because the way the coverage works, it's over whatever physical location you're trying to use it in. So they would jam their own system. Therefore, we couldn't use it. It's not their system. They would attempt to jam the coverage of the U.S. GPS system that's provided in Iran. Yeah. You know, you think about this, you think about, you know, life changing situations like bombing Iran or something, but also like VPN. Right. I mean, my MLB app thinks I'm a Braves fan for some reason. It thinks I live in Atlanta and I hate the Braves. I don't know why, but but I can't get them to switch it to anything else other than the Braves. Can you help me with that? Well, there's other reasons for that other than GPS. But without a functioning GPS, if you are using your device to do something that's based on precise physical location, like get a pizza, like move from point A to point B, like get a Lyft or an Uber, it starts to materially impact the ability to actually do those things if you lose precision location and timing. So four-star Admiral Michael Rogers with us. He wrote an interesting article in The Hill about America is dangerously unprepared for a GPS attack. Recently, we had skiers who were lost in an avalanche, and they didn't have any cell phone service. They didn't have any Wi-Fi. They didn't have any Bluetooth. They didn't have any 5G. But they were able to connect to a satellite phone, and they were able to be saved. So how is it that nothing worked? Their phone wasn't connected at all, and yet they were able to sort of use satellite phones with a phone that wasn't connected at all. Because, remember, your phone Wi-Fi run off terrestrial towers. It appears they happen to be an area where there wasn't extensive tower coverage. A satellite phone doesn't use terrestrial coverage. It links directly to a satellite above you. That's how they're able to do it. So even though you're off the grid, you're never really off the grid. Right. Well, you're just accessing the grid broadly in a different way. Instead of using the terrestrial framework like 5G towers, you know, cell phone towers, you're instead doing it by going up directly to a cell phone. It's one of the reasons why you have Starlink as an example in denied areas where the government, for example, in Iran, where the government tries to shut down terrestrial infrastructure like the Internet, cell towers. And so one of the ways you try to overcome that or bypass it is through satellite communication links that let you bypass that terrestrial capability and go right on orbit. Yeah. As somebody who has somebody like you who has sat as director of the National Security Agency and part of the U.S. Cyber Command, writing an article like this on the Hill, what's what's the reaction been? Well, first of all, look, I'm not trying to throw stones at anybody. I'm trying to say, look, we have a situation where we have created a significant dependency. And that dependency, precise timing and location through the global positioning system, that dependency has vulnerabilities that we have not been able to mitigate. Therefore, what the article tries to argue is we need to look at backups and redundancy. Is there an alternative methodology to get that precise timing and locational information to users, whether they be military, commercial, civilians in our everyday life? And what the article tried to argue was we do have existing infrastructure on the ground that we could perhaps use as a component of the solution. So the technology exists. We just have to have the will to do it. A combination of we have to allocate the frequency to do this. That's what the FCC does. We have to get a partnership with the owners and operators of those towers. This clearly takes money. I'm the first to admit that. But look, the GPS system, those satellites on orbit, the ground stations that control them, the receivers that we've created for users, There are hundreds of billions of dollars invested in all that, if not more. We're not going to walk away from that, and we're not going to also replace it overnight. So I was trying to argue, rather than just replace all this, which would be way too expensive and take way too much time, is there an alternative where we could provide a backup capability that would use existing infrastructure and save us a lot of money and a lot of time? Admiral Michael Rogers, an opinion contributor to The Hill. America is dangerously unprepared for a GPS attack. Well worth the read. Admiral, thank you very much for your time. Good luck down the road. Thanks, McGraw. You have a great day. You got it. Good stuff. America at Night, back in a moment. Relax. You're listening to America at Night with McGraw-Millhaven. Adidas for the Adidas. Adidas for the Thank you Welcome to America at Night with McGraw All right, every Thursday we're checking in with Bill Clevelin. He is our roving correspondent. Of course, the website says it all, BillOnTheRoad.com. And, Bill Clevin, welcome back to America at Night. Thanks, my brother. Good to be with you. When last we left you, you were in your pajamas trying to get back into your hotel room because you had locked yourself out of the room. Luckily, you're back in and things are fine now, right? There's no controversy this week, is there? Well, I mean, if you want to, honestly, God truth, I am in my pajamas as we talk. Does that mean anything to anybody? I don't know. I told you. I'm actually – go ahead. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I was going to say I'm at an Airbnb right now in Baldwin Park, California, and I've always been – it's just kind of amusing over the years. I do broadcasts like this, and no one has a clue that I'm in their upstairs bedroom talking to millions of people all over the country, down there doing dishes and stuff, and here's a complete stranger upstairs talking to the world on the radio. It's just so funny that that's what's going on right now. So anyway, sorry about that. No, no, no, that's quite all right. So you're in an Airbnb. Are you borrowing the guy's room, or do you have the whole abode to yourself? No, you know what I do. So I'm single, right? I don't have any kids. I don't have a wife. I live pretty simply. And so in between, you know, when I'm working in destinations and working with these tourism offices, a lot of times what I'll do is I'll get an Airbnb, but I just get a room. So you can rent a room in someone's home, and it's dirt cheap. And generally speaking, they're nice, clean, comfortable, and safe. And so that's what I'm doing tonight. I'm literally right around the corner from the original location of In-N-Out, if you know the In-N-Out. Oh, yeah. Kind of a little trivia there. All right. Well, we'll get to some of that a little bit later on if we have time. So where is the original In-N-Out Burger location? Oh, Baldwin Park, California. It was right down. Now, the original location is gone because the freeway went in, so they had to tear it down. But they built this really cool little replica, basically catty-cornered to where the original was. And it's the exact same size as the original was. And you can go – I mean, it is tiny, McGraw. It is a tiny, tiny place. And I think it was the first restaurant with a drive-thru in all of California. Don't quote me on that, but I think that's the case. So kind of cool. Growing up in St. Louis, you've had a White Castle, and I'm assuming you had an In-N-Out burger. Which is better? Yeah. Oh, In-N-Out. I'm not a fan of White Castle. White Castle originally from Wichita, Kansas, by the way. Did you know that? This will be Bill Coven's last segment on the show. You keep that, Melvin, White Castle like that. Oh, thank God. I've been trying to kick off for eight weeks. No, I'm just not a fan of White Castle. I've never heard of White Castle. All right. So your big trip this week was you went up Pacific Coast Highway? Yeah, it's one of my favorite drives in the entire country, the Pacific Coast Highway. Highway 1, in particular, through California. And so this week I was in a town called San Simeon. So it's kind of the gateway to Big Sur, if you know what that is. It's this 90-mile stretch of the coastline that runs from San Simeon all the way up to Carmel, California, and known for these just beautiful, dramatic cliffs. And you've got the redwood trees and, of course, the rest of Highway 1. And I've never spent any time in San Simeon, and so I decided to do that. And just a really cool area. And the one thing, we'll talk about a handful of things I did while I was there, but the biggest thing was going to Hearst Castle. Have you ever heard of Hearst Castle? Yeah, this is not the famous Citizen Kane castle, right? Oh, I don't know about that. It's William Hearst who was the – William Hearst who was supposed to be Citizen Kane. That was the whole take on the whole movie. I'll be honest, I've never seen it. Well, now you have to see the movie. Because, well, you know, my castle, I guess. No, look, I don't want to take away from from the Hearst Castle, but William Randolph Hearst, right? The Hearst Castle. Yeah. Hearst Hearst newspapers. And was George Foster Kane in Citizen Kane. And that was where the whole thing came from. So there you go. So I will shut up. Tell me about that. Tell me about. I didn't know. I didn't know. Orson, it's Orson Welles' masterpiece, Citizen Kane, and it's a takeoff on William Randolph Hearst. Okay, cool. Yeah. No, no, I've heard of a movie I just haven't seen. Yeah, I hear you. So tell me about the castle. Yeah, it's unbelievable. So you get there to this visitor center, and you hop on a bus, and they take you up to this huge hilltop, right? And so I don't know how many miles it is up to the top, but as you're going all the way up there, And you look and you can see this big mansion, you know, this castle up on the hill. And you learn later on that, you know, they had to, like, build a road to bring all this, you know, material up the hill to build this monstrosity. So that's pretty cool. And then so the house itself or the mansion, it's 165 rooms. And it took them 30 years to build this thing. and what's really funny with Grosby is we all get off the bus and you walk up, you know, a couple of sets of steps and then there's this just beautiful building and you're overlooking the Pacific Ocean and, you know, there's probably 30 people on our tour and people are taking selfies and they're taking the photos and the touring guy goes, yeah, this is a guest house. This is in the Hearst Castle. And so he told a little bit about it. He's like, Walt Disney has stayed here and a lot of different celebrities of the day would stay in the home. And there were other guest houses on the property. And so they have several tours that you can go through, maybe seven or eight different tours, because you cannot possibly see the entire place in one tour. the tour that I took was I think only like seven rooms and they were gigantic so you go you're in like his dining room um like a formal dining room and this table it just went on and on and on he'd have these dinner parties uh William Hurst would and he'd just invite all these people and and they'd all be sitting like this was huge long table and um he'd go through the billiards uh room and he had a big movie theater and the pool. Oh, my God. The indoor pool and the outdoor pool. I'd never seen anything like it in my life. But I saw like seven rooms. And I asked the guy, well, how many rooms? He goes, 165. I was like, how does somebody see this in a day? You can't, you know. And so what they do is on other tours you can take because the rooms like upstairs, you know, the upper floors, they're smaller. So you can see more of those, but for the more intimate tours, you would do those with, you know, five, ten people, something like that. But it was really interesting to learn about the guy. It was interesting. He hated drunk people. So, like, if you came to one of his parties and got drunk, they'd kick you out. Like, he did not like that. He liked conversing with people and hearing different stories. And I guess he would use some of those stories in his various newspapers that he owned. But I'd always heard of the Hearst Castle, and I'm sure I drove past it a handful of times while I was traveling on the Pacific Coast Highway. And I'm so glad that I stopped this time to take the tour because it was really, really cool. Yeah, you know, you really need to do yourself a favor and go see Citizen Kane because after going to see the castle. I'll appreciate it more. You'll appreciate it so much more, not to mention you now know more about William Randolph Hearst. And, of course, Patty Hearst, right? You've heard your granddaughter. Yeah, Patty Hearst was the granddaughter. Did they talk about that at all on the tour? Other than at the end, a few people asked the question, you know, Patty Hearst, and so it was his granddaughter. But, no, they didn't really cover her too much. Yeah, so it's just a museum now? Is it functioning in any way as a family residence of any kind? So it's like a California state park, if I understand correctly. And so they charged an admission. It was pretty reasonable, I think, like $30 or something to take a tour. Like I said, they had a handful of different tours you can take. And so, yeah, you show up, you get on a bus at the visitor center. They take you up the hill to the home. No one lives there anymore. But it's, I mean, yeah, it is unbelievable. There's nothing like it. The only thing I can compare it to was the Biltmore, because I've been to the Biltmore in North Carolina. Yeah. But it's a different different type of home. Yeah. Very interesting. All made from newspaper money. Right. Newspapers. He owned radio stations. He had film companies and the company. It's still around. You know, they do a bunch of stuff still in. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. Exactly. No newspaper. And then apparently like he would have to have a copy of each of his newspapers every single day brought to him. And he would read through them all, and he was very hands-on. But from what I understood, he was a pretty decent guy. Yeah, pretty neat deal. All right, yeah, no, a must-see. You know what, that's, yeah, no, it sounds pretty exciting. Some of the pictures online, that indoor pool is crazy until you see the outdoor pool. Yes, yes, it's unbelievable. And it apparently, and I don't want to spend the whole time talking about Hearst Castle, But apparently he also would like change his mind a lot. So the architect, as a female architect, I can't remember her name, but she did a lot of cool stuff, a lot of cool projects. But, you know, so they would be working on something. And, again, you have to remember they're bringing all this material up this gigantic hill, you know, miles and miles up this hill. And he would change his mind on stuff so they'd have to like knock down walls and do whatever. But, you know, it took them 30 years and got it done. They should have turned it into an Airbnb and you could have stayed there for the night. Yeah, I bet I couldn't afford that Airbnb. But it's a cool stop on Highway 1. So, again, the Pacific Coast Highway, it is just so beautiful. Now, the best way to do the Pacific Coast Highway is heading south so that as a driver you see the ocean and you can see some of these, you know, the cliffs or whatever. But it's just a really great stretch of road. And technically it runs all the way up, you know, obviously the coast of California, with some exceptions. You're not on the coast, you know, proper the entire time. And it's not always open either. So that was really cool that I was there when it was open because, you know, they have landslides and parts of the road collapse from the weather and everything. So it was open all the way, which was great. So I got to do the entire highway this time. And, yeah, San Samuel was really cool. Like a lot of these, I stayed in a place called the Cavalier Oceanfront Resort. It sounds like way more swanky than it really is. It was a really nice place, but it was real, you know, it was affordable. You can get, you're right on the water. Had a really cool restaurant on site. and then you're also near Cambria. You've probably heard of Cambria. That's there, the cool little downtown area. And then one thing I have to mention that a lot of people do, it's kind of a handful of stops along the highway that everybody makes when they do this trek. And one of them is a place to see elephant seals. Do you know what these are? Have you seen an elephant seal? I have not seen an elephant seal. Okay. While we're talking, you have to Google elephant seal. These are – so, you know, you've heard the phrase, a face only a mother could love. That's what they said. It's like an elephant and a seal. But they're very fascinating, and there's this stretch of Highway 1 in San Simeon where they will – they come in, and I can't remember how many thousands of these elephant seals there are in the area, in the waters, But they'll come up and they mate and then they give birth there. And I got to tell you, it's one of those things like almost like a train wreck. Like you don't really want to watch these things mating, but it's so bizarre that you almost – it's hard to like look away. It was so strange. And then, you know, everybody's got their cameras out. And I'm like, you know what you're taking a picture of here, right? Like you know what's going on down there. Do you not hear the sound? Oh, my God. It was so bizarre. But you have to look up what an – maybe it's just me. Maybe other people think they're adorable. I did not think they were adorable. But I did think they were interesting, and you have to stop and check that out. And they also have signs on the beach that say, seals resting, do not disturb. So at least they give them room to do what they've got to do. Yeah, well, they don't want people – that's right. I was thinking somebody should be playing some of that dirty music that they have. Bow-chicka-bow-wow, chicka-chicka-chicka-bow-wow. But that's what they're doing. And I thought, I don't want to watch this, but I also can't stop looking. You know, Mother Nature is a beautiful thing. Hey, why do you want to go south on Highway 1 and not north? So when you're heading north, you're on the cliff side. You're closest to, like, the rocks. Yeah, yeah. So when you're going back down south, you're much closer. But – and I should say it's also hard to – because they have a lot of pull-off areas where you can pull off and take a photo or really kind of take in the views and things like that. It's really more difficult to pull off when you're heading north because these people drive like maniacs up there. There was a guy – this has nothing to do with San Simeon, and this was way north of San Simeon, but somebody drove off the dang cliff while I was out there. It was a big news story up near Monterey. Somebody had just went off the cliff, and I was like, oh, I can see how that happened because people drive like crazy people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is amazing. It's an amazing, amazing stretch of highway. All right. Pacific Coast Highway, Bill, on the road. You got stuff on your website and Facebook and stuff? People can check it out? I've done a lot of photos on Facebook, folks have checked it out. I haven't had a chance to do any articles yet, but I'll get those up the next couple of weeks for some little fun facts and some tidbits for folks who want to go to San Simeon. But, yeah, it's a great spot. All right. Hearst Castle, put that on the list of things to do next time you're in California. Bill Clevelin, Bill on the Road, go to sleep. Thanks for checking in. We'll talk to you next Thursday. Thanks, my friend. All right. Thanks. See you later. You got it. Bill on the Road, BillOnTheRoad.com. Hearst Castle. Yeah, you've got to go see Bill's a little younger than I am, but Citizen Kane. It's a great movie. I don't know if you've seen it, but it is a great movie. And a lot of cinematic firsts with Orson Welles and Citizen Kane. And, of course, Rosebud. Back in a moment, America at Night. 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It looks like Congress is not going to invoke the War Powers Act. It doesn't look like there are enough people to sort of stop them. Not that it's binding anyway. It would be a non-binding War Powers vote. But it looks like they are going to sit by and let President Trump do what he's going to do. Wall Street Journal story this night that tonight that there seems to be some type of I don't think they've officially agreed on anything, but he is contemplating some type of limited strikes. If that's what you would call it, limited strikes in Iran so that the Ayatollahs would see that Trump is serious. Right. If you threaten and you threaten and you don't. If you threaten and you threaten and then you show your hand. Right. At some point, if you continue to threaten, you have to then go in. And we said this last night, but I'll say it again. You know, you have much more power or much more of a threat with the bullet in the gun. Once the bullets have been shot. Right. You have nothing to threaten anymore. We're already bombing you. So it's a dangerous time right now in the world. Let's go to the phones here. Paul in Boise, thanks for holding on. Welcome to America at Night. Thanks for taking my call. You betcha. I was pretty surprised this morning. I was up real early and saw kind of the whole thing fall into place. I didn't feel sorry for the guy. I think that there's a possibility that justice could be served one way or another. You know, he had given that young lady that he had intimate carnal knowledge with Epstein's Island, and she ended up committing suicide. well she did she she ended up committing suicide she she alleges all sorts of things he denies it completely uh says that it never happened you know who knows what happened but in terms of justice being served he wasn't arrested for that he was arrested apparently for for giving state secrets state trade secrets to epstein which is interesting right the sex part the sex part we're not going to arrest you for. But, hey, double dealing, we're going to get you. Yeah, he wasn't supposed to give anything like that away. I don't think MI5 would have appreciated that too much. But, I mean, what is that message? What kind of message does that send? That the men aren't getting arrested for the allegations of, you know, inappropriate behavior with women. They're getting arrested for inappropriate behavior because they were giving away state secrets, which could hurt the finances of other rich people. So, right? I mean, it's the Patriots, right? The New England Patriots were punished by the league for spying on other teams, for deflating the football, right, for all sorts of cheating allegations. But they weren't penalized when Robert Kraft was found in an Asian day spa right before the AFC championship game, right? So you get criticized and penalized for, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're trying to cheat in the game of football. That ain't allowed. We've got to punish you for that, right? Inappropriate behavior bringing scorn to the NFL because you're going to an Asian day spa where there are sex trade workers there. Don't do that again, right? So what we punish people for in this country is very interesting. well yeah and i think it's a lot more serious than he would have gotten uh and and did something with him and that's that's in europe that's not even here right you got the guy you got the guy who is uh you know the head of victoria's secret saying i didn't do anything okay well you know we're they're not going down in america the way they're going down in europe for whatever reason yeah he He got caught double dealing. They let him slide on the children that he did. Paul, thanks for the phone call. This Epstein story is one of the most bizarre stories, and every time you turn around, there's another more bizarre angle to the whole thing. It just, the more you scratch the surface of this story, the more you dig into it, the less it makes sense to me. And I wasn't even an Epstein. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. But you just can't deny the double standard, right? They arrest Prince Harry, and what do we do? We're putting Hillary in a deposition in private. Why is that private? It should be public. Like, Clinton's wanted public. Why deny the public the right to know? Why continue to hide the files? It kind of doesn't make any sense. Catherine in Vancouver, welcome to America at Night. You know, in the 70s, our parents didn't threaten us. They just blew us outside in the snow. It was a blizzard outside. And we were Olympics going down the hills, you know, with our toboggans. Yeah. And I would use a garbage lid at the schoolyard because it had this huge hill. It didn't have one of those crazy carpets. So going down, all of us kids would be at the bottom of the hill all beat up. You know, we didn't care. We weren't snowflakes. We didn need those GPS SOS beacons We always found our way home We were tough Did you guys have those things? We did not have the GPS beacon on our gloves. We had our gloves clipped to our sleeves. We did not have the GPS beacons. No, those crazy carpets. Yeah, and we didn't have it on our luggage when we went. We didn't have it in our book bag. I get it's a different world. And there is something to be said for being safe and to know where your child is with the GPS trackers and everything else. But in some ways, we were sort of left to our own devices. And when you left, when you were in junior high to go play in the summer, you were responsible for showing up at dinner at 6, right? Be back at 6 or else. And so you figured out a way to get back at 6, right? Yeah. Right? You figured out a way. I don't know how the kids today, they have so many more advantages, but they can't, you know, they're sort of neutered. They can't function without, you know, parents going to their job interviews, parents moving in with them in their college dorms, right? I don't know how these kids today function. We, you know, they said, you know, leave at 9 and be back at 6 or else. And we figured out how to get back. Yeah. We were pretty tough. Yes, we were. It was good that you made it. Yeah, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Stay right there. We've got lots more to get to. Gil in San Antonio. Tony in Montreal. I want to talk to him about that hockey game tonight. Plus, we've got a bunch of text messages coming in. We'll get to those here in just a minute. Call or text. We love it. We love new callers. We love first-time callers. Love, love, love first-time callers. So don't be afraid. Don't be shy. Just remember, when I was listening to this show, when Larry King and Jim Bohannon were hosting, I tried to call in, but I was too nervous. Imagine that, right? Then someday you grow up and you end up hosting the show. So please, don't be nervous. Don't let your fears ruin your life. Go. Call up. 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Yeah, that one's, so what, the Republican was having an affair with one of his staff members. she ends up committing suicide, and now his opponent is trying to use that or bringing that up in the campaign? Yes, not only that. The husband of the woman who committed suicide, they have an email where his lawyer was demanding $350,000 for a confidentiality agreement. a la Stormy Daniels. But you like this one. We've talked before about Henry Cuellar. His opponent is also a former Major League Baseball player. Right, yeah. This is the one. This is the guy who was a Democrat who was pardoned by Trump and is now staying a Democrat. Yes, but his opponent, the Republican, is a former Major League Baseball player. He played for the... Played for the Rangers and played for the Yankees, right? Mark Teixeira? Yeah, no, that's... He's running for an empty seat. Oh, okay. Henry Cuellar is running against another baseball player. Oh, who's he running against? His name is Antonio Renteria, known as Antonio Renteria. He played for the Milwaukee organization. He's not old enough to have played for the Braves. He played for the Brewers. just a few seasons he was a pitcher no impressive stats but he didn't make it to the majors so I thought that you being a baseball player in college you you know you described a situation where some parents tried to get you to turn their dork into a baseball player? Yes, yes. Yeah, well, growing up, I was that dork. I wasn't very well coordinated. By the way, those are your words, not mine. I didn't say that. No. The young lad was of limited skills, so let's just put it that way. Okay. Well, So you didn't name his name, so no harm is done. No harm is done. But I was pretty much like that growing up. But I had an older brother who played in the minors. Do you know the Cape Cod League? Yes, I do very well. New England? Yeah. New England? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he played for Falmouth, and he got a job at Charles Fizer because they had a company baseball team, and he quit high school at 17 to go to work for Fizer so he could be their pitcher. Look, Gil, that's a great story. That Cape Cod Baseball League is a very, very famous baseball league. It's a wooden bat league, and you've got to be really good to go play in that Cape Cod Baseball League. So he worked for Pfizer because he was a good baseball player and he got a job with Pfizer? Yeah. And they let it because Cape Cod only has a 50-game season. Yeah, it's a summer league. Yeah, it's a summer league. And so he could get time off of his Pfizer job to go and play for Falmouth. How about that? That's a great story. Yeah. Hey, Gil, thanks for the phone call. Appreciate it. Yeah. Good stuff. Hey, Tony and Scott, hold that thoughts. We'll get to that. Remind me, Gil, I don't have time right now because I got a break for bottom of the hour. But remind me to tell you the story of my grandfather. My grandfather played college baseball back a long time ago. He played for Fordham University, and I believe the statute of limitations has lapsed, so I will be able to tell that story someday. So put that on the list of stories to tell about my grandfather, Richard McGuire, who played baseball for Fordham University. All right. Scott in St. Louis, Tony in Montreal. Got to get to the text, too. We got tons of texts coming in tonight. 1-844-2-MGRAH 1-844-262-4729 By the way, you can text in snarky comments as well. The snarkier, the better. I like snark comments. It's always a lot of fun. America at Night, back in a moment. Stay right there. This is America at Night with McGraw-Milhaven. Join the conversation. Call 844-2-MGRAW. America at Night with McGraw-Millhaven. All right, back to phones we go. Scott in St. Louis. Scott, welcome to America at Night. Hello. Yeah, the trade deficit went up in December. So the tariffs are not working. Factory jobs are flat. The Supreme Court, they'd be doing Trump a favor by getting rid of the tariffs. The trade deficit went up. American manufacturers have cut more than 80,000 jobs in this past year. The high tariffs aren't working. The trade deficit, all they're doing is the trade deficit from China has, I guess, gone down, but they're just rerouting the goods through Vietnam and other countries. So we're exporting less. Excuse me. We're exporting less. We're importing more. The opposite effect of what the tariffs were supposed to do. So, yeah, you're right. According to this latest report from the Census Bureau, the overall trade deficit not doing what President Trump wanted it to do. Yeah, and if Iran, if they happen to sink one of our ships, if they really are able to do that, the price of oil is going to skyrocket. I mean, gas is going to go up to $10, $15 a gallon. Well, hold on a second. Hold on, hold on, hold on a second. I'm not so sure you're right on that because there are maybe 10, 15, 20 years ago. First of all, I think $10 a gallon is a little excessive. But will it go up? Yeah, probably. But America is producing a lot of oil itself. So there are other avenues to get the oil than from the Strait of Hormuz. Now, take that out of the world markets, and, yeah, it's going to have an effect. Don't get me wrong. But the fact that the United States produces quite a bit of oil themselves should mitigate some of that. I don't think it will go to $10. Will it go to $4? Maybe. Yeah, right? Will it go to $5? Probably not, but it will go up. I agree with that. Okay, continue. Well, Saudi Arabia basically with OPEC decides what the price of oil is because they have – I mean, Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia, but it's the crude kind of oil that is very hard to refine. Saudi Arabia has the sweet oil, and they have more reserves than anybody else in the world. And the Persian Gulf is right there by Saudi Arabia. So if you cut that off, if Iran is able to cut that off, I think you're talking $10 a gallon. You know, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. But, I mean, yeah, even though we do make a lot of oil, Saudi Arabia is still the main. That's why we let the Saudi prince murder whoever he murdered, because that's the blood of capitalism right there. Well, look, I'll say this. Don't don't think for one second that the Supreme Court is going to save Donald Trump from Donald Trump, because if they if if they rule that these tariffs are unconstitutional, the administration is all ready to lay out six or seven other different reasons and other different sections and other different trade acts and other different issues as to why they will be able to put tariffs on it. So don't think for one second the Trump administration is going to all of a sudden hear the Supreme Court if they choose to rule against this administration and say, oh, okay, no more tariffs. The Trump administration is going to come right back with some obscure rule from 1974, from 1962, from 1895, whatever it is, and they're going to justify it and claim it's legal. And then you're going to start this process all over again. So the Supreme Court, liberals and people who think that somehow the Supreme Court is going to save America from itself, that ship has sailed. The Supreme Court is not going to save Donald Trump from himself. Yeah, you might be right. I don't think, I think that whatever Trump does, it's not going to work. Well, okay. Scott, Scott, what did you just say? I missed it. Did you say I was right? Did you think, did you say that? Yeah, you're right a lot, man. My headphones cut out there for a second. I just wanted to make sure I heard that correctly. Scott in St. Louis. You're right a lot. Yeah, thank you for the phone call. I appreciate it. Have a good night. You got it. Tony in Montreal, welcome to America Night. I love being at the tail end of the caboose into this train, man. It's unbelievable. Here I want to talk about aliens and Trump and racists, and now you got me on another tangent talking about tariffs. But, you know, like, don't you think, like, Trump's a real racist? Like, he's going to let the alien files go free, but he's not going to let the Epstein files go free. He's obviously a racist in favor of the aliens. You know, let's call a spade a spade. He's not a racist. He's an alienist. He's an alienist. You know, he's favoring the aliens, so we can call him an alienist, and then the left can call him a racist because he covers an alien. It is bizarre that they're going to release all of the alien files, but not all the Epstein files. Hey, listen, it gives you guys a lot to talk about down in the States. You're right. McGraw, the Canadian boys up here, we're just laughing. We've got all kinds of aliens up here, but nobody talks about them. They just leave them in the forest, and that's about it. I love it. You guys make money out of this, you know. You've got that Bermuda Triangle, and you've got the other part of the United States. Never a dull moment. People ask me all the time, what do you talk about? It's like, what don't I talk about? The whole world. We talk about the whole world here at night. Hey, what about – can we talk about that hockey game today? Yeah. Are you licking your wounds? Are you over it? Are you proud of your girls? What are you thinking? Well, the other night I told you that we had lost something like 10 straight games to the American girls. And the Canadian girls had won, I believe, four gold medals, whether it's world championships or Olympics. And this time the Americans won. So, I mean, you know, you can't feel bad out of five championships, whether it's world or Olympics. I believe Canada's won four of five. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt. I mean, those women that played today, I read about it. And Marie Poulain, the captain, was also injured pretty seriously. She missed two games. And, in fact, she went to Cooper Academy, which is the school my kids went in Kirkland, Quebec. And she was a star out here in part of Montreal, the west end of Montreal. And she represented our country very well. She's 34, and they say she's about retired now. But it's funny that the two Canadian captains, both Crosby and Fulain, were injured in this tournament. It just goes to show you that those millionaire and billionaire owners were quite right, that they were afraid that their stars would be injured. And trust me, the injury to Crosby, I think it's a serious injury. I saw the way his knee was bent. I would think that it's a ripped cartilage. So hold on. Is he not going to play now for the rest of the tournament? Is he officially out? There's something about Crosby and his mentality to play through pain. They say he's one of these incredible athletes, mind over matter. Nobody is talking about him, but John Cooper, the head coach, said it's a serious injury. So we don't know. Everyone's holding their breath. It's bated breath. But as to the Americans, kudos to the Americans. But isn't that wonderful that the two great countries of Canada and the United States, again, are fighting for the premissive of a sporting gold medal, which is hockey. And the Four Nations Cup, again, was the two great nations of Canada and the United States. But remember one thing. As an athlete, you always want to play, and you're a baseball player and I was a hockey player, you want to play against the best competition because the best competition makes you a lot better as an athlete and a lot better as a competitor. So you don't want to play weak. You want to play the best. And when Canada and the United States plays in hockey, they're the two top teams. Right now, Russia's out of it. We can't wish them in. They're out. That's politics. But, you know, the other teams are – McGraw, the other women's teams are not sloaches either. No, no. Well, as a matter of fact, they're talking Finland is a pretty good team. And if the U.S. isn't careful, you know, this is not a cakewalk. This isn't a done deal, this U.S.-Canada final. So, I mean, it could go sideways any number of ways. Finland's supposed to be a pretty good team. The top-notch nations, I would say, in the world are Russia, Finland, Sweden, Canada, U.S. That's in any hockey, whether it's men or women. Because these are just the Nordic regions. And the Americans, you know, that was not your sport. I would say 50 years ago, other than Bobby Orr coming to Boston and turning New England on its ear, hockey would not be where it is today. Bobby Orr is the reason. A Canadian boy from the woods made hockey. And I'm not trying to disparage any American hockey players. Yeah, no, no, no, I get it. No, it was, no, no, no, I get it. No, it's a legit comment. Actually, I started watching tonight on, was it Netflix? They have a documentary of the 1980 Olympic hockey team. And did I ever tell you I interviewed Jim Craig, one of the highlights of my career? No, you didn't. I was watching him at Colby College in my fraternity when they won. What a nice man. What a very nice man. I've got to go, Tony. I'll take a break. I'll come back. I'll tell that story here in a second. How about that on the other side of the break? Tony, Montreal, thanks. And, yeah, I'll tell you the story about how I interviewed Jim Craig, the goalie from the 1980 Olympic hockey team. All of that and a couple of text messages along the way. America at Night, back in a moment. America at Night with McGraw-Milhaven, where the nation comes to talk. Call 844-2-MACGRAW and be a part of the conversation on America at Night with McGraw-Millie. Just going back to what I think it was Scott in St. Louis said, yeah, this new census data report shows that U.S. imports grew last year and the trade deficit in goods hit an all-time record high. The American manufacturing jobs lost more than 80,000 jobs this last year. The high tariffs, the unpredictable policy drove huge swings in the trade deficits last year. They went into effect and they were halted. American investors bought and sold large quantities of foreign gold to hedge the markets. Also imported cars, household consumer items, and other goods were somewhat dampened because of the tariffs. But the United States imported chips for artificial intelligence. They also showing up in foreign weight loss drubs. So think about that for a second. All in all, most of the trade didn't come from China. Actually, that tumbled. But the goods trade deficit shrank in China. But they all went around China. They ended up coming through Vietnam, Mexico, India, and other countries. That's where the largest trade deficit on record. So China's trade went down. Vietnam's trade deficit went up. Interesting. Danny and Rolla, welcome to America at Night. Hello. What's going on, brother? How are you doing, my friend? I'm doing well, thank you. I hope you are as well. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it. I made a comment a couple days ago about the left and the whole mask thing, where, well, I wondered if ICE wore N95 masks and somehow everything would be forgotten. You think so? And that's all I got, brother. Have a good night. Thank you for the phone call. Now that's comedy. Could you imagine if somebody on ICE came out with an N95 mask? Now you're talking. Now that, my friend, is what they call pure comedy. Danny and Rolla. All right, listen to this. Here's what we got. Let's go to the text line because we got quite a bit of text coming in here. Here we go. I love the movie Citizen Kane. I watched the movie years ago in film appreciation class. That's from John. Here's another one from Mercer, Pennsylvania. I usually get to listen to your show a day or two later after it airs. Just so I understand correctly, the man who thinks he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize has tried to start as many conflicts as he claims to have stopped, including threats to attack on our allies. Here's one from Sheboygan. Did you ever work at KMOX in St. Louis? Yes, I did. I worked there for five or six years. Did you know any of their baseball announcers? Yes. Jack Buck was such an inspiration to me. And when I came to town, he put his arm around me and said, welcome to St. Louis. And he said, let me buy you a beer. And I said, oh, my goodness, I'm going to tell my grandkids that Jack Buck bought me a beer. We walk up to the bar. He has his arm around me. He says, what do you want? I said, I'll have a Miller Lite. He says, you betcha. He turns to the bartender and he says, we'll take two Bud Lights right here. I said, oh, yeah, I forgot. I'm in St. Louis. Jack was a sweet, sweet man. What a nice man he was and was very, very kind to me. I also work with his daughter. His daughter works at the radio station I work at during the days. All right, let's see here. Hi, I just want McGraw to know that I do appreciate him and also whoever it was that put him on my radio station, WDAY, in Fargo, North Dakota. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Parade Magazine. This is from Arizona. The Parade Magazine says Stairway to Heaven is the best song ever recorded. It's either Al in Tucson or AI in Tucson. I don't know if it's a Russian bot or not. I'll go with Al in Tucson. I don't think AI is texting the radio station yet. Parade Magazine says Stairway to Heaven, the best song ever recorded. It's good. Don't get me wrong. But isn't it always a battle between Born to Run with Springsteen and Stairway to Heaven? If I had a vote, no disrespect to Stairway to Heaven. It's a wonderful song. Born to Run is pretty good. Born to Run is pretty good. Prince Andrew wrecked the whole legacy getting involved with Jeffrey Epstein. That's from the Twin Cities in Minneapolis. Let's see here. This one's from Wisconsin. I would honestly love to hear your opinion on an idea I have. I would like to eliminate the U.S. debt without cutting anything, benefits, or current programs. And the debt would be gone by 2044. It's too long to text, but thank you. I would love to hear it someday. Write a paper. Get it published. From Oregon. And hi, McGrath. I listened to you on Portland K-P-A-M-A-M-8-60. I think you're one hour delayed here, but it would be great to see your daily menu. To see the daily menu, all you have to do is text. 1-844-262-4729. Also, this one. Love your show. listening from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, KDKA. That's the station you are on. Yes, it is. The great KDKA in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. 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