Summary
Rory and Mal discuss Kanye West's ban from the UK, the alleged shooting of Offset by Lil TJ over a gambling debt, family obligations for wealthy celebrities, and upcoming music releases. The hosts debate whether banning Kanye adds to his mystique, explore the ethics of helping family members, and discuss the Michael Jackson movie controversy involving Janet Jackson's exclusion.
Insights
- Celebrity bans and controversies can paradoxically enhance public mystique rather than diminish it, positioning figures as anti-establishment
- Wealthy individuals face complex decisions about family support—helping can enable poor behavior, but refusing help creates resentment and public criticism
- Gambling addiction among celebrities creates cascading financial and legal problems that extend beyond personal finances to public incidents
- Family members of successful entertainers often feel entitled to wealth without understanding the work required to earn it
- Media narratives around celebrity conflicts (like Offset shooting) may be exaggerated or part of strategic rollouts rather than genuine incidents
Trends
Increased scrutiny of celebrity family dynamics and wealth distribution expectations in hip-hop cultureGambling as an emerging crisis among high-profile rappers and entertainers with documented addiction patternsInternational government intervention in entertainment (UK banning artists) becoming more common for controversial figuresSkepticism toward celebrity news narratives, with audiences questioning authenticity of reported incidentsGenerational wealth and nepo-baby discourse becoming mainstream conversation in entertainment industryMental health and addiction support becoming expected responsibility for wealthy family membersCreative industries (music, film, design) positioned as recession-proof career paths versus traditional employment
Topics
Kanye West UK ban and government censorshipOffset shooting incident and gambling debtCelebrity family financial obligationsWealth distribution and entitlement in hip-hopMichael Jackson biopic and Janet Jackson's exclusionGambling addiction in entertainmentDown-low culture and LGBTQ+ acceptanceNepo-baby privilege and earned successMusic industry releases and album rolloutsAddiction recovery and interventionInternational artist bans and free speechFamily dynamics post-wealth acquisitionCareer path selection for creative individualsAuthenticity in celebrity news reportingMentorship and opportunity gatekeeping
Companies
Boost Mobile
Sponsor offering $25/month unlimited wireless plan with no contracts or price hikes
Bask and Lather
Men's grooming brand offering beard and hair care products, featured for moisturizing benefits
Hard Rock Bet
Official sportsbook partner of Miami Heat and Orlando Magic offering same-game parlay betting
iHeartMedia
Podcast network distributing the New Rory & MAL show
People
Kanye West
Banned from UK by government; sponsors pulling from Wireless festival performance
Offset
Shot in alleged gambling debt dispute with Lil TJ; has documented gambling addiction
Lil TJ
Allegedly shot Offset over $10K gambling debt; accused Offset of being a rat
Cardi B
Offset's wife; has publicly discussed his gambling issues
Glorilla
Sister alleges she doesn't help family despite wealth; criticized for not getting family out of hood
T. Grizzley
Mother went viral complaining he won't buy her a car despite his success
Janet Jackson
Excluded from Michael Jackson biopic due to refusing to sign over likeness rights
Michael Jackson
Subject of upcoming biopic with controversy over family exclusions and accuracy
Paris Jackson
Michael Jackson's daughter; not involved in biopic, says it's inaccurate and panders to fandom
Lamar Odom
Subject of documentary about addiction recovery; discussed as example of spousal support
Khloé Kardashian
Praised for supporting Lamar Odom through addiction recovery despite infidelity
DJ Khaled
Releasing new album with Future and Lil Baby; lost Drake features and recalibrating
Snoop Dogg
Releasing '10 Till Midnight' album with Pharrell and other producers
Isaiah Rashad
Releasing new single this weekend
Rory Farrell
Co-host absent this episode; typically co-hosts the show
Quotes
"His presence would not be conducive to the public good. I like that word. Conducive."
Mal•Early segment
"This adds to the allure of yay. This adds to that whole to the story. I'm the bad guy. I'm banned from London."
Mal•Kanye discussion
"If you become rich and famous, how entitled should your family members be and which family members should be entitled?"
Mal•Family obligations segment
"You help family and friends if they're worth helping. If you don't see you moving on your own, I'm not going to push you."
Baby D•Mentorship discussion
"I love not relating to niggas that don't flaw stay teeth. We have nothing in common. I love it, baby. I love it."
Mal•Friendship standards
Full Transcript
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human. No, warrior's mom. No. Conductible. No, warrior's mom. No, no, warrior's mom. No, warrior's mom. No, warrior's mom. All right, we are back end of the week. Happy Friday. Happy Friday to each and every one of you out there. Don't you love Fridays, baby D? I do. This Friday is really great because it's just us. This is just us Friday. Us. You know, when I say us, you know what I mean. So the colonizer, Rory Farrell, is not here with us today. He is away. Yeah. Clap it up for Rory being gone. Yeah. Don't do my friend like that. Give the listeners a break. Sometimes the listeners need a break. Stop. I gotta take a break though. I don't think I've ever taken a break. Have I ever taken a break? No, right? You've been gone, Berth. It wasn't like a, you just missed flights and shit like that. Mr. Remember Virginia? Okay. You missed the flight Virginia and then I think you, I can't remember. You've taken like, you got sick before too. So twice. Yeah. My streak, I'm like the little Garreg of podcasting. I'm the Iron Man of Pog. Baby, don't hate. Don't do that. Iron Man of Pog cast is crazy. We're not going to start this episode with hate. I'm just saying I've only missed two episodes and how many years I've been doing this. I'm just saying, I'm just saying baby D. I'm just saying. You're right. One thing about me, I be gone. People count on me, death and taxes. Small death and taxes is what the people can count on. Can we go back to my exes? You know what I'm saying? And you spending more baby D's spending death and taxes on what the people can definitely cast. No, we're not doing this episode for that ass. No, we're not doing that. But before we get into it baby D, before we get into the news for the weekend and then really get into the shit. We are sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited Talk, Text and Data. We need a lot of data for all the things, the news that's going on. We got to be able to keep up with everything between Iran and Kanye not being allowed in the UK. It's a lot of shit going on that we need to doubt. We need to doubt. Serious shit. Serious shit for all. I'm just saying, all right. Listen, I'm just saying how much of it and we can get into it. But how much of it baby D do we really care about? I know we get news every day on our phones and we hear it on social media. But when you say serious shit, right? Now Iran and everything happened in the middle of the east of Syria. People are dying. People losing lives. Very serious. Yes. Outside of that, how much of this shit is serious? That mean Kanye allowed in my country. I don't know what the fuck they doing over there in the UK. I ain't worried about that shit. Now, what was it? Monday. We recorded Monday and we spoke about Kanye and us thinking that wireless would not happen. Sponsors were pulling out. We know that's a snowball effect. Once one sponsor pulls out, the other ones are kind of got to look like, yo, y'all staying now because that's kind of crazy to still be attached to that. So sponsors pulled out. But since we left, news had come out that Kanye has been banned, banned, not allowed in the United Kingdom. The reasoning that the UK government gave is that his presence would not be conducive to the public good overall. To the public good. To the public good. His presence would not be good conducive. They do so to the public conducive. I like that word. Good word conducive to the public good to the public good to his expressing admiration for Hitler and releasing a song titled Hail Hitler. Okay. Well, what about just saying he can't perform that song? So when I hear conducive to the public good, what I hear is that it might cause protests or uprisings if he was to come. It would cause civil unrest. That's what I hear when I hear it's not conducive to the public good. He just sold out so far, right? No words about anything happening. It's LA though. Yeah. I mean, there's Jews in LA now. I think it's a lot of Jews in LA actually. Yes. They are Jewish people. Jewish people in LA. LA, right? Yeah. Okay. No uprising there. He didn't perform Hail Hitler at SoFi, right? Had a show in Mexico City. Didn't perform Hail Hitler there either, right? I don't think so. I don't know if there's that many Jewish people in Mexico. I'm just saying he didn't perform the record. Yes. So what would make them believe that he would go to the UK? I don't think it's the performance of the record. I don't even think they're afraid of. I think they're afraid of people's reaction. To the record. Not to the record. Just him being there. So what Kanye now stands for in some people's eyes, standing for anti-Semitism, I think that just his being now stands for that. So that's what they look at. Yeah, but I just think that's just a little ridiculous. I mean, I can understand them not wanting him to perform certain songs just to push that message. I get that part. But what's a band, Kanye, from entering the UK? That's ridiculous. I think that's just like, I bro, like he wouldn't have been banned if he wasn't performing at wireless, right? We think it's safe to say that he could have went to UK and been chilling recording if he wanted to. Probably here without being so the fact that they saw these sponsors pulling out, they assumed that wireless would then cancel the performance and go book somebody else as we did, right? Once they saw that wireless was still down to have now, it's like, I got it here. This was like the OK, we're going to block all of this from happening. He's not even allowed in the country. I just think that's a little too far. Now if you know anything about the UK, as I do in the drill scene in the music, I can assure you that those gentlemen that are walking the streets of the UK, their message is way more dangerous than Kanye. But their locals. True. But I mean, you trying to keep somebody out because you feel like, oh, you know, he might conducive to public, whatever. It's a whole bunch of these drill rappers that are probably more of a liability and more dangerous to the UK than Kanye could ever be. Probably. But they home. So I feel like this is just this is them trying to send a message. I think this is them trying to potentially cause this type of situation to happen to you and other other countries. Now he did have a show in Amsterdam. I don't know if that passed already. Let me check. But if it's coming up because I believe Amsterdam, I believe they made a statement. So yeah, the Netherlands, the Netherlands, the Dutch Prime Minister released a statement and said that you will not be banned from the country. He will not be banned. He will not be banned. He is allowed to perform in the Netherlands. He's good. So June, I think that's June. June 6th and June 8th. June 6th. All right. So yeah, so obviously other countries, you know, the Netherlands, they're supporting Kanye. He's allowed to perform. So yeah, I just think him being banned from the UK. I think that's a that's a bit much. And how long is this banned for? Is it just until after wireless is over and he's allowed to come back because they just want to make sure he doesn't show up to wireless? Oh yeah, that's a good question. Like will Kanye not be allowed to sell out the O2 because Kanye can go sell out the O2. Will he not be allowed to ever go back to the UK? Like that's a big market for Kanye. So I mean, I just don't I don't know what this means. Like what's the the future of this with Kanye in the UK? Is it like a permanent lifetime ban? Well the board of deputies of British Jewish people says that they'd be open to meeting with him if he agrees not to perform this year. They'd be open to meeting with him if he agrees not to perform this year. Yeah. We're willing to meet Kanye as part of his journey of healing, but only after he agrees not to play wireless festival this year. So it's like he they don't even really want to ban him, but it's like we just can't you can't perform. That's so you're right. It's really they just really don't want him to perform. Yeah, but what is all this shit? Yeah, that's like this is just what is this? What do we like I get it? Kanye has said some things that he should not have said we and we know that and he said some things that was absolutely like crazy off the end. We understand that. But now saying he's not allowed in the country and I'm pretty sure Kanye has been in the UK since he had made those statements. They just I'm almost positive Kanye has been in London since he's made those statements. They just don't want to form a they just don't want him on the stage performing. Yeah, I don't know, man. I think I think that's just a bit too dramatic, too drastic. They add into his legend status. Oh, no. Let me let me be very clear. This helps Kanye. Like, I don't I don't think Kanye is sitting back mad. I don't think he's upset. I'm pretty sure he wanted to he was looking forward to doing wireless because he's just looking forward to putting on the show and, you know, and adding to the fact that he's one of the greatest entertainers. But he's sitting back somewhere wherever he is. Like this is helping the allure of yay. This adds to that. I'm the bad guy. I'm banned from London. I'm the UK. I'm I can't go to the UK. You know, I'm saying like this adds to that whole to the story. So I don't think he's upset about it. I think he was looking forward to wireless, obviously. But I mean, I guess he'll agree not to perform this year and sit down with, you know, the deputies of the British Jews, whoever that may be, the board of deputies of British Jews. It's like, who? That's like when they knock on your door and they be like, yeah, we're here. Like, who? Like, I don't. It's too many words. Yeah, I mean, yeah, who are you? Shortening your back. But you know, I'm saying like so whatever. Like he has to go sit down and meet me with the board. Whatever that conversation entails, he may have to pay a fine. Donate to some child. You know how that goes. Donate some money. A little bread. Spend a little bread. You know, man, you got to grease the palms. You know what I'm saying? Do you allow back in? We know how this goes. But this does add to the allure of yay in the story of him being the alleged bad guy and, you know, the alleged victim of it all for just freedom of speech, as he would probably say. But I do think it is a bit. It's a bit too drastic to say he's banned from the UK. That's all. Well, I know this really chapter ass, because I know you all about freedom of speech and all of that. But I don't let me be free in here. No, the people knew how much your piece do we have to unedited file somewhere when it's all said and done, we're going to release those files. Peace. Like just let it all burn up. Hell, let it go up in flames. I'm cool. I'm so cool. How was your week? What you went up to? Fuck you been doing while being away from me this week? I didn't really do much this week. I went to my boy, said I'm a boy out though. He got an album in Spanish, ran got an album coming out. What's out when you're in this is what we were recording Thursday. So it comes out at midnight. Spanish ran out though. Rock, paper, scissors. OK, album out tonight. Well, out now if you're listening to this. So I went to the adolescent session last night at Ingerum downtown. How was that? So I stopped by. It was real rap shit, real Bronx shit, real one. Oh, I was there. And now this ain't really for the. You know me? This ain't that. You know what I'm saying? To say this is this is for the, you know, me, a very particular group. You know what I'm saying? But I'm excited for people to hear this project because coming off a holy city zoo, which is one of the best albums that year. I think this is a great follow up for that. And I'm just happy that I'll do it finally in a in a zone where he's, you know, creating and releasing music. Him and Spanish ran the energy and the chemistry that they've built and created is dope. So I went to support my guys last night, but the album is out now. So stream that out though. Spanish ran rock, paper, scissor. That's all right. It wasn't really outside though. I just went right to Ingerum to the studio. They have food. You know, niggas don't eat. It was a lot of liquor, though. Licking weed. I don't like being around. But it's that part of rap, though. It's the part of you mean we ain't got no hors d'oeuvres like nothing. All derbs is the grabber. It's the grab. That's the that's the order. Maybe need a grabber. Yeah, put the grabber in the blood. You know, that's the order. Yeah, man. But it was dope to see, you know, a lot of familiar faces. Cats haven't seen in a while. So yeah, that's all I did while we was away from each other. What you was doing? It was my goddaughter's birthday. So I ran to D.C. for, I don't know, 15 hours. Hold on. Stop. Slow it down. Slow the tape. He'd slow the tape. I ran to D.C. for a couple hours. For my goddaughter's birthday. And yeah, she turned five. So you see is close to because it's the D to MN to V, right? Ain't that what they call it? I'm not tripping. Am I tripping? It's the D to M in the V, right? So that's D.C. Maryland, Virginia. All right. So you ran down to the couple hours, 15 hours. Yeah, it was quick. I ran down there and drove you flew train. Train. Yo, yo, him, him, pop, I'm sorry, I'll take it all back. Call worry back. Call worry back. You said you took the train. I took the train. I took the train. Yeah, it's comfortable. It's comfortable. Right. We took the train. Where do we go B? And we took the train to Philly, D.C. Philly or D.C., right? One of them. I think it was Philly. I think it was Philly. I think it was Philly. It was Philly. You took the train to Philly. Yeah, so I went to D.C. And we just we went to some shit called bubble planet, which is just a bunch of balloons and ball pits and a bunch of shit for kids and the kids ran around. Ma, I don't I don't know about the kid thing. What do you mean? I don't know. I was birth control for you. It was the kids at a birthday party. They scream, they run, they don't listen. I was just because the sensors, it's like car lights going off in the dark. I felt like I was a Cocoa Mellon episode. That shit was a lot, bro. Yeah, but I mean, there's supposed to be a lot. Those kids. Yeah, but I'm a little. I get overstimulated really easy. Yeah, but I think when it's your kid, I think it's different when it's your kid. Is it? I think so. I think we see a kid playing and interacting with kids and you see them kind of like finding their way. Like, you know, he still can't really walk all the way. But, you know, he's trying to he see other kids walking. So he trying to walk. I think you will enjoy that part of it. I think when it's not your kids and you just hearing noise and that's when it's like, oh, my God, this is a lot. But yours is different. I'm assuming that your child will be different for you. No, I love my God kids to death. So they were having a ball, but them and their friends. I'm so why y'all don't and they fast. I'm like, why y'all so fucking out of breath? They hitting corners and shit. I'm over there like this sponge Bob me. Have you breathing? I was like, I can't. I don't know how y'all do this every day. So was this that just with the kids birthday party? And then I came right home. Yeah, I came right home. I got you in the city. See you around five a.m. No, only thing I stopped at a coffee shop that had liquor. And that was it coffee shop because I had a headache and I didn't know whether it was my caffeine addiction or my alcohol addiction. So I just got a mosa and a latte. The headache went away. A mosa latte. Yeah, which way is going to go? You don't even know. So that's what moms. I'm tired. You already brought up. You will type of episode. I'm just fucking with you. I was having a episode. So shout out to DC. You had a good time. It was great. I had a great time. The kids is good. Mm hmm. The family is good. Mm hmm. All right, then that's all that matters. As long as everybody's good down in DC. We're chilling. But you know, niggas were shooting apparently in Miami. Listen, I heard about that. And I didn't I didn't look too much into it because I was just like, bro, what is going on? Like we just had pooling them. I'm telling you, like a week or two ago, not even two weeks ago, like a week ago, we just had pooling them. Pooling them. Mm hmm. Pooling them going crazy. And then now we got offset Lil T.J. at a casino. So the alleged story, since you didn't look too deep into it, the alleged story, all of this is alleged. We don't know these fucking people. Right. Is that Lil T.J. was posted and his close friends that offset owe him money. Like he was pressing off set in the DMs. Like nigga, like I need my my bread. Ryan, exactly how much money was it? Like I need my money. Ten thousand. I need my money. Like where you out of slap the shit out you. And basically offset was like, you gonna slap 10 bands? OK. Offset like you gonna slap who? They was at Hard Rock Casino. Shout out to Hard Rock. They were at Hard Rock Casino. And I guess T.J. had gave him the money because they were gambling or something like that. Yeah. I guess offset has a gambling problem. T.J. lent it to him for gambling. Apparently offset didn't pay it back. Again, all of this is alleged. Y'all, we don't know. Right. So it's alleged that possibly Lil T.J. shot offset. Lil T.J. had a video coming out of the courtroom, like this nigga offset a rat. I saw that. Pointed at me. I'm not gonna lie. When I saw that, I thought that was fake. I thought that was part of like a video. Because it just didn't seem real. Like you coming out the jail, you start taking your shirt off. Because usually when guys in a situation like that, they don't talk to the reporters. Because lawyers say shut the fuck up. Don't say nothing. T.J. from my hoodie, from the axe. I know how they give it up. He came out, he like nah offset a rat. I'm like, this ain't real. This cannot be real. Like you don't usually run to whatever your car is at. I'm not talking to no cameras, no reporters. Let me get out of here and go back to my hotel. Sure they ain't even on. But it was on. But then once you saw the cameras was on, you know, T.J. start performing. He on the stage now. Let me take my shirt off. So I thought that was like, I was like, this can't be. It didn't feel like this was real. But obviously it was real. So he was saying that offset is a rat. But he snitched and said he shot him. I don't know man. Something is this host, none of this. Now get it. If somebody owes you some money and you know, they're not paying you back. Yes, people are being upset. I need my money. I want my money. I just don't know if for 10,000 T.J. is going to shoot offset. I don't think 10,000 is the number. I don't think 10 K or get it done. Well, maybe it was a scam because the offset appears to be fine. Thank God. Thank. Yeah. Thank God. Thank God that offset is OK. And you know, he's it's not life threatening injuries. That would have been we don't need to lose any more megos. Yeah, that would have been absolutely crazy to wake up to that news. But I don't know if 10 K is at the casino. We don't have no footage of this. Because it's if you ever been to a casino, it's cameras. Cameras everywhere. As soon as you pull up on a casino property, valet area, parking lot, wherever, this camera is everywhere. How do we not have footage of this already? I would assume it's. Somebody's legal team probably has it. I would assume that it's coming. Yeah, I don't I don't know. Man, I just got to wait to really more of this story comes out because it just doesn't sound. It's a little TJ shooting offset for for ten thousand dollars because he owed him 10. That just doesn't sound right. Ain't that what Remy Ma went to Joe for? Was it 10 Remy? It probably I don't know if it was 10. It might have been less. Remy might have Remy might have went. She might have crashed out for less. But 999 I ain't even gonna lie. Three thousand. Three bands. Remy was like, you're out the all this shit. Three thousand. You know, sure, somebody this is what I'm this is what I'm saying is can be real. Now, ten thousand. I'm not frowning at ten thousand. Somebody owes you ten thousand. I would need that to my brother. You owe me some some bread, brother. Give me my money. Yeah, I'm not shooting you for ten thousand dollars. I don't think it's over the money, though. My lawyer fee is going to be way more than ten. Like I'm just not doing that. I think it's over the audacity to not pay me to fuck back. I understand that. I think that's what it is. Shooting. We'll jump you. We'll jump you. Me and homies. If you jump a nigga nowadays, he's shooting. So you might as well skip that step. Yeah. But if they if you shoot, then I mean, and I shoot back then this I'm not really in much trouble. I'm defending myself at that point. Sure. But I'm just saying, I don't know if, you know, little TJ is doing that for ten. Now, again, I don't I don't know little TJ like that. I know where he from. This is my hood. I know how they how they give it up. Because they taking those shorties. But I just don't know. And it has to be more to the story. Well, now there's a Me Too movement when it comes to. It was all the Me Too movement. No, now there's all Me Too movement when it comes to offset and O and people money because Des Bryant came out and said that he owe him 8K and Ebro said he owes him 5K. So and Cardi has said before that he has a gambling issue. So offset just out here on the next money. Yeah, but Ebro, Ebro probably made a bet on a game like just on conversation. Like it was a Super Bowl. Do offset really own no? Because like I've done that with the home. You can't make a bet. Like if you make a bet, you're right. You're right. But if it's something where it's just like we talking shit. And I'm like the game is on tonight and Peej is like who you like. I'm like, y'all like the Nuggets and he's like, nah, I like Dallas. I'm like, bet it. People like, I bet bet the five. Bet 5K. I bet 5K. If Peej lose the bet, I don't know if I'm coming in here tomorrow. Like, give me my bread, bro. I don't know if I'm doing that. Now, I don't know the relationship between Ebro and offset. But if it's somebody I fuck with like that, I don't know if I'm pressing Peej for that five on a bet like that. I don't know if I'm doing that. If you all are. We shoot Peej is right here shooting the dice, though. And he asked about me or not. We're going to shake some. We're going to get these cameras moving for sure. You can't like if I'm actively like you took money out of my pocket, like I lost some money with you. That's different. But if me and Peej is in and talking shit about who played tonight and we just shoot the fire, you bet five. But not. But these are serious gamblers, though. And when you are serious, I don't know if the heroes are serious game. You serious about your bread. That's Bryant might be a serious serious gambler. I can see there's really like gambling. Ebro, I could just see offset in the studio and they was just talking about some shit that Super Bowl and was like bedded or whatever. Well, Ebro says they've talked mad. You're right. He says they talk mad time since the Super Bowl and it's not a big deal. That's what I'm saying. They that's I don't I don't really. Now, there's the same offset as being sued for 100K for a gambling debt. You offset, you might, you know, we fuck with officer, we support offset up here. Well, so you might you might have a problem, bro. You might have a gambling problem. Yeah. When you getting shot in your ass because of gambling debts. Yes, Tom, it's time to get intervention, bro. Niggas said he laid in a hospital like this, waiting for Cardi. Like that's her. Somebody was like, did you tell her it was serious? I'm like, yo. As Cardi said something, she's spoken out about it. Has she? I don't think so. I don't think so. I wouldn't why am I going to give you the attention you want? No, I'm not. Offset don't want the attention. But if your child's father is just shot. Once you find out he I you see pictures of him in the hospital gown with the I'm sure she called me. Sure, he was like, oh, he got grazed. Oh, he cool. I bet. OK, yeah. Yeah, like I could say I don't take everything away. I mean, that should you they're still legally married, right? I don't think so. I don't. So that's your husband. That's your husband and the father of your kids. He I. It's a cold world. Then they get shot. You can't even get no. See, that's why you got to give Chloe more flowers. She Chloe when she Chloe said till death do us, please. You saw the doc. She was like, she was with him. She was with Lamar teaching him how his ABCs again. Lamar didn't know his colors. He didn't know his ABCs like Chloe was right there holding it down. Now he was cheating on her. She knew all of this, but she like, yo, as his wife. I felt a duty and obligation to be there. Y'all don't give Chloe enough flowers. I give Chloe plenty of flowers. No, man. No other fuckers would die. We're supposed to not. I give her flowers. We were supposed to all watch that documentary and be like, no, Chloe held it down. Everybody has said that, though. Yeah, it ain't loud enough. It ain't loud enough. Like because because like a lot of y'all wouldn't do that. He was cheating. Fuck that nigga. I would get him help. I would get him help for sure. She got him help. She had him rehab, like personal rehab. And I went back and smoke and crack. Honestly, by the way, I meant to ask you, did they ever say that he stopped smoking crack? Like, did they ever conclude, yo, Lamar, old man's off crack or did they just give him money for a doc for him to go buy more crack? Well, well, baby D, when you're an addict, you know that is one day at a time. And all we can hope is that Lamar is taking his recovery one day at a time. That's all I don't know. I don't know. I'm just hoping that it's one day at a time for Lamar. And he's, you know, every day one step at a time. That's all. One step at a time. But yeah, man, prayers to offset. Pay the people, man. They not playing. What? Hey, hey offset. Hey, hey offset. Hey, look, man, you know, we fuck with you up here. I'm a Hebrew real. The Bronx niggas ain't playing. Give TJ that bread, whatever you owe him. Send that wire, my nigga. He ain't playing. Obviously, he's not playing with you. Now I want you to shoot me, we even. I'm not giving you no bread after you shot at me, bitch. Fuck you. Man, not where I'm from. A nigga shoot you and you just, you know what I mean? Lay it up, you all right? That's just the warning. That's the, that's the account number. The account number was on that bullet. Send that wire, fam. We not playing. Send that bread. That's, that's his K. Yeah, we need that. I really think it's the audacity. Like the audacity, it's the audacity that you not paying me back. Cause if you come to me and we're like, yo, bro, I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm down bad. Like I'm down bad. I can't afford to pay you back right now. I don't think niggas is gonna shoot it. Yeah, but if you down bad, down bad, down bad, and I bump into you at the casino. Yeah, what you first of all is that my 10 K? You want to start again? I need that. Like we not playing. You just told me you was down, you was fucked up now. I'm bumping into you at the casino. You're gonna catch that. No, no, no, no, no, no. I need my bread. I need, I'm not playing with you. I need my bread. Definitely. I need my bread. What's the most somebody ever owed you? Oh, shit. My bad. Hold on a minute. Ha ha ha ha. Oh fuck. My bad. Worrying to me I wasn't being funny. Baby, it's still one day at a time for me. See, I'm, I'm, I'm healing. Right? I'm healing. I'm trying to become a better man. I'm trying to be a better person. You know what I'm saying? So like it's one day at a time for me. Stop triggering me. Oh my bad. I'm sorry. Asking me some bullshit like that. I'm so sorry. One day at a time. So yes, I don't, nobody has ever owed me money. That's how I'm looking at it. That's how you looking at it. That's how, that's how you have to move past it. Nobody owes me anything. All right, you're right. You're right. No worry at all. Maul finally boost mobile is proving that you don't have to overpay for great wireless, which you've been doing forever. You always overpay. How about you unlock your savings with a $25 a month forever unlimited plan. It's a permanent price with no contracts, no price hikes. You keep your phone and your number, but you save up to $600 a year compared to the major carriers. So Maul, please stop overpaying and switch to a fair price of boostmobile.com. 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Okay. Like, so Gloverilla's sister recently, just another thing that she posted, Gloverilla was with her father at the Memphis Grizzlies and Toronto Raptors game and her sister reposted. It was like, bro lights was just turned off a couple of days ago, but okay. She's been complaining about Gloverilla not getting them out the hood for a while. If you become rich and famous, how entitled should your family members be and which family members should be entitled? Like, do you feel like you owe them or do you feel like you can give them what you feel like giving them when you can? Which family members should feel entitlement? Yes. I don't think any family members should feel entitlement, but if I'm okay with a family member feeling entitlement, it would be mom. If there was somebody who felt like they were entitled to something, it would be mom for sure. I think that part of being a man and having a mom is hopefully one day being in a position where you can retire your mom, you can take care of your mom, she doesn't have to work and she can just enjoy the rest of her life, gardening or doing whatever she wants to do around the house and things like that. I think that's the dream or should be the dream and the goal of every man growing up is to one day retire their parents so they don't have to work and bust their ass every day. But there is a certain type of parent that exists at the same time. I have a lot of friends who have made a lot of money and some money that most people will never earn and see in their life. And without exposing too much, they have very interesting relationships with their parents where some of the stories you hear is like, I sit back and I'm like, damn, like you bought your mom five houses and she's still ain't happy. You bought your mom four cars and she's still ain't happy. She's still asking for more. Shit, if I bought my mom five houses, she might not ever ring my phone again. So there is a line because certain parents, again, parents are humans, even though they are parents, they have their flaws as well. They do lean on the side of sometimes taking advantage and parents feeling like your success is theirs and your money is theirs. But then there's other parents who, they don't, I got again, friends that make a lot of money and their parents don't ask them for anything, but those are the parents that get everything. Cause it's like, no, it's simple. Buying my parents a house, but my dad has dreamed car that he always wanted. And that's it, like they happy. They don't need, put them on a little monthly allowance to stock the fridge and things like that. That's it, happy. They're not milking the cow. They're not trying to rinse their kids dry for, cause they believe this and you work for this. This is your life now. You know what I mean? Enjoy it. But me personally, I do think that you should, if you're in a position, no matter what, to help family or friends. Yeah, you should, you could, not you should, but you could. Even if you feel like that family or friends are bad with money. Well, that's what I'm saying. You have to understand who you're helping and what the help is. Like if I have a friend that's, you know, every month, he's like, y'all are fucked up. Me giving you this two, $3,000 ain't gonna, have you not fucked up. You about to fuck this up. You know what I'm saying? You just a fuck up. But I mean, again, you have to know your family, know who you're talking to. And this could be very well being one of those situations with Gloria. Like she's probably helped the family and, you know, they're doing whatever they're doing with the money, not being responsible. Because I know situations like that, where on the outside it may look like, damn, he don't do nothing for his, and it's like, bro, that nigga did a lot. His family is just very greedy. They're very like, you know, they just entitled. Like, he doesn't have to take care of the entire family. We all got 25s in a day. Instead, yo, what you got? You know what I'm saying? Business plans, what you eat? You know what I mean? Help your friends out with that. Yo, my homeboy, he wanna do, he wanna open a food truck. I get him a food truck. Get your tacos off, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, things like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, okay, cool. Like now we business partners. Like, I want 20%. 80% is yours. You know what I'm saying? Like, just kick me back 20% of the business. Things like that. You know what I'm saying? I think it's ways where you can help. Like, just help your friends or your family. Like, if they have, especially if it's family that you know, like, they really have, like, you know, some type of education and they understand money, responsibility. They have real things that they're actively, you see them actively moving towards their goals and their dreams. I think sometimes if you're in a position to help them get to that, then yeah, why not? Because to me personally, I love to look around and see all of my friends doing something that we all talked about at one point. Like, yo, I'm about to open the store. And he got that idea just in the crib in the pandemic trying to make space in his closet. He's like, bro, I don't got no way to push it. Made like $8,000 on, I don't know if it was Posh Marder, one of those sites, one month. And this is used clothes, used sneakers. Now he take care of his thing. So it wasn't, it didn't look terrible. But just the idea that this is not brand new stuff. And I was able to give it a lot of this stuff and make $8,000. Clearly there's a market for this. Boom, all right, opens a store. Now you got one of the best resale stores in the city, like high end pieces. And this is just an often idea. You get what I'm saying? So it's like when you have friends that you see like that, those are the friends that you get behind and support and help. But if you got your cousin that's just... Smoking up your money. That niggas right where you left them two years ago, standing on the same block. He ain't going, because he don't have no ambition. That's what a lot of people don't understand. And that's not even just like with rich family members trying to help family just period. Even us being in a position that we're in when we have... I ain't got it. I ain't helping nobody. I'm not talking about money. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. But when we have opportunities for people, right? Now we might not give to people. People might ask us for opportunities like, yo, I know you look for this, this and this. Like, you know, I've had people come to me like, yo, I know you looking for an intern or I know you looking for this or yo, start a podcast with me. Like the Maristas do our own thing. And it's like, if I don't see you moving on your own, I'm not going to push you. Yeah. I'll push you if you move on your own. We love to help people when we can help them. And when I feel like my help is going to be appreciated and put to use. But you want me to do this for you. And that means you don't want it bad enough. If you're not willing to do it without my help, you don't want it bad enough. Yeah, because you can help people crash too. Like I've seen that happen. I've seen people give, you know, friends and family position and they're just like, oh, you help them crash faster than if you didn't help them. Because some people just don't have that, you know, they say they want to do this. They say they want to do that. Then once they in it and they see the work that it entails, the time, the dedication, it's like, you know, they start falling off. You're like, you don't really want this shit. You say you want it. You want to make money and you want to be able to buy things that you like and travel. You want those things. But the part that people don't see to that is the work and the time and hours that you got to put in. You're going to miss a lot of events, a lot of family gatherings, a lot of, you know, things that you probably want to be at because you got to, you're building this thing, you're building your dream. So I think that, you know, you help family and friends if they're worth helping. Yeah. You know, it's a hard pill to take once you realize like, damn, my friends ain't shit. These niggas is lazy. Niggas is bums. They just, yeah, they real talk. Like, yo, they bums. Like, yo, y'all don't, y'all not even talking about the right things. Your conversations is not even a productive. Like you start to realize that after a while and then you realize how fortunate you were to get away from that. Cause I could have been right there on that same call. And then they say you acting funny because you start hanging with people. You start hanging with people who have similar interests and similar work ethic and it's like you acting funny. It's like, yeah, this shit is not conducive to the person I want to be. I'm acting real funny. I love that shit. When niggas say, yo, I can't relate to you no more. I love that. I love that. I made it. I love not relating. I love not relating to niggas that don't flaw stay teeth. Oh. We have nothing in common. Like, I love it, baby. I love it. Yes. Yo, but not even, that's so true. Cause even with, at you guys's last venture, I used to beg Rory, right? I stopped beg Rory like, yo, I say mall and so and so is so fucking stupid. Like let me come up there and talk. And he's like, girl, sit down. I was young, right? I'm young running around. You used to say I was stupid. Yeah. I ain't know that about you. Yeah. Your time coming up. Like it sounds so dumb. The same shit we argue about now. I used to sit and just listen and be like, why don't you say something to him? But you know, now I'm here saying it. But he used to be like, girl, sit down. Like you not serious about that. That are like, please. Like he didn't take, you know, he'd been paying me no attention. And then he saw that I started, I went to school for communications and I started, you know, I was sending pictures of me and my audio and video production classes and doing shit on my own. And also went and did shit and worked for Rory for free, interning and stuff like that. So once he saw I was serious about what I was saying, then it's like, okay, then I'll give you opportunity. Like you, you're making your own moves on your own. Like you're not just sitting there listening to podcasts, talking shit, like everybody else on internet. I mean, it happens. I mean, shit. My family, my brothers, I never worked in Rockefeller. Yeah. Looking back, I shouldn't have been working at Rockefeller. I'm just looking back. I'm like, I get it now. Yeah. Young. I didn't, I didn't. You wouldn't have appreciated it. At all. But full circle now we work together. Me and my brother see, it's like, it still happens, but it has to happen when all parties are in a position to really be serious about what they don't. Me being young and outside and moving around, I wasn't serious. Mind you, it was people that would have sold their last pinky, so to get that opportunity. Probably. But I mean, me personally, I always was the one that, you know, I was just, I always wanted to find my own, you know what I'm saying? Like y'all going right, I'm going over here. Like I was always like that from a kid. Like so, I think it all happens when it's supposed to, but yes, if you're in a position to help family and friends that deserve it, that deserve it, that are actively working to build something in themselves. If your dad is, you know, he's a farmer and his, you know, the John Deere tractor is fucked up, get him a new one. Pop still want to work. John Deere is expensive. I'm just saying, but Pop still want to work. He's still out there in the field every day, you know, with the crops and all that. It's that he can get more done if he had a new tractor. Get Pop's a new tractor. Things like that. Like, you know, still put people in a position to work for themselves and have something of their own, but they have to be actively already trying to build something, create something for themselves. Those are the people who I think you take care of first. Mom and dad, if they did a great job with you and they took care of you and, you know, they loved you and they gave you all of the tools that you have today that helped you become who you are, then I think it's only a natural process. You reach back and you help mom and dad. So, I mean, yeah, to Glow Realistic, I mean, I don't know their dynamic and I don't know their family, you know, history and things like that, but I got to guess that Glow Realistic probably to a point she's like, listen, y'all don't appreciate shit and y'all just fuck shit up, like, or the flip side of that, Glow Realistic don't want to help y'all. She could just not fuck with y'all. I mean, that's what we find. Listen, it goes both ways sometimes. You think your kid gonna be a nepo baby? Hell no. I think it'll work as soon as he get his papers. I mean, he's a citizen. No, I'm like, it's working permit. Like, we got work, were you able to work? At like 15, or something like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he getting right out in the field. Yeah, we putting him right to work. What? Sweep the barbershop, nigga, you doing something. Yeah, you need that. I understand that, but what I mean, when I say nepo baby, I mean, like giving him an opportunity in the media industry that you and his uncles. You don't want to part of this shit. Not the media space. Cause you know what's interesting about the media space? People get so hung up on, my opinion is just one of eight million in my city. There's eight million opinions in New York city. Very true. Right? Mine is just one of them. When people will hold you to that and get mad and call you name, Dick Rod, it's like, bro, it's mad opinions out here in the world. This is my point of view, my story, my feelings. Like, so I don't know if I would want, I would want my kid to do something creative for sure. I think we should all create. Yeah, he wouldn't have to be a talking head like us. But I want him to be, I want him or her. I don't want to say him. I would want him or her to do something creative because with technology and shit, a lot of these positions, you know, these things that people do now is going to kind of be phased out. I think so with technology, I think the one thing that I think technology can't really interfere with is going to be like arts, things to do with art. Whether it be like, you know, music, architecture, building, design, things like that. Now, I know technology can come in and face someone's eye, but I think there's always going to forever be a lane for artists and entertainers. Technology can be implemented into entertainment, but you're still going to need people to entertain and to create ways of entertainment for people. So I would definitely want my kids to do something in the artistic space for sure. Okay. I would love for my kids to do something and things that I wasn't brave enough to do. Like... Stripped. Did you cool? You so fucking... I feel like every woman thought about it at least once before. You would go to a small town with nobody new you just to see how much you were making one night. I don't... Because if you make, all right, baby D, scenario. Okay. You go to a small town, hold on, huh? Last time I'll be the fuck up here again, same company. Really? Because more want to see me naked. That's really what this shit is. I don't want to see you naked, but I'm just saying I feel like everyone, like if you was able to go to a small town one night and you cast out 10 bands, cash, baby D, you going back next Saturday. Don't tell me you're not. No, because if you went to a small town, nobody, no baby D. It doesn't matter. You get on the stage, they ain't never seen a chocolate like that. And you walk out of there and you count 10K. Mom. You're not going back next, I will drop you off again next Saturday. Mom, if I did what I was supposed to do and lock in, I could make 10K off of a brand deal without having to show my asshole. But yeah, but the ass only an hour, you got to show the ass though. Look how much free time you got. I'm just trying to get you freedom baby. I'm just trying to not have you at the job for so many hours baby. Nah man, I guess it's not my personality. But I would love for my kids to go into something like screenwriting, directing, like those type of things that I think I would have been good at, but I wasn't really brave enough to do. Because I was afraid to fail. I had a real bad fear of failure. That's probably my biggest fear. I think that comes from environment though. Like having the fear of failure comes from, I think the people you around growing up. Like that's something, because I don't, you're not born with that. You're not born with a fear of failure. You're taught that. So you can be around people, you can be around. You just like, you know, whether you have parents that support your ideas, that's why it's important to support your kids' ideas and their dreams because you're like, oh, nah, you ain't gonna do that. Go in and get in the books. You going to college, you going to this, you know what? Like, damn, I could do that too, but I want to do this. I had parents that would, I still have parents that would support anything I chose to do. My, like anything, my dad would. No, we had that talk. Your mom's hung up on you. Well, what I support. Like if I said I wanted to be a recording artist, my dad would build me a studio. Like they would support anything I wanted to do. The issue is that I have a fear of loss of security. So I will always go with the safe option because I'm terrified of losing security. Yeah. But how many times in your life have you been scared of something, a moment, not knowing whether it's work, whether it's moving, whether it's, and you be like, damn, how am I going to get out of this? And then you look up and that shit was five years ago and you perfectly fine, you straight. It happens, it happens a lot. I think that only, I'm not gonna say, listen, and I don't want to sound fucked up, baby D, but I'll be feeling like niggas that's like just fucked up. Bro, that's you. You a fucked up nigga. You a piece of shit, bro. Let's just keep it a thousand. It's you. Yeah. Cause I feel like if you somebody that's like, cause we all been in position like, damn, I'm fucked up, rent, dude, car note, damn, how the fuck I'm a, I gotta move out. I gotta find a new spot. Damn, they just fired me in my job. I gotta get a new job. You always in a position where you like, you don't know what's next. Not once did I end up sleep on the train, is all I'm saying. No. I'm just saying. And I've been a position. You're very blessed. For sure. Hamduli law. I am, right? But I feel like when you see the ones out there, it's like, bro, you know why I say this? Perfect example. This kid I grew up with right on my block. So my neighborhood was co-op buildings, right? So you know, co-op buildings is nice. Like you got a, you got a, you own the apartment, you know what I'm saying? This is a whole like board. The building is always clean, nice, right? Family had money. Bro, he's sleeping in the bank, strung out all drugs. And he grew up, he had everything. That's a choice. I feel like his family got tired of helping him. They was helping him, giving him, he getting high doing that stuff. That is a choice. That's you. That ain't because your circumstances is fucked up. It's you. Your circumstances became fucked up because people was like, yo, cut him off. We're not fucking with him no more. But all it takes is for you to try one drug one time and you got an addictive personality and you have ruined your life. But I know people that have addictive personalities that are drug addicts, they ain't sleeping in the city bank. You know what I'm saying? They still get up, they function in addicts. I know a couple function addicts. You see what I'm saying? They get up there like, I gotta go to work because I need to support my habit. Whatever it is, I need to support my habit. You still a hustler. I respect anybody that's working to support their habit. It's a level of respect that I'm always gonna have for that. Cause you ain't asking nobody for nothing. You getting up going to work. You ain't taking nobody's shit. You like, yo, listen, I'm gonna wake up, go to work. So when I get off, I'm going to get a bag and I'm gonna get high. And the next morning, rinse and repeat and going back to work again. Cause I want to keep getting high. Listen, bro, I'm not judging you. But when you got people that you see that just like strung out on it, it's like, bro, you probably came from a, cause like I said, I know people that came from good families that held them down. It just got to the point where they was like, yo bro, we not, he's a fuck up. Oh, she's a P.O. She still, every time we let her come live and wake up next morning, flat screen gone. We not gonna keep opening up. You know what I'm saying? Like your family gets to the point where like, it's not what we can do about it for her. Yo, we try to get her help, but we try to get them help. Like even watching Lamar Odom doc, it was crazy because it was something that he said in there where he was like, did basketball help his addiction or did it, it was something he said to it was like, did it allow for his addiction to grow? And that's real because you become successful sometimes and a whole different world opens up to you. It's like, damn, have I always been an addict? I just didn't have the lifestyle to support it. The freedom. You get what I'm saying? So it's that part of it too. People become successful and then find out their addicts. They're addicted to something. Whether it be, you can start off being addicted to money and then you're addicted to attention, addicted to fame, addicted to women, sex, then it turns into drugs and this that and third. And now you in the city bank sleep on the floor with your ass out. Stank. Stanking up the whole lobby. I'm just trying to go get my money. Yeah, it's real shit, baby. Do you have it? Yeah, I guess. I feel like we all know a fuck up or two. At one point I was terrified I was a fuck up. Because my trajectory didn't look the same as so many other people. Baby, you're 22 years old. What was your trajectory? I am not 22. Okay, you want me to tell you a real age? No, no, no. I was trying to give them your... But y'all keep making me younger. Nobody's ever gonna believe you. So what was your trajectory? So because I... The average millionaire becomes a millionaire. What, 40 something years old? Something like that? Yeah. It is an average. So what you want to trajectory? Your trajectory is still trajectory. I'm telling you when I was younger, you have to understand I dropped out of college at first because I just had shit going on personally at home that I had to handle. I couldn't focus on school. So I would see my friends graduate and they're going on, they're being nurses, they're being lawyers, they're being... And I'm over here bartending. And bartenders make decent money. You know what I'm saying? But it's like... You gotta be showing that. You don't know. The balloon knot. I was at a restaurant. Yeah, show the balloon knot. Now watch how much you counted then. I don't fuck with you, baby. They'll follow you. I just felt like a fuck up. Because just typical nine to five jobs just didn't work for me. They didn't work with my ADHD. I didn't feel comfortable. I didn't get along well with people. Like I was good at school, but just typical nine to five shit just didn't work for me. And I really did feel like a fuck up until I discovered that I was meant to be a creative and that you can really make money off of your creativity. But in your personality, which was something that I wasn't used to, but yeah, I was terrified. I was a fuck up. That's a real fear. I guess that's what makes me not a fuck up, right? Cause fuck ups don't really care about being fuck ups. They just kinda like fuck up in peace. Yeah, fuck up. Fuck ups don't know their fuck ups too. That's just, they just life is freestyle. And they just like, oh shit, I ain't know I was a piece of shit. I feel like you gotta know. Baby D, a lot of them do not know. That's just life to them. They don't know that they failed. They don't know that. I'm telling you, like everybody that's a failure does not know that they are a failure. Or it's everyone else's fault. A piece of the yes, everyone else's fault. Yeah. Like you ever see the entitled pen handler? New York, yo bro. Yo, New York, yeah. It's some pen handlers like, yo, they will square up. They're like, yo, you don't hear me talking to you? What? They get right here, yo, you don't hear me. I know you got your AirPods on, you don't hear me? Like I'm fucked up. Can I get something? Yeah. They'll call me a bitch in a heartbeat. That's what I started saying. I'll be like, I don't have any cash on me, but I'll pray for you. I had to start saying that. No, you should be like, no, they should be like, bitch, fuck you. I know you got money. Yeah, you can't say you're gonna pray for a pen hand, little. I do tell them I'm gonna pray for you. They're gonna end up on Worldstar, don't do that. I always tell them, I don't have any cash, but I'll pray for you. They're all they're about to help me go get this Popeyes? Like what you, pray for me. I'm hungry now. They usually say thank you. Well, that's a, that's a grateful. Me and Pete's bought some, then we buy some KFC. Oh no, it was, she was a Dollar Tree. No, she was gonna go to KFC, but she was like, you know what, I could actually take this money and go to Dollar Tree and get more meals. Remember? Yeah, we gave her some money. Me, Pete, drunk. She was a Dollar Tree. Cause she said she could get more. We were gonna get her food from KFC, cause we were next door to KFC. And she was like, actually I could take this money and go to Dollar Tree and get twice as much what she was right about. Did she look homeless or she was like down on her luck? She looked like down on her luck. Oh, so she probably was gonna get some groceries. Yeah. In Dollar Tree. See? She's gonna give her a fish or teach her how to fish. See? She take that money, but she did what my man said. She went and got the Salisbury steaks. Mm-hmm. She went and got it. Tomorrow, no, it's not funny. She went and got the Salisbury steaks from Dollar Tree. Yeah. Fuck that KFC. I got a food for two weeks. And Bigs makes a movie, if they make a movie about Bigs life, you gonna let him use your likeness? My brother? Yeah. Yeah. If you wanna put me, my likeness in the movie. What if they ain't trying to break you off, no? No, that's all good. My brother? Really? I'm not tripping. I'm gonna tell him to pay me for my wife. Okay, so what if he die in the owners of his estate? Who owns the estate? I would hope it would be one of us. No, maybe it's his wife. Oh, yeah, she got. Or Jay-Z. Maybe you don't even know he signed it over to Rockefeller. Jay got enough bread. Jay run that, run that, run that. We need that bread. Yeah, you gotta pay me. We run that, run that. So, it's coming out. This has been a rumor for a while. It's coming out that Janet Jackson is left out of the Michael movie because she did not wanna sign over rights to her likeness for it. I'm not gonna lie, this has put a big damper on me about the movie because that was the part of the movie I was looking forward to, honestly, as a Janet fan. And I don't wanna see no movie about Michael without Janet being in it. Now, I bought my tickets already for this Michael Jackson movie. I bought them at two different theaters because I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna be feeling like going to this one or going to the city. So, I just bought tickets at two different theaters. I obviously grew up a huge Michael Jackson fan, a huge Jackson family fan. And I did hear about Janet being left out of the movie. I don't know. Now, if I saw something with Janet was saying, don't support it, don't go watch it. I wouldn't go watch it. I wouldn't go watch it because if Janet is saying that, it's a reason that she's saying that. On the business side, they didn't do what they were supposed to do. They didn't take care of the Jackson estate like they were supposed to or whatever. But Janet not being mentioned or in the movie at all is a little crazy. They can probably mention her, but they can't show her. They can't show somebody. They can't show somebody. They can't show somebody. Yeah. Yeah, so if they doing it like that where it's like, cause it is the movie, it's just so hard to tell the Michael Jackson story without Janet anywhere in that story. She's such a huge part of the Michael Jackson story. So however the directors and producers wrote the film and whatever they did to kind of get around that. Again, if Janet didn't come out saying don't support it, then I'm definitely going to see this movie. This is a big part of my childhood. Looking forward to them telling the story and seeing how they told the story. Looking forward to his nephew acting and depicting his uncle. Just a lot of variables. I'm like, it's interesting. I would want to go. I just thought they will kill you. Terrible. I'm going to see Michael. I'm going to see Michael. The internet seems to agree with you that they will kill you. Everybody's terrible. That shit is the worst movie I've ever seen in my life. And I've seen a lot of bad movies. It's worse than, what was the one with Tray Song's and Paula Patton's baggage claim? It's worse than that? That was the worst movie I've ever seen. The worst movie I've ever seen. That was the worst movie I've ever seen in my life. I don't even think I saw that. Paula Patton, Tray Song's. Baggages? Has it caused baggage claim? Yeah. Mm-hmm. It was on 2B? Well, no, it was in the theaters. It's on 2B now, but it was in the theaters. I don't think that was bad. Oh, wait, was that where she, her family was like at a beach house? I don't even remember. Paula Patton's? I don't even remember. That's how bad we were. Yeah, no, I don't think I saw that movie. But yeah, no, they will kill you. It was terrible. But yes, if I could go see They Will Kill You, I'm going to see the Michael movie. Yeah, I'm about to order my Penny Lofas. Socks. I'm going to get the glitter socks and all of that. Who you going with? I don't know. I just bought a bunch of tickets. I thought it was going to be sold out. I thought it was going to be sold out everywhere. So I went online and I was like, oh, shit, they got, you can buy the tickets now. When does it come out? April 24th, so two weeks from now. Two Fridays from now, yeah. So I'll let you know, definitely, we can go check that. I'll let you know. Maybe like, I'm going to let you know. No, I'm going to let you know what theater I'm going to go to. I bought a couple tickets for each theater. Two different theaters. One up by where I live and then one here in the city. Because I was like, I don't know if I'm going to feel like going to the city or, you know, whatever. So his daughter, Paris Jackson has said that she was not involved because it's not accurate. She said the movie is not accurate. So Michael's daughter wasn't involved. Yeah. So Michael's sister wasn't involved and his daughter. I don't know, baby. I don't think we're supposed to go see this movie. I mean, I'm going to go see it. I ain't a lot. I'm just saying it feels like Paris ain't fucking with it. Janet ain't fucking with it. I don't know, baby. It just feels like we're supporting the colonizers with this one. Paris Jackson says that panders to his fandom. It's not accurate to his real life. It just panders to his fandom, which makes sense. I don't think we're supposed to go see this. I ain't going to lie. I think I think we're going to regret this in a couple years going to see this. I think we're going to get the real story behind it. Like, Janet going to sit down one day in her dock and start talking about this shit. We go like, damn, we supported that. I'm going, though. I got to see it. Yeah, I don't go fuck. Because if I don't go see the theaters, I'm going to watch it when they're streaming. Very true. You know what I'm saying? 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So even having this conversation from an interview with her is crazy. 10 minutes of absolute amazing sex, or 45 minutes in mid? Not mid, okay, okay, sex. Nah, give me that 10, because that 10 could feel like 45. You ever had crazy sex and you look at the clock, you're like, that was only six minutes? We done did 12 positions in six minutes. Yeah, give me 10 minutes of some fire. But four plays included in that. Four plays included in the 10? That's fine. That's fine. You're a man, I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. That's fine. You're a man, I shouldn't have asked a man this question. 45 minutes of mid sex is crazy. Not mid, okay, it's okay, it's good. It's okay. It's good. Like it's good, like your orgasm from it, like it's good, it's just not mind blowing. But it's good. It's some shit you would do again. 45 minutes of good sex. Not amazing, just good. Or 10 minutes of some. Mind blowing. 10 minutes of mind blowing sex. No, I need that 10 minutes though. Who you thinking about? And why you staring off in the space like that, my dog? Cause I'm just thinking like 10 minutes of mind blowing sex versus 45 minutes of just. I think it depends though. It depends, all right, it depends. Cause you like, okay, let's add this thing. You really like shorty. The 45 minutes, you really like her. Oh no, give me that. Give me that 45. Let me take my time. You think it's amazing from a booger wolf? First of all, I'm not having sex with a booger wolf. I'm way past those years as an old. Okay, so 10 with somebody you don't really fuck with like that. She cute, but you don't fuck with that girl like that. You can't wait for her to leave. After the 10 minutes you kill. 45 minutes of just somebody that I like, she a baddie. She fine. But the sex is cool. Nah, give me that 45. Cause I don't really, like what I need for sex, like what she, she don't, she don't like, she is just not like, what's making it not, what's keeping it from being mind blowing? It's just, it's not mine. It's just not mind blowing. Like it's cool. That's cool. But I like her. But you like her. Yeah, give me 45 minutes. Okay. Yeah, give me 45. Cause I could take my time with her, you know what I'm saying? I like her. So I enjoy looking at her, enjoy watching her, enjoy seeing her naked. Yeah, give me 45 minutes of that. Okay. 10 minutes of mind blowing sex is dope though. But if you saying I don't really like her like that and I'm not really like, yeah, now give me that 45 minutes. It's good to know that men still care about liking women. That sets my heart ablaze. Well, me, some of these niggas don't. No. Let's be clear. Some of these dudes I do not like y'all at all. For me, yeah, if I like you like that, I'm like, yeah, give me, let me take my time with that. Put that in the crackpot. It's my dog. Yeah, let me slow, let me slow roast that thing. You know what I'm saying? Look at that balloon knot a little bit. Okay, Ryan, do we have voicemails? Make it white. Please. You've got mail. Hey y'all, shout out to the pod. I'ma just keep it brief. But this is a message for all the gay niggas. Whether you're out, whether you're closeted, as a gay nigga myself or a slightly sesty, I think we're at a period where it is comfortable for people to come out and be themselves. But at the same time, y'all ain't gotta hide it no more. Cause the more y'all hide it, the more shit gets revealed. So this is in the shot at anyone in particular, but if y'all know any gay niggas out there, provide a comfortable space for them to come out. He's shooting at somebody. He's shooting at who? Somebody he know that's that's DL listening to this podcast and he know they listen. I respect it. I understand them like, yeah. That nigga said once he says I was a gay nigga myself, I said, he's spitting. He didn't even be a funny. Well, I knew he was gay when he first started talking. Ma. I'm just being honest. Ma. I'm just being honest. I heard the, it's the texture, it's the tone. What texture is it? It's just like, yeah. Hey, so I have a, I was like, nigga, is this, who is this? And then when he said as a gay, I'm like, oh, okay. Now we're all right. You know what I'm saying? Like so, yeah. I mean, but it's nothing wrong with that. You know, I just, I just, I can hear it. I can hear the, it's the, it's like, cause you know, like gays have this, it's a posture. So everything is kind of like, it goes here. You learned this at vocal class for sure. It's the soft palate. It's the soft palate. I'll trajectory do projection. I'll do. So when it, when I heard that, I was like, oh no, this is somebody that got the straight back. You know, the straight backs where they just like, they look like they on a hoverboard all day. So yeah. So I heard it. And then once he confirmed it, it's like, okay. So my shit is still, my spidey sense is still working. But I agree with him. I think that, you know, you should, it's okay. Like why are you still, we said, we talk about that. Like people being on the download, why? It's 2026. Like somebody, it's weird to be down low now. Yeah. That's where it's fuck. You know what I'm saying? Like now we're in the era of it's being weird when you're not openly gay. Yeah. Gay things is looking at you like, uh, Yeah. What's wrong? Like, fam, what you doing? Like it's, it's okay. Like we're accepted everywhere now. We're like visa accepted internationally. I don't know about the Midwest. Like if they really fuck with gay people. Shit. Like the Midwest. Shit. That's where they at. Really? The Marys. The Midwest? They in Kansas, Peach? Peace out. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. They in Kansas, not yet. Yo. They definitely in Kansas. 100%. Approximately 2.9 million LGBTQ adults live in the Midwest. Ohio and Illinois are home to some of the largest populations where Chicago recognized as a major LGBTQ hub. Yeah, they out there. That's why they be so aggressive out there mad and shooting all the time. Cause they gay? Yeah, just being open. What's been said angry niggas be gay animals? Angry niggas be. Saying they fight and saying they fight and even if you really fight about sexuality. I know who he talking about. He talking about the overly aggressive, always angry, ready to fight. Don't do, listen. They want some dick. Get overly aggressive when I want some dick too. Yeah, cut this shit. Like you cut, we know it's okay. You gay, it's fine. You ain't gotta shoot the cook out up. Like niggas just go be with your boyfriend. Like you gon' fuck up our good time. Cause your boyfriend, you and your boyfriend be fit. And nobody know you got a boyfriend. So you can't tell nobody that you and your boyfriend be fit. So now you shooting up the spade tournament. Come on with this shit man. Go be gay. Y'all niggas go be gay though. Nobody cares, go be gay. We got any new music coming out this one. Weekend Ryan. Oh, DJ Khaled coming out with us. He must be coming out with an album if he coming out with a single. Well, he's definitely coming out with an album. But obviously he thought he had two Drake songs and he no longer does. So he had to kind of recalibrate and do that. So he is dropping a one of them song with future little baby that is out tonight. Well, obviously we're recording this Thursday. So this comes out tonight. Lil TJ, first time. This is what I'm telling you. I don't think none of this is real. I think all of this is rollout. I don't know something about this. I think niggas are shooting a nigga for a rollout these days. Like really shooting a nigga for a rollout. That's a fact. Lil TJ coming out with a song first time tonight. Isaiah Rashad, interesting voicemail. Isaiah Rashad coming out with a single. I'm just saying the universe will allow for the space to open up and create the comfortability. Shout out to Isaiah Rashad. That's our God. We support Isaiah. Same shit. Tonight, Snoop, 10 till midnight album. We in a Snoop album tonight? What do we think that sound like? That sound, I don't know. That sound like Central Seduction Snoop. 10 till midnight. I ain't going to lie. That sound like, yeah, he might be getting this R&B Snoop. The official track was dropped. Who he got on that thing? Okay. Pharrell, Swiss produced. Okay. Richard Pryor. Oh, okay. Peezy. Trinidad. Trinidad James. Shout out to Trinidad James. October London. Oh yeah, this feels like R&B. Well, now you got Eric Cernan producing on there. Rick Rock. All right, I ain't okay. We got to see what Snoop doing. I wasn't looking forward to a new Snoop album. I wasn't on my vision board for 2026, but I ain't mad at it. I ain't mad at it. His last one I wasn't mad at when we were playing it. Yeah, check out Snoop 10 till midnight tonight. Bossman D Lo. Look D Lo, we just finished talk. Look how the, I'm just saying the universe has a way of showing itself to you. Bossman D Lo, Chicken Talking Bastard. That's not like it's gonna be a fire. That is an interesting, I wanted to, you know what, I wish I could have been in the boardroom when they would like market in this album. Chicken Talking Bastard coming out at midnight. I would have just had some pushback on the title, but okay, that's just me. Money Man, shout out to Money Man, break the rules or stay broke. I like Money Man. I like that title, break the rules or stay broke. Hello. I like that, shout out to Money Man. And also Aldo Spanish Ran, Rock, Paper, Scissor tonight as well. I'm not mad at it. Not mad at the music. Some good music tonight. I'm definitely gonna see what that call, I wanna see what that record sound like. Hopefully it don't sound like. Every other call it record? Every other future. Yeah. Call it record, like we need a different, hopefully they gave us a different vibe. So. It's gonna be hot in New York next week. So I need something to, I need something to sip a Margarita too. What's up? You was just sipping Margaritas when it was 40 degrees baby. It don't matter what degree. Yeah, but the rooftop, I'm gonna do it on a rooftop. I'm gonna take Pee's, me and Pee's gonna do it on a rooftop. We gonna play the number game, me and Pee's gonna see who can get more numbers. You can't get no more numbers than a girl, Pee's. Women get way more numbers than guys. No, but we gonna do girls though. So to make it easier for him, I'm not gonna do guys, like that's crazy, I would do girls. Who can get more numbers? That's easy too for y'all. Cause y'all exchange numbers even when there ain't no sexual thing. Like y'all just, like if I meet a random dude at the bar, he be like, yo bro, let me get your map. Get the fuck away from you. Like we kicked it here, it was cool. The game was on, we both liked the Knicks. But we ain't about to exchange numbers. That doesn't fucking mean you can't get the number. What if he wanna kick it again? Like you was- He not kicking it again. You was a good Knicks partner. We not kicking it again fam. That's why they had the male loneliness epidemic cause y'all don't like making new friends. It's a male loneliness epidemic? Who said that? The world. The fuck outta here. Knicks be lonely. Knicks do be lonely, but Knicks be pieces of shit. If you lonely, it's cause you a piece of shit. Nobody likes you. Cool Knickers ain't lonely. Okay. You ain't never seen a cool nigga that was like, yo, he lonely. But it's cool Knickers that's pieces of shit. But what type of piece of shit though? Like what type of turd, what color? Yeah. Is it like watery or is it like solid? Is he solid? Cause you could be a solid piece of shit. But if you water it's like you'll do anything. You just all over the place. But when you solid it's like, yo, fuck that nigga but he solid though. They not lonely. It's like you just know you can't fuck with him like that. As a woman, you can't take him seriously. But he solid though. He gonna make sure you get home safe. He might not call you after he hit. But he gonna make sure you get home safe. He gonna make sure you was fed. You had a good time. You gonna have a great 24 hours. He might not hear from him for a month. It happens. He ain't lonely, he just selective. It's a difference. That's you, right? That's you, right? That's you? Isn't that me? Yeah, that's you. You definitely don't be hitting bitches for a month. That's not true. See why you put that on me? You definitely don't be hitting bitches for a month. That's not true. You got a favorite that you might hear every day but it's definitely a bitch you not gonna hit for a month. That's not true. Cause you don't want her to get attached. They don't hit me either though. All right, so what that mean when I'm not hitting you and you not hitting me? Now if you hit me and I'm not responding, that's different. I'm not hitting you cause I know you don't wanna That's not true. If you wanted to talk to me, you caught me. That's not true though. But what if I wanted to talk to you? But I'm like, damn, she hit me. If a nigga wanna talk to you, he'll call you. That's true, but I'm just saying, why you can't call me if you wanna talk to me? That's too much like chasing you. See, that's what y'all go to. Y'all don't wanna feel like y'all. Okay, what's wrong with chasing somebody that you like? A man? Yeah. No. What's wrong with going after your dreams? Men don't respect. You chase your dreams, don't you? If I let you know. Do you chase your dreams? Sometimes. So then sometimes chase the man. You're not a dreamy nigga. No, no, wait, I'm a dreamy nigga. I don't know who you talking to. Let me just be dreaming about you. Ha ha ha ha ha. Let me just be telling you that you're not dreamin' about you. I love that, a lot of me. I wasn't in your dreams. That's my f- Oh, I get that all. A lot of me. Boy, I get that lie all. Cause my first thing is what I was doing. But y'all had a dream about you, what I was doing. Buying me something. Watch the lies happen. Nah, I saw you, we was at some spot. Yo, cut it out. That was not me. Now my shit be fire. My dream, the dreams I be havin' about niggas, my shit be fire. I tell niggas to be, it's colorin' in the park. Yo, don't tell me you drunk about me when we was colorin' in the park. I'm with you guys. We colorin' in the park. We had a picnic, like you went and got me Popeye. If a girl tell me she drunk about me and it's so in that dream, it wasn't fuckin', keep that to yourself. I don't wanna hear that. Don't tell me we was at a concert. Bitch, you tryin' to go see Jay-Z. Cut it out. Like, like. Yo, bitch, you said, I don't wanna hear about you. I don't wanna hear. We was like, you said it. I just had a dream about you. Where we was doin'? Yo, we was at the whole concert and cut it out. It's not happenin'. It's not fuckin' happenin'. Yo, you gotta tell me about Dan. I was a hell of a dream, wasn't it? I don't even do that. I'm gonna let yo cut this, stop the cat. You ain't takin' nobody to the Jay-Z show? Fuck no. Yo, if you fuckin' Maul right now and you can't get Jay-Z concerts, you need to keep your pussy to yourself. Yo, why you, that sound like hate, first of all. That's reality. How you tellin' Mom pussy what to do? That's crazy. What you mean? Yo, if I was, yo, if you're fuckin' Maul right, if you're fuckin' any of Biggs brothers right now and you can't get tickets to the Jay-Z show, keep your coochie to yourself, dawg. That's wild ass. Fuck. If you fuckin' anybody from Rockefeller, Rot Nation, Rot Marciano, any of those tickets, and you can't get Jay-Z concert tickets, keep your coochie to yourself for the rest of the summer. I hate dawg, I hate the lie. That's crazy. That's kinda like crazy. Cause y'all can't take everybody, y'all can only take the favorite. Y'all can't take everybody. Yo, that is some funny shit. And you not taking Rory. So who you taking? Rory goin'. Yeah, but you not taking Rory, so who you taking? No, I'm goin' by myself. I'm goin' by myself, I'm not taking nobody. Can you take me? I'm goin' by myself. I just said what I was doin'. Maul is going by himself to experience a night of Jay-Z at Yankee Stadium. You can't take me? You can't take me? I'm goin' by myself. That's crazy. I just told you what Maul's plans are. I'm goin' by myself. That's crazy. Oh man. All right, well what you doin'? Are you better go out or tell? Yeah, I gotta go to Syracuse for my little sister's birthday. Shout out to Tylan. Shout out to Tylan, little sister. Happy birthday. Yeah, so I'm goin' to take her to dinner. So. They got restaurants at Syracuse? Boy, fuck you. Yes, they got nice restaurants. We have a big Italian community, a big Irish community. We have good food up there. Why don't you go to the Italian community? Italian food? Yeah. Some of my favorite. All right, well have fun till they find Syracuse. So what's up? Tell little sister we say happy birthday. I will. Nothing but love. And we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe, be blessed. I'm that nigga. That's baby D. Peace. No, warrior, no. This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.