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Yeah, as an aside, I just want to say, I think I've said it before, the Anthropological Museum in Mexico City is world class. Yeah, that's on my list. It'll happen next time for sure. It's great for that very reason, because there's so many ruins just built right over and preserved in that way. I mean, think about it. Mexico City is one of the most densely populated cities on the planet. And people were walking over a beheaded skeleton every day until the late 90s when they excavated it. You know? Yeah. So, yeah, you said that boy, did you say he was holding whistles or did you just say he was holding something? I said musical instruments, but yeah, there you go. They're whistles. Whistles. I mean, you could have guessed that from the title, right? But these whistles are special whistles. First of all, they're kind of tiny. But if you look closely, they had a skull engraved on them. And what they think this whole thing represents is the kind of union or combination between Ehecatl and Mclanticulti. These are two gods. Mclanticulti is the Aztec god of the underworld and death. Ehecatl is the Aztec wind god. And you put them together, you get two very powerful gods. And they think that's what these death whistles that the guy was holding symbolized. Nice job on those pronunciations. I really looked it up. Yeah. And dude, you should see how many mispronounced words there are that they just sound so confident. There one there a festival called Toshcatl T you have no idea how many like how it pronounced videos say Toxcoddle It not Toxcoddle Yeah it pretty disappointing the amount of wrong stuff out there Yeah. And if you're not sure how to pronounce something, don't make a video telling other people how to pronounce something. Yeah. I mean, we mispronounce stuff on this show, worldwide show, but we don't tell people we're pronouncing it right. Exactly. This isn't like how pronunciation works. Come on. So this is the Aztec death whistle, those two whistles this guy had. If you do a little research, you're probably going to see stuff about how they were used to terrify enemies in battle, like they all play them at once. But what we think we've come down to, thanks to, you know, the study of a lot of people, but especially this one guy, Arnd Both, who is a music archaeologist, is that these things probably were a little more ceremonial. Right. and maybe used to help guide the spirit in the afterlife. So this dude, I don't know if he's a doctor or not, but both is his name, like I said. It's very cool. He examines ancient musical instruments and artifacts, tries to, in a lot of cases, rebuild them and take some good guesses on what they were used for. Yeah, which is, I'm sure, way harder than you would think. Yeah. So those two death whistles were excavated in the late 90s, I think just a couple years later in the aughts. Did you say Booth? I said both. Both. He was the first person to actually play them, these things that were hundreds and hundreds of years old, that a skeleton had been holding for God knows how long, well, hundreds of years. And he apparently didn't. He was like, these suck. These are terrible death whistles. Yeah, it was a little underwhelming. It didn't make the big frightening noise they might have expected. So he did CT scans on them, rebuilt them larger, like, you know, exact replicas. And he found that they were an air spring whistle. So the Mayans had come up with these in 700 to 800 CE. And you blow air through this intake tube, and it reacts with a spring of air inside this chamber and distorts the sound. then you can cup your hand over the bottom like a lot of wind instruments and change the tone and stuff. But it's completely its own thing. It's not like any other Western wind instrument. Yeah, they were only made in pre-Columbian America. They are very specific. And spring, in this case, is not like a coiled spring. It's like a spring of water that you get delicious water from, right? That's right. So, like I said, there's a big—oh, wait, we'll just take a break. How about that? Yeah, we'll be right back. hi this is joe interesting host of the spirit daughter podcast where we talk about astrology natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. 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I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, a.k.a. Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all? NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, Chuck, so I said there's a big, strong connection, as I was saying before, before we broke, between the wind god, McLanty-Colti, and E. E. Cottle, and I wasn't lying, there's written proof that shows that I'm correct. That's right. It's written in a pre-Columbian document called the Codex Borgia, and it is a manuscript. It's illustrated, and it shows, it's got a lot of stuff in there. It's got history. It's got like some of the things they were studying, like botany, the stars, and it's got a great, big comprehensive list of their pantheon of gods. And the top-notch mushroom soup casserole recipe. It might, for all I know. I can't tell anymore. So, Mictlantikulti and Eicadol, I just like saying them now. I know. Now that I can say them correctly. Yeah. They're back-to-back, arms crossed, like local news anchors. Did they invent that? I think so. Oh, God. Both looking at you, the viewer, Almost with a sassy kind of look on their face. And they're guarding the underworld together. So these guys are definitely connected in the Aztec pantheon, which goes to support that that's what those death whistles are kind of symbolizing. These two gods together that in one interpretation, at least, you could say is life and death. The god of life, the god of death. That's right. So I mentioned it may be used to kind of guide you through the spirit world. In that Aztec tradition, when someone dies, it's a pretty perilous route to get to the underworld. It takes nine years. Yeah, nine years. And there's all kinds of rituals that people in the living world do to, like, urge them on to give them strength. One example here in this case that pretty appropriate is the dead cross a large field being whipped by a wind like a really fierce wind And in that book in the Codex Borgia those winds are represented by blades by obsidian blades And those were the blades that they used to make sacrifices. You go back to this temple site where they found these whistles, and not only did they have those whistles, but there was a ceramic bowl there as well that had obsidian blades next to the body of this guy. And a little sign that said, take one, leave one. so this i mean all of this together just basically shows this is what those death whistles almost certainly were and the reason that we're and not just us but both in particular booth or both the music archaeologist is going to all this trouble is because we don't know exactly what these things were used for how they were used what they were meant to sound like we just don't know So you have to piece together all this disparate information to kind of come together. And what it ultimately is laying a pretty good case for is that these were ritual musical instruments used in a specific ritual, probably, like you said, to help departed souls across that field, that one level of the underworld. Yeah, the wind. And then also in that festival I talked about, Tochacatl, to honor the god Tetzquetlipoca. That one is pronounced like it looks. Yeah. So in 1913, there was a folklorist named Louis Spence. Nice. Who wrote, I really nailed that one, who wrote Myths of Mexico and Peru. And he described this festival. And this is sort of the key part as far as we're concerned. On the day of this festival, a youth was slain, yada, yada, yada. He carried also the whistle symbolical of the deity, Lord of the Nightwind, and made with it a noise such as the weird wind of night makes when it hurries through the streets. Yeah. And it does, I mean, there's videos online of people playing these, like indigenous musicians playing death whistles. and you can kind of get the idea of like, oh, okay, this kind of does sound like an agonized scream. There's a point to be made though that these replica death whistles, especially made by both, they're larger than the regular size. So just by that alone means they're not going to sound like the other ones will. So I think what both kind of concluded is that he's just, he's not instructed in how to play these original small death whistles that the sacrificed guy was holding. Yeah. And that he just can't do it. He said, I can't do it. He looked around at the crowd. Yeah. Yeah. The notion that they were maybe used in battle, they definitely did stuff like that with, obviously, drums, but also blowing into conch shells like the Waponi Wu, getting together. Maybe they're communicating with each other. Maybe they're just, again, trying to, like, scare their enemies. But when they ask both, like, well, what about this death whistle? he was like have you seen these things? he's like this is the size of my pinky yeah it's tiny he's like this isn't going to scare even 300 of these isn't going to scare anybody no but some drums will and a conch shell will for sure yeah so that's it death whistles probably not used in battle but almost certainly used in rituals that ended in someone's beheading that's right Chuck said that's right I think that means short stuff is that Stuff You Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
