Tracie Thoms reveals details about portraying Andy's BFF in Devil Wears Prada (and the sequel) as she analyzes the friendships in Sex and the City... (S3 E5 "Ghost Town")

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The Neighborhood starts Friday 24th of April on ITV1 and ITVX. Time to sharpen the knife again. Bring on the ding dong. Hi, I'm Kristen Davis and I want to know, are you a Charlotte? OK, great. You guys, it's exciting. We have Tracy Toms with us today. We are going to talk the Devil Wars product. Absolutely. We're also going to talk about Ghost Town. We are in season four. It's episode five. It's a cool and interesting episode written by Alan Heinberg, who you might remember, wrote the episode in season three with the comic books. Oh, Robert. He was a new kind of different voice that came in. And we're going to get him on the podcast at some point, you guys, because he's an interesting kind of a little bit of a departure that we've followed in. It really is a cool episode in that way. It's not typical in how it follows the four of you. It's true, right? It has a bit of a different vibe. Yeah, it has a little eerie vibe to it. It does. It does. And I totally forgot. I don't remember any of season four. I've told our listeners before I'm rewatching it like with totally fresh eyes. I remember kind of vague things about it, but then I'm like, wow, I forgot about the ghosts. It's cool. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah. Are there really ghosts? I mean, I think there are ghosts. Yeah. But is Miranda really hearing ghosts? Is Miranda really hearing ghosts? I don't think so. Yeah, but it's fun. Hi, there she is. Thank you, caffeine flying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK, so let me ask you your history with the show. Like, did you watch it originally when it was on? Yeah, when it was on, I think I was in grad school when it was on and I had no time. I don't watch anything. Right. And then start watching it until until like way later. But we were all very, very affected by the culture of it. So it felt like I watched it. Right. You know, I felt like. So yeah, we're all drinking our cosmos. Where did you go? Where did you? Yeah, of course. You were right there. Oh, my God. We had no time, but you were in New York. So you were. It felt like we were all in it. We were all figured out who we were. Oh, yes. You know, and yes, the the I guess of the cosmos and the Apple Martini's were very. The Apple Martini's happened a little later, but yes, I remember because this is what, you know, you drink the drink. Yeah, definitely. You know, the drink. I do know. I do know all the sugar. You survived. Julia, that's impressive. I did. I did. I just talk her down and. Got through. I don't know when you graduated, but do you know Ella Stiller? No, Ella Stiller's Ben's daughter and she's on the comeback. OK, had been on and she's younger though, right? She's younger. Yeah. She's she's she just graduated, like maybe two years ago. Oh, OK. Yeah, no, she had a lot to say about the Julia program. It's a lot. And it was different, you know, in the 90s. Yeah. Well, that was there from 97 in 2001. Got it. That's when I was there. So you were there literally this this aired 2001. Yeah. So we were filming that spring and summer and airing. So you were literally like in it. In it at this time. Yeah. Do you remember that summer as being quite glorious? Because that's how I remember it, the summer of 2001. That was the summer I graduated. Wow. So, yeah, of course, that things happened. That things happened and really changed everything. But to me, when I think of that summer, it's like in technicolor. Yeah, it's beautiful. I would go because I was doing a show when I had to school right after school in DC. Mm hmm. So go back up to New York on like Mondays and like audition for stuff and run around the city. And it was it was really beautiful then. And it and it really is so so crazy that on that day on September 11th, so we're talking about it was so beautiful. It was so beautiful. I was flying that day. Yeah. So beautiful clear skies, gorgeous. Blue sky. I know gorgeous weather. Yeah. Gorgeous weather. I had done a photo shoot the day before in the village on Jane Street. Oh, wow. Out on the street on the cobblestones. Beautiful pictures, beautiful day. I had changed my flight from the 10th to the 11th so I could do the photo shoot. It was the end of this season, right? So it was like a big season. Wow. Yeah. My third season had been like we got nominated for an Emmy and all the different things. So we were doing a lot of press. And so I had changed my my we had wrapped the season. I had changed my flight home to the morning of the 11th at 9am. With me and my big dog, my big golden retriever. We're on a plane. It didn't go well. No. Didn't go well. Yeah, it was a big day. But yeah, interesting because it seemed to me like when you see movies, you know, like not that it's like this fall of Rome, but like, you know, like the glory before the fall. That's how that summer felt. Like absolutely. Everything was extra. Everything was extra. The world was full of possibility. You know, it was exciting for us because we just graduated. Of course. It was a time and the city was sexy. It really was. Really sexy. Yeah. Sexy time. It was a really sexy city. I know it's. At that time. Oh, it's so sad to think about, but it's also like the, you know, the cycles and the ebbs and the flows. And, you know, then we did that episode that everyone thought that we had, that we were writing in response to 9-11, but we had really filmed it before. Right. But it's, and it was like seasons change, you know, and it is true. Like the city will always be fine. Yeah. You can do anything to it. It will survive. The people will survive. Yes. It is. And the time after that was very strange. And. Yeah. So the show that I was doing in DC. Is when I started watching the show. Okay. Right after that. Oh, that's nice. Did you watch it from the beginning or did you just jump in? I just kind of picked up where I was. Right, right. Where I was. It was okay. What did you think of it? It was so interesting because when I first saw it, I expected it to be a certain way. Mm hmm. Did you think it was going to be about shoes? No, no, no. Okay. No, I thought it was going to be more soapy. Oh. And less camp. Camp. You know, a little bit like funny. You feel like it's camp? Yeah. Wow. Well, Samantha's kind of camp. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. You know, she's kind of like, is this a clean show? Oh, you can say whatever you want. Okay. Like the episode I started was when she was naked on the rooftop swimming with a guy. And she's like, Samantha, Samantha, shut up and show me your dick. And I was like, oh. Oh. Oh, this is the show. That was your first episode. Oh, I understand. Shut up and show me your dick. I was like, okay. Wow. Great. Great. I don't know what I thought it was going to be. Got it. You thought it was going to be softer. Yes. Like more innuendo. Yeah, yeah. Less like real. I mean, and I know it was about sex. Obviously, it was about sex. You thought it was soapy sex. Yeah. Not like. Not like in your face. Sex. Like that. I loved it. But I was like. It was shocking. And I was shocked that I was shocked. I was like, why am I shocked? Why did. What do I think it was going to be? Also think about now, like, because I was just thinking about Samantha in terms of her kind of, you know, lack of apology for any of it. And really how rare that type of character is even now. Yeah. 30 years later. 30 years. Yeah. It's insane. And it's like every, every girlfriend group compares themselves to you guys. You know what I mean in that moment. And I'm like, moment, I'm just picking up random moments right now. Because this is a bit of a movie. You know, the big iconic moment when Big left her. Yes. And your face. Like we're all you as friends. You know, I was like, no. That was my job. Yeah. Get out. I know. Oh, that's got chills. I'm glad. Thinking about it. It's so good as an actor to be a part of something that works. You know, and Michael Patrick, who wrote and directed the movie and who is our executive producer and writer and director at this point in the show. That day that we were filming, we filmed for a long time in the library, outside the library, shut down 40th Street in between the two. It was a huge, huge thing. Right. And everyone was very nervous about, you know, the showdown at the cars when it does come and we didn't have enough flower bouquets because we've been shooting many days and they were starting to wilt. And, you know, the things that you start worrying about, right? Because she had to hit him with the flowers. So we needed flowers to be able to hit with that. But they got flying around. Exactly. And they had to fly around. So Michael set up numerous cameras all around, like on cranes, there was handheld. There was all the different things. And he basically said to me in private, like your job is to get her back to the car and stop him from coming. Right. But I didn't know what he was going to do. Right. So I didn't know what he'd said to Chris. I didn't know what he'd said to Zinn. Like we all had our own private direction. Right. And then because he decided to keep coming, I had, that was all ad-libbed. Right. It worked out so perfect. But you never know. Right. Like it's magic when it works. You know, and you're just so happy that it was coming on film. So great. That moment was so hard to get right. I see because the anticipation of it. Yeah. Yeah. After all those years. You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally, totally, totally. But it's fun to look back to. Yeah. Because like sometimes those are the things that I remember and those are the things I think about. But as I'm rewatching, there's so many different layers and moments for all these relationships and to see Aiden and Kerry back at the, in season four, where they've been broken up and then he comes back and he's got the haircut. And he's lost his weight. He's just so sparkly. Totally sparkly. So sparkly. And then Julie's gone, which apparently, who am I? Charlotte really feels strongly about the turquoise jewelry, which I did not remember any of this. Like it's all kind of entertaining. But then like Kerry, it's so sad and you really wanted to work out with them. When you're watching them because they have great chemistry and you kind of forget about big, but also they have great chemistry. Like it's kind of amazing. I give that credit to all the actors. Yeah. You know, because most of us have a big, you know, I have a big, you know. My big was nothing like that big though. My big was like not like, yeah, not like that. I mean, big was like super successful and all that, you know, came in and out. But just the one you think is the one. Yes. You know, who's who's not the one, but it's one who's like, you're trying to try to catch him, you know, right for years. Like, well, they won't. They, you know what I mean? And you know, you know, everybody has a big, not everybody, but a lot of people have a big, I think a lot of people, but, but what age and experience teaches us is that often, but big is not the one. No, it's the one after. Definitely. Usually. Or two after that's eight and exactly. Oh, and then exactly when I watch them in this particular iteration, I'm like, they need to be together. Yeah. And it's so interesting because, you know, Kerry has, she's just dreading it and dreading and dreading and going to the thing I'm not going to go. I'm not going to the bar. I need you to come to the bar and you need to come with me. You know, I'm a random Steve or so adorable. So adorable. And then he sees her and like nods at her and I'm like, it's back on. I mean, that's what it feels like. And he's back on. Also, and we're jumping around, but it's fun when they go out in the back and they have that cake. Yeah. Oh, that moment. It's so good. Sparkly. It's like the sun came out. It's also very dark and sexy. Yeah. And it's on. I think our directors, Michael Spiller, like, right. And it's so beautifully lit. Like it's his visual, you know, storytelling is, is really working on all the, all the areas at that point, but also the acting is just so incredible. Like that's mostly what I think. I also think about the writing when I, when I'm looking back, because I am kind of experiencing these episodes as though for the first time, because I can't really remember it. Right. Like I didn't even remember my own storyline. There are a lot of them. There's a long time ago. And sometimes I remember a lot and sometimes I don't. And I remember things like I remember filming in Bergdorf, where we're just laying in the bed. I remember that because it was always really fun to go film in Barney's or Bergdorf. It's like, you know, a big deal. You know what I mean? And I remember Franny, such a great actress who played Bunny. She's so wonderful. So great. And I know for me, because she as a person was basically just the opposite Bunny, like a fully different, very maternal, very caretaker, very funny and light, like totally opposite Bunny. And I know there's a scene where I'm with her in the store. And she's being like low grade, passive aggressive, you know, mean to me. And I feel like I could just see myself as an actor, like just enjoying her so much. But then also trying to be Charlotte and be annoyed. Because moments are crazy. You're like, I feel like I'm in the audience. I just bought a ticket and I'm just watching you act. You know, like I'm just in the audience. Oh, right. I have to act with you. Right. I have to remind myself. I have to do things too. I'm just enjoying her. Enjoying you so much. But then she's not, right? Like Charlotte's not. It's so interesting. But I love the the we've got. I think this is one of the ones to and in general, the season, all the storylines really work really well. Like everyone's got a good storyline. Yeah. And everybody's going through. Growing pains and I got a more mature way, I think. Yes. That's the season for. So true. You know, Samantha's trying to like, OK, now we're in the lesbian relationship. Great. Well, but not. But no. Shut up and show me your dick is not with a woman. I know. And it's not going great. It's not going great because it's not her energy at all. I mean, I understand that it would be interesting to explore if you're open to it and kind of maternal. Sometimes you're kind of like nurturing or right, but she didn't want that. She doesn't want that. Definitely doesn't want that. She doesn't want it. She's supposed to. It's not. It's like trying to put a square peg in your own home. It's not. It's not. Yeah. So it's still hilarious. So just in the tub. Let's talk. No, I don't want to talk anymore. I mean, I was I was about to jump out of my skin watching that. You know, she just like, yeah, it's just like, how do you know that your partner is not enjoying this? Totally. At all. Are you paying attention because she doesn't like this. No, I agree. I agree when I was watching it. I mean, I love the idea of her. Her Samantha trying something different and what would be different. A woman would be totally a significant relationship with a woman. Totally different, not just a thing or whatever. But also like they go to the bar and all those different guys are hitting on Samantha. And Maria is just mad. I'm like, but didn't you know who she knows who she was? Right. One voice can only do so much. But lots of voices can change the world. Whatever helping nature looks like for you. From becoming a member or helping wildlife where you live. Find your flock with the RSPB because together we fly. Act for nature now at RSPB.org.uk. The RSPB is a registered charity. 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So my Hyundai hot take for this episode, which is episode five of season four called ghost town. I'm going to have to go with when Carrie and Aiden finally talk outside the bar when they've gone to the opening of Scout. And Aiden just nodded at her and she thinks that's all she's going to get. She's like, is that all I get? And then they're outside. He's smoking a cigar, which is so odd and interesting. And then she's got cake, but she drops her fork, which I felt like was just a mistake that happened. But maybe it was in the script. I don't know. It all seems so real. And the thing that I love about it is that Carrie's so uncomfortable and obviously just kind of longing for him and feeling all her feelings. And he seems very covered, but yet their chemistry is still very much at play, but he's not really letting on how he feels, which is really interesting. And though she's like, oh, how am I going to eat my cake? And then he says, oh, I'll feed you your cake or something like that. And then she goes, oh, your fingers are all in it. And then he just kind of puts it in her mouth and then she's got frosting on her lip. But then Steve comes out and says that he has to go because they're going to do their toast. So he leaves without really showing his feelings, you know, which I think is really interesting. But you as an audience, you're aware how much Carrie's feeling and their chemistry is obviously very, very much in evidence. So that's going to be my Hyundai hot take celebrating iconic moments, bold moves and unforgettable style just like Hyundai. So wait, if you jumped in the middle when you first started, did you ever go back and watch? No. I was going to jump in wherever it if you. Wow. But when and just like that came my partner and I religiously just like that. And it made sense. And it did. Good. And it makes you know these women and they're so iconic, like, you know, the stories. Yes. Yes, that's true. You may not know all the every single detail, but it doesn't really matter. I just know who's with who and totally stuff like that. You know, care about the all the details. Yeah. I don't need it to be an order. You know, because that's good to know. Because also like because it was such a huge part of our lexicon, I was very much clear in our friend group that I was you. I was. I was absolutely you. I was absolutely my friend of that time. Now I'm more Miranda, but I was like a mix between you and Miranda. Most people were like a mix of two. Oh, definitely. Samantha. I just love Samantha and wish I could have been a Samantha, but totally not. Very traditional. I mean, it's hard to be a Samantha. Romantic girl. I was mean. Got it. Got it. Got it. You know, why would you say you're more Miranda now? Well, because Miranda's like the boss. I mean, she's like the she takes care of business. Definitely. Most definitely. Yes. She does. I mean, she takes care of her girls, but she's also not afraid to tell her girls are messing up. Like, what are you doing? You know, definitely. It's great. One of those 100% and I'm watching her do that. I didn't really realize till I was rewatching it how often she tells us the truth. Yeah, she's a she's the truth teller. She's very logical. Yeah. Non-emotional. Yeah. You know, so in that way, I'm very much like her. Got it. Especially as a good older and most likely none of this matters. You know, right? And I have like young friends who are like in their 20s or whatever. They're like, oh my God. Oh my God. This is so not important. But I understand it's important to you now. Right. In your mindset and where you are developmentally. Right. But as a 50 year old, it doesn't matter. Let's talk about the devil word part of her second. So you know, Frankel is one of our directors. I know. How's he doing? He's great. Good. I'm so excited you guys made a second. He's great. Yeah. And I didn't know for the longest time I was coming back or not. You know, that's stress. I didn't, you know, and I just had to let it go. Right. Because like the friends are like, do we think she still has those friends? Do you think? If she does have those friends, I think that's a positive thing because I think it's nice to still have those friends and to have that through line for a character. But I wasn't sure. Right. I don't think the writer was sure either. Got it. So all of a sudden it's like, okay, you're in it. It's, it's, it's like in a month and a half. Oh my God. Okay. Okay. What am I doing? Right. Who is Lily now? Right. And did you like the answers? I did. Oh, good, good, good. I did and they made sense to me. You know what I mean? It's like, cause after 20 years you're, you're probably still going to be friends with your girlfriend. I would hope so. You know, probably not still with your ex. Right. But Nate is not there in the film. They broke up at the end of the movie. He moved to Boston. Right. But yeah, but this is the first time we did it. It was just, what are we doing? Oh, it's going to be a cute rom-com situation or something. Yeah. And had no idea it would be the global sensation that it turned into. Thank God it did. It was exciting to watch. I really had no idea. I mean, I don't think anyone ever knows. And I think anytime that you're doing a female driven movie, there's always so much doubt, which is so stupid. You know, it's just never ending doubt in our business about female led projects. I mean, Merrill's been out there talking about it, which I really love. Yeah. About like how low the expectations were, how they had trouble getting funding the first time, how they had trouble getting clothes the first time, all the different things, because no one ever thinks that we're going to do well. Yeah. And then you do well. And everyone's shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Yeah. Shocked. But you know, I mean, Anne, I guess just had was known for, you know, Princess Diaries. Right. And I was like, I'm doing more kids stuff. Even though I'm not kids stuff. Right. So this was a big deal for her. I remember being very stressful for her doing it the first time. She's like, oh, God, this is my, I'm an adult. You know, and it's interesting because, you know, entourage was at the top of its fame at that time. So Adrian was the big star in the group. No way. Yeah. Entourage was happening. Yeah. So he was the one with fans trying to come up to us all the time. Oh, wow. Wow. You know, and rent had not come out yet. Right. So I remember shooting the scene in the coffee shop. I missed the coffee shop in New York. Mom, is that place? Yes. Yeah, we shot in there. The big purse scene where I'm like, well, first I should give this stuff. We shot that on the day the soundtrack dropped for rent. Oh, that's so sweet. So I was sitting there and my manager brought me the CD. He was like, he want the towel records. I got it. So it's all this like fun stuff around it. Yeah. Shooting it. These were good times. It were. It was that time. Yeah. My kids are so forever like they did rent at my daughter's high school and I was like, oh, yeah, I know rent. And she was like, what do you mean? I said, I saw rent on Broadway. I know Adina and Tay. She's like, what do you mean? I was like, you and your son. What do you mean? Walker. Walker's your son. They moved to school together. She's like, wait, they were in it? I'm like, yes, baby. Yeah. On Broadway and the movie. These are the people that we know. It's weird for them to make those leaps. Why? Because you're just mom. They actually care about. You know what I'm saying? It's interesting. But it's fun. It's fun to have that history. And I told her about going to get tickets and all the rent heads being sleeping on the sidewalk. You had to like leap over them to get to the box office or whatever. It was good times. It was a good time. Yeah. Oh God. Jesse. Oh, I love Jesse so much. Jesse is one of the best human beings that I've ever known. I agree. I agree. Incredible person. People just out of nowhere call me and just be like, try to see how someone that you know that I love you. You're great. And I'm like, thanks, Jesse. That's all. Yeah, he's a good cheerleader like support. Absolutely. Absolutely. Remember, we used to do the big Revlon run walk for breast cancer. And for some reason he was always there. He was like a mainstay and I went every year and hosted it and I would speak to the huge audience of people, survivors and you know, it was always very intense. And Jesse was always there. It was so wonderful. I don't know. I don't know when I first met Jesse. Jesse was just always there. Yeah. And such a bright light. Such a light to see. Anyway, back to Devils were proud of. So Devil Wars product two coming out very soon. Very exciting. Molly Rogers, our own Molly Rogers back in there. Getting all kind of comments on the clothes. You know, yeah. She's used to it. Yeah. She's used to it and just such a eye, you know, I mean, she put things together and I'm like, how did you see that? What happened? I know, I know. So I took in this dress. So I had this dress I tried on. Okay. And it was really lovely, flowy dress. And she's like, hmm. And I was like, I love this dress, but it feels a little. I was like, just feels a little lady. Oh. And I said, it does it. That's exactly what it feels like. It was a little lady. Okay. What if we were it as a jacket? Oh, I said, like a duster. Nice. Dressed as duster instead of late. It dresses lady. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah. So let me put on some funky pants and like a tank top and the dress open. Yeah. She has a whole creative look. Yeah. Definitely. She changes stuff up all the time. Yeah. I mean, I have a lot of Charlotte's clothes and sometimes I can wear them because the way that I would style them is so completely boring. However, she would be getting it all together. And thank God, right? So that I can just incorporate some of it into, you know, how I look, which is less exciting than how Charlotte looks. Well, you know, you can't dress like that all the time. No. A lot of times it's just, I mean, I sometimes don't watch it and whatever outfit Carrie had on that day, I'm like, that's ridiculous. I know. A big thing, you know, on your head or the thing. Totally. I mean, I would wait for the show, but I thought I would think of it in real life if I saw someone walking down the street. That's true. But in New York, you do see people. New York, you do more. I mean, you do. But I would be like, oh, it would be a thing. For sure. For sure. I mean, I would notice it. Sarah says, and I get this, that, you know, Carrie's a creative person, right? She's a writer. And so her way that she's expressing herself just on a regular daily basis is through her outfits. Yeah. Right. And I think if you, if you think about that, it does make sense. And Sarah doesn't dress like that, obviously. I mean, she dresses up when she has to, but like her regular thing, but she has like a uniform. She's very uniform. And then, but Carrie's like the opposite of that, you know, so she's a character. It always looks good, but it's like, it's a lot. If I saw it in life, I would be staring at her. Right. And no one stares at her in the show. She just walks on the street. That's a good point though. I do think when she wore that really big hat and then just like that, I do think people were actually staring at her in Washington Square Park, which is kind of funny because in Washington Square Park, there's a lot going on. It was, but that hat was, that hat was wild. All of those places and tons in between. Try our new iced cherry vanilla matcha today. Matcha at Costa, made with heart. Did you realize, so this is the final season, right? Where she's moved into the Grand Rapids. I didn't see this the last season. Oh, okay, okay. I'm still not, I'm not all the way caught up. Let me explain then. But season one. Got it. Okay. So let me explain what happens. Just the gist of it because I still think that people don't know. I have talked about it on this podcast, but I still think that it doesn't necessarily, people don't realize this. So Carrie moves in to a brownstone and Gramercy Park from the 1860s basically. And she ends up writing a historical fiction type of a novel of a woman who would have lived there in her mind, right? She starts having kind of like fantasies of this woman who lived in that house back originally. And she starts dressing in ways that are influenced by that time period. Season two? Yes, season three. Season three. This is why she wears that hat. Oh. And she ends up having dresses with subtle bustles. Okay. Under coats. This makes sense. But it's never said, right? It's just how genius Ser Jessica and Molly are at putting in detail slowly. So like as the season goes on, her, what do you call the word of like how your, oh, it's going to come to me, your shape of the dress. Her silhouette. Thank you. Her silhouette. Thank you so much. Good one. Her silhouette subtly starts to shift as the season goes on. Yeah. And some to, if you're just seeing pictures, you don't have any idea, right? Do you know what I mean? People are like, why is she wearing that? Right. And I mean, the bonnet is vague. Okay. No, no, no, not trying to say it's not, but there was a reason. Yeah. It is a reason. I think it's also really fun about it. It's really fun. Sarah could just wear these clothes, just wore them like it was completely normal. Exactly. And it's like, so you buy it. It's like, yeah. Yeah. I know, right? I'm sure you're going to walk around in Manolo's just to. Right. I mean, there are women in New York who do. There are women who do. I know. It's interesting. I'm like, always in a hill, like always in a hill. Right. I don't do it. Right. You know, a lot of people can't do it after COVID. After COVID. Yeah. After COVID. After COVID because not because they had COVID, but because we were unlocked down for so long that women weren't wearing heels. That's true. And it actually changes your shape of your foot. It's true. If you walk on a bare, bare feet or. Listen, I would, I would work and then we would not work and then we would have to go back to work and be in those shoes for 18 hours a day. And I would have a whole foot prep. Yeah. Workout with a tennis ball. Oh, wow. To get the feedback. Yeah. You have to walk around on your toes. Yeah. Like get used to it or else you're in a lot of pain. You're in a lot of pain. So I get that. And I could, this girl I follow, she's a blogger. He was lovey. She's great. Had a whole big shoe collection and after COVID. She was like, um, I need to talk about this. Wow. I cannot wear my shoes anymore. She's not rid of her shoes? I can't wear them anymore. What happened? And then a podiatrist jumped in and was like, this is what's going on. You're not making it up. Your feet actually spread. What? When you don't wear heels all the time. If you go months with that, if you're wearing heels all the time and you go months without wearing them, your, the shape of your feet changes. So she had to sell all her shoes. Now she's like a sneaker head. I probably need a podiatrist to look at my feet. She's a sneaker head now. So for her. Yeah. She's like, I'm doing sneakers now. I'm selling my shoes. But it was fantastic. It was so enlightening. So now when I have a vent or something like that, and I mean, because you always want to wear a heel, it's, there's a moment. There's a, it was like a minute where it's like, I'm fine. I'm not fine. Fine. Fine. Fine. Fine. I'm not fine. I've had those moments. Saw my feet off. Call the car. I have had those moments too. It's hard. They get numb after a while. But that's horrible. I hate that. I hate that. Are you going to go out and do the, the, all the stuff in the premier? I'm going to the premier. I'm going to the premier. I'm going to the premier. Cool. In your, yeah. Yeah. And I'm doing things like this. Fantastic. We're so happy to have you. How do you feel? Do you feel like people are going to like the storylines and everything? I think so. I think people are excited. It really makes sense. Like a friend of mine was really good at like writing stories. I said, what do you think the story is? What do you think would make sense? And it was almost exactly what they said. Oh, interesting. What I think is probably this is happening. That's really close. Cool. So it just said to me that it, it really does make sense and logical sense. What, what will be happening with these folks now? I just love to see the anticipation and the appetite because we need more movies like these. And I do think it can open and be at theatrical experience, which now the whole thing is like, is it worthy of going to the movie theater? And yes, the answer is yes. I really need to support. Like I will be by tickets. I will be by tickets already. There's a little pan bag that's popcorn. It holds a popcorn. Oh my God. No, that is adorable. Yeah. It's like the provost. I know it's AMC, no Disney or something like that. We need to investigate. There's a little handbag. It holds popcorn. It's a little red handbag for the popcorn. This is a great idea. I know. I'm like, this is real. There's key chains. Wow. There are red shoes. No way. Thank you, Easton. That's so cute. We love it. We love it. I know. I need to get one and do the gaming game with that. With the bag. I mean, 100%. I want one too. If you think about it, we need to go to the AMC to see the devourist product too so that we can get ourselves a popcorn handbag. Popcorn handbag. I'm down with it. Okay. It's such a good idea. Right? Yeah. Gosh, we should have come up with that idea, but I'm glad. I'm glad that is for you guys. I'm very excited. I'm super supportive of this film and I can't wait to see it. Thank you. I'm very, very happy. I can't wait to see it either. I think it's going to be fun. It's a cast of thousands. That's okay. There's so many people in the movie. Well, they kept adding people. There's so many amazing people. in the movie, the table read was like. Different people would show up. Molly would be like, I know. I just had the feeling. I know, I know. But it was really weird being there in the table reads because there we were, everyone's nervous. Yeah. I thought it was just me, you know, Meryl's nervous, you know what I mean? And she's like, oh, I didn't get the script downloaded last night, you know, so she's going to that thing. And it's like, I can't eat anything. I just can't, I just can't, my stomach's too upset. It's a lot of pressure. And you know, and Emily's there like, just, you know, we're looking at each other like, it's been 20 years and look at us. And day one of shooting, the first day of shooting, the first shot was me and Ann. Oh. Right? Day one where they're like, here we go. You know, and the camera guys are the same. No way. Yeah, like the whole crew's the same. Oh, that's nice. It was really amazing. I'm so glad. It really was. That's so nice. That's so nice. When we went back to work, we did not have the same camera crew because everyone is a very big deal now. Which is good for them because they deserve to be because they did incredible work. But I was like, wait, I thought they would all come back. Now you've made me. You don't even. Right, I know. But we had a great crew who came back. Who came, you don't even know. It's amazing. There's a lot of incredible people out there who do our job. Thank God. All right, let's talk about the show. So here we are. We're back with our show, Ghost Town. So in this episode, it's about being haunted by your exes. But Miranda also thinks that she might have an actual ghost, which is kind of funny and I'd forgotten all about it, but she's in bed alone with her cat. And she said to the girls the next day that her cat, Fatty, is the cat's name, which I'd also forgotten, heard the ghost as well. Yeah, I looked up. Right, the cat's all like looking around. And then she says, she tells the girls later that she got the super to let her in upstairs and then no one's living there. Yeah, no one's living there now. And they kind of play slightly eerie music. And it's like a whole different vibe for our show. And I really enjoyed it. But I also didn't remember it. So I was like, what is going to happen? But it's really just about the emotional memory of the exes, I think. Yeah, yeah. And it really does feel like you're haunted by your ex. It does feel that way. You know, when you, I remember all feeling haunted by my exes in the past. Like I wouldn't go to certain places. I was so afraid that they were going to be there. Well, in New York especially. And it was going to remind me of the time when we were there together. Of course. So a couple of restaurants were haunted for me for a while. And I finally had to like exercise them and go. Well, certain blocks can be too. Cause you know where they walk and where they live and you have to avoid those blocks. That's awkward. I hate that. Yeah. I was always happy when either I moved away or they moved away from New York. You know, because like in LA you're in your car so you don't have exactly the same way. You might have a restaurant worry, right? But you don't have the block, the neighborhood. Yeah, the neighborhood that you have in New York. Big time. From the subway every day together. Totally. So stressful. So stressful. There was this one Brooklyn neighborhood that I always had back in the olden days pre-show. I dated someone who had a like a brownstone I guess or part of a brownstone in this one neighborhood in Brooklyn. And I, oh, I didn't know Brooklyn at all. I had no reason to go to Brooklyn back there in the olden days. But this was, it was really nice. And I was like, wow, this is very nice. You know, my naive self. This would be like 1990 maybe. And then later on when we were doing it just like that, my kids and I went and lived in Brooklyn and I was like, is he here? Right. And I had to go for a week. I had to go for a week. He's long gone, okay? He's moved, you know what I mean? Intellectually I know this, but it just really feel like they're around the corner. They're gonna turn the corner and they're gonna be staying right there. It's gonna be horrible. It's gonna be horrible and you're gonna be like, you know, and it's, yeah. You guys, this is so much fun that we are gonna have to have a part two. So join us later in the week on RUS Charlotte. This is an I Heart podcast. 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