Mark Normand Might Just Be Norm Macdonald Light

Well that was an LA version so we kept it a little queefy for you. I know you're old and tell you We feel I'm gonna look that out. I get that all the time. You know you're so you're no norm You know you're like norm light your norm but bad Engage yourself for you taking me that advice. No not yet later. Yeah, but they're just going around the moon They're not letting them on the moon, which I thought was messed up But it might hurt the property value and then I said of course to make the black guy do a drive-by and And I say let him on the moon. I want to see that guy jump. Can you imagine that moon jump? Uh, then I call it moon team So we had some good time Dana mark norman who is a very funny comic, uh, not on every single person's radar yet, but that's what we like to do Get someone like you did with shane get him a little early And pre stadium. Yeah pre stadiums He's always consistently funny. Uh, when I see him do quicksets or on instagram or Uh, just talking to the dude. He's got a great sort of norm mcdonaldie vibe. Uh, we'll talk about his love of norm Yeah his love of stand-up And also he does a podcast called we might be drunk with samaral is another great comic. So Two of them are out there killing it and he was a lot of fun and just a lot of jokes a lot of laughing and we really Kind of dug deep with him too Yeah, you talk about the uh, because he really writes a lot of jokes per minute and bought a punch lines per minute And the pressure to keep coming up with material Yeah, little shorties. Yeah, we probably got three jokes every minute. You're right. And it's just hard to Fill an hour on stand-up And then I think we talked about doing a special and how How much of that can you still use and you know, how do you rotate it and new stuff? Inside baseball or what it's like to be a touring stand-up comic Um, it was a pleasure to hang out with him ladies and gentlemen enjoy Mark norman Mark norman, mark norman is our guest we start right away mark. All right, let's do it. We were halfway through All right, so this isn't a we might be drunk marathon. We're there for an hour five great How long are your how long are your podcasts and we might be drunk? Well, we drink a lot so they can go from an hour to two and a half. It gets pretty sloppy Do you really drink when I was there? Did you drink? Well, that was an la version. So we kept it a little queefy for you. I know you're old and deli Thank you. Yeah, queefy. I'm gonna look that up. Wait. I know I'm old and what? Delicate Yeah, yeah, you don't want to hurt me Mark norman, I was telling you such a riveting story like if you do a podcast We might be drunk which I've done and I actually like I didn't know because I'm frail and brittle Uh that you were delicately leading me through a 22 minute podcast for my own safety But I don't drink in the day. Anyway, that's from I barely drink at night. Why not? Because I'm a fucking post dude I used to be able to but god dang It is bad. It leads to horrible things. You tend to up skipping the night and just drinking and going to bars. So Day drinking is is evil. Don't do it. Yeah, do you when you drink? Do you I don't mean to cut. I won't cut you. I'll cut you off 30 more times I know zoom is tough I appreciate that you had offered to come in when you were in town. It was very nice And then I was trying to find you I was in New York through the night And I saw on my stupid instagram. It's like Mark norman is doing his high jinks at gut busters. I'm like, why am I seeing this? And then I go, oh, he's in new york And then it scrolls down. He's also doing flim flams. He's also doing beat bops And I go, oh, he's not gonna have time to do anything. You're like the new york guy going boom boom boom, right? Oh, yeah Well, yeah, I gotta I run around like a psycho because uh my jokes are short So I gotta I gotta write a lot just to fill an hour and it takes forever So I gotta keep uh keep getting up and tweaking I did notice that a very good joke writer. Uh, very funny. Uh, I've always sort of watched from a distance I finally got the nerve to approach you On instagram, but uh, well, I always appreciate a good joke writer. So is Dana. So when you're cramming in Short ones it is harder. I like to tell stories of my act. I'm trying to get one Story that's an hour long ideally Wow Right, I don't think I have one. I can make a story an hour and it's fucking boring But to get some tentpole laughs in the middle is very hard. That's called the moth. That's a whole different thing Oh, the moth story from norm No, no, norm takes an old joke and then he's like, this is my joke. I'm like, it's a joke. It's like Johnny went to school. I'm like, are you sure this is your joke? Just elongate it with facts. Yeah Yeah, I used to drive a tractor, you know, one of those tractor things, you know driving that tractor That's good. You have a little norm. Do you hear that or not? You do I get that all the time people say kill yourself You're no norm. You're like norm light. You're norm But bad and did you tell yourself or are you taking any of that advice? No, not yet later. Yeah Not for them if there's a million comics, you're gonna look like someone you're gonna act like someone that's just the way it is I I get I get Dana at the fucking Car wash the guy goes Isn't that special and then he goes, I'm sorry. I love opportunity knocks. I love all your movies and I go Thank you. I think Dana does the same thing I've aged out of our we used to got really compared a lot. Yeah Joe dirt Yeah Anyway, you know, we've interviewed people on this, you know, we were we interviewed Shane When he was still in the clubs and he maybe had just put out the youtube special and I was following your trajectory So based on the experience of this podcast, you'll be headlining Madison Square Garden in 11 months Hey, all right. I'll take it. I just got to say some Asian slurs and I'm in That's the trick that's a shortcut That's the thing is you go anywhere you want and it's never comes off I mean, I don't know. You just it doesn't come off a lot dark or weird or creepy It's just sort of you just flow by But you go wherever you want right as far as just topics and stuff Yeah, thanks, you know, you always hear these people like what can you joke about? Can you where's the line? I think if it's a got a punchline and a twist you can joke about anything And uh, so I I go all in and yeah, I've been told I'm non-threatening. I'm Is queefy. Yeah queefy or asexual. That's great. This is a great quality to have in a comic You're on you're unoffensive even though you're offensive There you go. So I think people told me early like you're no one cares about you. You're kind of under the radar So I said, all right. Well, that's that's a detriment, but maybe I can use it to say horrible things No, you throw it away and you make it a little innocent you do that arm move So about you're almost sort of commenting on how dark it was. Well, you know, but it's all cheery. It's all cheery delivery Yeah Yeah, that's where our comedy comes from because I had to remind audiences. Hey comedy. We're doing I don't actually comedy Yeah, I'll buy golly. Well, I think you stumbled upon a really smart point um is If Dana or I go to one of these gigs and say something too much We we can step in shit quicker But if you are Shane on the way up for Theo, you're just saying crazy things quietly in the clubs And then you build up an audience and they're all used to it So it's all baked in by the time other people hear about it It's too late because you've already said all the stuff everyone's accepted it And you're not like a corporate working for these different big places So no one's telling you no and now that's just you and that's a great way to do it because if I if I'm only on sitcoms and PG 13 movies and then out of the blue and I also do corporate gigs and I do commercials So if someone I say something it jumps out more if that's if I'm making any sense Sure, sure people go. Whoa. What are you doing? But you guys I kind of get jealous of just like people go. Hey, we we're already fans. We like this guy. Don't try to cancel this guy Oh, hey, thanks. Yeah, and I think you get known for it. I mean like Louis might be a bad example because he did get canceled but Louis not not for his stand-up. Yeah, and now he's back. He's got an Especially he's back. Yeah, but I think if you come off like a Robert Schimmel who's like, I'm the the bum I'm the loser. I'm the the underdog Schimel. What a great little more because you set that table like this is who I am I am the creep Yeah That's a great title for his next special No, I'll say this is this is a reverse compliment Did you think a special called out to lunch would get any views? Let alone 15 million He got 15 million. What a funny title out to lunch. That's nuts Thanks. Well, I got it was the pandemic. I put it out right as the pandemic hit It was a complete failure because comedy central said no netflix said no Amazon said no so I said screw it put it on youtube And it it hit because people needed content and you know, it was free and all that so I guess the timing worked out but at the at the time I put it out. I wanted to kill myself But you shot it yourself with your own money and then tried to sell it to other people Yeah Did you shoot yourself with your own gun? No, you know, um, what about I think it's also you're kind of underplaying it because Even though it was during coveted They have to find it. I see things on youtube that are great and they have 20 000 views and you go fuck How does it get to the point where it gets passed on enough or in the algo enough where people start going now? It's at a million like that's a big deal. You can't you can't time to get 15 Maybe one you can't not 15. Yeah, that's good So something's working and then you play bigger places obviously over time you do clubs Then you start doing some theaters and that's a little more pressure. Do you feel like It's harder. Is it the exact same? Well, I think well just to go back to the special I do think it's got oversaturated that what I got it in there was still new and if you watch all these specials over time have gotten Less and less views just because it's it's not what it used to be So if I put one out now, I don't think it would it would hit as big so timing is a factor But yeah, it sold a ton of tickets for me started doing clubs adding shows and we moved to theaters But then here's the crazy part you get the netflix hour finally And it comes out that was in 2023 And everybody goes hey, let's go see this guy in a theater and now you have no material And now you're kind of eating shit in a theater Where people go hey this guy got a special he sucks and I go I know but I'm out of material Yeah, I this is the age old so we always talk about this me and then like I'm from the school of Don't throw it all away right away. I mean you need some ten-pole laughs. They're paying a lot of money And as as with a band they only want old material Yes, and they don't want new songs and we always talk about this then you stand up you're going I want to see people do jokes. I like I want to go to my friends listen to this one And I think specials get watered down over time. I may be myself included. I won't take myself out just because To work and buff out an hour As you know as Dana knows is so hard to get it working. Yes, and they just go let me start from scratch It's fucking so hard to get things at work and you got a massage man try them out and And then every time you're on stage it's an audition Dana knows that you go on you don't want to bomb He's you know shanes in the back or one of your friends walks in you like I don't want to do my new shit They're like yeah, he has nothing you know, she felt thought you were good man He was here. Oh, he watched you bomb miserably But uh david tell on this podcast is we watched a special and like People who write like you you're a writer and you're landing like four or five laughs a minute Probably at least teach teach teach teach and I'll just go gag a gag for like five minutes So I don't I'm at all of that and david tell he did a special was like 35 a stand up and then he did some Yeah, at the end because he said my god because it is like this bam bam bam And I don't know how you guys do it, but it's uh seems like a really difficult To to turn it, you know, it's a nightmare. It's a young man's game. It's so much tinkering getting every oh that word's not hitting Let me shorten it off a few syllables. Let me change that term But I think david tell and I he's he's the goat in my opinion, but I think the we're scared of doing stories We have such low self-esteem That I I don't feel like anyone will want to hang on to me with a story for a three minute story even three minutes They're like everyone's like what the fuck is going on? I panic. So I want to get that laugh. Yeah, I agree with you. That's very Hard and I like people that have patience up there and I see people that just You know, even Nate goes slow. I like that. He did. I don't know when that started Maybe it's always been that way, but they wait and his crowd is Taught to wait. I know I'm so jealous and yeah, yeah, me molasses But it works like he just has that southern drawl where you just get lulled to sleep like a big lazy boy That's the name of his next special big lazy boy. 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You can apply in the wallet app on iphone Subject to credit approval apple card is issued by goldman sacks bank usa salt lake city branch terms and more at apple.co Slash benefits calling london's 1 million small businesses There's now one place to get free access to all the support you'll need I need to know where to get support so I can grow my business I'm looking to increase my customers and need sales and marketing support I want to upskill my team to ensure we're more competitive Whatever your business needs grow london local gives you free access to expert business support designed for small businesses Just like yours visit grow dot london forward slash local to find out more funded by uk spf and supported by the mayor of london I'm kind of curious just being from the olden days uh How big stand-up has got how people go to theaters and then stadiums or whatever and just trying to figure out Besides the comedy like I think that nate's audience really relates to him and of course he's brilliant at stand-up But I got it since the audience really likes you and is relating to you and also you're being funny And a lot of it you you'd mention your wife and things like that, but there's a vibe you're pushing pushing out So it's kind of interesting to watch why why someone blows up and another guy seems to have just as good or woman Yeah Jokes but it's not quite, you know, it's fascinating. It's sort of art form. I'm gonna call it that Aha. Well, hey I think you just got to use what you got. Um, I don't know what the hell to do I'm just trying to get laughs and uh, I don't want to have a message Everybody's got a message or an agenda And I think it's refreshing when I don't have you saw this chris fleming guy. He just put out a special Yeah, it's hilarious the tights jumping around. Yeah, there's no like a point or Or agenda. It's just like hey, I'm gonna lay on the ground for four minutes and kick my legs up and it's silly and fun And I think We need that. I mean, uh, you know, who knows what Iran's doing right now. So, uh, let's I do Let's have a chuck. I couldn't agree more. I never wanted to find being that situation where you have a choir That has a certain point of view and then you're teaching you're and they're getting Roars of laughter because you're reinforcing political points of view. I like being just funny Yeah, more than anything else. It's room for everybody. I don't know what to take. I think mark is also is there that kind of chris fleming It when he comes around at the timings, right everyone's ready for it like they just went through the kind of serious comic Then the guy that has no audience and then there's all these tricks because as you know, specials Are put out almost every weekend. I mean a big one like amazon hulu Netflix so to stand out and youtube I mean, it's such a blur Right, I'm not saying it's pointless anymore. It's just hard because they if my my my manager's always like got a special ready I go, I just release it. He goes, I'll make a deal right now. You what do you hate money? Spades like money everybody tells the office. I go. No, I'm just saying I like the money I don't want to do the work. Just give me the money. See Davey can just say jew Yeah, I know what you mean they try to put stuff out and you go, hey, I'm an artist you douche leave me alone Don't rush Picasso, right So I'm Picasso in that scenario and uh, so I'm like I have to work on my booger jokes. Come on. You can't rush these things I know I know leave me be but they want that they want that money. I'm so jealous of these Like like I don't know if you know arish of fear. He's like, I'm gonna go to machu peachu for nine months and uh, do ayahuasca and blow up pick me and then His agents like all right, we'll see and it works out. I don't have the balls I'm such a woods that my agents like we got you 18 dollars to play for uh Raytheon you want to do it. I'm like I'm in You have to perform in front of the bombs before they get dropped and you're like sure whatever I'm willing to look the other way I'm scared of adults. I'm 42 years old, but I'm still like oh this this man is calling me with a tie on I fucking agree. My managers are more like we want you to make money because it's so hard to keep the balls in the air because Dana and I are both over 40 and after 40 in anything in show biz they're like What are you getting Dana? Dana looks like a fresh daisy. I'm inside a ring light. You can't see He lives in a ring literally in a bubble of light if you sat in my light mark 19 you look Oh It's hard because you just want to keep working and you look at people that blow up quickly and you go It's probably harder. I I sort of got known Over time gradually and it was weird enough But these people like the jim carry thing where they get so famous like overnight so fucking huge. Well 15 years overnight I mean, yeah jim. He did have living color but to have Dumb and dumb are the mask and you know ace venture in a row you go. What how do you that's another level? Well, yeah, that's a whole explosion, but just because of uh for history's sake when he showed up in LA I was around and he was at the improv and jim was just doing pure Impressions like rich little and he would act out on golden palm with Henry fondant Catherine Hepburn with perfect voices James Dean look I remember that he would well is bruce dern and I mean His talent level just pure raw talent is is insane That was on like an old comedy story young comedians or something Maybe by danger field and I was like this fucking guy every time he turns around he looks exactly like He was so rubber faced jim carry Very memorable and then you're right dana. He did that which I was already floored by that Then in living color, but I think you're famous and when you do 300 million dollar movies in a row especially back then That's about as high as you can get as far as how do you stay? What I was saying is how do you stay around for 20 30 years and that's you want to keep making money You want to say somewhat relevant? It's just a weird biz so my guys are like Hopefully you can do this. Hopefully you want to do this But I'm in your same spot. Do I want to take six months off? I don't even know if I know what to do I know you feel worthless comedy is really my only Like self-worth. I have a child and a wife, but I'm like, ah, that's nothing in third. Yes. Yeah But do you guys worry about uh, that's the thing about fame or making it once you make it You're like, hey, I made it. This is great. Now. How the hell do I hold on to this? Like I'm I used to over Jerry and uh, he would say like thank god for comedians and cars or I'd be irrelevant I'm like, dude your show's on 11 times a day. What are you talking about? 44 channels I know jerry jerry. Look at other men. He went back out. So yes, exactly. He's doing interviews Lorne michael's one of his quotes was the minute you're hot you can feel yourself getting less hot And and a career is like a pendulum you're hot and it swings and then you're in the dark side of the moon And then you come back it just comes with a term. I'm just curious about Do you think well two things I want to know about your process? Are you like jim gaffigan or like jerry seinfeld has a panic attack if that's possible Because he needs to get to his room and work on his stuff an hour each day every day. Yeah Jim gaffigan brilliant. He he records everything at the and then he goes in and he listens to it The kids are sleeping and fixes how meticulous are you or is it just from reps on stage? Or oh, I'm a psycho. I mean I got four sets tonight in the city jumping around from club to club and uh I'm sad Yeah, same set with new stuff Filling in and then I go this line isn't working. So I'll kind of just dissect one line and go all right the next set Just focus on that line And that right I just do that for months and months and hopefully It's gradual bill burr told me that he doesn't write it down. I know what is that? He does it so much Yeah, but I guess that that's you know, you know, I saw him the other night dana. He went after me. I introduced him Of course, I blew it because sometimes mark you ever noticed there's an mc and sometimes there's not some at the store And I go good night and then no one comes out and I go What am I doing? I go bring up the next guy. I go who's the next guy? Is it bill and then I go I did an encore because no one was back there and so I And then I go oh my supposed so I bring anyway bill comes up And I'm in the back so I watched a little bit and then I like type by text like just lines I liked And then he hit me on the way home. He's like, oh you like that? Yeah, I was just working on that And now that you tell me he doesn't write it down I was like writing the wording when I text it going. This is great Knowing if I did it I would be like I have to remember how I said that Right, we made it work the only reason it works because you've done the bit the next night and you go I know what that is and you go I've done it with heather here and I'm like can you transcribe this because I hit it one night and now it is just not working. What did I say? That said that's another gerryism, you know something stops working, you know check the setup Okay, is it clear? I mean he is a scientist. I was curious because people were mentioning That you had norm vibes or was he kind of one of your inspirations in a sense or or who? So yeah, because there is some rhythmic stuff. There's something in there. It's a great thing to be influenced by So anyone else besides david? Or is norm your true nor true nor star? Uh Well norm to me is the just the funniest guy like his stand-up is great, but he was funny everywhere He's funny on the couch. He was funny on a podcast. He was funny in movies Which I liked bill burr has that too. Some guys are just funny On stage, but then you put him on a podcast and they're kind of boring You've you've done you've seen any Norm had a unique and you think when he was on conan and stuff it's like he's he's always Was always spiraling in such an intense way. Yes Like his eyes are really happy and he had these big cheekbones and so it's a very potent It's like he's laughing the whole time but not out loud Because he knows where he's going with it. But yeah, it's his stuff. You see the youtube clips of him on conan and it's like We haven't seen anything quite like yeah He's lucky as conan because conan or letterman Those guys Invite a guy like norm because they want him to be weird and a lot of people won't put up with this Don't get it. So when you go on the view and he's weird and he's talking And they're like, oh the best. I'm like, why are they letting this guy on the fucking view? Do they know anything and then he does his thing and they're like, huh? Yeah, I like that bill that bill clen guy, you know, he only probably was he killed a guy, right? Didn't he rape that one girl everyone's like, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa barba walters like I once had a two hour phone conversation with norm driving around I was driving and uh, of course he You know put down his comedy kind of vibe, you know, and he had a lot of frustrations with his career You know, really a lot of a lot of pilots didn't work out and this guy and that and so forth and so on You know, so he's a little frustrated. You know, because like he's so charismatic and he's like norm mcdonald You know Probably wanted a few more norm movies or norm tv shows, you know, day and it was the there was there a pilot With love it's a norm for happy medicine Because I don't know but son will ask him because I think it was about a mayor I do remember hearing this and somebody pulled a plug on it But I think they wanted to do it something weird heaven But that's the hard thing is like norm is tough. He was tough to book Because he wouldn't sometimes he wouldn't come or he would walk people and You know as a manager we have to say manager Gerbets, of course. He's norms too. He's like Norm, I don't know. You never know because one time he was I told this story, but we were on the road to sandler and You know mark. I think sam did it in morrow one with us. You know, he rotates some people in Just to make it more fun. So and the old days norman on and then And we're in seattle or something and he and he just walks everybody and then Well, the ones that don't want to wait for sandler like I can't take this it's excruciating and then when he gets off Schneider's mc goes there's norm mcdonald. You never know which norm you're gonna get and tonight you got that one And then norm is on the group chat going hey, what the fuck did schniders just say? Just so people Just so people understand we're listening if you say the cuban, how did the comedian do? Uh, he walked the audience That they well, what do you mean? Well, they left they got up And left the room. Oh, yeah, and and they stopped looking for a while And the comedian does not change gears at all. He keeps going and they finally go. I can't take it I'm Forfitting this and leaving Well, if I see one person go to the bathroom, why do you see someone go to the bathroom? Don't you go? Well, fuck they're leaving. Of course. I want to kill myself. It's the worst Exactly. I don't have the he was so strong. He was such a tough guy. He doesn't get his due I mean the whole cancer thing he hid that for years. I mean most people would have used that they would have been like here I'm the victim. Let me uh spin this into a Ted talk, you know And end of life tour. Yes, exactly. He just kept it quiet like yeah, that takes just uh being very very personal at least online. I just notice how It's so monetizing if you really share every disease or every negative weird thing in your life and Oh, you got molested. Oh, aren't you special? Yeah. Yeah, move on Could you say could you say that but say well, isn't that special? You got molested No norm is just Fucking funny. He had a good joke about cancers. Remember that one? He says. Oh, what was it? Everyone always says This guy lost the battle with cancer. He goes I think it was a tie I think cancer died with the guy. Yeah, cancer is not standing there going All right I something like that and I was like god, that's a smart way to look at it Yeah, his dad the joke while he has it by the way. He's like my dad your dad's in a better place. He's like he's on the floor Right norm joke, but he was funny everywhere and he's what a comedian is to me. So when the view is like, hey norm What are you doing? I'm like, he's being norm. He's the guy you booked Yeah, that's the hard part. He's just got a bigger grin on his face the manner they would get he just has this huge smile He's also his secret weapon. He's a great looking guy as a guy that you know and all these women were like He looks like paul newman. I'm like he does I'm not usually studying guys, but now I do and uh, he was really look maxing Yeah Hey, nice nice way to Hit the youth clav dude clavicle So, um, no, are you guys working with AI with all this? Yeah, we're not here Now, uh, what are we doing with AI? What do you oh, I had a question about the moon. I heard you talking about the moon Oh, I got shit for that one What did you say? Let me hear it. Let me hear the joke I mean, I just went like I was riffing on stage about the moon and somebody brought it up in the crowd and I said Well, they had a first black astronaut. This is so cool But they're just going around the moon. They're not letting them on the moon, which I thought was messed up But it might hurt the property value and then I said, of course they make the black guy do a drive-by And uh, I say let him on the moon. I want to see that guy jump. Can you imagine that moon jump? Uh, then I call it moon teams So we had some good times You got grief for that how online Yeah, the black community was uh pushing back and I said I'm just joking around I think it's great. He's on the moon. I'm a comedian. I'm just zinging and zanging. I make fun of honkies I make fun of jews, you know Now I'm your turn. I don't like it when you make fun of honkies. So I get it Sorry You're like any joke where I don't say a specific race. It's a honky So we just know they're taking the most beating. Yeah, I saw the moon drive by I guess it was just a A slingshot because I saw a funny meme where it goes the moon's like this and you hear Hey, why don't you hear rap song and then it goes away like it's just someone driving by And you and the moon's like this where it's been 20 40 years 50 years And they're just driving by and beeping or something. That's funny Those five years from now those astronauts are going to be at a cocktail party and the conversation will be like No, seriously, dude, you did you didn't land on the moon? Right? Right The big question is does that get you any pussy? And I know everyone's thinking this but going to the moon. Yes Driving by is it a shoulder shrugger? Or do people go? Hey, you know, that's cool. That's it's like the girls that went up in space and they go. No, no, no It's not no we went farther and they're like, right all you guys went up and came down Yeah, quit quit putting us with the origin right They're like you katie pair you guys are were they on your flight? He's like no, these are two different things. Yeah, why did katie pair you to go to space? I mean, uh, We tried to say lizzo. We didn't have the fuel but It's all fun, it's all fodder that's what's great about the news It's uh, you can do 18 gay. I had told the jokes it never ends. Well a comedian Can't be offended. We we're in cable being offended. I think because We know it's a joke. We've heard everything we understand it when comedians are off camera Are hanging out trying to top each other with the most foul politically incorrect thing you can say That's you know, so we're we can't it leaks out Dana's right it leaks out But like if I said something you guys And you guys laughed like if we were at lunch And I go oh and then I say at my act everyone goes what the fuck and then you go right? Oh those guys I just this was funny a minute ago and then they go no, that's what's your Filthy comedian friends. I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess uh, right Do do you do you have bitch you do only for other comedians that are so foul you don't have to repeat But I used to do bird bird land castler and Kirk Douglas having sex And that was the writer's room at SNL would say can you come in here and do that for us again? Just a kind of two a.m Yeah Yeah Patrice said it years ago. He said any any man who tells me something is inappropriate to talk about I immediately have lost respect for and uh, I find it weird that some comedians don't like You know, whatever problematic humor, but I'm like it's just us like my text thread If you saw my text thread with a couple comics, I would go right to the gulag go to prison Oh, yeah, because part of being funny or what's funny is saying the thing you're just can't possibly say Yeah, don't no one should ever say that so of course a comedian wants to say it But you know Well, you want to outdo the other comedian you want to be like I this is isn't this horrible what I just thought Yeah, we're messing around. We're not doing the things right. No, we're not doing the things Sometimes you get more control Against you if there was any hate under it, it would be different but you go I'm just saying stupid shit to try to be funny I made a pedophile joke, but bill clinton is is reminiscing over old photos. He's having a great time So like let's get more mad at bill It was funny that he was he was fucking giggling looking like at his memories on his iphone Yeah, he's like, uh, these are the days Yeah No in the picture of him was it the hot tub or the swimming pool and oh I heard him Through the photo. I was only in there for about five minutes. I just swam around a little bit and nothing happened I've farted we were laughing at the bubbles. Just at some point. Can we yeah Will it ever end? I mean hillary is just like dude I like when they talk about the Epstein files and I look and they go and about every day on instagram Someone's reading another email that's so horrible and I go Where's that guy like I don't know if it's like illegal right an email or that there's something where you go This guy something was going on though should they say and then You never hear like did they did he get scolded? Maybe a slap on the wrist anything? No No, and and you got to hand it to hillary because bill gates his wife left tootsweet. She was like you're involved in this guy I'm out of here hillary's like hold my beer. I mean, I'll tell you about monica. I'll tell you about everything Bill gates his wife is like I'm gonna take 80 billion and get the hell out of dodge I'm the bravest woman you've ever seen me my backpack and 70 billion Yeah, my own I think all the richest women in america. It's all divorce Uh, what was their name a base house is X look at your jar glass. Jesus christ I don't want to keep refilling so I just get a giant fuck the um the bullet Oh, it's the upside down bullet What a good eye spade good eye. Is that a cue card on your door? Oh, yeah, that's an old conan. I have all those uh Look at look at this wall. I got here. I'll walk you around the wall of fame. Look at this shit Norm, that's a no It's that boy What is that one? He did Reynolds. Yes. Yes, and then this would be with carlin Oh Carlin wow George I met him at a book signing nice jones rivers there ever seen blue jones rivers blue Liz Taylor can we talk dog? Everybody needs you Is that your set list? Yeah, I'm a nerd. Oh You missed it. I saw gay porn in the middle there That's that one's okay No, that's so funny functioning alcoholic big nerd. I used to say I used to say this no this mark I go My friend goes who's that? Fallon is that fallon coming in? Hey, hey, hey, you're gonna be insane. Give me to me Love Jimmy Fallon how many fallons do we got four? Okay, I have a legitimate question you have gone and rogan how many times Well, we have a thing called protect our parks where we go on and just get drunk with shane and arie and uh Just joke around for four hours. So I think we've done 11 of those or 12 Fucking hilarious. That's a great idea. All the great guys in that gang you shane. Who else arie schafer and and joe And it's just it we we should listen to open anthony and all these other crazy radio shows and those are kind of gone away So he said let's just dick around be idiots say horrible things get drunk do mushrooms smoke cigars And just be a bunch of dudes That should be the number one ready to show it probably is actually uh, you actually do mushrooms when you Does joe move the needle do you plug gigs or is it that's got to be at least some push for some things? It's the biggest one that sells crazy tickets and we're we're just Literally making fun of each other gay jokes fat jokes and mushrooms and You know one arie puked on one joe whipped it out on one You know I I had a meltdown on mushrooms and puked all over the mothership. So yeah, it's it's a wild Lucy What it's a long way since I love lucy was that was entertainment So I understand you take a lucy genics you bomb it and expose yourselves to each other sounds like a great time ed Yeah, oh, yeah, ed can I see your I haven't seen your dick recently So when you're eight 10 years old Are you uh, one of those young people's like seeing comics on television or whatever and thinking maybe Or did it come to you later? When did it hit you maybe I'm gonna do this well, I got no self-worth. So I was obsessed with comedy I was obsessed with groucho and bill Murray and uh Carlin and then I never thought I could do this It was like you'd see steve martin on tv you'd see bill cosby and you're like that's like an astronaut I could never get there. Of course, of course Agreed failed out of college three times three different colleges and I had such a little going on that I said screw it. I'll try and open mic and I immediately fell in love with it and uh I moved to new york and the rest is history got mugged three times got bed bugs that city tries to spit you out But uh, then the bed bugs mugged me. Jesus. Yeah Was it after doing a club date like in One a.m. Or something. I mean I lived there eight years. I never got mugged really Mugged you're saying someone's gonna beat you up and take your money and what what's what was it exactly? What is a mug? Well three times but again, I lived out in brooklyn like way out and I was also an alcoholic So I was in a blackout most Two of the three times I got mugged. I was blacked out drunk sleeping on the street So Thanks for the clarification. I find here today's beat you up and say give us your shit You're blacked out. They just it was bad. I was like tiger woods without the car I was just stumbling down the street But I just uh one time I fell asleep on the subway and I woke up and a guy had cut my pockets with an exacto knife um So that was that was pretty harmless. You got my keys my wallet my joke book. It was crazy my phone One time Yeah I know Yeah, I can't believe jake johansson would do that too What's your what was the third time you said one time something? Well one time I fell asleep I was drunk at a bar called rudies and I walk home or i'm walking down eighth avenue in hell's kitchen And I see a little alcove like a doorways three steps down And I said let me just take a nap there for like half an hour And then i'll go home because I lived way out in brooklyn. It was a long ride So I fell asleep in this little alcove and I woke up to three guys going through my shit So I tried to be like, ah, what are you doing? And then one of them goes he's waking up and he hit me and I went out again took everything Fucking hey And then one the craziest is the third time Fell asleep on the train woke up way past my stop and I said screw it. It's a nice night. I'll walk it back to my apartment Deep brooklyn. I see five guys on the corner shooting dice drinking forties listening to music out of a out of a central casting This is like a movie you walk up like steve martin. Hey black guys. Yeah, hey jive brother And I see them when I cross the street I'm like i'm gonna walk on the other side of the street. They look pretty shady And an older guy Comes up to me and I had an iPod at the time and he goes give me that radio and I was so drunk I was like it's not a radio. It's an mp3 player and he goes all right and he yanks it So i'm yank we're both yanking the cord. He picks me up Starts slamming me against the uh business with the the metal gate that closes And um freak it out and before I know it those five guys run over and beat the hell out of them Oh really? Yeah, you can't say viewers don't judge Yeah, I grabbed my iPod. I said thank you and I ran home Wow, what is your height and weight? I mean you look pretty big on stage I mean for someone to just pick you up. There must be pretty pretty skinny though. I'm skinny. I'm five 10 I'm not that big of a thin guy. You know what's a good noise when they hit you against that steel it goes Yeah, it's thunderous Um, I think uh, I talked to a cop later and he said those were drug dealers and they can't have a white kid Getting killed in the neighborhood. That's bad. Oh really they picked him Oh, I love it. They don't want any trouble in there. Oh, I love they don't want attention I did have one experience a little bit like that in new york and I was you know, Great and this guy was grabbing me and doing like that and I said lorne, please So it was lorne my lord. I'm a new church lady Oh, you're really not your your he lorne's nickname for me was he's a fucking show pony because I got there Guilty as charged sir Well, it works Hey, you're special that the what was the special called where you did the Every time a guy changes chords. He makes a different face the ross burrow Yeah, I don't know What was that title come on? Well, I did the first one was comedy central critics choice Hmm and this was before online stuff. So my sister every time it would come on She's so you got critics choice again. She thought it was an award that I got And then there was one it was a ridiculous title squatting monkeys tell no lies And then the most recent one. I don't know why I named it. This was stupid, but straight white male 60 That's because no industry wants that Put those three together and then we would have the one third the amount of jokes you landed in none too pleased That's supposed to was huge for me Absolutely. Well, that's good. I I you know, you there's people there's 15 year olds men and women watching or boys and girls watching your special right now Yeah I I might want to do that. It still is a fever dream just that this is your job Yeah, this is what you're doing your dreams came true. You're making good money. I looked at your you know, you're making Yeah, I look at your bank account This is your job Well, it's all about the next thing the next special remember the first time I made a million dollars And with all the agents and managers and they're like, okay, he made a million now Let's go on to these two. I go wait a minute. Can we just take a second to say I made a fucking million dollars? So if you talk to your younger self, you know, your 23 year old self, you know You'd be like it's gonna be okay, man All right, thank you. It feels like being a mailman where you you put the mail out Then you show up the next day and I like we got a lot more mail You're like god never ends. You never it's like groundhogs day. Yeah, you just go I didn't did I get anything done today and you feel like you're always feel like you're getting too old I used to of course every day when I was 30. I'm like, I didn't even do enough when I was by 30 I'm like I want to be more more more and everything takes much time And every agent says it's pretty slow right now. They're not doing much Our job is part of our job is when people see you on a screen or something It kind of looks like you're not really working Right a lot of the work is when you're not on camera and it's this weight I mean, I felt it I talked to Dennis Miller about that when I first sort of committed to this and it was my job I was making 600 a month just this little bit of weight And I still have it like I got it right another joke or I bet our David and I are gonna play this theater and It's just it's just an interesting mind game and you always want to do good or you might be out Yes, so it's just double whammy of like gotta have content quality but also content and now everybody wants more content than ever It's the the hunger for content. Do you do crap stuff online on like instagram? I only I don't I hate where you're from. What do you do? How long you guys been together? I can't stand all that shit. So I just do um, what race are you? What's your least favorite race? I just do um Shout out some new stuff. So then oh moon or they shout out. I ran and I can go off on that and that's my clip And so you do clips to push gigs to get people in the door. Okay, that that's the name of the game now It's it's a nightmare, but the clips really spread like herpes and that that can save your tickets Because we can't put out a special every week I know when you get material to get them to see your special right right Damn, so let's talk about none too, please because that's right here It's on netflix is number Six or seven or eight. I mean it's I looked at it It's something the comedy or whatever it's hard to get it's doing extremely well. Hey, thanks. We're we got lucky Yeah, got lucky you've worked. I I can't take a compliment And now today I'm like I understand you're that's why you're gonna you're gonna keep getting better I know the next day they're like congratulations. You're the top 10 you got any wax yet Exactly, yeah, honey. Tell some jokes. I thought it looked good. I like the the lighting I like the way it was shot in the size of the theater Thanks. Yeah boulder theater. It was uh new orleans theme That was the uh from new orleans and it was in boulder Well, the the the green yellow and purple is all new orleans colored. It was new orleans music. So I tried to Show a little love to the hometown. But yeah, thank you I it's really uh pinched the pennies on the last one and I think it hurt me So so this is when I really put some money into it The money that no one sees yes They're like they're like do you want to pay for a big blue light? I'm like, I don't give a shit. Give me a black curtain How about that? I know I know okay. We have 11 cameras What? Yeah, we're gonna have 11 angles on you You know usually Dana they go here's how much you're gonna get and I go that's good and now you have to go pay for it Yes, they got us by the balls. It's pretty impressive. It's genius because they know the they have the eyeballs Yeah, did you have a moment in your career so far where afterwards you were just high as a kite because I know you're kind of Self-deprecating and you're pushing yourself like better better more more more Do you have any kind of moment? You're like fuck I landed that Yeah, yeah for sure you get the little wins because everybody thinks oh you got a Netflix special You must be ecstatic and I'm like now now I'm worried about it doing well. I'm worried about uh Killing and oh Movie that you might do with sam. Oh, well, we're all over the place now. Hold on Uh, yeah me and sam wrote a movie and we got a backer. We got financing. So we're we're hoping to shoot this summer Interesting because you know David has a movie coming out that he did Busboys I think it's the same director. So that's why I knew about oh Jonah Jonah. Yeah, he's a good egg. So I think I think he told me it would be probably around New York Is that what it is? Yeah, we're gonna shoot in New Jersey to save a couple bucks, but uh, oh, that's better. Yeah Yeah, no that's okay. Everything's about Saving and what's the best way because all people want to do is really focus on are you guys funny at the end of the day? Same with bus boys is the movie funny. I don't care what the dishes are in the background. I don't it's just Go try to be funny and it's even that's really hard Yeah, but it's a it's a fun thing to do because it's you guys I think you'll have fun doing it because it's just one more challenge. Yeah, and We didn't get the money. We wanted we wanted this amount of money We got about half of that. So we just went back into the script and made all right Let's make the warehouse on the sidewalk. Let's make the yacht in a cab. Let's make the You know the airplane in an uber Let's make Fresno Afghanistan Let's make the statue of liberty or red just hold things I would say to One is make sure you have some some um Things would work if the sound was broke Well, uh funny with the funny with the sound off make sure Good point and that that you're it's tracking that no one has to think where are we now? You know, right the clarity of each what the what's going on That's all clarity funny with the sound off and then you know when you have your final read through make sure you click off surefire Killers and you got six of them Set pieces That's good advice but everyone in the trailer and then the movie will just Go flat No, that's a hard part. I mean even doing ours. We think we're so fucking hilarious But it's so hard to make scenes work. Then you're You're a slave to the fucking plot and like our plot is as wispy as you can get so good They want to be waiters But they're losers like we got it. So turn down the volume and then just go Okay, it looks like they're doing something funny here. I'll turn it up again I have one more piece one more piece of advice Um Originality, this is not an absolute originality is the death of creativity You want to make sure that you let the hangover or whatever or tropic thunder or these classic will ferrule comedies Let them wash over you. You know, they're not starting from scratch. It's not copying But allow yourself to be influenced by things that you loved and then you do it in your own way But if you try to reinvent the wheel completely So, you know, it's like if you were going to remake an agatha christy movie But you wouldn't it wouldn't be exactly like that. There'd be a hurt the lights go out So just allow yourself to be influenced look back at those movies and don't think you're copying Spend a lot of time looking at wanes world one That way one I watched all those rewatched all those just to yeah great taste Yeah, also new eyes because you're going why is this funny? When do they do an hack break? How are they going to bring together? I saw anaconda on the plane with jackpot And it was pretty pretty well done because now I just did it and I was more involved I'm like, how much is that set where are they going? Is that doubling for this? How much was this person? Oh that cast member did this much stuff And a lot of stuff was landing and it was pretty simple to understand And they had some twists and I was like, oh, I didn't see that coming. That's good So overall I was like, this is pretty good and it looked that had a bigger budget. Obviously they have big stars. Yeah But uh, I thought it was good. I think that looks great Yeah, I mean, it's like There this director old-timey Gary Marshall and did a movie because script supervisor was on wanes world He did a movie and it just didn't work at all. He had started happy days His next movie was pretty woman which was a massive hit and I said How to the script supervisor, how did he get so much better? She goes well, you know, just learned so it's almost like you want to Make the movie in your head or storyboard ahead of time like learn because you always look back and go Oh, we we could have done it that way or this way or that way. It's hard the first one So I'm only telling you this because in case it's slightly useful. You probably thought of all of it, but No, we'll take anything. It's fun. I mean if you love movies Movies are just fun. I love hard work, but I love them when they were yeah, and they're they're falling by the way side It's probably used to get like five six comedies a year in the 90s and now it's just like Few and far between because our rate it is hard to come. Yes. I think tiktok and memes have uh picked up a lot of slack and I think executives are just nervous about making a certain movie or a certain theme and So we're trying to go around them, but I think people are craving it I mean bust boys is gonna be a hit I can tell and you know the joe dirts all these movies We we grew up loving so like I saw wanes world two in the theater Yeah, fuck yeah big silly silly movies. Yeah, I do think and it's maybe pretty much a cliche, but Uh, people probably are craving it in a way. Yeah, I don't want to just laugh my ass off and just relax and not Just skate Yeah, I think Well, we the dvd sales are gone now. So you lose all that. Yeah, that that hurt it But I think executives are just like They they love an office space they you bring it up to him in a cocktail party They go, I love that movie and you go you want to make one just like it and they go well No one's gonna see that It is hard. I think they're frozen. They're like they want to do it No one wants to get fired. So no one's making big moves. They're like I just I could push it off or redevelop it and develop it until I just don't get fired because what if it comes out And offends people that I'm out, you know Exactly a little bit of it. There's always the old-fashioned mock documentary which costs like five cents Janky camera. Yeah Well mark, we appreciate you coming on buddy. None too pleased on netflix. Check them out. It's been a pleasure And I'm gonna I'm gonna keep an eye on you I'm gonna watch your trajectory because you thank you. It's an honor you guys are both uh, uh, big fans and take the hit was huge for me and all that so uh Hey, don't forget police academy I do. Yeah No one's mentioned that before that's great. It's what it did This guy was so much fucking fun. Oh my god. I was innocent Uh, you see how hot Aaron stone was in it. Oh Unreal I was like who and she was so nice on it. Now she looks like you but uh, yeah I'm just good. That's still go down on it. We're both offended. Thank you See that's the you back page thing in your double tag. Of course. I'm just kidding then Yeah We got to talk skateboarding one day, uh spade, but oh are you a creator? Okay. Yeah, I skated for years Oh, fuck. Yes. Are you know Whitney's husband? Yes, chris coal. He's a killer. He's he rips Yeah, uh, okay, buddy. All right. 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