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Why AI Will Replace 80% of Professional Work (But Not Humans) | Nimrod Vroman

41 min
Jan 9, 20263 months ago
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Summary

Nimrod Vroman, an Israeli entrepreneur and former corporate lawyer, discusses how AI will incrementally replace 80% of professional services work through his company ARC, while maintaining human expertise for complex decisions. He also introduces Foreposterity, an AI platform that converts personal stories into structured legacy books, and shares insights on resilience, optimism, and personal branding in the AI age.

Insights
  • AI will replace professional services incrementally, not overnight—the key is identifying which 80% of routine work can be automated while preserving the 20% requiring human judgment and expertise
  • The professional services industry operates on a flawed pyramid model where clients pay for junior staff to access senior expertise; AI-first platforms can democratize access to expert insights at fractional cost
  • Personal brand and digital presence are becoming critical business assets because AI systems will aggregate and reason from available data to make recommendations—if you're not indexed online, you don't exist to AI decision-makers
  • Resilience and optimism are competitive advantages in business; the ability to extract positive lessons from adversity enables better decision-making and attracts talent and investment
  • The future of professional services will be hybrid: AI handles routine work and preparation, humans handle nuanced decisions, and platforms own the client relationship rather than individual service providers
Trends
AI-first professional services platforms disrupting traditional law firms and advisory businessesShift from hourly billing and exclusive relationships to usage-based, on-demand access to expert networksPersonal AI agents and conversational interfaces replacing document-heavy, time-consuming professional service workflowsImportance of AI indexing and digital presence for business discoverability in an AI-mediated decision-making environmentHybrid human-AI service delivery models where AI handles 80% of work and humans handle complex edge casesLegacy and storytelling platforms using AI to democratize content creation and preserve personal narrativesIsraeli tech ecosystem producing lean, capital-efficient startups with deep domain expertise in professional servicesLLM-agnostic architecture becoming standard for AI platforms to avoid vendor lock-in and maximize capability accessFounder-led companies with military/crisis experience showing higher resilience and unconventional problem-solving approachesPersonal brand building through content distribution as essential infrastructure for AI-era business success
Topics
AI Disruption of Professional ServicesLegal Tech and Document AutomationFounder Agreements and Reverse VestingAI-Powered Advisory PlatformsLegacy Preservation and StorytellingHybrid Human-AI Service DeliveryProfessional Services Business Model InnovationVenture Capital Fundraising StrategyPersonal Brand Building in AI EraResilience and Optimism in BusinessLLM Integration and Multi-Model ArchitectureDemocratization of Expert AccessStartup Founder ChallengesIsraeli Tech EcosystemAI Indexing and Digital Presence
Companies
ARC (Our Empowerment)
AI-first platform automating 80% of professional services work in legal, banking, and advisory while connecting users...
Foreposterity
AI platform converting unstructured personal stories and recordings into structured 100-250 page legacy books for fam...
OpenAI
Creator of GPT models; discussed as upstream API provider that won't own end-client relationships despite powering ma...
Salesforce
Referenced as model for how ARC should be built—a tech company for professional services rather than traditional cons...
Microsoft
Referenced as example of upstream technology provider (Office) that doesn't transform into consulting despite widespr...
Deloitte
Former employer of ARC's CFO, representing traditional professional services firm model that ARC aims to disrupt
Ernst & Young
Former employer of ARC's CFO, representing traditional professional services firm model that ARC aims to disrupt
Oculus
Company whose former founder's company employed ARC's CFO, demonstrating team's experience with high-growth tech vent...
NASA
Organization where ARC's CTO built a research agent that placed second in competition with 300 applicants
Perplexity
LLM provider integrated into ARC's multi-model architecture for research and deep analysis functions
Claude
LLM provider mentioned as alternative to GPT for personal and professional AI use cases
Llama
LLM provider integrated into ARC's multi-model, LLM-agnostic architecture
Gemini
LLM provider mentioned as alternative in competitive landscape of AI models for professional services
People
Nimrod Vroman
Israeli entrepreneur, former corporate lawyer, founder of ARC and Foreposterity; main guest discussing AI disruption ...
Joe Shalaby
Host of 'Coffeez for Closers' podcast; conducts interview with Nimrod about AI, business, and resilience
Michael Jordan
Referenced by Nimrod as personal inspiration for turning negatives into positives; father's murder and mantra influen...
Donald Trump
Referenced by Joe as example of person who faces constant attacks; 'The Art of the Deal' influenced Joe as a child
Rorion Gracie
Son of Helio Gracie, founder of UFC; interviewed on Joe's podcast about lessons from Jiu-Jitsu and resilience
Helio Gracie
Founder of UFC and Gracie Jiu-Jitsu family; referenced through his son's appearance on the podcast
Quotes
"I refuse to view this turmoil in negative terms. It has happened. Everything that is negative in this turmoil...the only challenge you have is what positive do you extract from it?"
Nimrod VromanEarly in episode
"No matter what, try to turn a negative into a positive."
Michael Jordan's father (referenced by Nimrod Vroman)Referenced as personal mantra
"I want to bring the whole system down. I want to build a company that in the future will be one of the big six professional service firms in the world, but it will be built like Salesforce. It will be built like Microsoft. It will be a tech company for all intents and purposes."
Nimrod VromanMid-episode discussing ARC vision
"You're a founder. You just incorporated your company. There are 400,000 of you every year in the US alone...ARC will say, we checked our database. These are the investors you can get to through us and our network, not cold calls from an AI, but rather these humans are affiliated with ARC."
Nimrod VromanExplaining ARC functionality
"Everything in life is going to be okay...regardless of what happens, life goes on. Everything's going to be okay. And it is what it is."
Rorion Gracie (referenced)Lesson from Jiu-Jitsu discussion
"We are now living in a moment in time where each and every one of us are writing on the Rosetta stone of the future. If we don't write on it, it's not there...Your personal brand is the encryption on the Rosetta stone."
Nimrod VromanClosing discussion on digital presence
Full Transcript
The last two years have tested, you know, on 43, so this war started when I was 41, and all of those insights were put to the test during this war. It's cliche, I'm a massive Michael Jordan fan, and there's this bit where he's interviewed in 94 or 95, and he speaks about his father being murdered. And it's one of the only bits I've ever seen him crying, and he says that he was faced with the one mantra that his dad told him that he had to employ, which is no matter what, try to turn a negative into a positive. Welcome to another episode of Paws. So I'm actually here on behalf of two companies. Big one is our empowerment, and that one really this turns professional services on its head. It serves professional services in legal, banking, business advisory, and financial advisory, AI first, which means new entrepreneurs can engage these agents who serve as their professional advisors directly online, but unlike all other AI solutions, our agents are coded with humility, which means that when they understand that they are at a really complex situation, which secret there aren't that many complex situations, but when you get to a complex one, they call an expert human into the fray, right? To give their two cents, we prioritize only getting the two cents from the human. The rest can be done by AI, and that's how we turn professional services on its head. Because today most professional service companies will say, oh, we are adopting AI tools to make our services for you better. They still own you as their client, and we're turning that around. The other company is called Foreposterity, and it was born from the challenge of arc. The challenge of arc is getting a lot of scattered information from a client as an advisor, and giving the client output in a structured manner, like a memo or a contract or a piece of advice, right? Foreposterity is different. The scattered inputs is the story of an elderly person, your grandfather, at, you know, family dinner. That's the scattered input. The structured output is an immediate 100 to 250 page book telling their story in a respectful manner for next generations. So Foreposterity can take any unstructured content, any recording you do, no questionnaire, no like tedious process that might sort of like push away the elderly. Just tell that story for four minutes. You get a book back, and obviously I say the elderly because our mission is to preserve legacies one story at a time, but this applies to everyone. You could tell your, the story of your business success, the roller coaster that you are on, five minutes, just spit out some knowledge, and it will structure it as a book. It doesn't purport to be a best seller, but you're great, great, great, grand kids who would have otherwise probably forgotten us. They'll know they will be able to engage with your life and understand where they came from. That's the, that's the idea. Nice, nice. Yeah, that was saved me a fortune when I wrote my book. Mine as well. I, I wrote one as well, cost a lot of money. I treated it as it is. I treated that expenses and investment in myself and my well-being, but in retrospect, the Foreposterity would save a lot of their money as well. Now, Arks, a pretty amazing AI platform. I'd like to ask everybody, what's your morning routine? Well, it would be disingenuous to say that the last two years in Israel or anything routine. So, whilst others might be able to share that tidbit, for me, it's been complete madness for the last two years. I've left my law, I've left the law firm in which I was a partner for 10 years and overall 17 years at this firm. I managed the startup practice there, had 650 clients, which professional service providers know each client is like a relationship. So, I had to dismantle 650 relationships. I was trying to run two companies because I truly believe that in the AI age, you can do multiple things at once, which is a problem because you need to convince everyone in your life why you're taking this entrepreneurial risk and why you're doing it against the focus textbook sort of thing with two ideas. Three, there's been a war raging in our country and I participated for four months in reserve duty. I was called up to it in the beginning of the war, which ironically was the only thing that gave me a routine during those four months and the only thing that enabled me to dismantle those 650 relationships because everybody understood that I had to go and by the time I, it was over, I told them, listen, enjoy your new partners at the firm. I needed something else or else I'll go completely mad. So, I'm sorry, I didn't answer with like a clear routine, but I hope that once we complete our seed, we raised precede for each company. Now we're raising our seed money when we complete it, then I'm actually going to look to people like you, you know, to people like David who's walking around here and to understand their routines and try to learn from them. Yeah, I know it's been up people in Israel and I'm sorry if I hit on a sensitive subject, but let me ask you candidly and personally, how has it been dealing with the turmoil in Israel over the last couple of years and establishing a new business and raising a family and just kind of dealing with all of the stress of war? Yeah, well, first of all, I want to say for the rest of the conversation, I'm an open book and I'm happy if you ask all these questions. I really like the environment here. I genuinely say this like visiting your office in this space has been just one of the highlights of our week here abroad, so please feel free to ask any question. The last two years of tested, you know, on 43, so this war started when I was 41. I had collected insights that I had about the first like third or whatever, hopefully third of my life, not half, right? Collected insights about what made me happy and what I think could make others happy and my daughters happy and all of those insights were put to the test during this war. And you know, it's cliche, I'm a massive Michael Jordan fan and not like only for the basketball, there's like a bobby head over there of MJ and there's this bit where he's interviewed in 94 or 95 and he speaks about his father being murdered. And it's one of the only bits I've ever seen him crying and genuinely until the last dance, but about something personal. And he says that he was faced with the one mantra that his dad told him that he had to employ in dealing with his dad's murder, which is no matter what try to turn a negative into a positive. And that's what he was doing with his father. And actually that's been with me throughout the entire last two years. I refuse to view this turmoil in negative terms. It has happened. Everything that is negative in this turmoil and you as a financial expert will I think appreciate this reference. And Jordan expert by the way. And a Jordan expert. I assume that as well. So everything that is happening in this turmoil is sunk. It has happened. So once you have something that is sunk, that has happened, the only challenge you have is what positive do you extract from it? And that's what I try to explain to my daughters as well. And the people around me at times that is faced with a lot of cynicism because whilst a lot of it has happened, we still have 50 people there under the tunnels. We have to face our inclination to vengeance. We are as a collective. We are a vengeful people right now. And you would expect that. This is what made Bruce Wayne Batman. Right. So but then vengefulness that puts you in a situation of a lot of ethical situations that you have to deal with. I mean, I serve in an unmanned airborne vehicle unit. And that's that you make a lot of decisions in that capacity that are problematic. And you have to tame that vengeance. And that vengeance may feel justified because what happened on October 7th was beyond evil to us. And then you have to think about, okay, what if I'm learning from this and how is this not happening again in a region where everybody says no, it's going to be happening forever. So I've mainly tried to look at the positive and I'm extremely optimistic about the future. I think that it's always darkest before the dawn. So the darker it gets, the closer you are to the dawn, that's what I feel. I truly believe that. And I have geopolitical explanations about why that's going to be the case, but maybe that's for a different podcast, it's a long conversation. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's a lot of truth to that. And I did a podcast before you got here about gratitude and kind of just being thankful and on circumstances and you know, and just kind of practicing gratitude to get you through those those things and churning negatives into positives. And I was like, some days I just don't feel like being thankful, right? Some days were just like, how am I going to be thankful? I just went through this war. I went through this hell and it's like, you know where it all starts? Like take a deep breath and be like, I'm thankful just for that. I love that. Just for the breath that you just took. And put things in reality for me, like in a context for me that I could really understand because sometimes just like, I'm hit with this lawsuit or I'm hit with that. I'm hit with, you know, some sort of attack, because the bigger and the more successful you get, the more you're attacked. And I always referenced Donald Trump, like how many attacks are on Donald Trump? You know, he's been someone I've looked up to and admired not way before he was president. One of the only books I read as a kid was The Art of the Deal. You know, like as a child, I'm talking like 11, you know. When I get attacked, if I'm in a funny mood, when I get attacked right now, or what I did in my, you know, as a lawyer, I would say, okay, I'm closer to becoming the president of the United States people. Yeah. Yeah. One closer to that. Yeah. There is, I like that. I like the reference to just taking a deep breath and saying thank you for that. I have like my daughters. Ironically, when you deal with that, like there's a siren, you run to the bomb shelter, you're sitting in the, like my, my youngest is seven. She's panicking in the bomb shelter. And we're like, oh, she's not going to get out of this. She's going to be with this scar for her entire life. And then my older daughter does something funny and makes her laugh. And then you're like, well, you know what? No other two siblings are having this sort of bonding out of the entire nine billion people on earth. There's like two siblings who just got this, this, this, this forged in fire moment that I wouldn't have transacted for in the first place. I wouldn't say, oh, please give me an existential war with missiles and everything so that my daughters can have this sibling moment. But that's already happened. This war is happening. So I'm grateful for this, like, sibling moment and nobody else has. They got this head start now on in a meritocratic capitalistic system, which I believe is strong and good. They have a head start. They just, they just got faster. I'm happy for that. And closer. So lots to take in. Now, let me ask you this. How did you transition from corporate law into launching our empowerment and building a movement around AI for professional services? How did it all start? I originally did not want to be a lawyer. I felt that I was separated too many degrees of separation from the active creation and innovation. I loved innovation from my early years in the army because we were basically a startup company for UAVs. So I viewed law as my 10,000 hours of being close to entrepreneurs. I read outliers and that's what I wanted to do. Eventually I did 45,000 hours because I double build. No, because I worked with a lot of great companies and I wanted to stay in that profession. But because I didn't want to be a lawyer in the first place, I was always critical of the professional service industry. I was like a Trojan horse in there looking at its weaknesses and its fallacies. And to me, if you ask me on a bad day, what I do, I say, well, I run a non-disclosure agreement Ponzi scheme. That's what I do. And my product is a turning word documents into PDFs because when drafts are signed, that's what I have any meaning. And I'm like, that was on a bad day. But in reality, I was looking at this profession and I'm like, wow, this is like, there's a bunch of people on the top who have seen thousands of transactions, hundreds more transactions than you would see in your business than any successful investor in entrepreneur would see in their business and they played both sides and they know how all the decision trees end up. That's to select few partners at the top. And you want their two cents because they are the data set that you need to access for your decision making plus your business intuition, which of course comes into play in your understanding of your own corporate culture. But you want to access their understanding and in exchange for their two cents for which you pay the fractional amount of their high hourly rate, you engage in a fraudulent pact with the pyramid of humans underneath them who are not even close to your experience. That is a problematic engagement. Something has to break that engagement. Something has to enable you to get those two cents and that's it without having to pay for all this. And you want to pay $10,000 for those two cents, but don't feed the beast with $100,000 to get those two cents. And then when AI came in, I got the link to GPT in September 2022. Oh my god, it's happening. It's done. It's done. It's the thing that they're charging for, that takes time, the creation of words, it's over. Because I know already to assume the exponential in technology, now how do you harness it? Because with all due respect to open AI, they ain't going to own the end client relationship. They're going to sell an API just like Microsoft sells, sells Microsoft Office to organizations, but they're not going to transform into a consulting firm. That doesn't make sense for them. They're already upstream. They're upstream. They can do it everything. But whoever owns the relationship with a client can start taking the consumer surplus. Like what the client's really willing to pay for the two cents if they monetize it right. And that's why we built ARC. It's from an economic place. It's not like a younger entrepreneur would say, it takes too long to prepare documents. Let's do something that makes more efficient the preparation process of documents. Now, I'm like, no, I want to bring the whole system down. I want to build a company that in the future will be one of the big six professional service firms in the world, but it will be built like Salesforce. It will be built like Microsoft. It will be a tech company for all intents and purposes. So explain to me the framework of ARC. It's a company that is mitigating the cost of professional services, preparing a lot of the documentation upfront. But it doesn't replace professional services. It just enhances the relationship. Well, I believe that professional service providers will be replaced not in one go, but increment by rather incrementally. So let's go back to when you were beginning with lawyers. Yeah, beginning with, no, no, the first, you know, who the biggest, the people that he etched you between AI the most is my lawyers. Yeah, of course they do. And you know, you know, the interesting, the ironic thing about it, by the way, to check this out. It's the if you IPO your company, the best document to prepare with GPT is the is the document they would have charged you the most for, which is your perspectives, because there are so many public perspectives. So GPT doesn't have to guess as much. That's a real sucker for them, because they would have they would have taken a million bucks for your perspectives. But now you're bringing them like a fully baked product with no problem. GPT five, a bit of cloth put in there. You know, you get a great document because that's publicly available. So the way it's done is incrementally. It's not that we respect the transition period. You can't just come to all taxi drivers, all of them and say autonomous cars, you're out of a job. Good luck. Ghost cabin. You can't do that. It has to be incremental. So how does it work? You're a founder. You just incorporated your company. There are 400,000 of you every year in the US alone. We just incorporated their company. What do you need to do? You got a business partner, you need a founders agreement. Go to ARC. It'll prepare founders agreement for you. Oh, but GPT will prepare founders agreement now. I know. It'll it'll substantively prepare founders agreement for you. It will advise you actively initiate advice to you to install reverse vesting mechanism. When you ask it, how many years of reverse vesting should I put on my co-founder? It will ask you what exactly your business is. It won't answer you. It'll ask you, what is your business? Is it a long time to market medical, medical device or is it a quick time to market device? Because if it's quick three years and if it's long four years, should there be acceleration if you let your co-founder go? Yeah, GPT might say that the acceleration is prevalent on the vesting, but actually there shouldn't be acceleration. If you let your co-founder go for any reason, they shouldn't hold on to the equity that will kill your business. Maybe you can give them two months extra worth of equity if you let them go because you have the majority, but that's it. But what's prevalent statistically in the GPT data set is that there is that there does exist acceleration and founder and purchase agreements because founder and purchase agreements are also signed vis-a-vis investors and investors you do ask for acceleration. It wouldn't have given you advice and had it given you advice, it would have been the wrong advice. Furthermore, you might not even have a founder. Maybe you're just shooting the ship with GPT about getting a founder. In which case, ARC is connected to databases and will help you find a founder. If your founder leaves it will help you broker it, the relationship. It will initiate a conversation with you about your one-pager and when you completed your one-pager with ARC, ARC will say, hey, we checked our database. These are the investors you can get to through us and our network, not cold calls from an AI, but rather these humans are affiliated with ARC. These humans know those humans. Those humans will invest in you because of XYZ because we read your one-pager. Do you want an intro? All the emails are drafted. And most importantly, when something extreme happens, ARC will say, you want to get your lawyer on the line to look at this. You're looking to fire someone who is terminally ill. God forbid. You have every right to fire him or her, but the law might protect them. This is a real nuance because they're specifically hired in England and you don't really know the law there. Do you want to get your lawyer on the line? You would say, yeah, I agree. We need a human on this one. But my lawyer isn't available. He's snowboarding in wherever in Utah. ARC will say, okay, do you want to get another lawyer on the line for this question? Bam, lawyer joins the conversation and you have a three-way conversation with another lawyer who's available. That's democratizing professional services. You don't need the same lawyer for every question you have. You need the same lawyer for the really heavy stuff that required 20 years of knowing you, right? But you know full well that about 80% of the questions you ask your lawyer, you could have received from another 80 lawyers at the same time if they were more available. You just asked your lawyer those questions because there's this exclusive relationship with your consulate area. Confident on Molletchit. You know, that's not the question. I love the democratization of professional services. I love the concept. And I guess you're in the middle of seed funding right now. You're basically, it's, and do you intend to go IPO with this and where is this in the process now? We have raised 1.5 million US. Israeli companies are very lean. We have 11 people. My CTO, by the way, I've been doing it since he was 18. Well before these systems were out. That's a great line. Yeah, he looks young, isn't he? Yeah. He's enjoying it. He built an agent, a research agent for NASA in a competition. One second place out of 300 companies that applied alone or with a friend. Are my CFO who's a co-founder was 15 years in Deloitte and Ernst & Young CPA. So he knows the financial side. My CFO was CFO in a company from a former founder of Oculus. And our chairman was the CFO, 73, with CFO, three NASDAC rated companies in the 90s and managing partner into massive Israeli VCs in early 2000s. So we've got that structure. We raised 1.5. I think we're launching this complex product sorry on the first of October. It's not live. Arcs not live. Well, if you call me, you could use it right now, but it's not live. It'll be live on the first of October. It is a deep system to build. Other people will say, oh, this is a wrapper. So no wrapper by any means. So it's taken a year and a half to develop this thing. But it's in beta with you and test people. Yeah, it has been tested by quite a few companies already. They love it. We fixed what they asked us to. What's going to be the cost? Monthly fee for this. 200 bucks is what I believe we will get out of a user per month. How do we get it per month? It doesn't mean they pay 200 bucks a month in the early going, but 50 bucks a month in the early going. But they will start paying per action when they increase their usage. And then I believe it'll peter out around 200, 250 bucks a month because that's sort of what you pay GPT pro, but you get much more in arc. And it's LLM agnostic. We do perplexity, Germany, deep research functions when we need them, not when we don't, etc. Right? Lama. So we're agnostic. You get the intros. I believe they'll transition. They're business conversations. Like I believe where it ends is that you have your personal existence with GPT or with Claud if they, you know, overtake them or other. You have your professional AI existence. Certainly if you're an entrepreneur and in the future, perhaps in more mature companies in arc. What do we do with a company? I would love for someone to say, I get your thesis. You've seen enough to to to to to make this an educated thesis. Here are six million to eight million dollars to conquer the world because that's pretty much all we need for our seed. What will happen? Realities that we need to launch our product, show usage, and probably then the VCs will come to us and we'll have a selection of venture capitalist to choose from. And you know, my heart of hearts, I've seen some entrepreneurs get that funding on an idea. But this is a big play in a very competitive space. Hi, I'm saturated. Hi, percentage. You yourself said that you saw a company that does something similar. Just when I described arc to you, perhaps I'm professional services specifically for lawyers, but you're talking about encapsulating every professional service and yeah, going a little bit above and beyond it, actually doing a lot of the work that the professional services would provide. And then getting it to like 80% of the finish line the last 20%. You got it. But you see what happened there? It took me, but that's a hard thing to explain. Exactly. It took me to a yummy. Explain that to my 10 year old daughter. Yeah, it's tough and it took me 10. It took me, but it should because your kids know chat GPT. Yeah. Well, my daughter knows how to sell for posterity now. She's going to be selling it around the school like the book company. So we'll start with that. And ironically, my daughter's used GPT to calm them down when they're scared, you know, with the missile with the missile sirens and stuff like that. So I'm sure as they grow and they understand what counseling is, they'll they'll get what arc does. But the fact that it took me being invited to your podcast and like a 20 minute conversation to explain it is why, I guess we'll raise the VC money after after we have some usage. Yeah, I think the easiest way is just to dumb it down. The exp or the use case like maybe ask GPT, how do I dumb this down for a 10 year old? Yeah, that's good. I'll do it. You know, like just like dumb this down to a 10 year old. I will understand. When you're in love with your when you're not entrepreneur, you're like in love with your vision and your idea, you get so deep into it and you don't dumb it down. You don't sell. You don't do the closing, you don't do the closing. So you don't get coffee. You got to dumb this down. Now, what, you know, through four-posterity, which is, by the way, it's a crazy name for posterity. How'd you go over that name? I like the word posterity. The product is called Vona. So you go to studio.vonastory.ai or app.vonastory.ai or just go to vonastory.ai, v-o-n-a and you just speak with Vona. But the company is called four-posterity because we're thinking about next generations. Gotcha. Now for posterity, you use story telling to preserve legacy. That's a little bit easier to understand by the way than than ARC. What story are you telling through run-way building for startups? I like the rapper story, the rapper narrative, underdog coming up from the slums and making a big name and a big career for themselves. I like going ironically, like what I heard here, I like going from like not enough to more than enough, like to not having enough to more than enough. I like the, frankly, it's cliche. I like the American dream. You know, what can I say? Wait for you. Let me tell you, don't move anywhere but Orange County here, right here. Oh, we're loving it here. This is the best place in America. We're loving it here. We're notably Newport Beach. It's a date. Look, we were, I mean, no fence, to the folks at Palo Alto. We were walking there for the last week and I'm afraid that they got got punched different COVID and they haven't, I didn't find the oomph there like that I thought I would. Certainly not what I haven't tell of even here. It's like in these office spaces, there's energies. Crazy. I love it. Yeah, yeah, we're pretty blessed here. Now looking back, whether on a pitch, a boardroom, personal low moment, which insight would early Nimrod be proud to see today? In me. Yeah. I, to the point where it pisses off my, like my friends and my family, I refuse to believe that any person in my life is serving the role of the villain in my sort of like story. I refuse to believe that someone is being nefarious or malicious towards me. It's to the point where if I'm in a red light, the second car and the first car is just not moving for the entire, you know, period of the green light. I'm talking about that. Like a comedy video about it. Yeah, coming out and just seeing. So I think we have a lot like a lot of things that we maybe think about in our different, in our different continents. They're the same. I wouldn't honk the horn because I tell myself this story of what's happening to this person who of course is on their phone and don't give it crap. But it doesn't matter. I don't believe that any person has villainous intentions. And what this does for me is that I have zero paranoia. All I need to do to deal with a situation is reverse engineer someone's, you know, actions towards me or towards my company or towards my family. I just have to reverse engineer them to core and understand what interests led them to where they are. Now it doesn't change how I'd act towards them. But it removes the concept of actual like a villainy or evil from the table. Like, oh, a lot of people are coming to get me. The founders that I represented over the years were always so paranoid about their co-founders screwing them or their investors screwing them. Instead of like seeing the slow evolution of events, you know, the slow chain of events that would have led to something like that. So you just want to sort of like monitor that and not feel like everybody's coming to get you. And I've been, I'm proud, my younger self would be very proud of me because I've managed to do that with our enemies. Like, I will, they did evil things. Their actions were evil towards us. And we have to take care of that right now. We have to save our people. However, however, we shouldn't be misguided to believe that they will randomly continue to be evil for the rest of time. We must take action to understand what happens, what leads a person to be in that state. Not what we did that caused them to be in that state. I'm not taking here any, you know, necessarily responsibility for. But if we understand what happens, especially in the education system, for example, then once this war is over and we do what we need to do and we finish it, then we focus on that. Like, can people, can people can people just start at the age of six without being taught to hate, maybe a different chain of events will evolve. And it's already, by the way, happening in the south of Gaza, there are new schools being opened. And suddenly the school play isn't about like, you know, what they were before. And I am optimistic. I'm eternally optimistic. You can call me stupid, but optimistic. But if I won't be optimistic, then there's no point in doing business. There's no point in investing. There's no point in doing anything. And certainly not raising kids. And starting startups and trying to, you've got to be optimistic. Now, one thing I learned from a podcast that's airing right now, I had the pleasure of interviewing here on Gracie, who's the son of Horyeong Gracie, who was the founder of the UFC, the Gracie family. And he said, this is the prince of Jiu-Jitsu. He said, what's the biggest lesson that Jiu-Jitsu has taught you? And he's like, you know what it taught me? He's like, that everything in life is going to be okay. There's bombs throwing something happens. My dad dies. Everything's going to be okay. That concept stuck with me because, like, regardless of what happens, life goes on. Everything's going to be okay. And it is what it is. So it's just something tough to deal with when you're being bombed. It's like just to be grateful for that bombing. It's hard to understand. Just don't have that breath to take. Yeah, exactly. Now it's easier because you're sort of like focused on just the breath taking. And I liked that a lot. I would have thought that Gracie would have said that what he learned is that everything needs to be taken down to ground level. But you guys know about Gracie because you guys are kings of Kramagawa there. Yeah. Well, we sort of like, we do Kramagawa is more about like unfair fighting at I level. But Gracie would have just taken down anyone, right? 200-300 pounds to the floor. He's no problem. Yeah. He's actually, he's, you know, he's like six foot four. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. He's six foot. He kind of looks like you. Six four. Really ripped. Well, oh, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So a couple last questions. What's a personal goal that you have for yourself, a business goal that you have for the business and a family goal that you have for the family? I would like it's written in the book that I wrote. Promoting happiness. My North Star is legacy. That's my North Star. I would like to have something in this world that transcends my existence. I would like my, you know, my wife, my spouse to live out her dream life as my partner. Like to live out her dream life and to me, for me to be her partner. And no matter what, I would like my daughters to have a better life than me and to somehow manage to retain the lessons that I've learned from mine. Because otherwise you get into that loop of, you know, hard times make hard people, hard people make easy times, easy times make weak people, weak people make hard times. I don't want to get to that. But I would like them to evolve to be an evolution of where I'm at and, you know, correct for my mistakes, et cetera. And I would like to continue, I would like to treat like the pursuit of happiness as a continuous journey that you always correct for. Can I make a small reference? Yes. I read the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. And the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy basically says, spoiler, the meaning of life is 42. And then the people in the book ask this computer that calculated the meaning of life. What the hell are we supposed to do with that piece of information? The meaning of life is 42. So the computer told them you didn't ask the right question. So you only got the answer, but you didn't ask the question for which the answer is 42. So they said, well, tell us the questions. I'm not a strong enough computer. You have to live your life to actually get to that question. So I have four questions that guide me for which the quote unquote, like funny, ironic answer is 42. And they are, how many memories must I constantly look to erase in order to escape the weight of my past? Like not all of it, just 42, right? How many dreams should I forsake? Because I have a bunch of ideas for companies and startups. So how many dreams must they put aside to truly embrace the present? It's 42. How many things that are told to me is absolute truths? Should I dismiss as false as fallacies because of this age of disinformation in order to really continue to pursue the truth? And the final one, which is the most important one, at each point in time, no matter what, how many acts of kindness are you away from pure contentment? Only 42 acts of kindness, you'd be happy. Like at each point in time. So I want to sort of live by that. That's sort of guides me. Where did I get three of those four questions? When I turned 42, I went into GPT and I said, Hey, Mofo, it's time I'm 42. Tell me the question for which the answer is 42 from Hitchhiker's Guide. And GPT answers, Oh, I've been waiting for someone to ask me this. And it gives me all the questions because the book doesn't give you that that respite. It doesn't. That is so cool. So you got that from GPT two years ago. I got that from GPT a year ago when I was 42. You're four, you're all half a year older than me. That's six months. Sorry, did I reveal something? Yeah, maybe 44 soon. Yeah, 24 hours. Last question. Last question for you. When you're in front of the pearly gates, what do you think God's going to tell you? Oh, you were fun to watch. Nimrod, that's the coolest answer I've ever had on the show. If you want to connect with you, how do they find you? Right now it's linked in, but I'll do my homework. You told me that I don't have a digital presence brand building is especially in the age of AI. How can chat GPT or ARC or Gemini or Cloud make a decision to work with you if it cannot aggregate or reason from the data that it has online has nothing on you other than this podcast, which is not even up yet. Oh, to be fair, online there's a bunch of stuff, but I don't maintain it religiously on my social platforms, which I must. That's what I need to say. I mean, online there's a bunch of stuff, but like quotes podcasts. I need to be there. You know, like everything that we say on this show, everything that you've ever published, every book, every that book, I'm hoping it's in Kindle form. It is an audiobook read by my voice, but not by me. I was going to do my audiobook like that. And I was like, oh, do I do it? I already read a couple chapters like because it's so hard to go through my book and do that. From now, I haven't had the time to do that. But no, I'll send you a company and it'll be your voice. You'll record yourself like admission impossible, saying like five sentences. Yeah, and that's it. Is that 11 labs? Like we were going to do. Well, no, this one's this to use your voice, really, I think it's a different solution that my that my publisher used. This recorded me for five minutes. That sounded good. Sounds awesome. Okay, cool. I had someone like listen to the whole thing and they're like, I said to my best friend and he said, that's you. With the same, like delivery of a sentence, the same delivery, which mine is like, what bit wacky, the same wacky delivery. I'm saying, yeah, yeah, we're both wacky. I need that because I don't have five hour, 10 hours, going to make like 15 hours to record my book. I don't have time. Well, yeah, we're going to work on that. But everything you do, everything is uploaded. Everything is like, now, the cool thing is, you know, AI, it can reason and make decisions for people. So the, you know, you, you in this world, AI indexing and that's going to be the book I'm going to publish next AI indexing the importance of an indexing and it's not just personal brand. It's who you are. Everything, it's everything that you say it's and consumers are looking to make a decision based on the what chat GPT tells them. It's not them making the decision anymore. AI makes the decision. If you can't reason based on the data that aggregates from all the different sources, you got nothing. So a few years, a few thousand years ago, so we were crazy. Well, people saw we were crazy, but it happened. Like a few, a few, a few thousand years ago, somebody took a, somebody took a, whatever, what do you call it with you, write on a stone. I don't know what you use. But somebody took that and wrote on the stone. Big nail. Big nail. Big nail. Big nail. Thanks. Rot on a stone. That's a Rosetta stone. And that is like how we know, you know, to interpret different languages, Latin languages today, or to connect them to Egyptian, higher glyphs. That's how we know that. We are now living in a moment in time where each and every one of us are writing on the Rosetta stone of the future. If we don't write on it, it's not there. Some other story is going to be told when people picked this up 5,000 years from now. We're this whole thing that we're doing. This is an encryption on the Rosetta stone of the future. That's personal. That right there. The encryption, your personal brand is the encryption on the Rosetta stone. Yeah, I truly believe that. Right now, LinkedIn though, if somebody wants to get home. With him right, it's been a pleasure to have you on the show. I look forward to connecting with you, diving deeper, your brilliant guy. God bless you. I hope you had everyone here, goals and I'll see you in heaven. Thank you.