Where is Daniel Morcombe? | 8. Daniel

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This morning, he's headed off to his first assignment as a state emergency service volunteer, known locally as the orange angels. As I put my boots on that day, I felt something was going to happen. As we drove down approaching the search site, all the houses had red balloons, red hearts, and red streamers. And there's residents just waving vigorously to us. He's this army of people going in to search for Daniel. And that lifted me. It's a long road. It goes with quite a few kilometres. And we go a bit further and the house is stopped and the bitchman stops. And then left and right is plantation. I started becoming less-formed and more of a track. And you could have imagined how Daniel felt. Where is this guy taking me? What's happening? Pat's car continues down the dirt road, flanked by pines. Suddenly, the road spills into a large slab of farmland with macadamia trees, base camp. The actual search site is further away, and the overgrown scrub of an old deserted sand quarry. It had been raining. It was a bit misty. There was incredible solace. Pat joins the line of nearly 40 individuals, stretched out across the bush. They're on their knees. Heads down. Further to shoulder. Inching forward slowly. I could hear some of the girls crying. Daniel's spirit was in the air. His spirit was in the birds, in the trees, in the breeze. And as I was searching, it's removing the material, going through every morsel. And then placing it behind me, I like it picture was the images of Daniel that have been published. That's all I saw. We kept on going. At the rate of about 1 meter per hour, he's all I'm researching. Then, Pat notices something. On my unearthed, an item that was rammed, was about 4 centimeters in diameter. Pat was like a solid of a tennis ball, a curvature. And it was brown in color. It was porous in texture. And it had calcium leaching out the side. I called the team leader and she picked it up and she said, that's a hip, and he was human. I said, that's a bone fragment. And that's not an entire piece in this morsel. I mean, I wanted to continue searching. So I had, Pat, five police served my shop. And I continued searching. And then I found another piece. And that was like half a chisel. And dug again and now the piece just rolled out in front of me. And that was like half a bowtoy. And I was shaking. Basically, we exhumed a human who was the most known child in Australia. And I had this feeling. I can't describe it. I felt, as I held him, I felt the love that Daniel had for his mother. And it was a love that I could describe as even when he went to school he missed his mother. I'm Matt Angel. And from Sony Music Entertainment and Campside Media, this is Where Is Daniel Warcom? Episode 8. Daniel. It's an uncomfortable request to make, but I knew I had to try. After seven years of knowing Daniel's story of, at times, obsessing over it, I felt I needed to retrace his steps from December 7, 2003, from that dream home in Palm Woods to the hail and ride bus stop beneath the Keel Mountain Road overpass. From the church parking lot to Kuchin Creek, from the McAdamiya farm to the old San Quarry. Initially, Bruce and Denise weren't so sure. But somehow, one Sunday, I found myself in their car. I got out at each stop. I think I just wanted to feel close to the person who has had such an impact on so many. Myself included. Bruce and Denise stayed in the car once we got to the quarry. And with some directions from Bruce, I walked off, around a locked gate, and down a trail. It's actually hard to believe that I'm standing here. You see it a certain way in your head for almost seven years. And then you see the real place. I trudged across the landscape to the edge of an embankment and stared into the trees. I was standing where the Morgan family had stood, silently embracing each other nearly fourteen years prior. They wore blue forensic overalls, gloves, surgical masks, covered from head to toe so as not to contaminate the search area with their DNA. Because no more than 50 meters from the edge of that embankment, investigators believed they had found Daniel. Within the week, DNA tests confirmed it. I think my back gets and said, it's a sad answer, but it's an answer. Deputy Commissioner Ross Barnett, Greenlit, Brett Peter Cowan's arrest, because he believed that Cowan's recorded confession to undercover operatives would be enough to secure a conviction. But the idea that any corroborating evidence might still exist to support that confession? It had been almost eight years. It was a heavily wooded area rife with wild animals. The vegetation was dense. Floods had hammered the terrain. We had no real expectation of finding anything. And the fact we did was, you know, a small miracle. And there were more miracles to come. One of the things Brett Cowan had confessed to the undercover operatives was that after he stripped Daniel's clothes from his body, he tossed them off a nearby bridge into a fast flowing creek. Tied around some mangrove roots in very shallow water in the creek, we found the band of the underpants that Daniel had been wearing. And they found, buried under a couple of inches of silt and sand under the water. The remains of some of the other clothes that he'd been wearing that day, they were still there. Right where he said they'd be, eight years later. Now, we had no right to be able to recover those items in those circumstances after all that time. You know, he'd had all the luck for about eight years. And then all of a sudden, we ended up starting to have the luck. In all, just 17 bones were found. We didn't find much of Daniel. I was told that what was found of Daniel would probably fit in a secret box. The day after Brett Peter Cowan's arrest, Bruce and Denise faced a swarm of media outside their home. One journalist asked if they planned to continue the Daniel Morcombe Foundation. We said, yeah, we've worked too hard for so many years. We're going to continue and have this foundation grow. Even after the first of Daniel's remains were found, the morcombs didn't stop. We set up the foundation for the search for Daniel, but we also set it up to educate children on child safety. For months, they had been organizing a tour of the Queensland coast. Bruce and Denise would visit schools and present the foundation's latest child safety curriculum. People say, you shouldn't go, you don't need to go on that. We said, no, we go. What could Bruce and I do? We couldn't sit in a chair at home doing nothing because that's not part of us. They had made a commitment and they honored it for Daniel. We had a big trailer and we just drove off and there was about 2,000, 3,000 kilometre trip up there and then another couple of thousand coming home. From one town to the next, they were greeted by crowds wearing red and brandishing hand-made signs showing their support. We love you, mocombs. We won't forget Daniel. Belorns. For 2,000 kilometres, it was extraordinary. They were astounded by the outpouring of love. Like we get to the service station and by petrol, we get there at the counter and the person before us had already paid for it. And then we got to Cans and they were, I'm not kidding, there would have been 2,000 people waiting for us in the park there. But it was a difficult journey for the couple. Periodically, the police commissioner would ring Denise or myself and it's like, look, letting you know before the media get hold of it. There'd been another find of Daniel's remains, another bone, whatever it may have been. Sometimes we were within 30 minutes of walking to a school. You need to compose yourself. You're going to meet teachers, school principals, mums and dads and of course kids that you've never met in your life. So you've got to do your best. But you had to flick that tear away and say, I'm here to make their life better and safer and that's what we did. When they returned from the tour, all Bruce and Denise wanted was to collect their sons' remains, to finally separate him from the investigation, to take him home. And we asked them, can we please have a funeral for Daniel? Remy said. You will not receive Daniel's remains until all avenues of appeal have been extinguished. And we just felt it was so injust, it just seemed a play for power that played by our rules as we go through the court processes or for some foreseeable future you won't get Daniel's remains. It seemed almost a ransom. They waited 15 months. I know we were in Brisbane and we had a newspaper article that was being written and it was going to be printed on the Friday morning. It was going to be the front page news talking about how the police, the DPP and the coroner wouldn't release Daniel's remains. The coroner phoned Bruce up about four or five o'clock on that Thursday afternoon and said Daniel's remains are going to be released. Maybe the impending front page news story in no way influenced the sudden release of Daniel's remains after those 15 long months or maybe it did, but only one thing mattered to the morgons. And we were able to start working on Daniel's funeral that evening and we had it a week later. We went to the funeral parlour, probably one of the most difficult times in your life. A private room within that room was a small white coffin with a gold cross and gold handles. A beautiful coffin really. The undertaker there said, would you like me to open the coffin so you can reflect? We declined. I didn't want to say Daniel as he is. I wanted to see and remember Daniel as he was. So I didn't want to look at these remains. There's a few bones that were in there. So we left the coffin closed and the next night I walked out knowing tomorrow's the day. Daniel Morkum was laid to rest on December 7, 2012. It was the nine year anniversary of his death. Sunshine Coast parents Bruce and Denise Morkum have waited nine long years to bring their son home. And today they will finally give him the farewell he deserves. Will you tell me about the funeral? No, don't worry. My heart broke. I watched those soulful blue eyes fill with a pain that can't be put into words. And then? Well, it was outside Catherine's of C&N. And one of the girls from the foundation had organized, sort of, say, not in the art group, sort of let people know that the funeral would be on. Now, people wanted to have specific seating and parts of the church. There were thousands of people there. Quite a few people that you knew from school, teachers. They're asking everyone to wear red, which is the colour that he was wearing the day he disappeared. We did allow TV cameras into the church. It was our way of thanking the public because they wanted to be there as well. So while there were perhaps two or three thousand people at the church inside the church at some outside, it was live broadcast around Australia. It really has touched the hearts and affected everyone, not just hearing Queensland, but right throughout the country. On Daniel's coffin, we put a beautiful photo that Daniel had in the crystal photo frame, and also had a couple of Christmas presents that we had in the cupboard that Daniel had in open. So we put those on top of his coffin as well. You do your best, you shed a tear, say goodbye, you walk outside, and the motorcade slowly takes off the Nasis mums and tears, the Nasis and tears look great. We head off to the cemetery where it was a quite profit service. 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Just a hot skip and a click away. And what? No better feeling than when everything just clicks by your car today on Carvona delivery fees may apply. On March 13th, 2014, Brett Peter Cowan was found guilty of the murder of Daniel Marco. The next day he received his sentence. It took more than 10 years to convict to Brett Peter Cowan. It took less than an hour to lock him away for life. The judge told Cowan he was beyond rehabilitation and should never be released. They face a lifetime of grief, but for now the Morgan family can take comfort. Justice for their son and brother has been one. It would have been so easy to stand up as human nature would say that's what you're going to do. You're going to say, I hope you're rotting hell, you animal, whatever. You're going to give him a spray. What the family did, we turned our back to Cowan. And we gave each other a hug, a few of us were in tears. But that moment we were not going to give Cowan any satisfaction and disgrace ourselves in court. You want to give that person a piece of your mind. But we didn't say anything. We just turned our back and that was that. Cowan's legal team contested the ruling on appeal twice. And twice they failed. Today, nearly 22 years after taking Daniel's life, Brett Peter Cowan is serving his life sentence at the Woolston Correctional Center, a high security prison in Brisbane. He's unlikely to ever see the light of day. And yet, somehow, this isn't where the story ends. The mystery of what happened to Daniel had been solved. But the coronial inquest into Daniel's disappearance and murder always had another aim to assess the investigation. In December of 2016, the proceedings resumed with a new corner by the name of Terry Ryan. The question at the heart of the matter had pleased missed an opportunity to catch Brett Peter Cowan's tumor. These final two days of the inquiry laid bare just how much politics inside the investigation and beyond it had shaped the case from the very start. You might recall Task Force Argos detectives Dennis Martin and Ken King. The two men had been the first to interview Cowan just two weeks after Daniel had vanished. They had retraced Cowan's alleged movements and identified a 45-minute gap in his alibi. They had prepared a report. And Ken King had briefed the major incident room on December 22, 2003. Both Ken King and Dennis Martin were called to give evidence at the inquest in 2016. While on the stand, Dennis Martin recalled the conversation that took place in the immediate aftermath of King's MIR brief. I had the infamous conversation with the lead detective in the whole way. He was going to pass and I said, look, Cowan, you're mean. I think you should flag us on him. And the exact words were similar to that was just, fuck off, what would you know? And that was the end of that conversation, you know? What was his name? Condon. Condon, as in Mike Condon, the detective inspector at the time, and the man in charge of the case from beginning to end. Mike Condon was a decorated officer and respected by many. But my conversations with people suggested a reputation that was more complicated. Some said he was a competent and dedicated investigator. Others said he was difficult, prickly, and even a dictator. But it was never these descriptions of Condon that struck me most. It was the change I witnessed in some people when he was brought up. The energy of the interview would just shift as if they suddenly remembered they were being recorded. That wasn't so much the case with Dennis Martin though. He had no problem sharing his feelings about Condon on the record. He was just a fellow that had a very bad disposition on life. I don't know whether he liked life or hated life, but he's just one of those sort of people, just an asshole on life. You know, that's why it was and that's why he used. When Condon took the stand during this final part of the Inquest, he denied the conversation with Martin ever happened. In the corner concluded, there was insufficient evidence to find that it took place. Regardless, some people I spoke with still side with Martin on this one. One detective said, if you asked 100 people who knew Mike Condon if they thought he said that to Martin that day, 100 people would tell you he did. And Ken King certainly believed his partner. I trust Dennis anyway. Polly because he just not have a reason to lie because he's not worried about, like he just hasn't had some agenda. It's just not in his style to even bother. We reached out to Mike Condon several times, but he declined to be interviewed for this podcast. He said that he doesn't make comment on operational matters in retirement. But to understand Condon's alleged reaction is to understand where many were at this early point in the investigation. Douglas Jackaway was a prime suspect. He had a criminal history as dark as cowons, a familiarity with the area, opportunity, and a shifting alibi. Plus, he had been driving a blue car, one that perfectly matched the blue car so many eyewitnesses had seen near the underpass. The problem? Hindsight. We now know that Douglas Jackaway had nothing to do with the crime. It was Brett Peter Cowan, an argument that Dennis Martin and Ken King made in King's brief to the MIR. That Cowan was an equally compelling suspect who demanded attention. King and Martin also claimed that their report on Cowan was nothing short of extensive. All of the information in the two job logs plus attachments. Photos of Cowan, his car and the car's tire treads, printouts of his criminal history and the recordings from their interactions with him. But something curious happened in 2011. Following Brett Peter Cowan's arrest, in preparation for court proceedings, an investigator followed up with Ken King about those early interactions. I said, well, there were ports, a good starting point, and he said what report? I said that it was not a report or a court missing. It wasn't the only thing that would end up going missing. The recordings disappeared too. As did Ken King's notebook. Ken had left the Queensland Police Service in 2008. As was standard protocol, he checked in any notebooks he had used on investigations over the years. Please keep these things stored should they ever be needed for future matters. One of those notebooks that Ken turned over contained his notes from his days on Operation Bravo Vista. In 2013, he was called to give evidence at Cowan's pretrial. So I asked for my notebook in case I needed to refresh my memory during the pretrial hearing and I was told it was missing. Apparently it had been misplaced after being signed out by someone on an unrelated matter. I made it really clear to a few people that I wouldn't be stopping whatever ruckus I needed to cause until my notebook was found. And my notebook was produced to the pretrial hearing it was found. Ken made clear that given the notebook was found, the court proceedings were in no way impacted. Still, he doesn't understand why it ever went missing in the first place. Then, at the 2016 inquest, King and Martin learned that their original report had been found as well. But what officers presented was not the extensive report that the detectives swear they turned over to their superiors. The report I produced in the court was a redacted report from some of the facts that were reported. It was just over two pages, and notably absent, the attachments, including the printouts of Cowan's criminal history, which Ken King insists were included. He recognized some aspects of the text as their own, but he was adamant that those pages were nothing more than a summary of the comprehensive report that they had submitted. After discussing all of this with Ken, I put a question to him. Knowing what you know today, the report goes missing, the recordings go missing. You are no book for a period of time goes missing. Do you believe this was by coincidence? No. The inquiry found no evidence to suggest a more extensive report beyond that of the three-page document ever existed. But a few years ago, Dennis Martin was doing a cleanup of his old computer files. He came across a hard drive he didn't recognize with a USB stick attached. I was transferring everything on my computer because it's about 30 years old. I opened up the big hard drive and in the bottom was a USB stick and I said, please, I don't know, much on here, put on there. It came up with a few things, it came up with the operation for Daniel Morcombe, and he was the original report had not been changed or touched since 2003. So that was the original report, which was quite lengthy and had everything that Ken and I had always said it had on it. The police always maintained that Brett Cowan was a primary suspect throughout the case. But police actions or lack of actions here might speak louder than words. When detective seized Cowan's vehicle in the days following King and Martin's brief, materials were collected for testing. But that material wasn't submitted to forensics for five months, where it remained untested for four more years. Dennis Martin recalls submitting suggestions to seize Cowan's computers and phone records. But that wouldn't be done for 18 months. Cowan's wife at the time? She wasn't officially interviewed by investigators for 18 months. He was never one of the four suspects displayed on the major incident rooms photo board. Here's what I think. I think that all of this points to something major being missed by the police. There's one more story worth mentioning here. A story that has bothered me since the moment I heard it. In the lead up to Brett Peter Cowan's confession, detective Grant Limwood and one of the covert's controllers were chatting in Perth. We joke, oh, we'll never have to buy a beer again if we can pull this off and come back. And the reality was quite different, which surprised me. I got the distinct impression that as weird as it sounds, not everyone's happy sometimes when something like this happens. The question I keep asking myself is, were the police so determined to tie the blue card to Douglas Jackaway and charge him with Daniel's murder, that they refused to listen to some of their own detectives regarding Brett Peter Cowan? And as it became clear that Cowan might be guilty, were attempts made to cover malfeasance? Did they care so much about being right, that they disregarded doing what was right? The inquest itself did not conclude that investigators had acted inappropriately or made improper decisions. Some questions were referred to the Crime and Corruption Commission, but the CCC2 found a no evidence of misconduct. But the inquest did agree that, yes, more could have been done to focus on Brett Peter Cowan early on. Detective Limwood feels the same. If you want to write something off properly, as we say, to really run it out, there's a way to do it, and there's a few steps that have been missed. But, and I do know the same people that had to investigate him were probably doing ten other POIs, so I won't be critical of that. But in an ideal world, there's a few things that should have been done. But the corner also said that he didn't believe it was necessary or helpful to retroactively evaluate every element of the QPS investigation. He concluded that even if Cowan had been pressed harder, it was speculative to suggest that the investigation would have drawn to its conclusion any sooner. Limwood also agrees with this finding. I don't know if it ever would have been solved in a weird way. It's the passage of time and it's that sequence of events that led to him perhaps being comfortable enough to one day admit it. I don't know. It's just one of those very interesting convoluted stories that perhaps had to happen the way it did. Does it make sense? It does to me. I try my best to believe that things happen for a reason. In this case, everything led to the Mr. Big Sting. And if it hadn't been for that high stakes operation, Cowan may have never confessed to the covert operatives, or let investigators to Daniel's remains. Daniel may never have been found. Still, one of the primary purposes of an inquest is to bring change. So I, Ken King, was willing to sit down with me. He harbors no illusion that he is the victim in this story. But if his speaking out can help improve the system even a little bit? Because this is kind of the point we're making is how much better can we do things? So that next time an offender like this is investigated, we've somehow incrementally advanced just society to improve things a bit. As a result of Daniel's coronal inquest, the Queensland Police Service now requires a mandatory, independent review at the 12-month mark of any homicide or suspicious high-risk missing persons case. For better or worse, this investigation had a massive impact on the lives of those involved. Julie Elliott, the police liaison who grew close with the family as they faced their darkest days. For years, she struggled with the effects the case had on her emotionally. Ken King and Dennis Martin ended up leaving the police force. And Grant Limwood saw his days in the homicide division come to an end. And the covert operatives, without whom none of this would have been possible? I tried to reach them through various avenues, but they declined any requests for interviews. Grant Limwood still speaks to some of them, though. And he has seen firsthand the toilet's taken. They're all absolutely destroyed by it. They're quite sensitive about it. They'll talk openly to me about it, but only in hushed whispers somewhere. You can see it's had effect on them. I couldn't do it. I think they're brilliant. Every single detective I spoke with went out of their way to make one thing perfectly clear. In the end, all that matters is that the case was solved. That Brett Cowan is off the street. And that the Moorcombs got the answers they deserved. There's no one here to any part of it, but many, many people played a critical role in the very strange sequence of events that led to this ending. Were it not for the extraordinary amount of work that so many police did fruitlessly chasing every useless red herring across the state to get rid of that? It wouldn't have been where it was. That should be recognised. A lot of it went nowhere, but though, G-so, we're trying. Were it not for then the assistance of the coronal process, Peter Boyce, the wonderful staff at coroner's office, all of that getting involved, the Western Australia police, the bits. We did the covert operatives. It all led to one huge sequence that it always needs to be recognised the part of unplayed. Which brings us back to Bruce and Denise. They are, after all, the beating heart of this story, the two people who faced the worst pain, who fought harder than anyone, who refused to give up, who never stopped pushing for answers regardless of the challenges they faced. Perhaps, if they hadn't gone through this, they wouldn't be doing what they're doing today. I'm walking through downtown Brisbane with Lee Parker. It's March 15th, 2025, and I'm on my way to City Hall for the 20th Dance for Daniel. That other guy, Lee Parker, that's my best friend. He was Daniel's age and living on the sunshine coast when the abduction occurred. I wouldn't be telling this story if it weren't for Lee. He told me about Daniel, and then he introduced me to Bruce and Denise. We went about our red ties. The entire exterior of the building is lit red for the dance. It's pretty incredible. There are just hundreds of people in formal attire zigzagging through lines in front to be let in. This is incredible. As we were checking in, I took a quick look at the guest list. I see Julius here, Pat McShane. How are you? We just saw your name. Oh, okay. We were like, oh my god, that's Pat. We're total 58. 58, okay. Thank you, Pat. Peter Boyce, Ross Barnett, Tim Ryan, everyone was here. All right, now we're walking into the main event. Denise Morkham told me to look up. At the ceiling. Oh, wow. There's a giant projection on it. It's all red lights, and it has the logo of the Daniel Morkham Foundation established 2005 t-shirt and a special banner, 20 years of keeping kids safe. And then Denise, Bruce, and Dean walked onto the stage, dressed to the nines. They carried themselves like the celebrities I'd always been told they were. The event was mind-blowing. Never in a million years could I have imagined how massive the Daniel Morkham Foundation really is. Its scope and the impact it has had on an entire country was on full display that night. The foundation has made astonishing accomplishments in the last 20 years. Since its inception around the Morkham's kitchen table, it has grown into Australia's leading voice for child safety. Something like 90 people joined Bruce and Denise on the first walk for Daniel. Last year, the 20th day for Daniel began with that walk, an estimated two million people were read and took part across the nation. The curriculum they've developed has been adopted nationally. Free counseling and assistance is provided for young victims of crime. The list goes on and on, because Bruce and Denise Morkham have dedicated their lives to this cause. To making sure that whatever happened to their little boy never happens to any other child. John Rouse was also at the dance for Daniel that night. He's the one who, at the turn of the century, was brought in to launch the Internet Division at Task Force Argos, the division which played a pivotal role in the earliest days of Daniel's case. Back then, John was adamant that the general public needed to be made more aware of the dangers of the Internet. So he started organizing public presentations, which led to a chance encounter. He was in a hotel somewhere in the city. My card didn't remember what the nature of the actual event was, but I was speaking probably for about an hour on Argos and what we do and all of that kind of thing. I remember saying that the reason we do what we do and we're pushing so hard is to never let what happened to the Morkham family happen again to another family. That was how I concluded and I was picking up a laptop and most people had gone and then one of the organizers came up to me and said, I want this lady to talk to you and I was like, okay, you're sure. I didn't recognize her, but she was visibly shaken, distressed, but she didn't say anything and I, you know, can I help you? It was nice to meet you. And she just, she took my hand and shook it and then she left. Look, you trigger people sometimes when you talk about this, it happens, but I didn't realize that it was the Morkham that I just spoke into. And I'll never forget that. Daniel's case and Bruce and Denise's perseverance over the years shaped the course of John Rouse's career. I saw the trauma that they were going through and I just went, I'm going to do everything I can to never let another family go through this. So like at the dance the other night, they got us to record messages and the message for me to them was very simply that, you know, your legacy is the foundation. You know, you can't measure how many children who heard your message that then was safeguarded because they acted on it. Well, never know. But I did say that one of the legacies too actually is also like the beating heart of Tassel Saagos because your legacy was what drove that team to just do everything it could. You know, we went from a very small team of three doing the dealing with internet crimes against children to a team of nearly 40. And by the time we finished, we were leading global operations involving pretty much the biggest agencies in the world. Euro poll, Interpol, FBI, HSI, RCMP, the network of intelligence and law enforcement agencies that have come together to share information and resources in the global fight to protect children. It's enormous. A pretty amazing achievement for a small, relatively small team that are focused on the jurisdiction of the state of Queensland to be on a daily basis identifying child victims globally and sending leads globally. From the moment I first heard their story, it was clear to me that Bruce and Denise's work had impacted a nation. But my time with John Rouse made me realize something. This average couple who met on a beach in 1980, who had three boys and settled down in a small town, who worked together on weekdays and planted fruit trees with their children on weekends, who lost a son in the worst way imaginable and then led the charge to find answers. Their actions inspired a man and his pursuit to save children around the world. A pursuit that over the last two decades has succeeded in ways nobody can quantify, which means that Daniel Story and Bruce and Denise's work hasn't just changed Australia. It's changed the world. It's the ripple effect, you know, the way people touch you and then you carry that forward with other people. That's a big fucking ripple. Yeah, no it is. But for all the good that has come, the epicenter of this tragic story still haunts me. Bruce and Denise mark them lost their son and that pain, the pain of losing a child, as a father myself, it's hard to even think about. But I've seen the effects of that loss in people like Bruce and Denise and it never leaves you. Everyone's life changes. It was a fork in the road moment, like we have many of those, everyone does in their life. But a life-changing event like losing a son particularly in a criminal act and in the public arena over years and years is a significant fork in the road. You know, you sort of want to what would have happened if Daniel had still around, he might be a vet, he might have his own business, might marry with kids, you know, just different things like that. But do you think about that last part a lot? Not only do you lose that child, but you lose that child who would have been a parent and you don't. It might be they killed him and you lose the grandchildren from Daniel. So you know, that's often not spoken about and thought about. It was very caring, very trusting and he would have been an enormous parent in his own right, but all gone. But the loss of Daniel hasn't taken away from their relationships with their other two sons or their children. There was one last stop I had to make before I headed home to LA. My name is Dean Morgan. I'm Daniel's older brother. I'm 37. I have my own business. I'm married and I have two beautiful young girls. Dean runs his own successful tree cutting business following in his father's footsteps. He dedicates time to the foundation. But it's clear to me that what matters most to Dean is family. Most weekends we kind of like to go take the girls down to Mollullaby down to the beach. There's a path we can get to the juices for the girls, I'll get a coffee and that's kind of what the girls like doing. So it's a pretty nice part of the world down there. He told me his wife loves riding horses. That is oldest, loves drawing. And that is youngest? Was she loves eating? She just eats constantly. And they're just growing up so fast. Before you know it, the 30 years old with husband and kids and time just gone. So I guess you just got to appreciate the moments and enjoy the time really. They definitely love their nanor and power and try to go see them nearly every weekend, make an effort to do the family thing as much as it can. Tell me about your mom and dad. Everyone will probably know them as Daniel's mom and dad. But my parents just seem like regular people. You don't really know anything different. We had a good childhood growing up. I had motorbikes, brothers had ponies. We had everything you could kind of want. Looking back, we had a great childhood really. And then the December 7th happened and I guess everyone's life changed. But to me, there's still just my parents. And now the grandparents to my kids and they'll do anything that they can to help them out as well. Kind of gives you a reason and a purpose to keep going to enjoy the next kind of moment when you're taking a swimming lessons or just doing some drawing or a puzzle or just a simple moment is probably what it's kind of all about really. Unlock all episodes of Where is Daniel Morcombe? Add free right now by subscribing to the Binge podcast channel. Not only will you immediately unlock all episodes of the show, but you'll get binge access to an entire network of other great true crime and investigative podcasts. All add free. Plus, on the first of every month, subscribers get a binge drop of a brand new series. That's all episodes all at once. Watch for the binge on Apple podcasts and hit subscribe at the top of the page. Not on Apple? 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