Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Brandy and Julie on Alex Cooper, Bravo Cheating Affairs and Hookers

82 min
Apr 23, 20265 days ago
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Summary

Heather McDonald hosts Brandy and Julie from 'Dumb Gay Politics' to discuss recent celebrity drama, including Alex Cooper's workplace controversy and Bloomberg exposé, the Summer House cheating scandal involving Kyle, Amanda, and West, and the chaotic new Real Housewives of Rhode Island cast. The hosts analyze reality TV casting trends, the role of proximity in affairs, and why audiences continue watching shows featuring morally questionable characters.

Insights
  • Reality TV audiences prioritize entertainment and escapism over moral judgment—viewers will watch shows featuring cheaters, grifters, and criminals as long as the drama is compelling and characters are relatable
  • Workplace culture and employee treatment significantly impact creator credibility; the Bloomberg exposé on Alex Cooper's company damaged her brand more than interpersonal drama with Alex Earl
  • Proximity and circumstance drive relationship formation in high-stakes environments (reality TV, workplaces); affairs are often situational rather than indicative of character, making redemption possible if relationships last long-term
  • New casting strategies prioritizing salacious drama over character development can backfire; Rhode Island's over-the-top infidelity storylines risk audience fatigue compared to slower-burn relationship dynamics
  • Female public figures face disproportionate consequences for the same behavior as male counterparts; the sports reporter was fired while the coach faced minimal repercussions for the same affair
Trends
Reality TV casting moving toward higher-stakes, more salacious storylines to compete with streaming content, risking audience burnoutCreator economy consolidation: individual creators building personal networks and companies (Alex Cooper's Unwell) creating workplace culture issues similar to traditional mediaAudience skepticism of coordinated PR narratives; viewers now analyze video timestamps and production timelines to detect strategic content dropsRedemption arc requirements in reality TV: affairs and scandals only become acceptable if relationships endure 5+ years, establishing legitimacyGender-based accountability gap in infidelity scandals; female participants face career consequences while male counterparts experience minimal professional impactAI-generated music in reality TV production becoming noticeable and distracting to audiences, degrading production quality perceptionBravo franchise fatigue: declining viewership in flagship shows (Beverly Hills, Atlanta) correlating with casting shifts away from established, relatable charactersScripted reality hybrid casting: reality TV personalities (Morgan Wade) being offered scripted acting roles without traditional audition processesNew England/regional reality TV gaining traction; authentic regional accents and family dynamics (Rhode Island) outperforming homogenized Bravo casting templates
Topics
Workplace Culture and Creator Economy Labor IssuesReality TV Casting and Audience Engagement StrategiesCelebrity Infidelity and Relationship Proximity DynamicsGender-Based Accountability in Public ScandalsAI-Generated Content in Television ProductionRedemption Narratives in Reality TelevisionCreator Network Building and IP OwnershipRegional Reality TV vs. Homogenized Franchise ModelsAudience Media Literacy and PR Strategy DetectionScripted vs. Reality Television Career CrossoverBravo Franchise Decline and Competitive StreamingSocial Media Amplification of Private ScandalsDivorce Proceedings and Reality TV Filming DynamicsSex Work Representation in Popular CultureInfluencer-to-Traditional-Media Transitions
Companies
Bravo
Primary focus of discussion regarding Real Housewives franchises, casting decisions, and production quality across mu...
Spotify
Platform where Alex Cooper's 'Call Her Daddy' podcast operates under exclusive deal reportedly worth $60 million
Paramount
Network producing 'Dutton Ranch,' a Yellowstone spin-off where Morgan Wade was cast as a bartender
Bloomberg
Published exposé article criticizing workplace culture at Alex Cooper's Unwell company and management practices
Netflix
Producing reality show featuring Alex Earl's family (stepmother and father) and their business ventures
Peacock
Streaming platform where Real Housewives content is available, though older British version not currently on platform
Howard Stern Show
Platform where Alex Earl's stepmother appeared to discuss her background as a former sex worker and sugar baby
YouTube
Platform where Alex Cooper hosts winter games content featuring controversial guest appearances
TikTok
Social media platform where flight attendant posted viral story comparing Alex Cooper and Alex Earl's behavior
People
Alex Cooper
Subject of Bloomberg exposé regarding workplace culture; involved in public dispute with former mentee Alex Earl
Alex Earl
Former mentee of Alex Cooper; left podcast amid financial disputes and public conflict; now featured on Netflix reali...
Brandy
Guest on episode discussing reality TV trends and celebrity scandals; co-hosts multiple podcasts
Julie
Guest on episode discussing reality TV trends and celebrity scandals; co-hosts multiple podcasts
Heather McDonald
Episode host conducting interviews about celebrity drama and reality TV industry trends
Kyle Cooke
Subject of infidelity scandal involving wife Amanda and friend West; recently spotted with Megan King Edmonds
Amanda Batula
Cheated on husband Kyle with friend West; publicly declared relationship is serious and long-term
West Wilson
Friend of Kyle who had affair with Kyle's wife Amanda; expected to be defensive at reunion
Morgan Wade
Cast in scripted role on Paramount's Yellowstone spin-off; formerly appeared on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills
Kyle Richards
Discussed as central figure in Beverly Hills franchise; publicly supported Morgan Wade's casting announcement
Dorit Kemsley
Discussed as increasingly popular cast member; praised for authenticity and humor compared to other cast members
Erica Jayne
Discussed as one of few cast members generating audience engagement and laughter on current season
Sutton Stracke
Mentioned as part of entertaining cast dynamic alongside Kyle and Erica Jayne
Jennifer Tilly
Praised for bringing light, fun energy to Beverly Hills cast; provides relief from heavy drama
Kathy Hilton
Identified as one of few cast members making audiences laugh; essential to show's entertainment value
Taylor Frankie Paul
Taking break from filming due to stress from custody issues; recently posted piano video; expected to return
Sophia Franklin
Former co-host of Call Her Daddy; dropped by Alex Cooper; releasing book 'Daddy Issues'; invited to appear on show
Megan King Edmonds
Recently spotted kissing Kyle Cooke in New York; obtaining real estate license; relocated from Orange County
Dakota Mormon Wise
Featured in Alex Cooper's YouTube games content; criticized for inappropriate comments about Brooke Nader
Brooke Nader
Subject of inappropriate comments made by Dakota on Alex Cooper's YouTube show; criticized for being kept in final cut
Quotes
"I think the moment that grabbing them by the puss puss made it, I just think in this day and age, just like Alex Cooper keeping the YouTube games on with a lot of like dubious characters. I think it's the age of roll the bachelorette."
BrandyMid-episode
"You do not covet thy neighbor's wife because it's your neighbor. It's right there. It's down. It's in the next room in their case, you know, so it's like, you shouldn't do it, but you're in the same friend group, the proximity, just like a work fuck or whatever. It happens."
JulieMid-episode
"I think there's probably tons of stories of people who can say that, you know, Alex Cooper saved their puppy that was crossing the street. I don't know. There's stories."
Heather McDonaldEarly-mid episode
"Big mistake. Huge. It's like the level that that pretty woman got into the heart and soul of women for that feeling of like, you will not demean me. You will not treat me like shit. I am worth something."
JulieLate episode
"I just love him. I think he's so nice and he's like a catch. Like as a person who doesn't, you know, get with men and stuff, even though I love sucking deck. Um, he's, he's such a catch. The man works hard."
Julie (about Kyle Cooke)Mid-episode
Full Transcript
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And I want to just do the reveal now. Yes. That I know that it's been a thing and you just floated it, but we are two cunts from Two Cunts and a Zoom. It's us. I was afraid there might be a mix up. Yes. Yesterday I did mention two cunts and a zoom and sadly some people went to go look for it and their eyes will never be the same because it takes you to three cunts. I would imagine. And no, two cuts and a zoom. Yeah, it's taking over. And for those people that got it, that's great. And if you didn't, I'll explain on Patreon later, but it is not Brandy and Julie. Some people might have thought that, but it is not. Well, we don't do our podcast on zoom. I don't know why people couldn't figure it out or find it because I know my favorite episode is I cheated on my husband with a horse trainer. Oh, yes, the horse trainer. By the way, Shanna and I just did a juicy crimes that's available right now about equestrians. And I got all excited thinking it would be involving a girl, you know, that gets off kicked off of a reality show about real housewives and then hops on her horse trainer's face. But it's a whole nother crime and that's on juicy crimes and make sure you subscribe to that everybody. And you can also watch that on the YouTube channel with everything else. So you just type in how the red on YouTube. But no, it was about some, it was a very juicy crime about equestrians, but not about former real housewives that go after horse trainers who are married with two children. And that wasn't us. I had like a minor crash out that did last over two weeks. It has sort of ended, but I did get home from filming our Patreon yesterday at our drug den studio, which is at Julie's house. And I walked into my bathroom and I had done my makeup like the lady with baby Jane or whatever. I was like, and I go, maybe I'm not better. Whatever happened to baby Jane? It was like blue. I was wearing blue. I'm sending a letter to daddy. I'm sealing it with my love. For the kids watching that was, of course, my mother's favorite movie, which was about a two sisters. One was the child star. One was the older one that made it. And the child star got jealous and ran over her in a car and did her lipstick like you yesterday. Yeah, like when she was so little. I tried to overline my lips. It was red. I blew eyeshadow on. And you can also watch it on feud. Yeah. You can see because they have you watched the feud with them. I cannot believe I have not watched. Oh my God, you should. That is that a Ryan Murphy. I think that's a really obviously we're not. However, that one was was was quite good. Okay. Yeah. Because it gives you the whole back to them and it's about that movie. And I'm not over exaggerating because you know how when your makeup's done, Heather, and you know this, like once your makeup's done in the day, you're like trying to figure out other things to do. Totally. Yeah. I see things around. Like, yeah, I would. And I even, yeah, all the camera way Mother's Day special coming around the corner. Yeah, for us to I wiped my whole I watched my face. I was like, I can't even leave the house. I couldn't believe it. I literally couldn't believe it. I was like, okay, well, I'm going to continue trying to get it together. So yeah, Well, you look beautiful. Thank you. Thank you for just look at the back of this. You're doing great. Just front. We don't have a back camera. This is God. Well, I guess that we feel we've been walking in front of Drake. I was like, Drake, look away. Don't look at the back of my hair. It could be the last person that would be like, you know what I'm concerned about? Normally, Brandi's bun is looking better. Hair on the back of their head. I was just imagined. I was thought people had hair on the front. Let's get into some juicy stuff. Okay. I have talked about the Alex Cooper, caller daddy. She has her own network and then called unwell and she runs that with her new husband. She's only had one husband. They've only been married like a year or two. And, and it's, there's some stuff that now is being talked about. Now this all came about because people loved that two years ago. Alex Cooper seemed to be taking Alex Earl under her wing, who was a great influencer that everyone loves that just would like, you know, talk about her outfits and just kind of show her heart on Instagram and TikTok. And, but then something happened and they broke up and she no longer had her podcast at unwell and nobody really knew what happened. So then Alex Cooper did a video and address the fact that Alex Earl had reposted some not nice things about Alex Cooper and commented and liked things and she was like, bring the receipts. And then Alex Earl hasn't responded and everyone's like, what's going on? And yesterday, a pretty explosive article from Bloomberg came out. That was kind of an expose of where they talked to people anonymous people and some people that have left the business that were criticizing how working at unwell was for them as an experience and that the husband of Alex Cooper, who had many jobs and, and you know, high profile things that were on the media prior to them joining forces, I guess, you know, yells at people and that kind of thing. So I have heard some things. Okay. And, and that appears to be true. But, you know, one person was like, yeah, I don't mind working there. Doesn't bother me. Now that was a guy. And then she did tell me and she said, take it out of the show because my friend is a girl and she doesn't want to lose her job or she doesn't know she'd already left but she didn't want to come it to come back to her. And that was a few months ago. I think you have a lot of employees. It could be true. Now the juicy part and if it is, it is, I'm sure someone would still love to get a job there. Okay. And this job market, I don't think people are going to now not want to job there but high execs and stuff have left. The other part is the sluice realize that this particular video that Alex Cooper put out based on when she put it out, it looked like it was the day after the first weekend of Coachella. They noticed that her nails were not the same. And they're like that was a video that she filmed. Prior to dropping. And then she dropped it knowing this article was coming and she wanted to distract and get Alex Earl to come after her and for that to distract from this or for Alex Earl to come back, come at her and people to go. Is this article and this stuff happening because it's Alex Earl's PR company or her spin to get bad press on Alex Cooper. And then they say there's no way Alex Earl is doing this. And then the final one is, is it because they have different politics. Some people think seem to think that Alex Earl is more on the right and Alex Cooper is on the left and therefore she Alex Earl was unhappy that Alex Cooper interviewed Kamala Harris and that started it all. I personally don't think that's the case. I think that she accepted a deal realized she was making so much money doing videos for 350,000 a pop that this podcast was too much work and not worth it. And then there was maybe some other little competitive bitchy stuff between them where they just like ended it. But you know this is not a great week for Alex Cooper. It seems to be the majority of the people are kind of team Alex Earl. What do you guys think? Well, I also did hear that I mean she sold that deal or did that deal was serious and it was for 160 million and it was part of the, you know, overall deal was that they had Alex Earl. And then supposedly Alex Earl was only making a million. So her dad, who's you know, super business savvy as a lawyer or something Alex Earl's dad was like she's not going to make 160 even to be fair. She's running this huge whole staff. Well, you make a million. So it was definitely first and foremost about money. And if I'm sure it did have to do with politics, some what because Alex Cooper Cooper wants that network to be pretty progressive. I think they definitely were yelling at people and I know one thing if they were serious won't do anything to protect anyone's employees. Well, three of the three of the shows that were under the under the umbrella at serious have went away. Either it was canceled or the person left or we don't know but there were three other shows that we're going to be part of that thing on serious that are not there now. So, but they have the YouTube show like, you know, with the winter games and stuff in which she was criticized for that because Dakota of Mormon wise was featured. And also the guy that the dancer that was dating, Brooke Nader was there and they're playing pool and there's between the two of them. He says, Brooke Nader was the worst sex I ever had. And they're like, how could Alex Cooper keep that in the show is in terms of Dakota. I did think that they filmed that before they did. So at that point, you know, it's a testament to like the bachelor and the bachelor keep it on in. I mean, but I'll put it up. I mean, here's the thing, you know, you have all these shows she might, you know, it might not be like, I got to make sure no one speaks badly about women. She was probably like, this is juicy and you know, I'm book Nader's fucking gorgeous and like it's not going to bother her and who cares. But other people can read into it how they like. But, you know, I mean, and speaking of Alex Earl, I mean, you know, her stepmother who's been married to her dad for a long time. And they have a couple of kids together was the first like sugar baby that became famous because she was her one of her clients as a sex worker was the former governor, right? Oh, New York. Oh, it spits her. And so she knew her worth. And she didn't shy away. She went on Howard Stern. She was like, yeah, it was me. She was not ashamed. And then she went and married a great businessman. And now, you know, they have this great family and they're going to have a whole, they're all going to be featured on the Netflix reality show. So good for them. I did want to suggest to you because Sophia Franklin, who's Alex Cooper's former podcast host from Caller Daddy, that I like Alex Cooper, but that whole scenario gave me the ick from minute one. Like she dropped her best friend out and then took Caller Daddy took the IP, even the word unwell, that thing came from Sophia Franklin. It did not come from Alex Cooper. So now her whole company, all the merch, all the unwell stuff is from the girl she dropped and kicked with her. However, Sophia Franklin is coming out with a book called Daddy Issues. I insist she come on the show because if Alex Cooper can be with a comedian named Heather, then so can Sophia Franklin. Well, Sophia Franklin did come on my show. We did, it was during COVID, I think, and she was living in Utah. And I had followed the whole story and I empathized with the Sophia Franklin of the deal because I was like, you know, I didn't like how the audience was coming after her because she met a boyfriend who knew the business and was like, you guys are worth more, which they were. And but, you know, in the end, I said, you both are going to do great. And it's sad that you're no longer friends. But, you know, that's the thing. You know, this is a classic to Constance and a Zoom. Sometimes they can't laugh. Exactly. Sometimes they can't laugh. Not everyone is Brandy and Julie, you know, so anyway, that's true. That is true. The longevity is hard between two kinds. But anyway, do you think that you'll ever do the. I would love to have her come on. And also, I, you know, I don't think Alex Cooper is a fan of mine because after she got her big first Spotify deal for like 60 million, which is like chum changed for now. I listened to it. And I remember I was listening to it while I was like driving to my son's Catholic all-boy school. And I'm listening to it. And it was back when she was still dirty before she thought she was like, you know, the white Oprah with the note cards. And she was like, you're having a moment. Tell me what you were thinking. You know, these are her, that's how our interviews are now, which is fine. She gets good people, people like it. But, and I thought that is the way you should go because you can't talk about sucking dick forever. But when I listened to it, I did this impression on my show. And I sometimes think, oh, I wonder if you ever heard that she probably hates you, you know, never be on the show. But now that I'm in this place, I think I'm doing fine. And I can say what I think of everybody from two cunts in a zoom to two color daddy. But it was like this. She was like, hello, daddy gang. I'm sucking dick so hard. I walked in and there were all these executives and I'm like, yeah, let me, I thought I had to get on my knees, get on your knees, you mother fuckers. Cause I got the fucking spot. Like it was like, it was insane what I heard. And so I like immediately went and people, I had never even listened to her show before. Some people were like, oh my God, that was the funniest thing I ever heard. And, you know, she's doing great. She's gorgeous. She got married. She's going to get through this. She's still going to be rich forever. Hopefully this doesn't affect her relationship with her husband and they work it out so that, you know, hopefully it doesn't affect our relationship with her. Cause we definitely don't want them. We, we're not like you. We don't have it like that. We're like, Hey, we can come, we can come sleep the floors. I love sucking dick. I suck all the dicks. I still go on color daddy and say, I like that you changed. Like I like you're smart. You can't, you can only give so many dick sucking tips in so many episodes. You run out. There's only so many things of drink some hot water, do this thing, tickle the ball. I don't know. Do the pineapple. There's only so many in your mouth. Exactly. You know, Julie. I do. Oh, how many eat the cherries, drink some coffee laced with other tea. Do the thing where you go, where you jump up and down one arm to the right and then slap. Who doesn't like that move? Yeah. Ball balls. Yeah. Very creative. Ball balls. Create a cavern. I mean, the banana boat. In anything I have defended Alex Cooper along the way and saying, you know, maybe she is a hard worker. She's done the show for 10 years. Maybe Alex roll just wasn't into doing the work that it takes to be creative and funny and interesting every week. So anyway, but then of course we get to hear from the person that knows when I see this on a tick talk, my butthole clenches because I'm like, we've all been on a plane. We've all been on a plane before. Okay. And I, and when I see a flight attendant who's like, hi, I've been on a plane with on one time it was Alex Cooper. And then one time it was Alex Earl and I'm going to tell you about it. And reality check, please found her. So, so they were the one that put it on here. So thank you for that. But I know spring is a time when there's spring cleaning. And I think the way I always do it is I start with one thing, my closet getting rid of a lot of clothes that I haven't worn. 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And she goes, and then there was another time when I was on a flight and Alex Earl came and it was the morning that my grandmother died and I was like wiping off tears. And I was like, Oh, hello. And Alex Earl is known for being very sensitive and vulnerable and sweet. And she was exactly that. She like said, is everything okay? And she goes, Oh my God, it's, you know, like, I know who you are. And she's like, are you okay? And so then she gave her a hug and she was sweet and like even like wrote her after and responded. And so she's like, so there's that's her story. But I think there's probably tons of stories of people who can say that, you know, Alex Cooper saved their puppy that was crossing the street. I don't know. There's stories. But, you know, I can't believe the poor judgment of taking a photo. Remember that one girl that like took a video of a girl who was like in the gym bathroom locker room locker room and was like posted it and said, I had to see it. So now you have to see it. And she like, I was like a sportscaster. She lost everything. And I'm like, and you know, to think that you can do that to just somebody that's like working and that was really, really poor judgment. Now, I don't know how many years ago it was. I think she's probably mortified to like know that she did that. And hopefully she reaches out to this girl and. I mean, what is the things that Alex role does is I mean, sorry, Alex Cooper is that she'll go like, I saw this girl at the other table, like, don't send your steak back Courtney. So she'll make up names. Oh, so that's kind of her locking thing. Yeah. For, and to make fun of women doing bad things to put herself above them. Like whatever it may be, like nice Honda, Linda or whatever. So she was, oh, she, so that was her little funny shtick. But someone else's expense. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you do in private. That's really. Yeah. That really, if it's true, that really is dark. That is dark. That's what you mean. So you do on two cunts and a zoom and then you don't put it in the show. Right. Yeah. Even in even a bigger cunt knows the to edit that. Yeah. The producer cunt says, cunts, you can't do that. And I just want to like full disclosure. Julie and I did on a Patreon. It was not video on a plane, you know, with one of those dumb fuck, I hate those tiny, you know, the tiny, you know, the little microphones, where everyone's like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're on a plane, right? So we have those. Hey guys. Hey guys, welcome to my channel. What a day it's been. Yeah. So the woman is gorgeous and she's French or Belgian or something. The flight attend. Yeah. So we're already like her hair is in this most beautiful like French twist. Yeah. I tell you, this one was beautiful. So like, first of all, it wouldn't matter what two cunts on the airplane are saying with their tiny dumb mics. And that was before those mics even took over. People are like, what is that furry bullshit? Why are there two drunk hags talking into a tiny furry hole? So we're talking and like we, she was not into us. You know what I mean? Obviously I was drinking like alcohol out of my purse. And so we, we did somewhat like, well, well, one of our friends like classified it that we were mocking her, but we didn't think of it that way because she could not hear. She was French and didn't even really speak English and she was gorgeous and beautiful. And we were just making fun of how she thought we were gross. Right. So, but no one could hear. Those two pigs in the back. What are they doing back there? Are they eating off the floor? They're disgusting. Like, I am so beautiful. Like we were, yeah. But someone did classify it as mocking and it like kind of stuck with us like forever. Now we, and then we felt bad because we were having laughing so hard and thinking we were making fun of ourselves, knowing how beautiful she was or whatever. Well, that's interesting because that was the next video I saw. Yeah. It turns out it was the same woman. But she meant was it was us. We know the thing was going on the plane. I, we, I will say Brandy's the creator of this. If we ever get recognized on the plane and if we have magazines, that's been the thing. Us magazine, People magazine, any kind of magazine though. I'm sure nobody travels magazines anymore. She gives the magazine to the flight attendant and they are so like, like they love it. Like, Oh my God, thank you. Cause it's like you gave them something for the next two hours to look at. And it's just like a little thing that Brandy sort of came up with. But I only do that to get free alcohol. I have been lucky enough to, yeah, but you're doing it at the end of the day. You got to do it at the beginning. I mean, the end of the flight. You got to do the beginning of flight. No, I do it once we're done because Julie buys all the magazines and then she's like, I'm done. Mid flight, mid flight when your drink is empty. Yeah. Why? I have gotten given an entire bottle of Chardonnay as I leave. Ooh, that's good. Where some guy is just like, I got you girl. That's good. Speaking of which, there is this guy, Jacob Higgins, who has taken off on tick tock because he was staying at the Marriott in Westbury, New York. And he would do these stories where he'd go in the bathroom and he had a big glass, a huge glass of Chardonnay. Oh, no, Chardonnay was seven young block and he was like, Hey, everybody, you know, and he does this intro and people have used his sound now about going to the courtyard Marriott and Westbury and getting a bigger pour than normal at the hotel bar. Like find that bartender that just like pours it to the brim. Yes. And one of his videos, he quoted me. What was it? He said, Heather McDonald once said that a lobster is not as delicious to eat with an iced tea unless that iced tea is from Long Island. So, you know, this is why I'm drinking and whatever. So it was very lovely. It was very lovely. Love him. But in the end, both of them are gorgeous. Both of them are ridiculously rich and successful and well known and great personalities. And I do think that Alex Cooper is just going to have a little bit of a. A little bit more of a dip when that book comes out. I think she'll obviously she's going to come out on top, but her, her kind of like crappy little like situation this year. I don't think it's over yet. Yeah. I think it's a bit of a pile on a two and it's all kind of coming out and yeah, I don't know what the advice would be to do it. If you just ignore it and keep putting out, you know, she's her show is now just like one on one interviews with big names. So you can just keep putting those out. She's not someone that overly like talks about herself or shares about herself. So maybe you just keep doing to keep. I would just maybe I would just like not address it, you know, and but who knows. But it's juicy to talk about it. It's interesting. Okay. The secret lives of Mormon wives are resuming production. Thank God. You know, I thought that they were maybe going to move to Newport and keep just like, and get some Newport Mormons there and do the whole thing. But according to TMZ, no, they're going to be back in Utah filming it. And they also said Taylor Frankie Paul will eventually return. So I don't think she's doing it right now. I think they want her to do better. She did a video recently where she was playing piano and she had a hoodie on and she was like, just started playing piano and whatever. And I was like, there was a second time I saw it and I'm like, show your face. This isn't you. It was good playing the piano. Yeah, it was like, like, you can't just start playing. And there's no way when we've covered your whole life that we wouldn't know that you are like an accomplished pianist. Like there's just no way. So I just was like, this is so good, but let's see your face next time. And she was kind of like, and I go, you know, we all remember when you when you made it famous on Tiktok because you said you were a grandma with a 20. She the way she popped off is her with all the hair came out and one of those girls, one of those Mormon girls was and it was like two girls. She's like, these are my daughters and this is my granddaughter. Someone was holding a baby. And between the filters and them being Mormon, I was like, maybe she is like 45. I don't know. Everyone was just like, you look amazing. And so that's really what popped her off. So I'm like, I remember when you did that and she just was like, ha ha. So she's back to like doing her fun thing. But you know, another video was that she was really quite thin and the stress is taking a toll on her. So, you know, obviously she, you know, is on some supervised visitation with her younger son, which could be really hard. So I hope they work that out. But that's all. I mean, we might as well. I mean, you might as we might as well see it all. We're all watching it on the internet. So they might as well keep filming and make their money and have us see it as long as the kids are not being affected. Look, I don't want to get political, but I'm just going to say this. I think the moment that, you know, grabbing them by the puss puss made it. I just think in this day and age, just like Alex Cooper keeping the YouTube games on with a lot of like dubious characters. I think it's the age of like, roll the bachelorette. You've already filmed it. And I heard they're not doing that because it's boring. I know that's a good rumor too. Yeah. Like that, that it might have kind of sucked anyway, and it might have buried them the franchise even further than it had been buried, you know, because it was like, oh my God, even with a major star, this is just not what people want to watch anymore. And you deviate it out of bacheloretation. So now the fans are mad. But I'm like, if they, I heard rumors, they were going to cancel this. And I was like legitimately upset like on the phone with my therapist. I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do because another thing that they do is their turnaround is so fast. That's, that's another like thing that has changed the industry. Yes. They talk about the show. They talk about their fighting over their salaries. And I'm like, if they keep just being innovative, like, yeah, we don't care. We literally don't care. There's 17,000 episodes of Duck Dynasty, which are not to get political, but you lean in or get in or deal with it. I came across this girl in my feed and she was sitting on a private plane and she's like, so a lot of you have been asking me what some of my things about me that you wouldn't know are. I am a fan of designer bags. No shit. You're on a plane. I have exotic bags and you should ask my husband about why he's building me a bigger closet. And it was so, it was all about the wealth, but guess what? I started to watch a lot of it. And I'm like, and I, because I'm like, I don't know anyone like this. I don't know what this kind of wealth like is in Dallas and she's attractive. And I'm like, that is what real housewife reality was. It's for you to see. Yes. Someone that whose life you are not living yourself. Yeah. So if that is that you gotten some shit or you're a teen age. Mom. Yeah. A teen mom. You're, you know, like, what is that like? Are you a teen mom? Are you a Duck Dynasty person? Are you honey boo boo? Yeah. I like to present. Yeah. Even the Tiger King. I mean, the reality shows are not to show exemplatory lives of how you should live and fashion your family after they are escapism and you're watching real people and you get to go inside their home and watch it. So that's why people don't care when criminals come back out and they will watch it. Even if they hate them, it doesn't matter. Even if they're like, you're wrong. You stole from those people. I mean, I think probably the only thing where we know when where a person would not be re-accepted back on TV is if they did a deliberate murder. Yes. Like not a car accident murder. Right. And also a pedophile. Yes. Yeah. Those are like the cheaters. But everything else, you can be a grifter. Yes. You could be a hooker. You could be a massive cheater. And you could do a Ponzi scheme. Let's do it. You could do it all. I mean, I'm a bachelor. One man choosing out of 26 women or ever. It's the most sexist, grossest thing, but we love it. We want to why are we moralized? We want that first guy. We were like, he's gay. The San Francisco one. That too. Can Drake, can you look up at the first bachelor from San Francisco if he ever did marry? He's got to be like 50 now. I mean, at this point, how long? Yeah. Oh my God. I totally remember where I was. Like what year was it? Look at that up. It was definitely after 2000 because I was married. I thought it was 2002, but let's see. Because it was right after American Idol. Yeah. Okay. And is he married? And what is his husband's name? I mean, what about Anna Delvy? I mean, bring it on. Oh my God. Bring all of it. I want to watch all of it. I am not one. I feel like we are over Anna Delvy. I personally am. I don't know what else there is to do. It will say did a reality show. Yeah. I don't believe in the idea of not, I don't like, or I should say I'm against this idea of like censoring or not platforming something that you don't agree with or that, or that maybe even like this, which, you know, I just don't, I don't agree with it. The great thing about me is that I do change my mind. So I really was like, I did not think at that time that they should air the Bachelorette. I really didn't. I just thought we all just saw the throwing of the bar stool. Do I think they could play it later when she's better and we're watching it, like bring it like on in like three months. And we know that, you know, she's back with her kid and she's done her work and she's, you know, doing much better. And she's like, now let's show me dating this guy. Then I think we could. I just don't think it was right to show it like that week. And that's when it was going to premiere. Yes. Is he married? He's married with this. To a woman though. To a woman. Good for him. Wow. Good for him. 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And I do think that she didn't do her work. She attacked him after she just attacked him in February. But that was not the video from February video because the other one was a physical attack. Yeah. Listen, she has a problem with being physical and having anger. And I do think that takes a very long time. That's true to get over. And you know, but could it, you know, listen, there are people that are toxic couples and then they go on to marry other people and they actually do have a good marriage. There are sometimes in two people are just fire and fire or whatever. And it is really bad. And, um, and I mean, there's been text messages we've seen and stuff and, you know, he was like, you know, come over and there was something that she even said it's, it's, it gets me hot to think of him screwing somebody else. Right. Like it's a very sick. It is because and so that incident with the pig. Barstool, which was horrific and awful after he locked her in the garage until she was revved up away from her kids. He locked her in the garage. He still wouldn't had a baby with her. She didn't have that baby yet. That was prior to him having a baby with her. He never, he did this to her right before she went to film and I'm not excusing any of it, but you know, you know, talk to us, but she got the brunt of it and he didn't get anything. He was some sort of victim and we know you're not a victim, Dakota. We know you're not a victim. Well speaking of the brunt of it, have you heard about this, uh, Patriots coach that was married with kids and he was seen like cuddling with this, uh, sports reporter. Do you know about the straight? He was cuddling with a sports reporter in Sedona. No, he's, he's like pretty cute, normal looking and like has a wife and kids and like canoodling or cuddling like holding hands. Like cuddling like kissing and holding hands in Sedona and she immediately got fired from her sports reporting job. And then he just said, Hey guys, like I'm talking to my family. I need to apologize to some people. I know I'm supposed to be someone that you all look up to. And then he's not fired, which is fine that he's not fired, but it just once again, it's the woman who's like, burn the stake. You know, always, always, always, always, even, even sex work. When you think about it, why does sex work even exist on the planet? Why? Because there's a market for it. Which are what? Men. Correct. And yet who gets, who gets arrested? The hooker. Who gets, which I always thought if I was ever going to be a cop, I only wanted to be doing undercover vice because of the outfits. Though I know. I'd be very good. So you could dress like a hooker. Yeah. I always thought that I could do. I'm not running down the street chasing someone climbing over a fence. But I could go, Hey, Hey, you lonely tonight back when hookers had to walk on the street walkers. Yeah. Street walkers. And then try to entrap a John. Yeah. That's how I was going to get back to society if I was going to be a cop. But I knew I just didn't. I don't know. Pass the test. I feel like that might be your next TV show. Yeah. Scripted. I think, I think that's it. Yeah. They go a little old. It takes a place in the seventies. Yeah. Downtown LA. Yeah. And Heather would be getting the men. I mean, that's what I think about the fact that we all went with like smiles on and wanting the life of Julia Roberts in pretty woman. She was sucking dirty dicks. Yeah. Of sunset bouffard. Yeah. Living and, and it was like, I remember watching it and she's like, yeah, my mom said, remember, she's like in bed with her. She's like, my mom said, if there was, if there was a bum, I'd find him from a mile away. I'm like, aren't you only 21? Like how many bums have you met? You know? Like really you came to Hollywood and you had to go straight to being a hooker. Like you couldn't be a stripper. You couldn't be like a cocktail waitress. Like straight to just, you know, meeting that other girl about how to, you know, what do we say? You know, no kissing on the lips and whatever, take your money. And but, you know, it made for a good movie and we all just thought it was fine. Oh, thought it was fine. And then with the thing and the pearls and how cute and hilarious that is. That would be her outfit. I don't know why she had to be, you know what? I know it was like a my fair lady modern day hooker story, but like, I don't know that she had to be like, I think if we're going to redo it today, I guess she would just have only fans. She has only fans. Yeah. Which is great. It's like staying in your house. But you know what? If she's an only fans, she don't need Richard Gere at that point. She's making more money than him. So she can stay right in her home. Who has no class, reads pancakes with her hands. I love that part. It's my favorite part of the movie. I was like, why have I never thought I do it every single time. But there was a time when I was making pancakes and I was like, just sitting with your hands pretty. It's good enough for Julie Roberts. I still do this a day. I ate it like that. So good. It like changed the whole experience for me. When she's like sitting on the table, like she doesn't know how to sit on a chair. I'm like, she's from Georgia. She's not Tarzan. We didn't find her. Like, oh, what is this? Like she's a human woman. I can't believe it. Your dream coming true. That's the whole sequence where she goes up in the plane and goes to San Francisco. Mine are broken. Mine are broken. These glasses are broken. Oh, there's a band. Oh, no. Did you like it, dear? Oh, yeah. It was so good. I was peed in my pants. She said it was better than Pirates of Penzans. Oh, okay. I can see every time I've watched it because I wanted to be a hooker. I didn't actually want to have, I never wanted to have the sex. I wanted to be the hooker that said, oh, most of my clients, they just go to dinner and I talk to them because I'm like, I love to eat. I love to talk. I can talk to any fucking loser and have a meal. And I did that in life. I would just meet guys and go get meals and then go home. Yeah. I'd drive my own car. I wouldn't drink very much. I would get an appetizer, a salad and an entree. And I never just got a pasta. It had to have lobster on it. I could hear my mom get that shellfish before you leave. You know how much that costs. And I'd eat my face off and then I would say goodbye. Lovely to meet you, warmest regards. Goodbye. Best of luck in the future. All women wanted to feel with, with, um, pretty woman was that you're an underdog. And then you're taken seriously. Somebody finds you beautiful. You fall in love and you get to get revenge on all the bitches who treated you like shit. I mean, big mistake. I mean, big mistake. Bethany even did it. Huge to Cunson and Zoom. Exactly. I got to go shopping now. I mean, Bethany did it. Big mistake Chanel. Big mistake Chanel. It's like the level that that pretty woman got into the heart and soul of women for that feeling of like, you will not demean me. You will not treat me like shit. I am worth something. Big mistake. Goodbye. And don't forget the big mistake. It was that she was with a guy who had a credit card. But that's the problem. It wasn't, it wasn't, she wasn't Bethany Franklin who could afford it. She was just like, I got a $3,000 gig this week and I get to go shop and, um, you know, but that's the feeling that you're left with, which is, that's, that's the thing. Made for a great movie. All right. Now let's talk about the summer house. I want to get your opinion of Kyle, his, uh, soon to be ex-wife Amanda falling in love with Amanda's best friend's former boyfriend, West. And they recently said, this is serious. We are in love and we are going to really try to make a go of this. This is not a one time small fling that we regret. We don't regret it. What do you think? I just, I feel first and foremost, I mean, I'm not finishing summer house. I find it like really like triggering and unannoying. Um, I thought, I know that Tom Sandoval, and I wanted to say this like with love, like we worked with Tom on a whole TV show. Um, he, we just saw him recently with you. He was, you know, he's been humbled and he's very nice and he always has been nice to us. Um, he had a reputation as a douche. You know, he, and he, I'm sure himself could admit he leaned into that. He was the big douche on the show. I mean, and so he, at times he came across very unlikable, like when he was straightening his hair and putting makeup on and stuff and shaving his forehead. And I think that just lent the whole, the whole scan of all hinged on the fact that I guess he was unlikable to people. And Ariana was never really a very liked person on the show either simply by her relation to Tom. In this case, it really, really bothers me that summer house is not as popular as, um, Vanderpump, but it really bugs that she's not, that he is not Kyle is not getting the treatment that Ariana got because he is a nice guy and he has been working hard. He has a great work ethic. He has stayed consistent who he is from the beginning. We've watched it from the beginning and you know, a lot of people are acting like Sierra is the victim and she is because her friend fucked her over and so did West, but the real victim in all of it is Kyle and his friend fucked him over because they were good friends. They were living in the same house. He was close with him and his wife cheated on him with his friend. Kyle to me should be the main person that, and he still is being talked bad about. Amanda's still getting like she's giving people make excuses for her. People make excuses for West and I'm like, I disagree. I think they're very mad at both of them. I feel like the fans are mad at Amanda and West. I hope they are because I just don't see enough like about what I see a lot about what Amanda did to Sierra and that's true, but I don't see enough about what West did to Kyle as a friend and what Amanda did. You know, and also she's a hoarder. Who's Amanda? Amanda's a hoarder. That's what Kyle said. Oh, really? Well, I think, well, Kyle was seen this past weekend with Megan King Edmonds, formerly of Real House of O.C. in New York and she's quite tall and they caught them kissing and you know, so she's like taller than he. And then I also saw that she's like getting a real estate license in New York. Doesn't she live in the O.C.? No, I think she moved. I don't know because then that awful thing happened where she lost custody of her kids except for the summer. So maybe she's just living in New York and is going to live her life in New York and then the kids will spend New York and they'll spend the summer in New York. I don't know what she's doing. I love Kyle so much. Yes. I really love Kyle. Amanda, Amanda, Amanda, Amanda, Amanda, Amanda. I just love him. I think he's so nice and he's like a catch. Like as a person who doesn't, you know, get with men and stuff, even though I love sucking deck. Um, he's, he's such a catch. The man works hard. He's, you know, he has his issues and I, I understand that he drinks and he goes out and maybe he's had his dalliances or whatever. But I do think that guy is a catch. Like he just, he's, he just is, I just love, I just love him. He's very influential on us. We were drinking rosé straight out of the bottle. We were like, let's send it. We come home now. We eat after we're drunk. He eats every time he goes in the kitchen. He works out the next day. We like took his entire lifestyle on. Yeah. I love it. I just love it. I love it and I love him and I hope he like, um, there was someone said, oh my God, you know, uh, there was a scene where now or they're watching it with a fine tooth, you know, calm or whatever, not find you're really looking at every scene that they're together and hugs her and kisses her cheek. Uh, West doesn't manage. They kind of hold each other longer. I think what I've kissed other people, other sometimes when men greet me that are not my husband, you know, we'll give you a kiss on the cheek. I don't think that's that weird. But so then Andy asked, uh, Jesse, who's on the show, when exactly did you first know about Amanda and West hooking up? And he said, I had my suspicions, but I did not know until they made it that your joint statement and they both, um, denied it to my face when he would ask multiple times. He did say West is still his friend because he's always been a really good friend to him. And he's like, I wish he was a little more, um, humble and took a little more responsibility. And he says, I believe he will come with like, come at, is going to come with aggression at the reunion. Oh, and he was like, really? Yeah. Jesse thinks he will. Like he's like coming to defend himself and not be like all apologetic. So I love that these guys have any. One, even an ounce, even Jesse, who I know he isn't like a monster, but he is a lying little two faced F boy who will do anything to anyone who told Sierra to her face that he wanted to make out with her as a joke. He's constantly undermining. He's a complete little misogynist, little pig. And I do think and so is West. And even though the West, we, you know, I want to like more because he's like progressive and stuff, but like he, we don't like all Democrats. But like he's also again, they are users of women to a point that I know they're young and they could change and they evolve and all of that stuff. But right now in the phase of these men's lives, I find them off putting and I don't appreciate having a take on any of this when they would do this at any point. Jesse would fuck his. He probably wanted to give us Amanda. Yeah. He would. And I think he would get with Amanda even now. Like they can all just save it. Whenever there's an affair type of situation. And I said this during scant of all, the only way that you truly can come back from it and, and get, you know, society to love you again, is if it lasts forever. Yes. Because if they do get married and have kids, whatever, or even stay or now kids and stay together for like five, 10 years, then you're going to go, yeah, you know what? It was a proximity type relationship and it really did work. And you do date people. That's what they call it. They say, you know, that's a commandment. You do not covet thy neighbor's wife because it's your neighbor. It's right there. It's down. It's in the next room in their case, you know, so it's like, you shouldn't do it, but you're in the same friend group, the proximity, just like a work fuck or whatever. It happens. So it's like, who knows? Maybe they will, maybe they will. I did say that I thought, um, Raquel, I was like, get pregnant right away. Make it work. You too. Raquel and Tom, I was like, keep it. Go the distance and get that baby. And I mean, I think, you know, Raquel's doing soundbaths and I will say like, we enjoy soundbaths. You know, hiring her like, and probably cause it's like you get her and then you get some scoop from her and then we're no scoop and you're like, oh, we got with a soundbath, but she does soundbath. She's like engaged to somebody that's like a rocket scientist. Hope he doesn't go missing. And I just like the 12 others. There's a 12. I mean, but whatever. Quinceanus, this happened. And then, um, yeah, so she's doing fine, but yeah, that's, that's a situation. Okay. Rhode Island. I am, let's just, your audience is going to like crucify me. They hate when I, because I always go on the guy's side. I just did. Okay. Good. Well, they, you know, you're a guy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but you know, I'm not standing by Kyle, standing by it with Kyle. I stand by it with Kyle too. And I usually always go with the women. Um, you know, they always say that he was cheating and out late and everything, but we never really had any real evidence that he did. Right? Like, she always says that casually. It was like, took a photo of herself, like in bed with him or anything like actually, what do you mean? I think he just liked to go out and stay out late and there was one time. I think he liked it. Well, before they were married where he was black out. That's right. And then, but that was so long ago. Julie brings it up. There has never been any, any proof. He just, he's a DJ and he's out late and she was, I guess, on the phone with West all night smoking her pot or whatever she was doing. I mean, you know, and they were not compatible. So I do get that for her. I just think for West to do that is so I'm not even as mad at her as I am with the fact that West did that and nobody is the way they crucified Tom. Tom and Ariana weren't even married. And, and here, right. And here's the thing. If it was happening earlier than they're admitting to, which I think it was. Okay. I think they were meeting places, taking walks in the morning. I don't know. They were, it was happening. And I think then when you look, if you believe that and you see her upset and crying about Kyle and her husband and Sierra is just like, why can't you see how special you are just being that super supportive friend. And now if you do believe that nothing happened until after that, then that makes them less horrific. But if it was happening and she was still taking that love and support from her friend and being deceptive, then that's pretty bad. That was so bad. Yeah. Okay. Now Rhode Island, I just want to tell you guys about Rhode Island. Yeah. I'm going to watch you in a little bit. It honestly, you need to stop. You need to get a diet, like a whole board of every single person and what they've done. I have never seen any, any housewife show. The strings that go like that. More like cheating and the cheating rumors, the actual cheating, the affairs, all of it. The only person that doesn't have a crazy ass past is the girl who met her husband on the bachelor. Yep. Ashley. I, she's the only one that's like living a normal life. Even though, and she came from reality TV, she has the most normal life. The one girl married, you know, was pining, rubbing one out to her sister's boyfriend when he'd come over and take her to prom. And then she's like, I'm going to get him. And then she marries him. Joella Joella. And then while she goes and is selling, you know, some medical supplies, the, the unmarried childless sister comes over child free. Sorry. Child free sister comes over to take care of the kids and they, the way they shoot it, it's very flirty. I know they're like doing it because they're producers, but that's weird. Then we have the other girl who's very rich, who looks like Dolores. If Dolores lost 10 pounds and they, and her whole thing is that her husband, who she is, they've been together a long time, but he has like older kids. He would go spear fishing or something for three weeks and then tell his friend, watch, make sure you watch my wife. Who says that? Who needs to watch? Who tells their friend, go check on my wife. I've never in my life, like. A person with a girlfriend. And I'd be annoyed. Like, like, don't think he has a husband has a girlfriend. And so that's why he doesn't feel bad that his friend is coming over and sorry. Oh, I do. Okay. So then she's like, Oh my God, there is nothing with this guy. And then there's this other girl who people said, Oh, originally allegedly rumored to have been a, you know, call girl, whatever you want to call it, hook her light. And then she gets with this guy and she goes, yeah, I'm like a sugar baby, but I love it cause he's with this other lady for 10, six months out of the year. And then when I'm alone, I bring this other weird blonde West look like around. And, but I mean, it is so confusing. I literally had to go wait a minute. Like I had to stop. I had to rewind. I am like, Oh my God, but it's entertaining. I mean, I'm like, how, when you compare this to the fact that nothing happened in real housewives of Beverly Hills, literally nothing happened in real housewives Beverly Hills very little as far as like big moments. And this was almost too much. This is almost too fucking. My, my criticism when it first came on was like, I'm sick of Bravo and they're, they're casting cause Atlanta the year of when that whole thing happened with Kenya, they got into way too salacious casting and it blew up in their face. So when I first started this, they came in so hot. I was like, wow, first episode and we're already into someone's like husband cheating. Are you having an affair? Yeah. Yeah. Cause like at your first lunch, yeah, this girl has a podiatrist husband who's like completely has an affair and there's evidence because the girl he's having an affair with posted about it on Facebook with them, like are sitting in his lap. Yes. That was. So I was, and then the other girl's like, mind your own business. It's like, well, tell the mistress not to put it on Facebook. And then they called her job. That's Joellen. She's my favorite one, but they called her job and then tried to like get her fired because she sent the photo of the guy with the mistress, which was all over the internet. But so I would, I want to say is that to a friend as if you wouldn't do that. Yeah. If you wouldn't do that, you know, this girl's in your neighborhood. You're like, you're like, this bitch thinks she's got the perfect life. I cannot believe I just found this on Facebook. Like what the hell is, and it could have been even out of a little bit of love and concern, like, holy shit, do we tell them? Do we not? And then of course the reaction is, let's ruin this girl's life because she knows that I'm married to a cheater. Well, they said they called her and I guess Joellen wasn't friends with her. She told one of her friends and the friends called and said, my friend has the photo. Then the woman called Joellen directly and was like, send me the photo, please. And she's like, I really don't want to, I really don't want to, I don't want to send you this photo because she knew. And then the minute the woman saw it, she was like, like lost her breath. And then, and you know, she hasn't stopped looking at it. Like she probably has probably spent over a thousand hours analyzing like her fucking toes. Listen, this show is coming back next season and next season will be her filing. A hundred percent. Oh, well, the Ruella filing from the. So what I want to say is that, so I was like turned off. I was like, God, Bravo, man. Like it's just too much too fast. Like it's so much. But then I watched all, I watched all three episodes, Julie and I, and then I watched them all again. And then I was like really became like, I paid more attention because it is very intricate. I became big fans of all of them. Yeah. Really do. It's not like they look like it's just that you get like easily lost. They sound alike. Right. And they all have dark hair and so you're just kind of like, wait, hold on, like give me a second. You do have to watch it again. I did. And it was so much better. And because they're all very, they're all very cute and they're all very charming and they have their accents. And it got a lot better when I watched it again. And then next week's episode, they are like on some trip also too soon. Why are you already on a cast trip? And then they track the guy. They're like, he's on his way to the mistress. Like they somehow find him. The padiatrist. Yes. On cause she's been saying he's, he's like, you have my location. You know, I'm not doing it. And he did it on foot. And he's got the good work to get his phone into the, like, you know, so a barrel. Yeah. I love, I do have to say in the same ditto. Also, I'm from New England. So I have like this weird visceral like thing where I'm watching it and I just feel, I can smell it. I can feel it. I can see it. I can, everything about it like is just very homey to me. And also, um, summary to me, it's just weird to like have the sensory like overload with it, but also I have to say, even though I'm from not Rhode Island, but from Boston, um, who knew pizza chips? I didn't, I didn't know. Pizza with no cheese because she said the cheese gets gross in the sun. Didn't know. All right. Didn't know. I wasn't against it, but I kind of wished it was cut into slices. Yeah. It wasn't chips. It was just a, a big, yeah. It's bread. It's like, how do you, and they're pulling it. I mean, but I also say there's one scene where a couple old aunts show up and I, like, I feel like the moments that they have where they're sitting around and talking is really good. Like it's really real. It's very good. You get a couple of old aunts who's like one aunt says, you know what? I want the best for you, but I hope you heard him. I hope you heard him. I hope you heard him. I'm here for her. And they're like laughing and the other girl's like, I had a husband cheated on me so many times. And you know what? It's not fun looking over your shoulder. Like I, I was just like, yeah, you get that wisdom. We've all met those older aunt people that just like come with the wisdom. And yeah, it's, it's a, and they bring all the food. They bring all the food in it, which I love it. He's wandering. He's what he's wandering. Well, big news deadline news. I'm going to make you love my Morgan Wade. She's a, she doesn't even watch Beverly Hills. She doesn't have a TV, but it turns out she got asked to be in a new show called Dutton Ranch. It's a spin off from a, from a Yellowstone. Yeah. And it's on Paramount and she plays a bartender, which is where because she's been, I've been sober for a long time, but I do know how to make a drink and I'm going to be doing that, which I think is interesting because she was so, you know, she loved all the attention she got from being on real housewives of Beverly Hills. And then all of a sudden had to tell, you know, Kyle, keep my name out of your mouth. Okay. Cause I don't want these middle aged white women being my only fans. I like real country people. I like tattoo people like Ike other people and not those people. So those people are fine, but I don't want to be known as the tattooed lesbian that is bringing the world, the housewives to the natural opera or whatever. So good for her. So this is not like the reality show with like Kristen Cavallari's like X with the three cowboy brothers. This is like a, no, just a scripted show. It's going to be a new spin off called Dutton ranch and she plays the bartender. I think she's great cat. I think it's perfect. I would cast her by two myself too. I think she can do it. I think she's capable. I think she auditioned. No, I think she's pretty. I think she offered to her to get. And then Kyle Richards wrote booked and busy. And then Kyle Richard wrote again, a bunch of these, this emoji, like hands that are like prayer, but also clapping. I don't know what it is. Right. Anyway, so good for them. Great. Super happy to watch someone with no acting experience, get an acting job. So it doesn't bother us. I'll look good for you. Morgan. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah. Can you imagine all the other people that went for like, and they were all like on the times that's happened where you're like, you've gone back a bunch of times. And I remember like going back for the third time and hearing the casting director making the deal for the, for the person that already was booked it, like booked it. And I'm like, and I would still tell myself, Oh no, Heather, like, you're not hearing it right. Like, or like, they won't accept the deal. It's crazy. I am a fan of the fact that she didn't audition simply because I don't know if she, she may have auditioned. I'm guessing she didn't, but we need to move into the era where like, you saw me on TV, I'm not auditioning, you know, cause right that whole like bullshit. Yeah. But I don't know. Maybe hopefully she's auditioned and sure she's good. I mean, remember, we can all watch. Perfect. Remember the video with Kyle where they were kissing and she pushed her against the wall and stuff. I mean, riveting, riveting acting. I'm going to make you a man. She's not gay. Is she a lady? Um, I don't think she's out. No, I had said, I had seen a like small town morning dork show, you know, morning show and she was like singing in like a tiny room and she said, that's my husband over there. And I mentioned that in some of she goes and they said, no, she'd always joking me refer to this guitar player as her husband. I thought it like at one time she was in a straight marriage and then was single. So I don't think she's ever declared her sexuality. I don't think she has. And I think that she's keeping it. That is the old chestnut of I don't reveal my sexuality. Yeah. Because the only time it's like, you know, like when people say, are you related to Ron Howard? And I'd go, I'd rather not say, which means obviously no. Yeah. Someone goes, well, what's your sexuality? And then they'd say, I keep that to myself. And it's like, okay, you're gay. Yeah. Cause otherwise you're just like, I'm straight or whatever. Why am I worried about it? I'm not worried about it. I'm not concerned. I'm not, I'm proud. In fact, I'm cause I'm happy with who I am and I'm not worried about what anyone else is doing, but now I'm not going to disclose. That's what Ricky Martin did. And I love him more than anyone in the world. But he, before he came out would say, I don't talk about that. Anyone who has ever said they don't talk about their sexuality will come out as gay. I don't know that anyone's has even asked her. Now I think about it. Cause one would think they wouldn't have to. I thought she wrote that song that Kyle really liked when Kyle slid in the DMs. And it was the one you played us. Cause this used to be like one of our favorite things to talk about on walks. Yeah. We go on girl walks and we talk about it. I thought the song was about like a hotel and a girl. And I thought it was overtly. Oh, they're like, no. The story was that she allegedly more and way had a girlfriend. And then she went to Beverly Hills or went to LA and then was possibly hanging out with Kyle and then that girl came forward and like a video or something to say like, yeah, I was her girlfriend and this is all. And then the song was like, I went to LA and met you in the hotel. Okay. It was secretive and done and it had. And so if you listen to the words of that and the timeline and then it's other girls saying like, yeah, that wasn't great, but then, you know, but then of course, you know, then, and then Kyle, you know, is wearing like a tie in her confessional. And she's like, you know, her whole thing is talking to Erica going, I had someone that in my life that was very special and this person didn't want to be public. And I didn't know what to do. If I'm not supposed to talk about this person, what would you do? And Erica was like, I'd protect that person. Now I would protect that man or I protect that one. Oh, again, that's the other, the, that's the other, the other. What did we think of this season? We're done. I love to read. I love to read. Point is the queen that you could change your mind because we used to really dislike Dary. Oh, she is. Oh my God. Get your cigarette. It looks like a Marlboro 100 out of your bags. Tell them that you're, well, I'm not, I'm every single word that comes out of her mouth. I'm like, I love it. I'm just loving it on, we don't do a lot of social media, but I checked the temperature on Twitter expecting everyone to be with us. And a lot of them, they're not, they're not, they're with, they're with Erica. I mean, and I love Erica too, and I don't want them to not be friends. And that is sad. And that sucks. But there's some moment that's coming in the reunion where when Dary Erica's like, you told me I had to work. You told me I had to work. It, it's alluding to that Erica had a brief romance with someone who was physically harmful to her abusive. And she tells that story. And basically they're saying it was Dary who was like, you, you have to step it up and like tell your story, something like that. And so the Erica didn't appreciate that, I guess, even if she wanted to tell it, she alluded to like, you know, and then, and then, uh, Dary also alluding to that fact, you know, you've got to be up Kyle's ass because you could get fired. She can fire someone from the show. And then of course, you know, um, one of the cunts in the zoom said, Oh, she can't get people fired. No, we all know no one, no one person, whether it's Lisa Fader, Pomerant, can get you fired, but if you're the person that's like the queen of the show and no one is going to be on your side and no one's going to film with you anymore because you're like, this person's turned into an asshole and let's not hang with her anymore. That's what it means. It doesn't mean that she carte blanche can like call Annie and go fire to read. It doesn't mean that. It just means you want to get on her good side because she kind of is the center of the show. Yeah, they put, they put you purposely on an island. They call it that Jill's Aaron invented it. It ultimately ended up biting Jill in the ass, but Jill put Bethany tried to get the whole cast, don't film with her or try to put her on an island. Once you're on an island, you're screwed. Now you're only doing scenes like walking your dog and calling your family on zoom. Like you have to be able to film. It also, you can't be in a situation where the cast is completely divided or half the cast will go. Yeah. So, and that's kind of happening here, I guess, but yeah, I mean, I wasn't sure what I think they were, I think they were sick of the fact that Dari was late all the time. She was being a prima donna. She got gained a ton of popularity from smoking the cigarette in the car and the PK thing. A lot of people liked that they were and felt she was victimized by PK. And so I think this season she was whatever her deal was and she was always being late and they just got sick of like her, I guess, entitlement. That was my impression. I mean, the thing is, is that, you know, in real life divorces can take extremely long. And in real life, you would feel bad for your friend if they flaked at the last minute or they said, you know, my ex didn't bring the kid back in time, whatever. And you'd be a friend to that person. But since it's a TV show and they've all been divorced, they're all like, I had one season to be sad, buckle up Betty. Yep. You know, and like, that's what it is. And she's just like, well, I'm still fucking going through it. And I don't really like that you guys aren't a hundred percent on my side. I don't like that you're talking to him. I don't like that you're, you know, somehow questioning my spending when I shouldn't be spending this much because I need to prove that I live in a lifestyle that will get me 60,000 a month because I need 60,000 a month. So just don't mention how much I'm spending or not. This is how much I've always spent and I'm not going to stop just because I went into divorce because this is the lifestyle become accustomed to. So she's like playing the divorce game. And then, but, you know, I mean. The way she is, it's just like, like it's weird the way, like her accent is not as English anymore because she's not around PK, but it's a lot of, um, but she's always just like thirst, like, like, she's like, needs a, the Losinger or something. So it's like, yeah. She's always like, well, I find it interesting, Erica, that you would come at me and be such a bitch, you know, and then Erica's like, I don't need to be a bitch. Everyone thinks the way I'm thinking. And then Kyle's like, I, and I like Kyle and I like love Erica, but I love Rachel's Oh, and I love both. So that's, that's my trifecta right there. So I'm just like, I can watch those three shots. I definitely think Erica Bose and, um, Rachel are a fun combo. Oh, they are. They're a fun, they're like, yeah, we're like, kind of the way they talk and stuff and like they feel more real. Yeah. And they'll, they'll all be on the same couch. DeRito Bose and, and no, no, and Rachel. Oh yeah. Erica and Kyle and Sutton will be on the other couch. And then Rachel Bose and DeRito. Yes. I think. And then they are so entertaining. Um, do you really know that? That do, what do you think? Do you think Sutton? Oh, but don't forget Jennifer Tilly. That was another thing that made Jennifer Tilly and Kathy just seem to stay because we just need light and fun. We have. And they are, they're like, we just want to be friends. I'm like, don't give us the fucking time. And I don't need the extra money. I'm here. And you know, I think that's what they leave going into ladies of London before we close. I think that's another thing. I don't feel like any, only like two of these girls like really need the gig. Like I feel like they're there like having fun. And in the ladies of London, you know, it is, it is a fun thing to watch. Um, of like this English humor and the beauty of the, of it all. And then like so much of it is just, and it changes the dynamic too, to have the guy. At first, no, I will say this when they first, cause ladies of London started the very first words spoken that you hear in ladies of London is a man's voice. And the second I heard that I was like, click, what the fuck? Yeah. It's called ladies of London. It's not called the one gay male friend of ladies of London. And it was so mad. But then going back and then watching him tap to say, I'm a huge fan of him, Mark and all of them. And I'm, it's, it's, it's English porn. It's the countryside. It's the royalty of it. It's that home that the, the, the Duchess or whatever she is. Langley or Langley Hall. Yeah, exactly. The beautiful girl that looks like Tandy Newton. Yeah. Yes. And just like her whole thing and the safari and all of the things she's doing. And then Kimmy and the, I always forget this ladies thing with the bird. Which is good too. Kind of like they're not fish out of water, but they're a little, but it's kind of fun with the, with the American one. Cause it's like, is she being picked on or does she not get that kind of humor? That was like, I'm just pissing on you. I'm taking the piss out of myself. Who cares? Oh, look at your outfit. You know, it's like, and yeah, I'm a man that's like of that level. And he is a professional reality star. He was on the Chelsea show or whatever that was called a reality show that you can actually watch on. Hey, you now. And, you know, so he was on that and he had some great lines in that too. Cause somebody put a little compilation tape together. So real and it's, I mean, it's fun. Again, it's a lot to taking cause it's all new people. So it's like you really have to pay attention and you're kind of like, okay, it's not, it's more fun. It's not big drama like Rhode Island where like families are getting blown apart, which one is like, you want a low stakes. One is very high stakes of new shows. Right. One has the highest stakes. I'm just like blowing up people's lives and who's fucking who and like everyone's cheating and it's crazy. And then the London is just like the two stars of ad fad, meet a gay bestie. And like, but then also I will say tech and the technical terms was Bravo one, the high stakes, uh, which is Rhode Island. They all look like everyone else on Bravo. They all have the lips. They all have the thing to the point where what's her butt and Dolores look like twins. Yeah. They went to the same doctor. They admit that and they look beautiful, but these women, it's in London. They don't have that Bravo face. Also, cause we also watched real housewives of London, which was only on, it's not on peacock. It was only on Bravo. Yeah. And then we like ripped it. I mean, allegedly, um, and it was good. Um, some old cast members from the old days. It was really good. Yeah. There's a different production company. It's a British production company. I'm having like a super like annoyance when I hear like the music when they walk in anywhere on any show here with Bravo because they do AI. And it's always like, I'm bling in my car and go into the door and I'm like, Oh, just like the song, the song that are buying, they don't. Only beats. Like what used to be like Bravo like, no, no, no, no, no. Just, I don't want to hear some fake song. That's always on the Netflix, like selling Sunday. It's like, bling, bling, bling, going for it. Rub it up the hills. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like shopping for purses. So annoying. Once again. And then it's like hot heels. Walk goodbye. Yeah. Kind of do a thing. And it bugs. It seriously honestly takes me out of it. I'm like, lose the stupid AI. Like, fake Kesha song. Yeah. So, and then with what has been seriously bothering me about the casting in the last few years, and it started with the downfall of Atlanta. They're not, and the only people saving it, I feel like, and I could be wrong. They're, cause I haven't watched OC in a minute because it hasn't been on and Jersey hasn't been on, but literally Kathy Hilton and Jennifer Chile are the only people making anyone laugh. And this show is funny. Funny. So at least we have that. Yes. So it's like Bravo needs to seriously like have a come to Jesus and get all of them together and get their casting together. Cause you've got to make people laugh. A Bose makes me laugh too. Yeah. And I have to say in the, in the Rhode Island one, yeah, then we, and going back to Rhode Island, we do another girl too, who's like living with her guy, but she's not, doesn't have a pot to piss in of her own. And she's like, doesn't have any money in the bank and she's not, her name's not on the title. So there's like that juicy story. But then also there are some funny times like that one girl goes about the other guy that the podiatrist, she's like, he also was married to my Spanish teacher and was cheating on the Spanish teacher with Ruella. And it was really sad cause I liked my Spanish teacher. And then I ran over a lady in the street. I'm like, what? Like, she's like, I hit a, I hit a lady who had to have a hit a lady with my car, so I'm not a great driver. And you're like, did she die? Like, what? Hey, yes. There's so much that they are funny. Well, listen, we got to, we got to wrap this up people. But, oh, someone, someone put this together. I don't know who put this together, but they basically, Oh, they're like willing grace. That willing. Yeah. The, the, the, the two best friends. Ladies of London is worth the watch. And like Kimmy and, and I can't, well, it's with the woman with the bird. I always forget her name. Oh, Margaret. Mark. Oh, there's a Margaret and a Margo. That was Margo and Margo. Oh, Margo. No, Margo is the American. And then Maggie, I know I think Maggie is the one with the bird. Okay. Kimmy is the one with the red lips. Yes. And you know, they're like two, you know, drunks. I love it. And the one with the bird is my, my jam. I love her. She is amazing. And just like, it is like, how did reality TV not find these people earlier? They're, they're awesome. Except for Mark, who is a professional. Yeah. You guys, we have to wrap this up. Okay. Heather was supposed to be doing, oh my God. Okay. So I know, I know. Cause you have a thing. Everybody follow Brandi and Julie on social media. They're Patreon is hilarious. They have the dumb gay politics, which is the free podcast. We are all going to be together live and we are going to do such fun stuff with Chris Frangola. That is Netflix was a joke. So I'm so excited for those that are going to that. I'm going to tell you some juicy shit on Patreon on Friday. That's how the return done at what else? Anything else? Um, la, not launching or news flash. Nightmare and strip street is coming to Phoenix at the end of July through August. We just, oh, you know that. That was just, yeah. So for anyone around Phoenix and also Los Angeles peeps October. I know it's long way away, but nightmare and strip street will be in Los Angeles in the month of October. Jennifer Tilly, I'm looking at you. So just like to plan so many are flying out for the May show. So for some reason you can go to the May show or you want to come back out to LA. October is a great time to be here and you'll be able to see the Brandi and Julie show and listen, I think in LA, Heather went and I think you need to come again. We'll get you back on the chair. I'm definitely coming in. It was so fun. Peter, bring Peter. We're going to put Brandon on the chair. We gotta go. But if you don't like politics, just join our Patreon, please. Yeah. Love you. Bye. 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