The Matt Damon and Ben Affleck Movie Draft. Plus: ‘The Rip.’

I'm Sean Fenneseen. I'm Sean Fenneseen. I'm Amanda Davins. And this is the big picture I conversation show about Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and Chris Ryan. Yeah. Who's here today to talk with us about the rip, which is the new film from Matt Damon and Ben Affleck starring together and also to draft movies from their careers. Yes. Happy W.R. Thank you. Well, is this W.R.E. that's really where I wanted to start this conversation? Spiritually, yes. It's January. And in theory, this should be the time when the movies that the studios don't believe it are coming out. And yet, we've just had 28 years later the bone temple, which rocked. And I've just seen the film Primate, which also rocks. And we all enjoyed the rip. Yes. We still have a handful of movies still to come. Sam Raimi sent help, which we haven't seen yet. We have Charlie XCX and Aiden Zimiri's the moment. Oh, yeah. There's this. Is this the best January of all time? Do you want January to be quote, best or good? Like is the point of January supposed to be this is for sickos? We're going to the movies five times to watch 90 minute genre movies like Night Swim. Well, I think it being like a place for original movies, which is what most of these movies are, it being the last of last bastion of original movies is kind of exciting. So maybe it is for the sickos. I don't know. What do you think? We normally plan a dumpuary movie episode. And like around the fact that we know this time the schedule is soft. People, studios put things here that they're not really excited about. And we think, but we'll have fun. And then we were, we go see all the movies and they're not that fun. And then we record sort of like a down episode and you kind of like have a breakdown. So this January is what we imagine in our minds when we plan the dumpuary episode. And we're like, no, no, no, this is for the real ones, for the people who want to get back to basics, right? You know, there, and there is like a very gnarly horror plus movie. And there is, there was a romantic comedy on Netflix that like did not have enough sex, but also romantic, yeah, romantic comedy is still really have. So it's, they are meeting our needs and we're not going to leave this depressed. It's nice. It's great. I bet you guys are also feeling a bit of relief because it's an antidote to talking about the same three movies. 100% for me. Totally. Yeah. Andlessly from every different angle for the award season. And since the Oscars are in March, I'm sure it's like a refresh, refreshing, honestly. I think that the bone temple really lifted my spirit's primate, which is then this new movie from Johannes Roberts is just like the most what you see on the label of the, you know, at the grocery store movie of all time. It's like there's a killer ape. He goes crazy because he gets rabies and he just starts killing actors you've never seen before. And it's incredibly gory. It's really fun. It's 87 minutes. Yeah. It has a really good fake John Carpenter score. It's very stylish. Johannes Roberts, who made the strangers pray at night and 47 meters down. He makes, he makes like, schlocky good B movies. Joan Kulette Sarah Jr. Very much. He's kind of in that tradition. And since Kulette Sarah has kind of graduated to, you know, much bigger movies, it's nice that we have somebody making stuff like that. That to me is just like a good version of a dumpuary movie, you know, where it's going to make $25 million at the box office. The people who go are going to have a good time when I saw it. People are literally clapping and laughing in the theater because it's just fun. Yeah. Bone Temple, the rip, even send help and potentially the moment are like, they're real movies. They're not movies that have been dumped somewhere. They are made by famous people. They're part of like genuine traditions and movie history. So maybe, well, one thing that I did do is I looked back at the January. I think this is really cool. Yeah. I think January is from the last 40 years. So I just looked at 86, 96, 2006 and 2016, just to kind of get a sense, this isn't going to be a total history of January at the movies, but we can look at the kind of stuff that came out. In 86, not a ton of notable titles, I guess the most notable is probably down and out in Beverly Hills. Iron Eagle to a certain kind of animal. Iron Eagle is well liked. Sydney Lumet's power movie that I like quite a bit, but is not considered one of his greatest films. And then a lot of stuff you haven't thought about or ever heard of. The adventures of the American rabbit, the adventures of Mark Twain, the client of the cave bear, one of Michael Chapman's few movies he directed, troll, my chauffeur. Is the best of times a football movie? It's Kurt Russell and Robin Williams, yes. Is it like high school nostalgia back to LSU or going back to high school or something? Yeah. So that wasn't, that's not a great year. There's some interesting well-known figures there, but that's not great. 96, very resonant in my mind, January 96. One of the weirdest things about it is on the same day, three mainstream comedies were released. Bio-dome, don't be a minister cell central wall drinking your juice in the hood and Dunston checks in. Yeah. Sure. Which are all three burned into my brain movie is that I saw in the, I'm pretty sure I saw all three in theaters and I mean, we're 14 or 13. 13. Yeah. And I mean, bio-dome at 13. There you are. Yeah. I'm not a huge, I guess in Sino and Sino man, it's got to be in Sino man. Dunston checks in. It's kind of a primate of it's time. Right. Right. It was a monkey who was up to no good. Also that year, John Slesinger's eye for an eye with Sally Field. Sure. Lon Moore man too. Colin beyond cyberspace. Say the full name. Yeah. What is beyond cyberspace, which is what you said about to find out what was the concept of cyberspace in 1996 also? I mean, it was dial up. It was. Do we have dial up in 96? I think so. Yeah. We did. Okay. I was on the internet. I had an email account in 1996. I was a part of a pavement listserv. Wow. Where you would write an email and it would get sent to the 50 people in the listserv. Yeah. I know. I was like, actually, some of my earliest. I was like, my first writing quote unquote job was a college listserv. Okay. Yeah. I've told this before, but I literally would boot up and then just spend 14 hours downloading the reservoir dogs trailer and just like not letting anybody call my mom's house. This is I remember too, but I thought it was later than 96 and for a while. It was around then. And also like for a while, I was definitely taking those like AOL like free 10 minutes of AOL like CDs that you would get because my parents were not actually letting me connect to the internet. So I was like, no, no, no, no, no, let me get my one hour and then let me get a new CD. I thought it was like a free hundred hours. Yeah. But like I definitely maxed all of the math. It would be amazing. If some point like George Clooney was trying to call the house to ask your mom out, it was just like Cindy saw you. Chris DeVice. Sorry. Your son would be on cyberspace will never meet. One more man to never seen it. Okay. Never seen it. Also that month, speaking of George Clooney from Dust Till Dawn. Yes. This might be the best movie that was released in all of these January's, but at the time, it seems like kind of a classic dump your. Have you seen Screamers? I haven't. So if I remember correctly, is a sci-fi movie about little alien buzz saws in the sand, take people's heads off. Very cool. And I remember it making a huge impact on me as a child as a young man. Starting Peter Weller in the stone. What house, small were the plus sauce? They're like fist sized, but they're like screaming around in the. All right. But not like grains of sand. No, no, no, no. Were they more or less powerful than new met starting third baseman, boobies, we can do it. Here we go. We can do it. It's dirty work by you. It's dirty work by you. And it's dirty work by your fucking GM. That was a handshake agreement of long term stability and financial gain that the Philadelphia Phillies were offering him. Also multiple trips to the playoffs over the years, an institutional kind of trust. Yeah. Yeah. In in greatness. It's shocking because he's white. And you would just imagine it just him wanting to join the white as a team baseball. And he's vaccinated against COVID too. We're so happy to have boba shed under our domain. I recorded this like 30 hours ago. I was in a bad place. You were such a you're probably in so pissed off about Kyle Tucker as you should be. I saw that news relatively soon after it happened and like almost texted you and then I was like, I'm going to step away from this. I don't know. Jack and I had a very gentle meeting yesterday for 45 minutes that was only about the meds and we were just like, could this happen? Is this possible? Oh shit. No, no, not both. Kyle Tucker. Okay. Like we were we were getting our hopes up and we were devastated and now we're back. If you take another shot at the Phillies, I'm going to have a private meeting with Jeff Chow. It's written to quit unless you get the Dodgers to sponsor the big picture. And you have to do Dodgers. Adry, it's about the sterling line of that they've been together. We can't destroy them. We have to try to become them. That's the only way through. No. That's the only way through right now. We have to live within the rules. Never bend the knee. Her children can. I will never bend the knee. I just like to say if anyone from the Dodgers organization is listening to this, my Chowlin, I would love to attend a game this season. I've renounced the Braves and I am also a free agent. I love going to Dodgers stadium, but I can't buy this. I've renounced the Empire. Two Dodgers no longer my favorite player. 2006. Anything jump out to you from this stretch. I mean, high school musical is a little, you know, we're a little old for high school musical. isolationally cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering political. Yeah, and well, they haven't said that. No, I would it. I'm not going to assume anything, but yeah. And then the husband, Hillary Deft's husband, did like the actual, yeah, the public. Stack up relative to me, storming out of the fantasy football chat that we had. It's not dissimilar. Yeah. A man with really out there political That's not what happened. Uh, 2006, I just want to shout out a hostile hostile. When it happened, very important. Yeah. Very fun movie road decent sports movie solid. That was Josh Lucas's big swing. He tried to step up about that. What do you mean? What's his big swing? That was just to become a big star. Bigger strings than that, right? Is there a bigger movie from a bigger studio? It's a Disney Disney sports movie starring Josh Lucas as a basketball coach. Well, I was, well, yeah, I guess you're right. Uh, Tristan and he sold the James Franco film. Do you guys see that? No. Have you read Tristan and he sold? Is it an opera? I think so. Yes. He did not do it right. Yeah. Yeah. Um, high school musicals biggest movie out of all these. What about big mommas house too? I think high school musicals probably. Tristan, the old, the overtures, what plays in Malancholia. Oh, yeah. So that's yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's probably also a story. It's on a myth or yes, but like once you get into like the northern European stuff, as we know, all their mythology, I don't, I don't follow it. Well, you don't know the Norse. You don't know the Norse mythology. No, I don't. That's right. That's why I kept being like, so where is Thor right now? And you guys were like, he's obviously on Ragnarok. He's with Tristan. They're looking for his old. I just want to point out that Nana McFee is how Emma Thompson got to like renovate her kitchen or whatever. That's important. Good for everyone. Tristan and he sold is is a Celtic romance story from the 12th century. Sorry to disrespect the Celtic. It was also the story of Tristan. His old was apparently what Ridley Scott was going to do instead of alien until he saw Star Wars. And then this is just discussed in Kathy Kennedy's exit interview. Oh, we can talk about that if you'd like. Sure. I haven't yet had a chance to read it in full. I basically just read Matt Bellany's summary of it. Yeah. But I found it pretty depressing. She presided over a bad time in Star Wars history. But even even like her illusions to the forces beyond her control that were keeping certain things. So when she talked about James Mangold and Bo Willemann's script, which she said broke the mold and was amazing, but is on hold. And then obviously referenced the Scott Burns Steven Soderberghound Driver movie. What did she say about that? That it was great. But that it's not. Basically she was not allowed to make that. Yeah. Because Bob Iger said Palpatine is. Palpatine is back. Palpatine is back. So the other guy can't be back. Yeah. Okay. Right. And as a reaction, that I'll be naming my my first born son Kylo. Yes. Kylo Bichette. Yeah. This was this is just a terrible stretch. And then obviously it's very obvious to me that she was broken by the backlash of the last Jedi. And she just completely failed to make any move that was not incredibly safe and or day of felonies. She said pretty much explicitly she's like the hardest thing is that there is a small percentage of the fans that are the most vocal ones that restrict our ability to restrict anything. I'm sure this is creativity. Do what you feel is the most interesting outcome that can also be successful. That's your job. Okay. That's what all executives should do in my opinion. Okay. 2016. Um 13 hours to see your soldiers of Benghazi. Yeah. Michael Bayes. Fearless portrayal of. Okay. What? Of the of Benghazi. Yeah. So what happened there? What did you start as Hillary Clinton in that film? Which version of events would you like me to recount? You know, Hillary Clinton not to be seen in 13 hours. Dirty grandpa 2016 January. Kung Fu Panda 3. That's a pretty big movie. Oh yeah. Um the finest hours starring Chris Pine. Yeah. Underrated I think. Which one is that? Fifty shades of black was the sequel to 50 shades of gray. No. It was the parody starring Marlon Wands. By that. So January. And Jane got a gun of very infamous kind of behind the scenes. Yes. Natalie Paulman starring film with Lindsey directed that right? No. She was supposed to have a gun. Yeah. And no Connor come in to work on it. Um and yeah, of like a hot script at the time that was then kind of mangled in the making. A movie that does not exist. Uh so yeah, this hasn't been a pretty good January. You want to talk about the rip? Well, let me just ask you one more dumpuary question. Yes. In a perfect world. Uh would Hollywood more evenly distribute the programmers from January across the year to give people more variety at the movies throughout the year? Or do you enjoy the Lala Paloza aspect of the first month is just this grab bag of like ups and downs and curve balls and I mean, at the risk of being insanely positive about movies February has some really cool stuff too. So it's possible that stuff's evening out right now as more movies just start to come out. And I was going to say that they're like the rhythms that we have booked like come come you see are changing. And I mean, you see that like in best picture nominees and winners are now kind of released throughout the year and like you know, there are like four different horror seasons. Yeah. Except often for October, which is very weird. It's a good point. And like tons of horror movies this time. Exactly. It's like every studio is looking for the new window and the new spot. And like let's try this. So it actually is somewhat distributed. I'm totally fine with I wish it would extend to basically the first four to five months of the year. I think that would be a really fun fertile playground. And then if you want to basically call it what memorial day on it's basically blockbusters going into award season. I'll accept that. I think it will be this year three months because April 3rd is the Super Mario Galaxy movie. And that's kind of when the summer starts even though it's only April. But prior to that, you know, you've got your scream sevens in your bone temples. But for the most part, it's a lot of you know, it's Project Hill Mary and it's weathering heights and the bride and these kind of like exciting, otorous movies that seem like they've been dumped, but might actually be better than we think they are. I hope the new trailer for the bride was really good by the way. I don't know if you guys saw that. I'm kind of excited about that movie now. So yeah, don't you see the poster for scream seven? There's like 47. Well, I certainly saw 10 sides of it. Yeah, I follow his instructions and zoomed in. There may be too many people in that movie. We'll see. I will watch it. And I'll probably rewatch all the screen movies before I watch it. And I look forward to that. Um, the rip. Yeah, it's on Netflix right now. This is the new film from Joe Carnahan, who has given us some good dump you already asked movies in the past, including the Gray, Smokin Aces, Nark, Nark. He wrote and directed this film stars Damon and Aflex, Stephen Young, Teyana Taylor, Sasha Kayye, Catalina Sandino, Marino, Scott Adkins, Kyle Chandler, Scott Carbinell. Yeah, it's a very overqualified cast. Yes. Yes. And not everyone is used equally. I agree with that. It is about a group of Miami cops who discover a stash of millions in cash leading to distrust as outsiders learn about the seizure, making them question who to rely on. Okay. What did you think about this movie? It's an absolute yes for me. Of course, I had high expectations. This was number 12 on my most anticipated list because you have the reunion of Matt Damon and Ben Aflex, which is the reason I go to the movies or watch them on my TV at home. And you also have echoes of Triple Frontier, which is one of the great dumpuary movies of years past for this podcast. And a great example of the feeling of like, nobody else really got this, but like we got it. You know, and like Charlie Hunnam, you know, writing things on a chalkboard and then having a panic attack like in a publics is meaningful. So, um, and it delivers, you know, it does what it says on the box, like with enough charm and with enough humor, like everyone, everyone is very competent. And Damon and Aflex are having fun. So I had a great time. I think we have enough evidence from the artist equity movies that these guys have been making together since they were united with air, that they're kind of making the movies that they would like to watch. And you get that from this. Like you get a tremendous amount, even though it's a very dark movie, both like in its lighting and its content, you get the, the idea that they are really, really enjoying them. So, yeah. And that this is the kind of movie that they grew up watching. This is the kind of B movie that they kind of sharpen their teeth on in a different world. They'd be happy to just be making three of these a year. But they're obviously two of the most famous actors we've had in the last 40 years. So they have other responsibilities and other ambitions. But this is just awesome. If anything, it was almost too good for the material or there's the inverse of that is like, it's too bad for the guys who are in it. Right. Yes. I totally agree. The script is like a B-minus. It's not a great story. It's kind of familiar. But there's a tremendous amount of charisma and style that is happening around the movie. And you come in with these baits and relationships with so many of the actors and not just Matt and Ben. But like, Tiana Taylor is now like a movie star in our heads. So when she shows up, she's given nothing to do in this movie. But even though she's not giving anything to do, you're kind of like, oh, oh, it seemed like Tiana Taylor. Something must be about to happen here. Excuse me. That's not true. She counts over and over. Yes. Let's just take two very well-known actors. Catalina Sandino Moreno too. Academy had more nominee. I think from where you're full of grace and just like put them in a room and they count money. And then that's what they'll do for the entire film. But still, it kind of keeps your, it keeps the energy of the movie up by having all these overqualified people. And you know, Carnahan, I think can really shoot the hell out of a movie. And there's some, there's a chase sequence in this movie. There's some shoot-up sequences. There's a fire sequence. There's some stuff in it that is really well executed. Plus, Matt and Ben, their relationship in this movie is very similar to their relationship in air. And I find that fascinating, except they've inverted the roles. In air, Ben was in charge and Matt worked for him and Matt needed to make something happen. In this movie, Matt is in charge and Ben works for him. And it isn't quite trust him in the same way. It's interesting to me. I also find it fascinating that they've kind of settled into this, like Matt Damon is number one on the call sheet in these movies to my eyes. You know, like I, uh, he's a, he's a bigger star. Yeah, but it's interesting that Affleck is just kind of like cool with being the sidekick. Yeah. And even thriving. I think like, last duel is really when the possibilities of him taking the supporting role and going for it opened up. And, you know, and they were co-writers on that with Nicole Hall of Center. So maybe he's come to an understanding of what he can do. Yeah. How are he's just going back to Chuckie? I think that's part of it. And I think the fact that Ben Affleck is so tall and so lantern jawed, but never could quite become the same level of star as Damon. He's a huge star. It's, you know, it's a tight race or whatever. But, you know, when we talk about the box office category for the draft, Damon's just got more to pull from. He's just had more and bigger hits. He had a bigger franchise and born all by himself. I think he's had fewer smaller dry, dry runs too. That's true. Yes. Fewer, fewer struggles over time. Um, and so yeah, I think that might be part of it as just selling the movie is probably easier if Damon is in that chiefed in role that he is in this movie. Um, the plot itself, I still, I'm not totally sure I grasp all of it. Happy to help you. Okay. Yeah. Let's go spoilers. So this film is available on Netflix. You don't want this, you know, popcorn Saturday night experience ruin for you. Skip ahead. Yes. Don't DM me. I wouldn't say the reason to watch it is to figure out the plot per se. But so it's, it's not, it's not not. There, there is like, there's a consequential scene when they're all together. And it's, it's like, which one and the and the script is baiting like is Affleck the, is it Damon? Is it, these other, you know, who is the rat? Right. They're, they're, they're, and that wasn't confusing to me at all. Like the final execution of the story. It's more like the setup of the story is a little bit confusing. It opens with, um, the murder of a team member for these, um, Miami police officers. Yes. And then it kind of a series of interrogations around who may have been responsible for that murder. And the feds have come into the investigation. Sky Act. Scott Actions. Legendary action star plays an FBI agent and also Ben Affleck's brother. Yes. And they have a very intense exchange. This is up there with Al Pacino throwing Henry Rollins through a screen. It's Ben Affleck going toe to toe with Scott Actions. Yeah. Uh, I really enjoyed that scene. It's great. It sets us up for kind of figuring out that there's like, um, there's distrust within the police department here. And Nester Carbinella has taken on, I guess he's like the police captain, the major. And he wants them to get to the bottom of this. Matt Damon's character subsequently gets a tip that there's a stash house and that they need to do a crime stopper tip, a crime stopper tip. And so that he wrangles the team before he wrangles the team, he tells them all different numbers for how much is in the stash house. And while you're watching at you immediately know, okay, yeah, this is a setup of some kind who's responsible for the setup. We don't know why is Damon sharing different information with different police officers. He's trying to draw someone out, obviously. They go to the stash house. Now here's the thing that I didn't totally grasp. Right. Why is that neighborhood empty that they go to the cartel owns all the buildings? They go in all the buildings and they're using those buildings to store money. I think that they just it's the indication is that those are cartel owned homes and that no one, there's not a lot of activity there. There may be people in those houses like lookouts and stuff. Okay. But that and that call the sacks. It's all I think that was really the major thing that I couldn't figure out. What are they using this entire city? Call the sack for I think for pickups and drop-offs and stuff. Okay. Yeah. Just the place where they can do business. And then they also it's implied that they own those local cops. Yes. The highlight right. So that it's it's a business district. Got it. Okay. Interesting. So it's just kind of like the food court for the cartel. Yeah. I mean, I think actually then one of the cool things about this. That's something that happens to me. If it is like I believe it. Well, I think one of the neat things is like Miami not dissimilar Los Angeles is you throw a blanket over Miami. But then there's lots of little counties within. And there's like Broward and Dade and then there's like different law enforcement agencies running different parts of the city. But that the city is itself pretty porous. So those guys cross into like they know as soon as they go to Highlylee, like we're on somebody else's turf. Did this district go for Gore or Bush in 2000? I think that they were a bellweather district for Bush. And so then I don't know because the cartel very helpful in this movie. I had some questions about that too. Sure. Very nice with information as well. Doing face-time. Hey, it's me. I don't want this in a lower cartel. Oh, you had mentioned what happened to that guy? I think it was just like the guy on the phone, the other guy. I don't know. Okay. I don't know. He just kind of some loose ends in the film. Just don't go in looking for the air tightest plot. Yeah, so go ahead. No. Well, so then essentially they get into the house and they discover that there's a tremendous amount of money. There's a woman also in that home played by Sasha Kaye last seen as supergirl in the flash. That's part of the flash. And now there's another supergirl movie coming on. I'm like, why is she not just supergirl? She's awesome. She's really good. And lifts on like another nothing part with a tremendous amount of presence. And she becomes this kind of counterweight to Damon's character where she has information, but we don't know how much information she has. And she's also presenting a false front. She's sort of protecting what's inside of this house, just her grandmother's house. And it's weird because like it's a single location movie in a lot of ways. It should have just been a salt I'm precinct 13. Like I really liked it. So I'm not I'm nitpicking at something I liked. This kind of movie should have been James Badge Dale and pick another actor. And Scott Ackins. And you can't really tell who's good and who's bad. And it's got basically one location. And they're trapped in this house. Who's going to come get them first to cops of the cartel? How did they get out? And instead it kind of expands to like a larger Miami chase. Yeah. It's what happens when a B movie gets A stars. And I'm not I'm not a post of that. I really like it. The 80s and 90s were full of movies like this. Black Rain, Internal Affairs. They've all been on the rewatchables. There's a long history of it. I think it's really fun when you get this kind of thing. It is slight. You know, you get to the end of it and you're like yeah. Cool. That's fun. The reveal is incredibly obvious from the beginning. So obvious. It's just like why is this actor in the movie? Well, Netflix has already done this with another straight to Netflix action comedy. Starts starring two of my favorite people. Jamie. Yeah. Jamie Foxx and Cameron Diaz. Yes. Right. So it's like back in action. Yes. Come on. We got to we got in that. We got a few of this. But that's okay. And also, you know, to your point about the the plot not being bulletproof. I don't really understand how it all got got totally pulled off or what even his plan was. But that's okay. What Kyle Chandler's plan was. Yes. I think the idea was that they were going to probably wind up killing everybody. Everybody's taking the money. And it's Steven Yönem was going to facilitate that. Nice job taking two of America's boyfriends and making them the heavies. I wanted to ask you guys a little bit about this film in particular, but the artist equity movies that they've been making over the last couple of years in general. And the way that these guys are servicing their public image with these movies rather than challenging that public image because there's another version of this movie. Not necessarily the one I want. That's a lot more 70s and maybe one of Matt and Ben are the bad guy in this. And that would be pretty interesting to watch the two of them face off in that regard. I agree. This is much more of a testament to their chemistry and friendship than it is about like what if they were adversaries. Well, I will say the movie works because I believed it was possible that they were going to face off. Yes. They did pull that punch at the end of the movie. But I was I was excited by the idea of Chuck Ian Will having a show now. Me too. But the film ends with this sort of like these are the last two. The last. The last. The last. From Netflix in 2026. But like rather than sitting on a beach just like watching. Who is that? I was talking to Chris about this this morning. We're in this extremely vivid post heat generation of movies where everyone now who loves movies from the highest art house to the lowest dingy degrade crime movie. And TV is obsessed with heat. Everybody is like heat and obviously Chris and Bill have done tremendous work in supporting that legacy. You know, we've all seen heat is fucking amazing. It's a five-star classic. Everyone agrees. And now they can't help but get the heat out into the world. Like this movie doesn't have to have anything to do with heat. But the sitting on the beach looking out at the water is the most Michael man shit of all time. Yes. But the most Michael man shit of all time would be one guy makes it to the water. That's true. That would have been the one way to pivot. You can't do heat without having to make some hard decisions. But this is a movie about brotherhood. It's not a and it's not just Scott Utkins and Ben Affleck but Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. And you know, it's a fun movie. Yes. It is. I had a great time. For a movie on Netflix in January, it's an A+. Yes. So. Shout out to Lover. Did it know that you could train us out at Basset Hound? That's a. I had no idea. I didn't get any. I didn't get any units. We're coming in all those different sizes and forms. And I did a thing. Did you look it up? I didn't. But I mean, and they did also like what there was a moment where you didn't think Wilbur was going to make it. And I was very, I was stressed out about that. That was why I was connected to Wilbur. A lot of good dialogue, a lot of good, a lot of good cop talk. Ben is just really good at movies like this. He's really, really comfortable in a in a B movie that's got a lot of crime in it. Like obviously he made the town. He knows how to be what his energy is. Damon was interesting. Yeah. I think he's got a tough part because he has to withhold a lot of information and he's kind of the mechanic of a scheme. Well, when they first, when they first get to Sasha Kaye's house and they first start interrogating her and going through that, like Damon has like a 25 minute run where he's basically like slightly bad guy version of the Martian guy. And he's like, here's how we're going to do this. I need all your phones. I need you to go over here. I need you to go over there and you're like, what's happening, man? And he is conducting the orchestra in that sense. Like he is just really, he is really able to control the center of a movie unlike very, very few other actors. And also when he goes out on the street with Stephen Young and you're like, I don't know what's going to happen here. When they are, when they are fainting towards him being departed, Matt Damon, you're like, I like, I could see this. Yes. So it's a great point. That's that's a really effective scene because you don't know which direction it's going to go. And to your point about like internet boyfriend Stephen Young is just such a gentle, like a genial, likeable movie presence that you could never think that he would be the one responsible, even though it's pretty clear from what the way the story is playing out that he's doing something wrong. I have a question for you. So, you know, I've had some facial hair for the last six months. Yes. I did. They all, and like, they all have it. Yeah. Like, this is, it's kind of an epidemic. And I'm watching the movie and I'm looking at Matt Damon's facial hair. Yeah. And he's letting it gray, you know, and he's not dying. I thought he was like, either on his way. Oh, maybe to do the Odyssey or coming off the Odyssey. I just, if you look at any movie starring a guy 45 plus now, this is kind of acceptable. Yes. And I'm wondering about like, I'm wondering what even inside of me was like, you should just let that happen. And I feel like a lot of the stars now are very comfortably just kind of looking that like half manicured, half-hagged facial hair look. Yes. What do you make of it? What's it about? I have to say I do not understand men and their beards. Like, it's, and I don't, it seems like a real hassle. It seems itchy. It seems uncomfortable. It is just, I don't, it doesn't, I mean, that's great. But it's, it's not, if I were a man, I wouldn't wear one. It's not my prefer<|ar|> aesthetic. I think it's nicer when you have to use your Well, is that what it is? This is what I'm saying. I get so, it's, I think it's, I think it's about, you guys have that facial hair in this big movie. I think this will look like a cops, I don't know, it's traveling, it's traveling, it's traveling, the jawline, you know, as thing, as you age, things get, you know, much looser, more jowler and people are really very into the he's never been thinner. He said so. Well, for the audience, I mean, got him down to 165. Yeah, but that doesn't mean that everything is still like tight, you know, and you get like the jowls. I don't know. I can't think immediately of another example, but in a lot of movies this year, you know, Austin Butler has facial hair the time, you know, rapidly lose a lot of weight than the skin is looser. Oh, wow. Yeah. Any yeah, anywhere don't go losing a lot of weight right now. Yeah, I mean, I'll never never have a child because once it like it stretches out and then it goes away and that you can't get that back by the tip for you to have a child. If you can help it, do not get pregnant. Let's also could be covering up plastic surgery. Just going to throw that in on the last one. I don't think that that's true. I don't think that's true, but that's like another. Damon specifically has never given me the vibe that he's had worked on doesn't seem like it. Are you surprised that this is these are the kinds of movies these guys. I like it a lot. It makes me feel like it's the 90s and those guys love the 90s. Yeah, they're a linch pins of the 90s and even a movie like air just feels from a different time. And the fact that they sought out that script and wanted to make that script, I think it's great. You know, I don't know where it fits into the hierarchy of Hollywood. Obviously, like I believe in their mission of having the money kind of stream down to all the people who worked on the project. I think that's very cool. And there's been a lot of writing and a lot of interviews with them about that and the times in deadline. You can read those interviews. So I very much believe in that structure that they're building. The kinds of movies that they're making are real tweeners. Yes. And I don't know if you can actually functionally make a business out of this without streamers. And they've been using streamers to buttress this business. This movie in particular is unusual because they got Netflix to pay them in success as opposed to pay them a flat fee. That's fascinating that they were able to do that. Bill Bajaria had to go into the near times and talk about how we did it here, but we're not doing it again. Our model is our model, but we did it because it's man beneficially. But that's an indication that they because of their forced personality and success, they can bend the system. I think the next one is also for Netflix. That's animals, which is the kind of high and low style kidnapping drama. There were Ben Affleck plays like a mayoral candidate. But I don't think that that movie got the money and success. I'm just saying you're right. They're essentially using streamers as driving movie theaters or something. And when this first started and they first started talking about doing this company, there's another version of this where it's like we just want to make sure Andrew Dominic has $60 million. And all the time he needs to make assassination of Jesse James again or whatever. And instead they're like now, like we kind of know how to make this kind of movie really well. And we're going to crank them out a little bit in between Matt being in Nolan movies and Ben may be prepping like a directorial effort. I mean, I think he directed animals. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And I think he's also like attached to like the witness for the prosecution. We make it. We're talking about doing. So any case. Oh, he's so perfect for that for the time of our power part. Oh man, that would be great. I just think it's a really fascinating kind of idea just to be like what people want from us is instigators for the rip animals rather than goodwill hunting but middle aged or it might just be because they're saleable because they're $75 million or $75 million movies and not $200 million movies. You know, the other thing too is like in 1997 Joe Carnahan would never struggle to get a movie made because he'd already made a few movies that were really good. And he would be able to make movies till he was 75 years old. His last two movies are cop shop and game over or boss level, which are like streaming movies effectively. You know, they're not bad. Cop shops kind of entertaining the Gerard Butler movie. But you know, if you made the gray, you'd be able to make movies for a long time. And so I do think that they're doing something with kind of like trying to rebuild the middle class. And I respect that. And they're also they're like reading the market effectively. They are smart guys. You know, there's like the viral clip of Damon being like what happened to Hollywood is the DVD business went away. And then they so I do think that they just saw okay, there are no medals and there are streamers that will pay for it at this mount. And what most of the streamers are missing is like quality of any kind. We can do it a little bit better and they'll pay more for it. So who knows if it'll be a model that works in five years, but they're savvy. It's a really good point. And I feel like the Netflix quality conversation is often oriented around the fact that it's either like this film is either Roma or the Irishman or the worst movie ever made. Like there's just no there is there. So few B or B plus movies that they've made over the years. For whatever reason. It's like you either use the Virgin River set or you've made. It's just it's a very strange thing. And you know, that's obviously being dramatic. And it's not there are tons of B movies that they've made that I enjoy watching. But that is the reputation that the studio has. And so this kind of begins to reshape that a bit. So it's beneficial for them to I was looking at somebody to put together like a sort of panel of like all these straight to prime video action movies that are often like. Yeah. It's like Dave Patista and Jason Momoa and it's like two guys who are actually long separated brothers, but also the greatest killers in the world. At the bottom of the barrel of the wink action. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hope I hope I hope we're turning somewhere. Yeah. If we're getting into like the really good point. This is another movie that's not it's not super ironic or joky or there's not a lot of one liners like the conversations are like the way that cops shit talk each other. Not like turning to the audience like our guy. You know, um, okay, should we draft? Yes. Yeah, sure. You made some interesting choices here category wise. Well, I have a couple of questions for you about what I put because what I tried to do is mirror our George Clooney and Brad Pitt draft in a way in terms of the categories. But that might not be as effective or it might make the game more interesting. Before we do that. I mean, is there anything you want to say about Damon and Affleck? What they mean to the movies. Obviously, they're there. They are spiritual guides for you, Amanda. Yeah. And as you said, there are 90s guys. They came up in the 90s as we were starting to log on to movies. They've talked a lot about how both good will hunting and their Oscar speech were points to me. I'm paying attention now. There are people who seem to like the same things like I like about movies, but they're younger and they have a like an interest in old Hollywood. But you know, they're smarter, but they like to have fun. So, but I do think they're also really interesting case studies because they did come up together. And there are like two actors who experienced a lot of fame and success very early on. And then what are the choices do you make? And what do you do with that? And you know, I think some of those choices were made for them by the media or by the interest. And I'm of course talking about Ben Affleck. But you know, Damon goes like the pure director's route and figures out like a non superhero franchise. Affleck goes to Michael Bayland, then goes to Jennifer Lopez land, then starts directing, you know, like the ups and downs and where they are. And they haven't. I think that like traditional narrative would be like, oh, Damon, you know, easily outstripped him. And maybe in terms of quality of films. Yes. But like they've been up and down, you know, throughout the 30 years. So it's just an interesting like business school. Um, study of what does it mean to be a movie star in our lifetime? I think that Damon has like one of my favorite bodies of work of an active actor right now. I got into a fight with Bill about Brad Pitt versus Matt Damon when we were talking about F1. A fight. It was just an argument about like who's a bigger star? And I was like, I actually think that Damon has more bigger movies in a way. I think that's right. I think I think that's more famous. Yes. But yeah. But for similar reasons. I agree with everything that Amanda said. And I'll just highlight. I find their current iteration of like how they're relating to the world and the business. To be basically like this really cool extension of almost like the character that William Goldman and have it's an adventures in the screen trade where they're both really charming, articulate. Guardians of movie making their ambassadors. Yeah. And so whether you're watching Damon on Conan or Damon talking to Michael B. Jordan recently about all the technical aspects of playing smoke and stack. Or you know, Affleck talking to Fincher about bank, you know, and. Affleck explaining cameras to Jennifer Lopez. It's just like. Yeah. Listen to Affleck interview Josh Safdie about Marty Supreme. Yeah. And Criterion Closet. Yeah. Exactly. And so Affleck picking a medicine society over boys in the hood. Like they're just really. They love movies. They know movies. They really understand movies and they love talking about movies. So it makes their external personas. Just kind of more interesting than like George Clooney. You know, like George Clooney is a good star. And he's made some really good movies. It's been a rough 20 years for George Clooney, honestly. He's just not as interesting. He's more interesting talking about the world than he is talking about Hollywood and films. And he doesn't have that same like sinophilic thing that Damon. I also don't think I don't know. I wouldn't actually want to disparage him by saying this. But like I was going to say something along the lines of like I think George Clooney stopped challenging himself by working with directors that might push him in different directions. Whereas I think Matt Damon does that pretty routinely and also plays around a lot with like. The role he has an interstellar is quite quite dangerous for a guy who's like I am the hero. Totally agree. I don't want anybody to ever doubt that like I am the good guy in this movie. Yes, which is part of why that's in my opinion the most effective part of that movie is the most surprising thing in the movie. Yeah, I mean, I'm a big fan of theirs. I think they both have fascinating tastes. I think the way that you described it is dead on. However, Affleck does also have a best picture winner on his belt as a filmmaker. Exactly. So they they're kind of neck and neck in this perverse way. If you wanted to put pit them against each other somehow. And I think they're also their friendship. I find very charming. You know, the fact that they like stuck it out and have not been broken by what is genuinely a nasty business where people are trying to pit you against each other all the time. The fact that they have each other's backs and they built this company in the aftermath that their success is very cool. And Affleck was the only celebrity who got to visit the set of the Odyssey. Well, that's cool. It was like pretty much according to him. It was like a pretty close act. And then he got to show up just just bad. That's beautiful. You weren't invited after all that pre work you did all that elbow grease on Blu-Sundere. I mean, I'm sure you'll get your premiere invite any day. You think so? Yeah. You think Chris will call me personally? Okay. Well, let's talk about the categories before we set the draft order. Okay. So as you don't like the categories, no, I just said that they were different. Oh, okay. As with Clooney Pit, here's what we did. We did Blockbuster $100 million and more at the box office, Oscar nominee Matt and Ben together directed or produced by supporting role and wild card. Now the one question I have for you guys is Oscar nominee. Yes. So it doesn't have to be in their name or is it a movie that they were in? I think that we can do it. But we have to respect it. No, I don't even think that you can do it without breaking it. Yeah, but if you just have to be like, if somebody picks one of these movies in another category, then that takes one of like three out of this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we could extend this category to mean any movie that they were in that was nominated for an Academy Award, which is something that we do in other drafts. Or we could say this is a movie that only has six potential candidates. Then let's widen it so that we can get more movies. Okay. I'm fine with that. Okay. I don't, you know, we don't want to kill each other. I didn't do that work. So it'll kind of be on the fly. I didn't either. So we'll be doing it together. That's okay. You did do that. Because you were afraid and you were going to lobby for this. Yes. I know you so well. It's a fucking insane. How well I know you. As I was doing this last night, I was like, I know what Sierra is going to say. He's going to be like, this category is too tough. It's going to fuck up the game. I need, we need to widen it so that I can take in her stellar here or whatever. I didn't have interstellar in my top five for Oscars. I'm kind of you want to read your top five right now? No. How do you feel about the drafts? I feel great about them. Aren't they an excuse for us to just chew the fat? They are. They are. How do you feel about them? You've done quite a few these days. I look forward to seeing Christopher Ryan, you know? That's nice. You never see him outside. I will say he was traveling for a long time. I see him, you know, the third way to keep him in Los Angeles for an extended period of time. So it's really nice. You know what I will also say is that I do. We have the smaller table now. And I thought a lot about how now I like I can like push you and when he was the roller. I know when I watched the video back just to see that you actually did like sales slightly, which I really, which I really enjoyed. So I like that element of it now in 2026. I like them too. Okay. Good. I have a lot of ideas for them. I'm not we're not stopping. Okay. Because I thought for a second you were like, we're sundowning this. Yeah. We got two weeks off and I came up with a lot of stuff. Okay. I'm pretty excited. Okay. Okay. Where do your best ideas strike you? Like what time of day? Where are you? And you're like, no, we got to do the. As you know, I have a very annoying schedule where when I'm not recording, I have nine zooms planned. And so if I can get a day. Yeah. With no meetings, I can come up with a lot of. But so you're in front of the laptop. It's not just like walking around. You're not at the playground. Yeah. It's either that a furiously master. Okay. You know what? No, it's a bober shed flashlight. Yeah. Well, the problem that I have. I'm glad you asked this. Whenever I'm no longer glad I asked you to continue. Whenever there's dead time. Yeah. Like when I'm driving, for example, I had a long drive yesterday. I drove all the way to Culver and all the way back. Oh, you did end up going. I did. I did. I did go see crime 101. Yeah. And it was a long drive there. A long drive back. And I just listened to pods the whole time. So I'm not actively thinking about anything. I'm listening. Yeah. I feel a lot of my dead time with that. This is the hard part. Yeah. In modern life, the inputs never off. You know, that's very true. And I'm very susceptible to additional inputs wherever I can find them. As opposed to just sitting quietly with my thoughts. Yeah. But when focused on the show, it's not that hard. I'm not doing the show. I do too. I was just wondering if there's a place where inspiration strikes. You know, you were on a plane recently. I was wondering if Planshawn got activated. Yeah. That's a very powerful force. Yeah. I know. Was that a good flight for you to New York? Uh, productive. The way home. Yeah. I heard a lot from you on the way home. Did you? Yeah. And I was like, sir, it is Saturday morning. And I am in charge of two children. I was 24. Yeah. I just got a lot of ideas. I wish you guys would be cool if you got her a pager. And you would be like, star 911. Call me back immediately. I have a draft idea. Call me back immediately. Go see primate. Um, okay. How's Troy Cotser in primate? It's just the funniest damn thing you've ever seen. Academy Award winning actor. Recently seen in Black Rabbit with Jason Beatman and Jason Ball. Okay. This is the first time I've ever seen a black rabbit. I've never seen a black rabbit. I've never seen a black rabbit. I've never seen a black rabbit. I've never seen a black rabbit. I've never seen a black rabbit. I've never seen a black rabbit. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. cuts out sound whenever he appears. There's one moment in particular where there's a violent ape encounter happening in the other room and he can't hear it. And he's just like dude, to do, like cleaning up his kitchen. His performance is fine. Okay. He is on the, there was the sending end of one of the dumbest tech exchanges in movie history, which I encourage people to check out when they see it where he's corresponding with a veterinarian. We're actually know a DNA specialist around veterinary science. Okay. This is questioning their expertise. I don't think that you're watching enough new romantic comedies to weigh in on the dumbest tech exchange. It's probably true. In somatic history, but you can do this like asterisk, you know, animal attack division. I take your people we meet on vacation and raise you a primate. That's all I'm gonna say. You know what, I'll say for achievement in text messaging on screen, he derives will read excellent with that. Okay. I'm gonna check that out. And then they do like Scorsese push up shots, you know, let's do it. Let's cut back to Wednesday night. I got home, I had to go pick up my credit card somewhere. Walked in the house, it's a long story. Walked in the house. Did you close out a bar? I forgot. I'll tell you right now what happened. I left my credit card in the bar in New York when I was in New York, because man who doesn't go to bars anymore. Every seven years, you do something really fucking stupid. Really stupid. Fortunately, I was there with David Simpson, Griffin, Newman and Griffin just so happened to be coming to Los Angeles. So he picked up the credit card, brought it to me. I went and met him on Wednesday. It was very nice. Thank you, Griffin. I have to see him and some friends. And I came home and I came home and I lean as watching heated rivalry. And I walked in, she was on episode three. Yeah. And she paused it. And the first thing she said to me was, Chris likes this. And then she went on to tell me about the extraordinary amount of gay sex in the TV show. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I'm down for anybody who wants to get after it. I'm gonna try it this weekend. People listening to this, I'll have already hopefully try it. Post Martin Luther King, you'll update. Yeah, exactly. The fan base. I think I hope I lean and enjoy it. She seemed to be enjoying it. Yeah, I haven't checked it out. Let's just get the draft order from Jack. Jack, Matt and Ben, you in? Sure. I almost want to come back and check on this. Okay. You're fucking Matt's hat back there and you're glib smile. You know, this morning I put on a David Wright Shay Stadia, M edition Jersey. And my girlfriend looked at me and she said, they just signed a player, Jack. Like just relax. So I took it off just far in the hat. You know what it is? Here's what happened. It's also like, if you'd had to get dressed last night, you would have let everything on fire instead. Like that is very true. It's just the ups and downs. I think you didn't even want him. But the thing is that this, we spent this whole off season feeling like they don't care about us. They're trying to reset. They're gonna play the kids. This is a slap in the face. They let players we love walk. You would not do this deal if you weren't going for it. It would make no sense. So they showed us that they're going for it. And I appreciate it. But like, didn't they lose the guy they really needed? So aren't they only half going for it? Well, I don't think they... And I read that so they offered 50 million a year and then he ultimately signed for 60 million a year. It doesn't seem. Well, they offered 60 for the first two years. They offered 55 average annual. Yeah. He doesn't have 20 extra million? I don't think that's really what it was. It was like Kyle Tucker just wants to be able to be a free age. Not Kyle Tucker. Boba Shett wants to be able to be a free agent again. She knows what I'm talking about. Well, he also wants to be able to be a free agent again because he has the two and three opt outs. They were opt outs also in the Met's deal. And the Met's were paying a bigger signing bonus and there were no deferrals. So it was a better deal to sign with the Met's. That would have been... But Kyle Tucker's like, I'm a coward and I want to sign with the Dodgers. I want to win because I'm a coward. That's really what that's about. So fuck him. We don't need him. And the Dodgers are listening. Sean has also available. Fuck them. I don't give a shit. What are we like, gaping for the Dodgers? Because we live in LA. For the bullshit. No, they're going to ruin the sport. Okay. What's the order? Chris first, Sean second, Amanda third. Okay. Kind of got fucked here, but what are you going to do? Is there in your mind a clear number one? Well, especially if we'd kept the Oscar nominations in the traditionalist way. The answer would be yes. And I will actually in honor of that philosophy do the same thing I would have done anyway. I mean, stick it all on doing. Okay. And Oscar. Yeah. I do feel that this is the number one overall. Yeah, of course. This is the fourth consecutive time you've got the number one overall pick. No, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not. And I didn't... This is definitely the second time in a row that I'm on the turn at a time when it matters. Next time this happens, if I'm first and somebody else has the turn, I'll take the turn. I love the turn. I feel like you had first in New York. Did I? I think so. Yeah, die hard. D-B-3. D-H-With-B. Yeah, D-H-With-B. That was if anything showed the discrepancy, the disconnect between the liberal elites and the real people listening to the show, it was that. It was you guys being like, die or what the ventures, you fucking crazy. So all the people were like, so the insinuation there is that two liberal elites host the show and get all regular people listen to the show. How could that possibly be? Well, I mean, I just don't think they have enough options, you know? That's the issue. That is also something I lean one said, or she was like, why is no one competing with your podcast? That's obviously not true. She just doesn't know the entire landscape of movie podcasting. Good well hunting, you like that film? Yeah, love it. We did, we watched Pulse for it. Embossed it with Rousseau and Bill. Lot of fun. Great Rousseau story about Bunker Hill College. Yes, that's right. And yeah, this is where it all began. Sam, well actually where it all began, and it's always delightful to hear their stories about these guys going out for dead poets society, these guys going out for different movies like coming up. And so they were trying to get into the films before this and obviously wrote themselves into Hollywood history. Where are you on the William Goldman conspiracy theories? I don't believe it. I think at this point, it's probably like Goldman and Reiner both had some suggestions and they followed them. Yeah, I mean, I fully agree. I think it's just that's how writing things like that. I think the CIA plot out of this, or whatever is a good idea. It's still strange to me though that there's not another movie that's just the two of them that they wrote that is like a character drama. Like that is something that we do need in Hollywood is guys and women obviously, but these two guys specifically doing. It's fine. We need some women. Women may also see what it is. They're allowed to if they want to. Yeah. I wish they would write another movie. It doesn't have to be good while hunting two hunting season. You know, it needs to be something else, but I would like to see them do it. Nicole House Center script that they also wrote on or was it there? Think of the opposite. They had come in. Yeah, they had her come in. They brought her in for her perspective. A woman. Yeah. And it was the better for it. Do you feel that you're a woke movie watcher? Oh my god. In what sense? Like are you thinking about what's the diversity of this storytelling? No. I'm just thinking about whether it's true. It feels true. It feels true. Not if it's a true story. Yeah. What about you? We have a fact. We have a fact. Okay. I'm going to go with directed or produced by and take the town. I mean, that's what I would have done to you. So that's the best movie. That's the best movie. This is how I got fucked. That they have directed or produced. Fuck. There's plenty of good movies for that category. I know, but I wanted one of those two. And you don't think executive producer counts, right? I did. It's not. It's not gonna be. You gotta have a hand in actually. The lindas want you to open the door. This movie fucking rips. We also showed the town when we were in Boston for that. We watched the bulls at the Coolidge Corner. And we stayed. Did we save for the whole movie? We did for a lot of it. I feel like we saved it. I have because I watched it the other night and I was like, oh, I'll be fine. And then they do the second, the like North Boston. They get caught. The nuns. Yeah. And I was like, okay, well, I'll just like watch this and then I'll turn it off. And, you know, I just like keeps going. And then like they're starting Fenway. And it's like, well, I can't. It's very involving. Yeah, even after a hundred times, it's very involving. Possilates, Fergie, late breaking, rewatchables character. He's coming in this year. Yeah. He's making some appearances. And what did he do to his mother? He gave her a little taste. A little taste. Um, yeah, I love this movie. I did your daddy that chemical way. This category might actually be a little harder than Oscar nominee. And so this is why I put it here. Yeah, the town's great. I think his other movies that he's directed are good except for Live by Night, which I think is very strange. And we can talk about that if it ends up getting picked at all. But that's the only movie of theirs really that I've only watched one time. Yes. Um, but yeah, I love the town. So easy pick there. Okay, Dobbins, we got two picks. Yeah, I do. Okay. I mean, I would have picked good one hunting one in the town too. And it opens up a little bit here. There are obviously a lot of movies that we all love that are eligible here. So I guess I'll just go with. In Blackbuster, I'll take Gone Girl, which is still the single best movie made about Ben Affleck. And there have been many at this point. He is an interesting concept to investigate the town in many ways could be seen as a movie about Ben Affleck trying to understand parts of himself. But great movie we screened it as a part of the Friends of the Fest at the American Cinematheck and that was really, really fun. Played so beautiful. Yeah. Everyone laughed exactly where you should. Yes. So I'll do that in Blackbuster because we used to be a country where Gone Girl directed by David Fincher. Was a Blackbuster. Was a Blackbuster? Didn't it make like $350? Yeah. That was great. Did you see the photo of Adventures of Cliff Booth were the clapboard photo? Oh, that they write. And it says teleplay by Quentin Turntino. That was cool. Yeah. That's cool. What does that mean? It will feel more like a TV movie then. I'm fine with that. Okay. Okay. And then we know Quentin loves a 70s TV movie because we've opened up Oscar nominee. I can indirect it or produced by Take Manchester by the sea. Yes. Yes. Which is Matt Damon produced that the absolutely devastating Kenneth Lonergan movie about New England. It's not outside Boston, right? Outside of Boston. And not being able to get past your mistakes, which, you know, in this case, I don't know whether it's not possible too, but most movies try to sand that off or to give you hope. The single greatest What If of Matt Damon's career. Yeah. It's if he had taken this part, taken the case, Casey Affleck part. Yeah. I think we got the best version of the movie personally. And it seems like it was, I mean, he's the one who put Casey up for it, right? And that's part of his mind. Yeah. I think they worked it for a long time. And it was like, if we're going to, if we do this, like I'm busy for the next three and a half years. And so I will step aside. And if you, if I step aside, I want Casey to play the part. A, an unusually funny episode of The Rewatchables about this movie that is perhaps the saddest film of the whole sentence. I love that movie. Great pick. Okay. I've got another pick. This is a tough one. Because I don't know where you're going to go. And so I need to account for what you're going to get on the turn. How do I be strategic and just get something I really want right now at the right time? Or do I just follow my heart? And say, I'm what may. Like, for example, I don't care about Jason Boren. I'm on the record about that. Like those movies don't really do it for me. So I don't need to, like, do it for you. Yeah. I don't dislike them, but I don't, I'm not a subscriber to the cult. But isn't your favorite the one with Redner? I really, really love it. I think my favorite is us, pregnancy, the second one. Yeah. Hmm. Although huge, fun, good, pretend. I was going to say, yeah. I'll, I'll. It's okay. Take your time. It's tough. You picked what? You're first. I took the town and directed or produced. I got it. All right. And I guess you can only get so many here, right? You can only take so many away from me. So I'll just take what I think is the best entrant in this category, which is Matt and Ben together in dogma. Yeah. They're amazing in this movie, which was like kind of lost to time. I interviewed Kevin Smith on the pod last year. I asked him two questions. He spoke for one hour. Yes. God bless him for it. He told great stories. The movie has since been reissued on 4K. I looked at it last night. It looks great. Okay. Matt and Ben play fallen angels in this movie. They're awesome in this movie. This is, you'll laugh because it's a Kevin Smith movie. Some of Ben Affleck's best acting ever. Is the conference room seen the best they've ever been together? No, the parking garage. That's the best. Oh yeah. It's good. With them going back and forth about the nature of God and order in a Kevin Smith movie is legitimately exciting to me. I've always had a really soft spot in my heart as a fallen angel of sorts as well, a lapsed Catholic. I really appreciate that Kevin Smith after making a bunch of dick joke movies attempt to do something like this. This is also something that I think is missing from the movies right now, even though it's a little clunky at times. But I just think they're really, really special together. All these other movies I think are not bad that they're in together. I like them. Yes. But this feels to me like their essence in the 90s. Yes. It is also the most you of them together. It is. I'm falling my heart. Yeah. So this is an interesting place where the categories wind up dictating the choices a little bit more than my personal taste. But be that as it may, I'll go that Matt and Ben together and take the last duel. There's not that many of them left. I think in the long test of time, the last duel clips the rip. Although I probably have more fun watching the rip. Sure. Well, I mean neither subject matter is uplifting. Yeah. But I would say that the rip has more fun. But Ben Affleck who's having a great time in the last one. In the last one. I think the last one was quite good. The music got a little bit overlooked because of the period in which it was released. And also the amount of movies Ridley Scott was putting out. It was a time movie year for Ridley. Is that how it's a Gucci? I think so. Yeah. And so it kind of got a little push aside. But it is also a tough set. And the way that the movie concludes is quite serious. Yes. But I think the movies were good. Yeah. So I'll do that. And I will do Argo for Directed or Produced by. Yeah. So it's just a very well made, it's like money ball to me. If you can distract yourself from its truthfulness, it is like a very well made genre film. It's kind of excuse me. So when you watch money ball, you're holding its truthfulness against it. No, I just think it's worth noting that they had an excellent pitching staff that comes up zero times. So everyone is very, very raw, Belfie's ball right now is what I'm learning. I worship money ball. Yeah. It's the air chavez Miguel Tejada, Barry Zido, Mark Molder, and who was that? And Tim Hudson were, are not mentioned. It just has a pathway to success. This division by having Scott Haderberg walk. Yes. Just that's all that happened. And then he hit the home run at the really important moment. Okay. And the sound cuts out. So it's awesome. It's not even romantic about baseball. So is Argo, even though it sounds like it was like a really seamless departure from Tyranne for those guys. Yes. It makes it seem like they're being chased, you know, but it's just an excellent well made movie. And also like the Hollywood stuff in Argo is so great. So happy. Arkin and Goodman are fantastic in the movie. Um, you have another pick. He just grabbed two. He had the last tool in Argo. Oh, that's right. Okay. So now I've got a pick. This is just feel I'm going Oscar nominee the Martian just because there are vanishingly few acting nominations for our, our, our, our figures here. Right. But we opened it up. I know. But I feel better about picking the Martian here because Damon is the absolute center of the movie. He's phenomenal in this movie. It's also a hugely nominated movie. Two, four, six, seven nominations. Zero wins for the Martian. It's supporting us supporting not in this. No supporting. I think it's a great way to play production design sound editing and sound mixing and visual effects along with picture. What a crazy cast this movie had. Really good. Really good. Um, I like this movie a lot. I think I think this is the, perhaps the best use of Damon's talents in a film in terms of his ability to sell. It's a very, it's basically intelligent, overcoming, struggle. Like he really, it uses all of his, his talk show host, his talk show guest persona. Yes. Put into a giant blockbuster. Yes. Obviously a lot of credits of the novel and the story and the framework that he fit, but he slides right into it beautifully. Speaking of Ridley Scott, two Ridley Scott movies off the board already. Uh, okay, Dovins, you got to. Yeah. I'm going to take the other side of Matt Damon in Oscar nominee and it is, he was not nominated for an actor, a best actor for this, but he should have been. So I feel comfortable putting the talent in Mr. Ripley in this space. Great. Yeah. And it is my favorite Matt Damon performance and it is, it is everything that the Martian is not and it comes very soon after Goodwill hunting and he plays against his charisma and his, um, confidence and is just like a really messed up weirdo and I just couldn't love this movie more. Uh, so you also screened this movie The American Summit. I did. A trend is on. Yes, for friends of the fest. So also my other two things in this category or in the Martian Argo, which you guys already took. So talented. I'm like, I could have found something else, but that was all the googling that I did. So now I have Matt and Ben together supporting role and wild card left. I have a cute idea for Matt and Ben together. So I think I can guess what that is. And I think that yeah, and I don't think that you guys are going to take it anywhere else. So you're going to wait. Oh, and I think I can go into supporting role. You sure you don't want me to just take school ties in wild card right now because I'll do it. Oh, it's not that. It's not that. Yeah, great. It's a different one. But, you know, um, let's say, but so I think now I just got to go with what I want in supporting role. Even though I think you guys would go for the most obvious one, but I'm going to be cute and true to my heart and supporting role as well and take oceans 12. Oh, wow. Which, you know, it's an ensemble film. Yeah. And no, that's 13. This is no I. I wasn't in four weddings in general. He is more of the star of 12. Yes, but it's an ensemble. Listen, okay. I like, I know what you're saying. You know what I mean? Linus does get his moment. Does he get the most lines in the movie? Oh, I think it was the star of 12. Yeah, because it happens. It happens. It happens. It's like, and it's like Danny Hanna get over to Rusty. And Linus does come into his own. He's a huge part of the end. Yeah. And then he, then that's so funny. He sets him up for 13. Yeah. But is he the star of 13? I got to rewatch 13. I think if you have to pick a star, he would be 13. Yeah. But so I choose him in, uh, in ocean 12, which, uh, is just an absolutely wonderful movie. And, and does embody, uh, like, were I Adam Sandler and I could just pay for everyone, like, everyone I love to be in a fun movie together. I think I would, I would pick oceans 12 and I'd pick all those people and I'd pick those locations. And, you know, I'd, I'd learn some parkour and it would be a great time. What is it? South of France? Monica, where are they? Where's Catherine's age? I don't know. Where's the knife fox? Where's the knife foxes in the South of France? Yeah. So that's South of France. But I thought, but I think they do the Heist and Rome. I think that's where the egg is going to be on display. No, no, no, it's in Italy because they filmed it like not at Cooney, at Clooney's co-moled place, but like nearby Albert Finny is at the end, right? Uh, no, I think he's somewhere else on a different island. Can I make a request? Yeah. Will you guys refer to me as the Night Fox? Sure. Sure. If you can do the dancing through the laser beams, I will call you the Night Fox. I think I need to stretch a little more to be able to figure that out. How about this? What if you just referred to me as the Night Fox not in my presence? Okay. Like, were the Night Fox be there? Yeah. It's great. Do you know what time Night Fox is doing? Uh, so there was that two, or did you just pick one? Two, because it did town to Mr. Ripley. Okay, so I'm up. Mm-hmm. I'm going blockbuster and I'm taking the department. Oh, okay, which I, are you upset? No, yeah, but you did, yeah, like, you just, you held that reaction a little bit longer. No, I was thinking, okay, I was, I actually, when you said that departed, I was, like, kicking myself for not talking about the departed during the rip. Oh, because I was, like, this movie wanted to be more, like, like Den if Deves and the Department of Technology. Yeah, well I didn't mention that. Just the, the Matt Damon of it all. But you're right that it fans away from the department. It's a, yeah. Rat Damon. Yeah. Rat Damon. Can you call me Rat Damon? I'm not a rat. Matt Damon, not nominated for an Academy Award in this film, despite. Shocking way. Some of his best work, obviously Leo, is also terrific in this movie. This movie won best picture, but didn't really get like all of those hosanna's that you usually expect for a movie like this. And it makes them the Marty win feel even more like a makeup win or something, because like this movie didn't get nine wins even though I think it has pretty clearly lived on. It's the 20th anniversary of the department this year. And I wonder if we re re re re part. No, we've re re parted me to re re part. Yeah. I could part about this movie any day. Anyway, it's fabulous and super weird as you pointed out over the years, the way that it's made where it just feels like like they're like pre torn jeans the movie. You know, it's just kind of like messy and burnt on the edges and the editing style is kind of in shock. Tell me more about your concepts of pre torn jeans. Well, I've just spoken with Jack Fisk and he told me all about it. So he's distressing the jeans. Well, he explained how they age things on set. But you don't mean like, but that's very different from the like fake distress that you're walking into it or been out of it. I have to listen to the interview to learn. Yeah, no, he's doing it. Which is on guess is close. I really don't know what this point. I don't think make all my clothes. I don't know. The phone is selling distressed jeans at the silhouettes that Sean is looking for. I don't know. Perhaps what number is it again? Three. Right in the middle there. You're going to try and get sponsored by Raddenbone. Do you do you do like a distressed jean ever? Are you wearing new jeans or are you exclusively vintage at this point? I buy Levi's 502 made in Japan. OK, but vintage were in for new made. How are those tariffs going out? Yeah. I'm taking a little bit of that. Yeah. So I can get them from Japan. OK, but no, don't fly to Japan to get them. I should though. The dollar is stronger. Yeah, but is it selvage? Like, what are we talking about here? I'm wearing them right now. There's jeans. Yeah, but they're not distressing. Can I touch them? Yes. Zip flyer by fly. Zip. OK, oh, interesting. Is that wrong? No, I just, you know, you think that makes them less of a man. I prefer a straight button fly these days. Yeah, I'm only doing vintage also. OK, boring button fly as well. Blockbuster's a loaded category. The department wasn't at the top of my list. A lot of contenders here. Have you taken blockbuster yet? Yeah. OK, so you have a place to go. You have another pick? Nope. You have two picks now. In blockbuster, I'll take Armageddon. Wow. Wow. Good for you. I wanted to wait it a little bit for Ben. I don't think I'm going to pick another Affleck starring film or Affleck kind of fountain movie. Armageddon also, blockbuster, these guys are pretty popular people. So a lot of different kinds of movies are blockbusters for them. But Armageddon is the capital B blockbuster. I was seriously considering this in wildcard in order to expand my Ben palette. Oh, yeah. That's the funny thing about this. Because I don't know if my final is going to represent my passion. Yeah. I, to me, it's a swerve now then. The list is 80, 20 Matt to me, 70, 30 Matt. It's so, it's tough because Ben directed three really good movies. Yeah. And one, I think one truly great movie, which I drafted. And then two movies that I like a lot. So that does, it does balance the scales a little bit. But Damon's just got I think being in oceans born and in all movies is just like pretty overwhelming. Yeah. But yeah, I know that born in here and a lot of stuff, but Armageddon to me is when I close my eyes and think of a summer blockbuster. I know. When he sings live on a jet plane, are you kidding me? Independence day or whatever? Like are you fucking kidding my 15 year old heart? Just absolutely shattered. I'm just drafted. What are you doing? Why did you drive me? Because I got Gone Girl, which is still the single best movie about Ben Affleck. I stand by my choice. And also I believe in a world where that movie is eligible for blockbuster. OK, so that's prenetflix venture. So whatever. But it's, yeah, it's powerful. I'm just I'm back in him up. OK, cool. I like Roman again too. I was mean about the jeans. So, you know, to whom's to you to the zip fly? I'm sorry. There's other Roman with a zipper fly. Yeah. What's wrong with it? Why don't you get into it? With your whole chest, what's up with zip flies? Well, I will actually tell you that post carrying two children, the zipper fly provides like a structural support that's like helpful to me. The button. Yeah, there's a button fly. Yeah, the button fly. Yeah, sorry. So that's a, I don't know if that's a practical take. You just got like racing on an earthquake zone. It's like how works. Literally, yes. Like I'm like, I know you're like, you're like, make it a joke. But like this is what I'm dealing with every day. Right? This skin, you know, every, do you feel that as though you may topple over at any moment? Not anymore in that way. OK. And that's more of a core support, you know? Sure. You should look into that because I'm lifting stuff all day. And as are you. I'm not lifting stuff. Right. That's what I'm saying. And your back is suffering. And I'm, you know, I'm doing my little workouts. And I'm wearing my button fly jeans as a brace. This is not something I give a lot of thoughts to. You can't get this on the news or news or news. So when my wife asks me, why is no one compete? You can't compete with this conversation about button fly versus zip fly. This is one of one content. I do have some jeans that are button fly. Yeah. When I put jeans on, it's not like what's the fly? It's also like the vintage 501s or button fly. And then the 505s or zipper, which I was like trying for a while, but they don't really hold their structure. Go be a fit. I don't look good in the 501s. That's OK. Have you tried on enough? I think so. Well, we should go to American Rags. I'm glad you like it. You're like, you're a jean shopping. It's incredible. This is a incredible content. That's good YouTube content. You will not find that on Ringer movies. It's just the right. OK, Sierra, you've got another thing. I'm going to take Born Supremacy and Wildcard. Good. Great. Wasn't on my board. This is probably the sort of like the peak of the green grass iteration of these movies. I'm not a big Jason Born fan. The third one is good, but two is the one that features the huge twist in the beginning plus the Russia car chase. So. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. And Matt Damon is really good as Jason Born. Did you see the lost bus? Paul Greengrass. You're looking to be like, no, you never seen me before. I was thinking that I almost put Paul Greengrass's new movie up on the auction where it's about a peasant rebellion in the 14th century. Yes. And that looks sick. That film is called The Uprising. It stars Andrew Garfield and Jamie Bell. I'm very excited about that movie. Yeah. It's actually produced by Blumhouse. I did not see a lost bus. I know that it's your focus right there on my Apple TV, but I didn't see it. It was not a big fan. Greengrass, I really like generally. And I think his post born output is a little underrated. Have you ever what was the Tom Hanks news? New season. Yeah. Well, sure, but news of the world is what I was talking about, which is pretty good. I mean, he definitely just goes around town reading the news to people. But like, you know, that's peak podcast. I mean, it's how we got our information. It's absolutely right. Okay. So you got two there. What do you have left? What do you have? Supporting role. I have supporting role left too, and I'll be taking days and confused just to get my bed numbers up. Yeah. Okay. Obanion legendary pieces. Shit. Yeah. Affleck has done this part a few times. I also revisited Mallrats last night as Shannon. What's this wave describing, anal sex in that? I'm going to have sex with some with an uncomfortable place. And they're like like in the back of London. A very deranged movie. I watched the movie last night. Watch the extended cut. You got familiar with this? You know, two hours and one minute. Okay. There's like a whole 15 minutes at the beginning of the movie that sets up Michael Rooker's character as like the, you know, the guy who's going to run this game show. Yeah. And there's lots of Claire Forlani and Jason London stuff at the beginning of it. Okay. So they like really sliced and diced this movie and served it up to us, which you know, is a favorite of ours. And we watch as teenagers and it's extremely stupid though. Jason Lee, possibly the single best performance of the 90s is Jason Lee and Mallrats. He's the funniest person who's ever lived. I don't know what the hell happened to that dude. These and confused though, perfect film. Five star classic nice introduction for Affleck, who is a very, I think a very recognizable insecure bully. I remember older kids in my high school that were like this guy over compensating an extremely mean to small children. So him getting the paint dumped on him iconic shit. Love this movie. Okay. Amanda. So what do you have left? Oh, my last two. I have Matt and Ben together and I have wild card. So Matt and Ben together, Matt and Ben famously had cameos in the Fenway scene at Field of Dreams in Field of Dreams. So I will be taking Field of Dreams. Yeah, see there. It is eligible. It is eligible. It is when you get the third pick. You got to be creative. It is eligible. That's a great call. Field of Dreams just an absolutely amazing costner performance. I also just has nothing to do with Matt and Ben, but was rewatching scenes of Truth or Dare in order to get ready for the moment. And remember when Kevin Costner meets Madonna and Truth or Dare. Very funny. What does he say to her? He's like, that was neat. That's nice for having us. I was kind of like how I react to eating mushrooms in a small place or a store. Oh, speed. Anyway, I didn't get the Fenway raid from the heist from the town, but I got Field of Dreams. And then I have wild card, which could go a few different ways. So I was going to do Armageddon for to get up my bed. And obviously, gone, maybe gone is still on the table. You know, at one point I had the accountant too and indirect or produced by as like a back pocket situation. Tough one. I mean, it's tough. That would be rough. Who directed the accountant to? Gabbin O'Connor. Who directed the accountant? Remember the team of hackers at the, oh my god. Oh my god. You're all too. Yeah. It was like the accountant to have it. And what was the third one that we did together? This is basically this time last year. The amateur. The amateur. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I really wish the amateur were better. Just needed a different lead. It did. Yeah. But. Oh, that would be good. Yeah. So, like, I, I could do my aflick, but. You, I guess, and you already did born supremacy. So, what would I even, should I do? I don't really think I want to do Shakespeare in love even though I do like that movie and he's good at it. Well, here in Wildcard right now, Gwyneth, era, yeah. Yeah. the Metz on anything since he started. Well, I don't believe so. Okay. Okay. So there's no time limit on when they can, it's not like. I mean, all the guys will be going over the weekend probably. Time limit on baseball, you mean? It's not like there's not a deadline. No, this is something that people have been asking for in the sport because this has been a really elongated offseason. But I mean, it's got to be for the three weeks. And it's got to be for the three weeks. It's got to be for the whole day. You know, hostage for a while. He does. There's still some big players on the board though. From Berveldest, still unsigned. I feel about losing Ranger. I mean, I liked him. I'll do gone baby gone. I'll do gone baby gone. Gone baby gone. Yeah. Good pick. Well, well, Ranger Suarez on the Metz on the Metz on the Metz. I respect Ben Affleck. Gone baby guns. Incredible. Awesome. I've also tried to get also like Amy Madigan back in the news, you know? Good point. So it's very upsetting. Yeah, I tried to get a little to do it. It was like it's too upsetting. It's really, really upsetting. I remember you were watching her last night and I was like, oh, yeah. It's her reddit. Her reddit is just funny here though. Yeah. Yeah. I remember the co-cows and gone baby guns really sad. Not to spoil 20, not to spoil bone temple and hereditary. So I guess fast forward. But hereditary is 10 years old. Well, you never know with people on this show. It's just like absolutely overwhelming. They had one other movie podcast, and two maybe they could find one that doesn't spoil both. So people being lit on fire, I like, doesn't bug me at all. I just think it's kind of cool. There I am on that. That's my take. We'll take you to the Halloween movies. Okay. Because I feel like Michael Myers is frequently being lit on fire. And then five minutes later, he's like, I'm fine. It's so interesting you should say that because I was talking to Phoebe last night about different things on the pit that gross us out versus stuff that doesn't. And she's really not into anything with skin. Oh, yeah, skin is upsetting. But like I don't want to know, go, which I don't want to see them after they've been lit on fire. Yeah. But like when they burst into flames, I'm just like, I'm like a power of fire almost all. I need you to get four fingers in there and lift that up. Eat me. The American Prometheus. Power of fire. Anyway, God, maybe God is a very upsetting. Have a revisit. There's no wild. I like to see it again. Yeah. It's quite good. Um, the board really just played it completely in my favor. I got everything I wanted and I'm going to get what I wanted at wild cards. I'm really happy about it. Congratulations. Well, I just feel like I've been stymied quite a bit in drafts recently. So you're going to pick up and hang her here? No, I'm going to get take rounders, which is one of my favorite movies of all time. And some of the best Damon you'll ever see. And I think one of his great star parts, star turns as a kind of classical to your point earlier about how they're kind of these like, emissaries of Hollywood who stand for a certain kind of thing, the pardon rounders as constructed as something that, you know, all of them could have played that any any great star from the 50 60 70s or 80s could have played in Damon fits that so comfortably. I love that movie. I've talked about it. Incessantly over the last whatever years I've been podcasting, feeling good about it. So I have one my last pick then sporting role. Saving private Ryan. Yeah. Okay. There's a ton of really good Matt Damon work out there that I could shout out for supporting role from one of his breakthroughs and encourage under fire to his appearance in a chay part two. But I know sudden move, no sudden move more of it like a cameo but incredible cameo. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I will go with saving private Ryan just watched like a very delightful. I think he was talking to I can't remember who he was talking to but Damon telling an anecdote about Spielberg like doing two takes and moving on and being like just trust me. Like I know how to make a movie. He's interesting in this movie just because I think if when I watched it, I wasn't like that guy's going to be in my life for the next 35 years as a major movie star. Yeah. Like he's supposed to be a little bit annoying in this film. They're supposed to have a genius aspect of the screenwriting as to make him kind of an in great and to be you know, ungrateful for the journey that these men have gone on. So but a fantastic performance in a five star all time movie. Lot of really good Ben supporting parts that are a little bit lost the time like boiler room. A boiler room's one right? It's a great that's kind of an extended cameo Hollywood land where he plays George Reeve right who played Superman is really that sort of be kicked off his comeback after the series of misses. Yeah, at the box office. I was I think he's really funny and extract. I was just watching it was on cable the other night state of play. Oh, yeah, where he plays the. I much prefer the British rotation of that which I think you put me on to. Yeah, that was one of my first like there's TV over there and you can get it on like bit torn and it's amazing. I remember you definitely not that I used to. I was there. Hi, what day is what you not that I used any torrenting sites. You you did you said you said you did. Cambodia don't don't come at me. You mentioned Shakespeare in love. Also a good Ben supporting part. Interstellar undrafted. Yeah, I think you gave me a lot of that. Yeah, I gave you a lot of that. Yeah, I gave you a lot of that. Yeah, I gave you a lot of that. Yeah, I gave you a lot of that. Yeah, I gave you a lot of that. Interstellar undrafted. Yeah, but Kristen do it. Yeah, I mean, I adore interstellar. I thought about taking a blockbuster. Is Oppenheimer a supporting part? Yes, I had it on the list as well. Yeah, I'm an age for sporting actor. No, no, no, no. You should probably. Yeah, he's really good. Excellent. Is the most important thing in the history of the world. True grit. Also a breezy part. Fuck yeah, I do. I love true grit. Ford B Ferrari. I feel like Affleck should have been in a Cohen Brothers movie. Does. At some point, maybe they don't find him funny. Yeah, I do. They do very funny. But he's funny in a different way than George Clooney is funny. Like the unknowing or the true dumb humor that they do with with pit too. Ben Affleck's not like dumb funny. Yeah. Yeah, you can see him trying to do that specifically in Jay and Silent Bob strike back. Yeah. And Jay and Silent Bob reboot. Yes. Doesn't work as well. He's a smart ass. That's that's the. Yeah. Do you guys think about drafting promised land? I had it noted that that was one of. He's one of. Does Van Zahn's promised land. That was an early version of Matt Damon producer actor, right? Co-written by John Krasinski. Yeah. Jerry. Jerry. That's a leading role. He edited that movie too, right? Matt Damon edited Jerry. I think so. He'd Gus Van's in movie. Wow. Very cool. What about Invictus? Did not have that on any my list. One of the only acting nominations directed by Clint Eastwood. Yeah. About the South African rugby team. edited by Casey Affleck, Matt Damon and Gus Van Zahn. I like on the editing bay together. Got in the A.V.D. Do you think they have it? The three of us should let Jack take a play off and we cut an episode of the Big Picture together. I'll do a lot of V.O. Yeah. That sounds what I'm thinking. That sounds fucking awesome. You just want to have more time off. Yeah. I get it. No, I would legitimately like to see. What else? Any other honorable mentions that we didn't get to? I didn't do born identity because he did. Born supremacy. More identity is my favorite. Europe. Oh, seems nice. Yeah. The informant. Yeah. Love him. Love Matt Damon and the informant. That was my backup for Wild Card. And in behind the candle, Abra. Yes. He's great in behind the very funny and behind the candle, Abra. Really? Who's your favorite Matt Damon director, actor partnership? Like, who do you love him with the most? The fun question. It's got to be so to berate. Yeah, it is. Over knowing. I mean, but that's just that's numbers. You know, that's all the oceans. Because I, the informant, he's really good in, but I prefer Damon to either be like evil, or like, you know, trading on like, like really messed up or like the good guy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's had seven movies with Soderbergh. Informant, candle, Abra. Three oceans. He's in, uh, No, no sudden move. Side effects for one scene. Oh, he's inside effects. He's in unseen. Yep. No, wait, is the inside effects are unseen? Maybe it's unseen. Unseen. Yeah. No, then there's one other big one that I'm forgetting right now. Jay. Okay. That was the other one. I think he's in nine Soderbergh movies. I love it. Yeah. That's, I mean, so it's got to be far in a way, Soderbergh. That's pretty, it's pretty great. Meyer that one score, CZ. Mm hmm. Two noons or three. I guess just interstellar and openheimer. And now I see. I'm gonna be free, right? He's got four, uh, Kevin Smith films. Right. Malratz, chasing Amy, uh, dogma, Janssen and pop-strike back Janssen and pop-reboot. It's five of those and then two Gus fans dance. Right. Jerry and Goodwill plus something else. He's briefly in finding Forrester as a carrier. Yeah. Affleck doesn't have that. Affleck doesn't have his guy. He doesn't. I think probably because he thinks he's the guy. His guy is himself. His guy was sadly Zack Snyder. He was the bomb in Phantoms though. That's you may recall. Yeah, who is his guy? John Frankenheimer and reindeer games. Yeah. John Wu. John Wu and paycheck. Yeah. I mean, it's it's bet. It's bet. It's Bay. It's we I guess so. Yeah. It's Pearl Harbor and it's Armageddon. That's his dude. I mean, Jake Jones Hall is doing Affleck in ambience. Very true. Very true. Ben walked so Jake could run. I like that. Jake and in his right. I didn't know that. Yeah. I mean, he's always running. Yeah. Yeah. She's been run for public office. You can do whatever he wants. He's like the officer manager artist equity. He's like, he's like making sure the pens are there. Okay. Now that we're at the end of the episode, the ones listening anymore. I have one final question around this. Okay. Um, it's not nice, but I'm going to ask you. Yeah. Beard die. For Ben or, oh, is he using beard? I mean, he obviously is using it. Yeah. That's okay. That's okay. That's normal. I think he's just whatever she makes him happy and stay. I'm not shaming him. I'm asking. Yeah. So you're, you're going silver and you have like, it's a nice color, which is nice. But so you're not dying your hair. No. I'm not saying I won't. But like, I might do it. So dying your hair, either to cover grays or just like, it's normal. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So I don't understand how the beard is any different. I think we're 55 year old men with jet black facial hair. Right. I think when you dye your beard, it looks weirdly less authentic than when you dye your hair. Yeah. I mean, it does seem like the beard diars and groomers are not kind of doing like the layering that they're paying, doing in the hair. And we're not kind of like layering the approach. Do you think Ben is Ziplier buttonfly? Oh, he's Ziplier. Those jeans are too skinny. You know, I would, I would work with him on that personally. You're just, you're captured by the fashion industry. You're like, you're concerned for what is on trend relative to Ben Affleck's physique. No, I think they are actually too skinny where he looks, it's like a proportions issue because he's broader. He's got a big refrigerator in the body. And then they go. Yeah. And then they go like, and he's like really sticking. Like I think there is like stretch in the jeans, you know, and I don't think we need to go quite a stove. I got you. I think we could do. It's slim is fine. Slim straight. We don't need to be like a wide leg thing. I'm not on that. But they are. We don't need any stretch jeans. Do you have stretch in your jeans? I think it's kind of a good. Right now. No, there's. I'm just. I'm just. I know. I can't, you know, tug on them as you did. I just touched them. Yeah. So I just wanted to connect to my brother. But I touched it. Look at the gentle shoulder. Yeah. This is a. Look. This is an acrylic material there. I topped that I'm wearing. You look like you're like going to direct traffic, but in. In a little. It's a nice color on you. Thanks. I got it in England. Yeah. That's what comes from Japan. Mm. Yeah. Are there tariffs in England as well? There are. Wow. Interesting. Well, that was an interesting draft. You guys feel good about it? Yeah. I thought it was very congenial. There's no like fucking game. I took you to Gong Girl and piece of shit. Should we recap the teams real quick? Yeah. I'm sad that I didn't get the town, especially, you know, that's as soon as the draft order was. I was like, well, look at the draw. That's one of the most important pieces of cinema. Okay. I'm going to show us first. So what did you get? I got in blockbuster. I took Armageddon in Oscar nominee. I took Goodwill Hunting in Matt and Ben together. I grabbed last duel in directed or produced by Argo in supporting role. I took saving private Ryan and wild card. I took the board and supremacy in blockbuster. I got the department and Oscar nominee. I got the Martian in Matt and Ben together. I got dogma directed or produced by. I took the town supporting role. I took days then confused and wild card. I took rounders. In blockbuster, I took Gong Girl in Oscar nominee. The talented Mr. Ripley in Matt and Ben together. Field of Dreams in director, produced by Manchester by the C and supporting role. Oceans 12 and in wild card. Gone baby gone. Pretty good draft. So next time you hear from us, we will be here. Seven a.m. for the Academy Award nomination. It's seven now. We can do seven if you want. Six a.m. Are you guys doing them like a live reaction or you just recording we always do pretty early in the morning? Yeah, because they're announced at 5.30 something because of once upon a time people watched morning shows. It's really stupid. What's the biggest shock that you could see happening? Shock? Yeah. F one best picture or somebody getting left out. None of those permutations are so pretty. Something like Leo not being nominated would be shocking. Something like that where you're like someone who we had in or like Michael be Jordan. You know somebody here like I'm pretty sure this is happening. Right. Being left out and they're there. Usually is one thing where I'm still here made best picture last year and I was like. What? Right. And then that got us all. Gast on the secret agent because versus like Brazil. Right. Brazil will rain supreme forever. Right. I don't know if you're going to be able to see this. I'm going to be able to see this. I mean, supreme forever. Right. I don't know what about for you. Anything that you would be really shocking. I think that if what he said about the actors and I guess. I wouldn't be shocked if Emma Stone gets in but you know if there's like a huge Bagonia wave I'll be like oh interesting. I didn't see this coming. I think we've been talking you know there might be four international features in best picture. There might be one you know. So I think I'll be like very surprised if it was just an accident gets completely locked out which it sort of was in the last wave of. It's in play. Yeah. And that would be not surprising but we like oh that's not a good look. Yes. An amazing film and incredibly germane historical moment. So. Yeah. It's always interesting when it's something being weaker than you thought rather than stronger than you thought. So it's always more. But the guilds have been weirdly like domestic leaning but the internationalization of the academy itself will probably lead to a more interesting reveal of news. It's harder to predict because of this because I think you're right. I think if it's for international nominees or we're going to be like they don't have to worry as much about the pre-gurses as we used to. Because they don't really mean a lot relative to what the academy is now. We'll talk all about it on Thursday morning. See our thank you so much. Three episodes in a row. Yeah. You smoked all three. I'm coming back though. Oh, one do you want to be back? Um, let's see what happens with that I heart thing. You guys get back to me. Okay. All right. I think there's a water and marsh. So no, I'm sure I'll be back at some point. My idea. My idea was to do an Oscar snubs draft. Okay. Oh, that's a great one. Yeah. So that could be. Is that how are you defining snubs? Just not not nominated or not winning? I don't know. Okay, it's open. I mean, then not winning would also be. There could be you were nominated but in win or they could be you didn't get nominated. I mean, you could have different categories. Right. Yeah. Or we could say just this is just in the 2000s. Okay. So it's just in the 90s. There's a lot of permutations that we do. Sure. We had best picture winner draft. Yeah, but but it was polite. They've been polite. Yeah. We may add some special guests as well to make it a little bit more. I'll come back for crime 101. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think garbage crime is coming back. Okay. That's exciting. Um, I think it's important to talk about it. I think it's important to talk about heat. It's important to talk about. It's a little discussed. Yeah. And we will. It won't let it stand. We need to get more hours on the board of heat talk. Uh, thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode for Jack. We killed it this week, dude. A lot of recordings. How are you feeling? Top of the world. Next week. No recordings Monday through Wednesday. I'm fucking pump. I'm pumped to have a great Martin Luther King day. We'll see you soon. Bye.