ANTM Doc Exposes Tyra Banks + Mark Ballas Answers Our Burning Traitors Questions

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Last week you had the Super Bowl hat I know Now you got all the Olympic sweaters coming out Loves sports I heart sports And I love the Olympics Yes Well I told you guys I warned everybody that I Did purchase multiple sweaters I had the quarter zip that I've been wearing And this is the first time I've actually worn The official Olympic sweater out I like it a lot So had to pull this out because we got the start of the ladies figure skating today, which I'm excited to watch their short programs. And the women's hockey is playing the gold medal match this week as well. So, you know, I'm feeling like I had to pull the sweater out. Yeah, love it. There's only so many weeks you can wear the merch. Because summer is also around the corner. Yeah. And then it'll be. But you know what's nice is this doesn't say like winter Olympics, you know? So it's like, granted, yes, it's a sweater. So I wouldn't really be wearing it as much in the summer. It could be cute by a fire. Exactly. Like a chilly summer night outside, fire pit. You got shorts on? Shorts on. I got the sweater wrapped around my shoulders. Just maybe toasting some marshmallows. Just watch gymnastics happen, you know? So preppy. yes extremely preppy well let's you know ralph loren that's true it's hard to escape that that is true for that for that brand but yeah other than that doing great you know i was real miss chatty before this podcast started and you were like come on let's record stop talking well just i mean a little behind the scenes of how you know the magic is made but we always kind of set a time for recording we never start at the time we actually say we're gonna start no always is way later but sometimes there is a time where it's like oh i actually have something to do after recording so all the fun haha talk before yeah if it goes on too long then then we're we have to tack it on at the end right and imagine we don't finish the episode then i gotta go to the dozen and then we have to come back here yeah no thank you but the thing is i was just giving everyone a free show and like that's why i said i was like oh you're gonna miss out on this comedy gold right I know I'm on a roll. Well, you know, when you guys start riffing, it's just magic. When you start going. You want to come on Ria Rants tonight? We can continue the magic. You should. The people are always asking for you, but I'm like, you know what, guys? He's busy. He's busy. You want to overexposure. It's just like that DM I got that I hope either you or Noah get on. Which pissed me off because I was like, what about me? the girl who loves to entertain sorry they'd rather see Noah yeah I'm like I love to dance I love to sing I love to entertain but no let's get Noah on Dancing with the Stars that shit pissed me off I was like are you kidding me it was literally I was dying reading the DMX I have to read this out loud no you were like if you or Noah I'm like I'm not even a part of the show anymore fuck me I guess like fuck whatever shit Noah if you were on Dancing with the Stars who would you want to be your partner since you're such an avid fan now probably Whitney you know good choice that is a good choice I could see you being paired with Whitney yeah I think so I mean any of them would be great but I think Emma seems fun and maybe like cause she has experience with a not so great dancer yeah you're like if I'm following Andy I'm in a good place because I don't know if I could I don't know if I have Robert in me I say Pasha usually but like any of them didn't you say Mark at one point I would do Mark, I would do Val, Pasha you can't go wrong Alan, Brandon, Ezra, like literally anybody yeah we just joke just anybody buckled and all of them have their own special unique qualities about them that make them great so really anybody And Mark Ballas is on our episode today. Yes, Mark is on our episode today and we talked all about traitors, which is so fun because we could talk about traitors for hours and hours. You know what pissed me off this morning as I was walking into work? You're really hitting the piss. Sorry. That really pissed me off. I'm in a mode right now where I feel like I'm entertaining everybody. The words are coming out sharper. They're coming out strong and sharp. this person I was on a crosswalk walking across the street passing someone and they just sneezed just out in the open like achoo and like no yeah excuse you? when you're in the outside it's not a free for all to just sneeze any which way you want go into your elbow and now I'm sniffling a little bit you think that he got you it was a direct hit I think I got directly hit you know what you do you have to hold your breath when that happens until they're like out of the area I didn't even know it just happened so fast you know and I just I just was how far away was he close too close I was disgusted I'm like well who what kind of barn animal are you to be just doing that like publicly like that and also like in a suit as well no but it's just you're a dressed up man going to work and you just get out in the open if you're around other people absolutely I'm never sneezing openly like if you're alone in your apartment I think I still when I walk all of them and there's nobody around me I'm sneezing just open? if there's nobody near me who cares it's not a reflex to go into your arm oh wow I'm walking the dog too oh the more you know if there's somebody walking past me or someone close by absolutely then I will but if I'm on the sidewalk and I have a wide radius around me you just are just like this out in the open oh my god I'm stunned I'm absolutely stunned you do that? when you sneeze as much as I do you start to give up after a little while I sneeze so much It's just, it's exhausting. I'm sorry. I'm not to be judgmental, but I am taking it back a little bit. Like, I'll go like, if I'm just by myself and I don't feel it, or if I have some of my hands. Maybe in your shoulder. We're just like toward the ground. It seems like you guys are just shimmying it out. I don't know what to tell you. If there's nobody close by, I don't care about sneezing into, you know, where's. No, I think it's just a reflex thing. Even at home. Like, I'm just not just like... Well, at home, I'm not sneezing like crazy. It's more if I'm outside and there's nobody around me. Yeah. You're home alone, like, farting. Same thing? Like... The way he paused before saying farting. When you're like, farting. Excuse me. Are you asking me about my farts right now? I'm saying, like, because obviously you're not going to do it in public. but if you're home, you don't hold it in. Like, alone. No, but farting is different than sneezing. It is. But it's the same idea of, like, you don't act the same way when you're alone. Yeah, but you're covering your mouth when you're around other people, when you're sneezing. You're holding a fart in. Yeah, but your fart's not going to get anybody sick. Yeah, I mean, unless you fart on their face and give them pink eye. You know, the only person you're hurting is yourself when you're holding in the fart. Yeah, maybe cough is better compared to that. you know why not a fart because you're home alone like go for it no way I'm not covering my asshole with my hands to cover my fart or holding it in giving yourself a tummy ache you're walking on the street you're like yeah maybe you're holding it in when you're around other people because you don't want to fart next to them yeah it's different than it's different yeah yes oh shit wow oh that made me laugh hard anyways anyways you just gotta walk it you know walk a little when you sneeze like as much as i see you gotta figure that out i know but it's always it's the worst for me in the mornings yeah so like i get up right away and go and take olive out and that's the time when I'm like my eyes are watering my nose is running it's like when I wake up is my allergies are always so bad I could pretty much make an excuse for anything you do I appreciate that if somebody else were to tell me I would be like I'm like you know what I'm not sneezing all over people yeah it's just if I'm around other people I'm absolutely not sneezing willy nilly Yeah, well, definitely don't be farting either. No, don't. I literally need a clip of Noah just sitting back, pausing. Yeah. What about, like, farting? That's another one where you'll be like, clip that, and I'll be like, I feel like out of context, that might not be. No, but it's funny. Yeah. It's funny. Moving on. Tour is right around the corner, so make sure you guys are getting your tickets. We'll be announcing guests very, very soon, and we can't wait to see you guys there. So tickets are on sale now. We are headed to Charlotte, Seattle, San Diego, Dallas, Boston, and Minneapolis. And we want to see your beautiful faces there. And don't forget your signs. If you're coming to a show, make sure you bring a sign. Can't wait. Can't wait to see those. And all right, let's get into the rest of today's episode. We're going to be talking about the America's Next Top Model documentary that premiered Monday night. A lot of thoughts. Hannah Montana 20th anniversary special. 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America's Next Top Model documentary, three-part series, premiered on Monday. Look, we took away one thing from watching this, and Tyra's really not that sorry. I was absolutely stunned watching this, by the way. Does she have an authentic bone in her body? Yeah, I don't know. I felt like she was really not sorry. And even when things were explained to her. Yeah. I'm like, why? It seemed like she almost had a character on the whole time, too. Does that make sense? She was looking in the camera and being like, model smile. Like this. Like she was hosting. It just didn't feel real. It didn't feel genuine. It didn't feel genuine. It didn't feel genuine. It didn't feel genuine. It didn't feel genuine. With the other people on the show. like she was like and I what and I after they were all fired and she was like and I cried myself to sleep that night I was like I don't believe you I don't believe you either I I mean look there's one side of me that's like okay I guess good for her she's standing by clearly how she feels about it but at the same time it's like it blows my mind that she can't be honest and vulnerable and admit that they made mistakes because it's like acknowledging that there were mistakes but everything was like a but but but this is how reality tv worked and but i wasn't in production but i didn't know the cameras were still going but this is what the audience wanted it was a blame game for everybody everybody was blaming somebody else for something and i just didn't understand why I couldn't feel like she was genuinely sorry about literally anything and Ken yeah he was definitely not sorry about anything either yeah and I just I was I was sort of blown away while by watching it because yeah no part of me was watching it going oh wow they you know they really know that they messed up sometimes right what was the one shoot that Ken was like yeah that was wrong the like the violence the violence one but that was the only one that he was like he was like yeah that one I'll say it was bad I'll hand up that one was a mistake oh not all the other ones that were mentioned it's crazy and what's crazy is they really kind of doubled down on so much like I know people always talk about the like race swapping shoot and then it's like oh and then they did it again nine cycles later which is like a lot of seasons later to do it again and with the stuff with shandy that is so insane and heartbreaking and crazy the fact that the fact that she went on tyra's talk show and tyra played the footage that she clearly didn't want to watch for everyone else to watch again like at that point later like years later is mind-blowing to me to not think like oh we should maybe not play this on tv again the shandy stuff was so insane to me because for some reason when they were all talking about what happened it was almost like they still couldn't wrap their head around what they did wrong yeah and they just kept saying well you know it's a show and we film everything right that's not the issue that's not the issue is that you were watching a girl who was clearly obliterated yeah be taken advantage of in her extremely drunk state yeah and what you should have done was hey let's send these guys home yeah she's clearly not in the right state of mind right now to be making these decisions that's where you fucked up yeah they kept just trying to excuse them filming it all it's like no the problem is that nobody stepped in to stop this. Nobody stopped it and on top of that it's like they then watched it back and said oh we can put this on TV. Right and they doubled down on it. It was like they didn't stop it. And Ken was like there was more that we didn't air. Yeah acting like. What? No acting like that they aired like the good stuff. Right they were acting like they were the good guys by being like there was more we could have shown. Excuse me that's horrible. You are now admitting that even more happened with this poor girl that you did not stop. You filmed and broadcasted on television and it's like and then it broke that whole it just broke my heart because i'm like you know this young girl she thinks that this was her fault her boyfriend she's then forced to call her boyfriend on camera and at no point does anyone step in to be like shandy this wasn't your fault like you know and and that broke my heart because it was yeah like the girl talk with with tyra being like talking about cheating and it was just like did you cheat like it's like I don't know I that just really and I know that people have been having these conversations about Tyra and this show for a long time but really seeing it all happen and then almost there's almost instances where it seemed like Tyra in the interviews couldn't even remember what they were referring to which I think is even worse because it's like oh you're living in your la la land of like i didn't do anything wrong you don't even you're you're you clearly it's clearly not sitting on your mind like it's clearly not in the back of your head like oh man like that was a mistake when we did that she's like remind me again like what that was it's like oh you don't even fucking remember yeah it was it was wild i was watching the whole time just kind of first of all you know the fact that we grew up watching the show and i'm kind of looking back on like what I watched and I'm like oh you know like I'm just like you as a lot of young women did watching this show seeing what was broadcasted that goes into your brain and you're like a lot of it was disgusting I know you're just a lot of disappointment yeah and it seemed like Tyra maybe like it seemed like Tyra went into it with the right intentions of wanting to sort of disrupt the industry and having these conversations but then the show had such a shift Like it wasn't in favor of these girls. They weren't helping these girls. It was like, well, now where do these girls fit in the industry? And it wasn't like, how do we get them to break into this industry and disrupt the industry? It's, oh, no, how do we get them to fit in to this already fucked up industry? So in Tyra's mind, she's like, well, I'm just, you know, I'm trying to give, I'm trying to help them. I'm helping them. I'm giving them advice that if they want a long career, they got to change this, this, this, and this so that they can fit into the industry. Instead of like embracing and loving what they have and being like, we're going to get you through these doors and you're going to, you're going to be a disruptor. It was like, no, actually let's change your teeth. Let's change this. Let's change your hair. Let's change all these things. So that you can fit the mold of what these agents want. And it really does feel like Tyra doubles down on that too, where it's like, I knew that agents weren't going to want to they weren't going to want to sign her she wasn't going to get these kinds of big big deals with that look one of the journalists even said watching it with adult eyes which was kind of how I felt watching this documentary when I watched this show I was a kid and now I'm watching it as an adult and I'm just like it just leaves this bad taste in your mouth and seeing the way they picked apart all these women and honestly like Tyra can say you know I did this show to make a you know try to make a change she wanted a hit show yeah she wanted you know what I mean she wanted to make a hit television show and I think she used yeah the guise of oh I want to break molds in the industry and once they started to realize that they was like oh what's good TV what's not then they were just like we're just trying to make an entertaining show because they knew the problems that these women were going to run into and danielle spoke and she said that tyra called her 15 years later to be like i knew that you know you were being doors were being shut on you and like i didn't do anything to help it yeah and that's so and she's like how fucked up is that like you knew yeah and you didn't do anything to help me doesn't really seem like she did much to help anybody afterwards and it's it did and they sort of touch on this in the documentary of like the show became so huge that the storylines of the show really started to take over more than you know who is the best model and and those kinds of things like talking about maybe not using the best picture from some of the shoots to be used in like the eliminations because oh, they know that this girl needs to make it to the next week over another girl and sort of manipulating it in that way. But it really seemed like none of the girls got any help doing anything after the shows or any sort of good advice or mentorship or anything to help them actually break into the into the modeling world you know they touched on the on the tiffany moment which is the um obviously big viral moment that everybody went for we were rooting for you i've never yelled at a girl like this in my life exactly which we all know so clearly but she i want to say she i saw that she posted on instagram and basically just like said that um all the shit that like tyra was saying she doesn't really believe um she said that tyra had said a lot more and the captains wrote hold up at tyra banks let's keep it cute you are one lying ass tied ass bitch you know how you treated me the whole time off and on camera you was a bully you treated me like shit and said the nastiest things about me and my son this is not how the argument went but y'all edited it to make it look like you cared um it's just a fuck the shade room fuck your weird ass fans and fuck you tower banks i bet you won't sit down with me face to face and talk about it also fuck my family too i roll emojis y'all don't ever defend me i got more money in helping more people than all than all or many of the top models but that's the update y'all give damn shame and she goes just like damn because it's been over 20 years all these things you still like whatever yeah i'm talking about it but there's no love lost no for a lot of these girls and tyra and i don't think that like i don't know what tyra thought was going to come from her being in this documentary if she thought that she did a good job explaining herself or you know clearing her name or whatever it was but to me it did quite the opposite i think it did the opposite too i think it actually probably hurt her more than helped her because there's also so many more moments and it felt like everybody else was really open about what was going on as far as like um miss jay and jim and nigel like all talking about their experiences and jay talking about his relationship with tyra and that kind of exploding and him wanting to leave the show and the tension and all that there and they really they didn't speak she emailed i'm so disappointed was the only thing she he heard back from her and then when she was asked about it she was like oh i don't really want to talk about like i should call him it's like that's not you're filming a documentary that's not the answer that actually makes you look worse i think and i don't know if she called him but i i would my guess would be no and then you know jay talking about how she wouldn't talk to him off camera once he said he was gonna leave and would only like play on camera i don't know it all got crazy Miss J had a stroke and so sad. I don't think I realized that. Yeah. Just such an icon was in a coma for weeks. Yeah. Five weeks. I think they said, and the, you also, you know, did Ty reach out? No, no. They clearly haven't had any of these conversations, but when you see the three of them all together, there's clearly a lot of love still there within the three of them. not so much Tyra. Yeah. And I think it was telling too, when they were talking about how, when they were on the street and they were recognized and like, you're like, Oh, that's Tyra. Cause those are the, you know, they're freaking about the freaking out about the J's and being like, Oh, that didn't sit right with Tyra. Like, yeah, no shit. Yeah. I could tell. And also it's, it's, it's not that what goes around comes around, but it's like, Hey, The show went on for way too long. As you all see, it was like cycle, whatever. And you like okay they were really trying anything at that point And once they got rid of that original group it like oh Tyra was so heartbroken and so sad you think it was the hardest thing ever she really didn say anything to them directly never really had any conversations with them and then like I said what goes around comes around years later it's like they won't now they want to fire Tyra so it's like I don't know it it so much of it really reflected poorly on how she handled relationships with the girls on the show and with those three as well all around yeah just all around and I but you know some of the girls seems like you know some of them certainly don't fully regret doing the show or any of those things like it felt like some of the girls like hey yeah I would I would do something like this again different like different but I would do something like this again yeah so I think a lot of it came with disappointment yeah how like Ebony talking about how yeah she was just just disappointed with the way that Tyra treated her and the way she called her and certain words that she used with her because she thought that she would understand and she felt like the flip the script was kind of flipped on her because she was expecting something else from tyra yeah so people who thought tyra was going to be like a mentor to her to them yeah just actually turns out she just wanted to you know yeah she was just trying to make good tv and made people feel shitty about themselves yep and the same thing even with with kenya when she was first of all she had to deal with a lot because the fact that they were like we really had to retouch your photos because you know you're eating so much just like so ridiculous and then doing that shoot with those guys and one of them being kind of creepy and touching her too much and making her uncomfortable. And instead of supporting her in that moment, there was no support and no understanding, which is crazy. Instead of telling the guy to stop, they told Kenya that you should tell him to stop and say it as a joke and say it lightly and it's like no somebody from the set should step in and tell this guy to stop and I feel like maybe Tyra took out a lot of what maybe happened to her in the industry out on these women and was kind of like well I dealt with this so you need to deal with it instead of completely changing and flipping and changing the mold of like they kept saying they just kept using this one line from jay manuel that they you know we wanted to change the industry when we did the show they just kept repeating that line and i'm like but then you just treated all these women the same because then they would go well then we were just treating them like how they did in the industry and it's like do you want to change the industry or you want to treat them like the industry then you got janice dickinson you want to change the industry or you want to get them ready for the industry and and then you have janice dickinson who oh my god like this shit that it's so damaging it really is and it's damaging for first of all all the women yeah on the show that experienced this and even some of them still spoke about how much those comments still stick with them they still can't see themselves in a positive light and they pick apart their bodies but for everybody watching as well who you know is like picking apart themselves because of this shit yeah and and that's another person too that you think someone else who's been who was in the industry for a really long time and i'm sure i got torn to pieces time and time again and they're so jaded and almost like brainwashed in a way that they then push all of that onto these younger girls they you're just and they're like well this is what people are going to say it's just i'm just being honest because i know how the industry works when she said that janice was like she needs to lose 100 pounds and and tyra was like then she'd be 30 pounds and janice goes yeah that'd be better i'm like oh yeah my god like it is and they knew that they also knew that saying those things it was it was controversial it's provocative it was like people the shock value was there so i think it was like oh wow oh my god did you hear what she said on that episode like that's so many people were having those conversations so they definitely just got like they got lost in the reality tv madness of all that and then they started showing you know how much it changed now like i mean look at kendall denner yeah like the hadiths like a lot of like reality tv yeah family become supermodels but there was a stigma about coming from a reality show and being from top model and being you know kind of just thrown away to the side you're not really signed with the agency yeah you think your life's gonna change and then you know you're kind of just pushed to the side but the whole thing was wild and I had to say like I was watching it being like this is I can't believe that like I don't I don't like watching Tyra made me uncomfortable I have to say like I I just felt like she was putting on just a fake thing the whole time and not even fake in a way that she was apologizing because she really wasn't like she was you know it was still very much trying to be like i'm proud of like the crazy show that we built yeah there were some bumps in the road yeah but all in all you know we were just trying to make good tv like felt like that's really all we were getting yeah just kind of crazy because they were not exactly little bumps no and you can acknowledge the mistakes that you made like yeah oh man yeah just like no ownership really it's just a lot of deflecting a lot of blaming other people oh that was production oh i didn't have anything to do with that oh this was that you know and you're like well you were the face of the show so yeah oh god yeah that was something yeah i'm i i want to see if she comes out and says anything has she said anything about it no i don't think so i don't know what she would say well she's living in australia now with her with her ice cream shop so yeah does she even really care right she might not even care she has a post it's her last post is from february 7th on instagram and then i was sad to hear shandy and her her boyfriend couldn't make it work they tried to she would get yelled out on the street it's just awful so sad yeah to have to relive that and see that i couldn't i just couldn't believe when they fucking played it again the tarot bang show this insanity you know what and it's so crazy and not just america's accent model but just like television and talk shows in general yeah used to be so insane and out of line and it just was considered quote unquote normal because it's like what everyone did right that's like ken was referencing the halftime janet jackson and was like and after that they're the regulators but it's a little more strict even like the even like journalists interview it like the way that they would ask people questions was so invasive totally and And thank God it has changed, you know, because it was insane. Just so crazy. Moving on. Exciting announcement. Hannah Montana 20th anniversary special coming to Disney Plus. And it's hosted by Alex Cooper. And I just have to say, I just don't get where Alex Cooper comes into this. I am very excited for a Hannah Montana special. 20th anniversary. I just am interested to see what happens here. because I am confused where Alex Cooper comes into play for Hannah Montana 20th anniversary special. Well, she's interviewing her. Oh, so it's like a sit-down interview. It's a sit-down, yeah. Like mediating. Like a mediator. Okay. Yes. Because I was like, why aren't we just having other people from Hannah Montana do this? That wouldn't be better, I think, anyway. Yeah, it just seems a little confusing to me. It really probably could have been hosted by Miley and having other conversations, But this is it's so the special will be filmed in front of a live studio audience and will feature an exclusive in-depth interview with Miley hosted by Alex Cooper. The conversation will offer an intimate look at the creation of one of pop culture's most iconic characters in the lasting impact. The show and character I've had on fans around the world with heartfelt nostalgia and fresh perspective. Cyrus will revisit the moments, music and memories that define an era. viewers will be treated to never before seen archival footage while some of the most memorable sets from hannah montana are brought back to life including the stewart family living room and the legendary hannah montana closet there will also be some familiar notes there's asterisks notes that find their way back into the spotlight which makes me think she sings i would hope right like yeah there's some familiar notes notes yeah maybe she also sings a couple songs it really does kind of sound like a lot of what Alex does already you know like to me because I feel like her Call Her Daddy episodes have gotten really really like the there's a really high production value on a lot of them now like she's traveling to these people they're not only doing full interviews but they're kind of like vlogging or there's a performance or like like Zayn was just on there's a like there's all these there's a whole nother element to it that makes me think that they like they paired up to do this and then it's kind of that same similar product but will be on disney plus i was holding out hope because there were all these rumors about a potential one night show somewhere and that really excited me like a one night show that was like holy shit I would have put my kidney on the black market so I kind of got my hopes up a little too much about that there were a lot of rumors around local New York City social that perhaps it was going to be at MSG rumors were flying and I was like oh my god I will do anything to get in the door if that is what it is but I think this is going to be a lot of fun obviously we haven't heard Miley really talk so in depth about the show in a long time and getting to see more behind the scenes stuff. I hope maybe there's some other cast members involved. That's my thing. It's like, this will be great because we will learn a lot. And, you know, we'll get an interview and the whole thing. But for me, when I initially heard that, I'm like, okay, but what about some other cast members? What about Emily Osment? What about Jackson Earl? Like, what about other Mitchell Musso? Like, you know, other cast members that were involved in Hannah Montana sort of being included in this. And now, you know, Miley is Hannah Montana. So she is the main star and the main person pulling me into this. Yep. Of course. But I'm interested to see and I'm excited no matter what, because anything I'm going to do with Hannah Montana excites me. But I, you know, maybe they still will announce a concert. I don't know. I'm holding out hope that they'll announce this and go. And by the way, we're doing a one night only. That's definitely true. This may not be the only Hannah thing that Miley does this year, but it is going to be out March 24th on Disney+. I'm assuming they already filmed it. would be my guess but i guess maybe they could not have but i feel like they did yeah i couldn't make a guess honestly yeah i don't i i'm totally i'm not exactly sure my thing is just like filming this in front of a live audience i know i'm sure they take everyone's phone and all those things but the way i would be telling everybody i know that you were there that i was there yeah spread like wildfire that they filmed it so maybe they haven't yet maybe they haven't because it's got to get up somewhere that someone was there yeah yeah you know nobody has said anywhere that they were at a it'd be on tiktok or something right it's like oh i got this invite to this maybe yeah something outside like the studio or wherever i i'm they're taking my phone now right right i'm going in yeah you're going in so maybe it hasn't happened yet but it's coming out um March 24th like I said and Miley sounds pumped to talk about she said Montana will always be a part of who I am what started as a tv show became a shared experience that shaped my life and the lives of fans of so many I'll always be thankful for that connection the fact that it still means so much to people all these years later is something I'm very proud of this anniversary is my way of celebrating and thanking the fans who stood by me for 20 years Miley you have no idea how much Hannah Montana means to us yeah you really just have no idea no idea so thank you yeah so it's gonna be great and i'm hoping like there's a few songs to end the to end the show you know that would be just the bonus nobody's perfect yeah and we could just hear her sing a little bit yeah we'll be just like a little best of both worlds i bet all the money in the world that she sings there's no way that they do this right there's no way she doesn't like there's just no way she puts the wig on she has to put the wig on she's got to put the wig on she has to put the wig on wow wow putting the wig back on that would be sick oh i bet another trailer comes out where she's putting the wig on oh wow i'm very excited i'm speechless yeah i'm very excited that's rendered me speechless we have a lot to look forward to yeah i can't wait to can't wait to see it and hope that that wig still fits perfectly yes and we know it will yes it's hers yep all right that wraps up the topics We're about to get into Pop Corner, but first I want to remind you how good Truly Hard Seltzer is. 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There is no way I am the only one who notices that the faithfuls who come into breakfast last are always the faithfuls that the traitors are debating whether or not they should kill. How do the faithfuls not track this every morning at breakfast? And then I feel like it would be so easy to figure out who the traitors are. It's such a big clue that nobody ever talks about. And I feel like none of the faithfuls or the traitors ever talk about it. And nobody watches this show talk about it either. It drives me crazy. So anyways, I guess my question is, is this something that you girls have talked about or thought about, and why do you think it is? Is it more talked about? All right. Thanks, girls. I think I kind of missed what she said. She's saying that the faithfuls are always at breakfast early, like before the— Yeah, but the last people to walk through the door are the people that the traitors were contemplating murdering. Right. Oh, I get what you're saying. and then it walks in and it's like it's it's like the three or two people that they were talking about murdering last night but they didn't and then the one right right right right i did see somewhere and i do not know how true this is is that they film it multiple different ways and that it might be just for editing purposes for tv yeah right that we are seeing that it's just suspense build for us to be like how would they film it different ways when everyone's in the room and they like all like react to like them walking in like redoing it i think that That would just be fully fake then. I don't know. Yeah, that's why. That seems like bullshit. Yeah, that's why I have no idea if that's true either. But. I would hope not that way. Yeah, I don't know if it's like, oh, we'll do entering breakfast again. Like from the top, everybody. Right. Because they talk, like that's such a big talking point of like you reacted this way. You dropped your fork when he walked in. Like if it was fake, that seems like I'd just be. No, I agree. And I feel like maybe even just with like the last few people is where they would want to try and switch it up different ways. But you can't like go back through the door once you're seen, you know. So I feel as. Yeah, I know. I don't know. I guess it makes a lot of sense to think about it that way. It's like, oh, but then not every time. Yeah, they mix them together with like random people. Not every time. It's like every person who was being talked about. It's always, there's always a couple for sure. And it's not like. Maybe there's someone else mixed in that wasn't on the chopping block. And it's not like anyone would know who they were talking about. Yeah. Or I guess people are up for murder. And it's more of like, if you catch on to that thing, then like you could just guess. Right. And I guess if you also thought like, wow, Stevens. But they don't, they mix it up day to day. So it's not like, oh, Stevens been on the chopping block for a few days. he's been the last one in every single breakfast yeah to like add it up that way it's like it they mix them in but i get what you're saying to pay attention a little bit yeah yeah maybe maybe you're just really having to like write that down and yeah i'm wondering if it's an editing thing though i don't know it could be just to build suspense for the viewer to be like who did they murder yeah but not in order but i just don't know how they film it out of order because like you see the room react well they're saying they're filming it in order it's in editing that they mix it up no I know what you're saying I'm just like I don't know how they would do that I don't know I don't know either I don't know either that's why I'm asking yeah yeah yeah I guess I don't know I feel like maybe sometimes when it's like three people coming through the door at the end and they're like oh like maybe they're not actually the last people through the door yeah I don't know sometimes I don't know Traders is one of those shows where I feel like I almost don't want to know what goes on production-wise because I feel like a lot of it is probably kind of curated. Well, you know they have to redo some stuff. It's TV. Yeah. The shots of them writing in their books at night in their bed obviously are fake posing. And they have to film them pretending to go to sleep and going up the stairs to be like, I'm going to bed because they don't sleep in the castle. Yeah, that's fine. But if it's actually like, I feel like that would be affecting gameplay. They're not fucking with the game. they're not affecting gameplay no no not gameplay no no but like sometimes if somebody messes up something they're saying they got to read they got to redo it yeah for sure so yeah but that is interesting though we gotta pay attention a little bit more to that is true i feel like i feel like they everyone is thinking about that though like we're i bet you mark's notes he was like this person came into breakfast last all these things you know it would have been a good question to ask him yeah fuck if only we had this question earlier yeah all right moving on hey ria fran noah and olive this is rory from wilmington north carolina um i wanted to know if you guys have seen anything about chris harrison's new spinoff show not spinoff but like new reality dating show um i've seen it all over my instagram and the picture for it like the announcement of it looks like AI gone wrong. Like it just doesn't look real. It's an old, old picture of Chris Harrison. I just don't know if this is real. And like, if it is real, why does the advertisement look like that? And then if you do think it's real, like, are you behind this? Do you think Chris Harrison can make a comeback? Like, I just need to know your thoughts. And if anybody else has seen this, because I've seen it, everywhere. Thanks. Love you guys. Bye. Love you too. I have not seen this. It is real. Oh, you haven't? No. Okay, so I mean, this is on Chris Harrison's own Instagram and he's working with a you know, a reality TV producer is also tagged in in the post. So it's it is a poorly curated graphic, but I don't really think that means anything like I think it's just a bad graphic but they are now casting this is dating for a traditional marriage Chris Harrison is back hosting a brand new dating series a prominent streaming service is casting single men and women 21 plus who want a traditional marriage-minded partnership built on commitment and shared values we're looking for singles who believe in clear roles long-term commitment and building a life together and who are dating with real intention apply now and then it's chris harrison's caption says it's time to help people find love again now casting so i guess they're bringing this back um to be honest i don't really have any interest in this no uh happy for like happy for chris i guess but at the same time this isn't this isn't greg this isn't bringing me in I don't really like some of the wordage they're using here I don't like that they're like let's get back to it let's get the traditional roles in marriage some of the verbiage I'm like I don't really know clear roles it's like oh so what you get in the kitchen yeah it's like all women who just want to find the man to take care of them and provide like is that the show we're getting here i don't know i'm not i'm not fully into that i don't really know what kind of different vibe this is going to be but um i guess he's back on so yeah i i feel like it's going to be i don't know like a miss like you know what i mean like it just seems like the time had come right and it was and look the audience like people were i'm sure there's people out here that will want to watch this you know but speaking of uh bad promos though the comments are pretty funny the uh the taylor frankie paul bachelor promo who edited that you thought it was bad there was something off about the editing of her like walk through it like had the millennial pause at the beginning oh that yeah like her you know what i'm saying like it's like yeah i feel like they did her dirty in front of a bat it's just in front of a like green screen like a it's like a weird green screen i think i just felt like they they did her dirty with that promo yeah i think it's just like unfortunately a weird green screen but other than that i don't think it's it is because it's like it's very high def on her but then there's moving video yeah and then she's like walking but it looks awkward yeah but i am excited for her season but i yeah i uh same was confused by that i won't be uh oh i don't know what just sound just playing my phone i will not be i don't know if i'll be tuning into the chris harrison no i don't think so dating show for the for clear roles in traditional marriage yeah i don't i don't think so on that all right moving on hi guys this is sam from illinois i just recorded another one and i sounded like an absolute moron so just ignore that but my hot take is that i think more books should be turned into tv shows rather than movies. I think it allows for so much more time to tell the full story, to get the background, build tension between the characters. Like the housemate specifically should be a series where book one is season one and then book two is season two and so on. And then maybe Sydney Sweeney would be a better actor because I think she's a better TV actor than she is a movie actor. If you look at her track record. So yeah, I just think more books should be adapted into TV shows and not movies. Let me know what you guys think. Bye. I like that a lot. I agree with it. I totally agree. I think that it allows more space to go in depth. They can even add, you have more than enough in the book and then add shit. You know what I mean? You got N plus more. I totally agree. I think that any book can be made into a TV show. And I think when it gets made into a movie, you got to cut shit out. Look at Game of Thrones. Imagine if they tried to squeeze all this into one movie instead of multiple shows. No, it would never work. It would never work. and I like that. I like that idea and I think you're right. Yeah, I agree but then I also think that there are plenty of times where it does work and you still get a great product as a movie because you need some of them to become movies. I think of Harry Potter, obviously you lose a lot in the movies but the movies are still fantastic. so there's still a lot of joy that the movies can bring but yes there is always going to be some stuff missing that's in a book and now now they're making a tv show they're going to have more stuff that's going to be from from the books but some of these big movies like um the new ryan gosling movie that's coming out project hail mary is is a book yeah and sometimes it's like yeah make that into a big blockbuster movie when there's certain things but I think like the mystery there's certain genres I think like that mystery thriller romance world works really well as TV shows because there's more to work with there's more details you get so much more to put the puzzle pieces together than when they take it and make it a movie and then a lot of that stuff gets lost. Totally. Even going back to people we meet on vacation, the way that I didn't read the book, but the way that it was described to me, that you could have had multiple episodes that were each summer. Yeah, totally. It could have been broken up like that. So I do think it does depend on the genre but I do like what you saying and I think that some of these books could look more towards a tv show totally i think of seven husbands all the time too when it like tv show movie tv show movie seven husbands could be a tv show seven husbands to me would be such a good tv show and for a while it was like oh it's gonna be a movie and it's like there's so much information in seven husbands i know i feel like a tv show would just be so much better a movie might be doing it a disservice especially when it's broken up in certain chapters or characters that you're like it so clearly can be a limited series. Right. And yes, for sure. Ugh. Now you got me all worked up wanting these TV shows. I know. I know. 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And it's not even about shipping people outside of shows. It's just so hard to believe the acting in scripted shows when you know they don't like each other and enjoy reality TV when you don't like when they don't like each other. On the flip side, cast like friends or modern family that get along so well just give you this warm and cozy feeling when you watch them. Other people might not have this issue, but we do. So we're just curious how you feel on this topic. Love you. Love you too. Now, interesting. It is interesting because I feel like we know too much now, right? We know so much behind the scenes. Yeah. Whereas like back in the day like thinking about sopranos when they talk about sopranos now it's like edie falco's like yeah i it was a working relationship with yeah james gandolfini like we were not you know yeah and hearing that now you're like oh really but even i'm with friends i don't think like they were all like they were all they're all very good but excuse me they were best friends watch watch your mouth they ate lunch together every day i'm sure that they had their ups and downs yes like between and that's natural like sometimes you exactly like sometimes you're going to gravitate more towards this person this year and the other with an ensemble cast with an ensemble cast it's just you are right ria that we just know too much and see too much where it's like especially with social media it's too much i think about our banks it's like oh so rudy and follow this person is everything and then you're just like it does take you out of it i totally understand that well and you also can't expect everyone to be best friends like you are it is a taking a bunch of strange they are acting you are and and trust me i'm with you like you know it does suck when you hear that actor you're like really you're not like best friends behind the scenes but at the same time you can't expect that a bunch of strangers are just going to be best friends and all and all get along and like all have the same interests and yeah you know everyone is closer to other people you know what i mean like you're not best friends with every person you meet and wasn't it like i think of um like wasn't it rachel mcadams and ryan gosling who like didn't really get along at first when they obviously they they dated after but but filming the notebook they really didn't like each other at first they hated each other and then they had a steamy romance yeah but like even thinking about gossip girl like all the stories about like blake lively and lea meester weren't really friends or best friends it's like you would hope that you get along with your cast mates and have that friend relationship at the same time like yeah you're different people with with different interests and different personalities and you might just not get along think about the one tree hill say you know it's i think they were certainly and there are times and times again now there's so many different reasons why they they had issues and the girls now have really been able to come together and and have those relationships and kind of talk about how the creator of the show was involved in trying to kind of almost keep them apart but like chad muckamurray was married to sophia bush and then not married to soviet like there's definitely some things where things were getting messy and drama and all that and if that was happening now on some of these shows my god you'd be locked into every dirty dirty detail and yeah maybe it would change your opinion on the show i also think it depends on the show like yes a cast like modern family all being so close is is amazing and it's just like an added benefit because you're like the show is a warm hug anyway so you're like oh it's so nice that they all loved each other i don't know if like some of them didn't like each other if i'd look at modern family differently I don't know. It would suck if you found out like Jay and Sofia Vergara like ended up fucking hating each other. Yeah, yeah. No, it's almost like expecting you to be best friends with all your coworkers. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? At the end of the day, like they see it as work. So it's like you're not best friends with every person who works here. Yeah. You know, like you are closer with other people than others. Yeah. But, you know, listen, if I was on a TV set, I'd want us to feel like one big happy family. Yeah. Of course. But I feel like you're just going to get that one. you're going to get one or two people in the group that are just an asshole or whatever it is. It is an interesting phenomenon, though, to think about that, where it's like fans now do get so much more invested when the cast all like each other. And I think it's... Stranger things. Yeah. They all like each other. Exactly. It's just... It's definitely an added bonus. It is. And when they're doing press and it seems like they're all having fun, it's great promo for the shows or the movies or whatever, and it gets you more invested and you get more into it and you're like, oh, well, they all love each other. and do all these things. So it is interesting when you do see the ones that you're like, oh, you know, those were two people that were just working together. And it is interesting that we all kind of crave knowing that they all get along. What did I miss with Gavin and Summer I Turned Pretty? Is that a thing? Yeah, there was always some rumors that he wasn't really as close with the rest of them. and like for a plethora of other reasons and like Chris Briney and Conrad like Conrad and Steven are like besties in real life and I don't know. I think maybe there was stuff with Gavin's girl. Like it was like, oh, Gavin got married and it was just like all these other, you know, like Gavin was whisked away and I think, I don't know, maybe some of like Gavin's own personal. beliefs and choices was kind of different than some of the other cast members. People were looking into that deep when they were doing press together. Which happens with all shows like Tell Me Lies doing press together now. They're like, oh, this person isn't like that person. I'm like, I'm not seeing that. They all seem like they're pretty similar. They seem like they all pretty much get along. They've all found their significant others from the show. They're all dating each other. With that show, I think that would be the last show that I'd have a problem with it because they all hate each other in the show anyway. Actually, it adds to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. It is interesting though. It is a big draw, but I think we just like, people do love to hear when the cast gets along. Right. 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We are here with a very special guest. We are joined by professional ballroom dancer, choreographer, musician, three-time mirrorball champ, and now faithful in this season of The Traitors, Mark Ballas. Thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. A tried and true faithful. We're so excited that you're here because when we saw you out in L.A., we knew you were going to be on Traitors. We were so excited. We got to get him into the studio in New York so we can talk about it. And we're just now approaching the end of the season here. We only have a couple episodes left and, of course, the reunion. But how is it watching it all back for you? Is it kind of frustrating? Because, of course, they have to condense it so much. So you're like, I'm assuming there's so much more gameplay and things that are happening that we just all don't see. I mean, yeah. I mean, you're in the castle for 10 hours a day. Yeah. And the episodes are an hour, hour, hour and a half, maybe some of them. So I say as a fan, loving it. As a contestant, I'm like, oh, there's so much missing. Because there's a lot of reasons to why we get to where we get. There's a lot of reasons why certain things fly under the radar, certain things don't. And I was just telling someone earlier, like, this is a game of paranoia. And like you really, you don't know your ass from your elbow in there. Like it's so different watching it at home. Like I always say, because I have some friends who are like, how are you not seeing this? I'm like, it's really easy when you know who the traitors are in episode one at home. Like that's why so many people struggle to guess who the secret traitor was, you know, because when you, when that information is pulled from you and there's so many people like, yeah, it's, you know, discombobulated. We all have the map. We all can see. And it's like, how are they not putting the pieces together? That's why it's fun though. Right. I would be curious if they did a season where the audience didn't know either. See, that would drive me insane. But wouldn't that be so fun? It would be fun because we would be a part of it. And that's sort of what they did with the secret traitor. And even, I was like, I need to know immediately. And I know that a big part of the thing is seeing the traitors talk in the turret and all that. But I'm wondering if for the first few episodes it was like the audience doesn't know either. And then you get that later. You know what I mean? Did you want to be a faithful or a traitor? So when you go through an extensive kind of, you know, grilling by Alan, he kind of asks you all the questions. And at the time, you know, I was up for either. I think I, in hindsight, I probably should have pushed a little harder to be a traitor. I was kind of like, I was really into Dylan Efron's game. Like, I just kind of, I was like, oh, that's how I would do it. And me and him then became friends on dancing. So, yeah, I don't think I pushed. But now in hindsight, like, we're almost at the semifinal and I've not had one vote at the roundtable. So I know how to not get votes. Like, my whole game was keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Like, if you thought someone was a traitor, like, you know, stay in their good graces. You know what I mean? Or do your best. Look, there's times you're wrong. Of course, that's the whole game. But yeah, you don't want to like, as soon as you get a sniff, be like, it's them, it's them, it's them, because it's over for you. Yeah. And we've seen that happen time and time again. And you're right. Your name has not been brought up once. No, not once. Like everyone, this season especially, and you've watched every season, so you know. Yes. I feel like people are just like really blindly trusting. No, they're faithful. Like as if they know it for 100% fact. Well, I mean, like, you know, it depends. What scenario are you talking about? Like, I feel like they know you're a faithful, right? Right. But it's like, how? Yeah. That's great for me. It's great for you, but it's like, how are they so sure? It's just hard to trust anybody. And then when it comes to Rob, no. Like, I feel like was there suspicion about him that's just not being shown? I mean, I think, look, everyone gets talked about. everyone has their day in the sun everyone you know has those moments um there's a lot more to like rob's game i think that um has kind of flown by the waist that people aren't really appreciating and as someone who's watched this for a long time like if you do you watch the traders podcast yeah so do you watch boston rob break it down right like boston rob knows what he's talking about right and he is very um you know he admires rob's game and what he's doing and there's there's lots of things like I used this scenario the other day and then it was funny he went on the show and said like I'm like a cat I used that I was like Rob's like a cat he reminds me of like you know who else is like this? Derek Hough. Derek's the type of guy that you could go to a concert with him and you'd go by the backstage area and they'd just let him in then you'd try and you'd get your ass kicked by a screw. Right? Rob has that same quality you know so he like with the Lisa. That's a perfect description. Yeah. With the Lisa catch and then the Candace catch. We had, there was some stuff you didn't see where Johnny was protecting Lisa, not on purpose, because obviously he's a faithful, right? Yeah. But when we played for the dagger, right, I did that mission with Johnny. Like me and Johnny ran up the hill together. We got the gold. We love Johnny down, by the way. We're really good friends and Tara. But I said to him, I was like, yo, we got to vote Lisa tonight. Are you willing to do it? He's like, yeah, yeah. I was like, all right, great. We play for the dagger. We get back to the castle. And the whole castle has now moved to Natalie. And I'm like, no, no, no. So there was a moment where I had a conversation with John. I was like, bro, we got to get back for Lisa, right? So that put him in trouble because we were going for Lisa that night. And because it looked like he was moving the vote to Natalie, but it was through Candace, right? so that got him in trouble and then we had Natalie at the banquet over the antidote that was very suspicious as well and then the next day Candace was pushing Johnny for a shield at the art museum which was also weird so the way it all landed Rob was able to just right cat like and he didn't react at all when he got grilled at the table people were like oh that was like traitor on traitor in the room, in my opinion, from watching these shows, it wasn't. Boston Rob and Bob the Drag Queen, that's traitor on traitor. Danielle and Carolyn, that was traitor on traitor, right? I don't know if you've watched the British ones. Paul and Harry, that was like somewhat traitor on traitor, but again Harry sat, he sat deep in the cut. He didn't get emotional and he didn't react. Rob did the same thing, so it just kind of, at the time, you were just like... It doesn't feel like Rob has really led the charge on the other traders. It was just like once those names came up, it was like, well, it's easy to jump on it, which is good. I think, okay, so we have so many questions. But one of the biggest things watching for us that we're like, oh, my God, this feels obvious, but maybe it isn't. Candace having the throwaway vote to Rob. Yes. And then immediately next round table going so hard for him. Yes. And then Candace is a traitor. Did that cause any of you to be like, we need to look at Rob? So I'm going to speak about this from my perspective because, again, there's a saying like everyone remembers it how they need to. Yeah. Right. And everyone will have their own perception of how that went down. and if this was survivor rule number one Rob should have been voted out next to see right but we'd had so many casualties you know like at the time and we'd lost players that just weren't traders like so honestly like it just kind of um it just it didn't feel like trader on trader like if looking back on it sure like we should have um that should have been the next vote but imagine if that was just the next vote and candace's whole game was like consistency like we have to and she was very eloquent very smart played a great game and day one it was a throwaway vote and day two it was this is the vote was like well yesterday you said it was a throwaway vote so which one is it you know so it kind of felt at the time because no one was really heavily looking at rob like oh you're just trying to get one of our good faithfuls out on the way out right you know gotcha And because he didn't overly react, he was just like, you know, that's just not true. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that was kind of, I wish, I love Candice, she's great. I wish she'd have gone harder at him and forced him to, you know. And it's on us. It's our bad by not, you know, even though this is traitor, survivor rules. Like if someone has an advantage in the game or if someone something like that happens, you have to go for them next. We just didn't do it in the moment. And the argument of like him fumbling with his fork in the morning, you know, it didn't really play. I dropped forks. Yeah. And also like it would make. Oh, he was upset that Colton went home and that sort of thing. So it's like kind of plays into that. Now, how did you feel, you know, this past episode that we saw Natalie at the table say to Rob, like, say, say you have. I hated that. I hated that. I hated it. And I felt like, you know, Natalie, who's such a great Survivor player. Love her. She's one of my favorite. Like, when she walked in, because I, you know, I watch Survivor so much. When they walked in, I was like, oh, we got Rob C, Jam Jam, Natalie, Anderson. I didn't tell them that. Right. You know, I played because I was like, oh, yeah, Survivor, cool, you know. But I was very excited to play with her because I loved her season of Blood vs. Water. But it was weird because it felt like any time she was maybe under a little pressure, she just crumbled quickly. Well, it happened at the banquet. Yeah. And then outing Rob for the dagger. Yeah. So that was like. And if anybody was on her, like all of a sudden her vote, like she lost this strategic vote. It'd be like, well, I'm just going to vote for the person who thinks it's me. That's Survivor, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. It shows Survivor mentality of like, I'll do whatever it takes to survive. She's a great gamer, smart thinker. But yeah, that was like, because I was in the dagger pact too. Yeah. Right. So I was like. The dagger six. The dagger six. But I was like. Why do this? Why? In front of everyone. Why? Why? Like, why not, like, have a discussion about it, you know? So and then we lost Stephen. Yeah. In the crossfire. Stephen was in my alliance. I was never voting for Stephen. Like, so what happened was there was a push for Stephen. Right. Well, originally we were going for Johnny. And, like, there was so much missing from that table. It was epic. Because the round table is an hour. Yeah. And each person gets to speak. Everybody speaks. Okay. That's what I thought. It just gets cut down. They're not forced to speak. But like when people are like, why aren't these people talking? Everybody speaks at the round table. Maybe there's one or two where people don't because when in the early when there's 28 players and however many, 24 players and there's Michael Rapaport and stuff like, you know, you don't get to speak. You know, I'm going to let them do that. Yeah. Like, stay out the way. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so we were going for Johnny because of the Lisa pulling off the shield thing. and then Johnny actually gave himself this cute nickname in the castle. He'd call himself Leaky Boat because like if he hit the info would just be like going around. So, you know, we would call him that. So, but I believed him. So then for me, now that the numbers are down, the village voting mentality, I didn't want to do that. I said, I believe Johnny. I want to prove to the remaining players that if I believe you at the table, I'm not going to vote for you because everybody's voting for you. Stephen was in my alliance. I had loyalty to Stephen. I'd push my chips in on Steven. I'm not going to vote for Steven either because I just don't think he's a traitor. I threw my vote at Tara because I knew she'd forgive me. She's the only one at the table that I could go outside and be like, Tara, I'm sorry. Like, I didn't want to vote for your boy, Johnny, because I believed him. I can't vote for Steven either. So, like, I voted for Tara. It was kind of my throwaway vote, you know, because I didn't think Tara was really either. I know Kristen had to, and we talked about it. Right. And then that whole pop up with the Tara, Tara, Tara, Tara, Tara. Like I just didn't see it, you know. But when Johnny was in hot water, we had to look at, hey, if Johnny's a traitor, like who's to say that he won't recruit his best friend that we just found out is his best friend. You want to talk about that, right? It was just an unbelievable conversation. It was so funny because you sort of stepped in and you were like, listen, you know, I have had so many partners. and people that I've worked with, and if they were here, I don't know if I would trust them 100%. And they were basically like, no, shut up, we're best friends. And I also want to articulate that I wasn't talking about Dancing with the Stars. Some people are like, how can you compare the Olympics to Dancing with the Stars? I wasn't doing that, first and foremost. I was comparing the art and the craft and the discipline of dancing, which has, after lots of research, has shown that it's equivalent to a sport, right? And I've had professional partners throughout my life and career. I use this example, right? Imagine me in the castle. Now I will use Dancing with Stars as an example. Imagine me in the castle with any other pro on the show. Then imagine me in there with Derek. There's a difference. Did I know they knew each other? Yes. Did I know that they are both ice skaters? Of course. Do I watch ice skating? Maybe once every four years. Do you know what I mean? But I don't, I don't like, I don't like, you know, have my ice skating knowledge like in my head in the Trader's Castle, you know. Of course I knew they knew each other. I didn't know it was like me and Derek. I didn't know it was ride or die. Like it was, I didn't know it was like, hey, get the shovel type relationship. You know what I mean? And so, so when I said that, I said, I was referring to Derek at one point too. Like if Derek was in this game and I thought he was a traitor, I would vote for him. because you still can't trust we had this conversation yesterday where I was like I like still I wouldn't trust you 100% just because it's like the game like you go there to play a game and it would be so hard and that's why I said in the context of this game I would just be paranoid the entire time which is why I'm kind of shocked that they didn't do it just from like a show perspective of making the show and picking the traitors from the beginning to split those two up. Well, yeah, that's, it's interesting. It's also like, you know, the other thing you do when you've done reality, like dancing or housewives or whatever it is, you have to also like put your producer hat on a little bit. Like, who would I make a traitor if I was producing this show? You know what I mean? It's like, we knew the Olympics was coming. So there's all this stuff in your head. That's why we were joking too. We were like, well, maybe that is why they both need to be faithful because what if their friendship blew up right before the Olympics? coverage just starts. A hundred percent. And I think like. We need them in the broadcast. There is an argument to be made that Johnny was recruited or Tara could be recruited. I didn't think they like looking at it. It's like it's pretty clear that they didn't start. But like I was with Johnny the whole time until those two days where it was like pulling off. Like it was it was Lisa. We were going for Lisa. Like if she had done the amulet or not at that point we like it was we were getting close. You know what I mean? but yeah like I love Johnny and Tara so much but when they said that like we're best friends we ride or die we were in each other's weddings and it was like whoa whoa whoa whoa so now you guys have kept a secret this whole time that's something to look at right but I understand why they did it because this is going back to Survivor like if you have Boss and Rob and Amber on there you're breaking it up totally you're sending one of them huh Yeah, so they made the right. Exactly. And I'll tell you another thing. I was sat next to Tara the whole, pretty much the whole round table. Once I was next to Portia, then there was Robsie, and then you were in the same seat every time. I could see her vote. So what does that mean? If I can see Tara's vote, what does that mean? Right. That's what Johnny's vote. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is true. So this is a numbers game. Yeah. This is not a team game. And you came ready because you took all the notes and you've been sharing all of your notes. Yeah, I haven't shared all of them. I like how when you block them out, it's like some of it gets blurred. It's like a bully character. Yeah, exactly. But I mean, I assume when you go back at night, right, when you go back to your rooms, it's hard to think about anything else but the game. Oh, no. Yeah. So that's where all the note taking comes in. The show does so well at making it all immersive. of it's like a real experience like something you dream of as a kid to go do this like experience that feels real from start to finish my wall have you seen that a meme of of a charlie day where yeah yeah that was my that was my wall but like like and i journaled the whole time so when i watch the show i read my journal back And like so I like oh yeah that in there Oh this is missing Like, this is how we got here. So yeah, I'm a note taker. That's kind of my thing. How did you sleep at night? I mean, look, there were nights where you don't sleep well, but you're, you're, you're exhausted. Yeah. You're absolutely exhausted. You're the, like the challenges are like, they're not crazy. like people someone asked me what's harder dancing with the stars or the challenges on the trailers I was like dancing with the stars like it's not even a good competition you could kind of not say bullshit the challenge but like you're running up the hill the mountain one was hard that was hard because that's like cardio uphill and it's like not all back to back to back to back crazy cardio then you got the ones where you gotta there's always the one in the cabin with the freaky stuff that was tame this year did you see it last year when they dumped all the I was not looking forward to it then this past episode I honestly was sort of pissed when they showed the challenge for this one I'm like this is going to be so the box this is going to be so obvious the traders got to jump out they're going to be able to hear I was actually getting frustrated for the traders but you can't because then it would be way too once the creak of the openings sounded the same every single time I'm like they just put this in They had it that's after. Literally, I was giving me so much anxiety. I was like, I don't know. The creak sounds very serious. I'll leave that to interpretation, but you weren't hearing anything. Yeah, yeah. The creak was really that. It was like, yeah. For every single one. Let's talk about Eric's recruitment, which has been hilarious. And a smart move from Rob. Well, when I watched it back and I was the other choice, I was like, fuck. Truly, like, Marie and I said the same thing. where you're like, I kind of wish it was Mark to see what would have happened. You would have done so well. I think Rob knows that you're too good. Me and Rob have talked about this a whole lot. If I'm putting myself in Rob's position, I'm like, Mark is a really good player and really smart, and I think he could be a good trader. And in Rob's mind, I think it's like, I'd probably have to win it with Mark. Eric, you could kind of ditch pretty quickly, it seems. Well, you know, to Eric's defense, Eric is a smart guy. Yeah. He's a kind guy. He's a loving guy. And he's a feeler. Right. Eric was in my alliance from day one, from day one. You know, so I saw Derek posted a video the other day, like after the roundtable, after I like jumped ship on voting for Johnny, I was never going to vote Steven. I just lost someone in my alliance. Like, like losing Steven was a bummer. Yeah. And then I voted for Tara and then they showed me having a conversation with Eric and Rob and Derek posted a video and he was like, it's them. It's both of them. But you've got to understand, up to this point, I'd pushed my chips in on Eric. What people don't understand is you cannot go into this game and not trust anyone. You can at the beginning, but once the numbers start to dwindle, at some point you have to push your chips in on somebody. And I had pushed my chips in on Kristen and Eric. I was going to say, it seems like you're, from who you're saying you formed alliances with, really, you guys all stayed pretty intact all the way up until Steven leaving. Like our little group was pretty tight moving. It was me, Eric, Kristen, and Steven. I would say we were really close. We worked with everybody. Like I wasn't, I would work with Johnny. I would talk to Tara a lot. I was very close with Tara. She's a dear friend of mine now. Like I was working with Natalie. But like everyone has their like alliances they make. But if you don't establish 100% trust at some point and you're going through the game, well, I don't trust any of you. People will be like, well, why not? Yeah. And that will turn on your ass really quick. You know, so you have to you have to be open to pulling the chips back. But you need to pick your people. And, you know, just pray to God that if you make it to the end, that your that your inner compass. Right. Has pointed you in the right direction. Right. You know what I mean? like I mean we see part of the game yeah we see Natalie apologize to Rob and Eric and and you're just you can't help but laugh to yourself while you're watching you're just like she's apologizing to them and she has no idea they're like yeah it's all right did you did you listen to did you listen to Dorinda on the podcast talk about how she's just like she was like it was an honor to be murdered by Rob like I have butterflies every time I see him like me Maura Natalie like they we were like, she was like, we were never going to turn on Rob. And it's just, they were enamored by him. I got to say, I like, loved her. She's so sweet. But, you know, I, that's just not the case for like me and for Kristen and stuff. Like, I'm on Dancing with the Stars. I'm around really nice looking people all the time. That means nothing to me. You know, literally nothing. So like, I think it also like takes away from how well he's actually played up to this point. you know we're still like up to this point yeah yeah um he's smooth with it he is really good at being your friend and um he's a i would say like look i say two things can be true at the same time right you can play traders and be a chess player and strategist and like one thing rob and i bonded on was games we love to play games right that's like like actual board games or chess and stuff like that like he would play chess with everyone yeah it wasn't just like i know they showed him playing with ron they showed him playing with lisa he would play with everybody i played with him we would all play these games you know um so two things can be true like he can be a great strategist and a game player and yada yada yada but he's also like like a really cool guy like really cool guy two things can be true at the same time yeah that is that is nice to hear too because i feel like when you watch a show like this and he's playing so well and he is making all these smart moves on top of other people being you know in a trans with how he looks but he is really playing strategically then it turns to people being like he's just a really good liar and it's like okay you can be really good at playing a game and also be a good person like boston rob yeah i think boston rob is such a great game player but he's a great person he's a great person yeah it doesn't mean like the same thing yeah it totally doesn't have you seen dylan's show he's made with rob it's called everything is competition. So Derek and I just did an episode with them and we played like minute to win it games and like the Survivor fan of me was like, this is cool. Boston Robbie is a great person. He just knows strategy. He knows game. He knows moves. And there's a lot of new fans for the Traders this year. Same as there was a lot of new fans for Dancing with the Stars last year which is amazing. But the game is called the Traders. And it's also not the Traders versus the Faithfuls. The Traders are going to turn on each other. That's the whole point. Definition of Trader is someone who turns on a person, a country, an establishment. You know what I mean? Literally on anybody. On anybody. That's why it's such a fantastic show when they do this celebrity version of it because you get these reality stars like the Housewives and some of these other reality shows where their shows are solely based on their lives. They're used to being on reality TV where the drama comes from friends breaking up, loyalty, disloyalty. So when you get the Housewives, their brain is like, oh my god, well, I've just been, they just went behind my back. Like, this is when I'm supposed to be angry. So it's like, it just makes it such a crazy dynamic because then you have the housewives be like, well, where's the loyalty? And it's like, there's no loyalty in this game. There's not. There's no loyalty amongst these. That's an interesting point. Have you watched the British Traders? No. No. I heard this season was insane, too. Yes. I know, I know. I know. Season 2, UK. Binge watch that. Really? ASAP. I want you to DM me after watching. I will. And then season four. I'm excited for this because I feel like I got my husband into Traders this season, which I'm excited. I was so excited. You're going to die. He'll love that version. So start on season two. Start on season two. You can watch all of them. But if you want to get rocked, season two and then season four. I say this. You just brought up a really good point. When you put people in the house that are all from the entertainment industry, they come from an industry of entertainment. So there are people in the castle that know the camera's on and we're doing the thing and we're doing the bit and we're making good TV. The reality is the game is good TV. Let it do the work. Just play. Just play. It's good TV already. It is time to say goodbye to dry, scratchy toilet paper in 2025 and hello to clean with perfectly moist, actually cleansing good wipes. And that's why we're team wet January and February and March and every other month this year, because we're going to be the cleanest we ever been, which means we're going to feel the best we ever have. So cheers to wet January. 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But I feel like on this show, we're seeing a little bit less. She's a little bit more peeled back, you know, and we really only see her come into defense about Rob and really nothing else. I want to know what else was happening with Maura in the castle. If she was outspoken, was she in the conversations? What was going on there? I mean, Maura is outspoken. She is what we know. She has a larger-than-life personality. Also, you can tell by her outfit, she always looks fabulous. She's hilarious. So funny. I grew up in the UK, so I love the Irish. I have a lot of Irish friends. But yeah, she was definitely doing more than that. And she had opinions and she did a good job at like, she was very explosive if you came for her. Which on one hand is good because when there's more people, it would deter you from wanting that smoke. But it could also look like, why are you so defensive? You know what I mean? And she was just really funny. She had this slogan. and she would always be like, oh, I'm so good at this game. You know what I mean? Because we were just, you know, there's moments for everyone where you're just like, I'm sure the traders too, where you're just, how do you, you just don't know how to navigate this stuff. They do a really good, great job at making it feel real, you know? But yeah, she's great. I mean, I think there's just, there's a lot of conversations missing. I wouldn't say what you're seeing is that it's her whole game. Which happens on every show. Of course. Every show ever. I mean, even the ones we're huge fans of, the survivor and everything like they're just filming so much it has to get cut down even though i say i would watch four hours of this show like i would watch i would just watch surveillance footage yeah you know the entire castle it's funny like because alan to alan did an interview about the banquet and like i told you guys i'm like oh there's a bit halfway through like the banquet was great episode it was fantastic but like when you were there it was way more intense yeah like like like there were so many other theories like what did they what did they say that we shared. It was the turkey, which we knew it wasn't. Right, it was eating some food. Stephen served two people, cutting the meat. Poor Stephen, just being a gentleman. The cards on the table. You kept saying, you were like, guys, it's not the turkey. We're all eating the turkey. We'd called Tara Turkey Tara for days after that. And then the cards was interesting. But I said, dude, they should just make everyone's mics live, throw up the wide camera, and play the whole thing. Yeah. As a bonus footage. I would love that. Me too. It was like we were exhausted by the end of it. We were just like, oh, it went on. It went on and on and on. Especially if also like I'd imagine the argument over who gets the anecdote goes for way longer. You're going to fight for that for quite some time. Then they make it shorter. What was it like having Jam Jam yell out as he was kind of like being dragged out of the room? I loved it. I loved it. It's kind of the first time we've seen that happen where they're like, it's this person. Well, it raises a stake, right? I've seen conflicting opinions about this online. Like some people are like, I don't think that's fair that he got to yell out after he's been murdered. But he hadn't been murdered. He'd been cursed and he was being dragged outside to be murdered. That was the whole point of the executioner, you know, henchman, whatever. Now, imagine this. Imagine they'd have dragged him out and he was like, it's Steven. Right? then everyone would have been like looking at Steven or if he was like it's Mark guys it's Mark what people don't I don't think understand is that he had the right player he got it with Lisa but he had the wrong method now if he had called out a different player everyone would have probably been like because it's a witch hunt right you know this is what I was saying I was saying this because everyone was like he shouldn't be able to yell I'm like he didn't know for sure it was Lisa it's not like he it's not like he was another traitor who was told it's Lisa. He was just calling it out because that's what he thought. He could have called out any name. It just happened to be the one that was traitor. So it's like really doesn't matter that he was allowed to call out a name. He could have said anybody. That's what I love kind of about this new element, the like public execution style where everyone has to watch. It's like, yeah, you can say whatever you want. You might be wrong, but you also might be right. Like Eric. yeah he just oh my poor Eric the man with the magic ear the man with the magic ear and the eyes the writing goes I love him so much the best was the handwriting the best was like I know this handwriting it's Johnny what was the best if you look at Johnny's handwriting on his tablet it's gorgeous yeah yeah no look at me looking at that handwriting I was like that's definitely not Johnny's handwriting beautiful calligraphy like this is not Johnny's handwriting oh my god sweet Eric It looked like a toddler wrote it. I was like, that's Rob Sandler. No, it really was so funny. I mean, there's this, we're so obsessed with the show. There's so much to talk about. My last question I want to ask, though, and taking it back a little bit, is because the beginning of the season so much was around Michael Rapoport and he's a big personality in the whole thing. Did it get to a point, because it felt like this watching, where everyone was like, you know what, not even really sure if he's a faithful or a traitor, he's just gotta go. I mean, yeah, like the consensus was he's either a bad faithful or like some wickedly genius weird traitor-ish like, it was Rob C. who said he's either like the triple bluffing master traitor or like the worst faithful ever. So, you know, it was a lot. Yeah. At a certain point, you're like, you know what? Michael. Because, you know, it's like another thing that I love about the show is that people don't get it's not just the faithfuls working together. The faithfuls are trying to create relationships the best they can and gather the information they can. But the faithfuls kind of have to eat each other alive to get there. That's kind of the part of the game. You know what I mean? And so there's going to be casualties along the way. Like, look, there's also an element of luck. like I was up for murder the first night and I was in the nine and then when I watched it back I was on the shortlist and because Donna had shortlisted Rob I had a one in three chance of going home that's luck like Ian going home first that's just luck so there are all these different variants of why it works but yeah like at some point if it feels like it's not helping like you gotta cut it loose. Who were you most disappointed when early like left early? uh i mean i was pretty pretty fucking upset that steven went yeah we needed him he was he steven played well like they didn't show as much as that alliance you know but um i'm trying to think who else was kind of like a big bummer like seeing rob sego yeah that sucked yeah really really sucked as well because he would have been i think he would have been pretty on it yeah he would have It made sense they killed him because I feel like he was really good. It just depends, right? Have we seen survivor players go the distance as faithfuls? I don't think so. Not really because I feel like they normally end up being traitors. I think Rob C. had a target. Yeah. And I've seen on his interviews he felt like Jam Jam had kind of put one on him. So it's really hard once you have that target because there's unanswered questions, right? if you're almost too good too like when he was like I think there's a murder a murder tonight in plain sight everyone was like oh my god it's week two out does this guy know this already it's funny that in that moment they kind of showed it but they didn't like I was in that room when that happened and Candace had just poured a bowl of Skittles and was sharing them with me so then I got I went into full body sweat I was like I just got poisoned by fucking Skittles no no no literally I was like you could see it like my face goes like this and Candice like these are regular Skittles and I was just looking at her like I ran into the bar yeah and I told like my alliance at the time it was Eric I have these in my notes yeah I think I put it in the thing I was like Candice uh Kristen Eric Natalie I told I'm like if I don't come back tomorrow it's Candice and she's poisoning me with the fucking Skittles imagine going because of Skittles that was like when Eck and Sue drank the Chaz you're like oh you just can't but in the moment it's like you just don't remember you're like oh I'm having some Skittles I can't share with anybody Kristen was my number one my number one and at the banquet she poured me a drink and I didn't drink it fair I told her later hey that drink you poured I would have just sat there I would have been afraid to touch the food this chair but with Candace like when Rob C kind of brought that up again this is where luck plays into it right Rob and Lisa took Rob C out she got lucky yeah she wasn't even a part of that yeah like if they hadn't have done that you know right who knows what would have happened but also I want to reiterate that the conga line was not random that had been discussed a lot like it wasn't like we're doing a conga line who's in conga line because it seems so Which makes it funnier to be like, random congo line. It's hilarious. Hilarious TV. Now, can you tease a little bit about the reunion? We saw that you guys filmed the reunion. We think that maybe Housewife Lisa came out. What can you tease? I mean, it's a reunion. I'm new to this. Reunion world. Reunion. This world. The Andy Cohen reunion. Yeah, like I came to, I did, the whole point of doing the show was I wanted to try something new. I love these shows. I wanted to make some new friends, have a good time in the castle. It's not personal. We're playing a game called Traitors. You're going to get banished, murdered, or win. We all know that. We all signed up for that. Not everyone's going to win. Not everyone's going to win. Most will lose. Most will lose, right? So, you know, the reunion was interesting for me. Like, you know, when we were out there talking some of the game stuff, I quickly realized, I was like, oh, we're not talking about the game. So I just kind of sat back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's where the, that's the housewives territory right there. But it must be fun to kind of shift because, you know, just finishing a massive dance with the stars season. That was so talked about. And then you get to be on Traders where this is now so talked about. Yeah. Which is so different. But it's so exciting because while this is all going on too, like Whitney's on Broadway. She is. Which is unbelievable. I just went and saw her two nights ago. How was she? She was great. She was great. I want to go see so bad. I'm seeing all the videos. I know. We want to go. I'm seeing all the videos and it's so, you're not supposed to film. I know. The etiquette has gone to trash. Yeah. Part of me is like, you know what? This is annoying. They're not supposed to film. But the other part of me is like, she looks so good up there. I say this too. It's like a concert, right? You go to a concert and like when people post clips, like it never hits as hard than when you're there. Like go see the show. Go see it. Oh, I mean, we went to Dancing with the Stars live on Sunday and there was somebody sitting two rows in front of us who recorded the entire show. She obviously was, it was an older woman, she was pumped, but she sat like this. The entire time. I'm like, it's not. Like, I get it. Like, film a couple things for your memories. Oh, yeah, I take a quick thing and then I put my phone down. But why do you, you're never going to watch it back. The audio is like this. You're never going to watch it back. And it's right. And it's also, and I felt bad because it was an older woman, so it wasn't exactly like she was a cinematographer. like it. Did you enjoy it? It wasn't zoomed in. Yeah, it was awesome. It was really fantastic. It's so much fun to watch them all like in their element. I saw, there's a bit where Hayley Bills and Ezra put the, and the other day it was Rob Rashford. That's what we were at. We were there for that one. We were there for that one. Ezra said, Ezra messaged me and said he did that for us. Oh, you know what? Honestly, I appreciate that. It was probably for the whole crowd but we screamed. We were like, yes! We were like, oh my God, yes! I sent it to Rob. I was like, how's those rhinestone overalls? looking wrong. Do you think he would do it? I mean, I would love to see him. Yeah. It would be great. You know, I saw it's funny. Now people are tagging me in these like videos of him from like, I guess, back in the day. Love Island stuff. No, no, no. Like his like TikTok before. And I'm like, whoa. I was like, bro, explain yourself now. He was like, no, no, no, this is old. I was like, no, dude, I've seen way worse. We can work with this. You're like, I see potential. I see potential. I see potential. How are you feeling about another season of Dancing with the Stars? Is it something you want to do? I mean, yeah, I'm open to it. There's this whole narrative of, I've talked about this before, I only come back for this, that, and the other. But I had a lot of injuries that I was dealing with. I've talked about this before. We have to get into all that. But I've been really diligent about keeping them on track, mainly so that when my son wants to play ball and go out and do stuff, I can chase him around but like you know we get banged up on that show and I've done 21 seasons now it's a lot your body's gotta be hurting yeah but I've been really diligent about all the right things feeling better it'll never be perfect there'll always be things you know I'm 40 this year you know so you know I started doing this show when I was 21 crazy wow so I but I'm open to it I'm open to it I had a blast last season I had a blast the world just keeps exploding everybody wants to do more stuff I mean we're getting Dance with the Stars Khan I know are you gonna go you guys should do a panel that's what we said but we're we're talking about it it's crazy how everyone it's crazy how everyone thinks that you should we would I tried the cameras last time oh yeah it might be in the works awesome awesome and like the world's just exploding so there's so much we hope you stay involved as much as you want to we do have to wrap up sadly but I do want to give you what do you got coming up? Anything that you're working on you want people to know about? There's a couple things in the pipe. I'm not ready to announce them yet but just stay tuned. Follow along. Finish the season of the Traders. It's great. Go support Dancing with the Stars on tour. Get ready for the next season. I'm sure it's going to be great. I just love seeing between Traders and Dancing with the Stars just these new fan bases get into it. At the end of the day it's meant to bring you joy, happiness bonding with your family and your friends and stuff and it seems like it's doing that for the most part. That it does. It gives us all something to talk about and bond over. It really does. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mark. Appreciate it. Alright, that wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the Office. Thank you so much for watching and listening. We love you guys so very much. Reminder, tickets are on sale for the tour. We want to see you there. We love you. Have a wonderful day. We'll talk to you on Friday. 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