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I'm Peter Bacowsky and I cover the Packers for the leap newsletter. I would love for you to subscribe to thanks to everyone who makes locked on Packers. They're first listen every day. We hope you like starting your day with us as much as we like starting our day with you here on locked on podcast network, the number one sports podcast network on the show today. I think it trade up. I think it trade down. They could all be in the cards for the Green Bay Packers and I want to talk through some of the scenarios there with what's going on and this draft. I think I have found a way to express to you just how crazy this draft is in terms of the way these players are viewed the consensus consensus in this draft is a misnomer. I don't know that there is a lot of consensus in this draft, but let's start with potential trade up options for the Green Bay Packers. If they use. Okay. Now I like to use the rich Hill trade chart. So the rich Hill trade chart is a model that was created based on actual trades that have gone down over the last, let's say decade. I don't know exactly what the number is. And so it is, it is an updating of the Jimmy Johnson trade chart, which was used for years, but has now become outdated. Every NFL team has analytics people that they, that they use. And frankly, it was Quasio Delfo Mensa thinking that he had, you know, cracked the code on some new draft chart that ultimately led to his undoing. His drafting was the major problem, the free agents and some of the other moves that the team made worked. It was the draft that was the problem in Minnesota. So for the Packers, you take 52 and 84. That gets you to between, you know, in 37 and 38. So is there a player in that range, 37, 38 in the 30s, someone that we expect to go late first, early second, that makes sense for the Green Bay Packers to mortgage their draft for. They already mortgage their draft for Micah Parsons, but they are in win now mode. We know that. Ryan Utikins has not been afraid to trade up over the years. Now trading up this far. Oh boy, that would be a lot. That would be a lot, but some players potentially in that range, cornerback Colton Hood is 37th on Todd McShay's board. Colton Hood is a damn good football player. Now he's 30 on Dane Brewer's board in the beast. So that would have to be a little bit of a fall, but if he gets to 37, 38, he could be the kind of player that you make that move up for. I think let's start here. The kinds of players you trade up in this draft for or any draft are premium position players. Brian Utikins traded up for Jordan Love, quarterback, no doubt premium position. He traded back, but then traded up for Jair Alexander premium position. Now he traded up for Darnall Savage, not a premium position as a safety, but was a profound position of need in that draft. And right now, a cornerback is maybe not a profound position of need because I think if they, if they started one of Benjamin St. Karrington Valentine and Kishan Nixon, some combination of those three guys, which Yvonne Bullard and those safeties, I think they would be fine with it. The Packers like did not have an NFL player to play safety opposite Adrian Amos. They needed to go up and get Darnall Savage, who was a day one starter for them. So they do have a history of doing this. If you're going to go up, it is either for a defensive tackle you think is a star, is a, I can rush the passer, I can stop the run, I can do everything. It's got to be one of those guys. So for example, Cade McDonald, who I have said is the only player I think in this draft that could day one be the engine of your run defense. The only guy in this draft that I think that that would be the case for. You can't trade up for that guy. You the value of that guy is just not there. The difference between Cade McDonald and whoever you could just pick at 52, even if it's, you know, Dominique Orange, who you guys know, I don't love. You can't give up a third round pick to go up and get the Delta between Cade McDonald and Dominique Orange. You just can't do that to me. If you think Dominique Orange is the consensus player is the, is that guy in the sixties is someone we're taking it 52. You can't, you can't. Now Chris Johnson, another corner in that range, 39th overall on Todd McShay's board in the beast is a little bit higher, 24th for, for Dane Brugler. And remember Dane and Todd, both they use their eyes when they scout and they use their ears. Those two guys are as plugged in. Daniel Jeremiah, add him in there too. Dane, like the beast, you guys is over 600 pages. He talks to family. He talks to friends. He talks to scouts. He talks to players. He talks to coaches. The beast is as comprehensive a draft guide as anyone puts out. He does as he basically is a scout and not just an area scout, like area scouts right up, you know, like 50, 100, whatever it is reports. He wrote up 600 pages worth of stuff. We're talking about 500 players that he evaluated and he scouted and he researched. Like it's crazy what he did. And he said on the athletic football show, there are times will help put stuff in there and scouts whose area those players are in. They go, I didn't know that. I should know that. And he's also hearing from the scouts. They're giving him information. And so he's like, you know, I'm not going to be a scout. And so these, these rankings, I think give us a very good indication of what's going on here. Now we've used them again, draft rankings, and we'll get to that in a second because there, I think there are, there's some crazy disparities in there that I think we have to touch on here. But those two players, for me, they're at the top of the list of guys that you would trade up for because they play a premium position and they play a position of need for the Packers. So those are two names, Colton Hood and Chris Johnson. If one of those guys falls out of the first round and all of a sudden you get to pick 37, pick 38, premium position player, potential core, like those are, those guys are potential cornerback ones to me. Colton Hood and Chris Johnson, Chris Johnson is one of my favorite, absolute favorite players in this draft. I think he's like one of the 15 or 20 best players in the draft. If he falls, he is exactly the kind of guy you trade up for. If you're in a Super Bowl window, which by the way, the Green Bay Packers are or at least believe themselves to be. Now, if you want to make a smaller trade up, I don't, by the way, I don't think you have to give up that much to go up and get one of these defensive tackles. I don't think any of the defensive tackles are worth that in a trade up. But let's say they wanted to take, let's say their fifth round pick or their fourth round pick, excuse me, by the Rich Hill trade chart, 52 plus 120 gets you to around the mid forties. So maybe, and that's, and part of that is because those picks in the thirties are just exponentially more valuable according to the trade value chart because you're still getting players like until about pick 40, 45, you could still be getting players you have first round grades on because not everyone has this draft the same way or you have borderline grades on. But at 52, you're not going to get those guys. So you're getting like 44 and a half is essentially the value of 52 plus 120. There may be players there that make this make sense. Brandon Cise on Todd McShay's board is the 43rd player on his board. Would you be willing to trade up for someone like Brandon Cise? Brandon Cise is 45th on Dane Breuler's board. That's right in that sweet spot, that range. No, I think Cise is a little bit of a project, but at with his size, with his athleticism, he doesn't have to play this year. He can be a dime corner for you. And you can just say, OK, that's fine. You live, you move, we move, right? He's he has the potential, the upside to be really, really promising. In fact, the the log line from from Dane Breuler is unrefined, but promising. He's a little late to anticipate routes, but has NFL speed. The late to anticipate stuff, you hope that that is something that you can you can coach up. He is an explosive, explosive athlete. Ran fast, jumped high, 5'11 1.5, 1.89. You hope he can play like low 1.90s. Ran 4, 4, 1, a 1, 5, 3, 10 yard split. Jumped 41, broad jump 10, 11, like he is a top tier explosive athlete. And so if you're going to move up for a player like that, that makes sense. Now, you might not have to move up for someone like Christian Miller. For these guys, Christian Miller is 57th on Todd McShay's board. So maybe you don't have to move up at all for him. Kayla Banks is is 52nd in the beast. So maybe you don't have to move up for him at all. Christian Miller is 43rd on Dane Brugler's ball or ball Dane Brugler's list. I would, I would move up for Christian Miller, but I would not give up my entire day to draft for Christian Miller. I think there are maybe more scenarios where I would want to move back in this draft and let's talk about that more next. It's tax time, but for a lot of us, the old way of doing taxes is well, a lot. Trying to book an appointment that's not the most convenient. Sitting in a waiting room with a stack of papers, emailing back and forth and wondering if they really get your situation. But this year, you're getting a major upgrade into a TurboTax, now has in-person locations nationwide. 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And you don't think anyone else in that range is worth the draft pick. I happen to, but it seems like I'm just wrong on Julian Neal. I don't know if there's an off the field something that I don't know about. I don't know what's going on there. He was a top 100 player through this whole process, blew away the combine, and it's for some reason falling. I can't quite make sense of that, but that's the reality, right? So if you don't like your options there, the great option, if there's someone that wants to come up is you move back and the team that I have circled is the 49ers. Because the 49ers have three fourth round picks. And if we're doing the math right, if you take the hot any of, frankly, any of the 49ers picks, so the Packers, their 50-second pick on the Rich Hill trade chart is worth 109 points. Let's call them points. The 49ers 58th pick is worth 93 points. So you're talking about a 16 point delta on the Rich Hill trade chart. One of San Francisco's fourth round picks is worth 15. One is worth 16 and one is worth 18. Plus they have 127, which is worth 20. They wouldn't have to give up the highest of those. If I'm the Packers, I'm asking for like 133. Give me 133, move back six spots, and let's call it good. You've got all those fourth round pick, come up and get the receiver you want, the offensive lineman you want, the pass rusher you want, something like that. And then you're adding an extra fourth round pick in a draft where you don't have a ton of draft capital. And with that pick in the 130s, you know, you scroll down on the McShay big board into the 130s. That's right where Julian Neil is by the way. He's at 133. I would like Caleb Proctor, if he's there in that range, Jake Slaughter, the center from Florida. I know you think you've got, you know, that locked down, but maybe, maybe you don't. That's where you could get a running back potentially. That's where you could get Eli Reardon from, from Notre Dame, the tight end. Oscar Delp, the tight end from Georgia. Trey Zune from, from Texas A&M. Will Lee is on, is in that range from McShay, from Texas A&M. That's where you're going to add value in this draft. And so I think for the Packers, if you can't get that impact defensive tackle and you can't get that corner, that, that really, really works for you. Now, I think not just 52, a trade back, but I think 84. And for a lot of those same reasons, if you're San Francisco, like you don't have a third round pick, but you've got all those fourth round picks. So could you package some of those fourth round picks? The Packers third round pick is worth 51 points on the trade chart. The 49ers could give you all of those fourths, all of those fourths, 127, 133, 138, 138 and 139. That'd be a little of an overpay. They could give you three of them. And that would, to me, that would be a pretty good deal. Let's say you get someone 52, someone you really love, Christian Miller, falls to you at 52. Bang. And you don't love the corner options at 84. You could move back into the fourth, add a bunch of fourth round picks. You could grab linebackers. You could grab all sorts of stuff in that range. I think that works for the Packers as well. There could be some receivers in that range you might want to add. There could be some running backs in that range, Nick Singleton that you might want to add. You could do a more straight forward tradeback into the low nineties and add a fourth round pick. And then maybe you grab Mike Washington if he's still there. And by the way, we're going to talk about that in a second. There's a huge gap with some of this stuff. So as exciting as it is to trade up and it is exciting, right? Like you, you're going up and you're, if you're, if you're a fan, you're going, man, the Packers are going all in on this baby. Let's go. Let's go. The Packers are going, they're trading up. They're trading their two day, two picks to go up and get a borderline first round player. They're getting that first round pick back. If I told you you could trade two first round picks for Micah Parsons and then your day two picks for a player like Chris Johnson, a starting corner, a potential number one corner. Sign me up. Sign me up. But if those corners are off the board and we think these defensive tackles are going to be off the board, if that happens, or maybe you can get Christian Miller at 52, but let's just say a trade down, especially with a team like San Francisco that's got all those fourth round picks. I think this draft is hardiest, is thickest, is girthiest from like the 50th player on the board to like the 150th player. And that's true in a lot of drafts, but I think that band is bigger this year. And I think the difference between the 50th player, like the difference between the 20th player and the 80th player is smaller than I can remember in a draft. You might be getting a guy at the end of the first round that another team has a third round great on. And vice versa, you might be getting a player at the end of the third round at 84 that another team has a borderline first round great on or has a mid second round great on. That's just the way that this draft looks right now. And in a draft like that, I'd want to be going the other way. I'd be wanting to move back, accumulate assets. Now, the question that you have to ask if you're the Packers is how many roster spots do you actually have open? And that's where this gets interesting. So like, do you want a bunch of fourth round picks or do you want to just try and take the highest, you know, the highest graded player on your board at 84? Do you do you want to mess around with that? I think you have to have some players in mind. So if you're going to move back from 52, you have to do that knowing, okay, I would much rather take Dominic Orange at 58 at 68 62, add a pick and do it that way. Then, you know, not reach necessarily because you're probably going to have someone graded in that range. The Packers are going to spend months, months trying to figure out, okay, who are the guys we think are going to be there? We've got to love somebody. If we're going to stick and pick at 52, who's it going to be? We got to, we got to fall in love with someone. But maybe you don't have to fall in love with anybody. Maybe you can just move back, take the highest graded player, take your draft pick for your troubles and move forward in a draft like this. That is so dense from right in the range where the Packers are picking to right where the Packers are picking again and again. I'd like to have instead of three picks from 50 to 130. If I could have four picks, five picks, that just gives me a higher probability of hitting on somebody more bites at the Apple equals a better chance that one or two of these guys really pop for me. And if there's a really good player there, you don't, you don't trade back. Like, that's always the pushback that I get. Well, what if so and so is there? Okay, then you draft him. We don't have, we don't have to make this complicated. It's not like we're going through the history on it. We're going through the history on it. Presupposing the right guy is not there. Now you might there, we might get to 52 and there might be a guy that you love there. For me, it's going to be, I know, I just know that they're going to get to 52 guys like Ted Hurst and Julie and Neil that I love that I would draft at 52. No questions asked. And they're not going to take them. They're going to take someone else or they're going to trade back. And because the consensus is what it is, I will, I will understand. I can't tell a GM that don't think you are better than everyone at doing this, that you can just evaluate everyone so much better that you're going to take someone around or too, too early because you love them. No, don't do that. Like, I love Julian Neil. I'm not going to take him at 52. I'm really not. I like, I have to build into the, the, the risk profile that, Hey, we think he's something that no one else thinks he is. That's a red flag for me. It's like an athletic testing red flag or a character red flag. Doesn't mean you don't draft them, but it means we got to understand what the risk profile is here. Now he's more like now a player in the hundreds of fourth round player at 84. I'm going to take him like the value to me is too good where if you have a player, I mean, I think Julian Neil, to me, Julian Neil is the top 50 player in this draft or any drafts, frankly. So if I can get that guy in the eighties, I'm going to do it, but you have to understand the game that you're playing. And that's why this is, that's why this is fraud because Bob McGinn scouts had Dale and Everett as a second round player. But Dane Brugler and Todd McShay, who talked to a lot of other NFL teams, don't think he's that they think he's a fourth round player. So can you risk it? I want to talk about some of those disparities next unlocked on Packers. Workplace chaos, deadlines stacking up inbox overflowing and the one position you have to fill still sitting open when the pressure's on and you need the right hire. That's a job for sponsor jobs. Indeed, sponsor jobs helps you reach the people who actually fit what you're looking for skills, experience, location. So you're not just hoping the right candidate stumbles across your post. And here's a stat that says it all in the minute I've been talking to you. 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Mike Washington right now is 96 overall on the big board. That is something that you do with your ears, not your eyes. Because and it's possible that 64 was also something that he was doing with his ears. Hey teams are really into this guy. They really like him. And then over the last couple of weeks as it's we've gotten closer to the drafts, maybe you feel like you're getting more of the truth. But it stands out to me that when you go on the beast and you try and find Mike Washington, he is at 85th. By the way, that's right in the range where the Packers pick in the third round. And so I don't think it would be surprising if they took him at 84 and I would find it much more palatable at 84 than 52, especially if at 52, you find a corner or you find a defensive tackle. I think you can justify that because Mike Washington is the kind of guy who could be in a year. You're featured back. I wanted to like Mike Washington more than I ended up liking him, but as a third round player, I can absolutely get on my head. I'm bored with that. But to my earlier point, you might have a you might have a player with a second round grade and another team might have him with a fourth round grade. Dejan Shribling from Ole Miss, the receiver has been a popular pick for the Packers in the fourth round. That is where he had been seen for most of the pre draft process by media narratives and consensus. And that is all it is the media. He was not in Dane Bruegler's top 100 coming out of the combine, despite the fact that he ran for three at his size. In the beast, Dejan Shribling is 67th. 67th. That is squarely a day to player squarely a day to player. Dejan Shribling for Todd McShea, who also talks to a lot of NFL people has been doing this a very long time, is 110 on on the board. 110. That is squarely on day three. That is a two round difference almost in quality. So when we say reach in this draft, we need to have a different conversation about it. This is one of those drafts where the the consensus is a misnomer that there is no consensus in this draft. And that's because there's just not a lot of great players in this draft. There's also a lot of niche players in this draft, a lot of slot corners and dime linebackers and, you know, designated pass rushers and those kinds of players. Then there's injury questions. Guys like Kayla Banks, how does, how does, you know, what happened with him and his foot affect the way teams view him? Dalyne Everett is another player that is a prime example of this. The Bob McGinn survey had Dalyne Everett square and round two, a round two player. So like think about Dejan Shribling's ranking. Todd McShea has Dalyne Everett 112 right below Dejan Shribling. And when the Packers had Charles Demings in for a workout, I was like, well, by consensus, that guy's like, he's a UDFA late, late, late, late. Um, excuse me. Todd McShea has Charles Demings 111th on his big board. This is someone we have to account for. He's a borderline top 100 player. Now part of that is he jumped out of the gym, tested crazy, crazy. Dalyne Everett for Todd McShea is 98th. So, okay, now, now my head is spinning. My head hurts. The Bob McGinn, this Bob McGinn scouting survey. So we're talking about NFL scouts had Dalyne Everett somewhere between 32 and 65 somewhere in there. Dane Brugler, who also scouts with his ears when it comes to the beast has Dalyne Everett at 98. Borderline day two player, but a day two player. Todd McShea has him almost around later, 20 spots later is almost a full round. So this is why when I said, Hey, look, Dalyne Everett might be the pick at 52. Some scouts see him that way. Some scouts see him as a fourth round player, someone you might be able to get at 120. That is insanity, you guys. But that's, that's the waters that we're swimming in in this draft. 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