Crocodile Attack - Todd, His Dog Dig Dig, and the Saltwater Crocodile

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Because it seems to me like you're in a chamber that is designed to make your voice echo back into the microphone as much as possible. It is maybe somewhat that. I am in a hotel in Brazil. Jeff said I can't come home. Still there. From Brazil until I'm good. And I just, I just have an hard time being good, you know? I get it. So it's not the best place to like be on good behavior either. No, it's not. But I'm here for a full month and yeah, I'm in a hotel, my internet was working fine in my room. And then as soon as we connected it stopped working. So now I'm in like the weirdest little conference room ever. It's a little echoey, but it's as good as I could do. Well, we didn't get you last episode. So now we get W this. Yeah. So exactly. Bill's gonna have to work his magic. When we were together, so we did a trip out in the Pantanal, saw a few tape ears and a bunch of jaguars. Beautiful animals, got real close to them, got right under a couple of them. Really amazing trip. So thank you for putting that together. And then you were just like, I'm staying out here. And what have you been up to since we left? Well, the first few days that I was out here on my own, I really wanted to find mained wolves. So I went to two different spots and found mained wolves in both of those spots. The first spot I found two of them is like way out in the middle of the Pantanal. And then I went to Minas Gerais, which is the state I lived in in Brazil. Minas Gerais. Yeah, Minas. Tiers. It's not Minas Gerais. Mortugal. Yeah. Close enough. But it's this really old state in Brazil. There's lots of cool old cities. And I went to this church that's in the middle of nowhere in the jungle. And the monks at this church have been feeding mained wolves since 1982. And what happened was one night a monk saw that their trash had been flipped over. And so the next night he went out there and he saw the mained wolf eating the trash. It was like causing such a big mess that he figured he would just start feeding it. So it didn't flip their trash over. And then they just kept feeding them and feeding them. And now there's like biologists involved and they've collared some of these mained wolves. And it's just become this big study on a very understudied animal. And it was a really cool place to see them like in this huge Gothic cathedral in the middle of the jungle, in the middle of nowhere Brazil. It was a really cool experience. That's sweet. And that's awesome. And then I went to Rio and now I'm back in the Pantanal. Oh, amazing. When's your next trip start? I meet my group in like three days. Cool. Yeah. You just going to hang out until then? I'm just hanging out. I'm going to go float a little river tomorrow, see some fish, maybe an anaconda if I'm lucky. Been looking at birds. Cool. Yeah. Biologists figured out why mained wolves have those neat little socks on. The like the black socks. Yeah, they go all the way up there like tube socks all the way up past the knee. I meant to look it up. I don't know why. I'm guessing my guess is it's a parasite thing like it makes them less appealing to like ticks and stuff because the the marsh deer that we saw have those too. If you guys remember that. Yeah, you remember that. So I don't know. I'm not sure. I like it. I like the idea of a really picky parasite. Sees a man wolf and it's like no, thank you. Nope. No black socks. I think about parasites as just being like whatever we can get, let's get in there. You know, yeah. Wes, I want to give you a little update before we get into the story. I prepped the story. Jeff's doing me a solid, you know, hold on to your butts, everyone. Yeah. But anyways, well, let's get into the episode. So let's go back to where we did our first international trip together two years ago. We're going to Australia for this one. And we visited the town that this took place in for just one day. But you guys describe a little bit what Queensland, Australia was like how it was, how it felt, was the wildlife, like what were the people like? Like this is the whole state of Queensland. Wasn't the town called Queensland? No, no. You mean hands? Maybe thinking of Townsville or whatever that place is called. We were in Queensland for most of our trip. No, this takes place in Queensland. Yeah. So Kansas is in Queensland, Townsville is in Queensland. Cassowary Coast is in Queensland. I loved it. Hot, sweaty, beautiful. Hot, sweaty, beautiful. There's quite a bit of vegetation there. Like it's not like you don't, I wouldn't necessarily describe it as like the red Australia. There's like, there's a lot going on though. But this was in Northern Queensland that this happened. All right. Really friendly people too. I'll just put that out there. Like really just love the people out there. So this story comes from SBS Insight in Australia. And the person who we're going to be talking about is named Todd Bearstow. So he's the oldest of four boys. He had a sister that died at nine months old, which caused his mom, Kathy to, you know, worry a little bit extra about all of her children. But he ends up, you know, growing up as kids do. Gets a job. They do do that, don't they? Gets a job at Rio Tinto, which is a mining company. They actually have like mines in Utah. They're a very worldwide mining company. But he gets a job in North Queensland. I should have, I saw the town's name. I didn't keep it because I thought Queensland was a town. But he's in Northern Queensland working as a miner in a little town. Okay. And he's like an average sized guy, 28 years old. He's in good shape, good health. And like working as a miner in the brutal Australian sun just made him a physically and mentally strong person. Yeah. So it's the middle of the day of March, 2011. Todd just got out of a safety meeting. He drove to a pub, pulled up in his trophy. You guys know what a trophy is. And I'm excited to find out. It's what he, it's what he calls his land cruising. Okay. It's just, it's just like a truck, I guess, or Jeep or whatever. Was it like he named it that or is that what people call them there? That's what he called it in his, in his retelling of his story. I mean, like I call, I call my, when I named my computer, her name is Beverly. So maybe it's kind of like that. No, I don't think it's like that. I think of what they call like trucks. They have such names for everything out there. Yeah. That's true. That's the point of me not just calling it his land cruiser. So he gets to the river. Well, so he's going to the pub, but there's a river right next to the pub. So he stops at the river, decides he's going to take a few casts, already has like a pole with a lure all rigged up. So he pulls his car over, cracks open a cold beer, opens the door for his new puppy, who he loved named Dig Dig and steps out of his car. Right. So when me, West, It's a great Australian name for that dog too. Dig Dig. Yeah. When me, Wes and Cyrus fish together, Wes is a master at like just being ready. To go and he always ends up being the first one in the water, which is a big advantage. Like the fish haven't seen a fly yet in that section of river. And you know, he's just good at grabbing his rod, ready to go. And that's how this guy was. So he grabs his rod. That's great at grabbing my rod. A lot of experience. Starts looking for a clearing, finds him. He's fishing for Baramundi and he just like starts walking on a little goat trail, starts looking for any type of clearing where he can just throw the lure in the water, finds a clearing, takes like two real confident steps as he's like unattaching the lure to set, like throw it in the river. And on the second step, he feels a bang, just hit him from behind. So he has like a big old grin on his face, turning around thinking one of his friends just like came up behind him and like spoofed him. Right. And his grin quickly turns to whore as he sees an 11 foot crocodile latched onto his left leg. So like this crocodile easily knocks him over to the ground. It's a distinctly yellow crocodile too, but easily knocks him to the ground and starts dragging him into the water until Todd's able to grab some mangrove branches, which are really strong branches, like trees that grow by water, they're really strong branches. So he's able to grab some like thin, but strong mangrove branches and stop the crocodile from being able to pull him into the water anymore. But he's wearing his work boots. He's like, boots are getting all wet. So I'm sure he'll probably need new boots. Yeah. Your boots get wet. They get real small, you know. It's not. Oh, that is a good point. I'm more worried about when my socks get wet though. Like if my boots get wet, I'm chilling still, I think. But when you have soggy socks, that's when I'm getting home. Yeah. I think even his pants are starting to get wet. Like his legs are in the water. He's a mess. So he's holding onto these branches now and he's kind of just having a stare off with this big crocodile. I looked it up an 11 foot crocodile. So that is like three meters, a little over three meters. They can weigh over 600 pounds at that length. This one's a male. So like it could easily be a 600 pound crocodile that he's trying to hold off. I'm guessing this is a saltwater crocodile since it's attacking him. Saltwater crocodile. Yeah. Yeah. But in freshwater. Yeah. That adds up. They're in freshwater a lot. But freshwater crocs in Australia really aren't aggressive and don't really ever attack people. But it's a different species even though they both exist in freshwater. Saltwater crocs do attack a fair amount of people. Yeah. So it's a big old saltwater crocodile. I mean, it's big, but they do get like twice this size as well. Todd said and I quote, I'm in trouble here. I've probably got to get away. Yeah. So that's his quote about his story. And he's just kind of. Who is he talking to? Probably the crocodile, right? They faced off for a few minutes just like unmoving. And I kind of pictured it like a UFC fight, the most recent one with that South African guy and the guy from I forget where. But anyways, the guy from South Africa just got dominated, Duplessis. And the grapplers like in UFC will sometimes just lay on top of their opponents. And really not a lot happens. It's just like they're trying to tire them out. Getting laid on is like really tiring, too. Exactly. Anyone that has an older brother knows that just being laid on top of is like an exhausting experience. And that's kind of happening. Like he's having to hold, he's having to hold onto these branches. I'm sure it's like getting really tiring. So it's just kind of like a stalemate for a bit. And then the crocodile goes slack. So Todd tries to pull his leg away. And when that happens, it does its first death roll. And this is his left leg. This locates his knee, shatters his bones, and just like really messes up his leg with one death roll, which you can imagine like, you know, that's a lot of weight just to start rolling your one leg. So he goes from being like kind of calm, thinking like this is going to end up all right to being like there's a really good chance I'm about to die from this crocodile. And he's an excruciating amount of pain now, which might be kind of what caused him to do what happens next. So now I've listened to about four or five retellings of Todd with his story. And the variable that changes the most is what happens with its three-month-old dog, Dig Dig. So here's a quote from the article that I mentioned at the start. I've started pulling myself up again and it goes for another death roll, popping and twisting that same leg. While all this is happening, Dig Dig is barking. I grab him and I think poor little bugger. I start hitting the crocodile on the head with Dig Dig, thinking maybe he'll let go of me and take the dog. No. The crocodiles me in again. Not Dig Dig. I let go of Dig Dig and hold the branch again. Dig Dig runs along the crocs head onto my back and takes off into the bush. Good for him. James Bond did that once. I'm going to play because I can't do the Australian accent. I can't do Todd's just a great storyteller. So I'm going to play a little clip from him telling that part right now. Poor little bugger. I grabbed him and I've just started hitting the crocodile on the head with him. With the dog? With the little dog. Thinking maybe he might let go of me and take Dig Dig or something like that. But no. The crocodiles pulled again and I let go of Dig Dig. And I've grabbed on with both hands again. I've turned around and Dig Dig standing on the crocodile's back. Ankle deep in water. He's come flying up the crocodile up my back and he's gone. Wow. That's pretty lonely feeling. My dog's gone. He's like I'm out of here. I'm out of here, mate. Yeah. All right. Todd. It's funny that he looks like Hugh Jackman. He really does. I noticed that. I mean, honestly, like talk about a glow up. I was watching his like earlier interviews and he looks so much cooler now with the huge beard and like the mullet. Earlier ones he just kind of looks, I don't know, more of just like a scoundrel like Borgjord type. I mean, he does a little bit of scoundrel like behavior there. I just would have omitted the part when telling the story like I hope he takes my dog instead of me. That's a props. I guess for being honest, but that's a tough one. And we'll get into that. And there's a few different virgins that I listened to. No, but on like Australian 60 Minutes, he was talking about it. And in that one, it's a little different. He says that he hit the crocodile on the head with dig dig a couple times. And then he threw dig dig in the water, hoping like the splash would get the crocodile to like eat dig dig. And then that's when dig dig ran across its back onto his back, scratched his back up and then like took off. Yeah. So I do think, I don't know. Yeah, let's get into it. I think a lot of listeners are kind of having the same reaction that I had. Is that kind of f***ed up? You know? So I don't know. Like here's, I think he has like obviously a good defense, especially so I ruptured my patella playing basketball ruptured my patella tendon. My kneecap was like literally halfway up my thigh. And so easily the worst pain I've ever been in. And like I had zero control over my mind. I had zero control. I was in like a church. I was I at the time wouldn't really swear at all. I was swearing so much. I had like no control over myself. Right. So like I do think he has that excuse of like his knee just got dislocated. His bones just got shattered. This dog runs up to him. And it's just like, it's just impulse almost like I do think he's a rival instinct. Right. But then on the other hand, it is like a really crazy story that I'm going to continue to tell here. And I do think this kind of like takes away a lot of the heroism that he could have had from this story. Yeah. You know, like it's not it's not admirable that he did that. So I don't know. But he just so everyone knows too that's listening and getting mad right now that he hit the crock with his dog. He's gotten a lot of hate from it. Like he's heard it already. He knows. So like you don't need to like pile on to that. But anyways, what do you guys think of that whole situation? Yeah, I think I'm it's just hard because I've never been in a situation where I could have like some some animal or someone around me that I could compromise in such a way, even if it wasn't such a dire circumstance. So like I find it hard to judge really when you're trying to do anything you can. It's like the most primal urge that we have is to like survive, you know. And like you were saying, when it comes down to it, you're going to do whatever you have. You're going to use whatever you have at your disposal to make that happen. So like, yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to be kind about it. But I just want to speak up for the listeners that are like screw this guy. I think it's impossible for us to put ourselves in his shoes and know exactly what any of us would do. I can say there's I don't think I would grab my dog to try and like distract a crocodile. I don't think I would. I can't say it for sure though, because I've never been in that situation. And he'd only had his dog for like three months. So maybe they hadn't like fully bonded or whatever. But that's your best friend. I don't know. That's hard for me to feel like it's justified. So yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think a lot of listeners will probably think it was. I think a lot of listeners will be harder on them than we just were. And who are who am I to say that they're wrong to feel that way? But yeah, how long did it didn't it take a while for remember the movie Beethoven? Charles Groten, the Beethoven movie, they didn't like each other to like the end of the movie. And a lot of time had to pass by and they had to go through a lot. So maybe this guy is just trying to make friends still with his dog. Maybe this is just one of the things they had to go through. Yeah, now they're tight probably. One of your two feet. One of their two feet. So like I tried to like feed you to a croc, but you scratched up my back when you ran away. Of course, yeah. Another interesting detail I found in one of the more less like viewed videos was he was saying that as he is holding onto these mangroves, he remembered mosquitoes kept biting him. And it's like a real minor inconvenience that I feel like would suck just to have like mosquitoes on your face as you're trying to hold on while a croc's dragging you into the water. But then I was kind of thinking like at least if he's going to die, he knows that maybe he'll get Jurassic Parked in the future with his DNA. That's a really good point. Oh, by the mosquitoes. That's a good point. Someday a rich theme park owner will bring him back. So I want to ask you guys here too. So Dig Dig like came up, started barking at the croc and he immediately got used as a weapon and tried to be a sacrifice, right? So can you guys think of a time when someone tried to help someone and then it immediately like backfired and they got screwed over? This is in the categories I asked for, like the last one, but I wanted to do one of them in the middle. I thought of one, but I think it's one we've used before. So I'm sorry, it's going to be like a little repetitive. No, not the category, but this example. The one I always think of is Saving Private Ryan, where like the one at the Trans-Iron Grey, it like takes mercy on the Nazi that they capture and then he ends up just getting like stabbed slowly by that dude. And I always just think that's right. You just can't ever give any grace to Nazis. You got to just kill Nazis, you know? Yeah. I was thinking in Count Imani Cristo, the Guy Pierce one. Guy Pierce is like dead to rights and then his son, who's actually not his son, like runs in the way and interferes to like help him out. Henry Cavill. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Henry Cavill and then Guy Pierce immediately like holds a gun to his head and it's like, you're not actually my son. Yeah. That's scoundrel. Now that guy's, he would have used a dog as a weapon for sure. Yeah, for sure. Fair enough. I remember my friends. It's alright if I don't have one. Oh yeah. No, I got one actually. My friend gave me his essay to, because I forgot to do my homework one time and I kind of copied it basically word for word and the teacher was just immediately like, well, you guys cheated. So my friend got in more trouble than I did even because he would like enabled me. Sorry Jacob, but it's a good writer. That happened with me once with Jeff. And he let me like use his because I just was having a hard time getting started and I like changed it and tried to make it like a little worse and like took out a paragraph and stuff and like changed it up and I got a higher grade than he did. That's the best. Alright. So anyways, the dog didn't work. So what you're in Todd's situation, you probably feel a little guilty. Like I think he feels really bad about Dig Dig, but what do you do now? I got his name too, hopefully. I mean, I just buy him a lot of treats and just. No, I mean with the crocodile pulling you into the water. I like where your mind is going though, that's good. I forgot that he's still on the crocodile still on him. Yeah, we still got a story to go. I imagine he's going to go like go for the eyes. That's what everyone does at this point. You go for the eyes. Yeah. So crocodiles are really fast and they have most metrics that measure bite force. Say saltwater crocodiles have the strongest bite of any animal on the planet. West has brought up there's maybe an argument for great white sharks, possibly like orcas. We haven't really measured, but most people will say saltwater crocodiles have the strongest bite on the planet. So he's gouging the eyes. He goes to like push the head off of his leg and it readjusted by in a split second. Now it has both legs in its mouth and his finger trapped against his leg. The tooth is like in the middle of his finger going through his finger into his leg. So now he's like really stuck and now he can only hold on to the tree, which is saving his life with one arm and it's his left arm. I don't know if he's right handed or not, but actually no. So I think it is his right arm that he was holding on to. But you're still not sure with his finger. His left finger was pinned down. There you go. So he makes the decision to just rip the finger off. Geez. Turns into like a nearly headless Nick situation where there's like a little bit of skin and tendon holding it on still. Oh my gosh. Like essentially rips his finger off so that he can use his left hand to hold the tree as well because he just knew like without both hands, he's getting dragged into the water really fast. So this went on for about 20 minutes when Todd just couldn't hold on any longer. That's crazy. Yeah. He lets go of the tree and the crocodile pulls him underwater. So real quick, we're going to get into a little biology. This is Jeff's gripping eight gripping saltwater crocodile effects. Number one, they're the largest reptiles alive today, which Wes probably told us, but I didn't know that. Really? Two. Like by weight? By a good margin. Really? And length. Well, maybe not length. I think I would have said pythons that are longer. Pythons. Yeah. Yeah. But by weight, it's like by a good margin. Yeah. They have an average of 66 teeth and go through about 300 teeth in a lifetime. This one I know we've told, but it's a good fact, so I'm doing it again. They'll lay 20 to 40 eggs that are hatched male or female, all of the eggs, depending on the temperature of the eggs. So if it's like a little bit warmer, they all hatch male. They're a little bit colder. They all hatch female. I feel like that's true for all crocodilians too, which is pretty cool. Yeah, that is really cool. The biggest crocodile ever recorded was measured in the Philippines, caught and measured in the Philippines in 2011, and weighed 2,370 pounds and was 20 feet long. Yo mama. That's crazy. Yo mama joke, yeah. Number five. Maybe who caught that one though? Was it those fishing guys like stuffing marbles down the alligator or the crocs throat? It's some guy from Brevin. That's so heavy. No, this one's Mike's mama. Fossil records show that crocodiles used to get 39 feet long. Oh, yeah. I could probably carbon date my mom. Our closest of kin can do that kind of thing, right? Is that what your mama joke was? It's fossil record. That's what his it is. His mom. All right. Number six. So the reason they're named saltwater crocodiles is that they can live in saltwater. I do think for me it got a little confusing where I assume they do always live in saltwater. And a lot of times they still prefer fresh water. Or what they really like is a mix. So they like like. Brackish water. Yeah. Yeah, brackish water. Like where a river meets the ocean type of situation. Like a square. But they have specialized lingual salt glands located under their tongues that excrete excess salt. And that allows them to manage their electrolyte balance and survive in marine and brackish environments. And there's even stories of them traveling like 600 miles through the ocean. Which is how they're so widespread and they've made it into coastal regions in the open ocean. Wow. Number seven. They're ambush predators who eat anything from birds and fish to large mammals such as like water buffalo and cattle and you know whatever comes to shore. Not this time. They've never eaten a dig dig. Never once. Number eight is they can live up to 70 years. Pretty good. Yeah. And that is really good. Number nine. My bonus fact. I like this one. This one crazy. They can go up to a they can go a year without eating so they really don't need to eat like frequently. And then a few extreme cases they can go two to three years without eating. Yeah, that's crazy. She's so long. Yeah. So there's the facts. Let's get back to the story now that we've got a better idea of the animal we're talking about. What's the longest time you've ever gone without eating Wes? I would guess like 30 hours. Yeah. That's how about you? I did like 40 hours a week ago. Really? Whoa. Why? You must have been so angry. Colonoscopy. I just felt a little fat. I'm gonna lose weight. I just like stop eating food. I went 72 hours once. Whoa. How? Why? Just like I heard there's like these crazy health benefits if you like get past a certain amount. I was like I didn't see if I can do that. But then I immediately just like the minute 72 hours was up I had like Cheetos and like sausages and stuff. It wasn't probably. Sausages. Right. Apparently it's like you can have some weird gut issues and get diarrhea. I didn't get diarrhea like huge surprise there. But I heard you can. Should try again maybe. I did. You did after you broke the fast. Yeah. Yeah. I can be a Colonoscopy. It was just bad. No I haven't. You're gonna love it. It's just gonna be the time of your life. All right. So unlike or no much like Mike after his 72 hour fast this crocodile is pretty excited to eat something. Right. We don't know how long it'd been till it had eaten. But it is finally after this like 20 minute struggle dragged its prey underwater which is where their success rate is incredibly high for killing prey. It's got both legs in its mouth. This crocodile is about to win this fight. Right. Yeah. Todd was just physically exhausted couldn't hold on anymore. He goes he's completely submerged. But then he realizes that the water is only like three or four feet deep. And that he kind of still has a chance to get out of it because it's not like very deep. So he's able to like push himself out of the water and grab back onto the tree and pull himself back out a little ways which is crazy. But he just kind of needed a breather. You know. Yeah. Like his arms just got too tired. He just needed a second. It is kind of funny to think that he's been in this situation for a half an hour probably thinking this water was like super deep. And I don't know if it would have changed anything for him but it's funny to just to think like three feet below him was the ground. He could have maybe used that to his advantage somehow. I don't know. I think still being in the water like the crocodiles for sure huge advantage. Like if he's underwater it's just trying to drown them in 600 pounds. It can definitely hold him under. So he's lucky to have gotten out of the water. That's a movie scene too. I can just see him like getting pulled under and the surface of the water getting all still and flat and the camera just sits there for like a minute and then he like erupts out of the water again and grabs them and grow. It's pretty crazy. It's wild. And I should have noted but the crocodile had done a few death rolls at this point. So his other leg like his other knee has been dislocated and like shattered as well now. Both legs are jelly at this point and he's missing one finger. So he's able to get himself out of the water. He's got scratches on his mosquito bites. Yeah. So now he's like really close to dying but he gets like another chance begins yelling again and he's just saying help crock help crock and 300 meters away at albatross pub. Raelyn Motton had just stepped outside probably cutting the edge off from the looming worksheft she's about to do start smoking her cig and just across the river starts hearing stops hearing the frantic words help crock help crock. So she runs into the crock needs help out there. She runs into the brush and she yells to Todd and she says don't worry love help is on the way which gave Todd hope and a second will to survive. So she runs back to the pub and found a man named Kevin Bevin who was ironically was ironically nearby searching for his lost dog. What. And she tells him hey like there's someone in the river down there they're yelling like something about a crocodile they need your help they're on the other side. So he he's in his car he drives across the bridge as fast as he can starts running through the bushes until he goes down and he sees his friend Todd halfway in the water. No way. Just like Kevin Bevin. You know what you should ask let's just play what he's like for you. Kevin's like oh I'm just looking for me dog scratch scratch. Dog dog. It's pretty close here you go. I've gone under and I've turned back around again and it was only like there's only like this deep. It was only about right foot just over a meter deep four foot deep. So I've managed to scramble back up again and pull myself out of the water up here and I'm holding on and I'll start yelling out again help croc help croc. And next minute I heard this voice the pub albatross pub was about 300 meters away and a lady named Raylene Motton she's come out for a Dury or a beer I'd come out for a Dury you know pub that's a cigarette yeah I'm at help croc and she's come over and I heard for the bushes I've heard helps come in love oh oh mate and that was my second wind I said I'm like fucking your beauty someone's coming a bike named Kevin Bevin he was driving through the pub car park he was looking for his dog funny enough and she's ran up to him and she she goes someone's in trouble crocodile I think and he's driven up around over the bridge Trunning Creek Bridge and he's coming around on the other side where I was of the creek and he's um he's coming from the bushes here and I'm holding on to this up here in water all my pants are hanging down my legs and he's like Toddy we do each other funny enough and I'm like Kevin he goes where's the croc I said some of my legs so he's come down and Kevin he's a bushman you know he's been around he's nothing fazes him too much he's coming down he's I'm grabbing him grabbing my arms he's the crocodiles that go because it was like shallow the crocodiles that go because obviously he startled him he's wiggling me around he's pulled me up he's dragged me up the bank there now about 10 meters from the bank I'm laying on my back I'm grabbing him I'm hugging him all my fingers hitting him in the face he's like get that finger out of your face and he goes there's a bitch your old fella off because of all my pants and I look down we started started laughing it was still there oh that's so good yeah so he says he bit your old fella off because Todd had been completely pants by this croc and so Todd like looks down he's like he's like no it's still there and then they just both start laughing which is just the funniest way to like rescue your friend I love him saying like where's the croc and he's like it's on me legs it's on me legs so confused by this show it honest the way it's set up it makes it look like he was just part of the audience the interview his story just like kind of took that took over the studio dude that's what it was there's like six other people in the audience who all told stories of how they almost died there's just other like random people like that guy with a circle head that was remarked I love that guy but anyways some spy kids so then he like pulls him out of the water right he says in a different interview that I saw he didn't know how to pull because there's a crocodile on his legs so he's like well there's a crocodile on his legs so you know I don't really know how to pull with a crocodile which is just like yeah we of course you didn't but then like the crocodile let him go they pull him up the bank a little bit and then the crocodile ends up coming back and like charging him again up the bank whoa and three like 14 or 15 year old teenagers had like come to the scene and started throwing rocks at it and it turned around again it's a determined crocodile holy cow yeah that's the survival story of it an ambulance came rushed Todd to the nearest hospital where he began the long process to recovery and in total Todd ended up having to have 14 procedures so that's primarily on his legs his knees were like completely dislocated tendons torn bones shattered and then also he was missing his finger which got amputated from like the middle knuckle up his pants the doctors told him that that they're pants it's like that cop who arrested scottie shuffler and that's destroyed pants were destroyed completely destroyed that's terrible doctors said they were unsure if you'd ever be able to walk again he also for a while wasn't even able to use a wheelchair because his finger had been ripped off so he just kind of was like a vegetable for a while what not vegetable sorry that's not i mean i'm not taking sure i feel like you can still get a wheelchair going without a finger but i don't know well his hands like wounded sure you know what though but like your hand has to heal if your finger yeah like you don't know you can't be like i think you're right if i were a dot that's a good move by a doctor i would totally just undersell everyone's chances when they can't like someone comes in with a sprained ankle and i'm like things are looking pretty grim here no no if you're gonna make it so that way like you're just gonna always you know hit above your expectations kind of he's he really wanted to get back to his job it took him like a year recovery but he got back to his job and then 60 minutes was like really into just making him go up to crocodiles again so there's like a video of him in a dive cage surrounded by crocodiles and then also in 2020 he went to see the crocodile that had attacked him so the crocodile now named kevin Todd named him that was caught days after the encounter and was relocated to the drain tree wild zoo in cans so i think we almost went there we were close to going where he now has a girlfriend so he has a girlfriend which is sick good for him i mean it just proves the crop it's messed up but it proves like if you if you attack people fighting people outside of bars you'll get a girlfriend i don't think that i think that's the confidence is maybe a better word he fought someone outside of the bar and now he's got a girlfriend that's all i'm saying to me it means he was an incel and he was just attacking people because he just had all this frustration but now that he's got a girlfriend he's calmed way down he's chilled out well Todd seemed to think that he still had the aggressive killer croc in his eyes when he saw him and it is able to easily recognize kevin the crocodile because it was like a very uniquely yellow crocodile like i saw a video of him as pretty yellow saltwater crocodile and he thinks the crocodile might have recognized him too i'm gonna say probably not dude you didn't even get that close to him um and kevin bevin also went to the see the crocodile again at the zoo and he spoke to 60 minutes and they brought up that he won two bravery awards that he was given for helping his friend so i just wanted to play one more clip of him talking about his bravery awards he's he's so cool kevin bevin he has like the anakin braided ponytail thing but it's like right in the middle of his back of his head and like his intro on this video is just him riding a motorcycle which you know was his idea so i didn't pull him out to get a medal but um it's an onotope being selected to get them yeah something to pass down to the my daughter and probably her kids one day i suppose one of the highest medals you can get in it for being a hero and uh yeah pretty much it was a thing guys might have wouldn't be here today doing this yeah like jink jink saved me life oh no no problem i want to move dust really yeah so yeah they're just using over saving his life which is a funny little clip yeah so that's i mean that's the story uh do you guys have questions about any of it no i i'm just i'm i'm just gonna apologize for all the noise behind me but uh i don't have any questions i want to learn as much as possible about todd and kevin's friendship that's all i want to hear about do we have any news on dig dig oh dig dig yeah was he you so yeah he was so todd's like one of todd's mates as he says it ended up adopting dig dig i think honestly like todd loved his dog but i think he felt pretty ashamed about that part and just honestly couldn't face dig dig again so dig dig ran off he asked his friend to like go find him his friend found him and just took him in it's probably the right way for the best yeah maybe the bait bait bait to have been point was a pretty good point though so you guys might you was kind of a bad dog honestly yeah you know i'm not saying dig dig pro i don't know anything about dig dig i'm just saying we don't know everything so i'm not gonna judge do you think uh crocodiles like they have a preferred way in which they do the death roll kind of like a right-handed left-handed situation i think they like rollin right maybe i really think they would get like one direction they just defer to more often you know yeah yeah like a defense of lineman you're like on one one end or the other clockwise or counterclockwise clockwise yeah counter clockwise this i've been talking a while i'm you've done great at that point where i just slur no you're doing a great story and i do i want to shout out um sarah from all the sharks who actually did suggest this story at one point she was the other half of the team so yeah you know i didn't know that west suggested it to me because i was going to do an episode that i there's one a story i wanted to do and west was like oh yeah i was gonna do that one it has like a lot of detail behind it i was like you should do it then like just give me one where i can do bullet points so this was great yeah and she's she's the one that passed this along originally so thank you sarah yeah thanks sarah well should we go to categories let's do it i think we'd better all so first of all what would west and mike do i mean are you hitting it with the dog first of all i'm not hitting it with my dog um would you like how about this what if the dog ran up to the crocodile would you like allow that to happen or would you try to shoo the dog away if the dog naturally like ran and could have been a distraction would you have loud that i if maybe if it was dig dig and i'd only had dig dig for like three months on my own and hadn't really bonded yet but with like brice or poly no i would like try and get them away i think i'd like to say that that's what i think i would do yeah that that feels like what my instinct would be as well as just to get them away from there yeah yeah i honestly think like in my right mind that's what i would do but i think with my knee dislocated and my bones broken i honestly don't think i could keep my right mind and i think i would just for sure anything to try to get out of the situation but what i would do is since you said that he calms me down once he got a girlfriend i would just give him some little kisses on the mouth while he's eating my legs and like some nice just like pats and just be very sweet to him and maybe he wouldn't be so mad sure i don't think i don't think i said he calmed way down i think mike maybe said that but i don't think i took it to be true so that's what i would do do crocodiles have ears could you scratch them behind the ears they've entirely like that yeah that'd be tough to scratch them behind there then probably feel real good though uh if i still had my fishing pole with me i'd cast my hook right into its eyeball that sounds bad the crocodile is not gonna can you imagine yeah no that's a good one yeah all right or like cast it to your car and reel yourself back into your car or maybe like put dig dig on that on the hook and cast it into the river crocodile i'm not saying that's what i know this is what mike and west would do but i if i were if this were what would todd do that's what i would do if i were Todd all right um favorite pop on what you're actually supposed to do i do if you don't well we've done a few we've done like a couple where like eye gouging has actually worked but he tried that didn't work so yeah let's hear what you got the exactly kind of what you're just saying is like there are things that could work but they there's a good chance they won't so the main thing with any like big crocodilian is just avoiding the attack in the first place so not if you're in a place where there's a lot of saltwater crocodiles you need to be really careful being close to the water just all the time you kind of have to be on edge because this isn't like this is one of the animals that does kill a lot of people and there are places in australia where if you like swim or if you're too close to the water you have a pretty good chance of running into one so you just have to really avoid them in the first place because if they do get a hold of you like todd demonstrates here sometimes there's very little that you can do to stop the attack even hitting it with your dog well it is an interesting one too where like like he obviously i don't think he even had crocodiles on his mind he was like tunnel vision first fishing didn't expect it to be there and like i said they're ambush predators but it's just crazy like they're one of the most deadly animals on earth they're huge and he just walked like right next to it without even like seeing it for a second you know yeah yeah they just like hide it can be in any any body of water in saltwater crocodile territory and it wasn't even in the water like it's in the trees like it's scary it was a yellow one too probably a little more conspicuous it's like when you find a shiny pokemon he was probably excited for it if it was green he would have been like that's a crocodile but since it's yellow right i don't know what that is huge banana or something i don't know all right favorite pop pop gosh i keep saying gok Freudian slip you got it this word these are even close favorite pop culture use of an unconventional weapon this is a tough one for some reason my brain went to kung lao's hat in mortal combat he's got like the sharp hat that he flings around and that's pretty sweet doesn't odd job do that yeah yeah odd job oh that's probably the better earlier they're both good yeah i my brain initially went to anton sugar from no country for old men and the the cow stunt like the bolt gun for cows yeah that's a good one but my backup was um the microwave in gremlins when the mom puts one of the gremlins in the microwave it's a great scene amazing movie yeah mic made me think of that movie where they're like playing frisbee and then someone pulls out a frisbee with like razors on it the beach scene everyone needs to go watch that scene on youtube i want to say hot shots but i don't think that's right i i can't remember the name but he like very obviously like puts the real one away and like suspiciously pulls out this super dangerous looking one but people don't like even when it's coming at them they don't recognize it like really intense contest of throwing a frisbee back and forth between two like it's so awesome guys yeah my actual answer was going to be either the shoe that the reporter threw at george bush i just love that so much the two shoes or i think in the movie cliffhanger they use like the helicopter blades to kill someone pretty cool they do that in 28 weeks later too pretty that's right yeah it's a good move oh what about uh never mind it's fine i was gonna make another dweeby reference but i won't i'll refrain you know i think if he had any of those weapons he went to use dig dig probably not a time when you were surprised to bump into someone you knew so since i'm in brazil mine's actually like a story from brazil when i i came back here in like 2007 or eight with a friend and our first few nights we just like went out and went to a club and he ended up like hooking up with this brazilian woman just made out with her a little bit in this club and then she was just like texting him the rest of the time we were in brazil just non-stop and we went all over the country and then we came back to rio for our flight out and like rio's a city of i want to say it's like more than 10 million people i think and we went up to the the christ statue and she was up there and it was like the most surprising thing ever and i genuinely think she was so obsessed with my friend that she was like going up there multiple times to like because she knew that sooner or later we were going to go up it's like a tourist spot yeah but it was so shocking and both of us just like immediately hit and she didn't see us we saw her first but it was yeah it was pretty scary that's yeah that's kind of yeah it's kind of sad maybe that's the story it's a little bit sad from like all directions i think yeah yeah uh my brother so we went to the winter olympics in salt lake city back in 2002 in salt lake city we were living in renau so we had to drive all the way there and then as we were driving back my brother burst into a bathroom stall in wendover and just there was someone already in there was an unlocked stall so like already kind of an awkward circumstance and then it ended up being this kid that he knew from his high school it was like a really awkward like quick apology but then like oh wait a minute so they're like kind of we're standing there and he was like sitting on the toilet and my brother's like what's up what's up and then he left it was just like such a weird shocking like the last place you kind of expect you know in an unlocked bathroom stall and a gas station in wendover yeah really bizarre you know i don't have a great answer for this one i don't like my answer so okay unless i do when west visited me and guatemala that but like he it was intentional that he was doing that so i don't know if it counts but that's the most surprise to see someone i've ever been yeah all right all time you you or like anyone in movies or real life went from being calm to realizing like you're in real trouble uh i can start this one so for me it was driving from utah to montana late at night and my cousin just like when he drives he always swerves around a ton so he starts like heading towards the median and i was kind of like you know like okay this is fine and then we got like two feet from the median i'm like oh we're in real trouble and i started yelling and he woke up and then we just fished hailed across the entire highway for like both directions to like he saved it and we fished hailed and then he had to turn it the other way and fished hailed the other direction from like going off the road the other way and we just fished hailed like four times till we skidded to a stop and the whole time he's yelling don't die don't die don't die don't die and he didn't have a seatbelt on too so i feel like he would have like flown into me or something if we rolled but yeah yeah that's right jeez i'm gonna go we can do pop culture ones right yeah i'm gonna go with the midpoint of the movie parasite when it flips on its head into kind of the back half thriller of the movie where they're all hanging out in the house and everything's going well like obviously they're not doing it good things but they're kind of ingratiating themselves to the family and it's all working out for them and then all the sudden it's like oh we're this house is like we're not alone here kind of thing and it gets real spooky and tense from there out but i just thought that's probably one of the best moments in movies of the past million years i would say you can't just say ever well i just don't want to page in my i don't want to pay myself in that corner you know uh so i actually because again because i'm in brazil i'm picking a story from that same trip that i just told you guys about so me and this friend had had kind of this whirlwind trip and we were down we were like on a total budget we had hardly any money we were down to like our last little bit of money we're trying to find a really cheap taxi to the airport and we were asking everyone like what the cheapest they could do and this guy was like i'll do it for 30 hey eyes which is the brazilian money to take us to the airport like great unmarked taxi we weren't thinking and i get in and i'm feeling real calm because i feel like i finally got a taxi for the amount of money i had and then i started getting really worried because he was on a radio and like i knew portuguese and i don't think he knew that we knew portuguese and he was like telling people that he was bringing us there and all this stuff and i was worried we're gonna get taken somewhere and like killed but then he goes to the airport and i get like calm again and then as we're leaving he's like oh it's 30 hey eyes per kilometer and we've driven like 30 kilometers or something and we're just like oh we don't we don't have that we're we can't pay you that and he said well i have i have a gun in my glove box and i'm gonna shoot you and i said okay well i have more money in my bag i need to get into my bag and he opened up the trunk and we grabbed our bags and just ran into the airport whoa yeah it's so scary yeah anyway that was like the most scared i think i've ever been in brazil actually man their mind but it was did you pay him scared no we just ran into the airport yep yeah but give him the no he threatened to kill us no i was just curious yeah no left any do you think he had a gun maybe rob did throw some through the window actually but yeah i don't know if he actually had a gun or not but it he was trying to shake us down for sure yeah because that would have been an insane amount of money for a cab ride like 900 hey eyes you've never been shot before right i've not been shot no how do you think you would have handled it not well it would have been bad probably yeah i would have handled it a lot worse than Todd handled getting attacked by a crocodile that's for sure i have two other questions here i added did west listen to either the altitude episodes we did without him no but i'm going to you are listening to the one we did like two months ago i do really want to listen to it because so many people were saying that it was totally unhinged and off bill is so bad dude yeah he's fired he one of his stories was like one feet deep yeah he did a bad job on that one i think overall he did a great job but the main task at hand he did a bad no he did a great job he's gonna have his work cut out for him on this you know so we'll hire him if you if you like our message you feel like you want to support us or if you just want that extra content go to patreon or apple subscription go listen to our two altitude highest attack and lowest attack ever stories and just a ton of content on there so there's our patreon plug and message me and let me know if they're good yeah let west know if it's worth this time um do you guys have a podcast episode that you want to recommend i can start since no since i didn't prep you on this just any podcast episode you listened to recently like i've been doing a lot of sports ones but i'm gonna do just national park after dark had a really funny one star reviews of national parks episode that that was really funny like they found one star reviews of the national parks and then i've read some of those before it was really good yeah it was really funny so yeah i recommend that i'm gonna recommend a podcast that i'm guesting on this month that's coming out soon but it's podcast i just absolutely love which is too scary didn't watch and a nice thing is you can type in two to and it's either going to be our podcast or their podcast that comes up first which is great they just did their review of weapons which is probably my favorite movie the year and i laughed through their entire review and um it's more of a recap than a review the whole podcast format is like sammy who's been on our show multiple times won't probably have on for halloween again sammy loves horror movies but um the other two girls don't and so they henley and emily they have sammy tell them the plot of the whole movie and it's kind of just like a fun way for scary cats that don't like watching scary movies to still learn about scary movies i really like it's a really good for idea they're all three very funny yeah on tooth and claw reddit i saw someone saying we gotta go listen to your episode you guessed it on or that so oh is it out oh nice oh yeah it must be cool yeah i'll go with i i feel like every once in a while it bears mentioning that we were heavily inspired by a show called the watchables we've brought it up a few times but uh this being the 50th anniversary of the movie jaws but they had already talked it's a movie podcast i guess i'll start there but they did they did an episode on jaws two which is not a great film but still pretty good i'll defend it really fun film in a lot of ways but their episode made watching the movie just a hundred times better because they're just it's the most fun and the funniest show they've put out in a long time in my opinion and i love everyone involved in that show so i love that shout out rewatchables yeah i love them too all right and then i have some listener questions is a dela 96 wants to know what's your 2000th favorite animal i was thinking when i read it first i read favorite animal in the 2000s though so let's do it that way i'm changing a question it's the year 2000 what's your favorite animal like what's my actual favorite animal in the year 2000 yeah when you were in the living in the year 2000 what was your favorite animal probably a great white mine was a jaguar i had a big penguin stretch just like an adelaide penguin so i think that's probably around the age when i was having yeah my two thousandth favorite animal is a ladybug um dude that's so low ladybugs are so cool dude i love hitting me right now i thought it was pretty good for a bug to be that high that's like top 50 for me where is carmen sd as uh favorite 2000s one hit wonder where is carmen san diego is what that is i i mine's easy for me and it's like the most generic answer possible but i legitimately loved it was all star by smash mouth i love that song and i thought the music video was so fun and i know it's like a joke now and played out but like i legitimately that was like my song for a little while sat in the 2000s i feel like that's what i was 98 or 99 well if not alienant farms my backup oh there you go smooth good get on to you kyle cornell 18 s did you guys wear the white t-shirt with polo top like every guy in the 2000s yes i did i wore a white t-shirt with an american eagle polo shirt a lot just like i played my t with a polo yeah i never wore a polo at once in my entire life i was very counters i never once did the popped collar on a polo though i always hated that my friend did it and he was the cool kid at school but i was kind of like i don't know if you're really doing a good job with the whole cool kid at school title that we've been grudgingly giving you l a downs ask you can bring sorry you can bring any permanently closed store slash company from the 2000s back what are you doing uh sam goodie i used to love going up and down those i don't know if that counts as 2000s specific i think that i think that works i minds along the same lines it'd be blockbuster i just want like maybe rental scores back just being able to like walk and see a bunch of that stuff was nice yeah no i'll go i'll go with that i i couldn't think of a good uh elliot duke asked i eyebrow piercings yes or no todd and our story had a eyebrow piercing in one of the videos i thought it was kind of cool i'm not i personally don't love them but i if you want to get one what do you think say i'm all for it let's say for a guy on your face where's the coolest place you can get pierced i like a septum piercing on guys yeah we're in nose ring i like the tom de long like kind of side bottom lip piercing that was always cool to me for when i saw blink videos and stuff yeah i'm i'm all for eyebrow piercings though like i don't think i would ever do it but i think it's i think it's a pretty cool look last one hawz hawks 40 was avril levine punk i say no i think she was just hot topic yeah i mean kind of a genre i guess as someone who was like thought i you know i was pretty into the punk scene back then even though a lot of what i listened to would be considered pop punk i listened to a lot of like real punk too and i think in both of those worlds even in pop punk people didn't see her as an actual punk artist she was like a mainstream recording artist that was kind of putting on a punk facade but i also think that whole world of like trying to define what's punk and what's not punk is i think that's stupid so genre gatekeeping is it's not just but i do i don't think avril levine is punk yeah i do think like a lot of the bands considered punk like fall apart when you really pick it apart like the mainstream ones like a lot of them kind of sold out if we're being honest and that's not very punk and a lot of them by design like blink 182 they're from the start they're like we're trying to be a huge commercially successful band you know yeah exactly the way i think about i think genres are important in as much as if i type punk into spotify or something i'm not gonna want to see avril levine at the top of that list that's not what i'm looking for you know right so but i'm not i'm also not gonna be like she sucks because she isn't punk yeah i actually like a lot of her music if someone said like hey i like punk music and i said oh what bands do you like and they the first one they said was avril levine i roll the tough ones yeah i was a bit like no you know i agree but i don't i think that she has an argument both ways yeah like i sure and she has an argument of not being like pop but then i had think she has an argument of not being punk and i don't know yeah no she has a really interesting career trajectory navigating through all like the major label nonsense she got the nickel back guy and the sum 41 guy oh yeah so cool who would you pick between those two weren't skater boys i guess no he was the sum 41 guy i would probably pick him but i don't know chatting you think avril levine is um what's the it's like the whole conspiracy when she got replaced a couple of years into her career you believe that no don't they look so different west they're different people it's so obvious well that does it for this episode of tooth and claw podcast thank you everyone for listening and west we miss you thanks jeff i miss you too i'll be back soon as sooner sooner than you think two weeks it's like a threat it's a little longer than i thought on yeah it's a whole month here so yeah oh good so we can expect you to be recording in your little isolation chamber next time promise next time it'll be better i thought i had it all worked out here and i should have just recorded in my car or something sorry guys but i promise yeah it's fine it'll be better and yeah i'll figure it out all right so i think jeff that was great what do we always say mike we love you everyone who listens we love you sincerely it's like not we're not joking we're not just saying it it's true pure love that we feel from the bottom of our hearts right yes right guys yes no it's like we always say enjoy the view that's right but watch your back that's what we always say all right just love you guys love you see ya you