Episode 88: UFOs & Alien Implants with Steve Colbern

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Steve is a chemist, material scientist with over 20 years of industrial experience. He is currently working in the areas of carbon naminal tubes. From 2008 to 2014, Steve has analyzed several alleged alien implants that Dr. Roger Lear removed from his patients and has uncovered some very interesting findings. He has also analyzed alleged UFO crash debris and other physical evidence found in and around UFO experiencers of alien contact. Hi Steve, welcome. Well, I'm ready to be here. I really appreciate you taking the time. I'm fascinated by this. This may be one of the areas where we actually can get some physical evidence. Yeah, this is a very interesting corner of the UFO community, you know, it's the kind of physical evidence that I think we've been waiting for yet it's not really talked about very often. This is sort of something off in the side. And I know you worked with Dr. Lear and had a chance to analyze some of his implants and remove them from people who claimed they were implanted during an alien encounter. Can you tell us the kind of things you see in these implants? Well, they're often they're often covered with a layer of epithelial tissue, or a gray membrane that's very hard to cut that conducts electricity. And the epithelial tissue that covers some of them is out of place in the body. It's, you know, within being a pasta skin where it's not supposed to be. And there's generally a layer of calcium rich and phosphate rich material that seems like a biological hard part. It looks like mother of pearl or or bone under the microscope. And it presumably has enzymes in it that that cause the formation of the the outer layer, the the implants have proprioceptor nerves growing into them, which are also anomalous. They're usually nervous that tell the body what position that that particular part is in. And presumably those nerves connect the device to the nervous system. And there's bundles of carbon nanotubes that I think are the main wires to the device that connect to those nerves. Of course, the device is usually meteoric iron or some alloy of meteoric iron with ordinary iron. And on at least one of the the objects, this alloy apparently had a very modified crystal structure and contained a lot of carbon nanotubes well dispersed. And it was incredibly hard and incredibly strong. We need diamond tools to cut it. I usually cut the implants in half the core in half when we're doing the analysis to see the interior. And usually you can cut it with pair of wire cutters, but I couldn't cut it and told Dr. Laird that I couldn't cut this thing. And he took it to a machine shop and the guy at the machine shop tried to cut it with diamond tools and couldn't cut it. And he said that scared the heck out of him. They're working on alloys like that with carbon nanotubes and earthly science. But we haven't really perfected it yet. This apparently is old technology to the aliens. And carbon nanotubes, by the way, are the world's strongest known material. So you can reinforce in theory, at least other materials with them. So this is clearly not just a piece of metal that you got as a kid that went in their foot that was from a nail or something like this is obviously an advanced technology for sure. They're either pure media, the cores usually are either pure meteoric iron or meteoric iron alloyed with alloyed with some other element usually iron. They also give off radio signals before moving from the body. So they're actual they're actual devices. And inside the inside the metal in these things is bundles of carbon nanotubes that presumably act as the electronics for the device as carbon nanotubes also have interesting electrical properties. Some are some are highly conductive metallic carbon nanotubes and some are semi conducting and the semi conducting ones you can use to make diodes and transistors and in theory, computer systems and such. So these things could be tiny, tiny super computers for all we know. Is it possible that it's our technology that maybe this is a human thing? I doubt it. Everybody, everybody that I've shown this to you that is technologically savvy thinks that that's beyond our technology. If it were our technology would have to be black project all the way and at least 100 years in advance of what have anything we have. Well, it's really interesting that the people that bring these to Dr. Lear, who did bring these claim they already have had an experience where they remember being implanted by an alien encounter. So I can't believe it's our technology for that reason alone, because just everybody that's that's ever come to that came to Dr. Lear and wanted an implant removed remembered aliens, remember government personnel putting them in. Right. Is there anything else that points to this being of alien in nature? Well, yeah, the isotopes, you can do isotopic analysis on the elements and objects to, to try to see where it came from. And there's a characteristic pattern of isotope amounts in each element on earth. If the ratios of these isotopes, that's nuclear with different numbers of neutrons and the same number of protons, if the ratios of these isotopes are off by more than a percent or so, then it came from off planet. Some of these things were had isotopic ratios so skewed that we think that it came from a different part of the galaxy, we're let alone from the solar system. You know, what's amazing is I think that came right out of the Corbel film that you were featured in Project 17. That nano physicist Christopher C. I think is how he's he's credited in the film. He stated incredible things at the end of that movie where he said he flat out says, this is an astounding number of elements. I have no idea who would make such a thing. It's very complex that he's never seen it before. And specifically what you're talking about, Steve, he pointed out that the isotopic ratios to him pointed out that it could not be from our solar system. Not even like it's a meteor or something that came from the moon. He said it could not be from our solar system. Right. The isotopic ratios on planets in the solar system are off from Earth from Earthly ratios, but not by that much, not nearly that much. And there's there's so many different elements in these things that that's unusual in itself, like the one that came out of my toe contain 56 different elements, as I recall, and that's highly unusual. And yeah, Nanaman or, you know, Carbell called him Nanaman when I was associated with him, thought that it was was less conservative than I was about what these things might be. And yeah, I agree with that totally that it probably can't the material probably came from a different part of the galaxy. And I noticed that isotopes with the higher numbers of neutrons were overrepresented. So that probably indicates that that the materials came from closer to the center of the galaxy where there's heavier mass supernova, all these heavy elements are many elements heavier than iron or manufactured in supernova explosions. And in theory, the bigger the star, the higher the neutron flux during the explosion. And you should in theory, at isotopes with higher numbers of neutrons with heavier stars and heavier supernova explosions, and those would occur more often near the center of the galaxy. So Steve, what's the problem here? You've analyzed this, this is your field. The nanophysicists analyze it. And you guys are saying this couldn't even be from our solar system. So why is this not, you know, front page news? And why is not mainstream scientists saying, Oh, my God, what, what could this possibly be? Oh, I think it's just because the government doesn't want to talk about, I self published a couple of papers on the implants and I was expecting the press to be alerted and reporters to be at my door, but the silence was deafening. It's incredible. It was several years ago. And just now, just now that people are taking an interest in this, even even a lot of people that are that are debunkers are being debunked themselves. When this comes to light saying that, you know, this is a heck of a lot of data he's put out there to just dismiss, I was using state of the art equipment. And I don't think anything like this has ever been done before. And civilian science, I'm sure the government has a lot of analysis like this. But it's all classified. I'm surprised that Nana man was willing to come to the fore and make those conclusions publicly. Agreed. And it seems to me exactly what we're looking for, Steve, we want physical evidence. This is the kind of proof that this community has been pushing for. And I wish people would pay more attention to it. Maybe they will now because this is what we're looking for. Yeah, we need to take a break here, Steve, we come back, we're gonna ask you if there's been any follow up with these patients to see if there's been any repercussions from the alleged aliens in response to, you know, having these implants removed, I would think they would probably react negatively to that. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the I heart radio and coast to coast AM paranormal podcast network. Thanks for listening to I heart radio more Captain Ron and Beyond Contact will be right back. Take us with you anywhere. This is the I heart radio and coast to coast AM paranormal podcast network. Thanks for listening to I heart radio. And coast to coast AM paranormal podcast network. Now here's more Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. We're back on Beyond Contact speaking with Steve Coldburn about alien implants. Steve, do you know has anyone ever followed up with these patients that have had these things removed and you know, has there been repercussions from from Yes, there have been first to react to what you said before. I mean, yes, we need to go beyond beyond just anecdotal evidence and people's stories to concentrating on the physical evidence that we have. And there's a considerable amount these people that say that there's no physical evidence of this. I don't know what they're talking about. But as far as repercussions, yeah, there have been some repercussions. I know that patient 16, I think there's been some repercussions. I know that patient 16 went into a deep depression after the implant was removed. And I can't help but think that it was related to the device being removed from his nervous system. I remember the aliens telling me during the experience that removing an implant in the brain would probably be fatal because the nervous system grows to depend on it or function with it somehow. Well, how many of these do we have? Did Dr. Lerr take out 17 implants? Yeah, yeah. Where are those now? I analyze I think by I'd rather not say where they are now but no worries. He had most of them but I had a few but Okay, well, but obviously they're still safe and and available is the question. Yes, they are. Okay, so if that's the case, then don't you think we maybe have has there been new technology that we've developed technology has been advancing so fast recently, it seems like there's probably new technology to analyze these perhaps we could get even stronger evidence. Oh, yeah, no, no doubt. I mean, there's technology that's become available in the last 10 or 15 years. It's not common, but it's available at the national labs and at some of the better equipped private labs. I think we'd want to go beyond just elemental analysis and conventional scanning electron microscopy, and actually, actually use fast atom bombardment to etch off layer by layer of these things and see what's and map the elements in them. Layer by layer is the networks of carbon nanopropyl is the electronics of the device are three dimensional. I think that we should do more research on the objects before they're removed from the body and analyze some of these signals that they have off. I think that's the other big question, Steve, is anybody picking up the mantle? I mean, Dr. Lear passed away in 2014. I don't know of another surgeon that's really picking this up. Do you? There was a guy in Alaska that did a couple of surgeries, but I don't think he's really picked up the mantle and done a whole bunch of them or anything. Dr. Lear was kind of one of a kind. I wouldn't be surprised if any doctor that tried to do this again would be leaned on to stop. I know Dr. Lear had some problems with some unjustified problems with the authorities over this. They tried to trump up some charges against him and tried to lift his license and stuff. They weren't successful, but it was all harassment based on his research. I can imagine that I just feel like this is an area that we could I'm surprised they're not coming after the implants like an organization like Arrow or somebody would be coming after that trying to get that is the limitation that it takes money to do this too. It's expensive to get these kind of tests. Oh, yeah, I mean, money's tight right now. And each if you pay for an analysis like ICPMS inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry, which is a sensitive elemental analysis, trace element analysis that we've done on the cores of these devices as a routine thing, I've got a protocol for analysis of these things. And that's, that's one of the last steps. And each one of those analysis is like five analysis like 500 bucks, if you send it out may have gone up in price since then. Sure. It costs thousands of dollars to do this research. And big donors are I think being encouraged not to contribute to this kind of research. It's really kind of fall into the wayside. You do not hear about this at all. Now you've looked at five of these you mentioned. Are these implants very similar? Or are they distinctly different? Like would you guess that they were from the same type of alien doing the same type of? I think so. A lot of them are similar. But there are some that that are quite different. The type I mentioned with a metal core and either epithelial tissue around it or that gray, hard to cut, electrically inductive membrane. And those have meteoric iron cores, like I said, and there's also different types. There's a type that that moves around inside the body using, using tiny cilia really streber has one of those in his ear. Right. A Dr. Lerma from Texas tried to remove it and got a little piece of it. And that's how we know that they have cilia. Dr. Lerma was going to remove it, but it really changes mind. And so another patient took its place. But so far we have not successfully removed one of those. There's also a biological implant that Dr. Lerma found on one occasion that was under ladies flight attendants, the skin of her forearm, and it would move around into the skin. It was like the size of a small pea. He said it would it would move within a prescribed circular area about maybe three inches in diameter, and would follow your finger. If you put your finger above it and move it slowly. See, what else could do that? I don't know. It had a not that much analysis was done on it. Unfortunately, it had a it had a cellular structure. But Dr. Lerma said the cells were much smaller than the human cells. And it was alive, apparently. But that's about all we know about it. He said it was like a clam, like a like a bivalve, and had ridges on it that presumably enabled it to move into the skin. Well, I was hoping and closing its shells or whatever. Interesting. You know, if these are indeed alien, what do you suspect that they're for? Are they tracking devices? Are they checking biofeedback? Are they controlling people somehow? I've been directed to mention there's brain implants to you that they that they put in usually through your nose. Willie Strieber mentioned that in this book communion. Those can be used to in my opinion to at least partially control people they can they can implant suggestions that are very difficult to ignore because the subject almost always thinks it's their idea. And they're they're all tracking devices or a pair of B and I think a lot of them a lot of measure physiological information like kind of like the instruments we put on astronauts blood sugar, body temperature, movement, things like that. The ones that move around in the body are we're not I'm not sure what what those do exactly. But it's probably that something to do with communication. They go off radio signals whenever you're talking about aliens are going to UFO conferences, things like that. That's what I've heard from several people. Well, that's interesting. It's also a big thing in the in the folklore or whatever and traditions from people who have had an experience. They do say that it's gone right up my nose. They stuck something in my nose. That's like a common reoccurring thing that I've heard many times. Have any of these patients ever have you heard them say what they think it does? Well, I probably have one or more myself. They're they're very difficult to detect. You can't see them on x ray because they're made of a conductive polymer. I analyzed one of those one time that somebody gave me that it that didn't get up into the brain and it was sneezed out by the subject. Oh my gosh. I remember them telling me that they were made of a conductive polymer and I confirmed that by the analysis that it was organic and conducted electricity. They had it as a membrane that dissolves and then the inner part is a conductive polymer that I suspect uses material from the body to grow tendrils all throughout the brain. All of these have some piece of metal at the core though, right? Either metal or a conductive polymer. Yeah, they have a conductive material at the core. And you can detect them with a stud finder metal detector. Wow. When we come back, we're going to ask Steve about other physical evidence that he's maybe examined in and around the UFO topic. You'll seem to be on contact on the I heart radio and coast to coast AM paranormal podcast network. 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And there was a lot of rare earth elements in them. And I know that they're experimenting with that, allowing aluminum with rare earths now to increase the strength and and alter its properties. And I've analyzed a piece of metal that came from that allegedly came from a UFO that landed in the Andes Mountains. UFOs in trouble often emit molten metal. I think there's a there's a homopolar generator aspect of these like three different methods to create anti gravity thrust. But one of them is a ring of rotating molten metal around the the edge of the craft in a magnetic field. That the craft has mechanical difficulties. And some of the jettison some of this metal and this metal turned out to be an alloy with iron and silicon. I think the silicon is most likely in there to lower the melting point and maybe to alter the electrical properties as well. One of the samples from the Santa Augustine UFO crash was interesting in that that most of the samples had a bunch of elements in them. This one this one was almost pure aluminum and and made sparks when you put it against a grinding wheel. Regular aluminum didn't do that. It just kind of kind of melts and yeah, yeah, this this this piece of aluminum was nearly pure aluminum. And I suspect it was a aluminum metal with an almost perfect crystal structure. That's one of the things they're experimenting with to increase the strength of metals in earthly science. It's interesting, you know, we hear about all these different types of physical evidence from implants to alleged pieces of UFO craft. As you mentioned, that comes up now and then to Mark's left behind like an alien handprint or even soil samples where we had Yeah, I had I had a five finger handprints on my bedroom wall and my my house and my old house in Fillmore, California. And Barbara did too, actually, in her old apartment. There's alien indelible dies that are usually left behind after an alien alien experience. And they floresce floresce brightly under shortwave UV and take weeks to come off. So they're pretty characteristic. I can say that analyzed. I tried. It's so hard to get off the substrate that it's hard to get enough in solution for a good analysis. But I got a good fluorescent spectrum on the blue dye. There's a blue dye, a green dye, a yellow green dye, and an orange dye that are commonly seen. I got a pretty good fluorescent spectrum on on the blue dye. And that tended to indicate that there was an indel ring in it, which that's found in the amino acid tryptophan. It's also found in certain hallucinogenic drugs like psilocybin or LSD. So it's possible that they use this material to increase their telepathic control over people, or it might be a drug of some kind, or probably a disinfectant. It seems to have some medical use anyway. This blue dye. It's very interesting that there is this physical evidence, these little trace evidence cases that seem to again be underrepresented. What do you think of all these different types, you know, and even there's radiation often detected? Of all these different things, what do you think is the strongest physical evidence that we have that you could point to that there is an alien presence? Probably the implants. They're actual actual sophisticated nanotechnological devices that most people say are beyond that have seen them will say they're beyond this that are beyond our technology. So I'd say that they were definitely that strongest physical evidence we have thus far. But there's a lot of other evidence. I mean, any experiencers out there that are listening to this podcast, all you have to do is get a stud finder from a store, a small metal detector usually used to detect nails and walls, and a shortwave ultraviolet light usually used for finding fluorescent minerals. And you can find some physical evidence of your own, you can detect implants and also see when you when you've had recent alien contact by the dyes left behind on your skin. I get a lot on me. I can send you a couple of pictures if you like. For sure. That's fascinating. Now, you mentioned that you had this experience where you saw, I guess, an alien handprint on your wall. Dr. Lear came over to my film warehouse and did a thorough walkthrough and analysis with his instruments. And one of the first things we found was a couple of four fingered handprints, child size four fingered handprints on the wall right next to where I sleep. That's scary as hell. Yeah. Yeah, photograph that as well. He was blown away. I mean, there were also one other piece of physical evidence is that things that don't normally magnetize give off magnetic fields alien equipment apparently gives off a type of magnetic field that will cause organic material and other things to magnetize the things that don't normally magnetize things like aluminum stainless steel wood. We have wooden spoons in your kitchen become magnetized. That's correct. Yeah. I mean, that's bizarre right there. Yeah, it is. I blew Dr. Lear away. And the magnetic fields in these materials that are that are abnormally magnetized seem to seem to decrease over a period of weeks. So it doesn't last forever like with ordinary magnetic material, but it's very interesting. I suspect it's some sort of a mag. It's either an ultra strong magnetic field or some sort of a magnetic monopole or a field with one one type of pole stronger than the other. It does that. Now has anyone come to analyze that or kind of try to figure out what's happening? No, I speculate that the magnetic field that they're using magnetizes the fabric of space itself and that kind of soaks into objects around it and then leaks out over time. But that's I've never heard anybody else come up to any theories about it. Like, did you save any of these artifacts? Like, did you cut out that piece of the wall with the handprint? Did you? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you did. So you still have that? Well, it was stolen a few months back, but I had no, I wish I were. Oh, God. But do you have the other things like the spoons or any of these things that we could still have checked? Well, I monitored them for quite some time, but the magnetic field goes away over about an eight week period generally. So there's nothing to find now. I see. And do you have any any guesses as to what could have caused this short term change? I mean, in the magnetic fields? Yes. Yeah, like I said, I think that the magnetic field that they're using is probably a magnetic monopole or at least a field with one pole stronger than the other. There's been some reports of that with amateur scientists that are into magnets. I think that it causes a magnetic polarity in the fabric of space itself and that that can soak into objects and give them a magnetic field and then soak out or go away over time. Have you seen these sort of anomalies in other cases beside your own? Oh, yeah, I've investigated several people's houses that are frequent flyer experience or shall we say? Right, right, which just tends to be the case. In fact, when we come back, we want to ask you more about that, Steve, if you would, we're going to ask you about more about your personal experiences regarding your ET contact, you're listening to Beyond Contact on the I heart radio and coast to coast AM paranormal podcast network. 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I stared at it for a couple of minutes and then blacked out and woke up after the sun rose about maybe 8am and had blood all down the front of me and Bailey remembered somebody putting something up my nose. Again, that's very common. We hear that time and time again. Yeah, and right after that, I right after that, like turning on a switch, I was interested in anything to do with space or aliens or UFOs. And you were not really. Well, not as much. Now, I mean, it became kind of a kind of a mild obsession after the impund and me, which I think is what they did. I just had a vague feeling that something was going on at night that I didn't know, didn't know about or couldn't remember. I was afraid of the closet and monsters under the bed and all that kind of thing. And maybe that's for real own experiencers. Sure. So then I remember when I was in my in my 20s, I had an experience where we had a vacation place in Bullhead City, Arizona. I was driving from barstow to needles on the last leg of the trip. I got about five miles outside barstow. Then the next thing I remember, I was pulling in the needles and didn't have any memory of the previous 200 miles driven. Then another time on the same highway, highway 40, I was traveling the opposite direction at night. The first experience took place in the daytime. I was traveling the opposite direction at night about, I think it was 1989. I looked at the clock and it was about 10 o'clock. Then I looked at the clock, what seemed like 30 seconds later, and it was one o'clock in the morning. I stopped at the nearest town, which is Ludlow, California and checked their clock just to make sure that there wasn't some screw up with my car clock or something. And indeed, three hours had passed that I couldn't account for. Again, that's a common thing in the in people's accounts. And it's interesting, this missing time element. Yeah, no time on the same road. A few months later, I saw a yellow glowing UFO must have been a quarter mile in diameter, it's probably the biggest disc shape one they make. It was paralleling the highway, not going very fast and cars were full, got it, it discharged several smaller objects, then finally disappeared behind the mountain. That was one of my best close up sightings. That's an interesting account. Sure. What was it like when you encountered beings? Did they appear like stereotypical gray aliens or was it something different? Yeah, stereotypical grays. I remember getting hypnotized, I regressed over that incident where I had the three missing hours. And I remembered under hypnosis that that they told me telepathic me to pull over and I pulled over after first trying and first hitting the gas and trying to get away from this UFO that was hovering over me. There's a strange phenomenon where they have a different personality track set up for you when you're with them. It's kind of like the movie Total Recall where Arnold had his Mars personality and his Earth personality that they'd put in there. It's like that with with alien abduction. That's why you don't remember it's because that you the memories are still there, but they're on a different personality track, they connect through the subconscious sometimes during dreams. But anyway, I pulled over and my second personality kicked in, they pulled I pulled over and an alien beamed into onto the pavement near the driver's side of the car where I stopped. Everybody has a handler, at least that's my understanding. This guy was was I believe my handler. And he said, you know, Colburn, somebody somebody at your level should know better than try to run from us. Wow. I go I'm sorry, sir, it took a while for my memory to kick in. And then he said, go with them and collect some samples. I walked off the road with a couple of worker grays and data UFO landed nearby. And there were a bunch of people in there they just collected from the LA area. I don't want to go into it too far. That's pretty kind of disturbing. That's fine. I just want to know, do you have an impression that they were biological, technological or something completely different? I think there are beings that have had technology for so long that they've messed themselves up with it and adapted to it. I think that the grays used to be like us, but but they've been messed up by exposure to radiation overuse of technology like genetic engineering and transporters. Like taken to an extreme. Yeah, taken to an extreme. I think the genetic engineering themselves to have a higher IQ and then eliminate emotion to facilitate having a having higher intelligence. They realized now that was a mistake and they're trying to get some members of their society that going to have emotions again. And that's You put that slightly different than I've ever heard before. And I think it it sounds like it resonates to me. I really do feel that's fascinating. Do you have a takeaway message that you perhaps got from them? They told me that this is a very important planet and it's very valuable. They don't want people messing it up. There's only four or five like it in the galaxy. Planets where there's some air and some water and some life are pretty common, but planets that are teeming with life like this that have millions of species are not common at all. And they don't want it messed up. They're very concerned about our nuclear weapons programs. And they've taken steps to control that behind the scenes. They also told me that most experienced are genetically modified. They have an MO where they have pregnant women from bloodlines are interested in and genetically modified. It'd be this Interesting. Have you had any other physiological ramifications from having these encounters? Yeah, I have cluster headaches, very painful migraine type headaches. And I reason to believe that it's side effect of a brain implant. The condition is as rare in the general population, maybe one in one in 1000 to one in 10,000 people out in the general population, but it's very common and experienced, or probably about 20 to 40% of experienced or is have the condition and they can trigger him at will to remember one time when Dr. Lear and I were going to this this ladies house to in San Diego to analyze her place and try to find some physical evidence. She called us up and said that she had it she couldn't make it because she had a cluster headache. I remember thinking that when I had, before I learned how to treat them, I remember thinking when I had one of those headaches that shoot even morphine wouldn't touch the span. And sure enough, she said the same thing that they took into the emergency room, you ever morphine and didn't help. Incredible. Do you do you think that overall you've had anything that you would consider positive from these encounters that they affected you in a positive way at all? Well, I think I know a lot of things that most people don't know, but it makes it hard to to fit in down here with other people. It's like being a different subspecies or something. A lot of people have said the same thing that I've talked to at conferences. There's some positive aspects to it. You get to fly in space, even though you don't remember it very well. A lot of these objections take place in orbit on great motherships. I suppose that's a positive aspect to it. But in general, it's, it's mostly negative, I guess. I'm sorry that I don't, I don't mean to portray myself as a victim or experience or as victims in general. But it's like we're part time slaves, they want to they want our help with their program. They need to take better care of us if they're gonna wanting your help or demanding of your help. It sounds more like the letter. You have no choice. I mean, they can, with their telepathy, they can make you do anything they want to. That's one thing that really scared me when I first got regressed is that I would do anything these people said when I was under that state. All the more I think that we wouldn't get disclosure officially from the government if they know that this is what's happening because that's scary beyond all hell. Well, that's, that's why, as they're experts at mind control. I mean, if they can, they can implant suggestions and if they're within a certain distance, they can make you do anything that they want you to do. They come into your bedroom at night, take you and come into our cars and we're driving places and that darn well could cause panic. I would think so, Jesus. Then again, people can only panic for so long. I think they should have come clean on this in 1947 after Roswell. I agree. All right, Steve, we're out of time, but I really, really appreciate you sharing all your insights. It's absolutely fascinating stuff. I think that implants is something we need someone to take up the mantle and pick up where Dr. Lear left off. I agree. There's an opportunity to get physical evidence that we need, you know, and maybe we can learn more about what they're doing and how they're doing it. I've tried to find a doctor that could help with this and so far, nobody's interested. They're too scared of their reputation and everything. I guess I can't blame them. I can imagine that, but maybe things are changing and I will certainly keep my radar up for such a thing, Steve. All right. Thanks, everyone, for listening. You can find Steve at alienevidenceinc.webs.com. Steve, what do you have a number you want people to reach out to? If anybody wants to scan for alien evidence implants and evidence of recent alien contact, they can call me at 805-718-1118. We can scan you with an ultraviolet light and stud finder and magnetometer and a couple other instruments. Awesome. Thanks, Steve. All right, thank you. You can find me at Twitter and Instagram at CITD underscore Captain Ron. Contact in the desert.com and stay open minded and rational as we explore the unknown right here on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Thanks for listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal podcast network. Make sure and check out all our shows on the I Heart Radio app or by going to I heart radio.com. This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.