The Bear and the Biker - A Roundup of Recent Animal Attack News Including Stories About a Bear and a Motorcyclist in Romania, Cowboy Cody's Raccoon Toss, and More

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It was like bottom of the list was bear by all. It was on the SeaMonkey's website, right? They had a bear biologist. The backup boys life. Diploma. Yeah, I think we all kind of end up buying our diplomas really at the end of the day. That's true. That's a good point. Yeah. And then we have Mike Smith who has a boring name. No words can even describe Mike besides he eats ass. And then I am Jeff Lawerson. Those are the few words that can look in sharp today, Jeff. Oh yeah. I got a new shirt. LL Bean. I don't think I've ever. Oh, that's a bean? You're wearing a bean? Nice. That's a main. That's their headquarters. I'm better. I haven't been to Maine if you don't bean it up. That's what they say. You haven't been to Maine? You didn't even see Stephen King while you were there, so I don't believe you were there. Or Pennywise. I might have. I saw like a thousand people that looked like him. Okay. Just 100 year old people crawling around the roads. Hey, is it cool if this episode is only like seven minutes long because it's 500 billion degrees in life? You guys are always acting like short episodes. I like talking. I know. I'll talk forever. I might die. I'm on Adderall. I want to just freaking talk. It's 100 degrees outside and you guys won't let me run my super loud AC unit during these recordings. You have a house so you can record it. Oh, it's so loud in there, Jeff. You have no idea, my guy. Hey, a quick apology. I was out of touch for a week floating a river in the desert and I think all, Jeff was in Maine. Mike was just kind of lost in his own thoughts. We forgot to tell people that we had a week off just baked into our schedule. We had a week off and we should have warned everyone about that. So sorry to all of you who were upset that there wasn't an episode that week. If you're ever just really jonesing for more content though, just go on to Patreon, sign up, check out our extra content on there. And if you don't like it, you can always, yeah, I know, but I'm talking about people that aren't on there. They're probably the most upset. They had the most reason to be upset. Yeah, I feel like we've given them an episode a week forever and then just... Yeah, we blew it. Messed it up. You know, you guys, you're getting to... I don't think people realize how hard our job is though. I don't think you realize how hard our job is. Well, on that note, so should we do it? Should we do our new story, our new stories for the month and a half? Yeah, I think we should say too, like pretty heavy on bears right now for the news. Yeah, it's bear season. Mine especially is very bear heavy. I got one bear story. Mike, do you have any bear stories whatsoever? I barely have any. Yeah. I don't think I even have one. I guess we'll see what that means. Well, I have three. Do you want to go first then? You want to do one of your bear stories right off the bat? What level of injury do you want? I want you to go hard to start. Okay, so July 3rd, Wes, yeah, what speed do you think on a motorcycle, what speed would a motorcyclist have to be at to be more likely to kill a brown bear than the bear killing him? You know what I mean? A brown bear? Yeah. Like if you hit the bear going five miles an hour, the bear's more likely to kill him than that's a good point. He is to kill the bear. Yeah, but I think there's a certain. 80 miles an hour? Yeah. I don't know. Because he's still kind of likely to die. Right. There's a certain speed where both of you are very likely to die. And then there's probably a speed where you're probably going to survive, but the bear might not. So I'd say like 40 miles per hour. Person's probably going to make it through that, but the bear is probably going to get hit too hard. They're pretty durable though. I feel like they're robust animals. You know, that's just a question I thought of. It's not that. Yeah, it's a hard one. I think we got to. It's not that relevant to the story. Okay. Omar Farang Zinn. Mike, do you want to comment on that? Well, I was just wondering, can humans survive a 40 mile an hour impact from a motorcycle? I just, I'm realizing right now, I have like no frame of reference for this. I feel like the person could get thrown and just kind of skid, you know? Like if you jumped out of a moving car at 40, I think you can survive. So I think a person could survive that. But I think getting hit with an object at 40 miles per hour. Your toast. Is going to do a lot of damage. And it's almost, it's not as bad as hitting a car at 40 miles an hour, but it's like pretty sturdy object. Like Isaac Newton, whatever is most. Yeah. Well, now that we're now that we're going into this, like a stationary object getting hit by something, all of that force is exerting on that object. But if you're like going 40 and you hit something and you continue going 40 miles per hour, then you're not like transferring all of your energy into one thing, you know? So I think that's like a lot safer for the person than the thing being hit. Can't these bears run almost fastest 40 miles? So if a bear ran into another bear at 40 miles an hour, that bear would probably hurt it. Yeah, they both die. The mass is a big factor in what you just said, Wes. Like if he was an elephant, it would like completely stop the bike as well. You know, totally. But I'm seeing, like in my mind, I'm seeing the bike hitting the bear and the person like flying over it, you know, like not the person flying into the bear. But if he's fast enough, he might be able to just run. Yeah, that's true. He could just like do his legs, pinwheel his legs in the air and hit the ground. One of the craziest things I've ever seen was a motorcycle hit a car in Guatemala and the guy did a front flip over the car and landed on his feet. That is cool. Nice. And he had to like sit down and like be like, am I okay? But he was. I wish he just lit a cigarette and walked away. That would have been a lot cooler. Well, anyways, Omar Farang Zinn, an Italian airport worker close to Milano, Italy. He was just recently vacationing on the July 3rd is when this incident happened, but he was vacationing on his motorcycle in Romania, which is about as cool of a vacation as I think you can have. He was in this area called the Transfar Garcian Road. Have you heard of that, Wes? No, my favorite. If you look up a picture of it, it looks a lot like the going to the sun road in Glacier. Cool. Super windy road up just beautiful, huge mountain and there's it's one of the best places in Romania to see brown bears. Nice. Now, online, and I think you've talked about this, but I always forget what you say, but Romania has like 10,000 to 13,000 bears is what they're reporting. Yeah, I think it's less than that actually, but it definitely has. Remember you saying something like that? Yeah, that's what they say. The most bears of any European country outside of like Russia. No, sometimes Russia's kind of considered Europe and Asia, but mostly Asia. So yeah, the most bears in any European country. It seems like the populations really popped off recently in the country wasn't really expecting it to. From what I was reading. Very cool because it's one of the best places, especially in Europe, but honestly in the whole world to see a brown bear is to especially like this road that he was in this park. So yeah, just imagine you're on like a motorcycle trip in Glacier National Park going to the sun road. So he's there a few days just having the time of his life and he was taking selfies with multiple bears every day, just like pointing at him or like taking a selfie and like posting that to, you know, friends, family, social media. And then on July 3rd, as if in a movie, he parked his bike right next to a sign that said, don't feed the animals. He got off, got some food out, got off and started, started trying to get a nearby female grizzly even closer to potentially, he had his phone out, so maybe he's trying to get a better shot, more exciting close up, you know, but he's trying to lure this bear in. And unfortunately for him, it worked like a charm. The bear came right up to him. Then it uses like huge claws, mouth, knocked him over, dragged his body across the road and down 260 feet of cliff. Wow. Where then it eventually, like he probably died from going down the cliff because they can go down pretty steep cliffs, like a lot better than humans. So it dragged him, I'm sure it like dropped him down a few cliff ledges and stuff. But when wildlife officials arrived, Omar was dead, and the bear was acting really aggressively towards them. So they also killed the bear. And there's a lot of talk right now about just like that area of Romania really needs, I mean, what people are proposing is to kill off like a third of the bears. Yeah. But wildlife experts in the area are like, well, why don't we start off with by like, having better bear management, like they're not doing anything to education, like in Yellowstone, Wes's job was to get bears away from roads deter bears, make them have like bad responses to humans. There's none of that going on in this area. The bears are like, definitely led into roads because they see that as a source of food from people traveling. And it feels kind of like early Yellowstone days almost where people just treating bears like they're not wild dangerous animals. And as we've said a lot, like get bear spray like in people's hands out there, you know, yeah, to be fair to like when when Yellowstone closed their dumps and stopped feeding bears, they did have to kill a lot of bears, like they killed hundreds of bears to kind of get rid of that that line of genetics of these bears that were food conditioned. And I'm not saying that's what Romania has to do. I agree with you that like better management and better education are the two things to start with, especially in 2025 when we have all of that knowledge. But I just wanted to make sure we weren't too quick to like point the finger at a different country and say like, oh, they want to kill bears. That's terrible because we've we've killed our fair share of bears in the past. This episode is brought to you by Hymns snoring, hogging the covers, tossing and turning. These are problems in the bedroom that Hymns can't help with. My problem is I'm going to bed at 8am again. I don't know what happened. 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It's pretty wild how bears really speaking of motorbikes, but they can do the hot rod fall and just like get up and walk away from it like nothing happened. Yeah, it's crazy to see that footage of like big cats or bears just tumbling down an entire mountain and just I think they could survive getting hit by that bike. I'm deciding they're tanking that easy. There are a lot of those videos where the bears die from a motorcycle. No, from tumbling down a mountain side. There have been bears that have died from motorcycles though. Sure. Yes. See, I feel like if you're saying just a helmet, like he doesn't have like padding or anything. Yeah, I don't think there's ever a speed where the are you saying? A helmet. A helmet. A helmet. More likely to survive than the bear. Yeah. I think it's like the list of things to hit on your motorcycle or like bad things. I think bears are pretty close to the top of that list. No, not even close to you. Bombs, acid, the president, bomb with volcanoes. Just a wall of magma. All right. I've got a fun story. You guys ready for a fun one? Yes, sir. All right. This first story features a guy named Cowboy Cody. And he lives on a little farm in rural Murray, Kentucky. And it seems like he might be a person that has a hard time battling intrusive thoughts when they come up. And I recently learned a definition for intrusive thoughts. Those are the thoughts that are telling you to do something against your morals, which I thought was an interesting way to define that. Anyway, in early June, Cowboy Cody decides to go to some local bars, wet his whistle a bit, but I think he's already had a few. And when he shows up at the Big Apple Bar and Grill, they decide not to let him in, which may seem unfair to you guys, but he has a bit of a reputation in this little town. He was previously banned from this very same bar for, quote, unquote, a drunken mule incident, which we're not talking a Moscow mule here. We're talking about the animal, the mule, and also, quote, unquote, bull whipping people in the bar. So, yeah, so he gets a little rowdy sometimes. Just this last winner for a second time, he led the police on a chase through town, but it wasn't exactly a high speed chase because he was on a mule, and it didn't take them very long to catch him and throw him in the drunk take with some lesser charges. So you might expect Cowboy Cody doesn't love that the Big Apple is refusing entry to him. And even though most of people know his history of being a rascal, the bar sends Mary Haffner, who's one of their most experienced and calm bartenders out to give him the news, and he says, oh, I see, they sent a pretty face out here to distract me. He's smart. He knows their tricks. Get anything past this guy. The plan does seem to work, though, and he leaves the bar and goes back to his car. And I'm sure everyone working at the Big Apple breathes this collective sigh of relief. But then he shows back up, and he's not alone. You see, earlier that day, he had caught a raccoon, and he's now holding this raccoon by the scruff, and it's really pissed off and scared. And he walks up to the door of this bar and throws this terrified raccoon into the middle of the bar, and then goes back to his car. Poor raccoon. I know. I think he probably imagined this raccoon just turning into the Tasmanian devil and shooting all over the place and causing a ton of chaos. And initially, that's not what's not at all what happened. Apparently, he's a video of this somewhere. I couldn't find it. Just took a seat at the bar all called. He thought he was throwing a grenade. Just ordered. Like a shot of whiskey. No, this raccoon's looking like pretty terrified. It's kind of hiding. It's trying to escape all these different patrons. But then one of the bar employees decides that he's going to take matters into his own hands. And Mary, the woman that we mentioned earlier, was like, hey, I know how to handle a raccoon. She's like Kentucky born and bred. Pretty face. And yeah. And this guy's like, no, no, I got it. And he runs up to this raccoon and grabs it by the tail. It turns around and bites him really hard on his hand. He lets it go. And Mary's like, I got this. She gets a towel. She corners the raccoon, throws the towel over it and takes it outside and releases it. And a quick side note here. If someone's ever bit by an animal like a raccoon or a bat or anything that's potentially rabid, and there's a way for you not to get rid of that animal, don't get rid of it. Because it's a lot cheaper and easier for the doctors to test the animal for rabies than it is to test you for rabies. Just so you know. All right. Cowboy Cody's gone. He's pulled over by police down the road. He refuses to roll down his window and talk to them. They managed to get him out of the car and he's arrested once again. It's his right to not roll the window. It's true. His mug shots are really funny because they all look absolutely identical, but his hair is like a little bit different in them. But it looks like someone just took like the same mug shot like four times. It is pretty funny on a more serious side, though. It doesn't sound like he's very good to his animals. He has like he had charges of animal cruelty with his mules. Obviously, wasn't very good to this raccoon. So I really hope that he learns his lesson this time around and manages to fight some of his demons and be at least be nicer to animals. I do think like as a like I'm a business guy. Always thinking business. As far as the bar owner, I think I'd want at least one person regular like named cowboy Cody. Yeah. Might as well. I mean, going to bars a lot of times it feels kind of dead. There's like not much entertainment. So it's like that guy's providing you free entertainment. Some people who went to the bar that night will be like, hey, we went I went to Big Apple today. Someone threw a raccoon in the middle of the floor. Like, you know, everyone they tell that to is going to that bar next the next. Yeah. Or like the friend is like, Hey, I noticed you're missing your left eye. And you're like, Yeah, this guy in the bar pulled out his bullwhip and started hitting people and it was pretty sick. All right, Mike, you got some for us. I guess I do. So this one, this one happened June 27 of this year. That's how news works usually are these news episodes work. I got this from standard dot co dot UK of all places, the the Brits are reporting on this one for me. And this one's interesting for a couple of different reasons. But in some of the stories that we tell, sometimes that initial encounter with the animal isn't even really the worst of it. Sometimes the effects that linger on afterwards are really what is going to cause cause the most problems for these people, such as the case for a young man named Beckham Reed, young man, he's two years old. I don't know when you become a young man. Not yet. You tell me that. I would say like 11, really? Yeah, that's when you become age of yeah. Yeah, I like that. Okay, so imagine you're the parents of two year old Beckham Reed, your little boy, he's outside in the backyard with his cousins. He's driving around on his electric toy car. You can you got that vision in your brain? Yeah, what kind of car you think he's got, Wes? A little Ferrari. You think these are like high roller. I'm not sure. Well, actually I do and we'll get it to the family's finances in a little bit. He was scooting around for a while, as usual, and then he accidentally runs over a yellow jacket nest inside like under the ground. You know how sometimes wasps will nest under yellow yellow jackets, especially nest underground, which I think is like kind of unfair of them to do because it's like I just you can fly. Why don't you put your nest somewhere where you're like, we're not going to step on it. Then you won't have to attack us. But nice and cool underground. Feels like being up would protect them more too. I'm not sure. That's what I would think. But up in a tree or up in a roof, like you just got to look out for birds. But down on the ground, you got to look out for birds, cats, foxes, coyotes, young men. The thing that we need to remember is they're not paper wasps, so they don't make a they can't make a structure like a paper wasp can. Yellow jackets are just nesting in like cavities. I don't I don't believe they're like building they can't make their nest. I don't think all I'm saying is that it's kind of like the meme of the guy on the bike who's like putting the stick through the spokes of his own bike and then it's mad when he falls over. It's like I just maybe don't nest in the backyard in the middle of a bike path. Right. But again, I'm not I'm not a bee. So a swarm of yellow jackets quickly covers him from head to toe, stinging him more than 150 times. Crazy. So his dad either who saw or heard what was going on in the backyard, he rushed out, he grabbed Beckham, hustled him into the house, and then they ran off to the emergency room. He and his wife with Beckham. And that was where the doctors administered morphine and benadryl. And then they actually sent him home because he appeared to be breathing normally. Everything seemed to be OK. And it was like, well, that sucked, but it's in the past, you know, we'll move forward and it's going to be a little sore for a bit. But they said we think he'll be OK. That's what they said. And then they looked at each other and kind of chuckled. He didn't understand. He can't even really speak yet. Can two year old speak? I don't know. But he can drive a car? Yeah. America, crazy country. Yeah, this is happening in Brunswick, Georgia. I think I mentioned that. But if I didn't, there you go. So less than 24 hours later, his condition got worse again. He started turning yellow. His breathing started to be turning into one. Yeah, he's one of those radioactive bees. He's about to be bee man. No. So they rushed him back to the emergency room. They're not bees too. Just so everyone knows. Yeah, they're wasps. Sorry. Wasps yellow jacket specifically. They rushed him back to the emergency room because he's turning yellow, swelling up. It's looking bad again. And it was discovered there that several of his organs were failing, including his liver and his heart. And one more deadly wrinkle to this story is that he was actually born with only one kidney. And when you get stung by, especially by a lot of bees, your kidneys. So according to the National Library of Medicine, yeah, wasps, sorry, acute kidney injury can be observed in patients suffering from stings, occasionally leading to renal failure or kidney failure. So if you only got one kidney, you're going to want that one to be functioning at its optimal capacity. And if these wasps stings are going to get in the way of that, things are going to look pretty dire for him. So most of the time, stings, again, they're not deadly, but on the rare occasion with people who have preexisting health conditions or allergies, especially, they can be life threatening, especially with like 150 of them. A two year old, 150 stings can be deadly, even if you're like perfectly healthy. Like that's crazy amount of stings for such a small body. Yeah. So he was transferred to an intensive care unit at Memorial Savannah, put on dialysis, ventilator support, and critical IV medication. So the latest, the family did set up a GoFundMe and I'll link that in the description below. If you want to help out, he's been improving. The latest update was a positive one. It's moving in the right direction, but the father's had to take a lot of time off work. The mother is pregnant with another child on the way. So it's just like a really tough financial situation for this family at the moment. But the GoFundMe is doing great. Not saying that all their needs are covered, but at least we can say that a good chunk of it's being met at this point. Do we have any updates on his status? Like is he doing okay? He's doing better. I mean, he's not, I don't think he's in it at risk of death at this point anymore, but he's still like heavily monitored and medicated and full time hospital type of situation. Yeah, that's a lot of stings. That's a lot of venom in a little body. So that's pretty terrible. Yeah, tough one. Huh. Beckham, you got this dude. Yeah, good luck, buddy. Little buddy. 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But if you say 4th of July, I think, I'm just telling you how my brain works here, guy. I'm getting a little worked up. I apologize. And my thoughts are pretty scattered too because again, the last story, that doesn't completely relate to what I'm about to say. This did happen on the 4th of July, but it was in Canada, so I don't think it really matters. Well, they've got the 2nd of July. That's their Independence Day. Sure. So maybe there's some leftover fires. Residual fires. Do they go hard for 2nd of July there? I think they go kind of hard. Yeah. Independence from the... Probably a lot more politely. I don't know. Like the French probably. Don't they still have the freaking King of England over? That's a good point. Sorry, Canadian, but I mean, come on. We're out in British Columbia with a group of firefighters. We're with a fire crew 110 kilometers west of Fort Nelson. They're patrolling. It doesn't seem like they're working on a specific fire, but they're more just looking at burn zones for close by fires and stuff like that and looking at burned piles and just patrolling this area. They really were just giving forts out to anybody back then, weren't they? Fort Nelson? Who's there to Nelson? I don't know. I bet I would have had a fort named after me if I lived back then. You probably have 20 forts named Fort Smith out there. If you guys... Mike, I know you're going to say gun or something, but if you guys were a firefighter with firefighter tools like forest fire and you're in grizzly country, rank the tools you'd want to have to fend off a brown bear. Chainsaw would be number one for me. Yeah. Our grandpa fended off a grizzly bear with a chainsaw. Mike West took chainsaw. Jeff interrupted me during a very interesting little site. Our grandpa once fended off a grizzly bear in British Columbia with a chainsaw, so I know it I mean, he kind of did. He did. He fended it. He shot it with a gun. Yeah, but he used the chainsaw to scare it off. Nice. They should be handing those on in Romania. Chainsaws. Mike, what did you pick? Motorcycle. All right. I don't know. What was the question? I'm sorry. I wasn't listening to the original question. I knew you wouldn't answer it. Forest fire, forest firefighters, like you guys are taking turns choosing their tools that they use to fend off a grizzly bear. So that doesn't count. I'm not letting you get away with joke answers. What do fire? I have no idea. This is like a shovel. Shovel, axe, Pulaski. There's a bunch of comfort. Yeah. An axe or no, a fire hose. That would do the fire hose might actually work. They don't use fire hoses. Just let them answer. One of those planes that dumps out the pink stuff. How about that? All right, we can just skip that. But anyways, firefighters do have some tools on them, which can be used against a grizzly bear, right? That's kind of the point I'm getting at. Well, me and Wes have a cousin. Mike, it's your friend, Brent, and he works in the Forest Service. Wes, what's his favorite tool? A Pulaski. Pulaski. What do you do with a Pulaski? A Pulaski has a pick end on one end and then kind of like a shovel, almost axe looking end on the other end. You can do a lot with it. You can pull out rocks or roots. You can chop. You can dig. It's kind of like a really good tool for a lot of different things. Yeah, like making trails. It's very versatile. You can use it for... It's something just like, you know, almost like a carpenter with a hammer. They use it for a bunch of different things. This fire crew leader, he starts like working and he's walking around and he's a little bit separated from the group. And he surprises a mother grizzly bear with two cubs. So a sow with two cubs. Not what you want to be surprising. Not great. So this bear immediately swipes at his legs. Amazingly, what I read was he stood his ground on the leg swipe. It like hid his legs, but he didn't fall over right away. And then he took two swipes at the bear and then it knocked him over. And once it knocked him over, it tried to bite his head off. Or at least it tried to bite his head. I assume if it could, it would bite his head clean off. Yeah, why not? I don't feel bad saying it tried to. Sure. So as this bear mouth wide open, coming at this guy's head, right? Yeah. But he has one of the most versatile tools that a firefighter can have, a Pulaski. And one of its many uses is getting shoved into a brown bear's mouth so that it can't bite you. Okay. So he shoves it straight into the bear's mouth. The bear can't bite him at this point because it does have like this huge metal thing in its mouth. But still, that's like a ton of weight on top of you, right? So he puts the metal head in its mouth or like the wood part of it in its mouth? I'm pretty sure he put the metal part in. I think I saw this story. I'm pretty sure it was the wood because there's big gouges in the wood when he shoved it in its mouth. Yeah. I thought that it maybe bit the wood over the metal. I didn't read which side. I saw the same picture as you. It bit the wood for sure. Yeah. But I still felt like he put the metal in it. But Wes could be right. It could have been the stick in either way. Yeah. He has this wedged in its mouth and it's keeping it from being able to bite him. But the bears putting all this weight on to him. So then he kind of has to readjust his hands to like keep the Pulaski wedged in the bear's mouth. And when he does that, his hand like slides way up it and the bear bites his hand and he gets a pretty like bad wound on his hand. Yeah. And he's screaming and the rest of his crew is only 100 meters away. So they hear the screams. They run up. They use Wes's number one choice besides bear spray. A chainsaw start revving it works really well, especially in a big group. So the bear gets scared it and its cubs run off the guys lifted to safety without too serious of injuries. Nice. Maybe people should use chainsaws instead of those hiker bells. Just hang a couple of those off your back. That would probably work a lot better than the bells for sure. There'd probably be some other injuries. But I've got another bear one too. This one's from Penguin, Utah or Severe County. This is actually closer to Hatch, Utah. This is right around where we were doing our black bear work where I had my black bear study that Jeff helped out on. Some of the bears that me and Wes trapped are wandered into this forest, right? Yeah. And actually this year there's a huge fire in that area pretty close to Hatch that's burned I think over 30,000 acres. And so this could just to kind of put a pin in this, this could be part of the reason for this encounter is that this fire could have displaced this bear and it might be having a harder time finding food or habitat. Anyway, in mid June, a 43 year old construction worker was attacked by a 300 pound black bear while working at a cabin site in Bryce Woodlands, Utah. This guy's name is Nate Peterson. He was bitten and scratched by the bear and he had some pretty good muscle damage on his left arm. He had a nice chunk pulled out of his left arm. He said, crazy bear, I was just sitting there minding my own business. Bear walked up and hit the side of my bed. Then he came over and jumped on my bed. He tried to scare it away, but it pursued him. It jumped down and bit his arm. He went, started screaming and tried to throw it off and then started throwing stuff at it and it continued following him. But sooner or later, I think he was able to finally deter this bear. Maybe I didn't say in any of the articles, but maybe someone showed up and helped him get this bear away. Pulaski, maybe? Pulaski. Yeah. Or it could have been Pulaski too. Roman Pulaski might have shown up to do this. All right. So he had a pretty terrible experience. He had to go to the hospital. As far as I know, he is still in the hospital because he's had some crazy infections and stuff start up. The article I used is Fox 13 in Salt Lake City. Anyway, he's in the hospital. He still has an infection. He's going to remain hospitalized for a bit as far as I can tell from his GoFundMe. There is a GoFundMe for him as well, which we'll also link in our show notes. It sounds like this has been quite the financial hardship for his family, not only time away from work, but also expensive medical bills. And it seems like there's still quite a ways from hitting their goal on their GoFundMe. So we'll link that as well. If you just want to look it up, just look up Nate Peterson, Bear GoFundMe, and it should come up in your Google search. My turn, right? Okay. So this one, my next news story. About a month ago, thank you for some vigilant Discord users for helping me target this one. But some customs officials in India stopped an airline passenger from traveling from Thailand into Mumbai after they noticed some dangerous contraband and his checked-in baggage. And Wes, you can probably, Jeff, you too, you probably see where this story is going. Yeah. This one's a little exceptional, but sadly not like super uncommon. But he was arrested right then and there, this traveler, and they found, included in what they found in his checked bag was 44 Indonesian pit vipers, three spider-tailed horn vipers, and five Asian leaf turtles. So just an entire bag, probably several bags full of just animals. I don't know how people think they're gonna... Yeah. Like, how do you think that's gonna just go through? Do you like put it up on the thing to get weighed and it's just like wriggling around? He's just like, he's just like, oh shoot, they're checking bags today. It's like, yeah, of course they are. They always do. Oh, those spiders, especially in India, where they make you take out like every single little cord that you've ever owned in your entire life. He had to like un-pack each snake one by one and lay him on. Mike told that one guy, you too, and he said, have a nice flight. That was his fault. He was set me up. That was crazy how he asked that question. I agree with you actually, but it's just funny how he was like, I'm not flying. The spider-tailed horn vipers are cool. There was one of those like blue chip documentaries, our planet or planet Earth or whatever that featured them not long ago. And they have a tail. They blend in perfectly with the rocks. And then their tail looks just like a spider and they move it. So it looks just like a spider. And then as birds fly and they strike out and kill the bird, they're a cool, cool snake. How do you feel about the possibility of being on an airplane with one of those? Oh man, I would just hope that my guy Samuel L. Jackson's around to take care of it. Would you go into the bathroom with that? No. No. And go have sex with that guy? Yeah. Yeah, the guy. Why the guy? Because he's the one that initiated it. That's true. I'm not going to initiate it. You have a hard time saying no. I think that's what Mike was referring to. I'd be fine with that as long as there's not flowers that release something that makes him more aggressive. Right. Was that part of the story? Yeah. So just to get the story going again, sadly again, according to officials, the illegal smuggling of exotic wildlife is a pretty common thing. Not long before, they caught another smuggler bringing on five siamang, siamang gibbons. They're a small species of endangered apes who, this article said, was quote, ingeniously concealed in plastic boxes. That's crazy. Because they're not small. They're apes. They're big. Right. Yeah. That's crazy. Thing these people are trying to get in. But the list, I mean, you just do like a simple search on the internet. You'll see these stories just like every other day, you'll see another one pop up. I know we laughed at it, but these people are very good at concealing these animals and getting them through security. This is a huge problem. Yeah. And it's really sad because a lot of the stories I read through, they're transporting a lot of snakes and lizards and smaller animals they can really pack in there. And they're not taking the best care of these critters. So a lot of times, some of them will just like die and they'll have to be like intermingling the live ones or just kind of crawling around the dead ones for hours and hours and hours at a time. Not to mention just like the fundamental ethical issue of trafficking these animals from one place where they do need to be existing to where they shouldn't be. But what like actually happens when these animals are seized? Do you know, is there like a standard protocol? Are they like put into? I think if they have a way to re-release them into the wild, they will because these are generally like wild animals. They're captured in the wild. So I think especially with the snakes and reptiles and stuff, that's not an animal that's like learned to exist in human care. Like they can be released pretty easily. So I'm pretty sure they have programs set up to release a lot of these animals whenever possible. Just throw it in the evidence locker next to like all the cocaine. Just take it to the main entrance of the airport and just put it on the ground and be like, all right, that's just as many snakes. Oh boy, is the weather ever heating up. And when the weather's hot, I need a cold bed. Nothing's harder than sleeping in a warm bed with warm sheets. Even Wes's black bear versus grizzly bear identification quizzes aren't harder than that. That's why I highly recommend you check out Miracle Maid's bed sheets. 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And there's two trades. There's like the collector's trade where people are using these animals as like pets or on display or whatever. And then there's like the parts trade, which is generally more for traditional medicine or food or whatever else. So I think usually when it's live animals, it's going to collectors legally. When it's parts, it's going to the traditional medicine trade. It just makes me wonder if I've ever been on a flight with someone that's just got like a narwhal in their bag. You know, this is this person next to me really doing here. You just see them trying to jam a narwhal horn into the overhead compartment. Just like popping out of their carry on bag. Not funny. A little funny to like joke about, but not funny at all. But not funny in real life. Yeah, it sucks. It'd be funny. Yeah. You'd have to laugh at that. Yeah. That's it. Even Wes would laugh at that. Yep. All right. I got another story and another question before I get into it. Oh, great. What type of place in America? What? Neither? What's a type of place in America that you think could always use a bit more excitement? Iowa, the Midwest. No, like a place you go into. DMV? I would say something that could use the DMV. Oh, that's what I just said. Oh, you guys couldn't hear me. Sorry. You froze for a sec, but Wes beat you because of you. What about like a nursing home? Sure, a nursing home. So what about just having a black bear break into a nursing home in Pittsburgh? Yeah, that sounds great. Does that sound more exciting than their normal day? I would say so. So channel, this is from Pittsburgh Channel 11 News and a bear broke into St. Andrews Village nursing home at 11 p.m. on June 5th, which if you think about it, it's like one of the most just like interesting spots a bear can break into. Like what's going to happen with this story? Maybe Cowboy Cody let it go when they're actually threw it in there. They was to catch him. You think maybe, but it seemed to have just broken straight through the glass. There's glass and it's just like that's not enough to stop me, right? Okay. Yeah. So Charlene Elliott was one of the lead certified nursing assistants, oh wait, yeah, CNAs working. And she said that she was just sitting there at the nurses station and heard a big crash, which like obviously at a nursing home, you don't want to hear that. You're like, oh, shit, like someone just fell broke their hip, whatever, you know? So she said she thought it was one of the aids that fell and got up and saw a black bear headed straight towards her, which would just be like, like the doors were all closed. Like it's just like, what? Would you guys think that maybe one of the people turned into a black bear? Just because it'd be so surprising? Or would you just think? No, I don't think that would be something that came to my mind. Maybe if there's no crash, but the crash. That's a good point. So Elliott says she's just thinking, get this thing out of here. It stayed in there for 15 minutes, which is a pretty long time for a bear to be in a wild bear to be in a nurse. That is a long time. So she starts telling everyone, like shut your doors, shut all your doors. And then the bear walked into someone's room that hadn't shut their door yet. He was in bed and it got nose to nose with him in his bed. Just kind of checking things out, I think. Yeah, it's really funny. Maybe it's an old bear looking for a place to settle down. Maybe it got confused with the bear retirement homes. Right. Just trying to just visit. So she was telling the person, please don't move, don't touch him, can definitely maul you, one swipe can do so much damage, don't move, right? One of the residents trying to help out recommended to Charlene to feed it a sandwich. She just kept saying, just feed it a sandwich. She's like, shut up, Gladys. Not going to feed a sandwich. Such a funny grandma. Yeah, that is really funny. You know that she's just made so many people sandwiches in her life. Just like a sandwich. It always works with my grandkids. I like to like imagine her husband and her every time they fought, she would just like give him a sandwich to like get him less angry. Yeah, that's really sad. You say it that way. I mean, everyone fights, I'm just saying sometimes you need some food, you know? Yeah. Sandwiches can solve a lot of problems, Wes. Sure. Nothing about sexism here. Shouldn't make you sad. I just think, I think the phrase of like a woman making a guy a sandwich to calm him down inherently feels a little sexist to a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah, well just flip the rolls, envision that scenario. You know what? You might need a sandwich. Yeah, I might. What I think you need to do is take a shit out of it. Charlene tells her like, no, we can't do that. But then she does kind of take the inspiration of it and her and the other employees there use rice crispy treats to lure the bear out of the building and they would use a metal walker to kind of push it out at the end. That's really funny. The funniest visual ever. That's really good. And then the game commission came and they set up a trap using doughnuts and pastries and they caught that bear because you know that bear was still looking for some food and then they relocated it. So Wes, what's your advice if a listener's in that same position as the CNA? If you're in a closed like building and a bear comes anywhere, any building and a bear comes in. I'm in a nursing home. Okay, well I'm saying any building and a bear comes in. I can't just change Jeff's question. Fine. If you're in a nursing home and a bear comes in, you should do exactly what this woman told the residents to do, which is get to a safe location. So behind a locked door, anywhere you know where you can get safely away from the bear. And then I would just make, I would call first of all like the police and they would then call the wildlife agency and let them come take care of the bear. It's probably going to do some damage. Just make sure you're safe and in a safe location. You can try and scare the bear out once you are safe, like make a lot of noise and stuff. But in a building, I would never recommend someone trying to like haze a bear out because if it doesn't feel like it has a good escape route, it might decide to charge you rather than run away. All right, thanks Wes. Do you want me to give like my last little headlines now or it's- Sure. Yeah, you can do them now. Okay, so a fox bit four people in North Carolina. Just kind of like normally to coyotes this time of foxing. Foxing around. Okay. And then in Pakistan, a pet cat- Lion. Attacked- Oh, sorry. You just wanted my joke. You can- Rerack it. Rerack it. It's all right. It's that. A pet cat, a lion, attacked a mom and child in the street. I saw that one. That was pretty rough. Yeah. But they ended up being all right, which is kind of crazy. Yeah, but it's crazy. The lion just like jumps a wall that's like not tall enough if you have a lion in your care and just runs this woman down in the street. It was pretty wild. Yeah. I mainly had that one for the joke. Yeah, sorry. Sorry, you caught me. And then- It's two episodes in a row, Wes's ruin Jeff's joke. In Thailand, there is like a little store and a 27-year-old male elephant walked into this little convenience store. I'm sure a lot of people have seen the pictures, Wes, you've seen those? Yeah, I've seen that one. I've seen the video. And headed straight to the candy counter, pushed a freezer out of its way to get there and started eating only eight, about 10 bags of candy, which is crazy to me. You'd think like- Yeah. Elephant in the convenience store, like that store is like done. 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We got to know Mission Beach very well because the three of us drove all over Mission Beach for like two days straight, pretty much all day long, looking for a certain animal. Do you want to tell me what animal that was? Cassoway. A cassowary. Yes, when we went to Australia, cassowaries were at the top of my list for the animal that I wanted to see. So we specifically included, I specifically included in our route a stop on the cassowary coast. And we went to the one beach that everyone says you see cassowaries at. We went there multiple times, didn't see them, but Mission Beach was commonly touted as the second best place. We did see them right after there though, just to let people saw. Not at the beach. I'm saying right after like that. Right, yeah, I'm getting there. I'm getting there. So we didn't see them at the beach, but then the second place that was touted as the second place, second best place to see cassowaries was Mission Beach, where we found two different cassowaries finally right as we were leaving. So what happened is there's a home security camera recently that captured a dangerous, in quotation marks, moment that a woman and her child were chased into their home by a large cassowary in Australia. And this is what every article that I found build this as is like this woman and her kid were chased into the home by this male cassowary and it's young. And I will say after seeing this footage, I don't think that's what happened. What I think happened, and there are some experts out there that agree is that this bird was probably fed this cassowary, whether people just had like fruit trees, or they were actually like throwing food to this bird, and it had lost its fear of humans. So it did approach this woman and her kid as they went into their home, but it did not at all look to me like it was chasing them, or like defending its young or anything. It was much closer than you would want to be to a big cassowary with a, especially with young. But I don't think this was an aggressive interaction. But what you see in the video is this woman approaches the door, and then you see her young kid come in behind her, and then suddenly the kid runs, and they both run inside and there's a big cassowary that comes up with its, with its young. Really beautiful, really cool looking birds. Listen to our cassowary episode if you haven't heard it. It's one of my favorite of our episodes that we've done. But no one was hurt. And I really think this was just a food conditioned cassowary trying to get a handout. So if you happen to live on the cassowary coast or anywhere where there's cassowaries, make sure you don't feed them, because it can create a bit of a public safety issue. Is there like bird feeders for cassowaries? No, I mean, they're big fruit eaters. And like, so if you had fruit trees, you're essentially putting out feeders for cassowaries if you live in their range. Yeah. Okay. Well, good job, cassowaries. Or maybe I don't know about this one. It doesn't sound like they did too much damage, right? I like those birds. I don't know if it did a good job. Yeah. I guess either way you look at it, it did kind of a bad job, right? It just didn't do any job. Yeah, that's the thing. It kind of felt unremarkable to me, but there were so many people that reported on it. And I think it's because they've earned this reputation of being a bird that have killed people. And as we talked about in our episode, 1926 was the only wild cassowary that's ever killed someone that killed a kid. And then I think 2019, there was a captive one that killed a guy in Florida. But these aren't hyper aggressive, dangerous animals. They are dangerous. You do need to respect them. But I don't think this was a particularly dangerous interaction, but it was cool to see. That's what I mean, dude. Good job. Okay. You got anything else, Mike? That's it for me, no. All right. Well, let's move on to categories then. So I was just in Utah. We met up, we saw a movie, we saw the new Jurassic World movie. And, you know, we talk about Jurassic Park and quite a bit on this podcast. And then, you know, it obviously branches out into some of the other movies. So quickly, I just wanted, I know people are going to ask us this. I want to know what your guys's thoughts were about Jurassic World Rebirth just in general, now that we've had some time to simmer on it, marinate a little bit. Makes me mad. I didn't care for it, Wes. That's how I feel too. I'm not gonna care for it. Yeah. I think it's the out of like the seven movies, I'd probably put it fifth. And that makes me even more mad. It's not the worst. But the music was so weird. I never noticed music. The music felt like AI with the original music, just like changing it. And then, yeah, Mike, there's like some part where Scarlett Johansson's talking about someone dying, right? And it's just like playing. Like a military friend getting blown up or something. But it's just like playing like the Jurassic Park. Like, yeah. Yeah. I can't believe that happens, yeah. I think I had it at six out of seven even. Like, I think I liked Fallen Kingdom more than I liked this one, which is crazy because I didn't like Fallen Kingdom. They're all on that similar level of like, I never want to think about them ever again, that I wouldn't blame anyone for having it lower. Yeah, there's just there's nothing about it that really grabbed my attention or stuck out to me, really in any way, except for, and this is the really like crazy part to me, the only character I'm going to remember from that movie is the bad guy, Rupert Friend's character, because he was the only person that really felt like he was consistently making like decisions according to the goals that he had. Like, no one else. His character. His character. I understood, yeah. Yeah. His motivations. Right. And just I want to put this out there. I was rooting for him. I think every once in a while, I'd mention this to you guys right after the movie ended, but every once in a while, we just need to have the little child character. They need to get chopped by a dino just to keep us honest, you know, especially in, yeah, the Jurassic Park Jurassic World universe. Yeah, like Jurassic Park three, that little kid, if he had gotten killed, would have been like so much better. It would have been amazing. Yeah. It's so boring when a character pops up and you know that there's no way the filmmakers are ever going to kill them or hurt them in any way. Right. It's just like, yeah, I agree. Not even a character, though. I could have guessed every single character that lives and dies. Yeah. Yeah. And obviously some big spoilers here for this movie, if you like still want to see it after hearing us talk about it. But my biggest complaint. Oh, go ahead, Jeff. I was just going to say the reason the only reason I haven't overfallen Kingdom was the T-Rex scene in the river. I thought was like pretty great. Yeah. Yeah. I my biggest complaints were that there weren't any like good kills. There was no person that died that I thought it was like memorable or interesting. And fallen Kingdom has the guy in the cage with the Indoraptor or whatever that I think is like one of the better Jurassic kills. And then I also just for me, I just hate that they're creating all these fake dinosaurs for these things like the mutant dinosaurs. There's boring to me when there's thousands of unused dinosaurs in the franchise that are really cool, amazing animals that actually existed and are much scarier to me than like a lumbering D-Rex that like is completely ineffective somehow. Like, I don't know. I just thought it was boring. I want to say, though, a lot of people out there are really enjoying it. And you shouldn't just don't just take our word for it. Like, I'm a huge proponent of people making up their own mind, liking what they like, because I know I would be the biggest hypocrite in the world if I were to like cast aspersions or judge anyone for what they enjoyed. So if you're interested, go check it out. You know, a lot of people are seeming to find it worth their time and money. And secretly, I'm glad it's making a ton of money so that it they'll make more because I will just keep seeing them. Yeah. Sooner or later, they're bound to get one right. I'll disagree with you there, Mike. I don't think you should be allowed to like it. That's, um, we all have our own opinions. It turns out. I think deep down you agree with me too. Oh, yeah. I mean, no, uh, I was going to say, too, like, I just want to pitch my idea for the next one. Our problem still is we're not killing any kids. We got to kill some kids. Yeah, we'll kill some kids. Sure. We'll figure out a way to kill kids. Child shopping. So I wanted to also ask your favorite and least favorite moment from the entire Jurassic franchise. So for this, this question you can use Jurassic Park if you want, favorite and least favorite moment from the entire franchise. My favorite part is the ending sequence to the first Jurassic Park movie. Of course, when they're flying off the island, they see the birds out the window. The music plays, beautiful sunset. It's a perfect cap to a movie that did everything it needed to do and did not necessitate any sequels, but it's not the world we live in. Um, I just think that that's such a beautiful and poignant moment of like evolution, how the world has turned into, like, has naturally become the place that we know it as today and any kind of genetic manipulation or introduction of these species that were taken out for a reason, you know, natural selection happened. Like, we can't mess with that. We're like, that's approaching powers too close to God, I guess you could say, like a Frankenstein sort of moral, but like, these birds are what dinosaurs turned into and that's what they're meant to be for us now to enjoy and to live with in harmony. You hear that colossal biosciences? Mike just put you on blast. Uh, I, so my, my all time favorite moment is always going to be the T-Rex breaking free in the original Jurassic Park, but because I think that was like a given for me, I picked up runner up, which is from the lost world, which I actually really enjoy that movie. There's a part where Julianne Moore's character, Dr. Harding, I think. No, no, that's that's from the first movie. I can't remember. She's, um, falling off the roof and there's all these like tiles kind of sliding off and there's a raptor behind her and she managed to kind of like push the tiles to the raptor falls and then you get this really cool moment where these two raptors are fighting on the ground behind her and she falls off the roof as well and there's the shot of her on the ground and the two raptors fighting behind her and it's lit so well and shot so well. It's like classic Spielberg framing and lighting. It's just like such a beautiful shot and I just really love the raptor parts of the lost world. I think, I think it's a fun movie. Um, for least favorite, I'm going to go with one that's like not actually my least favorite scene to watch, but just like as far as the storytelling goes, I just hate it. Yeah. And that's the first lost world where they let the T-Rex Jurassic World. Sorry, the first Jurassic World where they let the T-Rex out and the T-Rex just like starts fighting with the raptors to try to like save the people. Yeah. She's like, why? Like the raptors were trained. Like, why is the T-Rex doing this? Yeah, it would immediately just head in the other direction. Like, nope, I don't want to mess with that. Like, I get wanting to have like a big like dyna fight at the end, but it just didn't make any sense. And then favorite, I'll shout out Danielle with National Park After Dark in this one. We were just talking about the movies and she said her favorite scene is Lost World where the raptors are in the tall grass just picking off people. That's a great scene. Great scene. And I think mine would, I've said before, like the toilet guy might be my favorite. That's fun. Genaro. Yeah, it's real fun. But I'll shout out that one because it's a great moment. For me, my least favorite was in Dominion, which I aggressively disliked that movie. It just felt like pure of like, oh, look, we have, we have the original cast and now they're doing like a Scooby-Doo adventure to figure out where these locusts are from. It was so dumb. But my least favorite moment is when Ian Malcolm, Jeff Goldblum's character, throws a torch into the mouth of the giganodosaurus, which is like the huge T-Rex looking dinosaur, a real dinosaur. I'll give him credit for that. And it blows fire out of its mouth when he throws the torch in it. Like suddenly it does like so awesome dragon breath. Yeah. And it's like, dude, it was so dumb. Cinema. Yeah. My least favorite is the end of Jurassic Park 3. He blows the flute and the raptors go away for some reason. That lives rent free in my brain. And when I think about it, I need to like pace around and think about life for a little bit. That was a mistake. It's not even a flute though. It's like a skull. It's like he blows through a skull. Yeah, that's right. A skull. Yeah. It's a recreation of their vocal. Yeah. Is he saying go away? Is he saying I'm sorry, leave us? Like, is he talking to these things? What are they getting from this sound? My point is it's even stupider than a flute. Like, I yeah, it's incredible. Yeah. I got like my read on it was like they got confused because all of a sudden he was making a raptor noise. But sure, I do think those are smarter or not. Yeah. They're my favorite designed raptors, I think from the whole series, Jurassic Park 3. Good look at raptors. All right. Your favorite and least favorite movie then apart from the sequel. Favorite and least favorite movie. I'll go first. My favorite is Lost World. My least favorite is Dominion. Yeah, I'll probably just copy that. Jurassic Park 3 is even with Lost World for me. Yeah. Okay. All right. We're all on the same page there then. Lost World is the only sequel that really has any merit in watching in my opinion. But yeah, I haven't seen the others. I don't have to. I'm not going to pretend like I'm going to change my mind on this. They're terrible. All of them, it's ever those first two. Yeah, that's kind of how I feel. Although when I rewatched Jurassic Park 3 recently, I kind of enjoyed it. I like how quick they get into it. Yeah. Sure. And Jurassic World sometimes can be fun. Okay. What animal would cause the most chaos if you threw it into like a busy restaurant or bar? So you know, Cowboy Cody tried a raccoon. What do you guys think? If you could physically throw an animal, you can't pick like an elephant or a whale or something. Like an animal that you could actually throw, what do you think would cause the most chaos? Oh, I read it wrong, but I like my answer still. Yeah, let's see. I was still on dinosaurs. So I said a Dilophosaurus. There we go. You think you could physically throw a Dilophosaurus? Yeah. Okay. They weren't that big. And I think it sneaks into the back and spits into the food is why and then everyone gets poisoned and everyone dies because it's fat in the food. Why? So they just saw fossils for Dilophosaurus, right? No. So like, what do you mean? Why do they think it can spit? They don't. That was like a total creation by Steven Spielberg. That was just like a flourish. And also just so you know, real Dilophosaurus was much bigger than what it was depicted in the film. Like it would be like... Do they have the frills? No, the frills and the spitting are both just movie magic, but the crest on its head was real. Dilophosaurus had that crest. Well, Steven Spielberg's Dilophosaurus is my answer. All right, perfect. I'm thinking if I got a good hold on one and however I get my arms around it, I think I could throw a female deer. I think I could, just like a little heft into there. And anytime you see the footage of restaurants or wherever like a deer gets into, they freak out and their hooves are like sliding and slipping and knocking everything around. I think not an animal that's like, maybe I'm thinking about this wrong, but I just feel like an animal that's trying desperately to get out of there is going to cause the most chaos as opposed to like a small animal that I could throw that's going to like bite someone. Like a rattlesnake or something. Yeah. Yeah. I thought of a wasp nest, just like a whole nest of wasps. But technically that's kind of breaking my rule where I said animal and that's a lot of animals, but that's one wasp or one single wasp. All right. Well, if I could throw a Tasmanian devil, I'd choose that. It turns into a tornado. The actual one really wouldn't do much, but it would just kind of probably crawl under something. If I could get a hold of the one, I would do that. All right. If I could throw a hand grenade, that would be crazy. If that were an animal. Yeah. The ones were just spitballing you. Electric eel. The next category is the best thing about the month of July in your opinion. It's blockbuster season. New big movies coming out. Some of them are good. Some of them are not. Just for the record, F1. I've greatly, greatly enjoyed that movie. I'm not always a Debbie Downer here. So it's just a fun time of year. Superman's coming out tomorrow or maybe today even. It's just fun to be excited about movies. There you go. It's a good thing. Jeff? Yeah. Fly fishing in Montana. Yeah. For me, it's just like water. I feel like in June, often waterways are still too cold or flooded to really swim in, but July is when all the rivers around here and lakes and stuff get warm enough that they're really nice to swim in. So I just love July because you get to swim a lot if you live around that kind of thing. You're ready to go to you now. You got your shirt off? I know, dude. It's so hot. It's hot in the water. All right. Mike, it's been a minute since we've talked about your list of things that are overrated. So I just wanted you to give us one thing from your list of overrated things. Okay. I wanted to, so I'm going to do one of each because I don't like just being purely negative. Just a real quick something that I think is underrated is when you go to a restaurant and each of their different entrees has a different shaped plate that it comes out. I love when you get a rectangle plate or a dish with a big dome over it like Si had in Australia with the hamburger. I just, I love plating gimmicks. I think it's so fun. As for something I think is overrated, it's musical comedy acts. Like I'm going to get a lot of heat for this. And I realize just the fact that this is like an overrated thing means most of the people are not going to agree with me on this, but people like Weird Al or Bo Burnham, like Tim Minchin, I just have never been able to get into musical comedy at all. You could have started with anyone but Weird Al. I know. I know. I know. But the second you said Weird Al, I had to rip the band-aid off just to like let it be known. That's how I feel. I just feel like maybe they're hiding a little bit of something. He's an immensely talented guy. Obviously an incredible musician, almost like to a fault. He's not for everyone. He can recreate these music. Yeah. I just don't find myself ever enjoying it. Never. No. See, I love to as a kid, but anymore I don't. It's funny that Weird Al introduced me to a lot of the songs that I love now. Like I heard the Weird Al version of like Smells Like Teen Spirit and Gangster's Paradise and all these other songs before I heard the real version. Really? And it like really set me up to like those songs a lot. Because when I heard I was like, oh, this is actually like much better. You know? Okay. Not funny. Yeah. Yeah. Again, no shade to anyone who does like that stuff. I just, it's never been for me. All right. I actually had a gripe that I wanted to share too. Can I share a quick gripe? I'd love to hear it. I just saw a video of like this guy in the UK that knocks over cairns when people make them like stacking rocks on top of each other. And he's my hero because I also hate cairns. They're great when they're used to like mark a path for navigation and usually for a service or national park service or whoever will like maintain cairns that are necessary for that. But when people just do it, it destroys a lot of good habitat for invertebrates, for reptiles and amphibians and stuff. And I also just kind of think it's natural graffiti. Like I feel like you have to then see that someone was there before you. And some people that are looking for like a wilderness experience don't want to see other people like marking that they were there. And that's how I feel like I don't like seeing this evidence that a bunch of other people were there, even if it's just rocks. So do you think you'd like it if someone kicked over Stonehenge? No, I don't think Stonehenge's cairns. No, I wouldn't like that. So you hate cairns in the wild? Not cairns. Yeah, cairns. And not the city of cans. Cairns, yeah. Yeah, right. So. All right. You guys got anything else you want to talk about before we wrap this up? I have a Jeff's Animal fact. Okay. Oh yeah, it's been a while. Male revis pheasant has the longest tail feathers of any bird. Oh, cool. There you go. Any other birds out there that want to challenge that? Does it shake them? Grow them longer, I guess. It says it's 7.9 feet. Wow. That's a long one. Did Caldwell Cody just catch? Yeah, Caldwell Cody's making a guess if you're a dad gum. That'd be a little tail feather. Throw that in the bar. All right, before we end it, Jeff, do you have a couple listener questions for us? Yeah, so DocTag asks, besides Jurassic Park, what is your favorite 90s movie? It's a hard one. Mine's The Matrix is my favorite movie, Bar Nun. It's the first movie that really made me want to think about what a movie was doing rather than just have it blast into my eyeballs and just marvel at the fights and stuff. Yeah, that'll forever be my answer for 90s movies. I'm going to look in my letterbox real quick here. Yeah, that's Over Jurassic Park for you, huh? Yeah, I mean, there's few, maybe the only, movie over Jurassic Park for me. I'd probably have to go Point Break. Oh yeah. I love that so much. I might have to go Casino. Oh, that's cool. I love Casino or River Unstrew it, probably one of those two. You motherf*****. I own this city. I have made you motherf*****. All right, so Lisa Nola asks, what sticks out most in your memories of watching Steve Irwin? For me, it's just like his joy. I just, I feel like the reason Steve Irwin connected with so many people is you could feel his passion and joy in his work and it just was so evident how much he loved wildlife, and that's really what stuck out for me. In the image in my brain, it'll always be him like shoulder deep in a snake hole or some kind of hole reaching for something he can't even see, and like to this day, I'm just like, why, why, that's crazy to me that he's doing that, but he really was just a fearless dude. I'd probably say how short his shorts were, or the word crikey. Hannah O'Carroll asks, what's the best year? And this is just the 90s. I think I'll go 99. A lot of great movies. Yeah, I'd go 99 as well. It's the last year that the world was going to exist. The 90s club, the Matrix. Yeah, if it's not 99, I'm going to go with maybe 93. If that's, I think that's the first Wu Tang album, first, or my favorite tribe called Quest album, Dell, the Funky Homo Sapiens first album, like a great era for rap in that year specifically. Michael Jordan. Oh, I thought we couldn't pick 93. If we can pick any year, it's 93 for me. It's the 90s. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's 93. What do you mean? What did you think the question was? I thought it was like aside from 93 because I always reference 1993 as like because of Jurassic Park. Yeah. Okay. Sean A. Pixie 16 asks Monica or Rachel? Oh, uh, friends? Yeah. Yeah. Growing up as Rachel, I feel like more and more like if I see friends on them, kind of like, man, Monica. Yeah. Monica is funny. We should know these are, these are leftover 90s questions from Jeff's episode about Lorraine Poppet. Monica is Courtney Cox, right? Yeah. There's something weirdly enough, I've always found her the most attractive in Scream, but in Friends, it like isn't quite the same for some reason. So I'm more of a Rachel. Yeah. Yeah. She's like a little too neurotic in Friends. I feel like she's like a little too kind of like, yeah, I don't know. And Rachel's always billed as like the object of attraction in Friends, I feel like. So that's that's why I agree with that. Yeah. I always liked that Ross was just like a paleontologist. Yeah. St. Jimmy 1031 asks Backstreet Boys or In Sync? In Sync for me. No, actually Backstreet Boys. It's Backstreet Boys. Same. Growing up is In Sync. Now I would probably take Backstreet Boys. Yeah. I mean, I'm not. I genuinely like want it that way. I think that's a good song. I'm not sure I've ever fired up either of their music at my own behest ever. But if I had to pick, I think Backstreet Boys would be it's Backstreet Boys. Yeah. Alright. That does it for 90s themed questions. I'll think of another theme for the next batch. Okay. 80s. I don't know. Who knows? We get crazy. 2000s maybe. And I'll I'll be sure to get some questions from Patreon for our next one because we've been getting lots of good questions on our thread. Maybe the 1890s. We could still keep it 90s but like just move it. Actually, though, let's do it. Okay. 1500s question themes. Let's do it. Alright. Thanks everyone for listening. Thanks for sending in stories. Thanks especially to those of you who subscribe. It's truly what has kept this podcast going for so long. So we really, really appreciate it. And yeah, we'll we'll we'll let you go. Thank you for keeping it going, Wes. Yeah. Thanks, Wes. You know, I'm any minute here, I'm going to pass out for meat exhaustion. So thank me later. Love you guys. Love you. Bye. Alright. Oh, I gotta stop my recording.