M2 CS Review; A Bad Car that Changed History?

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I have made it with a species called the Hannah. And the Hannah, the best Hannah fills in like most of the gaps in my personality and talent pool. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Your Venn diagram between you two, like there's enough overlap where you get along. Same and this is very true with my wife too. But there's enough separation where she can handle and thinks in ways you don't. And vice versa. Yeah. Yeah, it's important. Yeah, it is. And so anyway, hi everybody. Cars. Welcome to Cars. In theory, we're supposed to talk about cars, right? I wrote that piece for Road and Track about the income inequality. They didn't write income inequality in the headline. And they took out some of the more political stuff I put in there in the edit. But it's probably not at the top anymore because Lawrence Ulrich drove that really cool thing. But that's the artwork for... Oh, no. Oh, they moved. It's down in like the culture. Okay. Because someone said they read it. They said they enjoyed it. Yeah, go down. Keep going. Go. Yes, it's in culture or if you scroll down, you get to the culture section eventually. The fuck. Where did it go, hubby? No? That's funny because I didn't jump that car. What the fuck? Hey, what happened? Oh, no. What's going here, Farah? Is it monthly column? It is. If you click Farah on a road trip and then click my name, it should... It's... Like, it should give you... No, it just gives you that. Read full by... Oh, there it is. There it is. Jesus. That thing was on the front page all weekend, but then they buried it. They don't want people to know, man. I know that of you. So anyway, I wrote the piece that we were debating about. You can go read it at Road and Track. I also put the dino tasting piece up on the web. It's from the print magazine this month. I have not read that truly and I want to... The dino tasting piece? Yeah. Well, we can talk about it now. Do you want to read it first? I'll read it first. I'll get some context for myself. You and I consume content in such different ways. You watch videos that are made by our friends. True. Sometimes, yeah. And it's not because I don't like our friends. We joke about this. It's just that some people that we know who make good videos, they put a lot of time into the shots and the narrative and whatever and the dramatic build-up. Dude, if I want to know what Henry Ketchapole thinks about a car, I'll text him. That sounds snobby, but it's just the way to get the information that I want out of my friend if I have one. But you consume the information. Well, sometimes, in those cases, a lot of times, I'm doing it to see what our competition slash colleagues are doing stylistically and often recognizing that we can't do that because they have a team of six or whatever it is. So, I'm doing a little bit of that. And also, occasionally, I don't think I watch that many car reviews anymore. It's very specifically chosen once every few months, but I watch a lot of other random content. Yeah, I guess you watch when Pete Wynn, like, our friends made content about their own cars and things like that. Yeah, that's true. But, yeah, it was an interesting test, the dino tasting. I'm a little disappointed they didn't use my title dino tasting. I thought that was a pretty good fucking clever title. I titled the fucking word document that. I thought, oh, yeah, but they want, I mean, they need to be very obvious. It's behind the paywall right now, sorry, because the print magazine just came out. That's sort of how they do it. You can get the print, if you're a member, I don't know how much it costs, I'm sorry, but if you're a member, you can get the print magazine stories on the web the month before they come out. So, anyway, but fuck it, it's on newsstand, so I can talk about it. There is a spread, but if you look at all the curves, you know, all the different dinos that we used essentially measured the same curve, just the numbers were a little higher and a little lower. And we learned one of the dino guys used, gave me the same run, like the same pull. We did a pull, and then he gave me four sheets that showed four different numbers. And he's like, you can use four different weather correction factors and output four completely different numbers on the same pull. And a trained eye would be able to tell you maybe which one they were using, but on the print out, the print out that everyone wants to take, that they then show their friends, like there's almost no way to tell from the print out, which so like, so like there's, there's effectively multiple ways for you to have a dino operator output you an incredibly favorable looking result. If you using what are called weather correction factors and like weather correction factors are very useful. They're not like four cheating on dino, like they're essentially so that if you go, you know, a dino is useful so that if you're going to install some parts or do a major modification to your car and you want to know is this going to improve my performance or if someone is doing the same thing with an ECU tune, you lay down a baseline pull, record it, get put, do your mods, and then you run it again. And then you go, oh, I gained 50 horsepower. Great. Or maybe I didn't, or maybe I lost some in the case of Jason Kamisa and his cams and his BMW E30. And so, so that's what it's really useful for. But a weather correction factor is like, what if I do my baseline pull and it's 85 degrees in humid, and then it takes me like, it's in the summer, and then it takes me like three months to do my build. And now it's December, and I'm doing the same shop, but it's like real cold. So you can adjust and normalize your numbers to a hypothetical optimized number, which is the most common one is the SAE weather correction factor, which essentially optimize, which essentially, if you don't have a California day, makes you a California day. That's like basic. Actually, dino testing in the spring in Southern California is remarkably similar to the SAE weather correction factor, which doesn't, which you can tell it's like the temperature, the humidity, 60 degrees, not too humid, specifically ambient things. So, you know, sea level. Right. Correct. So, but there's a bunch of other factors you could use. You know, this guy gave me four dino sheets. It was 100 horsepower spread. Right. Wow. Like one car, like on the same car, same pole, like you can make you can make a dino sheet, say almost anything. It's wild. If your goal is to. So if you were a bad actor in the space, we'll say, and like if you, if you're a dino shop that offers tuning services, your tuner could, you know, let's just say they do legitimate tuning and the graph looks good, but then they want to be like, Hey, our shop is the best tuner in town. And you just fudge with the weather correction. And so you guys are always making 30 horsepower over John's shop down the street. Well, it moves all the numbers and curves together. So I think, I mean, you'd have to be like, you'd have to be a piece of shit who also has exclusively dumb customers because not while not every customer knows that dino's read differently and that it's only a before and after on the same dino that really means anything. While not everybody knows that, like a decent number of people do know that and you couldn't run a business, you know, not for very long based on the on trying to get everybody on this. You just, it wouldn't work. So I think most of the conversely, like most of the dino shop owners were pretty aware of where their dino would output compared to the other dinos. Like nobody was like trying to like make excuses. Someone's like, yeah, this one reads a little higher. This one reads a little lower. Like, and they did. And they did. And the curves really for the most part all look to the same. And there might be reasons you want to use one dino, the type of dino versus another. Apparently, a lot of modern cars will only work on the all wheel drive dinos. And the only all wheel drive dino I used was the World Motorsports one down in Torrance, the wind tunnel that we tune my car on. As it turns out, that's the quote optimistic dino. It does read a little bit on the other side. Will the modern cars only work there because the front rollers need to be spinning because the speed sensor stuff. Yes, matched match speed sensors. So and I don't have a way of knowing. 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It's a kind of interesting thing. Most people don't go through the trouble of testing four dynos. Pretty cool. In once in one car. So it's interesting to see what the spread is like and what the owners and operators of those dynos like have to say about Yeah, it's a good article. It was fun. Yeah, you should I mean read it and tell what you think. I'll read. I think it's a cool concept that you did it. It was a good idea. Yeah. And the dark horse that we used didn't I really need to sign in with my fucking membership. I believe this image here, Zach, is all of the dino lines put onto one graph. Oh, from all that's one car four places. That's one car at four shops and they're all on one graph. Nice. Yeah. So that, you know, they they all showed, you know, pretty similar power curves, not exactly the same. But there is a little bit of a spread, you know, about about 10% in how they read and three of them are really close together. You know, it's just the red whatever this red line is that's like significantly jumped up from the others. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Rad. Pretty cool. Cool. Cool article. Good story. And the dark horse did perform well. One of the guys, one of the guys who owned one of the dinos like absolutely insisted that we get an American car with a manual transmission. And he's just like, it's just going to be way less headaches. So is it any any other car that's above that you start having more and more and because originally we were actually going to get this BMW M2 CS, which we'll pivot to in a minute. And he's like, the automatic gearbox is you got to have the all wheel drive. It won't work on any of the rear wheel drive ones. Whoa. Yeah. Okay. So so interesting stuff. Yeah. Funky. Yeah. So the M2 CS CS usually means it's the best we can do in BMW speak modern BMW speak, right? I mean, that's the M5 CS performance line three CS, right? You didn't put a better picture of it on Instagram because we actually have a video coming. You can see the camera gear ready because we were at Willow Springs ripping it. So Zach and I both drove this thing a bunch. It's it's got quite a bit more power. 536 horsepower, 32, 36. I think it's 523. 523. And it's only like 16 horsepower more than the regular M2, I think. It's not a lot. It's not a ton more horsepower, but what it is is 523. 529 pound feet. Thank you. Sorry. What it seems like it is. Oh my bad. 50 more horsepower than the regular 2025 M2. It has the M3 engine. Yeah. Like that's what it gets. It's the M3 engine. But it the last M2 I drove was a manual. It performs car of the year. And if you turn off trash control in that car, it would spin the tires in fourth as a six speed manual. And it was crazy, but it was very nice to slide. And it when when it broke traction, it did so in what I would say is a nice way. It was it was it that car to me, the manual gearbox M2 of this generation is like really a proper like hooligan type car. So I sort of thought that this would somehow be like even better. So like things that are better, it looks very nice. I think it looks very nice. It looked for what they've done with this design in general. I do think it's a good looking car. Profile is great. Yeah. The paint color is great. The wheel choice wheels look awesome. And the little the lip spoiler on the back is pretty rad. Yeah. Yeah, pretty good. That's a carbon trunk. Yeah. Yeah. When I parked it at good vibes next to a regular M2, it looks way better. The whole front end of the car is way better than a regular M2, in my opinion. Other things that are good, the dampers. Oh, yes. The like the same great shit like that made fucking Chris Harris and Jethro and all these guys like shit themselves with Glee about the old M5 CS. This has that. This has those it right. It handles like bumps and stuff like that one did. Yeah. I think it's great on the highway. It was it was fantastic how like comfortable it was on the highway. Remember when we drove up, I said, I wish this is how a new GT3 felt. Right. Because because and then in the canyons and also at the track, like it was absolutely tight enough, lockdown had some things we'll talk about in a minute. But the ride comfort was there and the sportiness was there. Yeah. And it was a really good breath of like softness for these shocks. Yeah. Like the spread of comfort to Sport Plus is a pretty good spread. But when you dial it down to comfort, it's not sloppy. Right. No, no, no. Like it's still nice. Yeah. In comfort. And in fact, I think I think Sport Plus was maybe a little too much, but on the track, I think I was in Sport. Yeah, we were in Sport most of the time. We tried Sport Plus. What this did that the MC 20 GT2 Stradale did not do is that in comfort mode road softly, but it pulled all the damper out. And that's what a lot of them do. Like, which means people like the shock is not doing anything. You're just basically riding on spring is what it feels like. So there's more movement in the car, but it will the tires and wheels are more pliable. Think 2015 C63 like like AMG cars from 2005 to 2016, you know, 2016, 17. Yeah, you just you lose some of the control over the chassis. But the exchange is that the car rides really nicely over certain kinds of bumps. Yeah. This they don't take all the damper out of it. So it's a really nice balance of responsiveness to bumps and potholes without feeling like the thing is just, you know, all the spring springs are cranked up and the dampers have been removed. Yeah. And this has the ceramic brakes. They're optional. They're like nine grand, which makes this $108,000 car. But they are very good. I mean, you know, no, no shit. They're good. And okay, so after that, is there anything else about this car that you absolutely love? Guys taking a break from the action because support is coming in fast like Jim Farley, the CEO of Ford, who's now got a podcast. And you're always asking me what I'm listening to when not recording this show. And right now it's this, the new season of Drive with Jim Farley. In it, the Ford CEO talks to some of his favorite people about what they're driving and what drives them to succeed like Formula One driver Daniel Ricardo. Listen, there's a well-worn trope about racing drivers not being interesting to listen to. But if there is one that is interesting to listen to, it is Daniel Ricardo. I think this guy's takes on stuff and life are great. And look, Jim is a racing driver also. I personally raced against him like two months ago. And for me, a CEO that drives race cars on the weekends is about the pinnacle of CEO-dom when it comes to car companies. So the two of them together obviously have a lot of things to discuss on Drive with Jim Farley, which you can get on your podcast app. Very easy to find. Drive with Jim Farley. Check it out. Transmission is pretty good. It seems like the same as the other ones. It's eight speed, fine. The transmission to me gets the job done, but not in a way that excites me. Very true. And that's true of any good ZF-8 speed. They've gotten it to a point where I feel like if you're breaking really hard into a corner, you're not using the engine to deselt anyway. And the transmission will meet you when it's time to roll back onto throttle. But sometimes the downshifts are just like slower than I want them to be. Whereas a DCT is like, you know, snap a snap a snap and it's right there. Counterpoint, the Vantage S we just had was as close as I could imagine it getting. It's not a DCT, but it's like a real good. It's real good. It's real snappy, but gearbox not inspiring. And then I sort of, I couldn't get, now maybe I suck at driving possible. And you had go on the track as well as on the street. Now, let me just start with the street. I thought on the crest, this thing fucking ripped. I thought it was great. I left the stability control, shit on. I left the shocks in comfort and let put the powertrain in kill. And I thought it was a great, great Canyon car. I still hate the seats. I'm always going to hate these seats, but at least in this car, it was the last car I drove with these seats. I can't remember if it was the M3 or the M8. But the last car I drove with these fucking seats, the seats didn't quite face straight at the pedals. And so I had to like offset my feet to the right, which this bucket thing then left like a bruise in my thigh. So at least the pedals were right in front, but getting it out of this thing was brutal. Yeah, it's annoying. It's tough. I mean, once you're there, look, it's the CS. So, I mean, in the canyons, like it holds you in place and then your arms are just free to do what they want. Like my car or other cars we driven, we have that, the F80 we rented for that video, like you have to hold yourself in place a little bit. So this is a race bucket, but getting these seats in a car that's not going to be tracked is real stupid. It's brutal. It's really, really silly. Yeah. The seats, like, you know, I don't know if you can get this car without those seats, but that would be really delightful. If BMW, like whatever their special wishes program is, does it, that would be kickass. So don't love the seats, but okay. I and the canyons absolutely love this car, but I can't, other than the dampers and the ceramic brakes, I can't really say that it was, you know, $30,000 better than an M2. And in fact, if you throw in the fact that the regular one comes in a manual, to me, that may make it the better street car. Yeah. Especially if we're talking about money being real and we know we're not playing car journalist fantasy. $30,000 is a lot of real money and it's 50% higher than the regular one. Yeah. Nearly, right? Yeah. So, you know, we drove that light blue manual car that was when it launched, like we did a video on that and go watch it. And for that money, that is a very good, very capable fast car. Takes over where the M3 has kind of abandoned because it's a four door now. There wasn't a ton I didn't like about that. That wasn't just subjective aesthetics. Like, even the screen, it's annoying. There's all these icons, all that stuff. That shows some Windows 95 ass fucking screen. It looks brutal. It's, I mean, Hyundai takes the cake on difficulty in adjusting things, but different. So, Hyundai has menus within menus and menus that lead back to menus and like the maze of menus is Hyundai's problem. This shit is just an endless grid of same looking icons. Very true. Yeah, there's no like color coordination. Think of what you like about carplay when you go, oh, look, all the app icons are different because that's how apps work. Not this. This is just a bunch of blue folders that all look the same. This might as well be taxes, 2024 PDF, you know, dads, dads of whatever resume PDF, Brian's homework PDF, and it's just white fucking boxes of blue. That's very, very true. It's like that. And maybe now I didn't mess with this car long enough. Maybe there's a way to do like shortcuts and things like your most frequented folders. I'm sure there is. But, but that aside, regular M2 is a very good capable car. But the CS and the regular two, it's the same. So this 30 grand more. I mean, yes, you get a quote M3 engine, but I mean, some of the value people put on that is like the mystique of it. And it's a real M engine. The regular engine is so strong anyway, like I kind of don't care tires. It makes tons of power. You can mod it to tons of power. The manual is fine. The big thing was after we drove this on the track, I was like, I don't know what you really get for the money. And in fact, even the first time you the first time you even say tracks. So we also we actually, you know, take advantage of the corporate Willow Springs membership here, took it to the track, had a lovely day fucking willow to yourself. This is wild. The tits as it were. And they've got candy in there. It's crazy. And we spent a day at the track with this car. And it I don't know. I mean, I just raced one of these things like a BMW like that shaped kind of like this for hours. And we did pretty good. Like, I'd like to think that I'm capable of driving this car in a decent way. I every corner really when I started to push this car and started to go quick. It it pushed all the way to the apex. And that of every corner. And then as soon as I started to get back on the gas, just switched from push to like snap oversteer. And if you like left the traction control fully on, it wouldn't do that. But if you turn the traction control off, like that was like its natural tendency, when I had the M2, it performs car the year. If you turn the traction control off, when you stood on the brakes and turned into the corner, it would rotate the back out under braking. This car doesn't doesn't do that. Now, that could be because it has cup twos and the suspension setup just gives you that much more grip that it's natural intent is not to slide. But instead, its natural intent is to push a little bit, which once, you know, once you start to feed in throttle coming out of the corner, it doesn't it then takes very little throttle to overwhelm the rear tires and transition from a push to a big snap, which I did over and over and over in the video. And again, if you leave the traction control on, okay, that's fine. I'm not I'm not anti traction control, if you want traction control. But it's it if you leave it on and you tried the multi stage, there was level four, level five, where there was a pretty big drop off. Yeah. In instability. And I thought even all the way down to like two, or I forget is high. Whatever the second was from zero to 10. And like one of them want either zero or 10 was off. I forget and I kind of explored three or four of them. Yeah. The even the last one was like pulling more power than I wanted. And so I don't know. I never found a balanced way through a corner. I never found a way to really initiate a slide on entry. It took me too. It it took considering I shot the fucking Valhalla video like three days before I shot the BMW video, you think like same guy. Well, MC 20, we were there the week before. Yeah. And you did really nice slides on the same tires. Yes, there were pilots work on that car. Obviously mid engine versus front engine. But for the most case for most people, a front engine car is the easier one to slide. Front engine rear drive 500 horsepower car to pilot sport cup twos because I have not I don't know that much experience on them. Do they normally snap like, you know, PS fours are known for being really progressive as are a lot of other like street sport tires. Yeah. But once you get up to like cup race tire, they're not it's snappy. But but still, it shouldn't push like that at the front and then transition to snap. It's weird. And I agree. I mean, I went out there and it just I mean, the steering is numb. That's a BMW problem has been for a long time. Steering wheels too thick. Don't know why. But that that means you don't get dialogue with the front tires. So you're coming into the corner and you have to like listen or it's really hard to notice that you've lost the front a little bit. And then yeah, you start to just lean on the throttle and it's you feel it lean, lean, lean and then just kicks out. Oh, I just remembered, I'll tell you what compounded this was that in the six speed with the B 58, the regular m2 is B 58, right? Yeah, with the six speed with that engine, the torque curve and the gearing are matched really nicely. Same as the manual transmission super actually. Whereas now you have with the eight speed auto, if you want to do slides, second gear is too short and third gear is too long. And so I found myself like in between these gears, a lot in terms of pace, there's kind of a big gap there, not in terms of like the gear ratio, just in terms of weather, going through these sort of these corners, whether you're like in or out of boost, it's like a pretty sharp spike of boost in this particular engine. Sorry, the engine, the regular m2 is the S 58. Oh, okay. What's it, what is it in this one? It's an evolution of the B 58, the code in this. Sorry. That's okay. I don't know my BMW engine codes that makes me not credible in this scenario. Same. When Zach does this thing with his eyes, I know something. I know something. So anyway, it's if you are a huge BMW nerd, I totally get wanting to have this thing, especially if your spine can handle the seats. And the dampers are fucking awesome. They really are. Like the tuning of the shocks is great. The tuning of the brakes is really good. And we had a, you know, it was a very hot day, high 90s, I think we was out there at Willow. It wasn't super hot. And the car behaved itself just fine. Although after a while you could smell it dumping fuel into the cylinder head to like cool itself. Yes, you could. But it did behave. It did. It had absolutely no issues ripping around a very hot racetrack. We do have a video. It will be coming out soon. And I didn't like, I didn't not like it. I just like for the extra money, I thought it would be a little more, a lot more fun on the track than the regular M2. And I don't think it was. In fact, I think it maybe was a little less fun, which is a kind of a bummer. Yeah, it would be interesting to see what the lap time would be between the two of them on a track that doesn't reward huge power because 50 horsepower is a lot. So like on streets, you probably make up some time on the straight ways. But if it was just a pure like handling track, I wonder what the difference would be with these sophisticated dampers. And mostly if you turn traction off on both of them, you know, which one's actually easier to manage. And would that ease results in a quicker lap time? Or is the grip level like really similar other than the tires? I don't know. I was kind of, I was shocked and disappointed because I thought this was the one and with the old M2 CS, that was the one because it had the adaptive dampers. But now, but you could also get an Emanuel. You could get an Emanuel also. But like, you could get a CS and Emanuel last gen and it was so pretty. Remember how pretty it was? Blue and gold. Oh, all day. All day. Blue and white gold. It was fine. That was also 100 grand, wasn't it? 92 93 with ceramics. Yeah. Yeah. That was the first one to crack 90. Yeah. And now 20 over that is fucking pretty though. Holding value. Well, I think for sure with a stick, course it is. Of course it is. It would be criminal for a car like that to not hold value. That was a no brainer. I said in the fucking video, we drove that thing. I went, this is a, this is an extremely obvious buy. Sure. Because it looks good and it's fast and it has all the pieces because the new M2 comes with the regular one. You can get a manual. You can get it with adaptive dampers. Yeah. But it doesn't have the styling of the old one. Right. Yeah. So that's the M2 CS. I spent today, I spent today doing, I spent the day doing a lap around Los Angeles to visit my cars. I didn't post any photos yet. They're actually, they're, I'm waiting to, I mean, do a little content strategy. No, I'm not. But I went to visit the Kuntosh at Franco's European Sports Cars. Damien was there and the boys. And the good news is, yeah, I have, the good news is, I have an assembled rear suspension minus a damper. My, excuse me, a dampers. Because the Kuntosh, if you recall, has six shock absorbers. Right. Two in the future. Double rears. Double rears. Double rears and then one in the front. And those six shock absorbers took a little Vacasiones to South Florida to be rebuilt. Oh, okay. Yeah. Fortunately, they were present. They weren't lost, which is good because they could be a bitch to fucking replace. But they definitely were shot. And so they've gone to be rebuilt. They'll be back in a couple weeks. Yeah. Not the first old Italian to go there to get some work done. And you, in this photo that you can see the rear hub, which was, has been re, re-finished and rebuilt. So all re-greased. Good to know. And so they're doing the front hubs. And Damien's tool, the thing that he uses to remove the bearing from inside the hub, it's a very specific tool. He says the tool is, quote, older than he is. It's, my hub sheared it. So he has to have another tool made. Whoa. So we're a little bit stalled. Yeah, you can see, this is the rear, but if you're looking at the photo, you can see in the center in the inside there, that little bit. There's a, there's a tool that removes those. So. And your Lambo thing broke it. Well, we have three out of four are good to go, but we're on a holding pattern for the fourth. So hopefully the tool comes back around the same time the shocks do. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So the good news is my bill was much, much smaller this month. That's good. That's good. So these end links look so nice. Dude, these are such this color. It's like a bronze-ish color. Yeah. On these end links, that's rad. Every bit of that is brand new. All of those hardware, all that shit is brand new. It's just the hub is the only thing that's left from before. Wow. So that's cool. Very, very cool. So we have some things. There are, there are in fact some things. Look at the frame of the subframe of this car. It's just tubes. I mean, it's just, which is cool. It's race car shit. It is. It's just so different from today's, you know, super cars, you know, carbon or, you know, pressed aluminum. And this is just, just tubes. It's just tubes hand-welded with speed holes in like the fucking weird plates. Yeah. It's great. So then I went to go see Mr. Schaunt over at CMS Motorsports to talk about our powertrain plans, but also to get a look at this, this photo is from the other day, but now all the fenders are on the car and they've been blended. Whoa. Yeah. So this dude is hand, we were there hand-making the steel fenders. So they do like English wheel style or whatever. Wow. Yeah. I mean, it's, I don't think it's necessarily wheel. They have, they bought an E 500 donor car and they're, they took a mold off of the car. I mean, not even like a mold. They literally, he molded this one off of that car. So it's like, it's just molded off of an E 500. I don't think he has to English wheel it. Okay. It's just because it's a relatively small part, but he was hand, like he was tacking and fucking blending it in. So it's going to look exactly like an E 500. Like it's pretty, it's pretty sick. Super cool. So I ordered the fabric. Dude, it went on sale. Hey, the fabric I wanted went on sale in between when I was looking at now. How did that happen? I don't know, but it's half price. Lucky me. I mean, it wasn't like that expensive anyway, but it went from $62 a yard to like 26 fucking score. So I got myself six yards. I think I should only need like four, but you know. Yeah. I bought weight. I bought 10 yards for my car and I have five yards left over. It's too much. So I'm going to do, I'm going to do six should be enough because I'm just doing front seats, back seats and door cards. Okay. Yeah. Six should be just right on. Yeah. Yeah. Just, yeah, for just inserts. And you can always, where's it from? Where'd they send it from? It's from modern fabrics. It's from the same place I got the Fox body from. So it's easy to get more is what I'm saying. It's not I could get more. No, I could get more. I don't know what country it's in, but I don't know what's coming from, but, but I, I could get more. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, this is going to look rad. I can't believe it's happening so quickly. Yeah. And the powertrain we're getting, we bought it in a 2002 E 55 donor car for $6,000. Wow. Yeah. It looks fucked up, but the engine works. Crashed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Use all parts of the buffalo. Yeah. That's rad. Yeah. So it's going to be, it's going to be really interesting. Top down, glug glug. Yeah. I think what did Sean say? Super sprint makes the exhaust. He has an, he has an actual E 500 with a super sprint exhaust on a sound nice. And we were originally talking about getting those crazy recaro seats with like all the buttons and shit. They are so expensive. 20. 20 Gs. No, no, no, no, no, but they're like, but they're like 35 hunj aside. Okay. So you end up, yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. No, no, no, no, that's a no, but, but there's a seat rebuild kit from Mercedes that Sean says, we should, we should just get him on the show next week, but he says, basically, they can turn my old tired seats with the rebuild kit and into factory looking and feeling new E 500 seats using the same frames. All right. So like he, and I sat and hit, because I was like, look, my back, the reason I can't drive old cars without putting brand new seats in them is that my back is fucked up. You can do it. So he goes, okay, go sit in, in my wife's car, whatever it was. And I was like, Oh, this is, this is good. It has like thigh bolstering and like and like all this. And I was like, can you, you can make this out of my seats? And he's like, yeah, for, and it's cheaper than getting the other seats. So like, perfect, great, perfect, great. Cool. So we have to choose exactly what we're going to do the dash inserts because we're pulling out the wood grain. Yeah. No go. We're also doing a full chrome delete. I wonder if you can get some sort of mother of pearl panel, it would be probably fake and it would be trashy. Maybe that would get into like Japanese VIP. That could be cool. But it would be fake though. Yeah. Is the problem. We were just going to do aluminum. Just keep that because there's already crazy pattern. That's true. Like in the seats, that's true. You don't want to clash patterns. You don't need to go crazy. You don't need to go nuts on the pattern. And so we're just going to do just the aluminum, the brush, like the brushed one, which I think will work. It'll work, especially if your wheels are aluminum. Yeah. The wheels, we're going to do silver, but like I want like, it's got, I want it to look like bright, like liquid, like liquid, you know what I mean? Like icy, fucking bright, but not not chrome. You know what I mean though? Yeah. Where they put that clear on it where it gets that real apex does that. They have like, they have a brush, silver, and then they have whatever the other ones call where it's got a thick layer of clear coat on it. It's incredibly bright and shiny without being chrome reflective. Yeah. Because the wheels, they're, it's, they're 17s, 17 and 18s. We're not even, we're not even doing it. We're using the exact size of a factory E 500 wheel, like just like Mercedes would. It looks like a monoblock the HRE, but we got to do it in 17s to make it like look right. So because it's small, you know, you want to do it in a, in a bright color. So it looks bigger effectively. Yeah. That's true. Especially with the red, red with like bright, clear coat silver is sick. That looks hot. Yeah. This is red. Be really fun. Be very, very cool. The coolest fucking cruiser. But we're going to do the tow, the OE E 500 suspension, which if you were getting a replacement kit today for like a factory car, it's an H&R spring and a Bilstein damper that's just the OE replacement. So it's going to sit at the EVE, the stock E 500 height. And apparently the brakes that you want to get are the ones just off the off the R129 SL like I had, they're effectively just as good, but like they're way cheaper. So those are just available. We can just get those for fucking nothing. Nice. And then the rest of it, the complete powertrain comes out of the E 55, the gearbox, the rear end, all of it. So they just, they just make it fit. Yeah. They rebuild it and clean it up and, and make it fit. But it's going to be a five speed automatic and, you know, we, but the M 113 engine that is the E 55 engine is like smaller physically. So it was like, you know, either you'd have to fucking knock back the firewall and shit to put an actual E 500 engine in there. And that's a worse engine than the E 55 engine. Like you might as well just use the fucking E 55. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. The firewall work is that was significant too. That's serious work. And rather than trying to figure out how to make the pedals and, and the throttle by wire work, you just take the pedal box from the E 55, you just use the complete pedal box. Apparently you just have to make like a bracket and then it just works. So cool. Cool. Do they give you a time like, is there an estimate now? Because he wants to bring this car to fucking car week. He said that. Yeah. I don't give a shit. He so four months, he said that. So, but he said the bodywork will be done by the middle of next week. Wow. Yeah. I mean, they're, they're on it. Yeah. This isn't like we're doing yours for a little bit and then we're doing this other car in this other car. No, he's, he's on it. So I don't have any photos to share just, just right yet. But the other debate is the 80s, Benzos, like the pre-merger shit, the, the, you know, the, the wide body stuff, they did a body color grill instead of like shiny grill. My car, we have to replace the grill because it's fucked up. Yeah. But your car's red. My car's red. Yeah. I don't think a body color grill works at all on my car. Yeah. Because those cars were gray, right? The ones you're talking about. They're like, well, there are some that were red that in the 80s, it's different. And the SEC grill, the wider grill, some of those work in red. But like, like what about that? Is that, is there a red one? Do you see any reds? No, not yet. These are silver, gray. These are all like dark gray hammers. We're looking at for people listening. Did you Google red? Yeah. Add the search term red. So, okay. Now what do we think? I think some, I don't think it's terrible. It's better than I expected, but I, I would still want to see it with at least like, if the slats were black. Is that like red and black really? No, I mean, every, no, the black here in the center is where the actual radiator fins are, I think. What about, what about the, this is bad. That's so bad. Yeah. That's too much. That's what mine would look like. That's not good. That's not good. No, we can't do that at all. If you have, that's an 83 different shaped grill. And that, and one might even say that that's too much. That's, I don't think that's great. I don't, yeah. Is there one, is there one with a silver grill? Let's see. There, just look at that one, the 500 CE. Yeah, look at that. So, I think that's better. That's just the stock silver grill. There's also different headlights. I mean, there's a different year. I think, hmm, I kind of don't hate like if the grill surround was red, but then everything inside was black, I might like it better because it's, it is kind of a smooth shape. That's kind of interesting. This silver stands out and I don't like that it kind of goes back up the hood a bit. It's so bright. So, this might be too much. What is that? The 300 CE, yeah, the one there, 300 CE, 3.2. What is that? So, that's red surround silver slats. Inserts. We'll call it, yeah, slats. Huh, huh, tough. I don't know. Red surround with black could actually work. Is that like, like that? Is that red black? That's kind of red, red, red, gray. Yeah. The red surround, I think, is a starting point, isn't it? Yeah, it's not as bad as I thought. Like this is body color, right? That's just gray. That's sort of silver, gray. Hmm, very interesting. I'm gonna have to do some more homework on this one. You know, I guess, I think in the 80s and granted, like you're making a car that, oh, here you go. That's, so that's different though, because it's the wider grill. It is, but it is red and black. Yeah. Just to look at how that would work. I think that works, doesn't it? I think it's better. I think it's a great compromise. I think the all red is very like, it's gonna be awesome. Everyone's gonna know what I am when I roll up. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? It's a lot of that, because you got to stand out from your boss who also works at the firm, but you're not coming in like that, you know? It's like, fuck it. Oh, go, go, so go up a little bit to that blue one. See that? So that is, if you imagine that as a convertible, that's, that's pretty much how my car is gonna look. I mean, the fender flares are great. Yeah, that's my car as a convertible, more or less. And let's try to find a shot of the grill. This is blue. This is a terrible website. Blue, blue. It's broad arrow. You put, you pick up. It is clunky. Oh, yeah, those are the seats I'm not getting. So that's blue surround with a stock insert. Yeah, the stock insert looks faded. I think, I think you might get away with black. Red, black. Yeah. Wow. I never would have thought it started. I wouldn't have either, but I'm on board now. But let me look how, by the way, sold price, $885,000. It's a six liter. That's why, because it's an actual hammer coop. But that's, in terms of the bodywork and shit, like that's picture that in red. And that's exactly what my car will, will look like pretty much. I'm looking for, there we go. I want to see how far this hood kind of, or sorry, the grill draws up the hood. Oh yeah. This seems like it less, the one we looked at that was red. It's like this huge wave of silver was crashing up the red hood. So maybe yours is smaller like this. Mine is mine. What year is this one? What year is this car? $81.91. Mine's a post facelift. Mine's a 94. So I don't know, but I think the red surround black insert could be where it's at. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Good times. Fun. Yeah. I think that'll be a really neat cruiser. Yeah. Fucking hell. Is that it? That's it. We're giving away a Porsche people. Did you know that? You probably heard me say it in a sting I recorded earlier today at the beginning of the show, but we are. You can go to the link in our biota to get entered to win. You can read all the rules and regulations. Please do. You can enter from other countries besides the U.S., not every country, but there are some countries, I think, including Canada that you can enter. It ends August 20th. There is a charitable component to it, which does make your tickets tax deductible. Just saying. Just saying. And yeah, Dan, go use the link in our bio. Use the link in the show notes and you can win. I would like to take it to the people, to the patrons. What do you say, Clapman? Let's do it. Let's do it. Get the power to the people. Can you talk about what they get? I think I might pour myself a Japanese whiskey. Would you like one? It's an evening show. No, I'm good. You go to the gym already today? I did already, but I had wine last night and that's enough. I'll call for me for... I'm... Dude, I just don't drink that much anymore. My brain does not like it. Okay, mine does. Yeah, I wish I was who I was five years ago. I just enjoy it more. If you are not a Patreon member, what you get are things that our crowd asked for vehemently, constantly bugged us all the time before we had a Patreon. They wanted the show early. They wanted the show without ads. They wanted to be able to post questions and we were getting too many of them. So if you go to patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast, you can join our amazing friendly community of patrons. Tears started at just three bucks. You can watch the show live there. You can get an ad-free show. You can get an early show and pro and champ tears get one extra show a month that the public will never, ever hear. Never. Never. They'll never hear. That's where I spill the goods. That's where I talk about the people I know in the Epstein files. What's that? All right, we'll go to the fucking people. Let's do it. Now that I have my Japanese whiskey, I am ready. Smells good. Dude, we're like halfway through the rum. Really? You're? I mean, I'm not sipping it by myself. I hosted, I cooked four meals for people this weekend and I hosted and I'm telling everybody, we're going through it. You know what we need to do. Buy a couple cases. Keep telling everybody like the Dino guy. Pump the market. Flip. Yeah, for sure. Ferrari Lucadora says, Ken in from Cars and Bids sold his SL65 to a buyer in Dallas. It seems like the right place for it. High speeds and no curves. I gotta say, every time I've been to Dallas, all I've done is sit in traffic. But you do you. If you sold each of your cars, what's the perfect landing spot? Oh boy. That's a lot of cars and a lot of landing spots. So I'll pick a couple. If I sold my Lamborghini Qantas, I would like it to stay in Los Angeles. It's a Hollywood car. Yeah. It's got the Cindy Crawford Pepsi. It's been in commercials and shit. It's been in Hollywood for a long time. I'd liked it to stay in LA. Remember, I sold the DeLorean and went to Germany and the guy was like driving it around with all like on the California tags in Germany and apparently getting huge cred for that. That's pretty cool. It's dope. Yeah. Where would you like your M3 to go if you sold it to somebody? Oh. Oregon? Good roads. No rust. I don't know. It's green. A lot of forest up there, maybe. That would work. If I sold the Delica, I think it should go to Nantucket. I think it would be a good, a great Nantucket vehicle. Doug would probably point at it and you could park it next to his convertible G-Wagon thing. Nantucket is all about weird vintage SUVs. That's the move there. So I think that would be good. I think the POW would be really fun in Monaco. Oh, of course. Sure. Because it's almost like a Fiat Jolly, but I bet you in Monaco, they see more Fiat Jollies than they do fucking POWs. I bet you the POW would be proper exotic in Monaco. And it would work there. That's the biggest thing. It would work and it's an exotic, practical exotic. Yeah. The Manx would also work in Monaco. That would be a fucking vibe. Park in front of a casino would be very cool. Wow. I mean, you do not want to drive around Monaco during Grand Prix weekend, but like that would be a baller ass move to bring your Manx to Monaco for Grand Prix weekend. My buddy's... Just leave it on your yacht so we can look at it. My buddy's in Monaco right now. Oh, that is not doing anything. Chach, my bachelor party. Shout out to Chach. Oh, he's there? He's there. He's in Monaco right now for his buddy is having, I forget what he was calling it, but it's effectively, it's the mirror of a bachelor party, which is a divorce party. It's a divorce party. Somehow I knew. Somehow the way you looked at me, I was like, this is a divorce party. Yeah. Of all the places to go. So, my homey from high school, he's over there and he's sending me, you know, photos of cars. He's not sending me photos of hookers. He's sending me photos of cars. But he's like, you know, there's like a T-50 parked in front of this and a Veyron and this and that. And I'm like, I'm kind of like yawn. And then finally he sends me a picture of a street park to Launcey Astratos. And I'm like, now we're talking. Now that's the Monaco I know and love. The T-50 is pretty cool too. That shows some taste. Yeah, of course it does. There's nothing wrong with that at all. But like, of course there's a T-50 in Monaco. There's probably 12 T-50s in Monaco. But yeah, the Manx would be good in Monaco as well. I bet they haven't seen shit like that. I had, you know, I had over, was one of the people I cooked for this weekend was Max from, from, from Manx. Max from Manx. But Max is from Bespoke who makes the radial engine. And he was with them before Manx acquired the company. So he's been there for a while. And they're doing like a bunch of other stuff. Like I sort of thought that once Manx acquired the company, that it was just all about engines for, for cars. But are there still doing a bunch of, they're doing like, I don't want to accidentally speak out of turn and talk about something that I'm not supposed to. But like, they've got a lot of other things they're doing with radial engines, which are very fucking cool actually. Helicopters. Aviation, aviation stuff and military stuff and all kinds of interesting things. Nice. Like, I'm not trying to like tease and then not say. But like, I just, I heard that I was listening to the story, telling about how, what the company was like, you know, before they got involved with Manx and like sort of how they've pivoted a little bit, but also how they've gotten some other interesting contracts and commission because it is, it's literally a company for building weird engines. And so like, do you want to build, you know, a flat 12 out of three Subaru four cylinder engines? Like in that kind of thing. Like Rob Dom would love these fucking people. Cool. Yeah. So, so they're doing weird engines and for a variety of applications, which is pretty fucking cool. Wheat City Night Court says it's a trope with car guys to eventually get old enough that realize dailying a finicky car is untenable. And then they get a daily. Does the same happen in the watch world? Do guys settle down with a nice courts or two as regular wear watches? Well, what people have their own, like really interesting habits for watches. Like I don't, unless you're talking about stuff that's like either like so artistic and weird and fashion obla that you're like, you couldn't pot like you can't wear MB and F like just if you get to your day job, you look like a weirdo, you know, if you, unless you're Pharrell, like you can't just wear something like that around like $150,000 watch outside of shit like that. I don't know. Me and my friends are not necessarily afraid of wearing our medium to high end watches every day. That's like, that's an okay thing for the folks that I fuck with. And so we don't really have like a daily. At least that's like my people. I know a lot of people, Zach. Zach has a daily. You're the fucking G-Shock. Yeah. Is the daily and you wear something nicer for nicer occasions. For sure. Which is fine. I just like that it's super light and I don't have to worry about it. And I also really like wearing it. Like I look at it and go, just comics. I really like it. So it's kind of both. It's good. I wear my Black Watch yesterday. Wear that on the Rolex. Good. I mean, I just, it's, and I'm not, it's not about like being like afraid or whatever. Like it's, it's not for every occasion. But I do try to match my watch to my company if I'm hanging out with certain people. Like because it does project an image. Sure. One way or the other. Sure. So, you know, it depends on your personal vibe though. I don't think it's, I think it's just like how you're feeling. You know. Even if you have nice watches and if you're like your boss, like, you know, maybe you don't want to wear a watch. It's like nicer than your boss. But like maybe if you have like pretty dope watches, like maybe you and your boss like bond over that. Like I could, that could see that going both ways. Yeah. If you don't overstep or outshine him or them. Right. But it shows, especially if you wear something that's like a little bit off the beaten path and shows you're into the hobby. And that's how you guys can, that's when you get down with the micro brands, the lecturers watches and all the weird stuff. Yeah. Obviously you're not a golf bar. That's a good one. That's fucking fabulous. I'm okay. I'm looking for a less than five year old car for long road trips and parking in LA. But I really care about a quiet cabin. I basically want a Lexus LS the size of an A3 but even the luxury brands seem to have a lot of road noise at 80 miles an hour for their smaller offerings. Current front runners are a McCann, the Genesis G 70, anything smaller or quieter in your experience. Now that's very interesting. Very specific. It is very specific. Also, you can quiet your car down. True. You can take virtually any car and have a custom shop add dynamite like in places that will actually make your car no little bit quieter. Very true. You also can change the tires and make your car quieter. Because a lot of these cars, it may be the tires that they're sold with. If you look at the reviews and the decibel level is whatever, some of that could be tire noise. A lot of the noise that comes into cars is either like the wind buffeting or wind noise from its drag and wheel well sounds. So that's some things you can address. So let me think. Volvo XC40 could be a good one. That wasn't bad. That wasn't bad. Go around. That was pretty good. I think that was quieter than the RAV4. Small. I mean my recommendation because I don't stay up on kind of the normal commuter cars and the decibel levels. I would go look at a car and driver or similar magazines like they do 10 best. A car and driver specifically does a lot of like here are 10 commuters and we're testing all of them and they do a lot of data and they will have all of the decibel readings for 70 miles per hour and that might get you where you want to be. So also they mentioned an A3. I have to feel like an A3 has got to be one of the quietest cars in its class. I'd hope so. I feel like there's also well there is that new Lexus that's like the size of the Prius. Oh yeah. That's like the Lexus Prius. There's that thing. Honestly a Prius might be quiet. A Prius with a dynamite would probably be very quiet. Super slippery and if you put some like softer tires on it that might be pretty pretty hush hush. You're not well you don't want to fucking you don't want an electric car. Long road trips I imagine you're not going to want an electric car. Gas, McCon, Genesis, G70 are good options. Like they both are and if you optimize for tires like either of those would be would be very nice. I think I think possibly a Volvo XC40 would be maybe worth checking out. What's that? What's the smallest Lincoln? The Nautilus? Oh it's a pretty good looking car too. The small...Linkins are quiet. They're they're fucking tuned tuned real quiet. I would the Corsair. The Corsair. That's the small one. The Corsair yeah. I would maybe check out a Lincoln. A Lincoln Corsair. Maybe right? P-Car photos. In 10 years what car is going to be the new Altima? Clapped out paper tags, bumper hanging off, fucking swangin' down the 405. This is so easy. Model 3 gen 1 obviously. First gen model 3s are already like so far on their way there. Yeah and driven like psychopaths. I am starting to see some really you know for a while people like people who bought Tesla's like tended to like keep them up pretty nice. I'm starting to see the beaters. Oh for sure. They're now old enough and there's enough of them that I'm really starting to see some beat model 3s. I've gotten picked up in some that are real haggard and you know they and they the powertrain feels fine. They still ride like garbage but they are trashed inside. Model Y with blown out dampers is a damn terrible thing. Oh boy. Don't Rob me says... Fuel crisis. I read the first sentence in my head and I was like I better read the second half of this before I just read it out loud. This motherfucker will read anything we write. Even though Zach does pre-read. Zach would probably keep me from reading anything too terrible. Yeah I did look at these first. Okay fuel crisis and spikes have brought us Japanese economy boxes. The right turn on red and hybrids but also reduced speed limits. By the way also fucking twin turbo charging and a bunch of a bunch of technologies that now deliver a thousand horsepower pretty easily. Right the second part of this question basically leads to where you are. Yeah what is a positive that the current fuel price spike could bring about and something you hope it doesn't. A positive is people might decide EVs are a pretty good idea after all. Look EVs I have been pretty well convinced that EVs in general are a good idea and so our government's decision to effectively abandon all support for EVs is fucking insane. It's like it's just backwards science. It's like it's like climate denialism. It's like we had already agreed on this motherfucker. You know what I mean. It was like and I don't mean I don't mean that that Biden's 2030 you know ban on internal combustion cars was realistic. That wasn't either but I'm talking about the funding to build the infrastructure network that will help us get to more EV adoption. You know the thing we need to get to the place whatever. Anyway I think the if the if the price stays where it's at or continues to go up I think people will consider new EVs as well as used EVs for the further next car and maybe hopefully they'll consider a down size in some some way shape or form in terms of the physical size and displacement and fuel economy of their vehicle. That would be amazing and miraculous. I think I think look directing injection is one of the most amazing and powerful automotive technologies of like the last 20 years and it came about because of mandates both from the public and from the government of saying hey we need cars to be more efficient in a bunch of ways. So they said okay how do we do that. How do we get how do we burn the fuel more more completely and the result of that is all the crazy horsepower we have mixed with turbo charging. So and mixed with vastly improved efficiency if that's the goal as well. I mean you know because they came they went at it with like we need to burn more of the fuel more completely. They did that but then you also get more power. Yeah so maybe we'll end up with a gas banks method. Yeah it is right. Yeah stop sending all the horsepower out the exhaust pipe. Yeah smoke stack so maybe we'll get more power from smaller engines but I also think it'd be great if people rethought how they consume gasoline and for people yelling like the grid that can't handle it the grid can respond if the market demands the grid respond. I thought about the fact that I took the spider out on Friday and I went to the car meet up the hill and I had a lovely drive by myself and I filled up my spider with six dollar and ninety nine cent a gallon gas and I went I'm about to burn this off for fun and I was like it's I'm very fortunate and and and even if gas gets pretty expensive you know I'm in the car business like gas isn't you know gonna affect our bottom line I realize it's not not the same for a lot of people but but I did it for the perhaps the first time ever I was like huh huh this is I'm about to burn off a whole tank of this just recreationally and all I'm doing is you know you're about to drop $70 in three hours yeah just to drive yeah to drive so it's like oh boy so um you know someone emailed me uh our dm'd or something from uh from Europe and said you know I've done the conversion and like my everyday gas is like the is like the equivalent of like 875 US dollars so like I think if gas stays if you know my friend uh my boy Brandon shout out to him back east um said you know he he the average is like four something in New York where he lives in the suburbs and I'm like how may be 699 over here if the rest of the country starts to see what we see what we're getting in California and California starts to get to eight nine that's the other half of that person's question was something you don't want to see which is just that you know people that cannot afford to pay more for gas and their fucking lives fall apart because sure because they have to decide you know well I mean the article we cited last week you know for most people this increases their gas costs by 300 bucks on average yeah some people more or less probably but if it starts increasing people's annual spend on gas by 500 a thousand I mean there are people that do not have $500 in a savings account yeah they can't handle that kind of swing and like that'll put a ton of pressure on a lot of people and that would be really horrible yeah this is a very hard question I saved a bunch of money on insurance by selling my BMW says was there one car that if it was never made cars as a whole would be in a much better place now what car has has inspired some kind of industry-wide adoption for the worse like I I think this is a really hard butterfly effect question because like when we would make a mistake in production you know the mistake would lead to people the next shoot going let's not do like let's not do a clap man like let's not do that again whatever that might mean it might mean forgetting to like you know format your car it might mean don't roll over the atv right but like everyone was probably a little better at their job because of that error and I think I I am sure that when like the Aztec came out they were meeting as it was like 12 years ahead of everything else everything's an Aztec now yeah I'm sure there were meetings happening around town that were like okay you're gonna draw a crossover but please don't draw that you know so we might have cars might have improved their design because someone had to really fall in their face I don't know I don't know what you could get rid of and it in the whole car community would be net positive all right I have one I actually have one I think the first generation Ford Explorer the first generation Ford Explorer pretty much created what the modern SUV is and and that began the shift away from cars sedans and wagons and minivans to everyone has an SUV or what is now called a crossover but an SUV shaped thing just in a different size packaging and like that may have happened eventually but it was really the fucking arrival of the Ford Explorer that that that did it maybe I could say the second gen Explorer the 95 because the first gen Explorer was a huge success but it was also like a fucking truck the second gen was when it was like let's make this into a car right that it looks like a truck you know what I mean so I would say maybe that see I don't know if that's net negative though because I think the buyers have shown they'd rather have a crossover and we talk as we age like getting into low cars kind of sucks and so if the if the Explorer led to a new kind of car that has the efficiency of a car and the ride comfort of it like a car meaning a sedan or a coupe but it has a hip point of like a truck or an SUV then people kind of got a product that they actually prefer so I don't know if that's a net negative now as car enthusiasts we go well the sedans are going away the wagons are going away yeah bummer for us right but I don't know if it's a bummer for anybody else I agree but I don't know of a car I don't know the car that is net negative for society but also like all right how about the Hummer H2 right because the Hummer H1 was a military vehicle clearly right they made it legal for the road but it was still always going to be stupid and niche but the H2 was like huge for everybody no no I think that's a good one that's a good one because it was really a Tahoe yeah but it might have led to like TRX wrapped or other stuff like that um I don't know Cybertruck yeah I mean Cybertruck yeah but I but so far I can't see anything that it's inspired I mean we our lives would be better because we wouldn't have to look at Cybertrucks but it's not like people are copying like I hate to say it and people are going to would call me a hater because I would say the Model S because like I like what the Model S did in terms of making EVs a desirable thing and and cool and refined and could sleek and all that shit but at the same time I can poo poo it because of the tablet oh so like it did give the world tablets right it gave the world tablets and touch screens yeah but it also like it also gave the world sexy EVs yeah yeah that's true it's a mix back yeah yeah good question good question Murray long last name I like that better thanks Murray keep going uh I want to complete I'm contemplating replacing my GR Corolla with two cars a fun car and a daily EV I get this I've narrowed the list list to a Maki and Ionic 5 and a Polestar 2 is there a reason to go for the performance variant of any of these if my fun car is a BRZ or Miata my commute is 30 miles round trip and I can L2 charge at work or home I do not think there is a good reason to go for the performance version of this of any of those cars for your commute do you know Zach I don't think so I think if you need if you really need all-wheel drive for the winter get the all-wheel drive but if not rear-wheel drive long range is the sweet spot for all these cars when it comes to commuting yeah and then rip your BRZ or Miata exception if they'll make you a great deal for a Maki rally uh yes because that also rides better than like like the Maki all-wheel drive that one had the stiffer suspension we didn't like so the rally rides really nice but yeah put comfort over those other things your poorest patron I somehow doubt it but but I'll let you call yourself that and I appreciate you clearly you're still a patron so 36 bucks a year fucking I will take it and I will I promise I will spend it wisely not on something frivolous like drugs or alcohol or gasoline as you sip whiskey this was given that was paid for by a different patron this was paid for by someone the one above above or below no it was paid for by those other people yeah it's crazy okay really enjoyed the r&t article oh about car companies abandoning rail car yes do you see this as being a potential whole the aftermarket fills where enthusiasts are able to tune build rest tomorrow cut rest oh my car is to satisfy the itch I mean uh yes I do but hand-building cars is expensive too yeah and so I've had multiple people email me in the last six months about do you think there's a market for a six-figure rest oh mod x 80s 90s cars fairly obvious candidates um and you know you know maybe but like still very expensive you know I'm and then you also don't have a warranty you don't have all of the technology that a new car comes with you don't have oem support yeah dealership support all that stuff so that that is something that we all have lost by car companies moving away from affordable sports cars yeah and I mean and right now anybody with a lot of talent you know who's building cars and stuff they're having trouble finding folks who want to come work for them so you know I maybe maybe the market will sort itself out and and people will realize hey you know there's some some money in in building cars for people there's some money in restoring and modifying and whatever and I'm gonna go and go and do that but um I mean buy an enthusiast car now I guess I don't uh uh I do think it's possible but also those cars are expensive um Dray from Houston one did we see the video of the cyber truck that tried to self drive a woman off of these freeway interchanges here in Houston I did see it yeah I mean you know over and over fsd is great right up until it isn't and that's the problem with it because it lulls you into a false sense of security it fucks up at the worst possible time you're not prepared and then the crash becomes your fault yeah and this was broad daylight by the way like a well marked highway was very funny about this is one of our mutual dear friends met today sent me a video of a tesla avoiding like an accident on a highway at night where there was just smoke you couldn't see anything but the tesla somehow knew to go around with the vehicle in the shoulder and he's like isn't this impressive jump ahead three hours and someone's like here's a video of a cyber truck crashing into a stationary k-rail in the middle of the daytime and just you know tesla giveth and tesla take us away I mean something can be impressive and almost and and also be problematic when used in public like yes it's impressive that it could do one thing but that has nothing to do with how it might handle this other thing right and and ultimately in these l2 systems like you're responsible for what it does like I got him kind of an argument with a guy the other night and he was like he's I guess a pilot he's a pilot's license whatever and and he basically was like he uses it all the time and he is not concerned and he basically says it's the least of all the things I do I ride motorcycles I fly he's like it's it's less dangerous than that any of those things and I go well I mean yeah okay but like you know it could also crash into somebody else it could also cause another problem and and like it's it's ultimately it's it's on you to to monitor it it's like it's just not it until the company making the software and operating the software takes responsibility for it like it's not it's not real like it's your fault still if something happens and I think some people are just more than willing to do that math and go okay well it's my fault but like also I don't really like driving and so if it's like those are dates worth risks yeah your friend in Miami right yeah I'm a shit driver this is better than me and that person's willing to accept that so far it's worked out fine and that's yeah I mean human thinking is it's worked out fine so far why change anything there was a there was a very funny I mean it's not it wasn't supposed to be funny it was only funny to me about a guy an article written by a guy who was on the one of the uber self-driving car development teams and his he has a Model X on on fsd and it crashed with all those kids in the car and he was like I used it you know all the time and it was fine and it and it was good and it and I just like assumed it would be fine and then I like woke up in the hospital guys you know and he's like the problem with being 99% good is that like youth you treat it like it's 100% like you me you me and a guy who works in the fucking industry like treats it treats 99 like it's 100 and there's such a big gap from 99 to 100 anyway my third leg can't touch my third pedal it's good installed some new tires but they squeal a lot mid corner at a moderate pace I still have grip I can continue to turn it harder but they squeal a lot should I be I'm not sure with the last sentences is it a result of a noisy tire or my driving badly some tires just squeal a lot yeah that's true especially like all seasons all seasons squeal like a bunch more is compared to the softer compounds of the summer tires yeah it can and it can be well before you're at the limit of grip or sometimes it's the surface you're on like around here when they have those the freeways that look like they were you know pressed with a comb and just like all that stuff so it could be a mix of both things but I don't know if you're turning at a normal speed because this person's driving a Chevy Bolt like if you're not speeding through the corner and it's doing it it's just the nature of the tire right when it gets leaned on for some reason it squeals way before it let's go I don't know uh dis moldering rim said people started buying the Pontiac Aztec ironically how cheap does the Cybertruck have to get to be to be in the same position so the question good question but we have to contextualize when did people start buying the Aztec ironically it certainly was not when they were fucking new no it was when a show was made breaking bad myth yes right so the question is what piece of media will canonize the Cybertruck as what the depressing car of like a of a failed you know teacher like of a not a failed teacher but like a broke teacher in Albuquerque you know like uh the the irony of that of the Aztec came much much later once like a Aztecs once the world became Aztecs yes you know how Billy do you know Billy Corbin the documentarian cookie Billy Corbin says if you want to see what America will be in 20 years look at Miami mmm Miami is America in 20 years which is not not fucking good but yeah he ain't wrong the Cybertruck it's like that you know what I mean the Aztec was America in 20 years the Cybertruck will be that maybe but the but the Cybertruck is politically toxic whereas the Aztec was merely a failure that ultimately wasn't that ugly or that terrible because the world just sort of bent back to it then it needs then the Cybertruck needs at least 20 years because I think that's about how long it took before you started seeing 9-11 jokes on Instagram it needs a huge amount of distance but also the distance hasn't begun yet actually because it's still politically toxic because the owner of Tesla is still politically toxic and operating so he would have to depart and then you need like 20 25 years before people can go oh remember that thing that was a weird idea and they're gonna start buying it for 10 grand in 25 years maybe everybody involved with Back to the Future will be dead and I'm not saying that I'm looking forward to that but like sure the reality is math probably that in math and then someone can remake Back to the Future because Bob Gale and everyone involved says no remakes it's perfect movie you cannot remake it I believe I agree actually cannot should not once they're dead someone's gonna and then the Cybertruck will become ironically cool because Doc Brown will turn one into a fucking time machine that's a great call because he could also make fun of it's past in 1985 when Back to the Future one came out the DeLorean was a joke it's a failure it was like we didn't we were children and now it's like it's still a it's a cool looking car but like it was a failure he would have bought that thing for nothing that in 1985 I think Doc Brown would use a different car but they would then travel back to 2020 and they would see Cybertrucks and make fun of them and then people start buying them ironically because they were like the villain car in this new Back to the Future reboot from 2015 yeah whatever the whatever Biff young Biff would be a mannisfir influence oh my god he will absolutely be that person grabs yeah nobody can turn this yoke but me that's exactly right that's good dungeons and datzens all right freaky Friday garage swap Zach if your budget was similar to mine oh this is a long answer what would your garage look like and if I was down to a two-car household what would my garage look like you go first because you have fewer things to describe I mean look if I how many cars you have right now six and a half I think like eight oh okay I I honestly don't recall and I don't want to do it out right now I think it's like all right wait the tycon the tycon the spider the manx the pow the delica the Mercedes the Lamborghini the Aston Martin are there more I don't I don't recall I don't think I don't think there's more yeah oh I think it's eight but it might also be nine I don't know the point is but you don't have to come up with nine I'm going with six I can't yes if my garage was two cars I mean genuinely I would be very happy to have my the tycon and the spider you know what do you need what do you need past that that would that would do it I mean those are both very very nice cars but if I had to choose to an EV nice EV for every day it's a wagon hold shit and then and then the spider for weekends and road trips and fun activities I'd be happy with that okay I oh I forgot that you have a coontosh did you forget that too did you say that one I don't call I I just realized my budget could go up like quite a bit but uh yeah okay then I'm just gonna go thanks how Delica Mercedes Aston all right yeah it's nine it's nine okay I would have an E90 M3 a 65 Pontiac with just a decent engine in you know four speed reliving high school a four-runner for camping overland stuff a Maki rally as my EV daily a C5 drift car a 360 Modena with a manual swap wow and then a V8 Vantage s my zack has very expensive taste well but if we take the coontough and we divide it by its parts you know I can sell some of those organs what a coincidence it's already divided by its parts who wants to buy a hub that's frozen oh I bought that hub twice okay reeducation through liftoff oversteer scrolls it down when fix thinking about trading a car in do you fix small blemishes and cracked windshields or do you just trade it on as the dealer can fix it for less trading in is a tough one I would only fix something that's real big on a trade in they're wholesaling that motherfucker out only like if you're trading a same brand if you're trading like the kind of car that they're gonna put back on the use lot like if you're trading an an off lease Panamera for a brand new Panamera and they got a two-year-old like real nice Panamera and they're gonna put that back on the lot maybe you maybe maybe maybe fix things if you're trading in a Camry to a mini dealer they're wholesaling that fucking thing out just whatever is it is yes right I don't really believe in fixing stuff before you trade it to a dealer do you think there's value in knowing what it costs to repair those things so if the dealer if the dealership goes oh windshields ding we got to replace that that's $800 and you go I know that it's 350 and then maybe just so that way you don't get fucked and they don't start deleting numbers from the total yeah that's I would that's like a lease return like if you're gonna get fucked on a lease return for a scratch or a chip in the windshield then maybe you want to figure it do it yourself but like if you're trading the car in they're usually not going to hose you from for like the amount of already hosing you on the price they're already on the price it's they're not going to hose you that much okay hitting a deer at the speed limit says of all the cars you've tested are there any cars that are one flash away from greatness such as meaning like I don't think that's a software flash I just think it's like if you changed one thing it would be perfect like both that Volvo Sian thing and the alpha the totem GT both had that weird steering thing where they didn't unwind the steering properly because the cast wrangles wrong yeah like those were both like almost perfect true except for that yeah um and well if they like take a new m2 new m3 well one flash I mean the design is one thing but dynamically like if you could add steering feel somehow and David Tewig has explained this is a very complicated thing to get steering feel but that is like the biggest add steering just yeah put it back it needs it needs it just put it in cars not there handles well is comfortable but it has no steering feel so yeah flash that um I mean what did he well I mean there's so there's a lot of cars like like three-liter 911s for instance it's not it's not super problematic because you can just flick it and it's clear that sport mode in three-liter 911s is the mode that the car is supposed to be in and then normal mode is like ecotune quiet sound fuel economy bullshit so like all 997.2 or excuse me 991.2 and 992 the twin turbo three-liter all the career align you have to flick it in sport mode and then you're like oh yeah that's how it's supposed like it literally like bogs the shit out of itself it just sucks in normal mode so you put in sport mode it's fine so a flash from greatness is just making sport mode nor the normal default mode like they've invented sorry Zach they've they've done the whole hybrid system to solve for that right like you don't need the hybrid system it works but you don't need any of that shit sport just start it in fucking sport mode and like I recognize fuel economy standards and and all these things and it's better for the environment but a Carrera S with like none of this hybrid shit is like you know 200 and something pounds lighter way less complex all this other stuff that's raw material but you don't have to but but you have to do the sport mode thing whereas the other one you don't have to do it because it fills in all the bottom end with the electric motor to cover for the fact that it's just not revving the other motor that has so much power it already has the motor gas it has so much power it just won't rev it for emissions and noise so it has a whole other system to get around having to rev the engine it's got damn uh let's I don't uh do you I don't want to pull that one up but twin cam twin cam homez says uh I just sold my rs5 and Audi a3 tdi and bought an Audi a4 all-road on the quest to get down to two cars with a dedicated sports car so you've got the all-road I've driven a boxster or or came in a gts 4.0 a mirror v6 manual gt350 manual super and a 981 boxster besides a gt4 is there anything else I should try I mean these are all mid-engine cars no they're not the gt350 and the super or not sorry you should try well I mean you should try a corvette I think yeah it's like a c606 or c8 sorry Grandsport um or yeah or a c8 you should try if you're doing a mirror new then yeah then you should do try a c8 oh try to get a u0 6 a u0 6 is try that is in the wheelhouse you should try you should maybe try a viper just for funsies depends on your hype but yeah you should try it it's a thing it is definitely a thing worth experiencing as a car person yeah and you could probably get a Ferrari 360 for the kind of money you're talking about as well so maybe take a look at that uh keel and toe says uh will jaguars transition to full electric work for them or is it the beginning of the end let's wait out and see how gas prices work out that's true um I don't know I mean I I think the the jaguar's not an American company it's a fucking British company owned by Indians like the rest of the world is going electric right with or without America yeah but America is such a huge customer for all car companies that I think without it would be really amazing if they could survive without a strong American base you know I don't know if they can it's a huge chunk of money yeah but on the other hand if jaguar if jaguar is selling to people who don't care about a tax incentive because they can afford the 7500 dollars then maybe doesn't exist anymore right no I'm saying it did it went away so people who need that money and they say well now I'm not going to buy an EV because it's not as cheap but if someone's buying a six-figure jaguar they go yeah what all right fine so seven grand do I want it or do I not want it so we'll see but it's tough yeah EV sedani wagon in an era of hybrid crossovers well I think we've seen kind of the limit of what most people are willing to spend on an EV right now most people are willing to spend you know 120 to 150 hard tops right even like tycon like tycon turbo s's and she like those don't go out the door at full sticker yeah they just don't yeah so I don't know project BRZ AT like where your head's at would it be am I nuts the thing would be a great trip to drive my BRZ from Dallas to wherever the fuck that is I'm gonna Google that on the Arctic Ocean I love long road trips but this would push things well beyond anything else I've done okay so can you make a make a maps route to fucking there from from Dallas from Dallas let's see how far this is to to tuck toyuck tuck to tuck toyuck tuck well that's really far it's super far wow yeah for people listening this is the top of Canada is that like just drivable just east can you drive to that can you drive to that does there a fucking road I mean yeah there is tolls ferries you cross the border and you're in a different time zone okay so is a way go up to the Yukon part of it the northwest terrarium like okay so we know thousand miles we know this is paved you know all the way to you know whatever the northern part of but what is the is there a street view of what this road like looks like is this is this a road it just says Yukon cash review owner if you zoom in enough to see satellite view if it's if it's paved fuck is that dirt is that tarmac that looks like dirt that looks like dirt doesn't it yeah no street view though huh called Dempster highway yeah oh yeah I'm pretty sure that's that's dirt so where does pavement end what's the nearest like town oops I think I messed up no I mean this is this is eagle planes so what's up with eagle planes there's a hotel all right let's get a photo of the eagle planes can we just click on it and let's oh that seems very there's three things in eagle planes there's a restaurant and one hotel right get a photo let's get a photo of it oh yeah looks great 4.1 stars oh boy we need a view of the road can't you can't just spin around huh oh that's tough that's tough wow that looks like a west anderson couch doesn't it all right so we don't know it's we think it's dirt okay I mean dude like people do it right like it's far and it's dirt this is awesome I think this would be absolutely a trip of a lifetime 4 000 miles and you end up at you know the what arctic ocean yeah like don't do it in the winter because you won't make it and you'll die um what is up here dude hunters b and b top rated you should absolutely do this like let's look at this point what does that house look like holy shit look at this fucking thing I mean it actually looks looks lovely looks beautiful give the view wow I mean during the summer we're at top of the world top of the world uh driving I've driven I drove through Canada once and um for Hyundai stunning I mean absolutely memorable drive I mean foliage all of that stuff it's pretty hardcore it's very hardcore in a in a doing it in a brz is that you gotta go back what you gotta turn around and go back once you get there that's a that's a two-way drive right or you gotta somehow ship the car home from there best of luck noise cancelling headphones that car is not that quiet on the road in a brz yeah that's that's but that would be really cool I would do it do you have the time it's awesome absolutely yeah that it there's more oh there are you want oh okay um she she likes choke to get started she likes to get started do your cars have any quirky features for example I find the visors on my 1989 11 sc to be very large I mean my kuntosh has a coke mirror like the vanity mirror comes out yeah so that's four no question it's rad that's 100 what that's for me that's what I've used it for no I don't I don't but I know you don't but that's like that's what people used it for yeah uh talk about meeting a market need the pow has all kinds of fucking quirky features the pow has a suv like tailgate like a hammock in the back it's got all kinds of crazy shit in it my car like in the trunk where the cd changer used to be I just have this weird felt cubby and I kept lifting chalk in it and fad found it it's like still wrapped and it's from like eight years ago and it just looks like I'm transporting bricks of cocaine last one what does the fox body say 2022 mock one or 2020 Camaro s one le am I living with it or am I tracking it I'd probably go mock one if I'm living with it it's mock one yeah that's a fantastic car yeah I'd go I'd go mock one yeah thank you everybody we 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