It’s Like Photoshop, But Free!

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The episodes out now, search for and follow the Long Game, wherever you get your podcasts. The first Galaxy Fold was also pretty rough. Yeah, those bezels were. They were thick. I mean, the main screen on the front was like, it was like a little watch phone inside of your phone. So, you know, this is better than that. What is your hot take up curious now? My hot take on bezels is. Yeah, what is up, people of the internet. Welcome back to another episode of the Wayform podcast. We're your host, Omar Kez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. So, okay, this week, we have a bunch of free software. That's pretty good. A new Teenage Engineering product that Adam's very excited about. Woo! Also, our first real look at the Samsung Trifold. I don't know if that's exactly what it would be called, but it's the Trifold. We're going to call it that. Soldier Boy scamming again. Sorry. And we're going to wrap it up with a game that Andrew's made for us. That'll be fun. But first, I want to come in with a little nothing phone 3a response from nothing and a correction from last week. Oh, I thought you were going to apologize to me again. I got excited. Do I have something to apologize for? I don't know. You could figure it out. All right, you figure out what I figured out by the end of this article. Okay, okay, okay. So, last week, we talked about the 3a light and how it's basically just the CMF phone 2 with a nothing design language. $10 more expensive and a bunch of phone 2a pro. No, just 2 pro. You are. Yeah, Christ. Okay. We're thinking of the 3a light, right, which is the budget sub. Anyway, we can continue. But yeah, so it was 10 dollars more expensive and has a bunch of bloatware and ads. So, first, I want to correct something. Last week, I said the cameras were exactly the same. But I was wrong. The 3a lay ditches the CMF 2 pros 50 megapixel telephoto and adds a two megapixel macro camera instead. You love to see it. You love to see it. So, they're not the same. In fact, I think we can all see that phone is better cameras. That's crazy. Even though it's less expensive. And then since the release, nothing's been basically getting dunked on nonstop. Benchoon had a great article about basically just how Twitter's compiled all the age-old receipts. Yeah, the receipt, like how companies are like, let's make fun of other companies and they always just do that thing later. So, my Twitter's still so good. It is. Everyone has five-year-old tweets. It's just, yeah. All Link Ben's article in it. It compiles a bunch. But one is, I keep forgetting his name. He's one of the co-founders. Ocus. Ocus. He tweeted in 2023, two megapixel third camera sensors are the biggest scam of the 21st century. Which is such a great take. Because I've said before, like, they're pretty useless. But to be in charge of a phone company that might do it in the future and to say it's the biggest scam of the 21st century is really putting yourself out there. I think people need to remember that you can just not tweet things. Yeah. Like, you don't have to say. No, I'm glad he tweets this because you know how he really feels now. Yeah. Well, so he, he since then, replied to the almost three-year-old tweet and said, add two ad context. Oh my gosh. First of all, you have to add context. That's a two-year-old tweet. You've lost all right. He said, this is regarding depth sensors to optimize portrait mode. As the second sensor can serve that purpose, purpose for the three-A light, the options where either remove the third camera or convert it to a macro lens. And then since the community's been doing some fun, great macro photography, we want to do later. This feels so much like when they the quote unquote placeholder images where he's just like, no, no, no, no, we didn't make a mistake. Check out all these sweet pictures. Are people on nothing phones have taken them up? This macro of someone's eye that he posted looks like an AI photo because it's so low resolution because it's too macro. It's like so over sharpened. Yeah. It's one of those things that looks great in the thumbnail preview. And then you blow it up and you're like, oh, it's pretty bad. Yeah. It's not great. But also two megapixels. Like these aren't two megapixel photos. I'm pretty sure you can't take these photos with a two megapixel macro camera. Maybe I'm wrong. It is. Yep, two megapixel. So the three cameras are a 50 megapixel wide, eight megapixel ultra wide, two megapixel macro. Yeah, this photo is 1600 by 901, which fits put in two megapixels. So, wow. Maybe you can take amazing macros with a two megapixel macro camera. To find amazing. Visibly sure enough to get tweeted by the company's marketing guy in a basically apology. Yeah. So other than that, nothing has also been known a lot of times to talk about. Nothing who has takes out the bloatware. Carl Pay has tweeted a bunch of times. Like, no, that's bloatware. And they obviously on the three A light have tick dot Instagram Facebook straight up already preloaded a bunch of meta apps, service apps. And so their response to it was we heard your feet. So on the 30th, they said, these apps come because they offer faster startup, smarter background performance, better power efficiency, seamless camera access. That's the reason for happening. But you still have them pre-installed. What? Okay. But don't worry, you still retain full control. All of those can be uninstalled. I raise you good. I feel like you can jump should be all the beyond installed. Yeah, like all of the, I don't know how many of these things are true because they're pre-installed. If they're doing some special optimizations, I don't know. But if I just install it from the Play Store, all of those advantages will still be there. Yes. They're pretty, they can always be installed if I want them. The definition of bloatware is apps that are installed that I didn't want and are just taking up space. Yes. This is by definition. The only reason that they're saying that this is like not really bloatware is because the bloatware that we're used to from the very early phone and smartphone era was like, I don't know, random stuff. You'll realize it in our 18-year crisis. Candy Crusher, like also like games pre-installed. Verizon Messenger. Verizon Messenger. Yeah, that kind of stuff. We'll talk about that later. There was a word in FL app on my first smartphone, like HEC Thunderbolt, I had like, yeah, people don't use that. But I don't know. They're saying it's not bloatware, but it's like, if you have TikTok pre-installed, I don't want one. They're claiming these are the most widely used apps globally. They are, but it doesn't matter. It takes five seconds to download these. I think our definition of bloatware is you put a bunch of stuff on my phone that I don't want and I don't want to use and it's just taking a space. Now, I have to go and install it. There are, there a bottle to that is, oh, but you do want to use these. These are the popular ones. It's Instagram and TikTok, right? But I don't necessarily think everyone wants to use the Facebook app or all any or all these meta properties. So it's like, it is still bloatware. Not everyone is going to use them, but it is not as offensive bloatware as the ones that we're used to. Yeah, sure. And they're adding it because they get paid to add it. So they get to that as the phone. Which I feel like just say that. People will be blown away. Dude, I'm, yes. Exactly. They should literally go like the only way we were able to make this so cheap by installing this stuff because we assume you want it anyway. You can install it if you want, but that's how we're able to make our products like affordable. But when you like dance around it, people are not stupid. People know how this works. Yep. They also said, so the meta service apps at first couldn't be taken off. They could only be disabled. And he like, he wrote how to disable it as just like settings, app things. But there's like four or five steps to get into it. I didn't know that they could still do that. I remember that being a thing where you couldn't actually uninstall apps. You could only disable them. And it would like turn them off, but it still retained the app data or whatever. Storage. I thought that they got rid of that. But I guess not. Yeah, I mean, there's still system apps you can't just say it can't remove. I was surprised that they could do that for like such obvious third party. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Like I wouldn't, I get one or system 32. A non-removable Facebook app is kind of crakes. Yeah. Unless you have the HAC first, you know. I think you can remove the Facebook app, but it's just like the meta services stuff. Or I might be wrong about that. That's so bad. Yeah. Communities not happy. I think is the safest way to say it. Nice little update because they're pre-installed. They offer faster startup. What does that even mean? I don't understand with that. I mean, I think it means like when you first set up the phone, it is now faster. You can get to Instagram quicker when you first unbox or nothing. Maybe it's back important to the experience. Like on a Pixel, I can't uninstall Gmail. I'd have to like, can't you? You can only disable it. I'd have to disable it. I can like, I can like, I can root my phone and then I don't even try doing it right now. I can do it right now. I can only disable or archive. Interesting. I cannot. It's like Google on Google like, I'm sure nothing also can't. Yeah. You can't take off the nothing apps that are on it, but people don't consider that bloatware because it's the, you know, the phones, the company. Yeah. Right. When you start putting all these third-party things in there, it's a little more annoying. Yeah. Didn't Apple get in trouble for not letting you uninstall like preloaded Apple apps or something? Every year, not maybe not even every year, but it feels like every one or two years with a new iOS update, we get one or two more default apps. I think with iOS 26, there was a preview app that I got added and I think maybe one more app like that, like, by default. And they just snuck them in there and they show up with a software update and people usually just remove them. It's no big deal, but there's a bunch of stuff now that comes on the iPhone and we can just accept it. By the way, the preview app is very frustrating. I made a folder on my iPad of photos, and every time you click it, it opens preview, and then it looks at that in preview. And you can't, you can't just like move over to the next photo in the folder. Like normally on a Mac, like you can just hit the next button and it goes through the folder. But because it opens preview and just opens that singular image in preview, you can't just scroll. So you have to go back to the folder. The folder's app is the other one. Yeah. Yeah. It's so annoying. It doesn't quite work like a Mac, otherwise you would just have a Mac. Yeah, and Apple can't have that. They did update it one more time, saying we're hoping to roll out a way to just take off MetaApp install or AppManager and MetaServices. We're hoping. But it should be out of the month. But Meta already paid us. So. Yeah. Okay. Or hoping to be able to uninstall them. It will still come people. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Do we want to talk about Affinity? This is it. Yeah. Fill me in because I don't use any Affinity products. Yeah. But I've heard people at the studio losing their absolute minds over. And one of them sitting right next to me. Yeah. So please, please tell me why it's such a big deal what Affinity is doing. So yeah. Do you do it? Does anyone use Affinity here at all? I started last month like towards the tail end of this whole thing. Cool. I, sorry. I also want to note that this is important because they are basically the Adobe competitor. For sure. For like their Adobe's whole suite. And ever since Adobe moved over to Creative Cloud a number of years ago and every single thing is a subscription, you no longer were able to just buy Creative Software that you can buy once and use forever. Affinity in like 2016 basically started making a bunch of parallels to all the Adobe apps. So I heard about Affinity Photo. That's like Lightroom. Affinity Photo is like Photoshop. Affinity Designers like Illustrator and Affinity Publisher is like in design. Yeah. Okay. And they're not subscription. No. They were like 70 bucks a piece. I think iPad app was like 20 bucks. But they varied. Yeah. And they had an iPad app which was great. The reason we're bringing this up again is because last week Ellis on Wednesday was like, hey everyone, I don't know if this is going to be the same as on Friday, like when it releases. But right now Affinity is free. And it felt like because they had been bought by Canva in 2024. And on Wednesday there was this feeling of an announcement that was going to come out on the 30th that we know about, which was Thursday. So for us, you know, Wednesday, Thursday then release Friday. So it was like, is this going to be free because tomorrow Canva is going to say we're shutting down Affinity or changing it? Like are you going to get a free version that doesn't get upgraded? You know, we all kind of expect the worst out of stuff like that when we see it. But on the 30th, what they did is they actually announced two things. One is that the three different apps that they had are now combined into this singular piece of software that you can now switch between essentially Photoshop, Illustrator, and Design through a tab switch on the top and get all the different tools without having to go through different programs, including your file moving between all of them. That's awesome. Which is awesome. That's really cool, actually. Mega app. Yeah, I think it's really neat. And that they're completely free. Out of video editor. Well, that's fair, but we can sort of get to that later. But like, so now that all of them are three, at times like we mentioned, they could be up to $70 each. Yeah, Canva just was like, hey, here you go. These are all free. Like just available. Canva's reasoning for this was that Canva itself has like a corporate plan, which is very popular because their competitor is basically Adobe Photoshop Express, which nobody really uses. So that's a subscription, the Canva thing. Canva is a subscription, and their corporate subscription is like much more expensive. And they make out they sell a lot of Canva's subscriptions. I also, I didn't read this anywhere, but this is a theory of mine. Like I think a lot, a lot of what you get out of the Canva subscription is you get access to this library of assets that's made by Canva designers. And I believe with a subscription, you would get access to those assets in. I can jump ahead. Thank you. If the AI tools inside of the new affinity stuff is only available through Canva Premium, which is that's like the main thing you're unlocking is generative fill. Yeah, but for the most part, the main tools that are like Photoshop competitors other than, you know, we're seeing this multitude of new AI tools coming into design programs. Those are the things that are locked behind a subscription, which is so that makes sense. Then so it's like they're making Canva free with a bunch of its basic tools as a vessel. A lot of really powerful to. Sure. They're definitely. Affinity free. Affinity free. Affinity free. Affinity free. Affinity is free as a vessel to hopefully get you to subscribe at some point for some of the more advanced slash AI tools because those are good. Yeah, think about it like this. Like if you are a business and you, you are more likely to buy a Canva pro subscription for your designers if it also comes with all these other design tools so that you don't have to also have an Adobe cloud subscription for all of the, you know, in design and illustrator and Photoshop. So if you if you have Canva, which is sort of a like a rapid prototyping design tool in a way, it's also. It's like everyone's first like everyone who's not a. It's like babies first. Yeah, I wouldn't even describe it as that like I can't remember the last time I got like a wedding invite or like really any document ever that wasn't made in in Canva. Yeah, because they have a lot of like very stylish designs that are. And it's so. Made by actual design. Like it's breezy. Yeah, like like I feel like all other platforms when they use the term drag and drop are like. Ish kind of like and Canva is like literally the most drag and drop. I'm graphic designing thing ever. Yeah, so from a business perspective, it's like they already have an incentive to use Canva, but then if you want your entire team to be using it, a lot of those actual designers on your team are going to need more pro creative tools and usually they'd have to go to Adobe Creative Cloud. So now if they make these free, then it's like it's much more incentive for a business to subscribe to Canva Pro. Yeah, because you also get these creative tools. Makes sense. And if I have the breakdown of what Canva Premium costs and what Adobe costs if we want to look at that real quick. Yes, because even still Canva Premium, $13 a month, or $100, $120 a year if you pay yearly, which I $10 a month. Yeah. Creative Cloud Pro, it's so confusing how this pricing works. And this is non-business. This is just you're an individual buying. So $105 a month, if you pay just monthly, if you pay monthly, but commit to annual, it's $70 a month or $780 a year. This is a little different because Creative Cloud Pro comes with everything. There's a ton of things. There's a ton of it, all the AI stuff and storage. If you're picking individual programs, it generally runs $23 a month with an annual description. So we're talking about half the price for affinity. And that's even half the price of one singular program of Adobe. And that's if you want the Canva Pro features. Because if you just want to use affinity without all of the AI generative stuff, it's all free. It's just free. Yeah. So as you wrote down here, you can basically make any creative project now for completely free. Because you can take your phone, film a video, edit and DaVinci Resolve, which is like a pro video editing app that is also free. Create your own graphics and thumbnails in affinity, and then you spend no money. That's a pretty big deal. It's the best time ever to be to want to try creating with very low risk. Yeah. I've only used affinity on my iPad so far, and I will say it's my favorite iPad design app. I think it's way better than Adobe Illustrator. Procreate is better at the brush simulation stuff. There is a bunch of under the hood stuff and procreate that just picks it butter, which I feel is their whole thing. Yeah. But it's so much easier to work in the vector space and work with text and do things that aren't literally drawing. And I've found that the brushes in affinity design are not that much worse. I want to try it because this is one of those things where I've used Photoshop for so long, begrudgingly and luckily work at a company that pays for my Adobe suite. So that makes it. But this is the kind of stuff where there's no one around me who is like, I just want to edit some photos that I'm ever going to suggest Photoshop for. Yeah. It's just too expensive. So the free version of this without some AI tools is at least you can learn the basics of everything and really see if you want to do this stuff. For the same price of a year of Photoshop, you could buy a pixel and just put all of your photos in the Google Magic Editor and just do it all like that. Like, yeah, I think that there's more mounting pressure on Adobe to either lower their prices or create some sort of freemium software that people can use without having to pay for the whole subscription. I'm still a little confused why affinity did this in the first place because I feel like their subscriber base is typically professionals. Affinity or marketing departments. Affinity or Canva. Ah Canva, you're right. Yeah, sorry. Well, they did it to get more Canva subscribers. But I don't think people that are signing up to use affinity are going to inherently use Canva because no one... I think it's the other way around. You mean people using Canva are just going to now use affinity because... Businesses are more incentivized to have a Canva Pro subscription if it also comes with a bunch of creative software for their more professional users. So like, in order to get all the AI tools and stuff out of which I keep saying AI tools and it's easy to dunk on AI but like more and more design programs are having tools that just help you save time. It's not right. I'm not saying it's like a going to affinity and create an entire thing using just ads. Like subjects select advanced generative film. Like those are super helpful tools. I'll say just like so many people subscribe to Canva. You know what I mean? That's right. So... I think a lot of marketing department subscribe to Canva but regular people just use the free version. Yeah, well no. I think... But that's the whole thing. They're subsidizing affinity for regular people by getting more marketing departments to sign up for Canva Pro. This also might be... I know I personally have so many friends who are not professional designers or not creative professionals and keep us Canva subscription going just because anytime they need to format and like people use it instead of Google Docs. Can I? Yeah. You know what I mean? But like everyone I know that uses Canva has one project that they just edit constantly because they refuse to pay for the subscription. I think quite a lot. I got my payers here. Use the payers. This is totally anecdotal. But teachers use Canva like crazy. Yeah, Canva is the new PowerPoint. It's like everyone uses Canva like... I yeah. When just worked in an ad agency all of their decks were made in Canva. Everything was made in Canva. But that's what I mean. Like those are not people who are making thumbnails for YouTube videos. I think it's a happy accident that now it's free for all of us. But I'm just confused why they did it. That's like what is there incentive. But David's point makes sense, which is that like it's just another tool that their people can use now. Since you're already paying for the Canva subscription, you know. And to try... There's like such an entrenched... There's still so many businesses that use Adobe stuff. Like all of... There's so much After Effects and Photoshop and all of the... Adobe design stuff that people have been using forever. And the only way to get someone out of that is to offer something that gives you substantially more value or seems like it would be a better deal to actually get you to unsubscribe from the Adobe thing. So if you're going to get someone to leave Adobe, you got to make moves and this is one of the moves they just started to try to make. Yeah. I just feel like that's still going to... Like I don't know. I think it's cool. I think it's awesome because we get to play with the new thing that's free. But like Tim is not leaving Photoshop. You're never going to convert people who like... That's what I'm saying. ...to school for design and are doing this forever. And are also releasing tools. Like the real professionals are sticking to their tools. Now you start the new generation of individuals. You're an individual paying for the Adobe suite and you realize you could save a lot of money by using the canvas stuff. Every individual is very unhappy with how much they have to pay for Adobe. Mark has a someone that pays for all of our Adobe subscriptions. Are you tempted at all by this? Yeah, dude. Every time you guys are like, Hey, can we add one more seat for Adobe? I'm like, do you really, really want this? Yes. Because this will cost me $1,500 a month for every single person we add. 1500? It's so much. Not quite, but it's a lot of... It's a lot of money as well. The pro versions way more because it comes with like more... Yeah, we get all the apps tokens or... That's not like I can just... It's so lame. Yeah. Yeah. I would love to be able to just go, I can add one seat for just Photoshop. But of course Adobe doesn't want you to be able to do that. As a business. Yeah. Which I... Yeah. Yes. I'll just... tack on to this as we're talking about like bringing people off of Adobe is like, this is free for now. We always have to just be aware. They've claimed that I think it's going to stay free. But you can never try... It's never free forever. It's said free forever. But also... Nothing said to megapixel cameras are the biggest camera in the 21st centuries. So just remember any of these things can change at any time. Yeah. We won't be surprised when that happens. I mean, that story is... I hope isn't that people often are like, you need to just host everything yourself because everything is like free and great until it's not. And companies will always like bait and switch you eventually. So, you know, use it while you got it. Use it. Yeah. Now's the best time. Better time than ever to try and make that channel or whatever you've been thinking about because you can... Between resolve and affinity. Yeah. You can do pretty much everything that you could do when you first started your YouTube channel, right? Yeah. It's wild. Give me a set to go. The new Affinity app now has like a new file format, I believe. I wonder if that's going to be compatible with anything else. Is that the.af file format? Yeah. I wonder if it's affinity. Is that because... So, it can switch between... I wonder if that's so it can switch between these two. Yeah, but I mean, more so like what you're getting at is like in 10 years if they decide up. Now we're charging and now you have like a backlog of all your professional work. That's a.af. What do you do? Darkness. Gotcha. On Sakura. An interesting thing I found. What is Sakura? It's like the same thing as... Statista. But it's like... That's the Statista. What's the Statista for money? You don't have that. Oh, Polymarket? She's. It's like they accrue data from shareholder. Oh, yeah, yeah. Something research. Whatever. SharePoint research. You know, that thing. But Affinity's growth has outpaced almost all their competitors. Here, it says they outpaced Figma, Miro, and Adobe in your of your growth. And they also do more revenue than Figma and Miro. So I think they literally just are like... Then Figma? Yeah. Wow. So that's crazy. What should I say is like math. Like, Canva, I don't think we... I think we're underestimating how used and paid for Canva is for share. And so I just think it makes sense for Affinity to be like, if we have the casuals cornered in the market, you know, let's get the power users in to... Yeah. And maybe they'll start charging us. Eventually, yes. Just to be accurate, if I add a seat to our Adobe Creative Cloud, Pro Plus for Teams, it's about $1,500 a year. Excel. Excel Ultra. Yeah. 15. Okay. Well, speaking of adding things, a Samsung added another screen to its trifold. And we've talked about this. Another screen to its trifold? Well, it's actually the same amount of screens. It's just they added a fold. That's true. They added a digital fold. They added a fold. We finally got our first look at the Samsung trifold phone. We had previously just seen animations of this. And they had mentioned it would come up before the end of the year. It is currently November 5th. We'll see if that happens. This is the most careful, slow rollout imaginable. Like, first it's an animation. Yeah. And the name. And then it's like a little glyph on their presentation. And now it's behind a glass. So no one can touch it. But it's showing it close and open. So you can't see it close or open because you can see what it looks like close and open. Yeah. And it is indeed a roughly what, 6.7 inch phone closed and a 10 inch tablet open. Yes. So that's exciting. That's the whole point. You get a real tablet size screen, well, it's open. The thing that is slightly less exciting is that those bezels are thick with multiple seas. Yeah. So we have a hotter take about though. Interesting. The first Galaxy Fold was also pretty rough. Yeah. Those bezels were thick. They were thick. I mean, the main screen on the front was like, it was like a little watch phone inside of your phone. So you know, this is better than that. What is your hot take up curious now? My hot take on bezels is YouTube comments and most of us nerds way over the day. So we react to bezel thickness. And I get this coming a lot like I'll have two phones next to each other and I'll compare them and I'll be like, see man, this phone looks like basically just as premium. And so I'll go look at the bezels on the S26 FE disgusting horrible, unacceptable. And they're next to each other and it's literally one millimeter more bezel and they're serious. And they're like, I could never use a phone with that much better. If you, maybe it's because I'm old or something, but if you rewind like seven, eight, nine years, when phones actually have thick bezels, like dude, every phone today, north of $200 has thin bezels. I don't care. Like I'm not looking at the bezel. I'm not looking at the bezel. I'm looking at the motor, like a dinotack. Do you remember the bathtub notch? Do you remember like the actually thick bezels? Yeah. So I see this and I, you know, the, yeah, the bezels are a little thicker, but they're not even that much thicker than real bezels. The first fold had that crazy like outside screen like that. That was genuinely you can complain about how thick the bezels are for sure. But now as I'm using basically all of these phones, all of them have thin enough bezels. Yeah. And I'm reviewing a phone right now that has like, they're bragging about how thin the bezels are. They invented a new technology to fold the OLED even closer to the edges to get 1.15 millimeter bezels instead of 1.5 millimeter bezels, which to them is like a 40% improvement. But to me, I'm like, Amen. Thin bezels all the way around. They're retina bezels. Yeah. So I love thin bezels as much as anyone else, but I am not getting nearly as worked up I think people are overreacting to thick bezels. Yeah. I'm not really worked up about it. What I will say is funny about this is the thick bezels are on the front and the inside, whereas like the inside is crazy new technology to get all of that. And I understand it. The outside still really thick for just the front side of the phone, which I presume is something they've done already. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah. It's just, I think it's also just how square the thing looks that the square. The really black big bezels do the whole thing just makes it look like a, a, a, a, a, a, a toy almost. Yeah. I have a prediction. Oh, yeah. My prediction is that it will come out this year, but only in Korea. That was mine also too. Very likely. Mine was, yeah, announced and come, and comes out this year. And I don't think we see in the US till next year. Yeah. And it will be like limited like a thousand units, something like that. Yeah. For some reason, if you've never heard us talk about the trifold before and you don't know why it's so weird as well, is the way it folds. Yeah. And we got to see kind of a picture of it close from the top. And because it folds where the, so the, this is always hard to can, can they audio? Yeah. So if you are holding your phone, what you're going to do is you're going to take the screen and flip it to the left. And then that part is going to have to flip out one more time. And so you, the way you look at it from above almost looks like, if you took the letters, the number six and like squashed it. So the letter G, yeah, the letter G, it looks like a squashed letter G. Yeah. And what that happens is on the back now, which we haven't seen before is we have a triple camera set up very similar to like the S 20s, like S 25 regular, 25s. Yeah. And when you're looking at it from the back, you have the camera panel and the back on the left, the front screen, then the front screen on the right and then just a blank panel on the side of that because that is the screen that is either living on the inside of it. Yeah. So the screen is in the center, you mean? Yes. Yes, the center of the back. It's open. Yeah. Which is awesome because the Huawei trifold every time you open it, you think you're going to break it. Yeah. So I actually think this is, this is pretty ideal. Yes. Ideal trifold setup. Yeah. I can't wait, dude. Oh my god. What I want to know is, can't wait. If we're going to, let's assume this is the same thickness as the fold seven, which is 4.2 millimeters. I think it's thicker. Each. I also think it's going to be thicker, but even still just thinking of it as the, the really thin new 4.2 thinness of like the open fold seven. Yeah. Now we add that together and we're at 12.6 millimeters thick. We're at closed, which is funny because that actually would fall between the fold five and the fold six. Wow. In terms of thickness, which is kind of impressive. I thought it would have the crazy original fold was 17 millimeters thick one. Oh my gosh. Again. That phone has some thick, thick bezels, thick dimensions, and that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. So it's still really that's still a chunk. That would be yeah. Yeah. I am curious about it because I want to hold it to own and like use it while it's closed. And I, I think with a 10 inch inside screen, you kind of have to go a little thicker to have more battery because Samsung's not doing silicon carbon. So how much battery do you get to fit in this phone? I don't know. Unless they move just to look in carbon with that phone. Maybe with this little volume they could. I don't know. They haven't done it in any of their phones yet. So I kind of don't expect it battery and all three of the folds. Yes. Definitely. So you have more room for more battery, which is great. And you only need the compute and theoretically one of the three parts. So maybe it's just all battery in the rest. Especially because normally you have to add it into. So when it's a folding phone and has two batteries, one of them has a screen on the front and back. And the other screen and cameras on the back. So one can be all there. There's a whole panel that's only screen on the front now. So I wonder if that gives them more room to show battery. Should battery. That would be nice. Yeah. That would be nice. I have a question for you guys. We probably don't have an answer. Yeah. It's more of a speculation. More of a speculation. How many more times do you think they're going to tease this before it launches? Multiple. Okay. So they're going to keep going. They're going to keep going on this path. So right, it was just a glyph that was the animation. First, it was an animation that was in like the system files within the Galaxy Fold 6. No, it first was when they said the, because I remember a very funny story about this, is the beginning of the year when they announced XR at the Galaxy unpacked event, they had this timeline. Yes. And in the timeline, there was just a trifle that no one mentioned. And we were, that's what, that's what you're talking about the glyph. Yeah. Yeah. Or the people we talked about because we did the Wuhan. The Android, I'm sorry, people. And I was just like, so what do you guys think of, like, do you think that timeline is going to be accurate that you guys posted? And like one of them was just thinking of only about the headset, like, and the one other guy was like, hold on, we don't know about that. And I like very clearly saw me trying to prod at the trifle. Oh, yeah. Nobody said anything about it. So yeah, that's when we first saw it. Then yeah, it was like a new Android animation. Yeah, it was like an animation that was like in the system files of Android that someone had uncovered that showed the way that it unfolded. And how to not fold it the wrong way. Yeah. So if I continue to extrapolate and, you know, Samsung's now showing us the phone behind glass when they'll can touch it, I think then they're going to have a small number of people go in and be able to point cameras at it and probably just take pictures of it. And then someone will be able to unfold it on video. And then someone will be able to maybe make a whole review of it. They're going to tease us out as deliberately and slowly. And it's as possible because they've seen what happens when they maybe aren't so careful with their folding device. They're going to give us that IV drip, you know. Yeah. I was going to say remember the Surface Duo embargo. I was literally going to say that. We'll also just ask about the almost mentioned that. What if we create a new rule? You get one embargo per screen on your device. So I would be okay if this has three embargoes. So then Nintendo DS would have had two. Yeah. I'm also just joking. It should always be one of our go maybe an impressions and a release for reference. The Surface Duo embargo system situation. There was three embargoes. There was one that was just you could talk about the thing at the event. There was one where you could review the hardware but not show the screen on which is insane. And then there was like the full embargo which came out on the day that people got their phones, which was like review the rest of the phone. The red flags were very. That was such a the clearest red flag of all time because in the meantime we're testing it behind the scenes and we're like, oh, the software is already dead. Work. But when you turn the screen off, it's like stunningly thin and really, really beautiful. And then the embargo says, you're all just show off the stunningly thin and beautiful part. But you can't show the software until people are already pre-ordering the thing. That was I think it was the day that they got their devices like the day that the prayers came in was the day that the actual review embargo lifted. Okay. Yeah. Even worse. So that's a huge red flag. By the way, like there are lots of phones where I skipped the first embargo because the first embargo is you're allowed to acknowledge its existence. And then the second embargo is you're allowed to publish photos taken on its camera. And then the third embargo is you're allowed to unbox it. And then the fourth embargo is you're allowed to review it. And I just skipped all of the first three. Why would I participate in the free press and just wait until I review it? Yeah. So yeah, it happens to this day. It's kind of rampant. I think that's going to happen with this phone when people get in their hands to review. We're going to I'm going to try to get one anyway. I'm going to try to like source one through retail or D brand and whatever we can just to review the thing because it seems sick. But yeah, I guarantee they're going to slow drip this thing. Yeah. I don't mind multiple embargoes as long as the last one is before people can spend their money. All harder to get a rule. Yeah. That's a good rule. Speaking of spending money, me if I were to bet money on trivia. But we can't do that according to the FCC. We shouldn't do that. I'm just joking. We probably could. But one night gambling is melting. By the way, speaking of gambling, I was a party that the other night and they had poker tables. And I walked in like a big baller and I played one hand and I won one hand and then I pieced the **** up. And it was great. I was like, I'm statistically improbably up. Casinos hate him. Yeah. And I made Casinos hate this one rule and $37. I got three aces. Oh, that's a crease. Wait, you sat down for one hand and hold them and got triple aces. You can't wait. And then pieced. Yeah, hold them. I'm going to get that luck again. If you have two aces and then there's one in the river. Yeah. That's what I got, I think. Did you have like a good poker face the whole time? Like you sat down for your search hand holding two aces. And you got an ace on the turn and just. How did you not take everyone's money? Well, somebody, there was a guy that tried to, he was like 15 because the minimum bet was five and he was like 15 and I was like, okay. It's going all in because it was a hundred dollar by end, but that is hilarious. Well, I'm glad it worked out. I guess. Yeah, whatever. I mean, I have pieces. Yeah. Well, you know, it's not worth 15 unless you give me 15 points on today's trivia question. Yeah. I'll think about it. No temperature polycrystalline oxide or LTPO was developed by Apple when they were trying to get a more efficient OLED screen together. 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It's time to turn those what ifs into with Shopify today. You can sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at Shopify.com slash waveform. So go to Shopify.com slash waveform. That's Shopify.com slash waveform. Welcome back. This is now the Adam cast because for the next 48 minutes, I'm just going to yell at you about the new Teenage Engineering product and you're going to sit there and be happy. Now a sponsor. Now a sponsor. No, basically Teenage Engineering for Nice released a new Sampler product called the Rhythm and Ting getting major inspiration from Jamaican Rage and business. Yeah, yeah, it's on purpose. They collabed with a bunch of artists to get custom sounds and samples in there from Jamaica and everything like that. Also some of the proceeds go to Hurricane Relief, I believe, which is cool. Nice. You guys had questions you said? What is it? What is it? What is it? What is it? And why do I want it despite not knowing what it is? Everything they make looks like a fun toy. It's a fun cool thing. If you remember, I think last year or was it last year early this year, I forget. We interviewed on this very podcast, someone from Teenage Engineering, one of the co-founders, to talk about their release of the EP 133, which was a sample little box thing. So this is also based on that platform. This is the, wait, check, note, check, note, the EP 40. So the EP is just the platform that they have, which is this like box situation with a bunch of buttons and they all kind of look the same. They developed it specifically so they can make a bunch of different versions of these things with different sounds and looks and features and all that stuff. So the first one was the EP 133 that we spoke about during that interview a year ago. The second one was the medieval one, which was like when it launched, I think everyone here in the studio was a little confused. We were like, is this a joke or not? It was. It kind of was. It's like, it's a sampler box, but with medieval sounds in it, like harpsichord. I love it. Yeah, I own a harpsichord by the way. Nice. Big organ guy. When are you going to bring it in? They had organ in there too, I believe. Yeah. I can bring it in whatever you want. What? I've been to your apartment. Where's your harpsichord? It's in the harpsichord. It is a room. Yeah, it's in my mom's house. Oh, okay. I was like, it took me a second to register because that's not like a small instrument. Fun fact. In high school, I played harpsichord and I played octarina and I also played didgeridoo. Why can't you play a normal instrument? That is unreal. I'm imagining like those like a street performers that have a bunch connected together and having those three somehow. Dude, you had a crush with that. What's this one? A quartian accordion. We had an accordion. We had an accordion too normally. You need like, hormonium. Like that. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I would have been the greatest one man band of all time. It was a special type of hippie in high school. I'll tell you that. I'm sorry. You didn't deserve that. I really, really sorry. Anyway, continue. I think it's cool, David. Thanks, Adam. Oh. Continue. Yeah. So this EP40 is their latest installment of the platform basically, which it has a bunch of like rhythm sounds and bass sounds. It has a new synth engine that they're calling Supertone. And I believe you got like seven different synths in it, which is cool. That is something that the other versions did not have. So that is like purely new. But the coolest thing, the thing that you guys mentioned probably before we started recording. It is the little like walkie talkie device. The coolest thing. The coolest thing. Nice. What is the like, trucker radio call, Delis? Like the always on like, ham? Yeah. Like, this looks like the thing like if you're a truck and you're like breaker breaker or like a cop and yeah, it's like connected to the side. Yeah, but if like, Fisher Price made it. Yeah. Like really sick Fisher Price. Yeah. Because it's like multiple P.B.T. pressure pressure price. So basically all that thing is a microphone. That's it. Yes. But it has certain features. So for example, the, I think if you guys listen to, I think the most recent trivia extra have against that. Ellis had a section where he transformed his voice into a bunch of different things. That is something that this does. It has chipmunk sound. It has robot sound. It has just be being like a regular microphone. So you could like, talk into it kind of like a walkie talkie. And there's a fourth option, which is like a low five version. So it makes it sound like it's coming out of like a old radio kind of thing. It's pretty cool. And then the microphone also has two buttons that let you play for samples, I believe. Like preloaded samples. So the whole thing basically, it's not too much different than their last two products, which is, it's basically just a sampling machine. So you can like a theme with a theme. Yeah. So they're all kind of the same. Like if you have an older sampling machine, you can pretty much just load up all of these samples onto it for the most part, minus the new synth. And they also have new loops that you can do on here. But for the most part, it's like, you can just get these sounds. Anything. It's just the cool aesthetic of it. They all kind of match the vibe for every individual. The orange green is so good on like the cream color. It's, it is. I like they're running with these new themes because even though they really set the bar for the style that they had with their old stuff, they had been doing that specific style for such a long time that it became a little bit like other people were copying them and it started to be kind of an old aesthetic. And now that they're getting into the medieval stuff and the reggae style stuff, like I think that it's cool that they're just like reaching out like that. They're keeping their like identity in it with like the bits of orange, but then they, when like normal teenage engineering is very like robotic, they're bringing in all these fun new fonts. Cellars and colors. And yeah, like pictures on it while still keeping that like creamy with hints of orange and then adding another hint of some color. Yeah, it's just a really wishy dish artistically talented. Agreed. I mean, me too. Yeah, Sam. Like, what is, what does this thing do that the old EP 133 does? Doesn't do it. What does the EP 133 do that this doesn't do? The old EP 133, I believe does nothing different than this one. This new one has two new features that is the super tone synth engine and live looping. I believe are looping something with looping. It's like a new looping mode that they have. So you can like play along with preloaded loops and stuff. So they just like kind of built on top of what the EP 133 already did. And the original EP 133 also had like 64 megabytes of memory. This one has 128. So it has double that baby. A whole 128 megabytes. Taking every ounce of restriction in my body to not buy the $630 Bluetooth speaker. Oh, that looks, it looks like the top of it. Look at this. Kind of looks like a battery, like a car battery. Yeah. Don't you want a car battery? The Canadian engineering is like one of those companies where everything they release has like huge fanfare and everyone loves them and then a whole other side of the internet that everyone hates it. Yeah. Like why is this thing so expensive? Because it's, I could do all of this. Because it's for my function. Yeah, it's just like a fun thing and they charge for that. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, they have a $900 version with a sticker on it. Sick. There's a little John Lennon. They have a desk that's like two G's. Yeah. There's something like it's crazy. Yeah. No, this is not. They also had a free computer case. So they just mess around. Yeah, they just mess around and do things. The loop thing, it says a live loop performance mode. So it seems like you can loop live if you have a solubating. Put it in the speaker or something. Adam, did you already buy the pack that comes with the rhythm, ting and the bag? The bag is the pack. I did not get the bag, but I didn't get the bag. Because I already have a teenager during bag that John will come. You're the bag guy. I have too many bags, bro. I'm trying to like cut back. Bag guy by Billy Island. I got the version that did not have the bag. Did you get the socks? No, no. That's a $20. $30. That ain't bad. It comes with two pairs. Oh no, it doesn't. Two packs. Oh no, two packs. No, that is two packs. Is that two socks or two packs? No, no, no. Two pack. I think it comes with two socks. No, no, no, no, no. Two packs. I should get socks. No, no, no, no. It comes with, are you sure? Yes, I'm sure. It's one green and one's white. Well, yes, that's two socks. No, no. One pair is green, one pair is white. Are you sure? Yeah, rhythm, ting, rhythm, ting. Okay. You guys really think a two pack of socks is only two socks? I, you can never tell with teeny-gengeniering. You can never tell. Yeah, it's hard. Like you call it a pair of pants, you know what I mean? But it's one pant. It's pants. You get two pants legs, but they're connected. But you still call it a pair. Yeah, I guess. I don't want to do the sock argument anymore. I don't think I do. I kind of want to stay in the sock argument. Two packs socks, hang green and white pair. That still isn't clear. A green and white pair. That's not a green pair. A blue and white pair. That's not a green and white pair. A green and white pair. You can count four socks because they have the names on. They have the, because each sock has, you have to scroll. You have to scroll. Yeah, it's two pairs. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. It's not clear until you scroll through the pictures that you're getting. It's still not clear. Because one picture of a green and a white sock could just be something quirky that they're doing. And then it says, I agree with that. I did originally a green and white pair, which could be a pair that is green and white. It should say a green pair and a white pair if they want to be. That's what they should say. If they want to be clear. Anyway, well, anyway. This is pretty much if you are at all paying attention to what Teenage Engineering has been doing with this platform. If you were a fan of the other ones, you would probably be a fan of this one. If it's not for you, then you're not going to like this one either. Do you already own the other one? Yeah, I own both of these. And now I ordered this one, so I own all three. I want it. This is like the first Teenage Engineering product I wanted. You can play with it. I'll bring it in. And yet you sold your OP one. I did. I sold the OP one many moons ago and said, is it? Okay. Well, speaking of green things, Fairphone launched the Green Fairphone 6. Nice. Wow. I know. Pretty green. Evergreen. And we talked about it quite a lot. But Fairphone has traditionally only been a European brand. And that's kind of been a mother. I did get one of my close friends on a Fairphone very recently. I was very proud of her because she came from an iPhone. And an iPhone to a Fairphone? Yeah, I know. It was crazy. That's an amazing accomplishment. Well, why didn't you do to sell this to her? No, so it was made so actually what happened was that we, I just had a briefing with Fairphone about the Fairphone 6 being sent to us. And then she text me randomly and she sent me a link to the Fairphone 5. And she was like, if I get this, then I can like offload. I don't have to deal with Apple anymore. And I was like, oh, well, I'm getting a six. Anyway, it's incredible. And I have never heard anyone utter that sense of it. She's complained about it a lot for sure. But I keep saying I won't be upset if you move back to your iPhone. She's like, no, I'm committed. She's committed. But the fun thing about it is that she broke one of the cameras. And I was like, I'm going to get you a new camera. And she's like, no, no, it's fine. And I said, this is more for me than for you. Because the point of this phone is that you can order individual parts. And I just use case to be real. Yes. So I was able to order an individual camera module that I can replace. How much was the camera module? I don't know. Do you remember? No, I don't remember. But anyway, the news is that they are finally moving out of Europe. They are finally coming to the United States. So three Amazon at launch, they're going to be launching the Fairbud's Excel, which we talked about last year a little bit. But they have a new version coming out that apparently improves on everything. So that's nice. Everything? Yeah, we had the briefing. He was like, it's better drivers. It's a better headband. It's more replaceable. And they're not changing the name at all, which is interesting. They're just sort of improving everything and making them nicer. Sure. So those are coming out very soon on Amazon. And then also in the future, they will be launching the Fairphone 6 in the United States as well. They are an advanced talks with a lot of US carriers to actually get it registered on carriers. So you will officially be able to put a SIM card in it and maybe do E-SIM. So I think that apparently the company grew 61% year over year this year, which means that people are really starting to be excited about their whole low mining movement and stuff like that, very repairability movement, at least in Europe. And I think that there is a similar kind of movement in the United States, although we are mostly dominated by iOS. So we'll see how that happens in the US. But either way, it's like exciting that you can finally officially buy this and not have to import it and then kind of have it work on your carrier. So I mean, a lot of our listeners are based in the US and they hear us talk about Fairphone. So now they might actually be able to. Yeah. So that's pretty with Dale. I'm really curious to see how it does because Europe is a lot of Android phones. So it's like a bigger pool for them to kind of dominate. That is not the case here. Although it is growing, I guess. There is a growing environmentally conscious swath of people in the United States. I mean, Ellis is very environmentally conscious, but good luck getting him off of iOS. Well, exactly. His way of contributing to environmental protectionism is just never upgrading from his iPhone 12 man, which he's doing his part. Anyway. So that was some quick news. So we have a new Moto Edge 70 coming out, which is really dang thin, only slightly thicker than the iPhone Air, but it has a 4,800 million-bar battery, which is wild. That's crazy. The S25 Ultra has a 5,000 million-bar battery. Imagine Mark has like, in a cave painting 48 million-bar. So it can carve. Yeah. So I love using the Silicone Carp. This is how you enable this form factor to actually be usable because this is what I was saying with the S25 Edge and the iPhone Air, which is like, okay, they're super thin, and they have obviously worse batteries because physics. But Silicone Carbain allowing you to get greater energy density in these smaller batteries. This is the thing that would make it usable and at least be less concerning to me that you could use the phone all day. And here comes Motorola of all people, Moto Edge 70. They go ultra thin. It is Silicone Carbain, yes, and it is 4,800 million-bar. So it probably has a bigger battery than the phone you're using now. The S25 Plus battery today is 4,900 million-bar. So it's almost the same. So it's basically the same battery as a regular phone. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I am still on team instead of making it thinner with the same battery life, just make it the same thickness with way better battery life. Those phones are coming. Don't worry. Yeah, don't worry. That's true. I'm excited. But if you want the ultra thinness, that too can be. Yeah. And if everyone wants to eventually make foldables, it makes sense to make things that are ultra thin now so that they can just adapt it to a foldable in the future. When I was writing this, I kept getting confused because it's called the Edge, which two Motorola's credit, they've had the Edge name for a while. It's been their flagship for a while too. Yeah, and so this makes perfect sense, but I kept writing Samsung Edge, or I kept writing Edge, but then I had to, because I was comparing it to the Samsung, which if you want exact thicknesses, this is 5.99 millimeters thick. Yeah. iPhone Air is 5.6 millimeters, and the Samsung Edge is 5.8 millimeters. Also battery-wise, 4,800 million-bar is on the Motorola Edge, 3149 in the Air, 3,900 in the Samsung Edge. Wow. So it is doing great versus all of those, despite being barely, barely thicker. I think it's like less than a millimeter. Less than a third of a millimeter, or like a third of a millimeter. But so we haven't gotten one. There's some reviews up on it. There's two things I found interesting for $920, which is a lot. This phone is apparently just cooked with blow wear and ads. It includes things like Candy Crush, Monopoly, Pinterest, Copilot, all pre-installed. Nothing's looking pretty good right now. Including that's why I said them, like real talk about blow wear. Including a ton of Motorola apps, apparently. Wow. And then they also have ads in two different forms from what I've seen, which is one is a folder in the app drawer that dynamically recommends apps that you might want, that you don't have installed. That you don't have installed. I at least favorite them. Also a live-lock screen. And according to the verge, sometimes it shows links to articles, but about every fourth lock screen change is just a full-screen team who had no idea. So that is crazy for like $100. It's $920 and you get the the the the the top of the list nightmare phone. This is your still. I think right now, like, is that the thing about Motorola? They've had a bunch of phones come out over the past couple years that are like they they they're a blip on the radar and we see them and we go, huh. And then we just kind of move on like they've been like strong in the budget space for a while. And then every six to eight months they come out with a flagship and we go, it's not really hitting like they they didn't okay job here and it will kind of pass. But like this is another version of and this isn't even a flagship chip like chip in this phone or a flagship camera in the phone. This is just a very thin phone. It's also not a US device. It's a Snapdragon 7 Gen 4 900 something dollars to just I mean, Silicon carbon is great, but it's another other Silicon carbon. It's another like weird kind of miss from Motorola in the flagship space, but they are doing things they had to pay for the pantone color. That was the other interesting thing I saw. I was like, is that a pants on swatch on the bottom of the goodness? I don't think it's even a glass back. So I'm assuming the back is going to change colors very quickly. Well said it. This is a pantone swatch. There for some reason obsessed with this even I think like four or five years ago. Yes, there are. They were like this. They have this. We have a we have a phone in like black, white, gray and the pantone color of the year. Bright pink and it was like a whole big deal that they could use the pantone color of the year. And they've just been doing it ever since as if anyone cares about the pantone color of the year. Yeah. But this one has the swatch picture on the back. That's the phone. That's the meaning. I'm the more into it. That goes kind of hard. It's kind of going to say that is really cool. They got to explain to someone on a good swatch on the back of your phone and you've got to be like, oh, this is the pantone color. And someone goes, well, what's that? And you have to go, oh, this would be so funny if it had the same manufacturing flaws the 17 orange did where the whole phone starts shifting color. But the pants on just stays exactly the same. And you just can now see the difference. It would also be funny if Motorola stops paying pantone and then it just turned black. It didn't in Photoshop. You just lose access to the color. That would be crazy. That would be crazy. Yeah. See, they did this last year. This is the pantone color of the year. Mocha, moose. And the year before was fiesta. It's just brown. Yes, it's just brown. To be clear. But it's a certain hex value of brown. Yeah, it's a special brown that you have to pay way too much for. That will eventually start wiping you up and appreciate it and no one else can appreciate it like you. I miss old Motorola. I know they're still dominating it. I know that's cliche, but like they're still dominating it. It's cliche to say I miss the old insert, whatever here, but old Motorola cooked for a while. They had the droid obviously back in those days, but then they had like the droid X and they had that sort of hard hitting to droid. Yeah. And they had some bad phones too, like they usually do, but they had some good phones back in the day. It's a good stuff. Well, that's the thing. They always had like bunch of options. So you can get a budget good Motorola. You can get a really cheap crappy Motorola phone or like a top tier premium good Motorola phone. And then it just kind of like they just shifted towards budget. Yeah. Now that's all one phone, baby. You get the top tier flagship and the disgusting budget experience all in one packet. Candy Crush, baby. Speak real quick, speaking of like Google stuff that like that because we work this is kind of because it's Android. And we were talking about the Fairfone. I just want to make it one more observation about my friend who's been using the Fairfone. She was like, she was like, oh, and also like when I swipe to the left, it has like these Google article recommendations and they're like amazing. And I was like, what? Yeah, I was like, I was like, ever think I ever. I brother and law uses them too. Oh, everything ever service me is just like shovelware like horrible. Mine are pretty good. Mine is awesome. What do you get on the other side? Mine is awesome. Mine is awesome. I get on the other side. No, no, no, no. I stopped using the OnePlus phone because I couldn't turn that off. That is really upset. My brother and law uses no social media. So that's just where he gets news from pretty much. And so like that's the same with her. He always sends me stuff and he's like, I just saw it on the whatever. She's like in school right now and she's been taking like these classes about monkeys. And apparently just serving her a bunch of like different random chimpanzee articles and she finds it interesting. That's cool for you. That's cool for you. Google knows a little bit about her. I told her I was like, there is one Google engineer who is like, oh my god, that's working. That's a work. Gageman on this one, no, it is through the roof. Yeah, they just got to raise. That's how I got. I've got one more thing to talk about and I'll try and make it really fast even though it looks like a road of million things on it. Soldier boy. But it is new soldier boy copyright infringement just dropped. Tell him it. Tell him. Tell him. You know, sometimes we just missed the old days in like 2017. You miss the old soldier boy? I miss the old tech days of like DXO Mark and screen to body ratios. And you know, sometimes you get something that reminds me of those days, which is soldier boy ripping off a fake gaming console and selling it for way too much money on his website. He did it again. He did it again. Nice. And I just have to say, holy crap. My favorite part about this is it's available at soldierboy.net, which is the greatest domain name that's ever existed. But essentially this is, it's called the soldier boy flip for $436 as a 5.5 inch 1080p simulid screen. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. watch on a live stream. Then you scroll down and there is a tour and shop button. You scroll down again, there's a device, the flip. You scroll down one more time and there are smart glasses. And you scroll down one more time and there is just a soldier boy telling music video embedded for me. What? Why would you buy soldier boy smart glasses? Wait, there's, he has a forum post? Where? Forum comments? Oh no. But there's- I love this website. You can't click on this. 404's? It says there's nothing here. There is one picture that is not directly ripped from the Retroid website. And that is a box that says soldier game, www.soldreboy.net, as a sticker on a box. But if you look to the side, you can see the front of the box is the Retroid logo. So it's literally being shipped in the same box, which is a sticker on the side. Sometimes it's a soldier game. How does this happen? So sometimes I see this stuff and I'll see what looks like an obviously not very text savvy celebrity who like, actually they got duped, where like someone came to them and they were like, I have an idea. We can sell these, this gadget with your name on it and your fans will love it. And then it's actually the celebrity that got duped. And this happened arguably with like, some other people with like crypto stuff and now with this soldier boy thing. Like I don't, I don't understand how this, this guy, soothes online and knows this. This time I can't answer that for you because I agree, this kind of feels like a drop shipper paying a celebrity to help them drop ship. It's really hard to do this when you've done this all ready and got in trouble for it. And then you lose the benefit of that. It's really so bad to sell a white label product. But this isn't even, this is like, not even Ali Express drop ship white label. This is like US company with a patent he's buying and also without putting a sticker on it. And that company has said we have the patents for this. No one got mad at Ashton Martin when they did it. I don't know that reference. At look Google Ashton Martin's signate, CYGNET. I'm sure people got mad. It's literally, it's literally, it's a toyota IQ that they just put at Ashton Martin badge on and sold it as an Ashton Martin. Did they buy it from Toyota? No, you could get a, it's a Toyota IQ at the same time. They just, it was when the EU changed their fuel economy laws so that you had to have an average MPG across your whole line. Is that one Volkswagen got in trouble? Because they were lying. No, this is separate. This is like, they needed to sell a really efficient car and all of Ashton Martin's cars at the time were like these big V10 cars. And anyway, so yeah, they just, but no one was like, oh, they're scamming people. You know what I mean? So why come after soldier? Tell me, tell me. If you buy the RetroD pocket flip two from RetroD it's $200. That's $200. It's literally half the price. But maybe you want the soldier brand. But the soldier brand is just not a sticker on the box. It's a sticker on the box. It's not even on the device. Nothing on the device says soldier brand on it. It's literally, it comes in the box that he bought it from RetroD and then he put a sticker on the side. I think, I think we live in a world where everything is just a white labeled something. So yeah, I'm whatever. I'm even white. I told my cousin to buy a pair of Tozo earbuds this morning. I don't know what that is. You must wear two D. The fact that the company who makes it is angry should probably sell it. Oh yeah, they're mad. They said they just not have permission to rebrand our RetroD. They sell them. Yes. RetroD has responded about this. So this is not an official collaboration. Oh yeah, I just assumed that he bought a bunch. No, okay. I was wondering where all that's defending was going. RetroD said he does not have permission to do this. That's cool. All right, I take it off. And I'm sure the last game he sold had to get taken down as well for the same thing. You know, you can just like legally do this. Damn, leave this all in out of it. I need to. Wow. Okay. That's enough of that. But it was way too funny and reminded me of the last time he did this. It's not your boy tell him. You know what I'm never wrong about. But I'm pleased to open this with a correction from last. It kind of is a correction from many years ago though. Many years ago, I gave you guys a trivia question. And I'm bringing it back. It's the same exact question because at that time, I got the answer wrong. And I think I corrected it, but I just want to see if you guys remember. So what was Teenage Engineering's first product? The exact name or just like what was it? What was it? Okay. Because last time I said this, I gave the wrong answer. Someone from Teenage Engineering actually reached out told me what it was. I then told you guys the following. I sort of vaguely remember. And then I went and we guys had to tell everyone that's happening. I don't know what it was. Same. But it was one of those like, you wouldn't know this unless you followed it back then type of lore. Yeah, but those people who followed. But obviously if you work for the company, you're well aware of that. I will say that the proof that this person gave me was a Tumblr page. So that's how long ago it was. Yeah. I think he was also like super chill about it. Oh yeah. He was just like, Hey, just the heads up. That wasn't our first product. Interesting. Well, once again, we will even know the answer or we will relearn something. So stay tuned for that at the end. We'll be right back. All right. Welcome back. We are changing things up a little bit for video listener or video watchers. You might have noticed Andrew is now in the producers chair and Ellison Adam are at the table and also David sitting next to Marquez because I have a little trivia game for you all. The closer we get to Thanksgiving, the less news stories we get. So I decided to create somewhat of a game. Close my laptop. Yeah, we're good. Okay, I close my laptop. Yep. No laptops are no laptop. Yeah, buddy. So what I did was I stole a category from Jeopardy. So if you're a Jeopardy watcher, you may recognize this. It's called before and after. Chef, are you sure? Do you know how that works? Yes. You do. I do not. So you can tell me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe I already know. If you are unaware of how this works, this category is a word puzzle where each question contains two clues that are connected by a shared word. Oh, man. I pulled a couple examples from Jeopardy. I didn't do tech examples here because it took me a really long time to think of these. Okay. So I'm going to tell you to jet to Jeopardy examples as an idea of how this works. So old cat and mouse team who throws chairs at each other during a daytime talk show, the answer would be Tom and Jerry Springer. Did that again, David? Oh, no. No. So, so ready, you're going to get two clues and the answer for it is two words connected by a shared word. And the way you tell me that answer is not by saying the shared word twice. So I'll give you another example. Paul McCartney's Bond theme plays as Bruce Willis fights off bad guys at knockout. Living like die hard. Correct. Oh, man. Great job. You guys are cooked. No. Okay. Pop culture references. You're right. No, no, no, it's not this. I made all the questions tech. Those were just to go. Oh, okay, good. Cool. Cool. Cool. So, like I said, our teams, yeah, it's you and me. It's Markezen David versus Ellison, I have faith in him. I'm going to one, I'm not as creative as Jeopardy. Oh, no. So they make the sentences and phrases very minor, just like blank and blank, and you create the word. And I have two clarifying rules that I'm sure will be asked. Nothing in one of one. So one of them is both of these kind of are rules because of how annoying tech companies are naming things. We all know that. My first is as long as the pronunciation is the same, I'm count, it can be the linked word, example, lift and lift. So like lift the company with a Y and lift, I will count those as the same connected word. My other one is a lot of companies like to put two words together as one, I will allow those individual words inside of a singular name to be the word. So if I use the example, a web and native whiteboard app and what Jeff Bezos is the chairman of that Amazon, the answer would be Google Jamboard of Directors. Holy smokes. This is insane. Alright. Alright. So I've made- I'm not worried like this. That was how you're back. Wow. Because you're going to be carrying us, my guy. I really hope I did a good job because I feel like there's a lot of potential here. That's just- I'm so bad at this in actual jeopardy. It's like- Okay. The last couple of rules, I'm going to say 60 seconds to give me a final answer. Okay. I'm really writing it down. No, you guys are going to say- So the way I want it is I want you to discuss with each other since you're on a team. I'm going to do turns though, where- So what do you- Each question? Get it right now. To make it fair, each question's worth two points. I'm going to go and turn. If you don't get it, it can get passed to the next team, but they'll only get one point if they get it right. Because they got to hear all of your deliberate- Oh, I see. Oh yeah. So I want you to discuss it during these 60 seconds because this is still a podcast. So that has to be interesting. How do we discuss it with other team here? No, you can here, but when they steal it, they'll only get half credit for the point. So that's my way of trying to comment that. That makes sense. Because I don't want you guys to be like, shh, don't let them. I want it to be a podcast still. Okay. Okay. I have an even amount of questions and I have a tiebreaker question just in case. Okay. What's our team name? I was going to go with Mark David, but Mark is- I'm in. Hey, Rob. Can we do team meet? Team meet? Because it's just team backwards. So team meet. Yeah. And it also stands for Malena Ellis Adam team. The Malena Ellis Adam team. There is. We're going to meet that. Yeah. Team. Team farmers meet farmers only. All right. I have one more clarification because some of these were so hard to do. Every question has at least one tech thing. There's a couple pop culture references in there. They're all fairly easy and I tried to make them tech related. Okay. It's a pretty car. Okay. Okay. Who would like to go first? I like you to decide. It doesn't matter who goes first points wise because even questions. I feel like they can go first, right? Yeah. Okay. We'll go first. Yeah. We'll go clockwise. Again, I'm just going to reiterate the rules. Don't say the link to word twice. Say it as one phrase. Right. And then you have 60 seconds. Okay. I'll tell you when you're almost done. I'm ready. Okay. So question number one. An announced but never released home device and a Christmas movie from 1990 whose plot would never work in today's technology. Bixby Homo Long. Yeah. Bixby Homo Long. But it's Galaxy Home, right? Galaxy Home Alone. Samsung Galaxy Home is the name of the product. Yeah. Okay. And it's home alone. Wait, what was the movie again? Say it again. A Christmas movie from 1990 whose plot would never work with today's technology. Yeah. Home Alone. So I think it's so. Samsung Galaxy Home Alone. Yeah. All right. Samsung Galaxy Home Alone. Final answer. Yeah. Let's go. Not home alone too. Because that's a nice New York. Lost in New York. Can I get it? That was good. That was good. I think it's a good movie because I usually don't know the movie. Yeah. Yeah. I tried to make the pop culture references not too crazy. Yeah. But some of them, it's hard to link a lot of names when every product device just ends in a number and it's really hard to link a number into another tech product. You know what? Weirdly gave it away for me. What? I, it is burned into my brain that home alone is, came out in 1990 because of how many bar trivia questions are this 80s movie did not actually come out in the 80s. Oh. Yeah. This quintessendinal 80s movie. That's Christmas movie. I'll send I have slated bar trivia before by the way. It is true. Okay. A Siri based smart speaker and the portmanteau of iPad and broadcast. HomePod. What is a portmanteau? Oh, I can get it. HomePod mini portmanteau of what? Of broadcast and iPod. iPod. A Siri based smart speaker and the portmanteau of iPod and broadcast. Wait, the Siri smart speaker. So it would be like home podcast, home pod broadcast, home podcast pro. You just got to give me a final answer. I can't clarify it. It's definitely one of those. It's home pod. Apple home podcast. Yeah. Yeah. We have a very nice make it up. I still I blanked out. I don't know what we just answered. Portmanteau. Yeah. Portmanteau. Like a port wine. What a portmanteau is. That's when you swear to the real person. I put that in because I know Ellis has used that word intrivial before. Yes. Okay. Okay. All right. Ready Mark. Hasn't David is black from hiking so much. You should get that jerked out. I get to show you. How is that not a sound board? You should get that jerked out. Okay. All right. Ready. Yeah. Microsoft's cloud service and the documentary that got Americans interested in the most technologically advanced motor racing. Okay. The documentary of the F1 documentary is driving to survive and it's Azure. Azure Drive. What is it? Is it Azure Drive? Mike. Can you say the first one again? Microsoft's cloud service. Microsoft Azure. I got it. Oh, one drive. Oh, one drive. Drive to serve one. Why does it stop writing this down? Microsoft one drive to survive. Microsoft one drive to survive. Microsoft one drive to survive. Microsoft one drive to survive. I stole those outs. Yes. Microsoft one drive to survive. Damn it. Yeah. Yeah. Sit. Maybe you don't need 60 seconds, but we'll keep going. We don't know. We need 60 seconds. Okay. One of the worst Microsoft operating systems and a website known for selling custom business cards and other marketing materials. Oh, what? I have a question. It's a, it's a, it's a one of the Vista print windows Vista print. Yeah. Correct. Sorry. I have a bunch of you. We have used Vista print in the past. Yeah. I forgot to get a fire. I regret to inform you. Wait, did you say it was bad? No, it's fine. No, I said no. No, it's one of the worst Microsoft. Gotcha. Vista print is kind of dope. All right. Okay. In my head, I was like, Windows 8. Yeah. I was like, that's one of my things. I didn't want to. Yeah. I'm being, okay, these seem easy. I hope they get harder. I was worried these would either all be way too easy or way too hard. Yeah. All right. Mark hasn't David ready. Mark David. Mark David. Team name. Team. The third best selling non bundled Wii game and the 2020 MKBHD phone of the year. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Super Smash Bros. Brawl. So what was your phone? The west on the back to 2020. I think it was the Galaxy S20 FE. I think If I go back for now, the S22 or S20. Let's go with Samsung Galaxy S20 FE Third best selling 40 seconds There's no that 40 seconds Super Smash Bros. Brawl Hmm third best selling we get that was not bundled S20 what was this oh We sports resort or give it to me music give it to me We have no idea. I don't know the third best selling non-bundled we get it's super Mario Galaxy S20 ultra baby So close We said it out loud There's just no point super Mario Galaxy S20 FE you said times up Yeah, I know but you said you got it wrong I said S20 FE and Marcus said it out loud yes I didn't think an FE whatever would fast funny ultra was a very bad galaxy that might have been the bus I am so do you I just had to sit there and just not remember they said the word galaxy and we game what You can't give me you can't give you the points for that incredible and I'm glad it's all well and I'll also say like That's a good way of taking this is like you guys had one that you were sure of so how do you then link that into I was really surprised you didn't when Marquez said galaxy S20 FE yeah, and then I'm surprised the reason I picked 20 is because it's one so many Did you know that's the high of galaxy was a game? Yeah, yeah, it's amazing game I knew David I thought this is a perfect David Marquez question They were definitely people in the comments section like Is this how it feels when you guys beg me for points because I'm pretty hot right now Like David takes this too seriously That was 60 second they were What's gonna be That is Possibly the best we game it is so good a little word this next one's gonna be hard But it feels good to me that felt like in a Marquez David question this feels like an Adam Ellis question So excuse you. Okay, but they had 60s. Okay, okay the acronym BIOS and a folder you should never delete System 32 Is that the folder the acronym like BIOS Wow brother what B. I bro you send us acronyms all the time I understand it's canon that I'm annoying I Everyone B. I. Oh system. It's like bin bit it oh S Yeah, can I ask Gemini no B. Oh operating system 32 it's the it's something something operating system 32 Right, where's it for you bit integer operating system 32 people are yelling at us. Let me know in for final answer I'm all 32 or 42 42. I don't know. That's true. I hate windows so much I Just said it earlier this episode. I feel like I did David David. I mentioned. Yeah, how much five seconds five seconds. I'll you answer bit I'll let you take it Is the first word bin All right, okay before we say before we say it. Oh, it's just because we can talk for a second Yeah, how long do you start in the timer again? This is right if they get one syllable off you can oh no, they have to get this I think very specific I think it's clearly operating system because it's system 32 Yeah, the question is what does it be in the i-sand for isn't that when you boot up? Isn't it like the biosis when you first boot up? So is this something like a boot up something operating system? I don't know or is it like boot? I'm sorry. We're gonna get flames I think windows use Toriel I've ever watched is like collapsing in words on itself. I mean we all know what the biosis is like when you In the bios but like one will be ever had to know it pyos stands for I don't What we wrote was binary integer operating system. Yeah, I don't think that's right. Yeah, I have to think a little more By the boot I swear to god if you give it 20 seconds. Oh, it's very it's literally No, this is short for binary Ben by bin, but I don't know if it's been no B.I. OS five Integer operating system 32 All right, thank god. Yeah, we're gonna get flamed basic input output system Basic That's what bios stands for. Huh well, I don't think I knew that I don't think I knew that either which makes me feel stupid They don't think you're science. I'll play that I didn't take a least not in my I've just broken a lot of phones I booted into plenty of viruses. I've never seen Basic infinitely a lot of Vector calculus and no, it's a no you guys should be winning because you stole one no we didn't or you didn't okay No, then you're tied we're tied we're tied is 22 okay I'm going to kind of give a hint here, but not really, but only because I sort of messed the question up But I still want to use it okay the linked word One of them uses the plural one of them uses the singular all except Either way you say it. Okay, I think I don't think that's too much of a hint all right ready. Yeah, this is mark hasn't David One of Google's many killed services and the quote internet's phone book the internet's phone book is wicked Wait, no, yeah, I thought the same phone book internet's phone book HGTP I got it. Oh, one s dns But this is like something with a plural or singular. What is that first part of that? Enter one of Google's many killed services with DNS and four domain name system domain name system So what is the Google domain got killed so Google domain name system that would that would be it Google domain got killed and domain domain name system. Yes. Yes Final answer Google domains name system Yes, that's good one. Yeah, we got the fair That's good There's just so many there's so many Google services to choose from They did kill it now I have to Did you know that the week that we changed Mkbhd.com we're on Google domain we're on score space for forever and I was finally like, you know what let's change you go domains phone Some for all and then we switched and they were like oh, this still exists and they killed it. Yeah, they sold it Yeah, okay, okay, yeah Adam and Ellis let me team me. Sorry. Thank you. Okay team me finally Google's magnetic technology and a social media app with a spooky logo. What is pixel snapshot? God I can't believe Ellis got pixel snap that quick. I mean Yeah, I had that too spooky logo Okay, this one. I think these next two are potentially a little harder Okay, and all in one productivity app and an app that destroys productivity. Oh Okay, so these are actual app names. Yeah, so all in productivity app is like All in one. Yeah, it's probably multiple and after destroys productivity which would be social media TikTok TikTok tick tick. Oh an all-on oh Productivity app being tick tick and tick tick talk destroying productivity being tick talk. I like that tick tick Talk tick tick. Yeah, let's go. Yeah, take tick talk Eeees nice. That was good. Yeah, we got there. Yeah, I like the same. Okay Tick-tick is not an all-on-one productivity app by the way. It's literally how it is. It's a couple in one. Yeah, I took it all I'm sure that's how they market it. It's literally you Google it. It says tick tick. You're all in one productivity It is Team me to meet the subject Mark K. It again. Sorry I The subject of the most organically viewed MKB HD video and organically and a product that appears twice on Marquesa's desk. Yeah The most organically. Oh, is that it? Mm-hmm I wish twice on my desk two speakers. No, wait. What's the most organically viewed? I was just looking at this yesterday for a Dec. No, I have no idea. Okay, but is that not vision pro? Oh, oh, he phrased it. Yes, because you're you bi organically you mean There's a retro text that's number one. Yeah, and when there's another one Actually, no, this is higher than that. It's at 30 seconds by the way It's to have all phrase that again for you if it comes. It has to be pro. Do you want me to phrase the question again? Yeah The subject of the most organically viewed MKB HD video and a product that appears on Marquesa's desk Twice is it 15 seconds? Is it Apple vision pro display XDR? Nice house That's that was hard. Okay, okay, I get to get to the tie have two more for each of you and then a tie breaker Let's go, but all right, Mark David Thank you And app to hire a same day handyman and a barely-reviewable AI assistant to pass grab it. Oh, it's task rabbit It's just rabbit rabbit rabbit R1 task rabbit R1 yes Red No, I went to handy handy. Yeah, I'm a little worried this next question more favors Marquesa and Like a last has in there hasn't stock is yet But now it's their chance to I'm just making sure I keep score. Okay, okay ready ready the third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface a vibrant smartphone user interface so Samsung one UI And the third version held console. I don't know a single the third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface Steam deck Gameboy DS DS but the 3DS is the fourth iteration of that console. So maybe it can't be The third is the DS eye is there any like and DS iOS You guys can't look at me for like We read it the third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant Smartphone user interface is there one that like starts with switch like Is there it's there maybe 15 seconds? We've got a dub. I kind of want to go with DS iOS, but I'm I feel like that's wrong I don't know because thriving is what's killing yet. I don't know vibrant smartphone Vywant How much time they got left there's one UI there's a The answer is Gameboy color OS What is color OS? It's the Oppo operating system Oppo skin Oh, yeah, I was just watching a video about color. I was this morning. I'm so mad. I didn't get that that's so good Combo breaker that's huge pretty big Gameboy color was the third version. Yeah, cuz I So Gameboy Gameboy Pocket. No pocket was not boy advanced. No, no, it was no. No, you're right Gameboy Gameboy Pocket If you wanted to try and be a little specific there was a Japan only Gameboy light that came out the same year as the Gameboy color I was not trying to be that specific. I was trying to get the third iteration of the game. Okay, fine. Yeah, baby Let's go. Okay, my I can't even buy an apple. I thought both of those were It was pretty easy to get color Yeah, I've never heard of that. And then you get to we we talk about color OS pretty often on the podcast It's it at times. There's been part of real me and One plus one because yeah You when you said vibrant I was thinking like one of the super popular works. I thought vibrant was a pretty Good way to just mention it's another way of saying color pretty much. Um, okay. I thought whatever. All right, Mark David Okay, don't worry. Ellis. This one feels up your alley and it's for that. So we'll see okay The official name for the worst product Marquez has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider prepaid is is a is US wireless and We prepaid wait, say the second, say the whole thing again the official name for the worst product Marquez has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider Um American the worst product the humana pen. I was at the fiscar fiscar was the worst car the main I pin was the worst product dot dot dot for now. Okay, but I feel like it's still so prepaid is sink there's a singular this boost mobile Mm-hmm. There's um Oh, I'm gonna start with it. Oh hold on. I will okay I'm gonna redo this and give you 30 seconds since you got to try because I already realized I messed up a part of the question, but the answer is still 60 I'll give you 45 because you've got to talk about half of it. Okay, ready? Okay The official name for the dumbest product Marquez is ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider Dyson headphones the Dyson I don't remember what I thought. Oh wait, what was the name of the Dyson headphones? The I'll give you the full 60 seconds since it was that different. Yeah, both of you seem to change What was the name of the Dyson headphones? I'm trying to think now. Okay, so this is the Dyson think of the wireless providers I guess there's singular Oh something boost is definitely something boost or something boost Dyson Dina boost or something? Why is Dina talking my head that's not it. Yeah, Dyson Headphones had a name and Dyson headphones recall was it boost something V VTEC their vacuums V boost oh, I don't know that Wait, okay prepaid services are 20 seconds left boost mobile and what I'll mint mint US singular and US mobile. It's not US It's okay. So Dyson Dyson seconds boost air boost Dyson something boost. I need an answer. I'm just gonna say Dyson boost mobile. Yeah All right starting your timer air boost Super Dyson superbook. It's funny because I don't know if that's a hint or not Okay, I'm so proud of this one covered because it was not easy to put together but Dyson time his headphones What were they called this isn't the one with the face mask? This is the second one you said not answering that question Okay, it is the one with the face. It's funny. It is the one with the face. Okay, so if you got the linked word you would almost automatically know the other one It's not Metro boost visible mint 30 seconds another cheap one I don't know The it's definitely not boost because we would have really hoping is a big sigh after he plays blade 15 seconds one mint mint visible boost The Dyson invisible Dyson in I don't know in five seconds. I'm stumped you got me. I'm going Dyson invisible Damn it. It is the Dyson on track phone wireless a track phone on track is the name of the name of this and product Oh, and T RAC and track phone is T RAC That's a good one. I've never heard of that I didn't know about track phone. Let's provider no track phone is the wireless provider On track is the head I forgot that it was called the on track. It's called me to track Wow, it's Dyson on track. Why is it called the on and we are getting a toast I think we should look at Andrew's fan dual account just to make sure Oh, it's a great. All right. This is for Adam and Ellis. Okay Oh, and this is that this is a mark as in David of course You know what's fun. I got like a guy right. So they're gonna get right A 2013 self-healing smartphone and a 2018 smartphone that sounds like it needs healing. Okay, the LG G Flex Was the first one in 2013 The LG G Royale Flex Pi The LG Flex Pi I'm gonna ask for the final answer, but remember how this has to work. How does it have to work? How the phrase has to work So they have it has to be like a linked word a linked word You said it's the LG G Flex was that was called G Flex Pi and then the Royal Flex Pi Real Flex Pi I think it was the LG Flex Straight up from 2013. I don't think it was G Flex or was a G Flex. Oh damn. I can't remember I see the video with Mark has When the phrase is just say something I wasn't alive in 2013. Yeah Adam, you should give an answer in 10 seconds the LG real Flex Pi. Yeah The LG rule no not that you say sorry. I don't understand other rules, but you just the LG Flex Pi So close Adam said it like three times and Ellis yeah, you did say it's the LG G Flex Pi Yeah, yeah, you just didn't have to say royals is what I was trying to show like and you had to say yeah Yeah, you had to say G which didn't do because it was the G Flex was the G Flex which LG G Flex And then you said the G Flex Roy out what about super Mario Samsung Galaxy FE 20 yeah no ultra you said ultra I know those but Samsung is in between super Mario and I didn't say it's just the Galaxy S20 F So you just roll back the tape It didn't work for you the last time we rolled back You know the points. Yep Yeah, that's a steel point. Yeah, that's a steel point. Okay, that's it. We lost there's two more questions And I'm doing the tiebreaker either way Okay, damn it Mark Avin. Yes The 2016 version of a bezel-less smartphone and a twitch competitor that didn't last very long. Oh, I got this Okay, it was wait. No, I can do the phone. Okay. I'll do the phone 2016 upstairs The first one. No, no, it's one with the fat chin Okay, it's either the Microsoft uh the sharp aquas What was the second thing? It was the a twitch competitor that didn't last very long after which was the the Xiaomi Mi Mix mixer mixer Xiaomi Mi Mixer Xiaomi Mi Mixer Xiaomi Mi Mixer. Yes Yes, I know either of those though Oh I know phones. That's the one thing I know that was crazy. Okay. Okay. I think you guys have this one, but this one's insane Perfect. I'm pretty proud of this one. Let's hear it and I hope I hope I did it right. Okay. Yeah, these look good These are good Andrew ready. Yeah, the last version of a poorly named wireless headphone before the design change And a location based social network that helps discover new places Before the design change It's how you're gonna make me say the whole headphone name. It's a poorly named wireless. It's four square And it's the Samsung it's the Samsung thing with a million letters that no one can ever remember It's not the same thing is lit. Yeah, you know, it's a sorry Sony more Sony WH-1000XM3s No, it's a four and then four square is the connecting one. I don't need WF 1000 XM-4 square so your final answer Sony WF 1000XM WH I don't know This is crazy you've got you gotta say 25 seconds. I'll give it away. Let me I really give Adam the floor square. It's give Adam the floor. Okay Sony WH-1000XM4 square No way Way to get there guys That was almost really painful So that was the tiebreaker No, I have a tiebreaker even though Mark David won this round. We did if they get it wrong and we steal technically we're then tight Yeah, and then I don't have a tie breaker for the time. Just ask chat to be T for one Okay, funny story. Yeah, I did ask chat to you to start this and it was horrible It gave me all these things and I went That's not how this game works. Can you make them better and it had like a total meltdown? It said you're right I should be doing it more like this and then it did it and then without even me prompting it said wait That's not right either and then did another section then said this still isn't right I need to be more and did like six sections of it correcting itself and still None of them were any good infinite loop some basically it would just kept doing two totally different things And then the answer was two things next to each other. That's hilarious. It was pretty bad But it was how I I tried Sick so do you want to do the tiebreaker? Yeah, this is how we're gonna do the tiebreaker for just fake points No, no, okay. I'm gonna say it out loud the first team to say it gets five points I have a proposition they would another way to do it. Okay, both teams have a whiteboard in a pen in front of them. No because I need The enunciation needs to be So the first the first team to say it out loud gets the point. Oh, correctly. I need it to be perfect Okay, so I apologize in advance to everyone listening to talk over each other for about 60 seconds Okay, here's what I'll do you guys talk to each other, but whoever says Final answer first then they'll say it after that and I will pick that first. All right, let's do it This is we only get one final answer. Yeah, extremely specific. So please listen to more specific than WXM WH Yes, no All right, ready the rating that shows a device is completely dust tight and protected from Submerge in up to one meters for 30 minutes and the current most popular children's meme One meter for 30 minutes. What is IP67 English? Final answer What is IP67? No, but and the correct answer final answer what is ingress protection six seven The correct answer is IP 67 We are never gonna get that right Well the benefit to us is that I was just looking up IP ratings and then saw six seven does each other's like I have to us doing this killed that me I probably did for a while always has been Another dead meme all right, wow, well, I'm gonna go that has not been it because we stalked a new trivia We have to go back to regular trivia That was fun right I still think that the comments will be on our side. Yeah, I think this was really good It's fine. We'll check the comments Okay, so mad I got gflex well speaking of trivia pause and reorganize and we will be back for the regular trivia Yeah, the episode starting Well, okay, we're back time to do the actual trivia for this episode Let's get into it fan edition trivia All right guys LTPO is an apple thing. I did not know is an apple thing if I had asked that is a trivia question What do you've gotten that right? I don't know. Damn maybe all right, so I well Samsung's version of LTPO is called what and it's like a silly thing. It's a very silly word It's a word. It's a word Do you want another hand word? It's a word. Well, it's an acronym, but it's a word Like like it reads out pretty obviously is a word and uh Uh I can't think of a hint that's not like super obvious, you know like I have no idea There's there's one pancake theme 10th. I can't think of anything. I'll write Yeah, I don't know. I think we're all wrong. Yeah, I wrote yeah Wait, sorry, I'm sorry, Mark. What did you write? I wrote dynamic refresh rate. No, yeah, I wrote bix bpo and what is the p.o. Stand for Oh, no, I'm just kidding. It's uh, I didn't write anything the correct answer is hop It is called a hop screen and hop stands for hybrid oxide and polycrystalline silicon Well, polycrystalline silicon is one word Uh, no, but they just called it hop because it's easier. I think in I wish all abbreviations work like that. I know you just take out all the letters you don't want Yeah, they kind of do that and like all of the like Also a thing too like you could be like hops like in beer. Yeah, I like in beer I don't know if Samsung would do that. I'm in there. I'm actually they would yeah I think so Koreans like I don't think I've ever heard that before the Koreans like beer All right, all right learn something new. So yeah, just like we say we would already forgot I got paid on the score. Mm-hmm Mark has with 10. Mm-hmm Andrew with 10. Mm-hmm David with six We go back to Mark David, please Mark David. Can we split the difference next question The media center remote that Marquez made a video on wait 16 years ago is first and the company that I am obsessed with go And I and I need to get every letter perfect you change Mark has knows us and we don't Wait, this is not the question together. Yep, it's the same game This is not what you asked before though. Nope. It is not from the media center remote the media center of remote And the company I'm obsessed with Like Come on man. Yeah, what is it huh huh? Come on man. What was the reason? What was the question before? I don't remember Mark has is I know them I wrote does this count enough HP pavilion Tuning engineering I No, but I don't know how to count I don't know I'm not literally a bar. Okay. We're not salty. You're salty I don't know if it's right, but I wrote HP pavilion dv7 t. Nage engineering there it is No, not right though because he wrote t and t No, no wrong them. I couldn't hit it. No, we got to point like that. Okay anyway. Thank God to the real question. Well, that was fake Yeah, well, I would have given you the point if you like and I got okay, okay, whatever What was t-nage engineering's first product they ever made? And it was playing cards in 1900 It was actually a rice cooker Sony Here we go. I feel I knew this at one point. Yeah, because it was a previous question. It was like a while ago probably Oh, yeah, I definitely put it in cycle. Yeah, all right. Flip him and read. What do you got? Are we about to get I'm actually to again by t-nage engineering? That would be really funny. Yeah, we're all probably wrong. I wrote a desk No, I wrote a pencil No, that'd be sick. I would be cool. I'm probably I hope I'm closest a radio receiver Wrong, but you are closest because one of the products they debated doing was a clock radio But instead they actually did a lamp. Oh, yeah, the lamp the lamp lamp. Yeah, I was not lamb. I love lamb dude I Hopefully now we for sure won't forget that t-nage engineering started with a lamp and All right We should just keep having this week by time until we all get it right um anyway Well, like we said we might not have gotten a right, but we did learn something So that's for sure useful right thanks for watching this episode. Thanks for listening and for playing along Of course in our trivia segment. We have a lot fun with those See you soon in the next episode in November Pace let's November now. Yeah, it's November now. I know. I was okay. Okay Wait for us to lose by out of millennia. I was over the part of the box meter pocket I'm working on treasure music is created by the angel thing girl. Let's go Oh really me Oh my god, well because I was like I have my lobster's to buttery my steak is too rich