Second Date Update Classics: The First Five Seconds + Hang Up On Him

Hey, it's broken Jeffrey in the morning and you know a lot of people go to like the pollen count and things to see how bad allergies are We just turned to action over there to see if he's sneezing Sensitive redheads, yeah, honestly, I feel like you sneeze year round, but it gets a little worse at certain times Exactly seven a.m. And eight a.m. On the dot Ashton count and if you suffer from allergies, we're really sorry Just got a great song for you. I don't know if you realize we do parody songs Jeff writes them every week and You can see them live not live live to tape. I guess yeah But you can see them on our YouTube which we love it when you check that out It's at Brooke and Jeffrey and we are working on getting some more video for second dates It's a process. So just me dancing in the studio Stick with us on that one, but right now we're gonna do some back-to-back classics. Yeah, have fun When you're on a really good first date and the chemistry's on you're feeling the butterflies But you look across the table and notice there's something on your dates face that shouldn't be there Do you a? Silently lick your finger and rub it off yourself Oh, no, what if it's a birthmark or something? Do you be pull the fire alarm and hope the water from the sprinkler washes it away Or option C do what our listener did when he found himself in that situation We're gonna find out if option C contributed to him not getting a callback You'll find out what happened in your second date update next Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning second date update Brooke did you know the first time that you met your husband Michael that something was special? Oh, not saying that you knew like you were gonna get married in the first 15 seconds of talking to him But was there anything that happened with you? Instantly that let you know whoa, there's something real like something actually special going on No, I just felt so good around him and I was so excited about him. Okay, you're drunk So that's probably I did have like five glasses of wine to make a off-color UTI joke in the night I'm okay. Yeah, you T I joke and he still likes me That explains it I mean I remember the first time that I met Jose and I noticed his fly was down and I thought ooh special No, I enjoyed it. He asked you to put it down further You know we don't talk about this all the time about that first 10 15 seconds when you meet your date and something happens inside Apparently that happened to one of our listeners Graham recently At least that's what his email said and we should learn a little bit more about it Graham welcome to the show man Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. I Can't wait to hear about this chance meet maybe it wasn't chance meeting whatever the meeting was it sounds Great. Yeah, so without getting overly descriptive. How did your body let you know? This was special. Well, she didn't have a fly open. I can tell you that So what's her name by the way and how did you meet her her name is aura aura How'd you meet her? We met on one of those dating apps and we decided to meet at a wine bar All right Going in to meeting her at the wine bar. Were you expecting something special? Well, you know how you always have your hopes up Yeah, but I knew when I walked in that I was gonna be in so much trouble. Why good Immediately recognized me and started from across the room waving both of her hands over her head like a total door Just one of those people like me she's got no shame And you loved that right I love my gosh, she was just so like effortlessly cute Well free spirit over there. Her name's aura. It comes That's adorable so yeah, and it sounds like she was excited to see you it was like one of those like initial Meetings where in the first five seconds, I was like, oh my god. This is just like a dream That must be a lot to process right when you're first getting to know somebody so did the feeling Where often just get into like a normal date after that? I mean, I wouldn't say it wore off or it was normal. It was just I mean there was a jazz trio playing and We were both into jazz music and she was like, oh, let's make up names for the guys And so you have a family fly guitar playing and Dennis the drummer All that kind of stuff we were just cracking each other up the whole time you guys were in your own world And they're already making almost inside jokes with each other, you know like just a fun fun thing now anytime any song Comes on the radio you can be like, oh, yeah, this is my favorite drummer. Yeah, Wellington drummerson Well clearly the vibes are there so keep taking us through how the rest of the date goes it just kept getting better I mean our sense of like humor was just so like simpatico I guess to use that word like at one point she had like some lipstick on her front teeth Uh-huh. So I started like signaling and rubbing on my own front. Good. I'm glad you told her And she just looks me she goes what do you have in a stroke? He's rubbing your tongue on your teeth exactly I was just laughing so much and then Oh, yeah, it was it went so well. Oh my god. It sounds like it Why are you calling us for help then like I don't get it? How could this have ended poorly? Well, that's the thing it didn't really end poorly when we said goodbye She just came up to me and gave me like a really long tight hug. Oh, that's nice Exactly and she says we have to definitely do this again. Oh, that's nice And that seems so sincere I've texted her twice one time to see if she wanted to go out for coffee Second time to see if she wanted to go do it for a Vianite because I think she'd be great at that Wait, how long did you wait before you texted her? It was just like 30 minutes after the date or was this a couple days? I waited two days. I think that's good. I think that's too long Oh, yeah, I think when you have a connection like that with someone that you just go with it You just follow you don't gotta play the game of Yeah You took too long have you Sir boy, you just got to grab your luggage and move in with her Have you not heard from her at all? Well, that's the thing is like when I was texting her she did reply but both times She said that she was busy and the worst part was like she didn't offer an alternative time or date or anything like that It was that no, I'm busy. I can't I mean sometimes these free spirits. They really suck at text I mean Alexis if you wanted to see a guy, would you tell him like I'm just busy or would you offer up a little bit more? Oh, I would offer something else. I probably over offer honestly. I'd probably mention all the times I'm free how many times you do apologize for being busy a lot That she leaves it at just I'm busy and no explanation and no other follow-up to it That could feel like that. She's trying to brush you off. I understand Had such a thing happening It's just hard to imagine she wasn't right there with you feeling the exact same thing Well, maybe it was the fact that you made her pay for the dinner that night. We made her pay I'm just assuming did you wait? I'm a proper gentleman I paid for everything Oh, I just need you I need you guys to find out for me. How the hell did I blow this? Oh We're gonna find for you how to keep it going because I've got faith in this one because we don't even know that you blew it It could be something totally unrelated. I am so excited to get her on the phone. All right Well, let's find out we're gonna come back call aura and try and get you your second date update coming up right after this, okay? Thank you. All right, man. Hold on broken Jeffrey in the morning second date update Whenever I'm stuck on hold with customer service for four straight hours And the automated message keeps replaying over and over saying we're busy right now But don't go anywhere your calls very important to us. We're just busy. Yeah, I believe them Oh, you do they really really care. Yeah, I'm under staff But the thing is if you're on the other end of a potential relationship with somebody you really like and you get to Sorry, I'm just busy right now in a rose It's hard not to be a little bit skeptical and feel like you're being blown off Yeah, especially when they don't say hey press number nine for a different day to date me That's where our listener Graham is after a really good date at a jazz bar with a girl named aura He has turned to us because those two busy's just aren't equaling a second meetup They're not equally in the vibe that they had going and when they were hanging out. It's just sounds so good I can't believe we haven't said it sooner, but negative aura points for her. Yeah Graham I mean before we call her here. How you feeling? I'm feeling a little nervous to be honest, but how's your aura? I mean, I get it I'm feeling nervous for you. I mean you just sound so excited and I want this to happen for you I think we all do everything sounded so good I don't want to put this out there, but it has to be shocking like whatever the excuse is you're not gonna see like oh Wow, I didn't think of that. There's nothing that has gone wrong. We can change that right now Let's see if something went wrong. I'm gonna dial her number right now. Hopefully she picks up the phone here we go Hello, hey is this aura Um Yes, who says okay, this is a we're a radio show. We're called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning Thanks for being on with us Okay, hi, I didn't I don't think I signed up for anything. I don't yeah, no you didn't One of our listeners kind of signed you up for something called a second date update Okay So if you're not familiar with that it's a segment that we do on our show where we try to help people Who've gone out with somebody one time, but they're not getting that second meet-up and they're not sure why We can call and try to figure out if there's a reason for it. Yeah Does that make sense? Yeah, I guess We know you're really busy. So we won't keep you. That's what we've heard. We're really good at these by the way We'll be efficient. Okay, we'll get through this because we're calling about a guy that you went out with recently named Graham I'm sorry. I'm like super confused. Like what is this? Great question. Well, yeah No, it's the thing is we spoke to Graham about your date and we're just trying to figure out if there's a reason That the two of you haven't gone out again because you keep saying to him that you're busy But not offering any solutions on when to meet up Yeah, I mean I like I already texted him like I said I was busy during the times he wanted to hang out Okay, I think in his mind when you say I'm busy That's just like it can be a word that people use to brush somebody off If you're not actually wanting to see them, but you don't want to come off as being rude Like I meant what I said. I'm just really busy. Okay. Okay, but there's no way I mean like I'm sorry We're all really busy But like when you meet somebody that you feel like you have this crazy connection with you'll make time for them Yep, but I'm not like canceling my plans like I know we're not we're not asking you to do that But he just asked us to call because it was unclear to him if you actually wanted to meet up But it's I what's unclear. I'm saying okay, but I am busy It's unclear that if you like I I'm honestly still unclear whether you actually like him or not I like him, but like I don't understand why like he needs a third party Interjecting that's fair. I said that I'm free. I'm I'm just busy during the times he mentioned Gotcha. I I hear you and I don't want to be the third party interjecting whatsoever. In fact I'm scared. Yeah Well, no, listen Graham is actually the one I want you to talk to and it's perfect because he's right here on the other line listening waiting to jump in Hey, Laura What I'm so confused like what is happening? What's like what's the deal with these like Jobbers you hired to like we'll be about us job He said job jobbers I called you jobbers like I don't know what you guys like we are Not about us. It's like a yapper. Okay. Yeah, Graham. Why don't you talk to her? Yeah, I didn't I didn't hire them It's just a radio show and they you know help people get in touch if they're having trouble getting together So yeah, but like I told you I was busy a couple of times like don't you think it's a little extreme To like go on a radio station and who I honestly whoever that guy was I've been talking to like did not seem prepared at all He didn't know what I was talking about And he like tried to nail down a date for you Jeff that's fine. Sometimes people need a common enemy could have come together Honestly, I'm with her. I wasn't doing a very good job. That was pretty crap I'd give myself a D Or can you think of this as like a kind of a romantic gesture like he really wants to see you and he went to all this effort No, it's super weird Oh, well, that's okay. He said you guys had so much chemistry. I feel like you're so angry right now Does this feel like the same person you went out with Graham? Well, maybe not a little bit, but you guys have been kind of grilling her pretty hard I mean We can take the fall. Yeah, no, no, no, that's okay. I mean your intentions are great. That's fine Well, so we're yours, bro. I did have some bad intentions when I dialed I brought some negative energy into this negative or it that's right. You are so guilty and you shouldn't be Or is there is there anything we can do to come back from putting you out or making you feel weird like you keep saying You can stop asking me questions and he can just ask me out. How about that? Okay, okay. All right This is awesome. I think that's perfect. That's perfect. I'd love to hang out and uh, how about this weekend? Are you free like on friday? I'm busy friday. See I knew it Okay, okay Keep going girl. Well, we'll have how about saturday? I've got something that day, but like you should you probably need to know this but I'm in like two other Situationship Oh Okay, well now we know why she's so busy Oh, graham. I'm sorry. Is that okay with you graham? Or let me ask you you said you're already in two So really what does that mean? It means a lot of fun Wow finally softened up. Do you even have time for me then or what? Um, I'm free sunday afternoon like I can squeeze you in Hey, I I'm not really sure if I want to be squeezed in between two other dudes Better scampi choosers here like you're the one who's late for the party, but it's still a party She's clearly not rejecting you but You're gonna but she's offering you not much. Yeah, I'm single like I don't have to like kind of You're kind of single. I think we're all jealous of you aura if anything I think graham. I don't know graham. I feel like you deserve more than this I don't I look guys. I think I should just go with my gut and say you only love once and let's do it So you're open to a possible third situation ship with aura Well, I mean if the third situation ship goes so well, maybe it'll just turn into a single situation ship Okay, okay. Really optimistic. Good for you. So I mean But that's the point of like dating like you're supposed to Like try new things and see what sticks. Okay. That's true. Yeah. Well, great. Now We're running out of time here. So I'm just I'm just curious though aura if he does go through with this Does that put him like in the third seat? Like the last place guy or does he need to do a trial run and does he have to meet the other guys? I don't know how it works. No, that's so weird. No If it works out, it works out and if it doesn't we had fun. Okay, great I just want to be clear that we're setting our guy up for success here So we would like to offer to send you guys out on a date and we would pay for it I yeah, I mean, I'm down. Thank you Not the grand romantic ending I was hoping for Graham, but a lot more realistic. Yeah Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning Oh, was that like the ickiest yes that we've ever gotten to a second date ever not where I wanted things to end I'll tell you that. Yeah, but at least we got an answer to why she was busy And and I guess it's clear to Graham what he's walking into right like there's no mystery here anymore I don't know if it is really clear because we never really asked whether the like Situationships know about each other or how serious they really were with anything. Oh, she seems pretty blunt Jeff I mean she seems like she enjoys it for sure It's the one thing that made her smile during that entire call and get like a weird sexy voice thing How can you not when you're thinking about your harem of guys waiting for you But I just have a feeling our boy Graham is going to be happy settling for sunday afternoon hangouts Now he's sunday boy now. He's a pretty positive person. He might be okay with it It might end in a four-way marriage if it goes well enough sweet So good for you Graham keep us updated But if you want help with your dating life, you can always email the show We'll call that person who isn't calling you back and go check out all of our second dates wherever you get your podcasts at brook and jeffrey What's the perfect setting to have a romantic first kiss Maybe during a candle at dinner or on a moonlit walk down the beach Or under the flickering fluorescent light and stall four of st. John's truck stuff There's a light flickering It's a romantic part in the mood. Yeah, I'm just saying everyone has a different idea of what that perfect moment looks like Okay, but for one of our listeners her first kiss happened out in broad daylight Probably with children watching. Oh wait wait And even though they arranged a second meetup that meetup never happened It's like stall number four all over again So we're gonna do everything in our power to get to the bottom of it in your second date update right after this brook and jeffrey in the morning second date update We've all heard of dating ultimatums where they put it all on the line and say Either you put a ring on it or i'm gone Okay, you have to pick is it me or your mom? Oh my god You can't have both you're gonna get dumped every time on both of those occasions. I feel like well if they really love you They'll choose you But it is pretty rare to give yourself a dating ultimatum Like that's it. If I don't find somebody by august. I'm just marrying my weighted blanket and calling it a life Well, there could be worse options that weighted blanket really it really knows how to like hug you the right way But I bring it up because one of our listeners says she's on the precipice of giving up on dating forever Unless we can make this call work. Oh, that is so much on us Why would you do that to us jackie? Is that right? Yeah, that's completely right Okay, jackie don't come in all cheerful like you weren't just doomsday in that In that moment. No, this isn't I'm not cheerful I'm just letting you know that if this doesn't work out. I'm done. I am done. Have you heard of this segment goes? The odds aren't very high Yeah, I'm that desperate. I'm with you guys Okay We're all starting off on the same page. So yeah, I'm feeling more confident. Starting at rock bottom can only go up from here Let's begin by learning the name of the guy that you met recently The guy's name is steve. We went on a date like last thursday Thursday And is there something that stood out about steve or was it just not horrible and that's why you're okay with it Well, yeah, pretty much In the last couple months, I've been trying to say yes to anyone that asked me out. Oh my god Okay cast a wide net sort of thing Yeah, I'm putting myself out there. Okay like everybody tells you to Right and most of them have been Okay, but with steve. It was actually a really good date Oh All right. I mean I could even see the hope in your voice when you say that. Yeah Not super hopeful just like not the worst thing ever. So where was that date? It was really fun We went to a farmers market and we were just walking around like sampling the foods and talking Laughing and having fun for it was an hour and a half Okay, okay. This is good. It's a day date. Nobody's like drinking too much. I mean, did you meet there? Yes, we met at the farmers market and then at the end he walked me back to my car and you know, normally I don't kiss Someone on the first date, especially a day date, but the connection was really strong. So You had a cute first kiss after a farmers market date Yes, and then he looked to me in the eyes and said I had a really great time and I want to see you again soon Why don't you keep hanging out after that? Yeah, you don't you don't want eye contact when that happens what you want to look away in shame. Don't look at me Yeah, that's of course you want eye contact eye contact is so intimate and nice. Exactly. You believe them, right? I did and I told him that I had an amazing time and I would love to see him again And there it is again. What it's too much She said I want to see you again. That's not too much. I can see how maybe you would think that but for a guy saying I really like you. It's the most terrifying thing in the world He said that to me. Yeah, but you're not supposed to say it back to him. Oh my god Jeff what are you 14? Brooke I've done enough of these to know how to play the game and being honest and open with how you really feel Is the absolute worst thing you can do. See I disagree. That was not the problem because that same day he texts me And he said Sunday does that work? I'll pick you up for dinner and maybe we can grab a drink after okay? I stand corrected possibly. Thank you. So what happened sunday? So I texted back. Yes 100. I'm in and gave him a little high five emoji And uh on saturday he texts me and says hey, I'm gonna have to cancel and sunday. Sorry Oh, okay. Did he try to reschedule? No, he didn't say anything else doesn't explain nothing and so I just texted back. No problem. Let's figure out another time Did he respond to your no no response? Come on Steve. How many days has that been? It's been a week now Okay, but here's the thing so this is the only guy that I've connected with like and now he's ghosting me I mean, it's so unbelievably frustrated. Yeah I mean, it sounds like you're doing this not just for steve, but to make up for every other bad day that has happened Like you need this to go right and I really just wanted to why I mean like what happened Right Well, you said it's been a week. Maybe he's learned something about you in between that period of time Like you don't have to answer this but have you served time in prison at all? That could be hot though. I mean if it's for the right cry. Yeah, like even like a minor No, I have not. Okay. No prison. Is there anything that's available online to the public that somebody could come across And might be like oh god. This is a red flag Seriously, there's nothing that I can take of Okay, okay Well, this is definitely a mystery. Maybe he just had a bad reaction to the baba ganoush. You guys had a the farmers market Wasn't able to recover. I don't know what that is. Is that your food of choice? I don't know. I was just at a hummus stand last weekend. So Hot yes, so let's come back. We're gonna definitely got kisses from her husband after that totally We're gonna come back and call steve for you here and hopefully get an Explanation for why he isn't arranging a second date or let you give up on dating forever That's what she wants I'm hopeful. Yes. Let's push you back from the cliff and when we get your second date update right after this Hold on brook and jeffrey in the morning second date update Today the entire future of a woman's dating life Lies inside of our tender throats Yeah, because if we don't say the right thing and get steve to agree to another date Jackie has already said she is ready to give up on finding love forever No pressure. You definitely don't need to tell steve this. No, but i'm sure that won't happen anyway because they went to a farmers market hot You know Walked around had a great eye contact the whole time soups hot See hot and organic. Yep. They laughed even planned out another date after telling each other They both wanted to see each other again. You forgot the you forgot the great first kiss. Yeah That was such a big deal. That was like the moment right? I thought when I said farmers market kissing was implied Because who doesn't but yeah It was all going according to plan until the day before their second date when steve Texted canceling with no explanation and then went dark So brook, yeah, your thoughts on the situation at hand. Oh god I just feel like it's not going to be good if he's in a different relationship. Like if he's cheating or Well, hold on brook. How can he cheat if they've only gone on one date? No, no, no not cheating on her cheating on whoever he's dating Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're saying jackie could be the other woman. Well, I mean it's just like a day day jackie Are you cool with being the other woman? Absolutely not You didn't say that Okay, it is good to check. Yeah. All right. Hopefully that's not what the situation is. I don't want it to be that I don't I hope he's just busy at other farmers markets. Oh, that's it scoping out the best spots. Yeah The best over jeans or whatever brook likes to you. Is he a farmer? Does he work there? He is not a farmer. Okay. All right. We've ruled out a couple possibilities. Let's just call him and see if he picks up Um, I'm dialing his number right now. Here we go Oh Hello, hey, is this steve? Yeah, who's this? Hey, man. What's up steve? Good morning. You're uh, you're on a radio show called brook and jeffereen the morning Oh Great We're gonna take that without any sarcasm attached to it. But I like your style already Oh What's going on? Well, what's going on is this is a segment that we do called a second date update. I don't know if you ever heard of that before Nope But it's actually a kind of a fun thing that we do where we help out listeners Who are confused after they're not getting a call back for a second date We try and help them figure out the reason why and okay There's a woman that you went out with recently. Actually you planned a second date with her But cancelled the last minute her name's jackie Uh, I I don't really want to talk about this Hold on bro. Is this sensitive to you? I I feel bad. Can I ask are you single brooks dying to ask brooks? So Here's the deal Why what's the deal? I did have a strong connection with her, but if she knew what was going on it would Probably hurt her feelings. So it's better less than said I'm trying to protect someone's feelings hurt some more. I think you may want to be direct. That's true. I think her feelings already hurt Yeah, yeah, because she was really looking forward to that second hangout and when you cancelled with no explanation Now she's just kind of confused. Yeah, she was all excited doesn't know where she stands We're just trying to give her a little bit of information it's just I had a stronger romantic connection with somebody else and I didn't think it would be fair to her It continued My god Okay, uh, everybody okay everybody who's on the call right now, let's try and be respectful What and here steve out I can't listen to this anymore Steve is a cheater Just tell him that jackie's on the phone. Hold on because steve knows it's me He knows it's me and I know a cheater when I smell one Oh, you smell him Wait, wait, wait. I think that's my fault jackie. Hold on. What I feel like I put that idea in your head. He didn't say he cheated He just said that he he went out with someone else and had a stronger connection. He didn't quite Yeah, but whatever he was gonna cheat on me eventually Hold on you're making a lot of assumptions here jackie and I know you're definitely hurt by what you heard But let's give steve a chance to explain himself. I spoke my piece. I don't have much else to say Okay, so you're just Oh god So when we were walking around the farmers market and I didn't want to drink some water fountain because it's like public and gross You never offered to buy me a drink What? Where'd that come from? He's selfish and he's probably selfish in bed. Whoa. Whoa jackie You are all over the place right now I understand your feelings are hurt because this didn't turn out how you wanted it to but This is not the reaction that you are gonna want to have and honestly, I've never made that correlation before with guys Not being good in bed that don't buy water for their women. Well, you know, you're also a guy. Oh Yeah, well, that's fair and jeff loves water. I tell you I keep it all to myself. Jeremy Can you confirm that you're a selfish guy? Oh, sorry steve. Can you confirm that you're a selfish guy? I don't know what's happening I just I just want to know what's your take on this whole situation went on a good date I just I had a stronger connection with someone else. I'm sorry In your face, you know what he is he's rubbing it in my face. He chose a You don't know she was probably a lovely person You guys wait, what are you doing? You're like spinning this to make no him the victim It's just a victim of circumstance at this point. It's just how dating works. Yeah Sometimes you meet somebody you like more. I don't think he's in a like a committed relationship with this other person It sounds like just a casual day, right steve. I really don't think I should say anymore Okay I was kind of thinking the same thing. I wonder what's in his basement Yeah, what what is he talking about? I have a movie room in my basement and we talked about that Okay, apparently she had a lot of hopes based around that movie room I was all on steve's side until he just poured salt in the wood Sorry, it's a dope basement and yes, I have multiple flavored salts Oh You need to go I think maybe you just need to work on yourself right now. Jackie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I second I'm deleting your text. I'm blocking your number. You're never gonna hear from me again And I want you to know you lost out on something really good Really good really stable type of relationship. So steve. I'm sorry dude. It's fine. I feel like I dodged a bullet It's like I'm watching the matrix Okay, steve you're gone We dropped steve. Oh, wow Okay, jackie. Oh my god Oh, wow. No, no, no, no, no, no you guys honestly, it's fine. It's fine. I know men After that He is definitely gonna reach out to me We like a little crazy. I mean that's actually kind of I think a little is a different definition Are you saying you put all of that on just to like get him to call you? I mean, I just stood up a little bit, but I'm legitimately pissed That was a little bit I'm afraid to see full blown All right. Well jackie after you take your hiatus from the dating world call us and we can reach out to that next guy for you No, I'm gonna hear from steve You heard about that basement right it is pretty dark. I don't blame you I'm not gonna block him and then he's gonna call me and you guys will end up doing an update update on me That's a bold statement about your healthy relationship Direction this is gonna go you manifest a lot differently Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning Was it me or did it feel like she definitely had a plane of attack there? What happened? Yeah, I don't know man She went zero to 100 though. Yeah, and then she said she like what? Saused it up juiced it up. Yeah, I don't know what she did It was all on purpose It was an emotional roller coaster. I'm exhausted the second he mentioned a stronger connection with another woman She completely went off the handle But wouldn't it be something though if after all of this she was right that he did call her back Yeah, like steve thinks about and he's like, you know what she's kind of unhinged, but I kind of like it Also, I would have cheated She's right on every level only way steve's calling her back is if it doesn't work out with the other girl And then I could see it maybe happen Sure, it's probably a less than 1% chance that it all goes the way that she's thinking but wouldn't that be a wild update update? It would be and I really appreciate her optimism and all of your optimism in your dating lives If you want our help we are ready to step in and call that person who isn't calling you back By the way, go check out all of our second date updates. They're up online wherever you get your podcasts at broken jeffrey