Interview with A True Crime Psychic Medium

Statements and opinions by guests of mysterious radio are not to be considered as endorsed by sponsors or affiliated networks. Any rebroadcast, reproduction, or other use of this podcast without the express written consent of mysterious radio is strictly prohibited. Welcome to the world with your hosts, Ktown on Mysterious Radio. Ok, thank you for joining me tonight for another edition of Mysterious Radio. I am your host, Ktown, and tonight we have a great show for you with my special guest, Jeanette Lucas, who is a psychic medium, a well known psychic medium. She is known for working with police, families, and various businesses on projects for missing persons, finding missing objects, finding treasure, and solving mysteries. She has also been seen many times on major news networks like CNN. I am going to talk to her about the Casey Anthony case and the Chandra Levy case. I am going to ask her about her paranormal investigations because she is a psychic medium, so she is very involved with helping others that may be experiencing paranormal activity. Here is my special guest, Jeanette Lucas, to discuss her work in murder investigations and paranormal activity. Alright, my special guest tonight is Jeanette Lucas, and we are going to be talking about her extensive experiences including some of these murder cases that she has worked on, very high profile cases, and also being that she is a psychic medium. Being that she is a psychic medium, we are definitely going to have to get into that. So, Jeanette, thank you very much for joining me tonight on Mysterious Radio. Oh yeah, thanks for having me. Let's talk about you first. I am very interested in your abilities, and so let's take us back to the beginning. When did you first realize that you had those abilities? Okay, so when I was seven, I was hurt and had a near-death experience. And the whole world sort of opened up to me, but when you are seven, you don't know what the word paranormal means, and you can't define it. So basically, I got cut up in the head with a boblighter, and the babysitter left me in the bed all bloody. And I was laying there crying, and this man walked in, a man walked in the room wearing a minister's outfit, and I thought, oh god, I'm going to die. And he comes over and he goes, I am your real father. And I thought, okay then. And I never felt like I fit into my family. And he goes, I'm going to introduce you to your other real father and mother and so forth. And I said, okay, great. And I'm going to show you who you were when you were reincarnated. And I thought, okay. And my father was big time into the paranormal. And he didn't call the terminology paranormal, he just called it, you know, the other science, I guess, at that time, because it was in the 60s. And I'm laying there and he's taking me almost as if I'm a drone going to Japan. And I'm on the top of a hill, and I'm being shown I was a little girl in Japan. And suddenly I die after learning how to read and write Japanese. And I was about six or seven, which I thought was interesting. And they said, do you see your grandfather? He is your real father in this life. And so you chose him because he's going to teach you everything you need to know. And I thought, okay then. So if my father was my grandfather in Japan, then, but they were not the people in the room. So yeah, and I don't want to add confusion. So basically, I'm taking being taken sort of semi out of my body and taken back in time and shown this reincarnation of Japan and being taught how to read and write in Japanese. And you know, Japanese is up and down type of writing versus us where we just go more horizontal. And so it was impacting at seven. And then they told me my whole life was going to change at 27. And I would know because some of the links to the knowledge of things that were going to happen was Shirley McLean. Now I thought, what the heck does Shirley McLean have to do with anything? And basically, the sounds go through my mom looks similar to Shirley McLean. So I knew exactly who she was. She was a dancer, performer, that kind of thing. And come up to go from age seven to 27. At 27, I had a near death experience in the hospital. I had kidney failure. And when I was in there, right around that timeframe, Shirley McLean wrote a book called, I don't know, Lim. I don't know if you remember that or know. No, I don't. Yeah, she wrote it. Yeah. Oh yeah. Cause I'm, I'm, I'm a really old. I'm kidding. But she's like 80, 90. I don't know. She is, but she wrote a book called out on the limb. And she was one of the people that did the breakthrough on going out of your body and supernatural and the spiritual. And she went to foreign countries and followed up on all these different spiritual situations with foreign countries. It was really interesting. And so I remember her popping out with the book. And then within like a week, I was in a car wreck. And I also had kidney failure and I was in the hospital and I had a near death experience. And I got to go meet the big guy. And no, I didn't meet Jesus Christ. Some people go, Oh, did you get to meet Jesus? No, I didn't. I was told he was down the hall. And I asked to meet different people, which, okay, I'm granted. I'm a little weird. So I wanted to meet, check this out. I want to meet Stalin weird. I asked to meet Mohammed because these are very amazing people, you know, leaders in their own countries and that kind of thing. And so I got to meet them and had to chit-chats with them. But I thought they were just the wow factor. And then I told God, you know, I, I'm only 27. I haven't gotten married and had kids. So can I go back? You know, and I got to tell you, heaven is wonderful. And for those people losing their love, so that's, that's where you were when you, when you, oh yeah. Oh yeah, I was definitely in heaven and Stalin was in heaven. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So I had requested to interview or meet certain people on the other side. And so I got to, and I got to meet God. But what was really weird was, and I just saw a show the other day that discussed this is I saw some angels and some of the angels were so brave. They were hard to look at and God was so bright. He was hard to look at because it was like that, you know, like a gold color, gold, yellow color, almost like gold was all around. I saw all sorts of things. And I was just, I don't, when you go to heaven, it feels great. It's almost like you're in a swimming pool and you feel free. And I'm not, I'm not quite sure if you're still in your body, but you, when you die, you don't feel like you've lost your oxygen. You keep feeling like you're fine and you have no pain. And I was in tremendous pain from kidney failure. And so I came back and, but before I came back, I did, I did request to come back and I said, what can I do for you? You know, that Kennedy theory, you know, what can I, not what, what can you do for me? What can I do for you? And they told me to work on missing persons or I guess paranormal and true crime. They didn't say that terminology. They said, they showed me pictures of missing children and missing people and that kind of thing. And I thought, okay, I don't know how this is going to happen. And I came back and the next thing you know, I got involved with working on missing person cases. And it blew up in my face because there's the good, the bad and the ugly with working with cops or PIs and that kind of thing. And so I learned a lot of bad experiences quickly and failed and then got back on my feet and said, okay, I'm going to do this the right way because you can get misled. I mean, there's a lot of bad people out there helping people with missing family members and they're out to help you with the money. They're out to help with the media. And I thought, God, I just, I don't want to go in that direction. So I came back and started working on various cases. My first case, which was a success, was in New York and it was a missing rabbi. And I did not go public on it, not for any particular reason. It was just that he was Jewish and he was missing from his synagogue. And I said, he would be, you don't need me anymore. He's going to be found in three weeks on a Sunday and he was killed by two men that were in the construction field that were in the basement. And they were having, when I discuss this case, I'm trying to brief it for you because we don't have a lot of time, but the rabbi was in the basement and I said he got killed by these two guys because they asked for more money. And the rabbi said, we have a set C. You agreed to the set C and they killed him. And I believe they threw him in a trash bin, you know, like, next to like a 711 or, you know, a Walmart, those big trash bins. And then they threw it out at C or the Hudson. And I said, he's going to, he's going to show up on a beach and it's a military post, but it's not a military post. I'll call it a school. And these two men that look like officers and they feel like Marines, because you know how the military have different colors. They will find him and then call people and tell them they found him. And so you don't need me anymore. So they flew me to New York. I did the case and I came home. And that third week on a Sunday, they found him. And it was just like I said, and the synagogue called me to tell me that out of 2300 psychics, I was the only one correct. And I thought, oh, well, that's, that feels good. And I want you to stop right there. Please stop right there. I formulated a ton of questions just by what you've already told us. So I have to bring you back before we go too far. Okay. Let's go back to your less. I want to, we, we have got to go back to, let me just ask you this real quick. Okay. So when you were seven and you said you started to have that experience where a man walked in your room and you got cut by the Bob wire and the, the babysitter just allowed you to just bleed in bed. Did you have that initial experience because you were bleeding out or I mean, how bad was that? I mean, is that why? I have the scar on my head. It's about five inches. You know, honestly, when they describe the word near death, it can come in many ways. You could be dying from cancer and they heal you from the other side. You could have a big cut and they heal you because they actually put their finger on my cut and they healed it. And I've shown doctors and they said, I've never seen anything like that. They said, you've never had stitches. I said, no, never had stitches. Now, of course, I didn't tell the doctors that these people from the other side came over and healed me. I'm going to sound like a weirdo seven year old. They're going to think I'm schizophrenic. Right. It does. Okay. And, and so let's, let's talk about your, your meeting with God. Can you go into detail with that and tell us, you know, what that was like and is God a he, she, it, it. I mean, what? Well, you know, mine was very lengthy and I, and everybody is different. Some people remember the whole gambit and then for mine, I remember a lot of it. I got there and I didn't see a tunnel. But some people see a tunnel and I was walking in an area that looked like a fog or cloud. And when I walked up all these people, I mean, the love was just incredible. It was like all these people that I had known from past life were coming over to me saying, I'm your, I'm your GMA. I'm this, I'm that people were speaking Russian, people were speaking Italian, people were speaking foreign languages, Japanese, and they were just welcoming me to heaven. And I thought, okay, I'm in trouble. And especially one little woman was saying, I'm so-and-so, I'm so-and-so, as if I should have recognized her. And I do recall that in that particular age 27 near death, it was a little Japanese woman who said she was my grandmother. So she must have been the wife of the man that was teaching me to read at age seven, if that makes sense. If I'm being fluent enough for you. But she was the first one to approach me when I got to the cloudy area. It's almost as if you don't feel like there's a floor and it feels like, you know, I don't want to say you feel like you're floating, but you're literally walking in an area. There are no walls and the area is pretty almost like a sunny day, but you can't see the sun or the moon. And quite a few people were there. I mean, I would say a good 50 people. And then I saw people getting in lines, which I thought was pretty weird. And I was told not to go to the line to the right because there was a reason for it, whatever. And then I was to go in the left line and I thought that was interesting. And in front of me was a doctor because I could see his medical jacket and he had gray white hair and they said he's going to go back to. But you two are in this line because you belong over here. And I was told you have different people from different, I don't know if it's ethnic or it's not really ethnic or racial. It's almost like we're from a different planet, maybe, and we are going to go see our maker. And so to me, I got to see my God and it was very positive and loving and all these people were around me periodically that were in white outfits. You know how I don't know about Tennessee, but I assume when you were young, I don't know how old you are, but when I grew up, some of the singers in the church would wear these. White or red outfits that were in the quarter pew and they were rearing something very similar to that or something where they were wearing something like a high school graduation where it's all white. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes. It looks like a robe, but it's not a robe. So it's the garment they were rearing. And I thought that was strange. There was no talk of sex. Here's a female. Here's a male. There was no talk of anything weird. I did ask God because I had friends in all sorts of categories and I said, God, what do you think of days? And I mean, I asked weird questions. Why did I do that? I have no clue. And he said, they're all my children. I love them and people need to accept them. What is it? Was God in a human form or no? It was, he was in a human form, but he was wearing a mask and he had a lot of light behind him. So it was hard to see him and it was almost, it was not talk. But it was a he. He had a gender. It was definitely a he. Okay. And what I thought was wild and wonderful is that when you're there, it's almost like you're surrounded by so much love. It's really a hard thing to say because the word love is just a word that when you're there, it's almost like you're in a swimming pool. That's not a swimming pool and it's all full of love. And then sometimes you'll hear music, which is really cool. And I even had another near death years later. And at that time, a lot of music, it sounded Russian. And the people in the white outfits and wings came down to push me back in my body because I died on the operating table. And so I tell people, don't fear death because God is there and he loves you. And if you're not from the same planet I'm from, your God is there and he loves you. Now, if you're a serial killer, there might be a question or two there. You might want to think about your situation. You know, I hate to say that if you're a child abuser, yeah, you're going to be talked to. I'm not going to fit to you. You better fear God. But you will go to heaven, right? I mean, you saw Stalin there. So what do you think? I, I, yes, I did. And I was in heaven. And what amazed me was I didn't see anybody going to hell, but they did not say there wasn't a hell. Okay. Okay. And they weren't saying earth was hell. They were very receptive about trying to define it as best as they could. And when I asked to go back, they said, yes, but you're going to go do this. And I thought, okay. And what, what was really weird when I was 27 is I used to be an executive secretary and I became a psychic. I mean, I'd been doing psychic stuff when I was a little kid. I really never thought much about it because it wasn't, I wasn't doing it a lot. I was just doing it here and there. And I, for example, when I was in high school, I would take a deck of cards. You would ask a question or two or three and I would just throw out the deck of cards and I would see pictures on the deck of cards. And I would say, oh, this is going to happen. This is going to happen. This is going to happen. You'd ask a question and I say, oh, no, that's not going to happen. This is going to happen. And people would come back and tell me that those things did occur. And so I have a high accuracy rate, which I appreciate, but I also found out I have a thing called synesthesia. And synesthesia is not with, it's only like 10% of the world has a thing called synesthesia. So for example, if you talk to a psychic and you interview or ask her, she sees colors and numbers, dates, names. I'm trying to think, here's it. And like, for example, here's a silly thing. Like if I get in the shower and I start seeing the shower surrounds me and Kelly Green, I know I'm going to make a bunch of money. Like right now I'm doing some stock work. And I was like, I'm going to do good on my stock work. Or if I'm working on a project that pays well, I'll see Kelly Green when I'm in the shower right before I wake up. So, and that's like a theta state. So that's synesthesia. Synesthesia is S Y N E S T H E S I A. It's very fascinating. A writer from psychology today, Maureen Sieberg, S E A B E R G is writing her first book on synesthesia, but she writes for psychology today about anybody and everybody with synesthesia and the different effects. For example, there are people that are genius piano players and they have synesthesia and some of us are considered super. We have superpowers. I don't personally feel like I have a superpower. I just sort of accept it and say, okay, I'm going to do this. For example, let's say you had a question for me. And so throw me a question and I'll give you an answer based on my synesthesia with dates and names and colors and that kind of thing. Can you throw me a question you might have? I don't know. That's quick. I'm trying to blame your life. Can it be about me or what? Anything? Can it be about anything? Yeah, yeah. You don't want to talk about yourself? Chicken? Yeah, I do want to let me ask you this now and you can tie this in with what you're asking me now. I have to ask you something about your abilities because I'm wondering whether if you're talking to someone, do you automatically pick up on things about them? Because when you and I first spoke, you were telling me something about myself. You told me what it was. You were like, for instance, you. I see something in May for me. You know what I'm saying? And you just told me that. Is that something that happens with everyone? You know, if I'm busy and preoccupied, no. If I'm uncomfortable with a person, sometimes I have like a block and I don't say anything. Other times I don't get it. I don't get any kind of input at all. So I do think because I had those near-death experiences, I get input or links to the information. I'll get the dates. I'll get the names. I'll get the. Like right now, for some reason, I'm just sitting here and I hear the word Georgia, which is either a person's name or the state Georgia. Can you hear me okay? And. Yeah, I can hear you. Yeah, my phone was acting up yesterday, so I want to make sure the listeners get to hear this. But for some reason, geographically, I can hear Georgia or something else and I'm like, oh my God. Okay, so you'll have work out of Georgia or you're going to have to go to Georgia. And it will also have to do with either teenagers or your youth or connection with your youth. So I try to define it as best as possible. And oh, okay, so now I'm being taken to Atlanta and like a little drone, you know, like flying around out of my head and I'm seeing Atlanta for some reason. And I see a woman and chit chat and let's see what's going on. It just looks like chatter. Lots of talking. Lots of indistision. And then by next November, you seem to be a real happy camper. When I see a vision of you jumping up and down on a trampoline, the trampoline is always good news. It means up down, up down, up down, really good news. Like, you know what a trampoline is? Yes, yes. You're like a little kid and you're happy. So it's a symbol of happiness for me when somebody calls and says, oh yeah, hey, by the way. So, you know, my ability is in several categories. So I use my dream work for true crime, treasure hunting. I use my visions and combine it. I also have some kind of weird talent where when I do treasure hunting or missing persons, I can touch a map and I get like a lightning bolt or a pinprick in my finger. And I say the body is right here. Now, I will tell you what's weird about finding missing people is I could go get a map and let's say you're doing a 50, 50 mile radius and I'll say there's a body here, here and here. And you know, after you, whether you look and sometimes you have the cops who are cooperative or you have cops that are like, here, go through the work. They literally asked me to go out and do the hunt. Well, why am I not capable of doing that? Yeah. You know, you have the Holly Bobo case in Tennessee. Do you remember that one? The what? Say that again. The Holly Bobo case in Tennessee. Can you tell me about that? No, I don't. Oh, sure. Sure. It was a very sad case. A girl was going to college for nursing and what was weird was she suddenly disappeared. Now they did find blood to my knowledge on her carport. And I got a call two years after she went missing. Hey, could you help us with this case? And I said, oh, it's real simple, a bunch of drug use grab during kidnapping. And I thought, okay, I could only describe it to the two people that called me and asked me to help out. And I said, but here's the thing is I've got a couple of names for you. And they said, what name? And I said, Shane, Sean. And I gave them names and I told them that she, the nurse was actually in school with the kid that one of the kids that kidnapped her. When I say kids, I mean, she was a kid at the time she knew him. And that when she was older, he was still interested in her. And tragically, she was raped and murdered. And I said, you know, I said, this body is really hard to find because I can't tell if it's in pieces because I kept seeing different areas, which drove me crazy. And I said, but I gotta tell you, there's an area where the body parts are and it's over near the high tension wires. So you have to get on a four wheeler, go head north of the house. And you know how high tension wires have a path so that the engineers can get to the high tension wire. Yes. And I said, all you have to do is get on the path and look west and the body. There's something to do with the body on the left. Now I said, this sounds really weird, but stone is there. You can't miss it because stone is there. Stone is there. I kept saying stone, stone, stone. So check this out. And what was really interesting about the paranormal is, I guess, another year two went by because we kept trying to iron out all the details because apparently she was in pieces. Okay. And the man that was near the high tension wires was on the hill on the west near the high tension wires. And his name was stone, Larry Stone. And he found her. You know, that's so yeah, it was pretty, it was pretty sad, but there are cases. Can you look at a picture? Let me ask you this. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I want to ask this before I forget. Can you look at a, at a, at a picture and pick up on something like say, if you see a missing, you know, person's case on television, will you, will you pick up on something just by looking at that? Oh yeah. Sometimes it just pops in my head and I say, okay, you're looking for this and this and this. So for example, the high profile case I did with the Kayleigh Anthony case, I kept saying, I see a suburban, I see a little white dog. I see an elementary school not too far away. I said, go down the street, take a right, take a right. And there's a house that's abandoned. So I'm describing all these landmarks because women are good at landmarks and men are good at, you know, 10, 10, you know, kilometers or a mile and so forth. And who are you talking to when you're describing, let's, let's start from the beginning because I don't want to get people confused about it. But first of all, how you actually got pulled into that murder investigation. Okay. So before the, the case, the Anthony case happened, my father got a call from a guy by the name of Luke Phillips and Luke wanted to learn how to do what's called dowsing. Do you know what dowsing is? Yes, but you can, you can explain that for those that don't know what it is. Right. So, so it's real simple. You have a fork at stick and you find water with the fork at stick, a little bit more complex than that. And then you can use a pendulum to put it above a map and try to pinpoint where people are missing. And it can be a live or deceased, it doesn't matter because I find dogs and cats and treasure. And what happened was Luke went to my dad and my dad said, I don't, I don't work on missing person cases. I don't want to work with cops. I don't want to deal with it. That's my father. He's just one of those kind of guys. And he goes, call Jeanette. So Luke called me and we were working on a bunch of missing person cases and Luke had wanted to start up a foundation to help with locating missing people. So he sent me a bunch of cases. And unfortunately, most of the cases were too far away. I mean, from Canada to all over the place. And I was like, who's going to go search for the bodies? Who's going to do this? Who's going to do that? And then suddenly, I guess in Mayor June, when little Kaylee went missing, he called me and said, Hey, can you help me with this case? And I said, what case? And she'd gone missing. And but see, I wasn't paying attention to things because my mind was on my kids and my life. My mind was on writing work or working on projects. You know, I didn't always watch the news, you know, and I really didn't see anything on the case at all. And so I said, sure, whatever. And he called and I was, I told him she was killed by probably suffocation. And I said, do you know what? This sounds really weird. I feel like a man suffocated her because she wouldn't shut up. And he goes, what do you mean? I said, I think the mom was out and the man came in the room and suffocated her as if the mom was doing something she shouldn't been doing. Like either suspiciously prostitution or suspiciously partying. And the man came in the room and put a pillow on top of her head and tried to knock her out that way where accidentally she got suffocated. And I said, they took her over to this house down the street. And so I was trying to explain things to Luke Phillips about how to doubt things out, how to psych it out, how to pinpoint, how to follow your details of your talent. And he went very good at it. And so eventually I told him, I see suburban, suburban, suburban, suburban, you got to go in the woods behind the house. You'll see these three. And again, everybody, I mean, women go according to landmarks. So I saw the house, I explained it. And I said, you can't miss this. It's so easy. And I said, you keep going in the backyard and there's going to be these pavers and pavers. And down on the floor, they put these rocks down that are pavers, they're bigger. People walk on, yeah, yeah. And I said, look for the three pavers and then go in the woods and she's right there. You can't miss her. And I was introduced to Dominic Casey and we chatted on the phone and I said, well, listen, you know, here's my theory where she is. And I mean, who's Dominic Casey? Who is that? Who is that? Dominic Casey was the PI, but he wasn't a PI. He worked under the auspices of a lawyer for Kaylee Anthony. Okay. And when you saw her body, was it above ground? Was she in a shallow grave or what? I saw the woods. So my impression was shallow grave. But here's the thing is later I found out that the street she was on was on suburban. Wow. Wow. Yeah. So, so here's the thing about psychics. There's some good psychics out there that are good at just doing readings and then there's some good psychics with the synesthesia like Angela Ford who did Stargate where we pinpoint locations and we're pretty darn accurate. I mean, I can be two feet over and say right there. I mean, sometimes bodies, you can't really see them, you know, you just, they're either buried or burnt or hidden really well. I mean, that, you know, I mean, they show the true crime movies all the time because people, you can't make this stuff up. It's horrible. What about Jeanette? Can you, can you pick up messages from the victims themselves? I mean, has that ever happened for you? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The little girl was telling me suburban, suburban, suburban and eventually Dominic Casey sent me the teddy bear because they were not sure that I was right on the money with the house on suburban street. And they really didn't want to search it. And I think they just wanted to keep drawing up the media attention and you know, that's the tragedy. There's so many cases out there. Finish it up, move on, help with the next case and go from there. But people, sometimes they get caught up in a case, you know, I didn't. I was like, just call the media and get it over with. On that particular case, I had a dream. I put the teddy bear by my bed when they mailed it to me via Dominic Casey and the little girl came to me and said, I am in two laundry bags, like a white laundry bag and then another white laundry bag, you know, like you're, you're formally military, right? Former military. Yes. Okay. So didn't you have like a, not a ditty bag, but you know, like a laundry bag and you had to take stuff down to the washer dryer. Okay. So that's the impression I got. And then she was taken to the woods and buried. And why do you do that? Because you're trying to contain it. And, but you forget about the fact that Florida has this ungodly heat and the animals are going to get to it because it's in the woods. And then secondly, that area was flooded at one time. So, so even though they went there, they went a few times in that general area, they couldn't find her because the water level was like, I think, it was like five feet high or something. She was next to a culvert and it covered up the area. So when I worked on the case, I believe within two weeks of her going missing or very short time, I told them the location. And then the telephone, I don't know what you call them. The linemen is the one who said he smelled a body. When I did it, I actually smelled a body right through the phone and I said, she's right there. You don't need to do anything else. And they didn't do anything else. And it happened. They videotaped it. I called the news and said, I found this body. You know, Dominic Casey was there. Please go over there and find this little girl because she's right there. You can't miss her. And then what is what is Fox News do to me? They start saying I make up stuff all the time. They started discrediting me. They called this woman who said, Jeanette didn't do this and didn't do that. So there is a good, bad and ugly with crime cues work. There really is. It's not fun. Yeah. You know, I mean, some of the people treat you like you owe them the ability or the talent to help them find their missing kids as if you're part of the police department. No, I'm not. So it's definitely been a true experience. Well, I can tell you're very talented though. And that's unfortunate that you're not getting, you know, the credit that you deserve. That's just ridiculous. You get used to it. But now I have done so many high profile cases and completed so much work with the media that they tend to trust me more, which is really nice. Well, that's good. Yeah. And you, you tell me, you told me a little bit about that earlier. I didn't know that Nancy Grace had interviewed you. What was that about? Can you tell us that? Yeah, that was about the KF Anthony case. And she apparently was pro psychic. But I do want people to know that there's different kinds of psychic. I mean, some of these psychic say, oh, I'm a trans medium. No, you're freaking not. Because I know because I'm a trans medium really. Your face is going to change and you're going to pick up a bunch of information. No, just say you're a medium. You know, there's a big difference between a trans medium and a regular medium. Is that a new term? Because I mean, I've heard that one time before, but even when they told me that I was like, wait a minute, I've never heard that term before. But okay, so a trans medium actually literally goes into a trans. I can go into a trans and sometimes my facial features change and it's going down to you. You could hook a psychic up and she can actually go into data state. It's really amazing. And I've been hypnotized so many times and also have the near death. So it complements my brain. I can go and trigger it to go into data state really quick and get information. It's almost like I hate to use the word to cash it records, but I go into some kind of system that has information. I grab it, come back and tell you the information. So I go in and out, in and out, which is trans medium work. Then there's the regular psychic who the brain has a switch turned on. And then there's the psychic who has the synesthesia. And then of course you have the psychics who are using. This is funny as heck. I saw a show recently this past year where a psychic was doing to row work and she was smoking weed at the same time. And I thought, well, I guess okay. You know, she needs that to trigger herself, but she doesn't even recognize the fact that she's using it to trigger herself. But it was pretty funny. I mean, here she is getting high. Oh, let me tell you about yourself. I was like, lovely. You know, hey, and by the way, she was in Tennessee. Oh, yeah, it was funny. But I mean, there are some really good psychic out there, but I mean, we all have different traits. Okay, let me ask you this. Something just popped in my head. I'm sorry for interrupting. Okay. There was one girl. There's this. I met her because she's a podcaster too. And one of the most talented psychics, she's very young. She's like in her early 20s, but she's just amazing. As soon as I was talking to a friend of mine and he told me about her, he said, hey, just ask her. She'll do a reading for you. And I sent her a message on Facebook. She said, as soon as I sent her a message on Facebook, she immediately started getting messages from me. And she told me that she could communicate with people like in comas and things like that. Can you do that as well? Yeah, yeah, you can. Yeah. I mean, yes, I can. Okay. Okay. I was wondering, or is it just imagining that they're really not in their body at all, you know, all the time that their consciousness is like, is that right? No. Their consciousness is like outside the, okay. All right. Yeah. So I died on the operating table. I came above my body. I don't know, seven feet, 10 feet above my body. And so I bet you 10 bucks that the people that are in comas are going up five or 10 feet. They go to heaven. They come back, you know, they're in there out there around the room. They have a general idea of what's going on. I mean, if you're going to take an IV blood thing on them, you think they won't feel it. Hell yeah, they're going to feel it. So I tell people be gentle and kind to these people. I mean, they're going through a lot, but they're frozen. You know, it's like, I call it the pending list, you know, they're, they're. They can't do a damn thing because their body is so frozen. Right. I mean, when I was under anesthesia and then all of a sudden the anesthesia was stolen when I died on the operating table. The only thing I can tell you is the angels came down and pushed me back into my body and they were screeching and music was going on. And I remember the nurse saying, why is she crying? Because I could feel the fricking surgery I was going through at the time. So, so what I'm saying is people in comas are going to feel stuff. If I could feel it, you know, they have to feel it. Yeah. I mean, it's yeah, life as a roller coaster. I mean, talking to the other side can be really good because they can give you some great information to either help you or hinder you. So you have to be very careful with information. I try to ask for very positive information about people. For example, like a couple of guys called me recently about stock work. That's more positive. People call me about treasure hunting. That's more positive. Then there are people that call in and ask about relationships and you have some people calling and they go and women are worse than men. And they go, oh, no, I know he loves me. And I said, you know, you got to dump him because he's about to dump you. No, that can't be. Yeah, he's going to dump you. And then the guy dumps her and they go, hi, hi. And I said, don't ever call him again. He's going to come back if you don't ever call him again. And then this woman tells me he won't talk to me anymore. This is like three weeks later. And I said, you called him didn't you? She goes, yeah, I said how many times 2000 times she goes, no more like four. I was like, don't be needy. Men don't like needy women. You know, I mean, relationships are all different, but jeez. You know, so I tell people very kindly and directly, you know, follow the rules. If you're being given a rule from the other side, don't do this. Don't do it. You know, right? So when you're when you're giving a reading for someone and you tell them what you see, you know, for their future is that is that is that kind of is that set in stone or can that change based on their choices? It can change. I had I'll give you an example. I had two women come in and sat down. I used to have the weirdest environment. I'd have a like an apartment and then like a little office next door, meaning right, right in my apartment, like so a bedroom and then the other room was the office and they come in and sit down and I would look over and and I would say to these two women and I said, oh, so you're going to die this week. And they go, what? What? I said, so you and your girlfriend are both going to die and they go, what do you what do you mean? I said, you're both drinkers. You've had a DWI. So is she and you're both going to die in a car wreck because you both drink and drive and you don't use a seatbelt. And she goes, we don't use a seatbelt and we do drink and drive and we both had to utilize. I said, so guess what? You're going to both die because you're doing this crap. I said, and she goes, is there any way to tell her? I said, well, I was just about to tell you the other side is saying, stop this crap where you're going to have to use your seatbelt and reduce the amount of drinking, get in a taxi. And if not, you're going to be cut out by this machine out of the car and it's going to save your life. But you're going to have two major car accidents the next four weeks and you're both going to survive it only if you wear your seatbelt. And if you don't, you'll both be dead. And guess what? If I were here from you again, I know you're both dead. And she goes, Jesus God. So four weeks later, she calls me and they were both in the car. They were in both car wrecks and they both wore their seatbelts. And at that time there was a thing called jaws of life. And they were the first one of the first cases to use a jaws of life to cut them out of their car. And they were both drinking. That's unreal. Yeah. It was pretty sad. Here, I'll tell you one story. This is a story to tell people all the time that pay attention to your own intuition. And my sister loves the story. I had a man come in, let's call him Harry. And Harry, nobody attractive, sort of geeky, really nice. And I was shocked he was married because he was so geeky. And I said, oh, so you're going to change jobs in March. And he goes, no, no. I said, yeah. I see you in this new job and it's like a catacomb. And you know how the government offices have those walls but no ceiling? Yeah. You know, like a catacomb. So I said, well, it looks like a totally new job and it's March 8. And, but your whole life is going to change in March. And then you're going to be going into these catacombs. Did you hear the word catacombs? Do you know where I'm going with this? I believe so. Yeah, yeah. So I said, so what's going on with your stomach? And why is your stomach so upset? Are you being poisoned by somebody? And he goes, um, what do you mean? I said, don't you have a really, really, really, really bad stomach ache? And he goes, yeah, I do. I said, are you married? And he goes, yes. And I said, I think your wife is poisoning you. Oh my. And he goes, what do you mean? And I said, I think your wife is poisoning you and you're going to be dead by March if you don't go to the doctor tomorrow or the next day. So the outcome is, um, he came with his mother for an appointment. I told her the scenario and she hated the woman. Of course, you know, you're all not comfortable with a person who's so evil. And she said, you know, I think she's poisoning him too. I said, get him to the doctor ASAP. And, um, he didn't go and he died, died March 1st. And I guess they put him in the ground March 8th or something. And, um, he was in the catacombs in the cemetery. That is chilling. It was, it was very chilling because it was the first time in my life where I didn't think I could save him. And I just said, go to the doctor, go to the doctor, go like a broken record. And I have people come in all the time. I'm like, uh, you're really sick. You need to go to the hospital like right now. I mean, I had a girl in Pennsylvania. I was invited to Pittsburgh and I read for a bunch of people and a girl sat down and I said, um, you're dying right now. I need you to go to your general practitioner, call him, tell me you're on the way. And then he needs to get you in the hospital and see what the hell this is about. And she goes, what, what, what, what is about? I said, look at your arm. She couldn't see it. And I said, your, your blood is not coagulating. Something is very dangerous and you're dying right now. So she calls her doctor because her sister was there and I said, get her to the hospital and go with her because you need to get the blood test too. And, um, they ran to the general practitioner because he listened, took a blood test and he said, get to the fricking hospital and they had to do a transfusion. And I actually saved both girls lives. They had a very rare blood disease and you know how you get the, um, like an infection in your blood. And he had to ask them, how did you know to come here? I don't get it because you would have been dead. And she said, we just talked to this psychic and she told us that we were going to die in like two hours. He goes, yeah, you'd be dead. Both of you, you have this infection in your blood. Wow. I was like, dear God. Um, and, and it does occur where you can say people, but are they going to go to the doctor? I mean, I, I have a twin and I fight her all the time. I'm like, go to the doctor, go to the doctor, go to the doctor, you know, um, and, and, and, you know, people don't want to hear it where a psychic says, oh, you know, I don't say to people, I know more than you. I'm just saying, look, I'm really, I feel strongly about this. Take care of it. So you have to be your own advocate. You know, I guess I'm going to go into like, um, like missing people. Are you, are you tapped to do that type of work or is it always like murder investigations and things like that? I'm working on two, trying to finalize two homicides right now, but they're going to take a while because homicides always take a while. Okay. Um, whether to get evidence and that kind of thing. I have one that is 16, 17 years old and I gave him the name of the killer and I told him he was with some guy or cousin and the, the name and they were with his other woman. I gave him the name and it turns out now it's correct, but it's been 17 years, 16 years. Um, and the cops are finally working on it again because it's a heavy duty, cool case. Um, the other one I'm working on is in Nevada and, um, the family called and said, you know, the guy went missing and I said, no, he's dead. He got murdered. He was executed by whoever executed him and whoever he was with was this crazy little girl. Um, I said, I swear to God, she's a teenager or something with dirty blonde brown hair. And, uh, anyway, you know, each and every case on homicide can be either very easy or very hard. Um, but I, I do do missing person cases, which I do love. Um, but if I can't get anything, I say, listen, here's the fee for analyzing the case to see if we can even figure it out. And if I think I can, I charge more. What is your fee? Someone says, you know, I need you to locate my sister or some, how much would you charge? Okay. So the standard fee is between 600 and 1200, depending on how much time I'm going to put in. So, um, what I do is try to pinpoint where the remains are or pinpoint where evidence is located. And then if they need me for more time, I'll say, Oh, just, you know, pay, pay the standard 150 to 200 an hour. So let's say you need me for two more hours. So it's $400. Um, for example, there was a case in New England, I got a call on and the media flew a psychic out to New England. And they paid her like, I don't know, 20,000 to do the case. And then the friends of the friends of the woman who the victim called me and said, can you work on the case and we don't have any money. So basically, uh, yeah, Jeanette, you work for free. She got 20 grand. She got all the assistance and support, but you do everything from beginning to end and tells her the body. And I was like, um, no, I'm not going to do that anymore. I'm, I'm at a point where it's time for me to write books and work on cases and write books and work on cases. Um, so I, I, I want to go move forward with a happy attitude toward the paranormal and all the fun things that go with it. And that's going to do it for this one. We'll be back with part two of our interview with Jeanette Lucas.