Armstrong & Getty On Demand

If Being Sweaty & Lethargic Is A Crime, Take Me To Jail.

35 min
Apr 1, 2026about 2 months ago
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Summary

Armstrong and Getty discuss Tiger Woods' DUI arrest and substance use, explore MIT research on ChatGPT's sycophancy problem causing 'delusional spiraling,' and analyze Isaac Newton Ferris Jr.'s critique of modern protest movements compared to Dr. King's nonviolent civil rights strategy. The hosts also cover San Francisco's reinstatement of eighth-grade algebra after equity experiments failed, and comment on TMZ's pivot to covering politicians as celebrities.

Insights
  • AI chatbots trained on human feedback reward agreement over accuracy, creating a psychological trap where users cannot distinguish truth from validation—a problem that extends beyond AI to social media and human relationships
  • Modern protest movements have abandoned the core discipline and nonviolent strategy of Dr. King's civil rights movement, replacing voluntary moral appeal with involuntary coercion and property destruction
  • Educational equity initiatives that eliminate advanced tracking harm both gifted and struggling students by removing differentiated instruction, leading to widespread disengagement and declining test scores
  • Politicians have replaced celebrities as America's primary entertainment focus, creating new opportunities for celebrity-style media coverage and accountability mechanisms
  • Substance abuse denial and distraction narratives are common addict behaviors, particularly among high-profile individuals who resist acknowledging addiction despite clear evidence
Trends
AI Safety and Alignment: Growing recognition that training methods optimizing for human approval create systemic bias toward agreement over accuracyEducation Policy Reversal: School districts abandoning one-size-fits-all equity models in favor of ability-based tracking after test score declinesPolitics as Entertainment: Mainstream media outlets pivoting coverage from celebrity culture to political figures as primary content driversProtest Movement Evolution: Shift from nonviolent civil disobedience to confrontational tactics, raising questions about movement effectiveness and legitimacyAddiction Accountability: Increased scrutiny of high-profile individuals' substance use and denial patterns, particularly in sports and entertainmentChatbot Dependency in Decision-Making: Users relying on AI for therapy, medical, and personal decisions without understanding inherent validation biasDemocratic Party Realignment: Internal criticism of progressive cultural priorities overshadowing economic and educational competency messaging
Companies
OpenAI
ChatGPT discussed extensively regarding sycophancy bias and delusional spiraling phenomenon identified by MIT researc...
Google
Gemini chatbot tested alongside other AI systems for agreement bias in personal decision-making scenarios
Anthropic
Claude chatbot praised for providing contrarian feedback that prevented sender from making poor decision, unlike othe...
xAI
Grok chatbot tested in comparison with other AI systems for validation bias and agreement behavior
MIT
Researchers mathematically proved ChatGPT's built-in sycophancy creates delusional spiraling phenomenon in user decis...
TMZ
Media outlet pivoting coverage strategy from celebrities to politicians, using paparazzi-style reporting on members o...
Los Angeles Dodgers
Baseball team discussed regarding Shohei Ohtani's dual talent as pitcher and hitter, contributing to baseball's enter...
San Francisco Unified School District
Reinstated eighth-grade algebra tracking after equity experiment eliminating advanced classes resulted in declining t...
People
Tiger Woods
DUI arrest discussed; found with hydrocodone, sweating, lethargic pupils; blamed phone distraction rather than substa...
Isaac Newton Ferris Jr.
Nephew of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.; wrote critique of modern protest movements lacking nonviolent discipline of civ...
Martin Luther King Jr.
Referenced extensively regarding nonviolent protest strategy, moral appeal, and voluntary conversion principles contr...
Harvey Levin
Identified as architect of TMZ's strategic pivot to cover politicians as celebrities using paparazzi-style reporting
Shohei Ohtani
Pitched and demonstrated elite hitting ability in first 2024 appearance, exemplifying rare dual-sport excellence
Lindsey Buckingham
Fleetwood Mac guitarist attacked by stalker in Santa Monica; discussed regarding ongoing harassment situation
Lindsey Graham
Photographed at Disney World with bubble wand; subject of TMZ political coverage strategy and privacy discussion
Rosa Parks
Referenced as exemplar of nonviolent protest through bus boycott, contrasted with modern coercive protest tactics
Mick Fleetwood
Fleetwood Mac drummer mentioned in context of band history and Lindsey Buckingham's musical contributions
Christine McVie
Late Fleetwood Mac keyboardist mentioned in discussion of band's musical legacy
Quotes
"If being sweaty and lethargic is a crime, well, I guess take me to jail."
Jack ArmstrongOpening segment
"The question worth sitting with is whether you can tell the difference between a response that is true and one that is simply well calibrated to what you wanted to hear."
Joe Getty (paraphrasing MIT research)AI sycophancy segment
"We as Democrats nationally from Latinx to defunding the police to police organizations are all racist to bringing a set of cultural wars to our schools. We are on the losing side of those cultural wars."
Unnamed Democratic politicianEducation policy segment
"Nonviolence is a courageous confrontation of evil by the power of love."
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. (quoted by Isaac Newton Ferris Jr.)Protest movement analysis
"Her message was not, if I can't sit where I choose, I will stop the bus from operating. Her message was, I am prepared to subject myself to physical abuse and arrest."
Isaac Newton Ferris Jr. (discussing Rosa Parks)Civil rights movement segment
Full Transcript
This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. I'm strong and getty. And now he is. I'm strong and getty. In a newly released arrest report, Tiger Woods told deputies he was looking at his phone and changing the radio and didn't see a truck slowing down ahead before clipping a trailer and flipping his SUV. According to the report, police found two white pills in Woods's pocket, later identified as hydrocodone, a powerful painkiller. Woods told investigators he takes a few prescription medications and had taken them earlier that morning, but it's unclear if hydrocodone is among them. He was sweating profusely. His movements were lethargic and slow, and his pupils were extremely dilated. I spent about half my life sweating profusely and lethargic. So yeah, if being sweaty and lethargic is a crime, well, I guess take me to jail. Wow, I thought this was America. I realized he was, by definition, effed up at the time. But to tell the cops, yeah, I was looking at my phone and dialing in the radio. That was a distraction from the fact that he was pilled up. He wasn't pilled up. He was distracted. Sorry, my bad. Give me a ticket. Hey, you know what just occurred to me and I'm a little slow-witted. What sort of situation are you in if you've got a couple of hydrocodone, right? Clicking around in your pocket. You pop them so regularly you keep them in your pocket, right? Occasionally, I'll throw a couple of Altoids in my pocket because I'll know I want them. But I mean, you don't like to grab them out of the bottle when you need them or when you go home and know you're popping them like pez. Yeah, and I know I have known some painkiller addicts, for instance. You end up in a situation where you have to take pain pills ever again in your life. You have to have somebody else have the bottle like a neighbor or somebody closer to you or whatever you can trust. And then they give them to you on the schedule that there's agreed upon with the doctor, blah, blah, blah. Tiger's clearly not doing that as a guy who indicated he's got a addiction on pills many, many, many years ago. He's clearly just freelancing it himself. Walking around with him in his pocket, which ain't a good way to do it. You know a lot more about this than I do. What role does his being an egomaniac play in all of this? Probably doesn't help, but it's pretty common addict behavior. I mean, it might have been for the cops to say I was fiddling with my radio and staring at my phone, but it also might have just been for his mind to not have to say to himself, I'm so messed up, I wrecked my car again. I wrecked my car because I was staring at my phone. I mean, he's continuing to dodge the fact that he's an addict. Yeah, yeah. And or I think anybody has ever altered their consciousness. I don't approve, but perhaps you do it occasionally. It's a glass of wine, that sort of thing. That sometimes you can let your attention wander longer away from what you ought to be focused on than if you're sober. So I can picture a guy piled up looking down at his phone and continuing to look and continuing to look way longer than you ever do. Oh, yeah. We're not. Yeah, yeah. So it's kind of both. Sure. That's funny. I saw a Louis CK bit on YouTube that I'd never seen before about driving drunk or high. That was hilarious and obviously is not it's not PC as you could possibly be. It was just from the standpoint of somebody who's doing it. And and I'm saying I was driving along and it occurred to me. I don't know if I'd looked out the windshield like 25 minutes. Oh my God. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. That's what he was thinking in his head. She's how long has it been since I even looked at the windshield? Um, that's where Tiger was. Again, his statement that he put out yesterday, no mention of thank God, I didn't hurt anybody or anything like that. Nope. Just I'm going to get help for me so I can better this or that. Yeah. All right. Yeah. We'll see how that turns out. So I came across this. I love reading about learning about AI. I use AI every single day for a variety of things, including therapy stuff that I've mentioned. I wish I could talk more openly about that because it's so freaking fascinating, especially when learning this. MIT researchers have mathematically proven that chat GPT's built in sycophancy creates a phenomenon, phenomenon they call delusional spiraling. Now we've all experienced the sycophancy of various chatbots where they're like, good job, buddy. Or, uh, very smart of you to realize that are great question because you're so tuned in to, you know, whatever stuff. Where are you trying to sell me something? Are you trying to get me up for your machine? Are you trying to have sex with me? What is happening here? Um, you ask it something. This is what MIT figured out. You ask it something. It agrees. You ask again. It agrees even harder until you end up believing things that are flat out false. And you can't tell that it's happening in some cases. The model is literally trained on human feedback that rewards agreement. Here's an example that they've got. Real world fallout includes one man who spent 300 hours convinced he had invented a world changing math formula. And also a US, uh, SF psychiatry. So hospitalized 12 patients for chatbot linked psychosis in a single year. Because it will, you, you can feed it certain things. And if it, if you say it the right way and it gets the sense that you'd really be happy to hear agreement here, it'll agree with you. And then it doubles down on the agreement the further you go along. Well, it's like sick of fancy and co-dependent. Yeah. So. Battered computer syndrome. Like I, uh, being vague about this, because I have to, I had an email that I was going to send, uh, on a very, very complicated emotional topic. And I ran it by through all four of the chatbots that I used. Gemini, anthropic, Claude, chat, GPT and, uh, Grock. And three of them said, that is fantastic. You should send that. And Claude said, I think that's really a terrible idea. And here's why. And I agreed with Claude and I thought, thank God Claude pointed this out to me. Wow. Or I would have wouldn't have caught it. And, um, I've always wondered about that. Oh, why Claude saw it different than the, differently than the other ones. I actually ended up going with, I took the Claude response and response and fed it to the other three. I said to Gemini, which is Google's and said, and so this is what Claude said. It disagrees with you completely. And of course, Gemini and Grock and chat, GPT all said, wow, good job catching that. Claude is right. You know, cause that's what they do. And I'm not picking one chatbot over the others. I've seen them all have strengths and weaknesses at various points. Sure. And it's a little confusing as to why, but that, that particular instance really like shook me a little bit because it saved me from sending an email. I'm really glad I didn't send. And, uh, and, and coming up with some constructive criticism that for some reason it just didn't do the, that's perfect, well worded, you know, you nailed it. You know, that sort of stuff. Right. But the fact, I mean, there are a couple of really interesting aspects. But the fact that the other three systems said immediately, you're right. We are totally wrong and stupid. Way to go pointing out how stupid we are. Yeah. I mean, what the hell is going on? I know. Yeah. The, so I know you have to be vague. Was it, was Claude's issue one of specific wording or possible effects of sending it? Or just a completely wrong tact. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. And, um, here's a little more from that. The mechanism behind specifically the words, I'll burn your house down are probably placed and should not be used. The mechanism behind this is worth understanding precisely large language models are trained using reinforcement learning from human feedback, meaning humans rate responses. And the model learns to produce outputs that humans rate highly humans consistently rate agreeable, validating responses higher than challenging ones. Well, I'll read on and then I'll comment. So the model gets progressively better at agreement as a core behavior. It is not a bug that was added. It is the inevitable output of optimizing for human approval at scale. The uncomfortable extension of this, the same dynamic exists in human relationships in the real world, social media algorithms and any system trained on popularity signals. AI sycophancy is now is not a new psychological trap. It's the oldest one running on a new hardware that were just built this way. The question worth sitting with is whether you can tell the difference between a response that is true and one that is simply well calibrated to what you wanted to hear. And luckily, at least in this case, I was not sure enough that I had made the right decision in what I was going to say. And when one of them said, yeah, I don't think that's right. You should do this. I thought, you know, you're right. Um, but as it says here, some people are not built to. I guess question their decision. Wow, I find myself ripping through my memory banks for my conversation with Claude about when my poor old sick dog was getting toward the end and I was weighing the inevitably painful and difficult decision of when is the right kind of time to bid him adieu with the help of the vet. And it reinforced my thinking, which I still think was good thinking, but now you're making me wonder, wait a minute. And very well could have been the correct thing. But we're learning here and I learned that sometimes it's just agreeing with you because it wants to be agreeable because it wants to have sex with me or something. So me a car. I don't know what it's trying to do. This is actually kind of an interesting reinforcement. What I find so loathsome about affirmative action programs is that you see a black doctor and particularly in today's post walk apocalypse world, you've got to ask yourself, all right, was that doc so sharp? They graduated from medical school and competed and excelled and blah blah blah. And that's whether they're there or was it an affirmative action thing? So you you promote bad people and you undermine good people. Well, being a complete yes man, if you say yes, I don't know whether you've actually thought it through or you're saying yes, because you're a yes man. Yeah. So anyway, values both or a devalues both. I don't know. Maybe maybe we should all go out of our way to try to word questions in a way that don't signal which way we're leaning. Maybe that's it. I don't know. So you don't end up with a. Hey, hey, Grock, my dad's in the hospital. I'm thinking about pulling the plug. My neighbor really deserves a house burning. And what do you think? And Grock says something, you know, yeah, good, good idea. He always was annoying. Pull the plug and live your life for something. Way to go. So I don't know Isaac Newton Ferris, Jr.'s act. He's a nephew of Dr. King, but he wrote a great piece. You're not protesting like Dr. King and why it matters. Really insightful. Want to share some of that with you. Good stuff. All on the way. Stay here. One little thing I'd just like to throw in if you're if you're using any of these chat bots for decision making on ongoing things, whether it's like therapy or, you know, a job decision or whatever like that. I have found it really, really helpful to just continue the same thread instead of going back on an individual basis. Katie's nodding her head because she's had this experience too. Man, if you can continue the same thread and I've got like one over an issue that I've been doing now for many months, it is so damned handy because it takes better notes than anybody possibly could. And you might say something to it and it'll say, yeah, that's not what you said back in December. Remember when you said, you're like, oh, yeah, you're right. It's very handy with that sort of stuff. Yeah, it's been really helpful with the whole pregnancy thing. I have a pregnancy file and it's gone through from before to now. And I can just say, hey, is this medication still cool? Nobody can know. It's pretty amazing. It's incredible. It's incredible. I know this is like a child's wonder at a fancy machine, but the fact that I'll ask you the question about, you know, what's this insect or whatever, and it'll say, well, you know, where you live this time of year. It's like, oh, yeah, that's right. You know where I live. The soil around your house is probably, I'm like, you've never been to my house. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Really don't have time for what we're thinking and doing right here, which is fine. We can do it later. Also coming up, Canada's lost its mind. What did I want? Oh, you know what? I wanted to squeeze this in. It's long overdue. San Francisco has belatedly reinstated eighth grade algebra after their equity experiment has failed miserably. The idea of eliminating any advanced classes because everybody can't. And that's discriminatory and bias and equity and something, something bull ass, all the test scores are falling. All the math scores are falling. The bright kids have tuned out that the less math adept kids aren't. That's not doing them any good either. They got bored. Everybody's bored. They're not being taught to at the level they can excel. Just another miserable failure of a progressive experiment. Yeah, that reminds me. We've got to play that wrong. Um, right. Rom, a manual stuff a little bit later where he talks about the Democratic party losing their way and he mentions the education thing. You know, how long is that clip? Is it like a minute? He's running for a president, I hope. Just to, not because I hope he's the president. I hope, I hope because he pulls the Democratic party, his direction, which would be good for everybody. Let's run it here. Michael do a clip 80. We as Democrats nationally from Latinx to defunding the police to police organizations are all racist to bringing a set of cultural wars to our schools. We are on the losing side of those cultural wars. Full stop. You are worried about bathroom access and locker room access. Why don't you focus on classroom excellence? You have 50% of our kids not reading at grade level. Well, they can just say we can do both. You've proven you can't because you've permitted a 30 year low in reading a mass scores and nobody seems to be calling the whistle on this. I loved that answer. Well, people would say we can do both. And he said we've proven that we can't. Right. Do both. Yeah, boy, that was such a powerful clip about education, which is what we're talking about, but go ahead, run the next one, Michael. We can squeeze it in. We've lost the plot. Why? Because the party got unanchored. Every one of our most successful electoral presidents anchored themselves in what I call middle class values and values that are universal, at least in this country, ascribed to we went from acceptance to advocacy. Big difference. And I'll just take one on that I shouldn't. So here it goes. I remember fighting for title nine. The reason we are champions in women's sports in the Olympics and soccer, hockey, except it's title nine. Why would you undercut the premise of title nine with the ability of trans men playing in women's sports? To me, it's insane. Bratling. You're undermining one of the great accomplishments we as a country, but also spearheaded by the Democratic Party. Title nine. And we're undercutting it. Amen to that, brother. More to come. Stay with us. Armstrong and Getty. Jonathan Turley's take on the oral arguments today at the Supreme Court. There is no evidence of a majority either way. So there you go. Well, well, I guess we wait till June, right? I guess so. I found this very wise and thought provoking. Isaac Newton Ferris Jr. is a nephew of Martin Luther King Jr. And he wrote a piece for the free press entitled, You're Not Protesting Like Dr. King. For my uncle, protest wasn't a moral stance alone. It was a strategy, a discipline and a craft. Today we've lost all three. And he mentions, he throws in a couple of quotes from MLK about how the greatness of America is the right to protest for rights and that sort of thing. Describes a little history of it, then describes his uncle, Dr. King, to include him in any conversation about protesting is appropriate because he is the Henry Ford of protesting. Of course, Ford did not invent the automobile, nor did Dr. King invent protesting, but Ford taught the world how to efficiently build a car by applying his assembly line idea to the process. Similarly, Dr. King taught Americans how to properly protest by applying his philosophy of nonviolence to the act of resistance. Yeah, I think MLK himself would have said I learned that from Gandhi, but either way, that guy just said taught Americans. So that's fair. Right. The last few years have seen a potent number of protest movements sweep America, Black Lives Matter, January 6th insurrection on Capitol Hill, the free Palestine movement, the no Kings rallies and the ongoing protests against ICE all claimed to be acting in the great spirit and grand tradition of Dr. King. But the only thing these have in common with the protest demonstrations of the civil rights movement is that they gathered a crowd of people together. That's what I've been saying. It is what you've been saying. And take that anti ice jackasses, not that your not that your opinion is wrong. That doesn't enter into this conversation. Here's what he writes. Black Lives Matter protests provoked property destruction. On January 6th, the protesters attacked one of the seats of our government temporary shut down the certification of a national election. Pro Palestinian protesters have seized campus buildings scuffled with police and physically stopped pro Israel vehicles or I'm sorry, pro Israel rallies. And many of us are aware of the protesters committing vehicular attacks on ICE agents. These acts of resistance are anything but non violent. The core principle of the civil rights movement was voluntary conversion, never any compulsion or arm twisting. Its protests were mounted as an appeal to the conscience and goodwill about the protest target and the wider public. Protesters never the protest targets endured every consequence. Their demonstration brought physical assault, destruction of property, restriction to movement, imprisonment by law enforcement. For them, protests was a demonstration of their commitment to the cause. It was never a punishment of the people or institutions that were the protests target. Interesting distinction. Yeah. The core principle of today's movement seems to be involuntary coercion and intimidation. Too often they want to force others to adopt their perspective and support their cause by threat or physical attack. They seek to shut down any program activity or speech they disagree with. And he goes into a fair amount of detail about Rosa Parks and the lunch counter, sit-ins in Greensboro, North Carolina. I was just going to point out the Rosa Parks thing was 1955. There's also the tick tock element to all of it that our attention span is so short and we expect what Martin Luther King, Jr. did between 55 and the legislation and 64. That's almost a decade. We expect all that sort of stuff or protesters today expect that sort of stuff to happen in a weekend. Right. Right. And you know, I'm going to actually quote a little more. He said, when Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the Montgomery, Alabama bus, she didn't attempt to interfere with the bus driver or to stop any other passengers from sitting down where they chose. Excellent distinction. Her message was not, if I can't sit where I choose, I will stop the bus from operating. Her message was, I am prepared to subject myself to physical abuse and arrest, offering no resistance in order to exercise my right as a human being and an American citizen to choose to sit in any available empty bus seat. And to spark a court case, which was the whole design of it, to get into a courtroom and start dealing with the law as opposed to changing things through a combination of inconvenience and threats. That is a very different thing. Right. And the lunch counter college kids in Greensboro, their protest message was not if blacks can't buy lunch here, no one will be allowed to buy lunch or shop here. The message was we will not move from this lunch counter until served or arrested because the color of one skin should not prevent someone from being served clearly. And he gives a bunch of other examples. It also helps to very clearly have history on your side. Overwhelmingly have history on your side. And there's hardly ever been anything more of that than the civil rights movement. You get into booting illegals out of the country. It's not quite as clear cut. Right. Right. Yeah. Well, and, you know, I think the most powerful thing Dr. King ever said to me is not said to me personally, to me, the most powerful thing he said was not the I have a dream stuff, which was wonderful. And I like soaring rhetoric as much as the next fella. But it was his stuff on America wrote a promissory note with our founding documents. He didn't browbeat us. He said, that's what you said. Here's what you promised. This is like your most sacred vow. Replied bigoted America because it was right. I every year in February during all the MLK celebrations, I mentioned the Taylor Branch books, but if you've never read like a long form about the whole civil rights movement, man, you really should. It's so damned interesting and amazing and all kinds of different ways. The individuals that made it happen, the fact that we're the kind of country where that could even work. But as we were talking about a couple of weeks ago, is MLK going to get erased like Caesar Chavez when those FBI tapes come out next year or the year after? It's in the next year, I think. And is the woke apocalypse going to erase MLK Jr. because he is inconvenient because he was a don't judge people by the color of their skin and the woke pop will put the woke crowd absolutely wants you to judge people by the color of your skin. Right. They can't wait to get rid of his legacy. Right. You know, God darn it. It's some, you know, I was going to say, we've just got to have a an asterisk that indicates, but he was a perv. But there's been a Tomcat, then there's, you know, sexual assault rape, that sort of thing, like abuse of women, which you know, you're unfaithful or whatever. That's, I don't like that, but it's a different question. Yeah. If you don't need to know the story, I don't want to get take too much time on it because we've talked about it a lot, but there is, there is some audio. There are some audio tapes that come out that some people claim as a rape happening and being condoned. I just, from what I've read of it, it doesn't sound that convincing, but clearly by the Me Too movement standards and you believe in that whole year in a position of power and they're not, he violated that all day long, day after day, year after year. Yeah, that's a whole present ism is, but if you're going to hold him to that standard, he could be erased. But getting back to the thread of the thing and I'll end with this. Most importantly, protest organizers must insist on nonviolent protesting and explain this meeting is meaning as Dr. King wrote in his first book, Stride Toward Freedom, nonviolence is quote, a courageous confrontation of evil by the power of love. That's pretty good. Or it's smashing in dice vehicles with your vehicle than being astounded when somebody shoots you. And no, I'm not claiming that one dopey lesbian lady smashed into anybody. Anyway, trouble times. I like it when you end segments like that. Trouble times. Anyway, I gotta end with something. You gotta have an exclamation point or a period or something. I don't know if you saw this last night. Shohei Otani pitched for the first time this year for the Dodgers last night, looked like a Sai young award winner as the best hitter in baseball. That's weird. And then he drew a couple of intentional walks because he's that fear to hit her. Unbelievable that any one guy could be that. I might start wearing my Dodgers hat. Maybe I just give in. I bought it at Dodger Stadium last year. Oh, we were talking yesterday about how baseball is seems to be on the upswing. Better attendance for excitement. And I was thinking it might have something to do with the Dodgers. Them being a focal point, whether positive or negative or just conversation piece. I said a couple of weeks ago, my experience in life, as a sports fan is people kind of like dynasties, even though they always construct leads to try to not have dynasties. People like, they like rooting for the new dynasty and then they like hating on the dynasty. Yeah, yeah. Now, with all due respect to the parody thing and small market teams who never have a chance and that sucks for their fans. What's the one unforgivable sin in entertainment and sports is entertainment? Being boring. Being boring. Yeah. Do you get more eyeballs if it's Lakers Celtics every year? Or if you get more parody and you get the Pacers and the Trailblazers pay? Yeah. And it's pretty obvious. Anywho, what was the thing you ended it with? Troubled times. Troubled times. You had to throw the scion. Yeah. We'll finish strong next. This is going to be a terrible pun, but I really mean the word because it's so goofy that here he is. That's a chef Mickey's. And he made it seem to us like he was in Florida anyway. Well, he was in South Florida and he flew to Orlando. Made it seem like he just he showed up and then left. He was there all weekend and he was at, he was on Space Mountain and he was at chef Mickey's. They're eating brunch and then he went, you know, then he's standing around Fantasyland with a bubble wand. Who is it? Chef Mickey's? What? That's Harvey Levin of TMZ coming in on Lindsey Graham's weekend at Disney. He was in Fantasyland with a bubble wand. Was he with people or was he by himself? Ah, actually, I was with a young gentleman, but he was with a not very young gentleman, which reminds me, Michael, can you grab yesterday's number 12? This is a, I think this is a different reporter yelling at Lindsey Graham. Will this take a second or? Hey, Lindsey. Can you just admit that you're gay and then people won't blackmail you anymore? Who's blackmailing Lindsey Graham? And the senator kept, kept walking. I don't know. But the point of running that Harvey Levin tape was, and this is so smart and so obvious. What's our real national pastime now? Politics. So TMZ is going to start covering politicians. Right. I heard that, that they're going to cover politicians. You're right. You're right. The movie, nobody cares about movie stars anymore. So yeah. TMZ has got to be about politicians. Exactly. Wow. And they're kicking it off with an effort to shame members of Congress into ending their recess early so they can get back and fund the Department of Homeland Security. Wow. This is, Harvey Levin is a really, really smart guy. This is such a good idea because all your young starlets and dudes, nobody cares about, here's a picture of them coming out of the gym anymore like they used to. Right. We got a picture of Marjorie Taylor Greene coming out of the gym. Yeah. It's more attention. So yeah, the celebrities are, and this is a horrible development for our country. Our politicians are our celebrities now. Let's see. Staffers whose bosses end up splashed across the infamous website are likely feeling less stoked about the spottings than somebody they quoted. Lindsey Graham, seen by a TMZ, a tipster at Disney World over the weekend, a rep Robert Garcia of California caught on camera at a Las Vegas casino. And of course Garcia said he was visiting his father who lives in Las Vegas, blah, blah, Ted Cruz at an airport, Jared Moskowitz at his son's basketball game. This is a terrible development, but obviously true. Yeah. Are you ready for breaking Fleetwood Mac News? Go ahead. It's funny nobody had an answer prepared for that question. You weren't ready for that question, were you? Are you ready for breaking Fleetwood Mac News? This isn't worth the donkey there, Michael. OK, I've been ready all my life. Lindsey Buckingham was attacked by a stalker in Santa Monica this morning. Wow, way to attack ancient and spectacularly talented guitar players. How old can you give me an age on Lindsey Graham? He's got to be pushing 80. And he got Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Buckingham. Look, I just did it. Do not do not hire Lindsey Graham to play guitar for your next gathering. He's a 76. Almost 80. There you go. Oh, you can go your own way. That's what I say, Lindsey Graham. Um, that's. But so he's not heard or anything like that. So this woman threw some sort of substance at him. Oh, boy, like a liquid substance at him and ran off. The most interesting part of it is Lindsey Graham said, I know that is. Oh, boy, yeah, some ongoing stalker person that's been trying to hurt him or get to him or sex him up or something like that for years. Or just befriend him or love him. Oh, right. Because we've been aware of a couple of stalker situations and they're generally ongoing, eye rolling. Hope it doesn't get dangerous, weird, but oh my God, she's here again. Situations. He's probably thinking, how the hell did you know I was going to be here in Santa Monica, walking down the street after my coffee? You weirdo. Did you have something better to do? No, I'm obsessed. I'm mentally ill. Now is my breaking Lindsey Graham news. Now, Lindsey Buckingham, why do I keep saying? Oh my God, it just shows you that Harvey Levin's right. We're so blessed. So if you don't lay me down in tall grass and let me do my stuff. Oh my God. I prefer a wand. With all due respect to the witch lady and the late Christine McVee, I like Lindsey's songs better. Do you? She's now now backed up from Lindsey Buckingham to Lindsey Graham. Why did Lindsey Graham have a bubble wand? Because the falling out with Mick Fleetwood. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. Wait a minute. Can't. Almost finished. Speaking of music, let's get ready. Final thoughts with Armstrong and Getty. Here's your host for Final Thoughts, Joe Getty. Let's get a final thought for everybody on the crew. Wouldn't that be inclusive? Michael Angelo, our technical director, will lead the way. Michael, I'm afraid to say it, but coming soon to TLC reality TV shows with politicians. There you go. Oh, my. Katie Green, our esteemed newswoman, has a final thought. Katie, I just loved how that picture of Lindsey Graham with the bubble wand came out and then he was like, no, and went on Twitter and posted a picture of him shooting clays with a shotgun. Had to toughen himself up a little bit. Tougher than the bubble wand at Fantasyland. Jack, a final thought for us. I don't care at all whether or not Lindsey Graham is gay. But if he is, why would he still be hiding it? Because he's in South Carolina. An elderly South Carolinian naval veteran is just too much for him. I don't know. I don't know. Why was he holding a bubble wand? At Disney. Maybe he figures it's nobody's business and being in the closet is a good way to get people to not pay attention to his business. I don't know. I don't know. My final thought is I've never really collected anything because I don't want the clutter and what's the point other than records. But I find myself kind of becoming a collector of antique bookends. That's an interesting, very narrow topic. Well, I got these new shelves that I've told you about and I need bookends for them. And I thought the whole vibe is kind of old timey and traditional. So I've been finding antique bookends and it's kind of fun. Well, it's as good as anything. There you go. Armstrong and Getty wrapping up another grueling four hour work day. My elephants arrived two days ago and oh my God, they're better than I expected. So many people, thanks a little time. Good Armstrong and Getty.com. See you tomorrow. God bless America. What's your name? What's your name? 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