BREAKING: Trump Decision on Iran as Time Runs Out
50 min
•Jun 10, 2026about 1 month agoSummary
The episode covers breaking developments in the U.S.-Iran conflict following Iran's drone attack on an American Apache helicopter over the Strait of Hormuz. Both pilots were safely rescued by an unmanned Navy vessel. President Trump signals the end of ceasefire negotiations and threatens escalated military action, while hosts and callers debate the appropriate response strategy and implications for broader Middle East policy.
Insights
- Trump's rhetorical strategy mirrors Iranian regime language to signal resolve while maintaining negotiation optionality—a departure from traditional diplomatic communication patterns
- The incident represents a critical escalation threshold: direct targeting of U.S. military assets in international waters supersedes previous proxy-based conflicts and triggers unilateral retaliation rights under international law
- Domestic political polarization on Iran policy persists across party lines; even Trump supporters express concerns about mission creep, while Democratic critics face credibility challenges when dismissing active military threats
- Advanced military technology (drone boats, unmanned rescue systems) is reshaping conflict dynamics and casualty prevention, but public understanding lags behind operational capabilities
- Cyber threats and kinetic military threats from Iran are operationally linked through shared funding mechanisms, suggesting integrated rather than siloed defense strategies
Trends
Shift from sustained negotiation to conditional ultimatum-based diplomacy in Middle East conflict resolutionIncreased reliance on unmanned systems for both offensive and rescue operations reducing personnel risk exposureWeaponization of social media narratives by both state actors and domestic political figures to shape conflict perceptionGrowing recognition of Iranian regime instability (internal protests, military defections) as potential strategic variable in conflict trajectoryIntegration of cyber warfare funding with kinetic military operations as unified threat model requiring coordinated defenseBipartisan skepticism toward traditional military intervention models, creating demand for alternative conflict resolution approachesWorld Cup 2026 hosting arrangement (U.S.-Mexico-Canada) becoming geopolitical flashpoint for immigration and security policy debates
Topics
Iran-U.S. Military EscalationDrone Technology in Modern WarfareMiddle East Ceasefire NegotiationsPresidential War Powers and AuthorizationCyber Threats and Identity TheftIsraeli-Iranian Conflict DynamicsMilitary Technology and Casualty PreventionRegime Change StrategyCongressional Oversight of Military OperationsEconomic Recovery and InflationWorld Cup 2026 Geopolitical ImplicationsDemocratic Primary Strategy in Swing StatesHezbollah and Proxy WarfareNuclear Proliferation PreventionUnmanned Military Systems
Companies
ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice)
Host organization providing legal advocacy and international operations monitoring; actively soliciting donations and...
CNN
Criticized for breaking news coverage of Iranian missile attacks and alleged misrepresentation of Trump-Netanyahu com...
Truth Social
Platform where President Trump posted statements about Iran military capabilities and negotiation status
X (formerly Twitter)
Platform used by Senator Chris Murphy and Representative Rashida Tlaib to post political commentary on Iran conflict ...
People
Donald Trump
Central figure making military decisions on Iran, issuing ultimatums, and defending negotiation strategy; quoted exte...
Will Haynes
Primary host moderating discussion and conducting caller interviews on Iran conflict and domestic policy
Jordan Sekulow
Co-host providing analysis on military technology, international law, and political implications of Iran escalation
Logan Sekulow
Co-host joining mid-show to continue coverage of Iran conflict and take caller questions
Rick Grinnell
Guest analyst discussing Maine Senate race, World Cup hosting controversy, and Democratic primary strategy
Chris Murphy
Criticized for dismissing Iran conflict as presidential distraction; quoted as example of partisan politicization of ...
Benjamin Netanyahu
Subject of discussion regarding alleged communication with Trump about response timing to Iranian attacks
Rashida Tlaib
Criticized for X post alleging Trump administration racism regarding World Cup hosting and Iranian team travel
Pete Hegseth
Referenced as architect of alternative military strategy toward Iran differing from past decades' approaches
Ilhan Omar
Mentioned alongside Rashida Tlaib as example of progressive Democratic criticism of Trump administration policies
Quotes
"Iran's military is a complete and total mess. Much of it like their Navy and Air Force doesn't even exist anymore. They have been completely defeated. Iran is all talk no action."
Donald Trump•Early segment
"We're going to be attacking them and attacking them very hard. Resuming bombing? Yeah well based on the helicopter I guess we have the right to do that."
Donald Trump•Oval Office statement
"The bully of the Middle East is dead. They've taken too long to negotiate a deal that would have been great for them. Now they will have to pay the price."
Donald Trump•Truth Social post
"This is a humanitarian effort for Donald Trump to go in there and do what he was doing and is still doing like a president like a good president like a military president."
Florence (caller from New York)•Mid-show call segment
"Trump knows what he's doing. He has given them an ultimatum over and over. He's trying to work with them and they're not listening. They're not going to listen. They're not going to change."
Karen (caller from California)•Late-show call segment
Full Transcript
Today on Seculo we have breaking news. Time runs out for Iran as President Trump weighs more strikes. Keeping you informed and engaged. Now more than ever. This is Seculo. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments. Recall 1-800-684-3110. And now your host. Welcome to Seculo. Will Haynes here joined in studio by Jordan Seculo and Logan Seculo will be joining us momentarily as well. But we've got some breaking news as we said in the tease if you heard it. The United States has been trading fire with Iran overnight. This comes after the Iranians brought down an Apache helicopter over the Strait of Hormuz. The report is that it was an Iranian drone that didn't explode. And we are thankful for that. But lodged in the helicopter both of the members of the Army was an Army helicopter were able to get out of the helicopter safely. They were rescued by a Navy drone boat. All of this sounds like a movie when you hear it. But they were rescued by a Navy drone boat. The United States struck Iran about 20 sites overnight. The Iranians then responded by firing at the bases in Bahrain in Jordan and in Kuwait as a retaliation to our retaliation. So the back and forth is starting to pick back up. We have a post from President Trump on Truth Social that says Iran's military is a complete and total mess. Much of it like their Navy and Air Force doesn't even exist anymore. They have been completely defeated. Iran is all talk no action. The bully of the Middle East is dead. They've taken too long to negotiate a deal that would have been great for them. Now they will have to pay the price. And he just moments ago as he's signing a bill in the Oval Office had this to say folks bringing it to you just moments ago bite five. This morning about Iran you said that they've taken too long to get through a deal. I want to make sure I go in correctly. You said that now they will have to pay the price. What do you mean by that specifically? Well we're going to be attacking them and attacking them very hard. Resuming bombing? Yeah well based on the helicopter I guess we have the right to do that. They shot down a very incredible actually an incredible machine. At first they said they didn't do it then they admitted they did. Sort of easy because we have the bomb. We actually have the bomb. We got very lucky that bomb didn't explode. That bomb was lodged in the helicopter. It didn't explode. It was on fire but it didn't explode. It was you guys they knew how to fly but they got very lucky and then we had the unmanned boat going very very fast at speeds that you wouldn't want to go. That's why it's unmanned I guess because nobody can go on that but they rescued so the both people are unfortunately the pilots are okay. We see this. We see the back and forth. We hear now a lot of people have been calling for the president to finish the job. It seems like we may be close to that as we are thankful that our members of the military were okay. But once again this is a ceasefire and they got hit by a drone that fortunately did not explode. Right I want to address we get back to this whole media narrative that somehow Netanyahu the prime minister of Israel and President Trump are in some kind of tiffed over who said what when. We put together the timeline of what happened very early. I think it was 5 a.m. was the first broadcast out of out of Jerusalem by an American news source. And so again I'll be able to walk you through why this was not what the news is trying to create. There's not this massive you know golf that is dividing both the IDF of course and the other countries who are looking to harm us. So again one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten if you want to talk to us on air that's one eight hundred six eight four three one one zero and well I know there's lots of get done too. That's right and we have Rick Rinal joining us later in the broadcast. Logan actually will be stepping in. I see him in the control room. He will be stepping in for the next segment. So stick around. Go ahead and hit the like button. Get this out to as many people as possible and call us if you want to speak to us on air. Do you think that this back and forth is foreshadowing of what is to come. This ceasefire is done and that the United States will to take decisive action against Iran. I want to hear from you one eight hundred six eight four three one one zero and support the work of the ACLJ by going to ACLJ dot org. Welcome back to secular full lines are open for you at one eight hundred six eight four three one one zero. Sorry about that. You know dropping your kids off. Sometimes they got camp in the summer. Things get delayed. We were about about an hour from here. So you know things got a little pushed back. But at the same time President Trump just now making a lot of statements say we're going to hit hard. Iran again today. I mean I think the idea of a ceasefire is long gone. The idea of coming up with a deal even seems to be gone. What I see here when I read these words carefully. These are words I know you'd like to say President Trump. He talks in these simple terms. What he did was he used the Iranian regimes kind of language and turned it on him. I'll just give you that example. Not just the defeated part. Let's start with the bully the bully of the Middle Middle East is dead. They've taken too long to negotiate a deal that would have been great for them. Now they will have to pay the price. I mean right there if you put that into Farsi it would sound like it was coming from a religious cleric or the military. Yeah it feels like Middle Eastern war. And this is about as strong as you can say before you know troops are on the ground. Well and once again I think what you're seeing as well is that you know it's one thing to say that the scuffle between Israel hitting Hezbollah in Iran saying that violates the ceasefire in the back and forth. That's one thing. It is different when a United States Army helicopter is patrolling the Strait of Hormuz and they shoot a drone at it. Now we are very thankful that that bomb did not explode the explosive within it. I think we need to clarify that and I know we do talk a little bit about the first segment but I was listening to this because we were even discussing before we heard down helicopter. I think when you hear down helicopter sadly you automatically assume loss of life. A lot of things happen. Helicopters are a cumbersome technology even if they are a great technology they aerodynamically should not be able to fly. But thankfully that's not what happened. Like you said a drone with a bomb I guess. So it's these one way attack drones the kamikaze drones as they call them that was launched by Iran. They have targeting it went to a spot it tried to hit a U.S. helicopter. It became lodged in the helicopter in the warhead on it. The device did not explode. So we are very thankful because that would have been a different scenario that would have been potentially talking about loss of life by two pilots of this helicopter in this Apache. Fortunately it did not go off they were able to evacuate the helicopter and went down into the Strait of Hormuz and were then picked up by a Navy drone boat. This is an unmanned boat that is able to go and pick them up. One it's a lot safer by not sending then a vessel to do search and rescue. But also they were able to get there quicker. Yeah President Trump was just saying that it's going at a speed that would be unsafe for humans to be on. Which I want to see the footage of this boat. So that's what they were just saying. Once they pick them up obviously they adjust that speed. But to get to them is very quick. And you realize now the issue I can go back to Venezuela and you think about the boats we were busting there. That was what they had were still manned but they were closely with Iran. Those I wouldn't imagine next is drug cartels utilizing that technology so that you can't ever capture who's behind it. Which makes them allows them to keep producing. The other part to this and will broke it down you know that that TIFT Logan the mainstream media loves going at this. He called Netanyahu said don't respond. I think the timing was wrong on that and I think you can tell it out from President Trump's remarks. I think they did have a conversation about you know if it's something small let's not you know don't fire back. So what happens Hezbollah fires first. Not Israel. Hezbollah fires first. And then Israel responds to Hezbollah. They had no intention then of going into Iran. They had to defend their northern border from an attack. And yet while that's ongoing Iran launches ICBMs at Israel. So if you woke up this morning or you were up a little later last night you saw CNN and others break in to say the missiles are falling on Jerusalem again. But these were all defensive acts by Israel. None of this was offensive. And I think again we have to reframe the technological side of all of this because I think it's very easy for us to jump to even wartime when a lot of us grew up the war on terror era where you start thinking about those visuals. Tech has improved so much and has changed so much again we're talking about like when you said a drone boat like what does that even mean because a drone to me is in air but you're like there's a radio controlled boat. But now he's saying oh well it's going at a speed that's unlike anything. Like all of a sudden your visuals of what wartime is completely different. Well and once again when you think about you know we were still the war in the Middle East and Afghanistan just wrapped up unfortunately in the way it did under the Biden administration. Five years ago. But that was still an ongoing situation. When you see just a few years in between that what our technology is it's like did we have that in the Biden administration was just afraid to really destroy the Taliban because you think about even the Maduro raid and you hear about the discombobulator. You think about the things that we have and can do with these drone boats with the one way drones that we reverse engineered from Iran that we use in this conflict. What was the strategy of our US military under the previous administration that we had to have such a disastrous pullout of that conflict. Now I want to hear this this is from President Trump by six and I want to contrast this with what a US senator just put up this morning on X. So let's go ahead and play by six for everyone. No look I've been working with Iran for a number of months. And they should sign a deal. It's a good deal it doesn't give them the right to have a nuclear weapon. In fact it totally prohibits them from ever having a nuclear weapon. And it was just tap tap tap. I don't know what they're doing. They then shot out a shot at our helicopter very expensive helicopter by the way but much more importantly the two men fortunately they're OK. But an amazing rescue if you ever get a clip you won't believe the rescue how cool it was the equipment we have. Look we have the strongest military in the world. One I do also love that he is so impressed by our military. The same as us. Right. It's like if you see it it's the coolest thing you'll ever see. It's classified at the moment. But we look at this and it sounds in that that President Trump is almost resigned to the fact that the negotiations that he gave plenty of time for and received a lot of criticism from both the right and the left for having negotiations to try to end this. It sounds like he thinks those are over that you know we gave him a chance they're not going to take it they're stringing us along. Here's what Chris Murphy said Democrat from Connecticut this morning. Good morning. This is your daily reminder that the president has lost total control of the Iran war and thus has lost interest. He now only obsesses over his ballroom and schemes to profit off the presidency while gas and grocery prices soar. These messages which I assume the senator didn't write this himself this probably is his staffers or interns but which senator was it again. Chris Murphy from Connecticut. But just the fact that it's so devoid of where anything was he posts this today after overnight there were strikes on Iran because they shot down a helicopter. They only want to push a political narrative. It also shows you they actually don't take this war that seriously because they're just going to keep making political messages about it. If they really were concerned about it becoming World War three or forever war they wouldn't be so blasé with these statements that they'll put up that are saying like well he only obsesses over his ballroom which isn't even in the conversation today. Chris Murphy then why do you call these members of DoD and others to testify. If you think this is total loss and the war and president doesn't care about anymore and if that's true then what are you doing with these congressional hearings about Iran. Why are you trying to grab our soldiers. You senator just said no purpose to it. So what would happen though next time if a member of our military like a general did not want to show up in light of the statements. Are they going to put him in prison. I mean think about those kind of questions a lot of this material right now. I don't think any of it could be done publicly. It'd have to all be behind closed doors. You don't do that to members of our military while there's an ongoing conflict. Yeah. All right. Hey with that I want you to call in. I want you to give us your thoughts on this as we have seen now. You know the talks I feel like the last few weeks have all been about headed towards peace headed towards a peace agreement. But things have changed rapidly in the last 24 hours where now it feels like though he's saying you know the deal is still available to them. It all but feels off the table at this point as of right now. How do you feel about that as the American people. Look we know a lot of people who support President Trump do not support this war in Iran. We know a lot of people feel that this is not where what you voted for. How do you feel right now. Give us you know a bit of an idea. I'd love you to call in. You can also tell us in the chat but let me know. 1-800-684-3110 in the next segment we're actually going to take quite a few calls about this. So if you want to be on the air it's a good time to do it. You may not be on hold all that long. Greg will take you first coming up in the next segment. Again phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. And look the work of the ACLJ continues including our work overseas by the way when you hear about wars like this. You hear about look we've worked actively in countries like Iran. We obviously work actively in Israel. We are involved really unlike any other organization you know in these war zones. To make sure that your voice is being heard that your rights are being protected worldwide. 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Give us a second because our phone screener is doing some double duty right now making sure we get the sound for President Trump and also that we get to your calls. So stay on hold if you're on hold. But let's start off with President Trump. This was just moments ago about the situation unfolding in Iran right now as we are hitting back pretty strongly as we speak. So we'll see what happens. But we hit him hard yesterday and we're going to hit him again hard today in case you miss it in case you don't turn on your television set. And we'll see what happens with the deal. We were we're really close to a deal but they keep tapping us along. They keep playing us the suckers because you know what they dealt with some very stupid presidents. Of course President Trump is only with only the way he can say it. Look we are at a point where President Trump you could say for weeks has been calling for a essentially a peace deal getting frustrated with the Netanyahu administration in Israel for doing some fighting back during these ceasefire times. But then you look and you see what happens again. We all knew that trusting this regime was never going to be really in the cards. But now here we are. I want to take phone calls right off the bat. Let's go to Greg in Tennessee online one. Greg go ahead. Good morning fellas. Thank you for taking my call. My analogy of Trump and Iran is and I think a lot of people would agree with me and by the way I am a 100% Trump Christian conservative. But I would say he's making me think of a parent that counts to three before they discipline their child. And to use his MMA analogy it's like watching a prize fight. The first this fight with Iran the first few rounds there were some haymakers thrown. But now we're seeing jab jab jab jab and he sounds like Iran talking to itself. You know there's jab nothing but jabs we need to get back to haymakers. Yeah Greg go ahead. Well my second point I just wanted to throw a sidebar in. I went out to eat for dinner last night drove 15 miles had a friend that drove 35 miles to meet me for dinner. The restaurant on a Tuesday night and a small city in Jackson was packed. It was so hard. If our economy is so bad why are people on a two now Friday and Saturday night are typical go out to dinner nights. But Tuesday night I could hardly get a seat. I waited for a half hour for my friends to get there and it was packed. And like I said if the country is in such bad shape how are we maintaining this level of opulence. Well I think Greg there's a lot to unpack there. Thank you for calling in. I like the parent analogy even though some people may on both sides of it not like that he has that style. That he will hit them hard and then say hey now let's negotiate. It's kind of the opposite of Teddy Roosevelt you know speak softly and carry a big stick. He hit them very hard first with the stick and now he still talks tough the entire time. But you go back to the even the economy. Now every headline you're looking at is trying to make you think that it is completely unlivable in this country. And there are people that are struggling. There have been people that have been struggling for a long time. Since even 2020 when our economy hit what was the pandemic global pandemic that shut down the economy. It has been a long road to rebuild from that. And then you had the four years under the Biden administration where you were seeing inflation numbers at 9% year over year. That takes a long time to recover from when prices jumped that high. And then even when they're like oh look they came down the there was a headline today about inflation because it has ticked up some. There is a target inflation number around two two and a half percent. It is the last number was around 4%. That is higher than they want. Obviously they were like the the largest inflation in three years. What was the largest inflation in three years when it was 4% that was it coming down from 9%. So yes while that has ticked up and that will that will affect prices at grocery store that will affect things like gas. When you think about where we were where you you talk about this Greg that people are going out on a Tuesday night. There were people making a decision whether or not they could even eat under the Biden administration because egg prices were eight nine ten dollars for a dozen. There is go to the grocery store you can buy eggs again. Yeah I mean that is one thing that people aren't talking about. This is not a situation that we have an economic crisis on our hand. I also think Greg you're lucky we're lucky we live in a state like Tennessee. Very true. And you live in a very red state that has some controls over a lot of these different things. I think you go and you see what gas prices are other places you see what some of the prices the inflations are in other cities some of the major cities. Now of course you can go to New York City and see okay well there was twenty thousand dollars to go you know to sit in the nosebleeds of the next game. You know our people really hurt. I mean that's obviously not the normal person who's going to those things. There are a lot of issues that come out. But when you start the beginning of this you talk about the parent counting three with Iran and it seems like now they're tapped up to I'd say take it down one of our helicopters. You know does it feel like a tap. Yes it doesn't feel like an annoyance that feels like an act of war. That is an act of war. Yeah. So we were in a ceasefire so an act of war does not have to be necessary that we've made that declaration of war. But this is a certain kind of act that then allows under international law for you to hit back as a nation when when they target your military or your your place even workplaces you you can then retaliate under the U.N. International law. Look I wanted to take calls on people who believe in in different versions of what is right wrong in terms of the war in Iran. So I want to go to Patricia in North Carolina who's listening on the radio. Patricia go ahead. You there Patricia. All right let's put her back on hold we'll see if we can get to her a little bit later in the meantime then let's go to Florence in New York a little bit different. We'll swear of here Florence go ahead. I'm going to say good morning good afternoon whatever it is but it's a good one. All right. I'm driving I'm in my car I have no notes. So I'm just going to go at it. I prefer it that way. First of all let's go to that gentleman who just called about Donald Trump being a parent or whatever. People have to understand some things about what President Donald Trump is doing with Iran. When I ran started slaughtering and murdering 30,000 people in the streets because they wanted their freedom they wanted a regime change. We did not draw first blood. This is basically like a humanitarian effort for Donald Trump to go in there and do what he was doing and is still doing like a president like a good president like a military president. He does not need to let anybody know what chest game he's about to play what movie is about to move. Do I believe he's about to do something. Yes. Is he about to put them in checkmate. Yes. That's what I believe that's what's in my heart. Next I want to address Chris Murphy that hack. He should be ashamed of himself and any person whether you're a Democrat Republican or an independent. If you were in the military you already know what's going on and to speak against the commander in chief whether you agree disagree or not. To me this is a humanitarian effort going in to have a regime change the same way he's doing with Cuba same way he's doing with Venezuela. We don't have to have boots on the ground. There's a way to talk to people to get these things done. You know I think there's a big question which you saw how supportive she is of the president. There is that one caveat boots on the ground. Yeah. And at some point this Iran Iran escalates. President Trump said yesterday and the day before yesterday it will be us going in to move that uranium out. He's like we may be able to do it with the UN and their scientists but we are going to go in and do it. So right there there will be boots on the ground at some point under the current strategy. We were even talking about what that even looks like of getting uranium out. Even the idea of what it is what it looks like how it's done. I'd say Florence thank you for calling you're welcome on this show anytime. No notes needed. You didn't need anything. You know just call back tell them you're one of our favorites. Put you up. Fantastic. I appreciate it. Hey phone lines are open for you so we're heading to the second half hour. If you lose us here don't join us on aclj.org on YouTube on rubble. You can find the show whether we're live 12 to 1 p.m. Eastern time Monday through Friday or archived later on however you get your podcast. We're there almost immediately after the show ends at the top of the hour. You can find it archived there at aclj.org. We'll be back in less than a minute. Don't go anywhere. Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever this is Seculo. And now your host Logan Seculo. Welcome back to Seculo second half hour of the show. Here we are folks phone lines are lightened up. We've got a couple open 1-800-684-3110. Will Haynes in the studio. Jordan Seculo in studio. Rick Grinnell joining us in the next segment. Phone lines again are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. Talking about the what feels like the relaunch of the war in Iran after a drone took down one of our helicopters. Now I do want to say to make sure it's clear because I don't feel like it actually was very clear that no loss of life. We're able to rescue both the pilots that were involved in this helicopter crash. Again it was hit by an Iranian drone. Bob did not detonate. We were able to actually capture the bomb. And at the same time we were able to send out what they call a drone boat which essentially a remote control boat that goes very, very fast and picked up these soldiers and got them out of harm's way. This is though a big escalation in the war in Iran. And look I know that for a lot of you you feel one way or the other about the war in Iran. Even if you're a conservative, even if you're a President Trump supporter, you may have voted for President Trump because look he was the candidate that ran on no new wars, wasn't going to be starting wars, that wasn't what he was going to do. And look now we're multiple months into a war. Of course he said there's nothing compared to Vietnam, nothing compared to the war on terror and all that. Look that's true. But again you may feel a little disappointed in President Trump making that decision. I want to hear from you one way or the other. 1-800-6800-431-10. 1-800-6800-431-10. I think for the mass majority of the people actually in the comments and the calls they don't feel that way. So that could be a social media construct that pretends to not understand. That's what I was talking about before is like timelines don't matter in those social media context is not there. There's not footnotes to this, footnotes to that or revisions. But I want to take Patricia's call online for support of our country but has some questions about all the wars that are going on. Patricia, welcome to the show. You're on the air. Hi. Thank you and good afternoon. Thank you for having me. As I said before, I'm all for our country protecting our country's interest. And I'm all for protecting our military. I have three brothers that went through the military. And therefore, I'm concerned as much about the war in our country as I am about the war coming at our country through other means for other reasons. And what I mean by that is the cybersecurity that's being breached all the time. It's about the identity theft that's taking place and it's rampant. And our local government doesn't seem to know what to do about it and they don't assert themselves to do anything about it. And so therefore, as a senior, I feel constantly victimized every day because people are listening in on my phone calls. They're capturing my information. They're trying to use my information against me to try to take over my life. Patricia, I 100% hear what you're saying and I think one, that is kind of one of the other reasons why Iran is such a threat to the United States. When you inundate people with the spam that we get, with the junk that we get, that it's tied to exactly what you care about, you then, if you're not thinking twice about it being spam, you start thinking, why am I getting this? Why am I getting this pro-anti-Israel message in my inbox and what's going on here? And again, we can explain to that how that process works likely and all of that. But I do think it speaks to a larger point of we want to protect, help protect the world. Now, she was talking about four wars. I'm not sure what four wars in addition to this she was referring to because front and stage, this is the most significant. She might also meant Russia, Ukraine, but we're really just providing assets there, not putting it on the ground. And to that point as well about cybersecurity. Most of the cyber security threats that happen against individuals come from overseas, places like Russia, places like Iran. They use cyber security threats against Americans or identity theft to steal, to get money, to fund their terrorism. They have illicit networks that do this. So even when you talk about this front of a different war, it's not necessarily that much different than combating them for their kinetic threats. Their cyber threats are just as dangerous as well. That's right. Hey, phone lines are completely jammed right now. We're going to talk about the main Senate race. We're going to talk about the grand platinum. You've heard all these words now. He won. What does it look like? We're going to talk a little bit about that and a little bit of World Cup controversy. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Secular. We're joined now by Rick Grinnell. Rick, we've been talking politics with you the last few times you've been on. You've been on the show. You've been on the show. You've been on the show. You've been on the show. We've been talking politics with you the last few times you've been on here. We'll have some Iran chatter as well as things have kind of heated back up over them downing an Apache helicopter. But last night we saw the Democrats in Maine nominate to be the next U.S. Senator if he can beat Susan Collins, the longtime Republican from Maine. An individual who has a very humble background as a oyster farmer and veteran, but also has a Nazi tattoo, has horrible things you can't say on the radio, which we're not just online for you folks that are watching us. We also are on terrestrial radio and satellite radio. Things you can't say legally. This is a problematic person and yet he was able to beat a popular governor for this seat as a nobody with all this baggage. What do you make of this, Rick? Well, look, first of all, let's start from the fact that Maine is different, right? There's a lot of states that are very different than a traditional Republican state or a swing state. And I'm a Republican that thinks, you know, we need to be able to have people that can win in different states, even if it's a blue state, a light blue state or a purple state. And so we shouldn't be so purist to say that, you know, you've got to have a complete 100% voting friend in order to have a friend. I don't think like that. I guess maybe because I live in California, a little more realistic. I think Susan Collins makes the Republican Party better. I think she is thoughtful, judicious. I've really gotten to know her and I like her very much. And she is a great representative for Maine. A lot of people in Maine are free thinkers, they want common sense. And I think that Susan Collins always is thoughtful and not only is she effective for Maine, but I think she's really making the Republican Party better with her ideas. Now you take who her opponent is at this point. And once again, this is something that I love the way you described Maine. Maine is a great state. I visited there. I love it. But when you start to think about what's going on and the fact that the Democrats now have nominated someone to try and unseat her, someone who is a free thinker, this is someone that is, it is shocking that with all the baggage they have at this point, was able to run away with a nomination for the DNC to become a U.S. Senator. What are your thoughts on that? Well, I think part of the reason why is that the Maine Democrats have become like the rest of America way more less than normal. There's not your father's Democratic Party anymore. And so they went looking for someone who could, in their minds, bring home the mail vote, which they have lost over the years. And have just abandoned the Democratic Party. And in doing so, I think they proved that they just went too far left. This guy is out of the mainstream. He's not someone that is going to go over well in Maine or any swing state. I think he would struggle in New York. I think he would struggle in California. I don't understand what his appeal is. I think early on they wanted a vet. They wanted a guy who was unequivocally male. And then we've had since then revelations that have really exposed him for being a total fraud. And I think that's the troublesome recipe right now is that he's not even consistently what they wanted in the beginning, but they were stuck with them. I think he'll drag down a lot of Democrats. Rick, I was going to ask you that next, because again, we are seeing the kind of grassroots Democrats and liberals keep putting Ford out of the mainstream for Democrats. Candidates that in the past, maybe even a decade ago, would have had no shot at all, would not have even made it through a runoff, probably wouldn't have had more than one or 2%, if any allegations like this came to light before people started voting. But again, Rick, is this kind of like the people decided, you know, it's not just about winning for us anymore. We want to only win with the most liberal candidate we can get through the primary process. Well, I also think, I think those are great points, Jordan. I think one of the other issues they have is just the issue of their governor. Right. She, Jim Mills was trying to be somebody who wanted to take the Senate seat after her governorship, but she was so unsuccessful that the big personality in the Democratic Party, the governor, the sitting governor, was losing support because she just couldn't govern very well. And so they just really had to look for an alternative. But the traditional Democrats still want her because she's been around for a long time. And I think to be honest, if they would have gone with the governor in Maine, the race would have been over fast because, again, it has such a terrible record of policy that the people of Maine would have rejected that fast. They already know her failures. Rick, I did want to change topics here a little bit because, you know, the nation is starting to get ready for the World Cup. Very excited. This weekend. That's right. And at my alma mater yesterday at Auburn University, they had the Argentinian team face off against Iceland, the last preparation match. Very cool to see imagery out of that. Never thought in a million years a small town in Lee County, Alabama would have what looked, it's almost 90,000 people fit in the state. And it looked 90% full for that. But you're starting to see, obviously, everything's politics. Rashida Tlaib put this out. From the very start, this World Cup has been consumed by controversy. And now the Trump administration is putting its racism on full display. Omar Artan of Somalia, Africa's top referee was denied entry despite his diplomatic visa. Meanwhile, the entire Iranian team is being forced to commute from Mexico for every match. It's a disgrace. Which is a host country. That's right. Mexico being a host country as well. I got one major part of this. When you're going to call someone like a racist or xenophobic, President Trump and his team agreed to a World Cup that would not just be held in the United States of America, but that would be held in the North America. So you got, again, Canada, the United States and Mexico. And like that idiotic writing she wrote in saying, you know, they're having to drive from Mexico. No, there are training grounds in Mexico. There's games in Mexico. They're spread out all over the country. These guys fly all the time. And so again, they just missed the truth. But going back to the... Most of their audience isn't going to think like that. They're not going to read it that closely. And they're going to just think, yeah, Donald Trump racist. Donald Trump first president I know of, who's allowed a major sporting event to occur in two other additional countries. Yeah. I mean, this is Rick. But at the same moment, it's not like just because the World Cup is here that all of a sudden our guard needs to be down in terms of vetting who's coming, especially when they're coming in from countries that I don't know, we're in active military conflict with like Iran. Well, look, I don't like Rashida Khalid's anti-Mexican stance. I mean, I think the Mexican people have contributed a lot to America. Mexican Americans are part of our fabric. Mexico is an ally that we respect. And to somehow diss Mexico that they're not capable of hosting. They are a host here. And Rashida Khalid should not be so anti-Latin, anti-Hispanic and anti-Mexican. This is clearly what her agenda is. She's pretty xenophobic, if you ask me, Rick, that she would put something like this on X. Yes, she's proud of it. She's proud to be, you know, but you know, what she doesn't understand is how hardworking the Mexican people are and how they deserve to be a part of FIFA. Yeah, exactly. And the Iran games, as I was looking at the first game, is in Los Angeles. So they'll be playing. They will be traveling into the United States. They're all good. Yeah. A lot of those teams, they get here and half the team doesn't go home. They want to stay, right? I mean, you know, so. Well, especially for, say, Rangelis. I mean, we're going to be hosting the Iranians here and we have the biggest Iranian-American community outside of Tehran. And I think this whole city is going to really try to say to these individuals, leave your country and get out now. And I think we will see some deportation. Yeah, they've had to put in specific rules on what flag is going to be waved because, you know, a lot of Iranians in Los Angeles waved the previous flag, the Shah's flag, and they're like, we can't allow that into the World Cup because obviously there is what to not escalate things when you're already, it's already soccer. So there's already a high escalation of tension. The World Cup, obviously, a big deal for people outside of this country more than it is here. Now we're finally seeing that change a little bit. Ticket prices at least certainly say that. Phone lines are over here, Rick. Thanks for joining us today. We appreciate it. We don't have many lines open, but we will take a ton of calls in the next segment. And I want you to join us in this fight as well. Become an ACLJ champion today. Throw up that QR code. There you go. Game that QR code. Go to ACLJ.org slash champions. If not, become a ongoing supporter of the ACLJ. We would appreciate it right now. Again, phone lines are open. 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110 to be on the air. But if you feel so moved right now, great time to become a ACLJ supporter and make it monthly at ACLJ.org slash champions. Call us in comments when we get back. All right. Phone lines are pretty much full. There's one open. You can try. A lot of people will hold for a long time. I don't make sure we get to as many as we can. Talking a lot about Iran, the current war situation. Let's just kick it off. Let's go to Ann. Pennsylvania, go ahead, Ann. Hey, guys. It's always a pleasure and an honor to be on your amazing show. I want to quickly just make a couple of points. Is that okay? Absolutely. So for 47 years, we've had pure unadulterated abuses on the Iranian people. And presidents and the press have been affirming this and demanding action time and time again. Now, what Trump is saying in a nutshell when he insisted today, when he was questioned about Iran, either you abide by the peace treaty or not, or else. This is what he's saying bottom line. Trump also emphasized today that the regime has been changed, but now, if you will, a different animal to deal with is there. And to the doubters who love Trump. Here's what we have to learn. And I think this is, you made some good points. I want to jump in here so people kind of understand. This was a ceasefire. It wasn't a full treaty. So a ceasefire is an early step before you come up with some kind of treaty. The knowledge ceasefire is basically, we don't shoot on you. You don't shoot on us and our assets. They violated that. Iran violated that. And then through Hezbollah first, Israel didn't respond. But I would say, again, that is why I think President Trump's ex moment, or whatever you call it, was exactly on point for how it would be translated in Farsi, which is you've had the time. Now it's over. And it's going to be worse than you ever can imagine. Well, and before we get to another call, I do want to make a point what Anne was saying, how long this has been going on and how much the people have suffered under this authoritarian regime. When you look at what's popular movements in our country on college campuses and things, whenever there's some authoritarian regime that is going after their people mercilessly, normally you have like college campuses rising up. I think back when I was in college, even like the genocide in Sudan, and that's a worthy cause of when people are being wiped out, that people speak out about it. What you have not seen as a popular movement is that for Iran, even though it's been going on for 47 years. And you see even this year, 30,000 of their own people at least killed by the regime for speaking out against it. Why isn't it happening? I think, and this is a theory from me, why that is, is because the roots of the Iranian Revolution was Marxist. That's how they got the academics in Iran to turn on the Shah. It was from the Marxist movement that went there and was then co-opted by the theocratic death cult that is the Iranian regime. I want to try to get some more calls. Let me be a little bit more careful. Let's go to Karen in California on YouTube. Go ahead, Karen. Hi. Hey, go ahead. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me. So I'm from California and I am 100% Trump supporter. I've been a Trump supporter since 2016. And I know actually a lot more of us in California than people realize. Absolutely. And don't get me started on the whole governor race. That's fine. That's fine. Yeah, yeah, that's the total fraud. But Trump knows what he's doing. I have 100% faith in what Trump is doing. He has given them an ultimatum over and over. He's trying to work with them and they're not listening. They're not going to listen. They're not going to change. And it's going to get to the point, unfortunately, where we are going to have to take action against Iran. I think Karen, we're there. I mean, I don't want to cut you off. I think we've crossed that point. And someone who has spent significant time with President Trump and we weren't always talking about impeachment or Mueller and we talk about kind of the bigger things war. That first time is about, you know, kind of getting out of Kuwait, those kind of getting Afghanistan while also kind of promoting this piece that was just coming together under the first under 45 of these Gulf states. We're now seeing that alliance payoff, which I think is really key as well. But I go to where President Trump is. He is a tough talker, but he is always trying to prevent full scale war because he does care so deeply about the American people and the soldiers who volunteer to fight. So if there's a deal still to be had, he'd be making it right now as we speak so that we don't have to put more armed forces in harm's way. I think Lori online five has a very interesting kind of counterbalance to that as well, but also kind of agreement also about the people, the people in Iran. Go ahead, Lori. Hi, thanks for having me. I am a champion. I forgot to tell your screener and thank you guys for all you do. Thank you so much for being the champion. We appreciate it. All right. Well, look, I'm watching other news that you're not seeing on our news. Students are protesting in Iran. You've got paid soldiers eating potatoes. The immortal guards are in there. You are have some citizens that are armed and others that are making videos begging to be armed. I just think Trump is trying to take his time so that the system could collapse and that takes time. And also you've got a ton of infighting going on. We don't hear all of this, but it's falling apart and he's just trying to give it some time to let that happen is what I believe. Lori, I mean, I would maybe hope that that's a theory. It's a theory and not a bad one. Yeah. He's gotten down to the last level of rhetoric you can use to say how serious I am about doing this. He can't send out a message like that. And if Iran fires back sometime today or if they already have and not begin to carry out what he threatened in the post, because if he doesn't, then people are going to start saying that's bloviating. That we can ignore these and just go about our day, continue to attack US and Israeli resources near us. Well, and I think we should go to Matthew calling from Idaho. But also to that point, Jordan, it's that if people aren't familiar with this strategy from the president as far as and his leaders in the military and Pete Hegseth, it's because that's not the way that the United States has fought these conflicts over the past decades during our lifetime. And you know what hasn't been working too great the way it's been done in the past. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We can't keep doing it the same way we've always done it. Let's go to Matthew online too. You there, Matthew? We don't know. Quickly, we got like a minute left. Thank God for President Trump. Thank God the pilots are safe. I'm 100 behind our president. Iranians have little dog syndrome. They don't know when they've been beat. They don't tell the truth. The only thing that have integrity in is in dying. So maybe Trump will help them with that one. All right. In the same way, let's go to Ray real quick. I think his call will be a good one to wrap up. Ray, go ahead. Yeah, I'm just going to say that if we don't take care of this now, when I say take care of it, I mean taking out Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis. This has all been a waste, a waste of the last two months. There is no deal and there will be a deal. And the only deal that needs to be done is to take Iran out and just expose them for who they are. Blow up their capital, blow up whatever we need to blow up bridges, whatever it is. Well, and to that point, I think this is why the president. And the strategy and Pete Hexeth, it's so hard to pin down because he's not making you happy who wants it to go quicker. And then you have on the other side, Chris Murphy, who's saying the president's lost total control and his lost interest. I don't think that is true from Chris Murphy. And I think actually the strategy, it has only been two months. And this is a regime that's been entrenched for 47 years. I think we can afford a couple more months to see how this plays out with a little bit of a different tactic than we've seen before. All right. That's going to do it for today's show. We appreciate everyone who's joined us today and look, every new battle, the ACLJ has needs your support. And it's on the world stage, just like this show. We talk about things going on around the world, but we don't just talk about it. We are in court. We are taking action. We are supporting you, whether it's at the European Union, whether it's the United Nations, maybe it's the ACLJ Jerusalem, the European Center for Law and Justice. Of course, our offices here in America domestically at the ACLJ. And with that, become a champion today. If you can ACLJ.org, we'll talk to you tomorrow.