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This is exactly right. People who didn't do what John F. Quad wanted them to do, they usually disappeared. John of God was once Brazil's most famous spiritual healer. But in this limited series podcast, we uncover the darker truth behind his global empire of faith and fear. From exactly right and a thundermedia, this is Too Faced, John of God. Listen on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome to my favorite murder. That's Georgia Heart Starts, Karen Kilgara. And today we have two very impressive guests on the show. He is an immigration and criminal defense attorney who you might know from TikTok. She is a senior leader in the nonprofit world and a self-professed, frustrated writer, fledgling wedding efficient, and curly hair activist. Correct. And they're here. Serious. Let's talk about their brand new legal podcast, which debuts in mere days here on exactly right network. Please welcome all the way from New York City, the hosts of brief recess, Michael Foot and Melissa Mallbranch. Hi. Hi everyone. Hi. Hi everyone. Should we go? Should we go? They reveal the wig comes off just as we go. And here we go. Yeah. Hi. Thank you for having us. We're so excited to be here really. We're thrilled to have you. We're thrilled to have you. Thank you. And a time like this, I think we should go back to the ketamine conversation. Oh, yeah. We're just kidding. We've been calling her. Ketamine Karen, she's in the studio. She's on it right now. We're going to do the first live podcast. Ketamine Treatment. I actually grew up with horses. So it is a very apt conversation. It's a horse tranquilizer. That's right. That's right. Humans have appropriated it. Yeah. Like they do for everything. Right. That's true. Horse appropriation. We're a little bit to the white man in the room to be like, let's talk about appropriation. Let's talk about taking horse culture. Reappropriating it for my club, my circuit party for your club nights. Yeah. No, ketamine therapy is what I've been doing and it's incredible. It's helped with like deep anxiety. I think like I used to get really bad panic attacks and just sort of like shifted the way I sort of like perceive myself when I'm like experiencing anxiety. Do you get anxiety? You're always like the cool calm collective. So I will say that historically, I'd have not had anxiety, but Perry menopause. That bitch. Let me tell you something. And since, really, and since then, my anxiety is ridiculous. And it's about anything. It could be about anything, about nothing. Right. And I was actually going through my text messages looking for something and I found a thread between my cousin and I where I was saying to her that I had just come back from my gynecologist who said to me, I think you're in Perry menopause in 2017. I am still there. You're not on anything. Are you on anything? Oh, my God. Yes. Oh, my God. I got my ketamine. I'm on the ketamine patch. But I'm not on ketamine. Not on the ketamine. But I'm not on ketamine. And I feel like the anxiety is such that it can almost paralyze you. Yes. And I've been there. And I think for me, what was so surprising is that I didn't know what was happening to me. Right. So I just thought I was going crazy. Now, I remember when you and I were connecting a couple years ago, this was starting to happen. And you were like, I actually think I'm going insane. Yeah. Well, they didn't talk about it in 2017. It's just now that we're finding out the same explosion. And I remember, you know, I went to my mom and I was just like, did you have this? No. Yeah. Same. My mom never turns up. No. Totally fine. They just got hot every once in a while. Why? There's another thing I can tell you. Can we turn the arrow? I'm sorry. I was so hot. But interestingly, I remember when my mom, I didn't know what it was at the time. But I remember there was this period of time where I felt like my mother was going insane. Yes. And I remember saying that to my dad, I think something's wrong with mom. And he was like, like what? And I was like, I don't know. I'm a child. I wasn't, I was in my 20s. But like, she was acting so crazy. And she, in hindsight, I'm realizing was having panic attacks, was having anxiety. It's when her claustrophobia really sort of exploded. It's the clobby flashes. Like, you can't explain that to someone who won't get them, that it does feel like claustrophobia a little bit. Like you're just, you need to take off all of your clothes now. Yes. And you're angry about it. Yes. Like, I was like, very angry. No, I've been there. I'm not going through a menopause. But I'm angry and I've wanted to rip my clothes off. No, I can remember one day, like coming off of the subway, going into the office and feeling like I was going to die. I went into the ladies room. I took off all my clothes and pressed my back up against the stainless steel door. Oh, it's so good. Because the heat is coming from inside the house. Yeah. It's like what they say in a tie. It's like what they say in a tie. You just can't control it in any way. Nope. And it is a surprise. The thing that's driving me crazy is now on TikTok, the big thing where they're talking about, oh, and women's medicine. They've never done any research. Oh, the way ABC deals. Just so. Of course. So this idea that now in 2025, we're suddenly talking about menopause and menopause is a disgrace. It's insane. Yeah. Well, historically, they would just be like, oh, you're crazy. Yeah. That's what I was talking about. Yeah. I had read this thing where they were talking about, fuck them. But like burning witches at the stake and the women were usually like in their forties. Yeah. So, oh, my God. I mean, again, I don't. I don't know if it's, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that fits. But if that's right, it makes it like, okay, that's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I think about my mom too. And like, she had to get on, you know, antica presence and ant anxiety. Yeah. It was probably just hormones. Yeah. But they didn't check that. I'm Melissa called me one day and she was like, I honestly am so filled with rage. I think, I don't know if this is attorney-client confidentiality. I'm reaching right now. I don't know anything to explain, but I wanted to. Yeah. She was like, I actually am concerned about what I might do to someone. Yeah. Like, I am so angry. And like, I mean, I don't know if this is sort of related, but a little bit. So, a few months ago, do you remember this? A few months ago, I was getting off the subway. And I, I talked about the subway. Yeah. We talked about those on our podcast. I accidentally stepped on the back of someone's foot and I said, oh, excuse me. This man turned around and he kicked me. Wait. That's not even the worst part of it. I was like, okay, assault on the subway. I kicked him. Yeah. She, but like, that was a part of it that, like, you were wrong. You were wrong. But like, that is not who I am. I don't kick me, ball. But I kicked this man back and this other man behind me. He was like, no, no, no, no, I didn't kick him too. I just thought of the man behind me. Everyone was like, you need to turn around. I was like, very gently touched me in the back and was like, don't do this. And I'm like, he kicked me. Oh, what an angel that person. I know. Let's do escalate between us. I was so enraged and I feel like that has never been me before. No. And I don't know if Teraji Henson was on somebody's podcast and she said that she really feels that we are born with a certain amount of fucks to give. And by the time you get, yes. And by the time you get to your 50s, you are out of fucks. I am, yeah, I am a year's old. I am negative fucks. So keep your feet to yourself. If you're fucking future, so get a loser toe bitch. I'm willing to go down like it's me. Instant, instant violence. What kind of level of violence can you enact on someone who just kicked you without getting, uh, on their short law, you have a duty breach causation and harm. So you have a duty to behave a certain way in society. If there is a breach such as someone kicks you, then that duty's been breached. It has to be the causation. You have to cause someone's harm. So the harm is usually damages. So in this situation, there were, there were the harm sounds mostly emotional. Yes. Because what we ask her to say. So I would say that, um, it probably wouldn't have the sniff test for a court, a civil suit. And I think usually it's there's some sort of documented medical issue. Either way, with her, her side or that man's side, it depends on the state. So this was in New York. So it depends, contributory negligence. So if you were someone who contributed to the other person's harm and they harm to you as well, it kind of like cancels out in some cases. So it sometimes comes out in the wash, but, um, so what are her flat tire and then the kick wash? I, I, I, I need to know what tire is technically not. Right. And damages. And damages. I also apologize, right? Like it was just like I was like, no, that was, you were at zero. Yeah. That was a curable, yeah, we cured in the morning. The other thing I will say is that to be fair, neither one of us had any power behind the care. I feel like, I feel like the kick was symbolic. Because you're like school. I was like, I was a kid. I was like, I was a friend and I was school and I really didn't mean it. Like, so I didn't hurt her. I just came out. Yeah. He didn't hurt me and I didn't hurt him. I think I was just, I was so offended. Yeah. I was offended. Symbolic care. Yes. Well, also to go from, okay, a slight accident. Yes. Two. Okay, intentional harm. Yeah. Right. Violence. Violence. Violence. It's a violent situation. It's a New York city in the morning on a commute. It's happened to all of us. Yes. Yes. It's like, it should be over your special best. Yes. Yeah, get over it. But in these trying times. Yes. Are you seeing this? Is this a thing that's like an escalating thing where the normal interaction would have been no problem from that guy. Yes. But now everyone is under this insane stress. I will say I trust. Do you think this, I feel like we are still not okay from the pandemic. Yes. I'm just going to bring up Miss Pandemis. We just kind of walked out of it. She was like, yeah, we were like, okay, back to work, Divas. Like, we were in like, oh, we should all probably go to therapy. That is true. Yeah. I was just going to be really traumatizing, right? I mean, we were stuck inside the house and it felt like, and it's easy. I think to look back on and be like, okay, we made it out relatively. It's a time we're down, okay, right? But in the very beginning it felt like the zombie apocalypse was upon us. Yeah. We were very scary. Like pizza delivery was going to kill us. Like that's the thing we've done it. But we all thought we were going to die. We were wiping down cereal boxes. We were wiping down cereal boxes. Yes, cereal boxes. We were leaving the mail outside. And it didn't help that the commander in ship at the time, whatever, how you feel, in the very beginning did not take it seriously enough. Yes. And there are a lot of people that we thought we could trust to were saying, it's like getting a cold. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. Do we know the best writers? I know. Exactly. So I mean, we were watching Italy. We were like, oh, oh. And it was we were watching what was happening. The body's like stacked up in the rock. It was awful. In New York, there were choppers overhead. 20% was like living in like the city. The streets were empty. Private Ryan situation. And yes. The streets were so empty and it was bizarre. And I also think what's interesting, like you also saw that like wildlife came back around, right? Like a bird. The pizza rat took off. Yes, the water was cleaner because we were drinking from the East River. It was a beautiful time. It was a magical time, right? I've never seen out my front window. I have a beautiful view of the valley. And it was crystal clear. I could see so far that I was like, what is that? Nothing over there. I've never seen anything over there. I mean, it just shows you like we are the problem. I don't know where we are. We are the problem. Human beings are the problem. It's us. Whether it's on the subway or up where the view is. It's all of it too. We are the problem. It's true. Oh my god. How are you guys going to solve that problem on your podcast? Yes. So anyway, yes. We actually we have a 10 step plan. 10. 10. We can do it. 10 toes down kicking people on the subway. Yes. It's a whole plan. But yes, so we're excited about the show. I mean, we actually are approaching a lot of these issues on the podcast. I, for the people who maybe know me from the internet, maybe they don't. Everything I do, there has to be a, this is what you can do button on the end of it. I don't want any more doomscrolling. I don't want any more think pieces about fascism. It's not interesting to me. It is depressing speaking of ketamine. And it's just not something I'm interested in consuming anymore. And I just feel there's like this, I'm not a journalist, but I am like a citizen who has at least some knowledge of what folks can do to flex their democratic muscles to combat what's going on in this country. I do a lot of work with immigration advocacy. So I, a lot of what I do is like, okay, this is literally what you can do from your sofa right now. If this is pissing you off, if this is bothering you. We don't cover any fucking story. That doesn't have something at the end where it's like, this is what you can do if you didn't like this and you want to do something. Teaching moments. Teaching moments. And like not like a like didactic educational list sit down and eat your vegetables situation. It's like, no, we're going to talk to this congressman. And I think in the first episode we talked to a congressman. Yeah. And I'm like, dude, what is the literal to-do list of what you are doing to fix? It's overwhelming because very, especially on social media. It's like, no, that person was wrong. You have to do this. No, this person is wrong. You do that. And it's just, you don't know where to start. And I think the great thing is that because Michael is an attorney, he sort of understands the law. I am not though. So I feel like maybe I can represent like most people in the audience, right? So I'll ask him a question. Like, okay, that's great for you as an attorney to go in and help one person. What can I do? Yeah. What can I do? I think a lot of us are have grown weary of hearing this advice of like, well, right? You're a congressman? All right, sure, yes. That part is nuts Right? What is this the fucking Victorian light? You know, right, a letter to the next century, Rosh, the only word is, the answer to that question. And I put that in a letter as an extreme, yeah. What can I actually do, right? As somebody, as a layperson, somebody who has sort of average resources, right? And like, I don't have a huge social media presence, but what can I do? What are the conversations that I can have with people? And I think, you know, at the end, we're all looking for hope, right? But real hope, not like, airy fairy, you're doing it to me, like, I hate that. Like, well, you could just sort of like, I love my family very much, but like, I love a qualified family. No, no, you have to say it, right? But like, a lot of the times, and if you are, we're on, we have WhatsApp groups. And I think this is like a very sort of immigrant sort of situation, there's a family WhatsApp group. Melissa's family's from Haiti. From Haiti. And they are big prayers, right? They love to pray. They love a good saint. And I think what I get really frustrated at is like, you know, God isn't charged. That's great. Yeah. That's great if you are a believer, not everybody is, and that's also okay. But what can I do, right? We also have like non-deities in charge, too, who have responsibilities in the meantime. Because it seems like there's like kind of a disconnect, the internet connection isn't great between us, and like, you know, GOD. Right, right. And the meantime, I'll dial up as Giverbr. That's correct. What can we actually do? What is one thing that I can do, right? Like an individual thing? That's how I mean the podcast kind of came together, was because Melissa and I would sort of get together and we'd be like, what is going on? What can we do? And we would kind of talk about it, especially around the Black Lives Matter movement, we were sort of figuring out, like, and those were the dark days of the pandemic. Right, right. It was that first year. What can we do? How can we be safe? What can we do if we get arrested? What happens if something goes down at a protest? People were getting beaten in the streets. Totally. We have no reason. Right, right. So we were kind of looking at each other as just as dear friends, you know, each other. Right, like, what do we do? What do we do? How do we help? Yeah, so that was really like, when we came into this show, we were like, all right, that is the governing principle. That is our guiding light. Right. I love that because it's like, when two people who agree completely talk, it's like, now turn to us, and that's a podcast. That's the only way we can do that. Exactly. We can't just talk to each other. We can't just talk to each other. We can't just talk to each other. It makes me think though about, you know, the amazing No Kings protest, but then of course, like the two, three days later, where you start to hear on social media, it's like protest don't do anything. Right, just don't do anything. And it's like, just as a person who isn't, you know, I grew up in the 80s and 90s where political action was not cool. It was like, you don't talk about that. That's for those people that went to like, the student UN or whatever. And like everybody else needs to be rock and roll. And you're watching, you know, the fall of democracy kind of in front of you. Yes. And me seeing that where I'm like, that feels like a bad faith voice that's now in here when clearly that was powerful and huge. Yes. And then you see the ice raids and you see these people being taken and the rest of the community just coming right up and around and then they walk away. And I'm like, that's what it does. That's what it does. Exactly. That's the best part about it, right? And it's so fun. I mean, my husband and I, we go, we take the dog for a walk every night and we have like a debrief. We do like our daily sort of like debrief. Love it. Is it one of those dogs on your shirt? Jack, Jack is a bad dog. Jack is a bad dog. Jack is a bad dog. He's wanted in all 50 states, kind of a sexual offender, Megan's law, just pumping strangers and dogs in the store. Like he is a wild animal. He is a rescuer. He lives with two men for a reason because they can't handle any other situation. He's 13. I'm going to lose in his mind dementia. Yeah. Just watch your back. Did you have dementia? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's like, he's starting to sunset at night. He's just, oh my God. He's so good. But he's, I love him. Yeah, of course he is. I mean, he's even more adorable and endearing as he just becomes like this like crusty goblin. And it's just like wandering around the house late at night. Just like, I have a scene I'll cat and she screams. Mimi, Mimi. Just for how long does Mimi? She's like 16. Okay. And she's going through it. And people keep giving us cat mip toys, shaped in knives, like bloody knives and axes. So she carries a bloody knife around the house. I mean, I don't know. Sorry, this is not here or there. This is just a huge, huge, huge room. She's pitching you her new home. Oh, yeah. I'm so nervous. I know. The Iron Man being killed by a cat was so sad. Kind of be okay with that. That's actually, that's probably in final destination three. Yeah. Yeah, like the cat comes out and knows. Okay, you're walking your dog. We go on these walks and we sort of debrief like, and we were talking about the New Kings protest. And I was like, Brad, like, what did it do? Like, why is this important? And like, he's like much more emotionally stable than I am. And he was like, think about like the impression that made on everyone, not the president. Yeah. Everyone else in a elected position in government saw this outcry, saw all these people coming out. And when you're looking at that crowd as an elected official, who isn't in the White House? You're seeing the people who are going to vote or not vote. Correct. Correct. Yeah. That is the real power of something like that. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. What else does protesting do? Because I'm so dorky. But like, I really want to know, because I'm scared to go out and big crowds like that. And like, what's going to happen? Is it smart to, like, you know, get in the middle of an ice raid? Is it smart to, like, what should you do? Which do you see that? Yeah, that's a really good question. I asked that question too. But, you know, what do I do if ice comes into my neighborhood? What do I do if ice comes to my workplace? What can I do? I mean, there's a part of me that feels like, if they're in my neighborhood, I'm going to go out and just start yelling. Let me go. Immigration is here. Don't open your doors. Don't open your doors. Immigration. I feel safe doing that. ACLU currently has a lawsuit up against this administration against ice because they are arresting American citizens. And they're being held in detention centers, which is a clear violation of so many rights to general. Did you see that when they tried to? I'm from the Bronx. No, Brooklyn. The guy from Brooklyn. I'm from Brooklyn. I'm from Brooklyn. Oh, my God. This new, the New Yorker and me, just my heart just opened up. And he was just like, suck my dick. Oh, he was a little maize. The bad guy. That end the girl in the polka dot dress. He just goes, oh, my God. He's so crazy. With a double-middle finger, love, and heart. For me, I'm just like, I mean, I always think, know thyself, is like the governing principal. Everything I do, it's like, OK, I know I'm a white man. I'm usually in a suit and a tie. I'm usually at like an immigration court house. I am going to be the person who's in the middle. Right. That is how I need to like exercise that privilege. You can stand up. Yes, exactly. I get incredible privileges in life being a white man and a suit who has an education. I can walk right past security guards into any business building or business in New York City. Security doesn't follow me around stores. OK, I get all these like fun privileges when I get pulled over. Nothing weird happens. OK, what can I do to help those people who don't have those same privileges? So how can I intervene in that adversarial situation where someone's getting arrested? How can we? Like, how can people like us? Yeah, so thinking a lot about like, depending on the situation, like I can advise people to break the law because I'll lose my license. I do it. No. But I mean, definitely attending protests, definitely contacting. It depends on the situation too, right? I mean, there's this incredible image on TikTok of like a young girl and like a Pilates outfit with an iced coffee sitting down in front of a car that has migrants in it. It's just sitting in front of a car that's trying to drive away from people who've been detained. I think you figure out what your comfort level is, right? And then maybe, and as time goes by, maybe you push it a little bit, right? So, you know, I think I said this on our show, right? I was talking to somebody and I'm like, you know, if somebody says something in front of you, that is a clearly racist or xenophobic. And they think it's a joke. My favorite thing to do is to make that person feel uncomfortable, right? Oh my God, this is the Melissa does this. She's an absolute fucking really. Oh, tell her that I'm never so punny. So like somebody said, I'm just like, oh, wait, I don't understand. Like, turn it around to me. I don't understand why that's funny. The person will be like, well, because you know, you know, they're, you know, they're black or they're gay. And I'm like, I'm a whisperer. I'm like, I'm a whisperer. Can I be gay? And Melissa will be like, what? Sorry, I couldn't hear you. I don't understand. Just so I don't understand. Wait, so it's funny because of that. And then eventually, the person is just like frozen and they're just like, oh no. I mean, so you, so. Someone on one point was like, Melissa, because they're, you know, touching their hand, their skin. Melissa was like, try skin. I don't know. Yes, I don't like this. And then like blank, blank, blank, blank. Like when you're, and frankly, the audacity, right? Of somebody to come up to me, a black woman, and be like, because, and this person was not a black person or a person of color. And they were just like, because you know, what? Like, what are you saying? Yeah. I didn't feel like, again, I'm not somebody who kicks people, right? So I did not. I was wondering if it's a story about that. As her attorney, I'm going to have to put a halt to the question. But, but you are not somebody who is sort of naturally aggressive, right? Or you're not somebody who likes to sort of cause a scene. You do it in the space where you are, right? So I made this person explain to me what it was that they were trying to do. And then there is something, and I, maybe this is me just being petty, petty, but there is something that I find invigorating about watching the person deflate in that way. You are not allowed to do that in front of me. You know, there was somebody that I knew who they had asked a question about whether or not the person was Indian. And this person said, oh my god, yeah, I know what you're talking about. This person said, dot not feather. Oh, excuse me. We took great umber. Oh, and so again, what is it? The 90s? She's explaining. She's explaining to me what it is that you're trying to say here. And let people sit in that discomfort. I mean, that's what we do in court all the time, right? Uncomfortable until they are squarming. And hopefully without being preachy, right? If that's not who you are, hopefully you've turned that into some kind of a teachable moment, right? So like the same person, this person was deeply problematic. But you know, seriously, we were talking about getting Mexican for lunch and they said, oh, you're going to home depot. What? F fire. Which is like that. I'm going to go. It's just like no one. I think a lot of us have sometimes people like that in our lives who think that they could say things like that and that they can get away with it. If you are not somebody who is confrontational, there is a way to turn that into a teachable moment, right? That's kind of your podcast is going to be doing exactly the right to see you guys interview people who don't agree with you. Oh, yeah. And I very few people agree with that. I am actually really interested because of the rage, the rage problem that I have. Am I going to be able to like perfect timing for a podcast? Am I going to do what was the name of that woman from the house wise who threw up the table? Is that Leanne? Teresa. Teresa. I don't know. I don't want to know. No, I don't want to know. I don't know. Yeah, no. Yeah. The table we recorded at the I Heart Studios in New York, which is really fun. They do that. We asked our producer C.J. to bolt down the table just for reliability purposes, but I wasn't going to give you now. People who didn't do what John F. Guad wanted them to do, they usually disappeared. John of God was once Brazil's most famous spiritual healer. But in this limited series podcast, we uncover the darker truth behind his global empire of faith and fear. From exactly right and a Donde media, this is Too Faced, John of God. Listen on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How has that been? Because you guys just going in and doing your weekly video podcast? Is that like adjustment for you guys anyway? It is. And I can, it's really interesting is that I can see it, right? So when I, our first one, I think when I'm watching myself, listening to myself, I feel like I came across kind of wooden. Do you know what I mean? I was nervous. I was nervous. I was anxious. And I'm used to the conversations that I had with Michael being between Michael and I, not with cameras, not with people looking at us. But I've been able to see we've been doing a few, we've done quite a few of them. And I have gotten more comfortable, you know? Even though it doesn't really feel exactly like the conversations that Michael and I have when we were alone. But it does, I feel very safe with Michael. And I feel like that's coming across, right? Yes, it is. Like difficult conversations here. I mean, we're talking about abortion rights. We're talking about access to contraceptives. We have an opportunity. People have the opportunity to leave us a voice smell. We play it on the show. I love those. They're so good. I love those questions. People ask us all sorts of crazy stuff. I mean, we call it Tales from the DMs where we go into like the crazy things people DM me, which is like sometimes why? Absolutely insane. But I love it so much. I'm just like a mid-into a crime. That tick-tock, I've been made a tick-tock recently just showing. There was a couple of them, right? People saying like, his client was like, I totally did it. I did it. Oh my god. Oh my god. I'm writing. I'm so stupid dude. What the hell? In writing. Yeah. Have the DM ever been used as evidence in a court case? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So under the Fourth Amendment, anything you text or your phone records, you are technically sharing them with a third party and you don't have a right to privacy. So if you are texting someone, technically you're texting AT&T who then sends it to your friend. So you've already breached that expectation of confidentiality in the text message and therefore it's not protected under the Fourth Amendment. I remember being really young and hearing that those, remember that you start super market cards that they were like membership cards? Yes. For BJ's card. Yes, that they can subpoena that? Yes. Or blue my fucking mind. A guy found out that his wife was cheating on him from the easy pass. Yeah. He got the easy pass records of going back and forth to the things house. Yeah. Yeah, that'll do it. Yeah. That I represent it. Her and the divorce. And how is she doing? She's great. I got a little slurred shank. She got enough money to use that easy pass. Oh, great. And hire me. Good for her. I got a girl. You got this. Yeah. Round two. It's such a public world. I think that kind of information, especially for say a Gen X or something where it's like that was not the truth for my whole life until 26, 7, whatever. And now suddenly it's like, oh, you're on camera at the store. Oh, you're on camera right here. I took away Mo here. I took away Mo here. And I'm going through, I'm going down Montana Avenue. And someone is filming me in the way. No. Because they're like, look at this self-driving car go by. And I'm like, I've been documented at this place here. Yeah. And I'm going to go to the small men. I mean, aren't you as a fellow Gen X or I'm so glad that my life was not recorded. Yeah. Right? Everyone morning I wake up and I'm just a little bored. Thank you. You know what? Get it on camera right now. What was it? Yeah, cool. Do it straight to camera. I used to do a lot of fake talk shows where I was being interviewed by David Letterman that he was just an empty chair. Oh my God. I used to drive around talking back to Terry Gross. I would be like, oh, what was the question? I go, bloop, bloop, and I'm answer. I'd be like that. Girl, my girl, Terry, I'd be chatting with her. This is jeopardy. And you'd be like really trying to construct the perfect answer where you're like, Dave, the thing about me is that just, I feel like I'm a natural. I still do that. And I would do like my haunted NPR voice. You know, have everyone on NPR. Well, Terry, the thing about existing as a queer man in America is that we look at ourselves the way that we see the world. How does this reflection and a mirror back of what's happening in the world around us? That is actually perfect. That's a great, Terry Gross. That's very perfect. Terry, if you're watching Book Me, my intention is that's, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like my voice has never gone to that decibel in natural, in natural world. In natural world. That's a natural world. Such a bad person. That's a beta blocker voice. That is what I was also talking about. Oh, I love a good beta blocker. That has got me through this tour is take a beta blocker. Oh, I'm waiting for the hotel to like leave it on the pillow for me. I'm waiting for it. Like a mint. The mint's got by the wayside now that everyone's like paleo and not eating sugar. Right. I want a little propat and all on my pillow before that because it's not strange. It's just like calm you a little bit. And it's nice. It's not like a Xanax where you're like, it's not right there. Nope, you can take it in the middle of the day. Operate heavy machinery. I always do. I recommend you don't. I always do. I recommend you don't. Please don't. I feel like I need to investigate it. I just don't do racing thoughts in a way that's like, that Xanax does too, but you're fucked up. You know, and like it's depicted. Yeah. It's down to like music playing in the background in your brain. Exactly. Yeah. Which is just Sabrina Carpenter on a loop from the last fucking tour. Yes. I can't. I can't. I can't. Crazy. Actually, I actually, oh my god, the composer from exactly right. I don't know if he has a head out on me because I had him change the music to and I had him base it off Sabrina Carpenter. I don't know for a lot of service on the show, but I sent him a house tour and I was like, when you take the underlying like 90s theme from this, Melissa and I have a lot of 90s references. We have. You know, dunker. Even though he was even though he was a child. Even though I was. Yes. And I was out here making terrible decisions. I'm just a few. My name. No one. No name. Wait, how did you guys mean speaking of that? So yeah, Melissa and I have gotten to know each other through. We work together. We've known each other just for about a decade. Yeah. About a minute. I think we have a lot of people who are really chaotic villainous best friend who is sort of the group between us. She's my favorite. Alyssa and she is our best friend. Alyssa is the kind of person. She's our war. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Alyssa is, you know, the kind of friend that you have that is down for whatever. Alyssa, we're going to Croatia tomorrow. She's. Oh, she's not the airport in the country. Oh, yeah. She upgraded your seats. Oh, and she has the mile. Oh, nice. Like she is never home and we track her. We track her. We track her. Because we kept it. We have shared custody of this 37 year old woman. I know. Because I worry about it. I do too. I'm like, why aren't you at a casino? It's too late in the morning. I'm early away because my dog is pissing everywhere. I'm cleaning it up and I'm checking her location. Why are you at a casino? I mean, she's like, oh, I just got here. Wait, do you remember when her, she left her phone at Angel? Angel found it. I had a Yankees game and a guy named Angel and the Bronx found it. Yes, he did. And she was like, I'm going to go meet this guy Angel. I'm going to go meet my phone and I was like, you are not. What are you talking about? Absolutely not. We're going with you. You can't do that. I went with her. I went with her. I was like, you're paying for the Uber. I'm coming with you. I'm your security. And we went and got her. Oh, that is a good friend. It was more the paperwork alone. That's true. I'm not doing that paperwork. I'm not talking to her parents about this. I know. It is untenable. It's not going to happen. Could Alyssa ever make an appearance on the podcast? Do you see? Yeah. Okay, chaotic corner with the rest of us. Well, the problem is she would have to be there on time. She never minds. Yes. But I do think at some point she's going to get so mad. She does have major foam out. She does. She's going to kick down that fucking studio. And then I really have to have her fall in a chunky boot. What can she bring to the table? What can she help with? Do we think? What is she? What's her strength? Alyssa just brings herself. Like, be Alyssa energy. Everybody needs a phone like that. I went to a drag show with Alyssa. Last weekend in Brooklyn. And she... Let the record reflect. They never asked me to go to any of those things. Okay. Well, okay. We went at midnight. Okay. And I had a couple drinks of me. Alyssa is always out. So I texted her. I was like, maybe out of the show. I'm in the bar. And I can see her through the window 50 feet away. And I'm there for like 10 minutes watching her on her phone. And I'm like, what are you doing? So I called her because I'm like, I know you're on your phone. And I'm in here throwing down the phone. And I'm in here throwing dollar bills at a drag queen. And she's like, sorry, booking a flight. She was booking a flight at midnight, Jerome, on the street. On the street. It's all the time. Where should go? I don't think she did. And it was like, that is a computer activity. That's not a phone. We don't book lights from our phones. That's a laptop on the kitchen table. That's a desktop situation. It is. We're not doing this on our phones. She does. I'm too scared. I do it all the time. It's not flights, obviously. But like, can you use your phone for things like that in public? I. Yeah. I don't know. No, I don't think so. I've been. Yeah. Because you're putting your credit card information. Yeah. My credit card has been stolen all the time. Yes. I think they think I'm running game. Because it's like, it's always like 80, like $800 of Vapes and Queens. You thought of my credit card. Yes. And they go to the vape store like down. And it's like a 10-day old age fave shop. Yeah. And it's like a 10-day old age fave shop. Stock up what we have this credit card available. And I'm on the phone with the person from AMEX. And I'm like, I swear, I'm not vaping it. It's chromat. I've got it from it. I gave it up. It's not a vaping voice. This is my instrument. It's a hard smoker. Okay. This is American Spirits. It's a class to do American Spirits, obviously. Yeah. Thank you. Well, maybe it should be great at you guys could do, like, pick a side. Oh, yeah. That's really, yeah. 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It was like a big deal. I feel like in the 80s when I was growing up, a woman with a fur coat was a woman who had arrived. Right, status. Yes, so she passed away and she didn't have any children and the rest of my cousins all lived in sort of tropical places. So I was like, so it was either I take it or it ends up in a landfill somewhere. And I also, because I love estate sales so much, there was this woman who she wasn't publishing, she had died, she had the best clothes in the world. People who publishing have fears and are now in the right, yeah, I'm in the right, yeah. Up for the publishing and just straying. And I bought her fur coat and I love it so much. Yeah, but I get it that people feel. Melissa called me from the estate sale. I did. And I'm a friend people call when they're like about to maybe do something unethical. They're like, I just kind of want to like run the gut check past you because my ethics are a little gray. I would say, you know, I do represent people accused of violent crime sometimes. Yeah, I do a lot of work with immigration defense, but sometimes there are like a lot of crimes attached to it. I was just telling the two of you before we started rolling about my client who has maybe or maybe allegedly was caught with a bunch of heroin at the border. So we've a lot of things. I'm sort of the ethical gray area friend, which is like a really fun person. Melissa did call me and ask me. She did call me as if she did. There was some sort of pain that's kind of committed. Yeah, I was like, yeah, do it. Oh my, sorry. My eyes are dyed and my mom donated her first to the animal shelter. Oh my god. What? It's like a threat. It's like, ugh. But you know what though? I had, so a while ago when I got this coat, I posted it and I was just like, what do you think I should do? And a lot of people said that I should donated to an animal shelter. Yeah, for the puppies to like, snow go with when they're like, if they don't have their, yeah. I was like, yeah. I don't know. I felt weird, right? It's almost like giving chicken to a chicken. Yeah. Yeah. There's a butcher shop in New York. I lived there very quickly. I'm so worried where this is going. Yeah. And the picture outside is a little pig with a chef. I know what you're talking about. Yes, it's that. And I took pictures. The first week I lived there, I was like, what the fuck? I was going to win. Yeah. Yeah, what is that? You should just like come get our sausages. No, come get it. It's like, oh no. Did you know him? You're going to be right. Sweetie hot dog. The hot dog put in ketchup and mustard on himself. That is so hard. No, no, that is so hard. That is so fun. That is so fun. That is so fun. Yeah, yeah. We're excited. We're going to talk about fat discrimination on the next episode. I'm so excited because I was a former fat kid and I was treated viciously growing up. And you know, whatever your like body journey is, it's your own journey. And I had weight loss surgery about 11 years ago now. And I will tell you what's been really interesting about that journey is the world is not kind to fat people. Not at all. And I can't tell you, I could feel the difference in the way that I was treated even by strangers. Right? People would look you and the people would look me in the eye now. People would just sort of kinder to me. The one thing I will say that I wish was that there is a body positivity movement right now that I wish that I would have been part of because I think a part of what was wrong with me is that there was self-loathing. Yeah. And really feeling like I sort of didn't deserve to be treated better. Yes. Which I feel bad for the person who I was for that reason. Right? But it is amazing to see especially young women these days, not having any of this. No, but it's so great. I love that for them so much. And I'm sorry that I missed out on that moment. Because when I was like 17 years old or 20 years old or 30 years old, I needed it then. Yeah. And it felt like it would never change. I mean, that was the kind of thing where it's like we lived in a very Vogue magazine world, singular, the monoculture, cookies, right? Diocletal was so fucked up. So huge that it's like we would never have that conversation about shells and cheese versus mac and cheese because what a pig. What are you saying? Yes, exactly. That whole culture. And I think that's the upside of social media where it's like, everyone got on there and then a bunch of people were like, Hey, how about you don't say that? Yes. How about you adjust that position and what you think? Totally. And we're going to talk about discrimination lawsuits around fat people and how they're treated and things that have been litigated. So I think it'll be an interesting kind of like entree into that. But we always end up talking about our personal experiences with these things. Because it's so, I don't know. It's amazing. It hits home. For a lot of people, I don't know. For sure. Even if you didn't live that experience, you know someone or you had a family member who was always treated differently or you always heard like someone's side remark after. Yeah. But I love about this is like the legal side of things. I feel like I'm not part of that and I'm not there. Like I can't be part of that conversation because I don't know legal terms at all. But you quite, but I love that you guys make it pull up. Purchase your PTA. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you may it mean this conversation is very similar to the podcast. Yes. Yes. You go there, but you also like friends just kind of talk through things, discover things. Yeah. We were talking about like looted art and like stolen art and then the Louvre robbery hampers. Yeah. So we were like somebody got arrested. Did you see that? Yeah. So we're I mean, we're recording every week. It'll be a very topical episode. Yes. And we record a couple. It comes out a couple days after. So we will be covering headlines like what's really happening. And I'll dive into like the law behind it, but like I'm not a Supreme Court litigator. Like I am I am at the local court house with your drug dealer with the person who was drinking and driving like I am there with like the local public defenders and the local prosecutors. I this is not going to be like an esoteric legal podcast where we're pontificating on like the latest Supreme Court. No, but I mean, I think the point is to sort of like give some information and also make people laugh and make people sort of reckon like, oh, you know what? I'm going to think about that. And maybe I've heard this thing from Melissa Michaels podcast and I'm going to look and do a deeper dive. Yeah. Yeah. contextualize it. Like what do you do if you get pulled over? Okay, we're going to do this like twice once for white people once for black people. Yeah. So what the things that happen to the two of us when we get pulled over are very different. Yeah, very different. Yeah. And I've started giving legal advice in my practice to migrants based off of their appearance, based off how brown they may appear, which is it's always kind of been like that. I mean, criminal defense attorneys and immigration attorneys, we've always had to sort of think about like, okay, this client is from Sweden. It's going to be a little bit different. Maybe we do this thing a little bit differently or do something over here. But now it is quite explicit. It was always like inferred. And I think especially defense attorneys were always acutely aware of like racial injustice and the justice system. But now it is so explicit. The quiet parts being set out loud with your full chest. So it's been a really interesting time to start a podcast. Yeah. Because the first episode I was like, what the fuck are we going to cover? I mean, there's so many things. There's so many things. We've got too many things to talk about. Yeah, there's so many things. Yeah, so much. Yeah. But we'll be in the studio every week talking about it. And I always say I'm flying around New York City on my broomstick. I bike everywhere. I bike up and down, second avenue to the courthouse. And then I come after, after court wraps at like five o'clock, I fall right up on my bike on with a home. He does wear helmet. I do. Safety first. My dad taught me that. Nightfly up to the studio after trial wraps. Wow. Yeah. Should we do one more pick a side? Oh, yes. And then we'll do a pick a side for them. But it'll be all constitutional law. Yeah. We don't know. We told you we had a row sweating. Okay. Should I do one? Yeah. Okay. So that's what we're having about. Hello, I'm a family. Love you all. Recently, I had a disagreement with my fiance. At the time I was so sure I was in the right that I pulled my friends and family to find out, it was more of a divisive divisive divisive topic than I had. I don't know if it's divisive or divisive. Because I said one on TikTok and everyone fucking came from me. They were like, this disgusting man doesn't know how to pronounce it. They came from me. Well, they know I got. They know I got. Because people just started calling my phone after that. Oh my God. I don't know what happened. It could be that or the Swifties. I'm not sure. People are very paced. I'm not sure. They're very paced. So easily triggered. Everyone's divisive. Yeah. I don't know. I still don't know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I don't know what it's going to be both. I'm going to do both. Okay. So please add the slash. When you have a bath to you, shower afterwards. My view is that you do all that relaxing, that showering afterwards would just undo the relaxing. The bath also cleans you. That's how people have been cleaning themselves for centuries. My fiance says that you need to wash off the suds. For example, it was a bubble bath. What other people have said is that you are lying in your own dirt. That's what my husband says. That's what I think too. That's what I think. That's what I think. What I have realized in my information gathering is that most people who are British, where we live and where my family is, agree with me. But my fiance who is Polish and a lot of other my friends who are from other countries, they have another opinion. I haven't asked any Americans yet. Please help solve the different. Thank you, Lodian. I'm sorry. We're not taking any advice from England. I'm like, hi, Jean. I'm sorry to any British, diverse, diverse, diverse, diverse. All of us around the table have fierce teeth. We're looking like, oh, no, no, no. We're not going to England for any how we're going to. I've been there. I live there. It is why our first spawn England left two faucets hot and cold about a mile apart on the bottom sink. Why? I'm getting, I'm changing time zones to get warm water. This is absurd. Is that the war is over, guys? Get it together. That's the world for 300 years. This was that was absolutely. By force. Yeah. But anyway, so that, that was the first thing I heard. And the second thing I heard was for centuries, people who made bathing like this. I don't think it's been documented that they were bathing particularly well. No, no, no. They used to share the bath water. They used to share the bath water. They used to share the bath water. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. So, ew. That's it. Let's do the most updated version instead of looking back to our. What would they have wanted to do, probably get in the fucking shower? Yeah, right. I wish I could get this film off me. We're all post bath showers. I'm 100% not. We're not. I am 100% not. So after a bath, you just get out. You got later, deepers. Just clean in my cell. But you've been, no. No, I'm not dirty though. Like, my husband and he was like, what are you doing? I was like, why are you getting in the shower? Like, what a fucking wake up call after this relaxing thing. I mean, I'm not that dirty to begin with. To begin with, you're taking a bath. Like, I want it to tell you. Oh, no. Oh, no. No. I'm a jerk. I always just have a little bath to bring right there just a little rain. No. Are you, are we thinking that the bath is for cleaning or relaxing both? I think both. Okay. I think that sometimes the bath bombs are like so strongly scented. I worked at Lush in 2009 as a holiday hire before Alaska. I had to make money while I was studying for the L Sets. I had four jobs. I thought it was one thing. Wow. And my laundry smelled fucking wicked. After the end of the day, those bath bombs smell crazy. I mean, it's asking for a UTI. Not to fucking one. No, no, no. For sure. But as someone with very thick hair, I can't wash my hair in a bathtub. Oh, no, no. So, so your, my guess is like, yeah, from the bathtub. Maybe like a face mask. Okay. So that's nice. I mean, that's a very, a nice, some salt. I mean, some dry space skin out a little bit. Oh, yeah. But then I have to add something else. Like, yeah, I definitely feel like the bath, the bath for me is relaxing, not cleansing. But showers aren't, don't wake me up. Showers I'm like still going to sleep. The shower and the bathtub have to be separate. I will. Oh, you won't do a shower at all. No. Okay, Ms. Devas never lived in New York. No, no, no, no, no. We used to be the baths in the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've lived in apartments and I haven't taken, didn't take baths for two years. My neighbor fell in the tub. This is like, oh my god, this is my crazy, and I think I called him. Yes, he did. Because why would I call my husband? And I called Melissa. And this is, these are the friends we are when your cat died, you called me. And it's not her husband, Andre. Like, this is how, this is how, we should look at the weather. So best for us. Yeah, really were. Um, they were like, can you come help deadlift this 90 year old man out of the tub by me? Can they got me? And I'm like, you know, I'm there. Yeah. I'm like, I'm ready. And I go down hard cut to me trying to let this man out of the tub. It was. And I was like, it was he alive. I was like, he needs medical assistance. I mean, we have to call it. They didn't want him to go to a hospital. They were like, he might get an infection. Oh my god. And I was like, this is, this is beyond my capabilities. Yeah, yes. At this point, this is, as a neighbor. This is like, yes. Right, yes. And I went back 40 minutes go by. The police came. I'm talking to the police. We're doing a translator situation. I go back upstairs. My husband's still watching TV. He's like, where were you? I was like, sorry. Trieste. He's. He's. I can't. Check that. Where were you? Hope you enjoyed dancing with the stars. Watching TV. Yeah. The cha cha slide on dancing with the stars. What a fine drag downstairs covered in blood. Wait, but also like if you helped him and he got hurt from it, he could sue you. Right. And that was my thought as a naked octogenarian was laying over my shoulder, bleeding on me. I was like, this is a head trauma situation. This is really something that we need medical assistance. Beyond. It's beyond. Yeah. You got to know when it's beyond your career powers. Anyway, we moved. And I don't talk to my neighbors anymore. That means, I don't talk to, and I've lived there for years in my new apartment. And people come, they see me come off the elevator and it's. I don't want to be that guy who has to come pick your grandpa up out of the top. I can't do it. I feel like this could go on for. I don't want to stop it, but I think we have to. But we just need to tell you guys, we are so thrilled that you are on this network with us. So thrilled to have your voices to be able to hear what you have to say and to help guide in whatever way you guys do through friendship, through law, through life experience, whatever it is. We're just thrilled. So thank you so much. Thank you for having us. This is a wonderful opportunity. We're super excited. I can't wait to see what happens next. Yes, we're going to have a blast the show premieres on November 13th. That's right. We have all that info. And we're going to have so much fun. Get ready to laugh. I'm going to have a question. People don't need to call in their questions. I'm going to have to slide in the DMs. Because people are calling me just because I got doxed. They're just calling myself so before you're joking about that. Oh, yeah. They doxed you. Yeah, but I get doxed all the time. Okay. Okay. People throw my phone. It's actually not fine, but okay. But it happens all the time. If I say don't do it, they'll just do it. So it's like, yeah, you can't think like that. Please send in your questions because we really are answering them. Yeah, we are answering them. And like I say to all the time to everybody while Michael is a lawyer, he is not your lawyer. Yeah. But we really want you to write in and also keep your personal information personal. Oh, my God. Because people are out here giving up their social security. They're really, they're like, here's my credit card number. Please do it on the air. It's like people are sending the all. Yes, my name is John Smith. And I live at one, two, three things. Don't tell anyone where I'm located. But here's a cheer. I'm going to drop a pin. Yes. So wild. And I think that you also, because we get a lot of letters at the very bottom, they'll say, keep me anonymous. Put that at the top. Yeah. Put that at the top. Yeah. Yeah. Do it yourself. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 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