Ep 76: First Full Swap - Couple Swap Virginity Lost in Vegas

Find us at vanilla swingers.com and you'll find Kat's only fans page there too. You wish. Hey Kat. Yeah Leo. I'm going to record one of those silly disclaimers that you put at the beginning of the podcast. Real advisory sticker. Let's go because this is going to be explicit. Oh yeah we're going to talk about lots of sex. Lots of bad language. We might even have sex on the podcast. We might have. Listening to the noise of our love making. There might be nudity. But you can't see it on the podcast. Doesn't matter. You can hear it. You can hear the nudity. We might corrupt you if you're under the age of 18. That's the disclaimer. Don't listen. We're not professional. What else? And yeah we're not professionals. We know nothing. Absolutely nothing. And if you want to try to sue us? Well we don't have any money either. Because this is bite-size and commercial free. We're not trying to make any money. It's fun. So if you like it then tune in and listen. Subscribe. Word. Summer lovin had me a blast. Summer lovin happens fast. Met a girl crazy for me. Met a boy cute as can be. That reminds me that it's not summer anymore. And we are now deeply into fall. Yeah we're in another season. And it's been a summer of fun and a summer of love. Summer lovin. We are in Vegas again. Vegas baby. We went on a Scarlet Ranch tour and now we're on a little bit of a Vegas chapter again. We're in Vegas because it's apropos to our lifestyle journey. This is where it's always begun. And this is where we keep coming back every time that we've pushed a boundary. Every time we do like a really big first. Unintentionally we are in Vegas. Always been in Vegas. Yeah and it's not always been a big one. It's been in Vegas. Yeah and it's not on purpose. But that's foreshadow because we're not going to jump right into the boundary nudging we're talking about. I think that it highlights something that we've said many times before is that there's so much randomness and luck to your experience in the lifestyle. And sometimes you're damn unlucky. Absolutely. You can just like in Vegas you can go on a hot streak. Lucky lady tonight. And sometimes the house always wins in the end. And we've said it before that in your lifestyle journey if you could tell us one thing your future self to your past self. Basically the one thing that you wish you knew before you started which would be drum roll. That you're going to have as many low points as you do high points in your journey. Because you can't live on the high that is the lifestyle. Eventually you've got to return to baseline. If you're high where are you going to go from there. Yeah that's right you have only one way to go. It's called down the roller coaster. And all you could do is really hang on with both hands with a tight grip and don't let go. White knuckles. And it's important to share that side. I think we really want to present that to newbies out there just starting out. So that this isn't just a highlight reel where you only show your best stuff. You also want to show the warts and all. Absolutely. Because there are some absolute which works and we are pretty good at sharing them. But that's not what this podcast is about. This podcast is going to be sparkly rainbow butterflies shooting out your arse. This weekend definitely we felt the influence of our Swinger Guardian Angel. Stuart Scott. Boo yeah. What transpired over this weekend was magical. We are bristling with NRE. How about the fact that we're on our last night in Vegas a Sunday. We're sitting in our hotel room potting. And you were on the prowl today looking to see if you could squeeze in one more experience a la an MFM. I did for probably about an hour and a half. I was kind of on and off trying because it was a pretty good hour. You were napping because we were up all night. And we were up all night. Yeah we were up till at least 7 30. The sun was staring us in the face and that is when you know you've had a magical experience. It was very Vegas. We had a very Vegas weekend. And so I didn't really find what I was looking for. They weren't writing in a timely fashion. So Stuart Scott served you up a big fat nothing in the MFM department. And I think the reason for that was so that we could actually marinate in the new relationship energy that we have on this Sunday. That has nothing to do with an MFM that happened last night. But prior to last night let's go back up. So Leo and I realized the last time we went over in Vegas we weren't really on the prowl. We kind of got fixated on one thing that didn't come through. That was Bogota Boy because he never actually showed up in Vegas. So this go round we decided we have to stay in action on the prowl churning. And so we had a couple of different meet and greets with various people at the center bar. We also had a unicorn that was driving up from LA to meet us on one of the nights. We're going to call her Sandra D. I got chills, they're multiplying. Yes we are. Summer 11. We met her months ago and this was the first time we met to play. Yeah we met her at the plush party. I think it was at the same time you ran into your actor friend. He who shall not be named. She was trying to make out with him. I think he was going in the elevator. If you saw someone famous and you had the opportunity to kiss them, you would kiss them. That's base day. Yeah. And so we made this plan. She knew when we were coming to Vegas she said I love traveling. She'll meet us here. So she got a room here and we had an amazing time together. Yeah she's a great great energy. She's actually a three month ex-mormon. You're going to say that on the pod? Yes because it's fun. She's so innocent. You know we have a lot of Mormons that listen to the pod. We do. And I want them to know that we love our Mormons. We love you. We do because we actually have vanilla Mormon friends that we have not corrupted. Every one of them to a person. They're fantastic, lovely, lovely people. And so whether you're in the lifestyle or just vanilla, they're really nice people. We did not know this about her until after we played. And then we were like, oh it all makes sense. Just how kind you are. Interesting juxtaposition. Where we find that a lot. That people will come from a very devout religious background. And then they somehow find their way. They basically jump the shark and end up in the lifestyle. I think it's because you grow up so puritanical that it's almost like you're pushing the outer balance. You feel constrained. And then it has this slingshot effect where you feel like you've been shot out of a cannon and you just want to go crazy. And so you go so far which is the lifestyle. So I don't know what our excuse is because that's not quite how we grew up. But there's something sexy about it. There's something sexy about somebody who just a few months ago was doing something that you couldn't imagine doing this today. And so we hung out with her daytime and nighttime. We actually went for the first time to the topless pool Maria, which is at Mandalay Bay, which is like where all the swingers kind of unofficially hang out. What do you think about the Maria? We see on Cassidy all the time rendezvous, right? We're coming to Vegas. We're going to be at the Maria on Friday and Saturday. And we never really thought much of it. We decided to be a great thing to do with Sandra Dee. And it was a really, really great. I was impressed. We liked it so much. We actually went two days in a row Friday and Saturday. I get why people use the Maria as their regular hangout because it's an adult pool and you feel like it's totally apropos to Vegas. And I know you're like, oh, it's topless. Maybe that's not your gig. Only about a third of the girls, maybe less are going topless. I did not. I think about four or maybe. And it's pricey for chairs. It's like a hundred bucks per chair. You know we're cheapskates. We sat on the edge of the pool for free. Hey, buddy, no splashing. But the entry is super cheap. Ten bucks for me because I'm a girl or 20 bucks and he's like 30 bucks for a single male. The brief breakdown of it is it's a small pool. It's probably about 150 feet long by about 30 feet wide. And I think they've got like 20 umbrellas. They've got four covered cabanas or unpowered cabanas. Which are really expensive, like 500 bucks a pop. It's actually surge pricing. It's like it changes from day to day the cost of a cabana. It's a great set of people. It doesn't feel super clicky. You can definitely tell there's lifestyle folk. They just look like lifestyle folk. But there's also a lot of single guys, single ladies who are just there for the topional vibe. People will strike up a conversation with you. We had people just unsolicited come up to us. Well, they were hitting on us. Well, that's true. They were actually hitting on Leo to go and give attention to his wife multiple times. Yeah, that might happen. So yeah, so we really enjoyed the Maria. It is definitely worth going if you go to Vegas. So the first time at Maria, we went with Sandra Dee. And she went topless. She looked fantastic. She had some pasties on there. And it was OK for her to be kissing on me at the pool, kissing on Leo. Like it's that kind of pool where that vibe is OK. Yeah, PDA is fully encouraged and endorsed. We took full advantage of that. Yum. And then the second day we met another friend of ours. She's a flight attendant. We've been playing the long game with her. Want to get away? Ironically, we met her on Reddit of all places. And it was one of those things where you don't meet unicorns on Reddit. She was there, but we exchanged instas. And as soon as we exchanged instas, we both knew we were both real. This was in Denver the first time. And it was the last day we were on our way out to catch a plane. And we had a meet up at Starbucks. And we chatted for like an hour and a half. We hit it off, but our schedules have never aligned. And I swear this was like in February. How long ago was that? I think it was February. I think it's been six months. And so we already have planned she's going to be our plus one at the Scarlet Ranch Halloween Ball. We have coordinated outfits, very excited. But then she's randomly in Vegas the same week and we're here. And so she's our flight attendant unicorn. Want to get away? Want to get away? Oh my God. And she is super hot. Yeah, she embodies the flight attendant fantasy. We got to have more PDA with her at the pool. Oh my God. That was really hot. That was the first time we'd kissed. Yeah, I think we created a bit of a stir. And like I told her, we need to see if we have chemistry, you know, because we have never played. We're just friends. I see a whole lot of two girls making out at the Maria. I think we caused a little bit of a stir. I think we did. That's probably why that guy kept sidling up to say, can you give my wife some attention? Because you got these two ladies here. So back to Sandra D. We spent the evening with her. We took her to a tiki restaurant for some drinks. We had so much fun. We didn't really know her that well. We got to know her and we have a lot in common. Super easy energy. Fun to hang out with. And we she's super cute. Hung out and played until the wee hours of the night. And so we come to the, the reason why we're in Vegas in October in the first place, we have some listener fans. Hotty Hozier's. They got a friend to the north. They've been in my phone since January and she's my lifestyle bestie. She's my spicy diary. She's my ride. Rockstar. Yeah. And so they have had this biggest trip with vanilla friends, planned for like a year. She keeps mentioning it. And so I decided a couple months ago, fuck it. Let's go ahead and just go and meet them in person. But let's break it down because it's more complex than that. You know that we're practically allergic to the idea. Of couples. Of couples. Now we're allergic to couples, but she's my lifestyle bestie. She's literally my ride or die. If I'm having an MFM, I'm going to text her and say, oh my God, I'm so nervous. I take a picture of myself. Here's what I look like. This was a buildup, an incubation over nine months that was going to culminate in meeting them in real life. And it was really spur of the moment. Like they weren't inviting us to go to Vegas. We just said, you know what? Let's go to Vegas the same time they're there. But we knew that the notion of playing was on the table. It was almost felt like a foregone conclusion. Well, then she asked leading up to it. You want to hear all my fantasies. And I thought it's probably better to hear all your fantasies because we're not sure what to do with this. But that's when the shit got real. Oh my God, the fantasies. This is a couple who's only been to like one club ever and they've never even touched strange. Not even cross touch at all. No, not even on the arm. So you're talking newbie as newbie gets. And so we thought, well, maybe you're super newbie. However, when the fantasies started unveiling themselves, we were like, oh my God, OK. And she asked, what are your fantasies? And I said, I don't know what we're going to do with you. And I think we've come to understand that because we're so tentative about the couple aspect of our lifestyle journey thus far, that the way to get to us is sort of a buildup of trust that happens over time. Newbie energy. And we feel like we're such good friends by the time it comes to the moment. We have a certain trust built up that we can let our guard down. So they are the Hottie Hozers, but we're going to rebrand them. Yeah. Because she's Tinkerbell. She walks through life with a sparkly trail. She's like the human form of a sparkle. She is running through Vegas. OK, like with neon green and pink on. Hi, welcome to Vegas. Walking through people. And it was hilarious because she would purposely walk right between the groups of people. Couples that were holding hands. She'd make them break their link. And she's adorable. Side eye that she would get. It really was more a testament to them that they were just kind of a little boring. She'd be like, you guys are so boring. This is Vegas. And that really encapsulated her personality. She's like the walking form of tearing the fabric of reality. She's like a boat in the water that leaves a wake behind. Such a breath of fresh air. We saw this via all the insta to see it in real life was absolutely just mind boggling. And I call him like Captain Hook. Pick up Tinkerbell and bring her to me. Except Captain Hook was kind of a villain. So we'll call him El Capitan. The most interesting man in the world. Stay thirsty, my friends. And he just stands behind her. Chill, not embarrassed in it. The slightest like whatever you do what you want to do. This is my wife. He's a chill motherfucker. He is a chill motherfucker. We enjoyed their company immensely. We scheduled them in for a Saturday, really not knowing what we were going to culminate in. But the truth of the matter is the lead up to it, the amount of times that we almost pulled the plug. We almost canceled the trip 10 days before we were supposed to arrive. Because we thought maybe if we just don't meet them, I'll keep it as my bestie energy. I don't want to mess that up by meeting and we don't know what we're going to do play wise. It almost felt like we were being led to the gallows. Even from the gallows. It was inevitable. And I think the amount of times we almost pulled the plug, we got cold feet like five times. We'll just say if we had pulled the plug. We would have missed a very magical experience. I met like my twin in life. She's like my best friend of all best friends and it's lifestyle. But oh my gosh, to not have met her in person would have been a travesty. I think she's almost when we call her tinkerbells. She's almost like a character that's on the page. And she's now come off of the page and she was everything and more when she actually was in person, which is amazing because people just aren't like that. No, they're not. You see them virtually and she sent photos and video all the time. But do you really live up to that in real life? Yes. So I think they're almost like our bestie couple friends. They are because we never met the husband. We really seldom even talk. We don't do group chats or anything like that. But he is so easy to hang out with and affable and friendly and smiley. So are we talking about our first full swap? Say what? With a couple. Yes. Shut your mouth. And it was unexpected. I did not plan it. I actually said I don't know. I'm so new at this. It's a funny thing that if you wanted to cheat code about how to get into our bedroom, get into our pants, it would almost be the kind of thing. First of all, we love newbie couples because we're still newbies at heart and we like to go slow. We like that fumbly energy to let it unfold organically. We don't like the feeling of inevitability or expectations or what are your boundaries? What is this? Basically what culminated is very organic. We lost our couple virginity to a couple of virgins. So you've never done it. That's really the best way to sum it up is the way we viewed it was almost like a sacred as virginity. And I think that we always felt like we want the other couple on the other side to take it with the gravity that we feel it has. We don't want somebody to just think of it as another notch in their bed. And truly when we did episode 69 and we said, oh, we're full swap, we really weren't full swap. Full swap threesome are very different than couple swaps. Just like doing gerrymandering like a DP or DVP. We have realized that that is so much different than going full swap, even in like an MFM or an MFF. Yes, I know you might snicker, cat, your soft swapping, you're doing some DP when it's way different. Yeah. When that guy is alone with me and Leo's Cox, not a part of it, that hits really different. And so I'm here to tell you that counts in my book is fairly soft still. Yeah. When a guy is on your girl in missionary position and there's not quite a place for you to embagal yourself back in, it definitely is different. And so we didn't realize that at the time. We're like, well, we're soft ish. I know we're gerrymandering, but now that we've gone full board the other way, it's really different. I think we shared an electric kiss between the two of us while we were inside and they were inside of us. Wait a minute. We were coidly connected to other people and Leo and I cross-kissed. We did the most amazing. Okay. So we should back it up just a little bit. Again, the plan was really not we're going to go full swap at all. I actually told her in the bathroom, I said, I don't know how comfortable I feel. I'm still, I've gone full swap with one person, Rusky, two months ago. I don't know how I feel about this. And that's what I said at the moment. I think because of our dynamic, which is complicated as all get out when it comes to the MFFs, I've been doing it for maybe 11 months. He's a man whore. Thanks for that. I appreciate that. And cat has done exactly one. I'm a little mis innocent and it's become such an albatross. Okay. Because it's been two months now, every single single guy that comes along, you're like, I don't know if that's really where I want to go with this. Yeah, you feel like your standards are getting higher because it now includes the option of a full swap on the table. Now, if you want to be extra, extra good quality, if a good one had come along two weeks after Rusky, we would have been kind of rolling in that NRE. But we're so far down the line two months out, you're like, I think we've rolled it back to where I'm back to soft swap. I mean, it really felt that nebulous. But because of our unusual dynamic where I've had an 11 month head start on you, you're like sprinting. I think that when we entered the couple swap, I'm the tortoise. It almost felt like on my end, if it was full, you'd be fine with that. Because I'm used to that. I'm okay with that. Everything was on the table with Sandra D. We had spaghetti sex with her and it was lovely. And on your end that you wanted to be able to reserve the right to start off soft with the option of going full, but that they would know ahead of time that that was your feeling and that that would be enough for them. And that's really where the newbie energy comes in because they were so new at it. They were just happy with whatever, even though I knew the ideal full swap was on the table. But I appreciated that they were happy with us setting the lead and kind of going at our speed. And I think we have control issues. We have trust issues. And oftentimes when you're in the bedroom with another couple, I think that they're playing as a team. Sometimes, you know, both sides are playing as a team and each side wrestles for the steering wheel a bit. And so we're so tentative about doing that. And by you even just talking about this whole couple swap, I mean, this was only like whatever, however many episodes ago, talking about soft to full. And we said, I could probably see a couple swap happening in the future. I didn't mean it this soon. This really shocked me. We were in the middle of just having some light play. It was really sexy. And at one point I whispered to Leo, I think I'd like to do that. And he asked, are you sure? And I said, yeah, I'm sure to describe the experience. It was a magical fucking experience. And it was an odyssey. I think it went on from. I think we got to the bedroom. Maybe around 7 a.m. We got to the bedroom around midnight and yeah, they stayed all night and we didn't want the night to end. Yeah, it was a magic carpet ride. I even said at one point, I could see you guys being like a repeat couple, like one of those couples where you see them all the time. But the irony is, is at the same time at the end, we realized that the couples are still going to be an infrequent dynamic for us. They are because in our journey of two years, we go to a lot of events. We meet a lot of people. So there's hundreds of couples we've come in contact with. The amount of landmines that we have on the way to our welcome mat, I can't believe that the Haudyosa's got through all those landmines. They got a lot of landmines. They got through the final boss. Finish him. So let's see the blueprint, how they arrived. You basically started out talking with her over the course of nine months. And she just stayed in my phone, just continual. She said all the right things and always respected boundaries. As soon as I would say, I'm not sure about that. Oh, you take the lead where the boundaries are with you. I think the husbands are always the wild card and he just sort of sat in the background. And he did. He said that. Or maybe she said it. She said as cool as the other side of the pillow. Both sides of his pillow are connected. Both sides of his pillow are cool. I think he said, I know I was the wild card. He wouldn't be afraid to show his feminine side if he had one. Because we didn't know him. We really had never even talked into his personality. He is the life of parties he has never attended. And apparently Tinkerbell told him, don't fuck this up for me. To which apparently he didn't because he is the most interesting man in the world. We had a magical, magical carpet ride of a night. And then they knew our dynamic, which was that one of us was far along in our full swap journey than the other. And they respected that. And they weren't far along at all. And I think that them coming in as such newbies, that it felt like they would just hand the steering wheel over to us and trust us to take good care. And I think we did well by them. And they took good care of us. I think honestly not have wanted to lose our couple virginity to anyone but Tinkerbell and El Capitan. I'm really happy. We are bristling with NRE. I didn't get the MFM I wanted, although we had some MFM moments when Tinkerbell would go out to the bathroom. We realized we'd like to do that more. How cool was that that in the course of a foursome, you had these pockets of threesomes taking place. Like she had a bit of an MFM with the two guys when I went off to the bathroom and I came out and watched. It was like, oh, that's really hot. I actually got to unicorn for it. Tinkerbell took her sparkles into the bathroom and we found ourselves in the bedroom, just three of us. And I realized, oh, let's take advantage of this opportunity. Let's get Rose Kat. Let's give Kat some extra male attention. And that's exactly what we did. And then I did get to play unicorn for a bit with both of them and they were all over me while Leo was off in the bathroom. Yeah, that was an unusual dynamic. It's one that I didn't think that I would care for. And I didn't enjoy it as much because I worried a little bit. Oh gosh, he's not going to like this. But in hindsight, I realized that with a couple that I trust and we have a very bestie friendship with, that to see them with you, and it only went on for maybe a minute, I realized that Kat's getting the attention of two people that just adore her. So it should have lasted for more than a minute. So next time round to five to 10 minutes, right? That's some kitty cat attention. Yeah, man. She deserves it. She deserves the adulation because, you know, you deserve it. You deserve it. And so I watched that, that they weren't just attending to you. They were adoring you. As I was adoring them. Yeah. It was a really magical night. And I think it was life changing for us. Like after the fact, in the morning, we just couldn't stop talking about it. And I think part of what was life changing for me, I know that sounds so dramatic, but it really was. Yeah, you sounded dramatic, Kat. I had a moment where I started out in the lifestyle thinking if we go full swap, if we do penetration, it's cheating. It's cheating. I had a real hard time ever getting past that. And I have now discovered that, I mean, we had, we had couple sex. We keep saying, we swapped partners. Another couple. Oh my God. And now I realize that sex, it's all about different flavors. You can go missionary for 20 years and then, oh my God, I discovered anal. We are discovering another flavor and that is a foursome. I think that this is the 69th flavor. And we really liked it. Like I know what I don't like anytime. He and Tinkerbell were on a bed separate. I'd say, El Capitan, we got to go to that bed with them. I wanted to be together. That if you're starting out with a full swap, same bed, do it on the same bed. And we had two beds. So it wasn't like, oh, of course you're going to be on the same bed. We had two beds. And sometimes it would seem organic that we'd end up on separate beds and we'd still move onto a single bed. One of the most magical moments for us, they were both the men were coidally attached to the opposite partner and Leo and I reached over and passionately kissed each other. You could actually feel the electricity. Yeah, it was zinging through our lips. We had some other moments that were funny where the two of us would be laying on our back and we would just tell them, why don't you fuck us? Oh my God, and then Leo and I, it was almost like we were holding hands. We're on our backs and we're looking at each other. We're like, what the fuck are we doing? This is so hot. But a newbie couple, not some veteran swinger. A newbie couple that put their trust in our hands. In fact, Leo was apparently the second person ever to be with Tinkerbell besides her husband. That's hot. So right now they are absolutely engulfed in the flames of new relationship energy. I know they are. She's been texting me all day long and oh my God, she's just so adorable. She sent us videos of the night. She went to go change her outfit. We're waiting downstairs and apparently she took a whole video of herself talking to us in the mirror in our room. You ever heard that girl who's had like an only fans and she was auctioning off her virginity for like a million bucks? I never heard of that. Did she actually do it? I think so. Someone paid a million dollars? Yeah. How did they know that she was actually a virgin? How did somebody pay a million dollars? Because the innocence is something valuable. I feel like in the same vein, I love that our virginity of swapping with a couple is now received on the other side. He's won a million dollars. That couple that they're engulfed in the new relationship energy of this. Because I don't think we thought that way going into it because we're like we're really experienced, right? We've been doing this, you know, for two years in various forms. They're such newbies. But we realize at the end of the day, we just had our first couple swap with a couple who just had their first couple swap. It couldn't have been more magical. And in life, tell me how many times is losing your virginity doing a first of something in your life where it's just magical? It was fucking magical. So magical that it's our last night in Vegas and we're not even trying to play. We even had a unicorn hot wife or teacher. Text us indicating she'd love to get together again. Tonight, right? And we decided we just want to bask in the new relationship energy, right? Tonight, just the two of us. I think it was Stuart Scott, but also it was just ourselves as well. Apparently we're their fairy god swingers. So maybe it was us. We're some god swingers that we were just going to take the time to marinate in this new relationship energy. Bask in it. Bask in it. And the more we bask in it, the more we like are reveling in it even more. We were already bristling with new relationship energy when they left at, I think it was like 5 30 in the morning. And when it percolated, it is intense. You know, aside from them being a beautiful couple, they also were the perfect couple. For the first time. Absolutely. They had that couple energy, the relationship. It's something that hits differently playing with singles as we usually do and then playing with a couple who's in a long time committed relationship. We're two couples in long time committed relationships showing our vulnerability. Yeah, you're taking the love of two people and it's colliding with the love of two other people and we're intermingling. But even beyond that, it felt like the experience because we keep describing it as magical. It's almost reminds me of that movie with Ethan Hawke, Julie Delpy. Before sunrise. Was it before sunrise? Yeah, I think it's before sunrise. After sunset. I think after sunset is a sequel. And so if we do have a sequel and if we don't, that's okay too because it was an amazing one off and it really has set ourselves on a new chapter that, you know, doesn't mean we're going down that path, but it's opened my eyes to the possibilities and just what we're doing. It has kind of turned the whole lifestyle into let's embrace a new flavor of sexuality. But if it doesn't happen that moment that day will be frozen in time like amber as a one off. It'll be perfect. You know, I thought when we were on episode 69, that was the big we went soft to full. Hold up. Wait a minute. Something right. That is not the case. A couple swap is so much different than what we had done prior to. You know, in your lifestyle journey, you can only have a first time once the first kiss, a first blowjob, a first full swap. And I don't want to spend too much time just talking about them, that they're a beautiful couple and sort of physical. It's more, this is the magic of the moment that we get to. I don't think we realize the NRE that would hit of doing a first time full swap with a couple. I don't think we realized that this was so different than anything we done before. And it was a first for us. I just thought, oh, we've already done a full one way or the other completely different animal. And that's why we're going to spend the rest of today just walking through Vegas, swimming in NRE. Yeah. Just enjoy the magical moment. Just the two of us. Enjoy your first. Lots of reclamation sex. Because your first will never come again. This is a moment and we're just going to enjoy it. I would say another newbie pro tip would be when it comes time to do a full swap, full swap with another newbie couple. That way on the other side, they're feeling the same. And you're not dealing with maybe a DTF couple who they're just putting a notch on their belt. Yeah, they're just chucking another something really wonderful. In the bed of the truck on the day following. We're texting all day. Oh my God. This and that. Oh my God. This and that. They're telling me what they think of it. They're telling me that there's no Japanese boundaries. Oh my God. They're expanding the new relationship energy because what they're doing is they're after care. And they are after carrying us. And I suppose we're after carrying them. And we're after carrying them. Oh, and then we exchange underwear. So I gave them a pair of my underwear. I was actually giving it to El Capitan. And then she's like, I want to wear it. So I put it on her. Yeah. You've never done that before. I've never given my underwear to anyone before. And she then flew all the way back to Canada today. Wearing it. And she showed me a video when she got home modeling in my underwear. He said, I loved wearing your underwear all day. And every time I went to the bathroom, I got a smile seeing your underwear. I thought it was interesting at one point that they said, listening to us for nine months, that sometimes they would have sex play. Oh, God. And they were saying things like, are you fucking cat right now? No, I can't even imagine. It must be sky high. What kind of mind fart must have that been? To be like, yeah, now I'm fucking cat. And now you're gonna go back and you're gonna have that same sex play. But now you know what it's like to be like that. It's gonna hit differently. Hopefully it was good. One of the facts is she recorded a couple of videos where she went back up to our room and she's in the rave room with our music playing. The music's always playing and we're just downstairs waiting for her in the casino. Our black light tapestries all over the room. And she's like, oh my God, we are gonna have so much fun tonight. I'm in Cat and Leo's room. And we replayed that today. We didn't see it. She sent it after the fact during our aftercare texting. But that was before we'd actually got into the sexy part. We also exchanged other clothes. I gave her a schoolgirl outfit that I had brought for her to wear. She gave me this beautiful white dress that she wore last night. She's like, I want you to have it. We have their key card to their room. Which we never did go to. They really wanted us to see their room but it was too far of a walk. We got a lot of mementos to put in the room. We have so many mementos. And we cannot wait to see them again. It sort of felt a little bit like Wisconsin. Wisconsin! Wisconsin in the house. We're being swapped lanyards at the end. You guys had that great newbie energy as well. And I am for the newbie energy. I love it. We're still newbies. We're not as newbie as some of these people but that also helps us live vicariously because it's almost like you are sharing in their newbie hood. And I'm all for it. Yeah, we still have the newbie spirit. And I know a lot of veteran swingers. One of the rules that they have is don't play with newbies because there's newbie drama. And I think we had a moment right before it was go time. We thought there was a little bit of drama. We weren't sure. And then we thought, what do we even know about this couple? We know her very well. We don't really know the husband at all. And we were wrong. We asked. I actually told you, we're about to either learn something. It's gonna either be magical or we're going to have a learning experience. We're gonna step in a pothole. And then we're gonna realize why veteran swingers say, don't play with newbie couples, newbie drama. And it turned out to be a complete fallacy. But that's some bullshit. Because when it comes to the newbies, I'm just universally, to me, I love that. And the fact that they jumped in to a full swap, they've never even kissed another person. I was like the first kiss for him. She'd never kissed a girl before. And we decided to do our first girl kiss because we were kind of holding back. We wanted to make sure both the husbands were there. We did it on the dance floor. Yeah, that was hot. In the middle of everybody. It was absolutely magical. I heard people pat me on the back and saying congratulations. Like I just won something. And do you know that you took video of that? I've got a video of our first kiss. Oh, that's hot. And then that was when I first kissed him. It was just pure magic. We were doing some swingers shit out on the dance floor. We were doing some p.d.a. We like to do that when we're not in our hometown. Did we tell you that we received our first hate mail? You suck! It was based on episode 69. We had, except for one, an outpouring of support where people said, we appreciated you being so raw, so vulnerable. We love you guys for being a ride along to our journey. And we thank you because we really worried people would be disappointed. We were the soft swap couple. I know we were. That was our intention. Yeah, with that said, I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge this person that said they were disappointed. They said, you said you were going to be soft forever. And they basically said it will be hard to listen to you going forward. And they said, our favorite podcasters, we appreciate you for saying so. We respectfully appreciate your opinion, but we have to be honest and in response to that, it's just that I didn't expect that this is where we would end up. But I do want to acknowledge that I can appreciate that some people out there are going to feel that way. And I don't want to discount how you feel. It's just that at the end of the day, this is our lifestyle journey. It's imperfect. It's messy. It's perfectly imperfect, actually. And in fact, we told Tinkerbell last night because she has all these thoughts of what could have been done differently. And I said it was perfectly imperfect. Yeah, don't let perfect be the enemy of good and not. And we told her we would not have changed a single thing. It was perfection in its imperfect state. And earlier in our journey, the things that we say are the things we felt at the time. And we're trying to give you a ride along that eventually you do evolve. And when we got to episode 69 and we said, we went full. He had penetrative sex with the unicorn. I had penetrative sex with a single male. It was not the same as couple swap. This is something entirely different. We are now a full swap couple selectively. And it's a different animal. Based. And I am so for it. I really, really liked it. You said that afterwards. I think you were surprised. And it surprised me. You said, I really enjoyed it. Like if I could have couple swaps with a four way connection that we find. Oh my God, it's magical. Yeah, like you just discovered some kind of cheat code. And I thought I liked the power of three above everything. Damn, that power of four was next level. I think one of the things that you said was, you feel like you get more of a full-bodied experience because I'm distracted. What the segment? Well, I'd already thought about that. I thought about that when you suggested turning a threesome into a foursome. We never did it. We're talking about with single people. We were going to do it with Pussy Galore. Pussy Galore. And Shy Guy. Clearly they don't have a relationship. They probably wouldn't even really be doing anything with each other. And I did kind of think to myself, it was a cheat code for me to get more Shy Guy's attention without Leo kind of saying, hey, what you doing? I'm not big on the idea. And the reason is, is because deep down, we're not that ENM. Deep down, we have very monogamish tendencies. We just had sex with another couple. When I really like something. I think we're in the lifestyle, honey. I don't want to share. I know, that's crazy, right? When you have a threesome, you don't really want to bring that fourth in because you're like, I like Pussy Galore all by herself. Yeah, I don't really like the idea. In fact, the two of us are in sort of a don't ask, don't tell situation. Right, because when you're playing with play partners, your play partners can get jealous of the ENM people you're messing around with. And I think that is the case with her. We don't really love hearing about all the people, the couple she's playing with. And she doesn't really love hearing about, especially like the single females we're playing with. I don't mind that she says she feels a little bit jealous because to me, it just feels like that means they care. And if I don't care, then I probably don't mind sharing. And Tinkerbell and El Capitan, they said, and I just want you to know that even though we've shared this amazing experience together, like you don't belong to us, we don't belong to you. Although then I think she said scratch that, we do. Yeah, we'll forever be connected. We'll forever be entwined because this was a big moment for us, I'm not sure we realized, well, we've already done it separately. A couple swap is way different than a threesome full swap. I think the way we described it to them is that we put a message in a bottle and we shouted it out into the void and they heard it on the other end and then they listened to us for nine months. They opened up the bottle and they nurtured that relationship. And somehow against all odds, they ended up at our welcome mat bypassing all the landmines that we have. I actually really love them. Yeah, we love you guys, which is kind of a cool thing that- You're making friends. You can have that human element. With people, you have no business meeting. If we weren't in the lifestyle, for us, if we hadn't done the podcast, this couple would never have come into our life. And that is the case with so many lifestyle friendships that you make, you're tearing the fabric of reality, of your vanilla reality. There's so much luck and randomness to your experiences in the lifestyle. And just embrace it. Yeah, you do. And somebody else said, I think it was Sandra Dee. Sandra Dee. That sometimes you need to ride the wave that you're on instead of always looking for the next wave. And that is definitely one of my issues, you know, because I'm like, oh, I'm trying to find a single male for an MFM. Ride the unicorn wave I'm on. Ride the couple swap that I'm on. And be happy where you're at. That's why we're sitting here in a hotel room right now doing a podcast. Instead of chasing an MFM for you, we're just trying to revel in it, marinate in it. And it was so unexpected. It was a pleasant surprise. And so for those of you who aren't going on a threesome bent like us, you're now going to hear maybe we'll have some couple swaps in our future if we can find a four-way connection because it is really next level. I think we're open to it now that if the occasion arises, we'll know what to do with it immediately. We were always like, why are we going to go to a plush party that's couples only? What are we going to do at Naughty in New Orleans? It's couples only. We don't know what to do with that. Now we feel like if we find a couple that we connect with, we know what to do with it. And it's actually really wonderful. We going to talk about that we picked up somebody in the wild here in Vegas? I know we really want to find someone in the wild, both a female and a male. Sometimes that feels like the final ball. That's right. That's what we did our first night. I thought we were doing meet and greets. Leo and I decided it's our first night in Vegas. None of our E&M plans panned out. Yeah, we were lurchin'. And so we decided, you know what, we're in Vegas. Let's go have a drink. I was like, I'm going to have an espresso martini at the bar. And we saw this adorable girl. She walked in, she had a cowboy hat. She had cowgirl boots. She had drip for days. She was like 25. She was at the bar alone. And so I was like, well, maybe I'll just go try to talk to her. Yeah, I told Kat, why don't you go up to her and invite her back to the table? And that was tearing the fabric of reality. I walked up to the bar, got myself a glass of water, turned to her and I said, I like your hat a lot. Oh, thanks. Are you here alone? Yeah, where are you from? Blah, blah, blah. She said all my friends went upstairs to go to bed. And I don't want to go to bed because it's Vegas. I'm joined by husband and I at our table. And so she did. And we chatted with her for over an hour, exchanged phone numbers. At the end, she said, do you have Insta? And we thought, I don't want to say vanilla swingers because that's a swinger shit. Because that's some key party shit right there. And we realized we probably need to rebrand ourselves because that's going to scare those in the wild people away. We play with a lot of singles. And singles, I think it works best. They're scared of swingers. To say, I think we decided that to close the deal, what we would say, Kat would say, is at some point in the conversation, if it gets sexy and flirty. And then she says, are you into girls? You ever kissed a girl? Would you like to kiss me? I've got to be the great wing person. If you get that far and it keeps going, the next step could be, you know, this is going to sound really crazy. But have you ever had a threesome before? And I think especially in Vegas, it's totally something you could do. We now realize you have to find someone alone at the bar. It's totally doable. We did not end up in the bedroom with her people. Well, because everybody, when they're in Vegas, they want to do some, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Everybody feels that way. And if she seems receptive to the threesome idea, I think you would say, you know, we've done it like once before. Oh yeah, right. And it was really crazy, but it was a lot of fun. Act like you're experienced swinger. No. Because that is not the play. You're going to scare them off, which is why, when she asked for our Insta, we said, yeah, I don't think we want to do that because then you're going to know who we are. And yeah, I think we felt like that might carry on. That might have kind of ended the deal. If we'd exchanged Insta's, it probably could have gone down. But we realized picking up a girl in the wild will be a lot easier than picking up a guy. Yeah, I think we're going to definitely do that at some point. I know I want to go down there right now. Let's go pick someone up. I'm just kidding. It also has to happen organically though. You can't force it. There's a lot of luck and randomness to that. You just have to be in the right place. I know of this couple that does exclusively MFMs. They've been doing it for 20 years. That's just their dynamic. And they pick up most of their people in the wild. And I asked, tell me how that works. So they basically, they go to a bar and they hit up a single guy who's there alone. But see, they send the wife out to kind of flirt with him. And that's just not. I'm not at that stage. Yeah, so we don't really know. I don't think I'll ever be at this stage. Best to pick up a guy. Because we play the hot or not game everywhere we go in the casino. God, he's so cute. We're like, why can't we just pass out a business card that says, you want to have a threesome with us? Because I think if you go out there and you're flirting, you're putting yourself out there as a single gal. And I'm not. I'm not hot wifing it. Leo doesn't watch. As you know, that's why Rusky isn't coming back. Yeah, I think you open yourself up to a power dynamic where he feels like he's going to come in there and he's just going to fuck you. And I think at the end of the day, a straight male is going to be a little hesitant. Because maybe he's like, I don't even know what to do with a couple in the bedroom. Yeah, well, guys are a lot more paranoid. They're raised from a young age to worry about getting robbed. They're not used to girls just randomly approaching them. But we will do it at some point. And you guys will be our ride along. We'll do it. We're going to do it in the wild. Absolutely. Bucket list. So are we going to talk about that magical full swap that we had last time? I mean, we're sitting here. I don't think we realize how big a deal it was until after the fact. Because we thought we've already kind of gone full. It is so different when it's with a couple. And especially because you're dealing with another married couple who have children, four grown adults. How about that? Having sex. How about that we have four grown adults in a hotel room and we have this dynamic where we're exchanging partners. I know. How do you do that? This is what every swinger does, but this is new for us. And I do get why a lot of couples gravitate towards the full swap because then you are both in a certain amount of NRE at the same time. Oh my god, it's absolutely. You're like, do you remember when he did that? Do you remember when she did that? I mean, our head is buzzy at the same moment because we were on the same bed doing all the same things together. Our double helix of doing MFMs alternated with MFS is absolutely the hard mode of the lifestyle. Yeah, so many times when I am on this drought, Leo's like, I'll just put aside this or that play date in order to support you. And I'm like, no, if it's raining unicorns, we're going to play with unicorns because one day it's going to rain single men. So this is kind of the start of our Tinkerbell chapter. Stay thirsty, my friends. Just like we had a throuple chapter with Lana. We've had a lot of chapters in our lifestyle. And I'm not saying it's that we're going to see them often. They live a million miles away. However, it has changed us. Yeah, we're forever entwined. And it's changed us. And I know that sounds so dramatic. It does. But for the first time, we actually saw, wow, I can see a way forward the future with couples. I think that it also helps in a way because searching for just the right MFM or MFF. I think we think the idea of adding an occasional couple swap to the mix. It adds some variety. It might help. I think we'll be better able to wrangle an MFM having had this really wonderful experience. I think you'd almost sit here and try to summarize the road that led us to this point and dispense some advice to newbies. But how about the fact that we took two years to get to this point and we just did a full swap with a couple who's never even laid hands on another couple? So it goes to show that you could have a journey that differs dramatically for other people. No one size fits all. No, there isn't. You may be the MFM couple forever. You may be. I'm going to go to Pound Town. Full swap immediately. I love that sweet, sweet irony that that's how we arrived here, is that they've never done a thing. I think they went to one livestock club. Yeah, and they just locked eyes with another couple. Like there was not even any touching. I actually worried kind of leading into it. Like, are you guys sure about this? We said, just leading up to it, that we wanted to have a talk with them to let them know. We did actually say it in the casino. I said, I just want to let you know, as we're kind of going about our night, as we head up to the bedroom, if at any point the two of you want to go back to your room alone, and you're like, I just want to kind of be together. We won't be offended. You'll still be my bestie. They both turned to me and said. They turned that down. What the hell are you talking about? I was amazed. You know, that's another cool dynamic that I think, that when we talk about that, first and foremost, we love the newbie energy. And I think going forward, we'll just continue on that streak. But we also like newbies that when they arrive and we meet, that they're also willing to explore boundaries. If we're playing with a newbie, it's nice to play with a newbie who's willing to put their trust in us to maybe nudge some boundaries of their own. We trust you to just kind of guide us wherever. It might be kind of soft. It might be full. But just kind of putting their trust in our hands. Are we newbie whispers? I think that's probably an apt description. I don't think that we're the best for newbies that have barely scratched the surface of their lifestyle journey. We're a little beyond that. We've even had some guys, I'd like to just come and watch. You're like, you know, I'd like some hands on me. I'm a little bit beyond that. Yeah, we're a little bit beyond just the exhibitionist and voyeurism. Just like if we're dealing with a newbie couple who's like, oh my god, we want to do parallel play. We don't even want to touch each other. So what the hell is wrong with the Hottie Hojurs? The fact that they've never done a single thing, putting a toe in the water. And they just basically said, here we are, take us. And just trusting that we would take good care of them. And they took good care of us because we were just as skittish. We were probably more skittish. We were probably more skittish, which is ridiculous. Part of the reason is because we're pretty well ensconced, pretty happy with our double helix that we did. Yeah, we just thought, I don't need couples. I love being friends with couples. But I don't need to play with couples. It's complicated. Playing with couples just feels like an extra step. You can choose exactly the guy you want. I can choose exactly the girl I want. And at the end of the day, we're not probably going to see that many couples kind of in our future. Because I still, I have a very serious 30 and under kink. And there's not. That's the problem. Hi, it's me. I'm the problem. It's me. You are the problem. And the reason why is there are not people that are pretty much under 30 in the lifestyle. The lifestyle is 35 to 55. You know how beautiful you are? I'm just watching you go through the day today. And just have this glow. I do have a glow. Yeah, you have a glow. You're so sweet. El Capitan said I was beautiful too. You're so cute. And so is Tinkerbell. Yeah. She's next. Lo, cute. She's smoking. Oh my god. Oh. Oh. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. Oh my god. Yeah, she's my bestie. And you know what, El Capitan? You were such a chill motherfucker. I always talk about it's got to be a guy that I feel like I could grab a beer with. And we had moments where the two of you went off ahead into the casino. And he and I would be back alone. And I feel like we might have brohugged at some point. I let him know at different times. You can touch my wife. I really liked him. I really like him. He's just such a good dude. And if I'm going to let somebody lay hands on my wife, I like that he's a good dude. I just, I love that. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy. But at the end of the day, couples are not totally going to be like, oh, that's all we do unless people have a reverse age gap because I want someone who's young. Yeah, cat's complicated. But we do have a friend that has a reverse age gap. Oh, you're talking about Stifler's mom. Stifler's mom has got it going on. We didn't talk about that. We got to see Stifler's mom again. We didn't get to play. We got to meet her fiance. We would have played, except we were going out of town to go to Vegas the next morning. She had already said, let's have drinks on Wednesday. And maybe she mentioned play Thursday, Friday. And we're like, we're going to be in Vegas. So we met she and her fiance. And her fiance, they have the reverse age gap. He's right in my wheelhouse. 10 years younger, right? So maybe that'll happen. But we didn't know it. At the time that we met them, we absolutely hit it off. And I think that we kind of teased the idea that maybe we could do some kind of force in me stuff. But at the time we were still terrified. Yeah, we were still solidly not a full swap couple. We didn't realize how wonderful it wasn't. You didn't even realize it while it was happening here in this room in that bed. I'm pointing to I really love the force of energy. It was like next level. Yeah, I was surprised that Kat had such a revelatory moment. I mean, and, you know, the girls have got to be into each other as well. And it was just the fact that Tinkerbell hadn't done so much as a kiss with another girl and she's going down on you. I know, like happily. Oh, I love to taste you. You're just like, oh, my God, how do you find a newbie couple? Oh, my God, that's so new. And yet they're so willing to just jump in with two feet. And that's really been our whole journey. We've jumped in with two feet as a newbie couple ourselves. And we've got to be there to take good care of them, to take care of the trust that they place in us to do right by them. So what's next on our agenda? Oh, we're going to Halloween in Denver, Scarlet Ranch with Flight Attendant. Flight Attendant. Want to get away? You will see us if you're at the Scarlet Ranch. Leah is going to be a football player. I guess we're going to have fun. She's going to be a cheerleader. We've been playing the long game with her. She's next level. Cute. How many months has it been? It's been over six. Let me see, February. Eight months. We're kissing. We're making out at the Maria Boy. It was the first time we'd ever kissed. And it was really hot. There was wanted to do a temperature check. Definitely chemistry there. And she'd only had two threesomes in her whole life. I think they're with the same couple. Well, it was the same girl who had, I think, different boyfriends at the time. OK. What were they going to make it three then? Yeah, we're going to make it three. Three's a good round number. So we're really excited. I think I'm going to be a schoolgirl, although I'm tempted to be a referee. Yeah, you're going to be a schoolgirl. Do you think so? You're hot as hell in that outfit. I wore that last night. Yeah, you both had schoolgirl outfits on. I know. I brought her an outfit. And then she's like, I gave it to her. I love when you guys are swapping clothes. It just feels like that bestie energy. And every time I've seen you, because you just exude that bestie girl energy. And every time I see that, I always think to myself, how is this mad that you're so invagled with these girls? And then you're making out. I mean, every guy's fan is it. Yeah, it's really just next level fun. We are on a new journey. I think maybe starting in January, you might see some more couple play from us. I say January because I just don't really see that happening between now and then. But we have opened a door to a potential new chapter for ourselves, and we're really excited about it. I told you today that it feels like when we think of, like, our vanilla life and our vanilla friends. Boring. If they could see us right now, what we're doing. It's so exciting. It is like the world is a kaleidoscope of color. I feel like we're secret agents. We're like part of the CIA. We live this double life. We do leave a double life. And somebody's going to find out about us because we're like however many pods into it, I don't know how people don't know what we're doing. But if they listened to us, oh my god, it would just be terrible. They'd be shocked to find out. We're so happy. It's so much fun. What we're doing, it just feels like pinch me. I can't believe we're doing it. And the people who are coming into our lives would not be in our lives if it weren't for us joining the lifestyle. Like, I just can't even imagine having gone through life and not having these people in our life. That's one of the best parts of all of this is the human element. I love being able to go through and leave a little bit of happy behind wherever we go. Because they are providing so much happy to us. We hear that from a lot of people. You know, when we play afterwards, when you're doing the aftercare and you're talking back and forth, they're in new relationship energy. It's burning like a wildfire out of control. It's sometimes because of you. And that is so hot. It is hot that maybe in some small way you cause that and they cause that for you. That is something beautiful. Some tinkerbell sparkles. You know, besides her looking like a Malibu Barbie bomb show. Oh my God, doesn't she ever? I'm a Barbie girl in the Barbie world. The thing that I love about her most is that she's fearless and she's totally unfiltered as far. It's rare that I've ever met somebody quite like that. And you know, it's lovely because afterward, I think we woke up to like 15 messages from her. And she just has a stream of consciousness. Yeah, who does that? It's like aftercare up the ying-ying. Like the experience is over, but let me tell you all the reasons why I love the experience. You're like, who doesn't love that? Yeah, cause we touched on that real vaguely in the past podcast that we said that oftentimes when people meet us, they almost seem reluctant to say too much. I don't know if they feel like fangirling or they feel self-conscious. But at the end of the day, oftentimes people don't really say what they're thinking or how they feel. Especially with like the unicorns, I often will tell them, you can compliment him anytime you want cause guys never get enough compliments. And I don't know if maybe they're like, I don't want to step on cats toes. And I'm like, no, talk away. Yeah, we love actually hearing what somebody's actually feeling, what's going through their head. And I love that that's unfiltered, fearless, and I'm here for it. Cause she asked, what did you guys think? I said, wow, we're probably gonna do a pot about it. So you're gonna hear all about what we think. And besides him being a tall, dark and handsome, stud of a man. He's not tall, dark and handsome. He's tall, blonde and handsome. Well, I think he's the tallest guy that you've ever even come in for. Tallest guy I've ever kissed. Where'd you go about six, seven? He's the tallest guy. You were climbing him like a tree. I really did enjoy climbing up and having him hold me. I thought that was really hot. I thought if you're gonna be tall, you should be holding me. But the thing I like about him best is I think that he adores you. And I think that he really appreciates the gravity of what it means to share my wife, which I don't even like saying that out loud. It was very unexpected because our nine months of conversation was with me and Tinkerbell. Leah was barely a part of it. He knew she was my bestie, but even Leah wasn't a part of our vortex that we were in. And her husband was nowhere to be found. And so now it has come full circle and the four of us are now in this mouthstrom together. I love that he's not gonna go away with just another notch in his bed post. Just like all the single males. The hookup mentality, the hit it and quit it. And I understand that's what I'm getting if I stick with the 30 and under crowd. And I know that that's the trade-off and I'm okay with it, but it doesn't make it a little harder. And one of those other little details that stands out that I love the most. Uh-huh, what? Is that they're this newbie couple, they've never done so much as cross touching with another couple. Right, none of those like parallel play with a little bit of caressing of someone's arm or like nothing, not a zilch. But they did go to a lifestyle club and we've met or been in contact with other newbies that have sort of started their journey into the lifestyle. Especially because of the pod, they'll come and tell us. I went to my first club. Oh my God, it was electric, it was so exciting. All we did was play by ourselves. And oftentimes they go from zero to 100. And we might have thought about, yeah, maybe we could possibly play with them one day. Because we love that energy. But I think when they go from zero to 100, it makes us kind of pull back a little bit. In a way, they almost saved their virginity for us. I know they partnered to cherry with us and it really was special. I'm not sure if they hadn't, it wouldn't have been such kismet as it was. It was the perfect time, the perfect place, the perfect couple. Everything had to line up like the stars align. Yeah, I don't think we necessarily would have played had they gone from zero to 100. And it's difficult not to. Because when you start your lifestyle journey and you get that first experience, that first zing in a club. Well, you go on the Swinger Moon. Yeah, and what do you think? I mean, I think that the sun is setting on our Swinger Moon. We said that most people have a Swinger Moon that's about two years long. And we used to try to kind of massage the time we'd been in the lifestyle. Cause you know, we said we started two years ago, but then we took off like five months. So let's call it a year and a half. But let's be honest, it's been two years since we stepped foot that fateful day in La Masque. Swinger Float. And now here we are. We're not the same as we were six months ago. No, we're not lurching like we're going down the highway at 100 miles an hour. Even though we are going down the highway at 100 miles an hour. We are not like chickens with our heads cut off. And that's how we were. We go away with less experiences. We go away happy. Quality over quantity is really the name of the game right now. And that was not how it was deep in the throes of the Swinger Moon. If we went out of town for four nights. We had to do something. We had to play all four nights. We would have gone to a club last night. I don't know. Maybe we'll find something. Leo and I walked around the casinos and ate like some donuts and pizza. That was it. And we just marinated in the club. We marinated. Like a chicken breast. So every bite is crunchy and juicy. Marinated with some sauce. There are 34 natural double D chicken breasts. Oh my gosh. Stop it. Which I think he loved by the way. Stop it. He embarrassed me. Yeah. He might have a little bit. Yeah. That's really special that they, I think that they intimated to us that they were going to hold off. And I don't know. I thank them for doing that because we probably came that close. They're calling it off. I can't tell you how many times we almost called it off. We're like, I don't even know what to do about this. But it was Stuart Scott. We kept putting one foot in front of the other. And then all of a sudden bottoms up. Bottom up. And we went all in. They said all the right things. They did all the right things. Even the moments when she might have been too much and she was over sharing too much information. You're always, always too much. Because she's on socials as fuck. Tinkerbell, but we are here for it. Don't ever change. Then she pulled back and she'd say, you know what, forget that I said that. She said all the right damn things. And I wish all of you listeners out there could meet our Tinkerbell and El Capitan because they are just that great and that special. I know none of you are going to get to meet them, but God would that be awesome. To meet them in person and be like, oh, this is who you're talking about. And now we're connected. And now we have 15 messages waiting for us on this lovely Monday morning in Vegas. And we're going to go home back to vanilla life. Do you remember your first time? Yeah, I do. Like vividly? Very vividly. Yeah, that person will live in your bedroom rent free. I don't talk about it often with you because that's called the hot past. We don't find it hot. Was it a good experience? It was a terrible experience. It was a mid experience. How often does your first of something monumental manifest itself in a magical way? It never because you don't ever know what you're doing. Like your first anything, you often are like, I'm fumbling, I don't know what I'm doing. It's always like the second. Oh, that was the good one. Well, maybe then the perfect sauce was... The marinating sauce? The marinating sauce was us being two years into our newbie journey and still having a newbie mindset. You know what, I know what it is. It's the marinating sauce of the 69th flavor. That's what it is. It's the 69th flavor sauce that is the new sexual... Is that like the Colonel's Secret recipe? Yeah, journey that we're on. Yeah, and we just entered that 69th flavor mood. Yeah, I like that. I don't know what it tastes like. It just tastes yummy. It's sort of sitting here today just basking in the glow. Marinating. I gotta say that I don't regret for a second that we took it so slow. Even though there is that one of you out there that thinks apparently we didn't go slow enough and that we should still be soft swap two years in. In most of you, if you're going to the speed at which we went, the snails pace, you would still be soft swap at two years. We have gone so fast. Well, because we're going almost like in dog years. The amount of things that we do in the lifestyle. People we've met. We're cramming like seven years into a two year. I mean, we've been on three cruises, one naughty, one Vegas. We spent an entire summer in Europe going to club after club after club. Not to mention how many times we've been to Denver and Vegas and SoCal. So it's really been in dog years, probably like five years on most of your journey. But what do you think? Have we been with around 50 couples? You know, we keep track. We're one of those couples. We don't keep track of like. We don't keep it in Excel file. No, and I don't like. I think we write the names down because. I write their names. I don't keep track of any details more than a name. I don't put dates or anything. But the reason we did that is because early on, when we got to around, I don't know, 20, I think we started to realize that five, 10 years from now, we might look back and we're going to forget a lot of those. You said 50 couples or 50 people? 50 people. Yeah, because couples. No, not 50 couples. We played with this year, Wisconsin. Maybe like. And Tinkerbell and El Capitan. That's it. That's been in a year's time. And then prior to that, the couple play we had, we're pretty much. Maybe like a dozen couples. Strangers at Swinger Club. And almost all of those were front loaded when we were so super soft going through the clubs. They may be included oral if we were lucky. And we usually didn't even know their first names. We were in that one night stand mentality then. So let's call it 15 couples and 35 singles. So 50, does that sound like a reasonable number? Yeah, this sounds about reasonable. And in that time. You're a VanWark. Ha ha ha ha. But in the nicest possible way. Because we're trying to leave a little bit of happy behind. And yes, I've probably gone full, what? Maybe two dozen times. You've gone full exactly. Twice. Twice. Yay me. So while it sounds dramatic, I'd say that that was moving at a pretty glacial pace. So most of you, if you're in that 50 people that you've encountered in your journey, you're probably five years in. So maybe if we're scaring you saying, if you do this, you might end up at a full swap. Know that it might be five years down the road. That one couple we know, they were seven years. I have seen on Reddit, somebody say, they were 12 years before they went to full. You can go as slow as you want and you can be in control of the reins. But do know that your boundaries are going to evolve because you can't be in a lifestyle without growing. If you go at a normal pace instead of what we're doing, just roaring down the highway. Normal meaning, you know, you might go to a club every two months. You might play once a month, twice a month. Right, if you're lucky, because you're not as speed running as we are. We've had instances where we've had four, three sums in three days. And I think that happened twice. It happened multiple times. Because if we went away four days, we wanted to play all four days. That was just how we rolled. And that was us in that Swinger Moon, chickens with our heads cut off phase. We've had an MFFFFFF. Twice. Twice. We almost had an MFFF. So three ladies in SoCal. That's right. And so we've done some of those things. So while the number sounds dramatic. Excessive. It kind of comes in these bursts. Right, because then we've gone on our last two vacations over completely, where we have to look at each other and say, oh, it's you. And you're still one of the lowest mile full swap girls in the lifestyle. So for the people out there. Well, my money count pre-lifestyle was already single digits, one hand. And now I've added two more people. So I feel pretty good about that. I like going at my pace. And I'm not clamoring to go find someone else. It's got to be the right experience. And I may wait another month for it. I may wait two months for it. And I'm OK with that. I'm not going to be, oh, poor cat. She's in an MFFM drought. I'm going to wait for the right one. Maybe Serpiboy will come back. I like that too. And his camper van. Because I'm monogamish. You're monogamish. At the end of the day, this is some E&M shit. And you like your girl's sweet and innocent. I'm not very E&M. We've always said before that we're not really the vanilla swingers. We're the vanilla threesomes. But I guess we were swingers last night. We're now swingers, honey. We're doing some swingers shit now. Damn it. And I think that at the end of the day, this experience, a full swap with a couple, something I never thought I'd hear much of saying. I never thought we'd do something like that. I think it marks the end of our Swingermoon. We were already ebbing. We've gone to OFRS, where we weren't lurching on different vacays. We felt it was definitely coming to an end. Quality over quantity seems to be the order of the day. We started to sort of say it out loud. Because we've been reluctant to say that. We thought maybe we could stretch the Swingermoon further. We've heard it said before. Basically, we're kind of massaging our dates. We felt like we could get another six months out of it. But constantly we'd hear people say, after about a couple of years. You settle in and this becomes more a part of your life. Rather than the only thing. Well, it's kind of the only thing still. It's different. We're still gonna be rollicking down the road at 100 miles an hour with the top down. A couple of shits in the back seat. And if you call us and you're two hours away, we might come a running. Is that still politically incorrect? That's still politically incorrect. Sex workers. Yes. Sex workers in the back seat. Yes. Shits in the front seat. And I think it's really fitting. Fitting that it marks the end of our Swingermoon. So not only was it just super huge for us in the sense that we did this full couple swap, which is so different than three some foals. I can't even tell you how different it is. It's now the cherry on top. And it is not as scary as we thought it was gonna be. So separate. It was really magical. And it also, it marks the end of our Swingermoon. We all grown up now. We ain't grown up. We're gonna be. If we are the most responsible people in the room, then you guys got problems. And I'm about like the Barbie. I'm a doll, but I still want to party. Pink felt like I'm ready to bend. I'm a 10 so I pull in again. So if you liked what you heard, go ahead and either subscribe or, I didn't know how that works. I know, just come and listen. We might post once a week. We might post a couple times a month. I don't know. We might get bored and stop doing it. So you better come and listen while it's still going. Otherwise we'll lose interest. Tell us how much you like it. Yeah. Leave a comment. That'd be cool. We love it. We're gonna leave a comment. I don't know. We love some comments. We don't have a website yet. Okay.