The New Teslas Are a Bad Deal!

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And I'll let you guess what mainstream news we're talking about before we get there in the episode. But first... Fun format. Oh, sorry. I jumped the gun there. This is something that's been weighing on me for a little bit. For the last week, I would like to open the episode with an apology to David, my good co-host. Here, let me to brighten up the apology mood. Just let me tune my ukulele here. Oh, my God. David, last week when we were talking about the greatest product in the world, the Microsoft Crocs, we all laughed at you because you didn't know what a chef was. And watching it back and a lot of comments, I can see where the confusion was and it was on me. I uttered the words, chefs are the strictest type of shoe. When I meant to say chefs wear the strictest type of shoe. And I think it's a totally reasonable moment to be confused by that. So I'm sorry. I still really enjoyed laughing at you. It was really funny still. But I'm sorry. Well, you know, Andrea, it takes a lot of vulnerability to open up to me like that. Thank you. And here on the Wayform podcast, we're all very comfortable with our masculinity. That was the ukulele also. Did you know I could play? No, I had no idea. I know. You got to break it out sometimes. That was crazy. But I totally, yeah, reading it back a lot of people, I was like, I understand it. It was still funny. It was still really funny. It was still funny. I actually also have a correction from two weeks ago. Oh, shoot. Two weeks ago, we talked about how I canceled my Tesla Roadster reservation and I'd be waiting for forever for my new car. I'd be waiting for forever for my 45 grand back. You didn't cancel it? Well, what happened actually was a bunch of news sites reported on it because when I went through the Tesla app process to go like input the info for the refund, it said, here is the info and here is where you will get the 45 grand back, which to me meant I'm not getting the original 5k back, which I spent to get in line. Turns out I did. They also sent me so they wired back the 45k, but then I also got a check in the mail days later for the initial $5,000 deposit. So I did get all of my money back. It just happened in two different forms and two different dates. It's funny because out of all the things that happened, that was the least surprising to me because usually there is one part of a nonrefundable deposit. So I thought that was just, it didn't occur. Yeah, nonrefundable. I assumed it was nonrefundable. It was refundable. It turned out to be refundable. So yeah, I did get all $50,000 back from the Roadster. That's the update from two weeks ago. So if you're out there and paid that fight for the other 5,000, sounds like you don't get it unless you make a podcast about it later. No, I think you should. They just, I don't know why it's split between the wire and a mailed check several days later, but that should be anyone. I mean, I did make the two payments separately, so maybe that's why. Oh yeah, probably. Either way. Here we are. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I wanted to talk about just briefly the Instagram rings thing that I posted. This is something people are asking a lot of questions about. So I figured I'd just explain what it is. Instagram reached out to me a couple, actually a couple of weeks ago at this point and we're like, hey, we have this. No idea where we want to reward some creators and give them like physical awards. Do you want to be a part of that? I was like, oh, yeah, that's, it's one of those nice things that platforms don't have to do, but I think it's nice when they do. An example of that on YouTube would be the little subscriber plaques that they give people. You can get to 100,000, then a million, et cetera. This one's a little bit different though. This one is a panel of judges, including the CEO, Adam Massari, picking a bunch of creators that they will reward for their creative choices and the risk taking that they've done on the platform. And they were like, do you want to be a judge? And I said, yeah. Behind the scenes, I nominated some creators, all these other judges who are also Instagram people and creatives nominated other people. We all voted on each other's submissions and the winners will be announced October 16th. I think it's pretty cool. The winners actually get a golden ring around their profile picture and they also get like a real physical golden ring award. I just want the golden ring around the profile picture. That sounds pretty cool. They also get to change the background color of their profile. Yeah, they get some customization, which they should just have on all Instagram accounts. It should be on all, but you get a gold one if you're a ring award. I have to say as well, I was doing research on this for the podcast episode to like put in the show notes and I was reading an article about it and I was like writing it all down. I was like, oh, it's a panel of judges. Okay. There's the, you know, then I saw your face. And I was like, why would I explain this with Marquette's literally a judge? Anyway, so I found out via a news article that you were a judge. That's why I was like, I think you open the side. I was like, do you want to just like talk about this? Yeah, it's been such a behind, it's been like a month of behind the scenes of me writing explanations for why I'm nominating these people and then going through all the dozens of other nominations and then casting a limited number of votes among the nominations to narrow the pool. And then we did it again. There's a smaller pool and I had less votes and I distributed my votes again. It was a whole thing, but yeah, I even actually don't know who the winners are at this point. They're going to unveil them all on the 16th. Well, I do appreciate your nomination. Damn, that was my joke. I feel like it's like that episode of the office where they're giving raises with the Boston baked beans from that game and they're just putting them all on people's faces. No, okay, no. I did have lots of confusion in this room right now. But yeah, it was a good time. So if you want to see who won, stay tuned to the at creators account on Instagram. It's me. Also, I interview Adam Massari. I talked about this and I think we've teased this before, but some of the comments about like, oh, you're a rewarding creators while you're at it. You should probably pay them. And that is one of the topics that came up that we chatted about. So definitely stay tuned for the full interview. It's going to be its own episode here on the waveform podcast of just grilling Adam about Instagram for a while. So I just want to change my background color to pink. It'd be cool. No, I want the gold ring. That's fire. The digital one, not the real one. Apparently on your stories, too, if you are one of the, this is literally only 25 people. It will expand obviously when they do more of them. That is unclear. That's an if. They've been very careful to not promise to do more of these. Be crazy. But I think they will do more. Only 25 people ever. Wait, did you meet all the other judges by any chance? I have not. I have not. Have you met any of the judges? I don't think I've met any of the judges. I don't think I really recognized any other judges. I recognized a bunch of them, but I've never met Spike Lee. No, I've never met him. Maybe someday. Well, next on the list, the Boox color. Yes. That's what I'm calling it for the rest of the time. Yeah. So at EFA, I think that they preview this to a very select number of reporters, but there's a new Boox coming out. If you don't know what the Boox is, I got it in my hand right now. This is the Boox Palma 2. Ellis and I are Boox enjoyers. We also are the books, right? I don't care. Okay. I'm just clarifying in case you're confused. We will continue to call Boox for the rest of it. When we first got them in the office and we were all, all of us, we're super into it. We just thought it was Boox until someone was like, it's definitely pronounced books. Because that makes way more sense. Because it's an e-reader. But we fell in love with Boox. Yes. So it's an e-reader that runs Android and it's in the shape of a phone. So it's a phone without the networking capabilities. It does have Wi-Fi. I love it because I have the Kindle app on it and I can just like push EPUB files on my laptop and then it shows up on here. And because it has Wi-Fi, if I need to do something internet related, I can. It's pocketable because it's the shape of a phone. Most people think I'm just looking at my phone, but I was reading a book. It's pretty awesome. No one knows you're a nerd now. No one knows I'm a nerd. And the camera. The camera, it's got a document scanner camera on the back, which is very fun. You're underselling it. It has a really cool fun plastic lens. And since it has no camera app, you can only use open camera. So you get no computational photography on your exposure. Have you pulled images off of it? Are they like full color images? They are. They are. Have you not seen the photos I've taken? Look, when I reviewed this, I was using the PDF scanner to like look through the viewfinder, but it's obviously still black and white. So I'm not looking at the full color photos, but I never even thought about pulling. No, they are full color. Those bold them. They're fun. They're really bad. In a way that is good. Anyway, they're making a Buick's P6 Pro, which I assume the P stands for Palma. But right now it is only announced in China, which is a bummer because I want one. But there are a couple of different versions. They're making one with eight gigabytes of RAM and 120 gigabytes of internal storage with up to two terabytes via microSD. There is 5G SIM capabilities. Yeah. Oh. It is not yet clear whether or not the 5G means that you're going to be able to call and text people. Could it just mean internet connectivity? Just internet so that you need to access 5G iPad. I guess you could. Yeah. Wait, I have a question about the naming of it. Yeah. You say the P stands for Palma, which makes sense. I'm not sure. It's just called the blue P. But the 6 stands for four releases past the last version, which was the Palma 2. Yeah, I'm not really sure. Okay. I'm a little confused on that part. It is kind of straight. They do books, books, books. It does have multiple devices. They have ones that actually look more like standard e-readers as well, but the Palma just blew up. This is the year of skipping numbers. Yeah, that's true. You know how Xiaomi just skipped numbers to get to this? What they go to. They went straight to 17 to match Apple. Yeah. Xiaomi 17 Pro Max. The OnePlus 2. Well, not the OnePlus 2, but the OnePlus 14 and went straight to the 15. Yep. Because they don't like four. They don't like four. But it's 14. It has a four in it. So, there are no fours at all. If you write out the symbol for it, I'm sure you have the number four in it, and they just don't like them. So, the whole 40s. Yeah, I'm sure they won't have anything with 40s. 20 years, exactly. Yeah, was there a P40 Pro for Huawei? No, I thought there was a P40. Did it go from P30 to P50? I think it's only one plus that is skipping the fours. Okay, interesting. All right. Well, the Books P6 Pro is going to have a black and white version. It rolls off the tongue. And then, it's going to have a black and white version that's, I believe, like 300 DPI, and then there will be a color version that will be able to be used with a stylus, which is interesting. Are they going to make a stylus or it's just a stylus compatible? They will sell a stylus for it. Yeah. So, that's cool because if you're like, you can mark up books and stuff, you know. Oh, interesting. Yeah, on your e-reader. Wow. So, you can underline things. You can write little notes. Yeah. Yeah. I used to do that with books. Yeah. Boops. And you can still do that with books, too. Yeah, but it's portable. Books Palma. Palma. Wow. And they also upgraded the camera by quite a bit to 16 megapixels for high-risk scanning. For high-risk PDF scanning. High-risk PDF scanning. It is ironic. We were talking about this slightly before the show, but we were like, well, what if they made it with a 120 Hertz display and full color and OLED. And it's a smartphone. Yeah. The magic of this is that it's an e-reader and it does not allow you to do any of those things. Other than having a cell signal, are there any things that you wish the books did that it doesn't do? Or is it perfect? It's pretty perfect. I don't really have any problems with it. Battery life is amazing. Can I, I think I mentioned this in the pod before, but a few weeks ago I used my books in an incredible way where I was doing some creative work at a music festival and there was this DJ playing and I really wanted a live feed of the DJ with a bunch of effects on it to go to a projector. Like that was projecting this massive screen. And the DJ and the projector are like 50 feet from each other. And instead of having to run a bunch of cables or like do something crazy, I just got an open source NDI camera app on the books because of its incredible battery life. I just set it up on the DJ table on a GorillaPod and it just streamed for like six consecutive hours. Black and white. No, no, color camera. Oh, color camera. Yeah, because it's yeah. And because I could turn the backlight off like no one in the audience knew is there. It was just like small and discreet. Stealthy. Wow. That is incredible. Books Palma baby. Neesh perfecties. And it wouldn't have worked on any other device because the color screen would have killed the battery in like two hours. So it's launching October 9th in China, but international price and availability are still unknown, which is sad because I want it. So just had to bring that up for the books Palma enjoyers out there. There's dozens of you. I've seen that one. I've only seen memes from the show. I've never seen a whole episode, but I've seen clips that are clearly memes. What are you talking about? Rest of development. I don't. I know plenty of people. It's a rest development. Okay. A rest development is the one show that starts off on fire and everyone's like, that's not like the office in Parks and Rec. They're just give it a season. A rest development is like episode one. Banger. I still won't watch it. Okay. But that's good. But you watch the racing movie. Yeah. The F1 movie. F1. That was a good movie. Did I tell that story about how I watched that movie already? We talked about it in the car. I watched the movie on the plane on the way to the MediConnect event, but we landed 20 weeks. It was only to Apple. Same week. No, it was the week before. It was Apple. It was Apple. Because I was with you. You watched it when we got to the. Those are back to back weeks. Okay. So we landed, but we landed 20 minutes before the end of the movie. So I closed the iPad and went and like went to work for four hours before the climate. 48 hours straight, whatever. Yeah. And then I realized as we were about to fly home that I hadn't seen the end of the movie yet, but I watched the end of the movie right before we took off. Would you say it was predictable? Yeah. I think the reason I didn't have to watch the last 20 minutes of the movie is because I knew exactly how it was going to go and it did go how I thought it would, but it was cool to just. Yeah. First stop in Wins WDC. Yep. That's what happened. That's exactly what happened. Well, speaking of things with wheels. Nice. Wow. I know I'm pretty good at this. Did you set up the F1 movie? Okay. Well. Oh yeah. That was my multi-part scheme. Have any of you guys seen this liquid skateboard, this new electric skateboard that's. I did. Kind of out? I watched the video. Did you get, this is one of those things where Tim and I both talked to each other where it got just recommended on YouTube. That's where I saw it first. I actually also got recommended on YouTube, but only like 13,000 views. It didn't have a ton of views, but it's. Why are we in the demographic that it's recommended to? I guess it still thinks we can skateboard. Hey, I had not seen this. I just clicked the link. It says the first electric skateboard that feels like skateboarding. Okay. So yes, the, you know, like we've obviously talked about boosted. We have an entire episode about why boosted rose and fell. You should definitely listen to it. It is like OG pod content. But I feel like skateboards of electric skateboards have kind of fallen off since then, at least in popularity. Yeah. I'm not saying this one's going to be the next big hype one, but the interesting thing about it is kind of the most annoying thing about previous electric skateboards was the amount of remote and always having to have a hand on the remote all the time. Yeah. The way this works is there's a pressure pad on the tail of the skateboard. It's a very average looking skateboard, not a longboard. It's got big cruising wheels on it, but it's a pretty average like nose and tail skateboard with a big battery pack on the bottom. And that pressure pad on the tail, the way it works is you push off like you're riding a skateboard, but once there's pressure on the pressure pad, it coasts at the speed that it's currently at. It maintains the speed. It maintains the speed. Yeah. So you can give it one push, step on and you're going like kind of a slower speed. You give it a couple of pushes and get up to speed, then put your foot on the back. Now you're at a higher speed. I think it's a really interesting way. The way you stop is take your foot off, kind of put it down on the ground and slowly stop like you would normally stop a skateboard, which is a great way to absolutely destroy your shoes. Yeah. This is why you wear vans when you're skating. No, Osiris. Osiris. What are Osiris? Oh, please look up Osiris shoes. No, this is totally. We got Google Osiris. Osiris. Did any of you own a pair? I owned at least two pairs. Really? They were so cool. Do you think you have pictures of you in them? Somewhere. Not any of that all fine by the time this episode comes up. Not the Apple TV show Osiris? No, look up Osiris shoes. You're spelling it correctly. Okay. Is that like a God thing? It is. Oh, no. Is it? I have no idea. The name is, I believe in Egyptian God. I think the best way to mark it. If shoes looked like a jet puff marshmallow mixed with a stegosaurus, that's probably what Osiris shoes are. Did he mix with like Rob Dyrdek? The names of these shoes are Clone Rise Ultra Peril. I just have to fact check Alice here for a second. Rob Dyrdek has always been DC. Bro, what the heck are these? What are those? What are those? I didn't have, maybe I had that pair. They're rough. Where are your kicks? So people wear these to skate? Oh yeah, obviously. There's a photo of them skating with them. But this is cool though, the skateboard. I'm just reading about the skateboard now and it's $600 in its pre-order, so obviously it's premium. But the idea is obviously if you skateboard longer distances and you just kind of want to cruise a little bit, the Boosted Board idea had a lot of traction and people loved it. It was cool. You can go really fast. The idea of feeling like a more natural skateboarding experience because specifically the motor calibration is really good and it's really smooth to ride and can maintain your speed at whatever speed you pick, that's clever. It's supposed to feel exactly like a regular skateboard, which is cool. The thing that's good about skateboards, at least the electric ones like this, is you can just pick them up when you get to the subway. That's the problem that I had. I had an electric scooter. We have a bunch of things that we use in the office here. Even some of the Boosted Board are tough. Those are heavy. Yeah, they're heavy, but they're portable. You can just pick them up. Yeah, I went to a grocery store with one though and I didn't know what to do with it. I think having two free hands also is... Yeah, you can put your groceries on it. You all grab it. That's true. It pulls your car. I used to ride the thing almost every day until the incident, so... That's crazy. Fair enough. We'll let people disvay what the incident is. I'll give a couple quick specs. Spec update. Top speed, 13 miles per hour, seven miles of range, 10 pounds, two hours to charge. Swappable batteries. Straight up swap. I guess it's not hot swap because... Do you need a wrench? I'm assuming you need some sort of a wrench or something. But it is 499 euros, which is about 585. I think that's super reasonable. What we're Boosted Board is like a thousand. They were like 1100 for the top ones. And an extra battery is 109 euros. It's not bad. But yeah, I think these are pretty cool. I don't know what level of available these are because when you go to the website, it says like it's pre-order now and says our last 20 skateboards for 2025 just sold out. So we're taking pre-orders for next round of production. So it feels like they're minimal. They're pretty new and don't have a ton of manufacturing capabilities. I believe the guy who invented it is from France. I was just there. I should have met up with them. Yeah, you should have just picked one up. Right away. Yeah, I don't know how available these will be. I just thought it was a really interesting idea behind it. It would be fun to try. Okay. Well, I would love to try that because I used to be a big e-skateboard fan. Boy. Nice. Man. Did we mention it was called liquid? I don't know if we ever mentioned the name. That's the first thing. Okay. That's what I said. Cool. Yeah. Okay. Today as of recording is the embargo for the Pixel 10 Pro Fold, which you definitely forgot did not already come out. I saw you recording B-roll for this and I was like, why are you doing this so late? Then I remembered that they weren't shipping it till October. Yeah. Yeah. So that we'll do thoughts on that. Then I also have the Pixel Buds 2A, which I've been using for a couple of days and have some thoughts on. Awesome. Well, I guess, yeah, let's start with the phone. Folding phone, several generations into now having a folding Pixel. The main improvements with the 10 Pro Fold are the new gearless hinge. It's much thinner and smaller. So the bezel of the primary display gets pretty close to the same distance all the way around now. It also is this nice, like, thick, not thick, what's the word? It's like a heavy feeling, smooth action. I think it's nice. It feels nice. So it's a good hinge. And then 10s or 5 and Pixel Snap and that's basically all that's new and IP68 thanks to the hinge. Yeah. Outside of that and it's blue. Oh yeah, new colors. Yeah. But then it's basically the same thing. And so it got me thinking, like, I've really liked this phone and I've used it for a while and I like a folding Pixel. But the more I've thought about it, because it hasn't really changed very much in any direction since it started coming out, the more I've realized that the idea of a Pixel and the idea of a foldable are the opposite ends of the smartphone spectrum. Like on one end is the Pixel, which is not the highest end specs, not the most powerful chip, not the craziest hardware or the fastest charging or the biggest cameras or whatever, but a ton of clever software post processing AI Google magic. And everyday people appreciate that and it's usually a pretty good deal. On the other end of the spectrum is folding phones, which are 1500 to $2,000, which are crazy, like premium ultra thin builds, trying to have like the most maxed out hardware, literal folding screen on the inside. And that's not really a good deal. That's a very niche thing. And so somewhere in the middle, there's a customer like me who's like, I want a Pixel because I like the Google software stuff and I want a folding phone because I want to like max out my productivity. But for $2,000, there are way better folding phones in this. So it's super hard to recommend this as a Pixel or as a folding phone. It's just a very, very, very slot slender group of people that I think will actually be cool spending $1,800 on a. Yeah, it's a temporary. I guess it has to be like you want the folding phone and you really want the Pixel software. Exactly. Yeah. So this one doesn't have the best cameras. It's essentially the same cameras as the last generation. It's triple cameras, but it is not as good as the flagship. It's not as thin or light. So you put this up against like the Honor or or the Samsung Z Fold seven, for example. And it it becomes kind of an obvious chunker. Like this is a this is a chunk of a folding phone. So that's kind of a bummer for it. The battery life turned out to be really good while it used it. So I love that it has adapted battery on by default, but I was getting like six out of screen on time using it closed a lot, but still pretty good. But yeah, that's not the fastest charging thing in the world, not the best hardware in the world. So I just, yeah, yeah, it's just because I like the Pixel. Yeah. Yeah. I remember when they showed when they briefed us on it, they showed us how it had Pixel Snap and how you could have it on the wireless charger while it was open. Yeah. And it just sort of sagged. I was worried about that. Yeah. I put it on my my dash to drive with it closed and it's it's heavy, but it stayed. Yeah. It was fine. But yeah, if you try to put it on a Pixel Snap open, it will sag. Which is a bummer because I feel like being a when you're driving, being able to have the map huge on your dash would be really nice, but yeah, not quite there. Yeah. Maybe if every car company just did Android Auto and CarPlay and stopped whining about it. Yeah. Never have to do that. Yeah. It's what the users want, not the companies. Did you see Joanna's interview with RJ and when she asked that question? I did. She was like, do you still hate CarPlay? And he like went on this whole thing about why like Rivian, by the way, yeah, Rivian RJ. And he goes on about why CarPlay feels like CarPlay and Rivian feels like Rivian. And Joanna the whole time is just like, you're just lining me up for this. And then he finishes his explanation. She goes, so CarPlay Ultra, you're going to do right? And he was like, no. Yeah. It was, I listened to it. It was literally, she asked about CarPlay and one by one, he started going down a list of all the reasons why CarPlay is bad. And every single one of those reasons was an exact perfect setup for CarPlay Ultra. He was like, well, you know, there's switching back and forth between CarPlay and your car software is kind of annoying. And then CarPlay, even when you're navigating somewhere, like, doesn't know your status of your car and like how much battery you have left. And he just goes down the boat, point list one by one. And I'm like, she's definitely going to ask about CarPlay Ultra. We're in CarPlay Ultra again. CarPlay Ultra. CarPlay Ultra integrates with the software and all the things that the car knows about itself. So it knows how your state of charge is, if it's electric or your gas tank amount left. If it's a gas car, it knows all the other little details and control different things in your car too. Yeah. So you never have to leave CarPlay. You stay in CarPlay the whole time. And that is also not going to Rivians, obviously. Yeah. Well, at least they have good software. I'm trying to think if there's any other thing in the tech world where every customer seems to want it, but no company actually wants to do it. You know what I mean? Like CarPlay, everyone, if you ask Rivian customers, hey, would you like CarPlay to be added? No one would go, no, of course not. They would all say yes, but the company absolutely will not do it. Yeah. I can't think of anything. Who was it that put out that stat that was like 80 some 80 percent of customers will not buy a car unless it has CarPlay. And it was like, I do not think that is true. Yeah. The amount of Tesla sold proves that that is not true. Yeah. And Rivians. Rivian is the most common premium SUV gas or electric in California. Really? That was also in the same interview. Yeah. It's literally the biggest market share premium SUV in the entire state of California. Probably more than F-150? SUV. Oh, okay. Car 1S. California. Yeah. That's Texas you're thinking about. Yeah. So yeah, it's there. They're selling them without CarPlay and that'll keep happening. Well, the PixelBuds 2A. Yeah. No segue, just no. We were already in this conversation. That was the side track. PixelBuds 2A launched also today. They're $129, which is a little bit more than I thought they would be considering they're like the cheap affordable model. But they did add ANC this year, which is really nice. I've been using it for a couple of days. They're sweat and water resistant. They've got Gemini. They've gotten the ANC is pretty good. And the base response is pretty good. I was using these for a couple of days and like, yes, they're clearly not quite as premium materials as the pro. They have more plastic sort of in the body of the device. And I don't think they have wireless charging on the case. So there's that. But honestly, they sound pretty fantastic and they integrate really well with Pixel devices and, you know, is that the only downsides to the A series? Like no wireless charging, slightly less premium materials. Is battery life still good? Like battery life is still pretty good. Yeah. The major downside to me would be lack of wireless charging. That's kind of seems about it, which is kind of crazy. I just got the Buds Pro 2. Yeah. And I'm very upset. I should have just waited for these because these seem like a way better deal. I mean, the materials on the Buds Pro 2 are better as well. That's fine. Yeah. So I was like, fit in your ears. You're like 229, I think. Oh, yeah. Oh, you also cannot swipe to control volume on these, which kind of sucks. So you got to use your phone. How's the live translation? Perfect. Also, the battery life is up to 20 hours, whereas the Buds Pro is up to 30. And the Buds Pro probably sound better. Probably. Probably. Maybe. Maybe. Sound okay. I guess. Your buds. Yeah. Weirdly, these say they have Talk to Gemini Live, whereas the Buds Pro have Talk to Gemini Live in noisy spaces coming soon. I'm just imagining on the 2A, Gemini is like, it's a little too loud in here for us to talk right now. So microphone. Can we go somewhere else? I can't hear you, bro. Let's get out of here. Yeah. I like to sit in the table by the wall, so it's easier for me to hear people. Yeah. But these come in these purple color iris and also hazel. When they asked me what color I want, I thought iris would be blue. Wait, what? Yeah. They are purple. I don't know how purple means iris, but also flower. No, doesn't there's the famous lady that has the purple eyes? I thought your iris was just the color of your eye. Is there a flower called the iris? Yeah, the iris is purple. Iris is a flower. But some of the irises are blue. Let me tell you guys about the time I got traumatic iritis. Wait, what is iritis? I right is inflammation of your iris. And it was traumatic just means it's because I got hit in the eye with a frisbee really hard. Ow. I thought this was going to be a pun about how you're always right about everything. Oh, I should have thought it was iritis. I'm right. Miss opportunity. Wait, so what did you have to do? I went to the hospital and they put drops in my eyes and it really calmed it down. And they charged you three three thousand dollars. Yeah, something like that. I got there myself. I didn't take an ambulance or anything, but. Yeah, that had been 13,000. Oh, yeah, exactly. Cool. I also like the way you pronounce ambulance. Well, speaking of purple. Oh, I like that. I can't tell if this is a thing, to be honest. I don't think it's a thing. We saw. We couldn't make it. We're spreading misinformation. I will. We can delete this at any point from the podcast if it turns out to not be a thing. How about that? Well, I want to open this up as a conversation of do we think this is a thing or not? Fair. Okay. The lens is, is this a thing? Is this a thing or is this not a thing? The thing that could be a thing or not a thing is. A slightly color changed iPhone 17 Pro Max. It seemed to go from orange to a weird off rose gold color. There isn't really any other information about this other than it is. I mean, we know what the phone's made of and we know how long they could have possibly had the phone. Literally, it's been a couple of weeks since the phone came out and that's it. It stems from a post on our Apple that has 10,000 up votes and 600 comments. But other than that, it's only really gone on Twitter. Yeah. It's a picture that someone says my orange iPhone 17 Pro Max turn rose gold and they'd say didn't realize it until everyone asked where I got a rose gold phone from and then this person has one other comment in the thread in the last three days that says someone said you when you turn it, it changes colors dramatically based on the finish and the lighting. And he says, I can send you a photo from any angle. It's rose gold. That's the only comment. And I'm surprised on our Apple. A lot of people seem to be pretty like, yeah, this is weird. I can't believe it's doing that. But this picture looks off. I don't know. I don't want to turn this into like, this is fake, but. It doesn't really feel like I'm not buying it. I'm not really buying it. Yeah. I'm not trying to hear it like defend that it's perfect. There's no way this could happen, but. I've never seen, as far as I know, it's like leaving things in the sun that gets stained. I've seen cardboard do that. I've seen plastic do that. I don't think I've seen anodized aluminum in a week or two stain from being in the sun. I just haven't seen that. Even if it was going to like wear down as you use it, it would, it wouldn't wear down so evenly along all of the aluminum. I've had it before where I've had like brand new blue jeans and you put things in your pocket and it stains the hell out of them. Stains the thing in your pocket. Yeah. So it's possible that he had some sort of pants that stained the aluminum, but. Man, part of me wants to go full conspiracy and say, this is a photoshopped thing and he posted it on Reddit to troll. It's just like pink around the entire phone. I'm going to, I'm going to go with not a thing. Yeah. I think we probably would have seen more people talking about it. I think like a bit of verge or someone would have made a post about it if it was more believable, but don't say we didn't talk about it, but I don't think this is a gate could become a thing, but as of right now, plenty of time for a gate on 17 to come out. We will cover it when it happens. Um, but I don't think this is the gate we were all hoping for. I mean, wow. And you expose yourself. How much of Google say that? I don't know. I've had so many people call me an iPhone show and I've literally never owned an iPhone in my entire life. Classic. All right. Well, speaking of stains, um, my reputation, considering trivia, I am so low on points. I've stained by reputation, but let's take it. You're still riding that post-wind high. That's true. Trivia. Welcome back to Waveform trivia guys. Today's question is about. E readers. Let's go. We talked for the books in 1998. Nouveau media released one of the world's first e-readers called the rocket e-book. It had 106 DPI and four megabytes of flash storage. That's enough. Wow. According to the mobile read wiki, which is an e-reader wiki. Nice. How many books could it store? Price is right rules. And just so we're, we're all in agreement here. This is sort of like the way Apple, when they had the iPod, you know, there's no, how many songs? Yeah. How many song like, you know, what? Yeah. Are we talking about like good night moon or the Bible? Talking about, that's, that's a great question, David, because actually I have the number. This is calling a book 400 pages. How many 400 page books? Okay. Trying to think it would be an impressive number back then. I guess I just read a novella because the book I just read was 297. Those are Ricky numbers. It's got to be at least 400. Yeah. Shop of book. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll think about that. The answers will be at the end, like usual, and we'll be right back. Support for the show comes from Shopify. The early days of starting a business are equal parts, exciting and terrifying. It's a big risk, but it's one worth taking as long as you have the right tools. And if e-commerce is part of your new business, here's a tip. Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform used by millions of businesses around the world. They say they can help you tackle all those important tasks in one place, from your inventory to payments, to analytics and more. No need to save multiple websites or try to figure out what platform is hosting the tool that you need. 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Uh, but owners of those cars have woken up to the news that their cars are now premium versions because there's a new low cost version called the standard. Uh, and a lot of people were talking about this because there are rumors for a while of like, Oh, are they finally going to do a low cost, super cheap version of the Model 3 and Model Y is going to be like a $35,000 car or something like that. Like that was a rumor people have been talking about for many years. And then they started teasing something on Twitter and we saw some silhouettes and some headlights and now here it is. It's the new low cost standard Model 3 and Model Y. So I'm going to go through the list of things that they cut out of a normal Model 3 or Model Y and tell you the new price. And I want you guys to tell me if you think it's worth it. Okay. So you could get a regular Model 3 or Model Y today or a premium, a premium rear wheel drive, or let's go with Model Y. I'll share with you all the things that I found just from watching the videos that are different about this new model and how much you save. So this new standard Model Y starts at about $42,000. So that makes it roughly $5,000 cheaper than the existing rear wheel drive based Model Y. Okay. So for $5,000 less, you get single motor rear wheel drive, but a little bit less power, so about 300 horsepower. So instead of a five seconds zero to 60, it's about a seven seconds zero to 60. The battery is about 10% smaller, but it still gets 320 miles of range with the new smaller 18 inch standard wheel and air wheel covers. It'll charge up to 225 kilowatts, which is almost the same as the 250. The headlight bar is gone. It is just a normal looking split pair of headlights and the tail light bar is also gone. It is a normal looking split pair of tail lights. The only free paint color is gray. Okay. The only available colors, by the way, are you can spend $1,000 to get white or $1,500 to get black. Okay. The steering wheel doesn't adjust with a motor anymore. It's a manually adjusting steering wheel. There's no more seat adjustment buttons on the front seats. You have to do it all through the touchscreen. There is no more ventilation for the front seats and no more heating for the rear seats. There is no more touchscreen in the back. You have just vents and USB-C ports. There's no more HEPA air filter. There is no more heated windshield wipers. There's no more ambient lighting, except in the footwell. There's no more, there's half the speakers, seven, instead of 15. There's no more FM radio. There are single pane, laminate windows instead of dual pane. And you manually put the second row of seats down instead of that button that used to be in the trunk. And they removed the frunk liner. So it's a smaller and not lined frunk that could get water in it. And last but not least, they have removed the glass roof, except not really. Explain. I'll get to that in a second. But just on pure price of performance, do you guys feel a certain way about this new base Model 3? So are all of these things? All these things. You can get all of them for $5,000 more. $5,000 more dollars. You can get all of that. Feels worth it to me for $5,000 more. Yeah, this feels like a great, this feels like a great way to sell a bunch of them for rental cars. And then also price ladder people when they go to buy one into being like, wow, I get all of that for another $5,000. I'm glad you said that. That's exactly my take on this is it kind of feels like a price ladder first rung where you see this cheaper version and you look at it and you're like, oh, for only $5,000 more dollars, I could get all of this stuff for quality of life and it will only be a little bit more expensive. That seems like this. People are reacting initially to this thinking this should have been a 30 to $28,000 car, which would have been nice and you can get a used Tesla for that. But instead, it's not as cheap as people thought it would be. Things like removing the heated windshield wipers and also the ventilated seats and stuff like that. I'm like, that's stuff that you should just have. You're going to say that instead of the FM radio. Yeah. Yeah. So here's the thing. I was last time to use the FM radio. I'm saying that's so much more default than heated. Oh, you know, I'm saying if you're buying a brand new car, it better have an FM radio. That's what I'm saying. What? Why the hell not? That's like three dollars. Exactly. It's got to be like five cents in parts and time. That's true. So here's the here's the thing about this list. And we were talking about what's that truck that we were talking about earlier this year, the slate truck. This is a like this is a good idea in theory is to take a bunch of the expensive extra stuff out. This is what Rivian R2 is like take the extra expensive stuff out of it and make a cheaper version, make it a little smaller. I mean, the R2 is a little smaller, but they took out a bunch of like the speaker and the flashlight and the extra like super high-end motors and they make a cheaper version and it's still almost as good and hopefully you don't notice the things that are taken out and it's fine for most people. Like that's a normal process to go through to make a cheaper vehicle. But some of the things that they've taken out are so strange to me. Like they're really odd. I'll go through some of the notable ones, right? So obviously a slightly smaller battery makes sense. Smaller wheels, a slightly smaller motor and less power totally makes sense. The expensive light bar, get rid of that. Cool. Um, the headliner in the glass roof is added in while the roof of the vehicle is still made of glass. Can you explain what a headliner is? So when you look up in your model three, it's like the biggest artist at a music festival. God, a headliner in a car. They went in the roof. A headliner in a car is when you look up and the material of like what the borders around your glass roof are made of. Yeah. Like that and like the, the pillars. The pillars. All of that like material. Right. When you look up in this standard model three and model Y, it's going to be just a cloth headliner, but the roof of the vehicle is still glass. So what they did was they just added a different, like a cloth headliner instead of keeping it open glass to make it cheaper, which is a little confusing. Did I actually make it cheaper? That's, wouldn't that make it more expensive? It's a great question. It seems like Tesla's saying that it makes it cheaper instead of just adding like reengineering a new, just metal roof. It's whatever. So you can't see through it. You can't see through it. It has a glass roof, but they've added headliner to it instead of reengineering a new metal roof. Could you directly take that headliner out and have a glass roof again? Guaranteed someone's going to try it. Guaranteed someone's going to try that. We'll see. It's probably just glue. I don't know. It seems like, it seems like they see it as being more fancy to be able to see through the glass and they're just like trying to make it feel less fancy. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Have we seen a video of that? Cause like this is on their website right now, standard. I'm looking at the inside. And I see a, because there is no glass roof. I don't know why that's the picture for the standard model three. There is so funny because it changes all the things when you go through like premium performance, like it adds the extra lights and stuff. They got the seats. They just forgot to render out the glass roof. So even when you're ordering on the website, it looks like it has a see-through roof. Yeah. Couple of other weird things about this list. There, I watched a bunch of the Tesla influencer videos about these cars. All of them had this blue model Y in their videos. And then at the last second, Tesla went, by the way, blues not available for this vehicle. So all of them have this like shiny blue model Y in their videos, but they can't get a blue one that don't, doesn't seem like that's on purpose, but that kind of sucks. The other one that was weird to me. Potentially getting water in the front. Yeah. Okay. The front liner, if you watched one of these videos, they open the front trunk and instead of having a normal looking like lined front trunk, there's just a bunch of exposed wires and metal and then a like kind of, I mean, the front trunk itself still has lining, but there's just way more exposed car part. Wow. I thought that was, I linked it. If you click the liner link that I put in the chat, you should link to the time stamp like five minutes, 30 seconds into this video. Isn't that, that seems sketchy. How much are you saving? Oh yeah. There. It's literally like light plastic. Yeah. Also the HEPA air filter, like, isn't it really good to have that? And also making it, buying a HEPA filter is not expensive. It's more expensive to get a HEPA rated filter than just like a basic air filter. Yeah, but like not by a lot, right? And that's something like, so I haven't had one that has a help of filter, but you replaced those filters, right? Like throughout the car's life. Uh, no. Well, the HEPA air filter, I don't think you replace nearly as often. There are some air filters you do replace. I've replaced one of mine, but that was because my car had a problem where water was dripping down into the air filter area. And so mold was a lot of it in there. I've had model S had that problem as well. Yeah. Yeah. I assume radio. I have no idea. I see what you mean about this roof. I'm seeing it. This is a video from every day, Chris. And I see it in there, but every photo I've seen from Tesla or sourcing Tesla shows the glass roof on other websites, which either means they're wrong or well, it's probably Tesla's. It's probably Tesla that's wrong. That's why it's just funny. I don't know, man. 5000, like if you're buying a $35,000 car. Yeah. I agree with your assessment, Andrew, of it being like made for rental companies and then also price laddering. I think price laddering price. Laddering. Perfect for this. Like if this was really appealing price, people would get it. If it's not a really appealing price, people will see it and go, if I only spend a little bit more, I can get 256 gigs of storage. It's also a way for them to say, look, we finally did it. We delivered the $35,000 model three, which they talked about a thousand times and have only done for like a day at a time every now and then. And they still didn't even do right. It's 37,000. Well, in New York, it's 35,000. Because certain states still have on Wednesday and credits. Yeah, there's a New York state credit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is almost certainly revolving a little bit also around the $7,500 and tax rebate going away. They just went away. Yeah. So they want to continue to sell these. And obviously now that that rebate went away, everything just got $7,500 more expensive. So this is somewhat correcting for that a little bit. But yeah, it just doesn't feel quite like a good deal. I will say the one way you can paint it in a good light is this is probably the best range per dollar you can get for an EV. For a brand new EV, $36,000 or whatever it is, $39,000 or 320 miles of range. That's pretty good. What about the Prius that has the solar panels? Well, if you're not, I mean, that's not an EV. Have you heard of that, Tara? I actually don't think that gets 300 miles of range. So I think, yeah, that's, that's, you can paint that in a good light. And as far as just basic, like point A to point B commuting, if I don't really care much about my car in that way, then this is 300 miles of range for not very much money. And this will probably depreciate in a couple of months. I was going to say, I would simply buy a used premium one for probably cheaper. That's currently the status of the lineup. The used premium ones are a better deal in a lot of ways. Yeah. And also, since these don't hold their value like these do, because certain decisions. Yeah. Um, the glass roof thing. That's weird. Very funny. I can't wait until someone just rips out the cloth. I'm sure that I keep wanting to think like there must be a reason for whatever it was around the glass roof to maybe be more expensive, but it feels like even just creating the new skew or like new part must mean it's more expensive to create, to take that away. Here's how I think the logic actually works out. They have this manufacturing process, which has the model Y, which has a glass roof. And then they have the part inside the car, which is the headliner with the cutouts around the glass roof. Right. For this cheaper model, and it would have actually cost them more money to reengineer a version of the model Y with a metal roof. Yeah. And so to us, it feels obvious to just leave the glass roof, but I guess Tesla found a way to make it cheaper to engineer a new, even cheaper headliner that just glues in cloth into the top that is cheaper than the headliner that cuts out for the glass. Oh, so that is some way that they found a way to save some dollars and give people no glass roof, but the glass is still on top of the car. Right. So, uh, yeah, someone's going to cut it off. It's funny because they're using more material, more headliner material. In some ways. The headliner does look pretty cheap. So I think that's a very good. Yeah. Yeah. And now what if they like, didn't try to make the car drive itself? Oh, that was my next save. 20,000. Yeah. So does this have all the hardware on it? If you can you buy full self driving on the website as you can. Yeah. The website, it says you can. Well, the website says it has a glass roof also. So that's fair enough. And it's fair. That's the thing that would make, I want to know how many of these are sold with people buying full self driving the. Might be coming soon feature. Yeah. I don't think people buying this should be spending thousands of. So couldn't you have just taken the software out of it and kept FM radio or the, sorry, the cameras and everything. And just like had a non potential driving version of this. And that doesn't save Tesla any money to not put the cameras in all of them. Oh, the, no, it still needs, well, it's lost the cameras anyway for like the blinkers and the backup and parking and all that parking. It's, but it has like extra cameras that are specifically built for full self driving, right? I don't think there's a distinction. I mean, maybe there's one or two extras, but I think in general you have all the cameras around the mirrors and the sides and everything. And then you use the cameras for normal driving activities. And then they also use those cameras for self driving software. Even like ones pointing forward. Yeah. I think so. I think so. What are you using those for normal driving activities? When you build the 360 image around the car and like throw it on reverse and that stitches them all together and you can park and see like your surroundings. That still seems like a more premium feature than a lot of stuff. I agree. I agree. Yeah. But would you buy a car with no cameras on it? If I wanted to save money, I'd probably rather have heated steering wheels and just like, no, there's not a chance of drives itself. I have stuff like that. My car, I mean, I do really like my reverse camera, but it has one reverse camera on my car. That's all I've got. I have to parallel park every single day and I need that. Yeah. I think there are some features that if you ask somebody in 2025 in the year, like brand new car, would you expect to be able to buy a brand new car that doesn't have insert feature here? Yeah. And I think for some people, cameras are like a non-negotiable. You have to be able to have that in a new car. But I think there's a lot of things on this list that are skirting that line. I don't think a manually adjustable steering wheel is normal. A giant iPad in the middle is probably not something that people say is not negotiable. Yeah. But that does everything for the car. Like they took away the, they took away the adjustment on the side of the seat to change your seat. You have to do that on the steering wheel still, which by the way, mine broke within like the first month. So maybe it would be better if it was on the screen. Wait, what broke the like a seat adjuster handle things. Yeah. They just snapped off. Oh yeah. Well, now that can't happen. It's funny that it's, it's funny that it's just the buttons and not just that it made it like the typical, you know, the sliding bar and the like, uh, Oh, just a full man to go back and yeah. Yeah. I wonder if that's a similar, similar case of glass roof. Would it have cost them more money to re-engineer a new seat that slides on a different set of rails or do they just keep making the same rails they've always made, but remove some buttons? I guess I don't know how much different the rails are or if it's based on like what's sitting on the rails. It's also so possible that none of this made it. Like some of it just didn't make it cheaper, but they just wanted to make the price ladder. Yeah. I super, I would love to see, I want to see a list of how much per unit each of these changes saved them. Yeah. Like in order. Yeah. Cause FM radio had to cost nothing. I don't know why that's probably just from like, it's like a radio, like a single part. Yeah. And this already has like wireless capabilities. It still has satellite, it still has other like internet radio, it just is missing FM radio receiver. I doubt it. So probably like that radio shack. Maybe they didn't want to put an FM antenna on it. Yeah. The antenna, the 30 million dollar antenna that goes on the car. No, no, no, but like then you have to design it for a place to go. And it's already there. It's every FM radio, every car already has the FM radio. They are just removing it from the standard one. Meaning they're saving. It does have an FM radio. All of these tests already have FM radio. They're just saving parts. I tried to give them one benefit of the doubt. This is just parts money, parts money. That's it. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't think I'll recommend this. Yeah. The segment is going to do awesome. Somebody in the comments on that one. Yeah, he's definitely defending it for sure. Do we know if it ships with hardware three or hardware four at war? Is that a stupid question to ask? I the Tesla ecosystem sort of confuses me. No, that's a good question. I would assume it's hardware four because hardware four is the newest. All the cameras and stuff that are always in. I guess that was main. That was kind of the basis of my question on does this have autopilot because are we doing like the older cameras or the newer cameras? That felt like a port. I would assume cameras were more expensive than FM radio. We're still on that. So so the reason I ask about hardware is because earlier this year, Tesla came out and said hardware three will not be compatible with full self driving, which is what that whole lawsuit was about. Like, yeah, because they people bought cars with hardware three and then paid for full self driving and then they're like, oh, sorry, you're not going to get it. Do you know it's going to be funny when hardware four is incompatible with full self driving in a year? And then also they're not, they still haven't said how they're going to upgrade people from three to anyway, but I was curious. And then I asked it. I was on Tesla's website right now. I asked the GROC chat feature in the corner and it was like, I don't know. Yeah, I can't find that information. I think the two funniest things about this are the liner and all the creators are just getting a blue one and there's no blue one available. The one guys that you could tell he changed the thumbnail to be white because it's a white car. You click on it and then you go into it. It's a blue car. Yeah. OK, Doki. Super fun. Do you have any final thoughts on that, David? No. OK. I will also shout out that if you were extremely unimpressed by all this Tesla stuff that we actually, coincidentally on the autofocus channel, just dropped a top Tesla alternatives video. This is a subject I get asked about a lot as a car reviewer. So I just decided to make the video. Ten years ago, the video would have been very short. I would have just been like, you should just get a Tesla. But now the Supercharger Network is open and there's a bunch of alternatives that are actually really good. So I rounded up Model 3 competitors, Model Y competitors, Model S competitors, Model X competitors and Cybertruck competitors. So go watch that autofocus video. It's out now by the time you watch this. Anyway, it's time for Trivia. Trivia, dude. All right. So I was so appalled by them removing the FM receiver that I went to see how much it would cost right now on AliExpress. If I was to buy just the piece FM antenna. No, just the receiver, the receiver like little module thing. Price is right rules without going over. And that's one part just one because we bought in the millions. Exactly. So just one. How much do you think it costs? That's it's going to be no. It's USD. Can I just go zero? Price is right. Price is right rules. 53 cents. I'm guessing one cent. There's just no way. Well, it's but it's only one piece. Yeah, I'm buying one AliExpress right now. Three cents. How much did I pay? 53 cents. Well, we'll think about that. 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Finally, one of these where I'm not the only one that's a f***ing s***. It's going to be a long bleep right there, but... For the non-Swifties and Posts, do I have permission to move this discussion into the left ear of the podcast and then place something else in the right ear of the podcast? Everyone should listen to this. Okay, listen, I know when I did the Christian Horner Getting Fired from Red Bull Racing, I did a very bad job at comparing it in tech terms. Also, not as big of a cultural event. No. We did the basketball trade one. That one was great. That was a huge cultural event. So I found a couple ways that I think I can explain to you guys this album that I think will be the best way to show where it is in the Taylorverse. Can I tell you where I'm at with this album? Sure. I have not listened to it. Okay. I came into the studio one day and someone said, Oh, are you celebrating Taylor Day? And I said, What are you talking about? And it's because I was wearing a Taylor Made Golf shirt and someone said Taylor dropped today and they thought I had coordinated it. I had no idea. That was a rich. Yes, it was rich. So I heard that the album came out. I then proceeded to not listen to it. But then my timeline on Twitter was filled with this unusual amount of hatred. Yeah. Or at least negative reviews about the album. And then I started seeing like a day or two later, Instagram reels and memes about how bad the album is. Okay. So that's where I haven't, I still haven't listened to it. Okay. So I assume that this is a culturally big deal and I'm excited to learn in tech terms what this is. Every Taylor album release is culturally a big deal. Every. She's just, it just doesn't matter if it's good or bad. She's just at that level of fame. I think we can all agree on that. But so yeah, the way I'm going to describe it inside of the Taylor verse is I'm actually going to do two things. Okay. I'm going to rank this album the same way that YouTube ranks the last 10 videos, which for those of you who are not familiar, the way YouTube ranks or shows your ranking of your videos is when you publish a video, it compares them to the last 10. And at the time those last 10 were published. Yeah. So it's a ranking out of 10 based on the last 10 albums that Taylor Swift put out now. In quality. In my enjoyment of it. Okay. So it's more personal to clarify even further. If we drop a video and it bangs, that would be a one of 10. One out of 10 is the best. 10 out of 10 is the worst. 10 out of 10 does not mean terrible. It just means out of the 10 we are comparing. How many albums does she have? More than 10. So that's why we are just doing the last 10, the most recent 10. I am including Taylor's version of Reveal. But I'm not including the random like sets at different recording studios. Okay. That's a whole other discussion. There's a lot to go here. So I'm trying to be as specific as possible. I would like to describe myself as a above average Taylor Swift fan and a below average Swiftie. Okay. I think that paints my picture of where I'm at in Taylor fandom. Okay. Okay. So. I mean you've listened to the last 10 albums. That's already a pretty high level of. And after I do the YouTube ranking, I am then going to compare it to a Pixel phone. Okay. Based on the Pixel lineup because there are 10 Pixels. I like that. So I have two ways to try and describe to you guys where I think this album is sitting. Okay. So first of all, I think this is a five out of 10 life of a show girl is a five out of 10. It's mid. Okay. It's in the middle of her last 10 albums. Nope. You said it's mid. I did not say that. I did very distinctly. I'm printing that quote on my website. Nope. Not a chance. If we publish a video and it does five out of 10, do we not describe that as mid? You know, maybe she should work with some title changes to give you credit to give you credit. Like we in tech timber, we notably, I think we talked about this last week, we had a video that went up as a nine out of 10. And if it had published in any other month of the year, it would have been a two out of 10 because the last 10 videos were all such bangers. Is this the case with Taylor where this album is bad, but her last 10 albums are all so bad that this is just mid or. There are some very good albums in her last 10 albums. So it's a big mix. Her last big mix. I think the bottom of the 10 is a little weak in my eyes. I'll give you the whole list right now. Yeah, I put it out. Trust me. Okay. For anyone who knows Taylor's albums and wants to see where my rankings of this is, this is my list one to 10 based on YouTube rankings. I have read Taylor's version, 1989 Taylor's version, lover, speak now Taylor's version, life of a show girl. Those are very close four and five. And that's one through five. That's one through five. Then I have evermore fearless Taylor's version, midnight's folklore tortured poets department. That is my ranking of last 10 albums. The folklore one that was like well received. I personally like evermore way more than folklore, but both of them are pretty slow in general. The long story short might just straight up put evermore above. Doesn't it like came out last year of like 34 songs on it. I forget exactly what it is. I am not a big fan of torture poets department. I'm excited when people clip this and have hot takes about your rankings because I just know that that's what happens. I think the audience is very reasonable and will at least give me credit for having an opinion. What is the Venn diagram between our audience hardcore Taylor Swift people in our audience. There's enough to whenever an album releases people saying Andrew, what are your thoughts on the new album? I think it has reached the point where it's like almost a circle. I think a lot of people listen to Taylor Swift albums just because Taylor Swift is that just she's Taylor Swift like she's everywhere. Did you listen to it? I have not, but I plan to because it's that big of a like cultural event. I'll tell you why I have it at five. I think why it's mid-intectors. Not intact. I'll do a quick. I think the reason I enjoy it right now is it's poppy and it's up B and it's kind of what I like out of Taylor stuff. I think after being really salty about not getting errors toward tickets and definitely not holding a grudge at all around torture poets department. This is the album. I was like, there's a lot of really fun, catchy music. I don't think anything's that like totally mind blowing. I think it's impressive that she can make me sing along to a song about Travis Kelsie's ding dong in the car. Wood is a great song. Life of a showgirl is great. Wishlist, fate of Ophelia, Opalite are all bangers. Really good, fun songs. Shut up. It's a. Shut up. Who can. It's a. It's a fun album. I'm liking it. If I can bring it into pixels, which I think you guys will more understand. I'm going with no folds, no a series. We're just doing pixel one to 10 as the full lineup. No pros. I mean pro intent. They're like in the same level. You know, each one has version, the pro models. No, they're just their own albums. I think life of a showgirl is the pixel six. We got our debut of it's kind of like it's bringing it back. It's new tensor. It's a fancy chip, but it's not really as good as the other chips that we've liked in the past. You know, we were excited for it, but it kind of it paved its new way. Taylor's engaged now. We get big fun album of that. The pixels six was like the new bulls. It's kind of broken a little bit. It's like an album. You don't think of it as the peak of pixel them. Yeah, it was like flashy and new, but it was also like pretty good. It made you kind of excited about pixels again, but you were still longing for some of the older pixels. You get that. Okay. You know, like what would both of you guys say is peak pixel? Like if you had to pixel one, I think I'm pixel two. I think Panda felt like it. I like the shape of pixel one. That's fair. Pixel three was fire. I like solely and bathtub notch. Soley and bat that was pixel four. I think three. Was it pixel four? Okay. Then I knew three. Pixel four. Pixel four is probably the best. But you said no. No. Okay. Cool. I for reference, I had red TV as pixel two because I think that is like, what is it? What's TV? It's Taylor's version. Oh, sorry. That's the release album of 10. It's the one that includes the 10 minute long version of Taylor of all too well. It's a, I'm trying to think of if I can describe this album. It's like a straight line of us. I'm sorry. Yeah, so it's good. Excuse me. I'm about to go to my six. I'm about to go to my six show this year. That's actually will be pretty fun. Yeah. Yeah. I think pixel two felt like peak. I think panda pixel felt like, are you saying the writing? Are you saying Taylor's writing is better than it's really manifested? Probably not. We're not doing this. This discussion is not. I, I've thought about this when I saw it in the script yesterday. I said, I want, you know, and I'm glad you chose pixel because when the, the, the tech terms that I got ready, you know, to explain this record is I think Taylor Swift is like Google. I don't know if there's other other pop stars that you can pair to other tech companies, but when I, I mean that to say Taylor Swift, you literally could not get more famous than Taylor Swift. Yeah. You also as a musical artist really could not get more wealthy than Taylor Swift. Like she is, she has done it all. She sold more records than anybody she toured for two years. There were literally a global shortage. Yeah. Taylor Swift tickets. She's a billionaire in the same way that Google, while they're not the most, most valuable or profitable company that ever was in a lot of ways is the most privileged company that ever it is. They, they have access to more information than any other single human source in history. They have offices all over the world. They have talented people everywhere. They, they were some of the first people to deploy transform models, you know. Yeah. And also both Taylor Swift and Google love despite their pedigree at the top of their respective fields. They feel scared for this. They love to play the victim. Right. They love to be like Apple is being mean. They won't let their users text our users and they won't even adopt our stupid open source. And then or they like, remember the pixel? Was it like the seven or the eight a when they brought back the headphone jack and they were like, your favorite phone company doesn't even have the circle. You know, and the same way that Taylor Swift, you know, will. Yeah. What does she do? Write a song, write a song calling another artist who said something actually nice about her, a drug addict, you know. And so I think a lot of the negative reaction is album isn't actually about the quality of the music. I think it's in the same way that Google this year, you know, after years of being like, guys, we're trying to do Gemini, but we want to make it safe. I know where it's worse or like, guys, Apple so mean to us. It's like, all right, Google cook. See what you can do. And what did we get? We got Jimmy Fallon yelling tensor. Tell me if this is accurate or not. I'm trying to feel like I understand this, the, the implications and the, the overreactions and under reactions on both sides. I think you should take Twitter reactions out of it. I think we know the Twitter audience these days and I don't think they're the ones who are going to go talking about. I'm going to loop both in. I'm going to loop both yours and Twitter's in. I'm going to say that the Taylor Swift album was life of a show girl. Yeah. I'm going to say that life of a show girl in this year's iPhone lineup is the iPhone air. Hear me out. Sure. Apple, incredibly popular, the company arguably the most popular in a lot of places in the world. Anything that they do, everyone hears about it and sees it and has some reaction to it. In some ways, when they release new stuff, not only do people compare it with their past work, which had some peaks and some valleys, but people always look at it when it first comes out with an extremely critical eye, looking for a date, looking for something that could be a big headline that's wrong with it. They will overanalyze every little piece of it. If there's a piece of this lineup that came out, like the iPhone air, that clearly has some upside, but also clearly has some downside, people will pounce on and react very strongly to the downside because it's easy. That's the obvious thing to do. Then in time, it may age better than the current storm of Twitter reactions. This album, while it seems pretty mid now in the lineup, like the iPhone air seems pretty mid now in the entire lineup, it may be appreciated, maybe further down the line for being at least a little bit different or at least a little bit better than the hatred that it got when it first launched. Is that accurate? Yeah. I think that's super fair. I think like, I don't think anyone's saying this is an album that's blowing other albums out of the water. It's clearly not the best album. Every fan would say that there's a majority of albums out there. But we also had iPhones that bent in half and that you could hold wrong and wouldn't get signal and it's clearly not the worst one either. I think my version of this album is like, I like it because it's fun and there's nothing really about it that's the standout of it. See iPhone? But I'm enjoying listening to it. It's got one camera. Because it's the, yeah. No vapor chamber, but it's fun. No vapor chamber in this album. Jack Antonoff is the vapor chamber. I don't think Jack Antonoff worked on this one. That's why it's the air, doesn't it? The air doesn't have vapor chamber. Yeah. Vapor chamber team didn't. No, I don't think I had a vapor chamber. Jack Antonoff was a playgoal. See, I'm in the Swiftiverse, bro. Me and you, I'm in your head, though. Jack Antonoff spreads the heat around, you know what I'm saying? There you go. So I am convinced that this album is fine. I have not yet listened to the whole thing. I've listened to random little segments of it, but I'm convinced that the album is fine. But because of the way that social media algorithms are structured and everyone wants to be the tribal leader of opinion, people are just more extreme in either direction. And then that makes the people on the other side of the aisle more angry. A thousand percent. So yeah, the discourse I saw on threads was like, oh, Taylor Swift must go hard if you're stupid. And then there was other. It was just pretty funny. To me, none of this is none of this discourse is actually real. It's just that the the algorithms fuel people being more extreme in one direction or the other because you get more engagement because you get true. They don't have a monetary incentive for that. They do. Threads does. But yeah, they pay people. What is it? I started this section off with the the pixel is amazing. It's photo of the year. No, wait, it's trash. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, saying that the album is fine doesn't get a lot of engagement. So saying that the album is amazing or terrible. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The structures of the Internet and we don't we barely have in person discourse anymore. So then we need to change our five out of 10 to either a one out of 10 or 10 out of 10. If we want this like to be. I was going to say, well, no, because the thumbnail will be a blurred out number out of 10. You know, we should do because we can do a B testing. The title of one of these should be the Taylor Swift. That was amazing. The other title should be the Taylor Swift is trash. And just see what happens and see how many people click on which one. The world. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know. I agree with you, Marquez. I think that over a longer period of time, it's going. People are going to realize that it's like fine and like people will appreciate it over plenty of people will like it and plenty of people will dislike it. I think the discourse is fake. That's just all I'm saying. I think it's not real. I think that can be said about pretty much everything that make you like the S 25. Ultra or S 24 Ultra. I think that makes it like the S 25. Oh, we didn't even review it, but it's like low key. It's fine. It's fine. It's probably a good phone for you or for me. Do you think we got it, Andrew? Do you think that was? I have no idea where we are anymore. I think I got it. I think Marquez did a good job with the air. I think the air is a good analogy. Perfect. Then you know what it's time for. Trivia. Oh, all right. What are we titling the episode? Probably Taylor. I think that's a clip title. Yeah, I know what it would be. Wayform episode 315 Taylor's vision. Oh, that's good. It's October Taylor's version. Guys, welcome back to trivia. All right, guys, my first question is about the rocket ebook, one of the first e-readers in 19, released late 1998, but most people consider it a 1999 product that had four megabytes of flash storage. How many 400 page books could it hold? Okay. All right. You guys seem to have very quickly gotten to your answers. Yep. These are Price's right rules. I put some thought into my answer. What is this? What's Icarus football at him? What? Sorry. There's a Wawa football jersey. Like European football. Soccer. David said it on me. That's so sick. It seems like it's like the... No. Well, so David and I both put 99. I put 10. Yeah, that's not right. Andrew. 10. Am I over? No. Okay, thank goodness. You're right on the money. Exactly 10. Wait, in prices right? Triple points. Triple points. I'm just kidding. It does mean something in Price's right though, right? If you guess it exactly on the... Oh, I think you win the thing. Okay. I was doing the math of like, okay, they must have picked a 400 page book specifically to make it a nice round even number. So it's probably a nice round base 10 number. So it's probably either 10 or 100 or 1,000. And then I just tried to think like how big is a book text file. And I thought you could fit 1,000. You could get a $500 bonus. David, you are last but not least. I'm not. With four points. No, you are last. End least. End least. In points but not in character. Oh, thank you. That's me. Marquez, smack dab in the middle with six points. He's mid. He's pretty mid. Yeah, you know, five out of 10. Yeah. And then Andrew just leading the pack. So I'm the Taylor Swift album, huh? Yeah. Like the show girl. I'm probably like 1989 red Taylor's version. How many points do you think you have? Price is right rules. If you get it wrong, you need higher points. I think I have nine points. Damn. You just said it. Dude, you could have had that, man. You could have looked so smart in front of everybody. I was trying to set you up. How much is an FM receiver that we found on AliExpress? Yeah. And so price is right. For a little clarification, this is not just the receiver. This is a PCB with two knobs and LCD screens, some DSP, a headphone jack, a headphone amp, some memory so you can store preset stations. Like this is a radio. Like this is a full radio. It just happens to be all on one little tiny circuit board. Can I ask maybe a super question? Sure. I know the dollar sign comes before numbers. Does the cent sign come after? No, it comes after. Yeah. What would you ever write a dollar sign and a cent sign? I'm not writing a dollar sign. I'm only going to write a cent. Yes, cent's come after because there's no decimal. For some reason I always put the dollar sign after and I know it's wrong. That was a what's a chair moment for sure. Or what's a chef? I need to eat. Eat a with that. Who wants to go first? I wrote 99 cents. Just like that one album, that one song from the guy. Oh. Thrift shop. 99 cents is an acceptable answer. Does that mean it's the right answer? I don't know. It beats me at 14 cents, correct? That is true. Marquez? I said $3.29. I should have put $1.29. Guys, the AliExpress listing for this item was exactly 99 cents. 3X points. That's wild. Thanks for watching. Also, thanks for watching the Pixel Fold 10 Pro. That's a long name review. Thanks for watching our autofocus channel, which has also recently published a Tesla Alternatives video. So if you're interested in that after we talked about the new Model 3 and Model Y, feel free to watch all of that on the autofocus channel. The studio channel, I'm sure, has also published something recently. And so now every channel has something new for you to watch as we plow through techtober. There's much more to come. Stay tuned for that in a mysterious interview. Thanks for checking it out and subscribing and see you guys very soon. Peace. Goodbye. This is Advertiser content brought to you by Stonyfield Organic. Our cows, them going out to pasture, they love it. They're so excited to go out every day. They weight-rated the Dorian Infect. 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