Episode 276: Marriage in Heaven? Soulmates & Romance Across the Veil.

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Welcome to Chains of the Afterlife. I want to start today with a question that we often wonder about the afterlife. Do you believe that romance has an expiration date? For many of us, we've been conditioned by the traditions of this world to believe in those famous five words, till death do us part. We've been taught that once someone crosses over that the romantic connection stops. Or maybe you've lived a life where you've truly never been romanced or been seen or gotten by a partner. And you're wondering, what about me? Of course, there are others in great relationships and others. Maybe not, but our conversation today is going to be about romance across the veil. And if you are in the boat like me, we might be single or maybe you're in a relationship and don't feel fully romanced. I want you to pay attention and stay tuned till the end of the episode, because guess what? We do get romanced in the afterlife, even if we haven't met our soulmate here on earth. There's one thing that is absolutely true in every single case, and that love carries on. It's the most powerful force in the universe. And yes, I mean all kinds of love. But today I want to talk about that deep, specific romantic love that you share or you want to share with your soulmate. Today we're going to hear some special stories. We'll meet a woman named Mary Beth, who found her high school sweetheart after 31 years, only to lose him to cancer and then find him again through a sign involving the afterlife. We'll hear about a logical, left-brained insurance guy who didn't believe in any of this until his wife gave him a physical sign while he was driving. I'm going to tell you about a brilliant neuroscientist who spent her career diagnosing people with mental illness until her own husband passed away and started inserting thoughts into her mind to prove he was still right there with her. Let's start with the story of Steven Simon. I bet you've seen some of his movies, but you didn't know his name. He produced Somewhere in Time with Jane Seymour and Christopher Reeve. That's the movie about a love so strong it literally pulls the man through time just to be with the woman of his dreams. He also produced What Dreams May Come, which starred Robin Williams and won an Academy Award for how it showed the afterlife as a beautiful, painted world created by our own thoughts. But even though Steven made these movies, when his own wife, Lauren, passed away in 2018, he was hit with a level of grief that no one ever expects. He told me he was out of his mind with grief. He was a basket case for six weeks. He eventually called his good friend, Neil Donald Walsh, author of the books Conversations with God, and he was crying on the telephone. Neil told him something that changed his perspective. He said, Good Steven, you have to be out of your mind and now in your heart, because that's where you're going to spend the rest of your life with Lauren. Steven realized that Lauren hadn't gone away to some far off place in the clouds. They began to communicate through something called inspired writing. Steven would sit down with a yellow legal pad, get into that quiet heart space, and he would feel her words. He says the afterlife isn't a one size fits all experience. It reflects our own beliefs. He and Lauren actually sat down before she passed and designed what their heavenly reunion would look like. Steven says that romance does not dry up when we die. It becomes luminous. It becomes the very air we breathe. He says he is now so happy because he knows that Lauren is still his partner. Now, here's a story about Dr. Tara Swart that provides the scientific wow factor for this romantic connection. Tara is a neuroscientist and a medical doctor. She spent her years in the sterile material world in her medical training. If someone said that they saw a ghost or heard a voice or a deathbed vision or a near death experience, she was part of the team that would label them as delusional or schizophrenic. To her, the soul was just a fantasy for religious people. But then her beloved husband, Robin, died of leukemia just two days before their fourth wedding anniversary. Her world of logic was shattered about six weeks after he passed. Something happened that no medical book could explain. You see, one night at four in the morning, she was jolted awake by a massive, forceful thump on her shoulder. It wasn't a dream. It wasn't a grief hallucination. It was a physical touch. She opened her eyes and there, sitting right next to her on her bed, she saw a hazy version of her husband, Robin. He looked like he was pushing himself through a thick fog just to be seen. Then she watched him become clearer and clearer. She could see the outline of his hair and his face. And then he slowly dissolved from the top down. Being a scientist, she tried to talk herself out of what she just saw. She thought her brain was having a glitch of some sort from the trauma. But then she started waking up every single morning, feeling, freezing, cold. She was shivering each time, so she would blast up the heat, even though she kept the room warm, as she called like a sauna. She eventually looked back at her calendar and realized that Robin had always hated the cold and during those exact weeks, his physical body was being refrigerated in a drawer at the morgue. She feels that she was tuning in to his physical state because their souls are still entangled. She decided to give Robin a challenge. She said in her mind, darling, if you're really here and you can hear me, send me the sign of a Phoenix. Now, she chose that because it's rare. You don't just see a Phoenix on the street like you see a common bird. The very next day, she was driving through Chinatown in Oklahoma City and passed a restaurant with a huge, bright sign. The Phoenix Garden. But then the universe had one more wink for her. On the anniversary of his death, she was flying home to Los Angeles. Her flight was canceled. And the airline told her she had to spend the night on a layover in Phoenix, Arizona, that was the exact day of his anniversary. Tara says now as a neuroscientist, she is 100 percent sure that our brains are just filters and that when we love someone that deeply, the filter opens up so we can pick up their signal. There's another incredible story about a woman named Irene Weinberg. Irene was a complete non-believer before her experience. One day she was standing at her kitchen sink washing dishes in that very present in the zone state. Suddenly a thought popped into her head that she knew with absolute uncertainty wasn't hers. It said, Saul has to go. Many lessons will be learned from his death. She was terrified, of course. She looked at her husband, Saul, who was sitting on the couch watching a football game. She brought him a glass of water, kissed the top of his head and tried to ignore that message. Two months later, they were driving home from a ski weekend when their car suddenly swerved. They were going so fast and the car started to flip through the air over four times. Irene heard that voice again in her head. It said, he's not going to make it, but you are. Saul did pass away in that crash, but Irene had a spiritually transformative experience right there in the car wreck. She felt Saul's spirit leave his body and she felt the presence of what she calls honest to God angels that surrounded their car with emerald and blue light. Later, Saul communicated through a medium to give her specific undeniable proof. He told her that he had actually left his body before the car stopped flipping, but he stayed close to steer the vehicle in a way that would make sure that Irene survived. He told her that when he crossed over, his mother was waiting for him with open arms and she was dressed in her old favorite house dress and the specific hairdo from 30 years ago, just so he could recognize her. And then his mother led him to a deli where they had coffee and bagels. Saul told Irene through the medium, imagine the shock to find that even in heaven, I could still have a cup of coffee and a bagel. It shows that our personalities and our romantic bonds and thankfully even our favorite snacks stay with us. We don't become some distant or different version of ourselves on the other side. We are the same people just without the heavy physical suit or bag of bones that some call it that gets sick or old. I see this in my own life and in the lives of listeners every day. I get so many incredible emails. I remember a story from a woman who was missing her husband so terribly. It was their anniversary and she was feeling that dark cloud of grief. She asked him for a sign, anything to know that he was still with her. That afternoon she went to the florist to buy some flowers for her house. There was a man in front of her in line and he turned around, handed her a single red rose and said, my wife always loved these. I feel like you should have this today. He didn't know her. He didn't know it was her wedding anniversary. She feels he was just a messenger from her husband on the other side. So whether it's a husband steering a car from the spirit world or a neuroscientist flying through Phoenix or a stranger handing out a red rose, the message is clear. Romance, that love is a silver cord that never, ever breaks. Love is the only currency that carries over from this world to the next. When we get back, you're going to hear more about Mary Beth and hear the beautiful story of her reunion with her soulmate after 31 years apart. And we'll talk about the ordinary banter of a marriage that continues through a very special medium from the past. Lots of love in this episode and lots of good news for all. We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. When we think about the afterlife or heaven, sometimes we picture the clouds. There's some really holy place. Maybe Saint Peter is greeting us at the pearly gates. You might see monks and guides and people in robes. It's easy to think of our loved ones becoming saints who lose their personality and become one with everything and they're oh, so holy and wise. But my research after all these years has shown me something completely different. You know what that is, is that we get to keep our personalities on the other side. Everything that makes you quirky and you, you know, with that crazy sense of humor you might have, you continue to be you. And that means our loved ones continue to be them. We fall in love with these quirks about people. They aren't boring. They still have their personality very much intact. You know, I see this every Sunday on our Sunday gathering with the medium demonstration. It's really funny sometimes with some of the shared memories that come through and what they still say they're doing in the afterlife. Anyways, let's continue. I want to talk about my friend, Mary Beth Span Mank. Her story is the perfect example of what she calls interwoven souls. Mary Beth was born in Dublin, Ireland and was adopted into a family in Buffalo, New York. She grew up with a wonderful Irish spirit and it was in high school that she met a boy named Paul in the 1970s. He was a high school valedictorian. He was smart, funny, adorable. And Mary Beth said she was instantly smitten. On their very first date, Paul told her, I really like you, but I'm only 17. And I'm probably going away to college. So don't get too hung up on me. Well, of course, Mary Beth proceeded to do exactly that. She felt head over heels in love with him. They exchanged high school rings and they were going steady. But eventually Paul walked her home and gave her the ring back. He wanted to follow his own path. Mary Beth watched him walk away and through her tears, she thought, if you truly love someone, you have to want for them what they want for themselves. So they both went off and lived entirely separate lives. They married other people. They had children. They moved to different states. Thirty one years went by without them speaking a single word. Then they reconnected online. Mary Beth says that the moment they started talking again, all that love came rushing back. It was like they were 17 again in Buffalo. Eventually, after both of their previous marriages ended, they were finally able to be together. Paul used to joke that they were finally street legal. They had 10 magnificent years together in Michigan. It was the kind of deep mature love that people dream about. But then life through them a curveball. Paul was diagnosed with cancer. Mary Beth became his caregiver and they went through an 18 month journey. And of course, was incredibly difficult, but also very special to both of them. One of the last things Paul said to her while they were sitting side by side on his hospital bed with their legs dangling over the edge was, I think this whole thing has brought us even closer together. Can you imagine that in the face of the unwanted journey of cancer? Their love for each other was growing stronger. After Paul passed, Mary Beth, of course, was heartbroken. But she was also a seeker. She wanted proof that Paul was still around her. One morning she was at the sink, brushing her teeth, just a normal, boring morning. And all of a sudden she felt flooded with goosebumps. This whoosh, it was a strong feeling that Paul was standing right there with her. It was his presence right there. So Mary Beth, of course, wanted more. She's a writer and a researcher. So she started looking into the work of a medium from the past named Leslie Flint. Now, Leslie Flint is what they call a direct voice medium. He didn't go into a trance or he wasn't talking like an ordinary medium does. He would sit in the dark with people and voices would actually manifest in the air around him, just a few feet from his head. Everyone in the room could hear them. He was one of the most tested mediums in history. Scientists would even put color dye in his mouth and tape it shut with surgical tape to prove he wasn't a ventriloquist. And yet the voices of loved ones and their same voice would fill the room. One of the most famous sets of recordings from Leslie Flint features a husband and wife, Dr. Dinsha Nanji, who was a chemist from India and his wife, Annie, who was deceased. Mary Beth spent hundreds of hours transcribing these old, scratchy recordings. It felt like she was eavesdropping on a real happy marriage. They talked about ordinary and even funny stuff. Annie would tease Dinsha about his clothes. One day she said, Dinsha, you're still wearing that hat. It's so old, it's embarrassing. Please go get yourself a new hat and tell yourself it's a gift from me. She'd even tease the medium. Mr. Flint, tell him he's getting too fat. That shows that Annie is still Annie. She was still a wife who cared about her husband's appearance and still had a sense of humor. Dinsha once asked her, Annie, when I come to see you, will I be able to feel your kiss on my lips? And she said, of course you will, darling. Our world is as solid to us as yours is to you. Doesn't that make you happy? Because it means we don't lose the physical sweetness of our relationships. Our loved ones are right here with us and they're just vibrating at a different frequency. And then Mary Beth got her own special sign that she says was statistically impossible. When she had moved to Michigan to be with Paul, she had given away a lot of her clothes. After he died, she was trying to remember the dress she had worn on the very first day. They finally became an official couple. She could remember the day, she could remember the feeling, but she couldn't remember the dress. A few days later, she was visiting a friend on Long Island. Her friend's granddaughter, who was 13, walked into the spare bedroom where Mary Beth was staying and she was wearing that exact dress. The girl had no idea who's it was or where it came from. She just picked it out of a pile in the closet. Mary Beth was shocked. She consulted a statistician who said the odds of that happening were 20 million to one. It was Paul saying, I remember that day too. I remember what you were wearing. This is it. And you look beautiful. Now, here is a story about the coffee proof. Mary Beth has a ritual where she pours two cups of coffee every single morning. One for her and one for Paul in spirit. She sits at the table and talks to him sharing her day. Sometimes she feels a little crazy doing it, thinking she's wasting a good cup of coffee by eventually pouring it down the sink. Well, she had a reading with a medium later on who didn't know a thing about her or a thing about her life. The medium stopped in the middle of the reading and said, your husband is bringing me the smell of fresh coffee. And he wants you to know it isn't a waste. He is drinking it with you. Isn't that cool? It's the ordinary, everyday things that prove the reality of the afterlife and that they're still here with us. This reminds me so much of Bob Ginsburg, the co-founder of the Forever Family Foundation. Bob was a logical left-brained insurance guy for over 40 years. He used to laugh at people who believed in the afterlife and communication through the veil. He thought we were all doing just wishful thinking, but then his daughter died in a car accident and later his wife, Fran, passed away. Bob told me that Fran had the softest, most silkiest hands and he had this habit when they were driving where he would hold out his right hand and she would grab his thumb. It was their little, I love you ritual that they did for decades. After Fran passed, Bob would be driving his car and he would hold out his thumb into the empty air, feeling like an idiot, he said, but asking her for a sign. For a year and a half, nothing happened. He'd say, Fran, come on, just grab my thumb. Then one day he said, Fran, I really need this. I'm struggling today. Suddenly he felt a vibrant, vibrating energy grasp his thumb. He said it wasn't a feeling in his head or a memory. It was a physical sensation that lasted for 15 minutes. He could feel the energy moving from the base of his thumb all the way to the tip and back down. He now says he is a kindred skeptic who has been forced to follow the evidence. And now Bob has gone on with the Forever Family Foundation, making a difference just for thousands of people in the world. I know we can't see them, my friends, but our loved ones are right here. As Annie Nanji said to her husband, their world is just as real as ours. They see you shopping, they hear you talking to them and they are definitely sitting with you or holding your hand when you need it the most. Mary Beth told me she now feels, Paul, coming and going, just like he's coming home from work. She says, I don't wallow in the pain anymore because I use that pain like a church bell. When it rings, it reminds me to start a conversation with him. I think there's some encouragement and all of that for us to do the same. If we're grieving today or if that pang of grief strikes us from out of nowhere, don't wait for something to happen. We can make something happen. Give them a sign. Pour the coffee. Buy the flowers they loved or do something that they love to do. Talk out loud while you're driving. When we raise our own vibration by acting out of love rather than out of lack and grief, I think it makes it easier for them to reach us. You've heard people say prime the pump. Well, I think that's what we're doing. And eventually love can start rushing through even taking a walk down memory lane and thinking about some favorite memories you've had with them. And don't be surprised if suddenly they put memories in your mind of things you haven't thought of in a long time. Mary Beth told me, marry, meet, marry part and marry, meet again. I like that. We met our loved ones in joy. We parted in temporary sadness, but we will absolutely meet again in a reunion that is more wonderful than anything we can imagine. And it will be forever. When we come back from the break, I'll share a story that hopefully will leave you saying, wow. And don't forget at the end, there's hope for a single people in the afterlife. If we don't find true love here first, that is, we'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM. Paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. You know, a lot of people think you need to be born with some kind of a special gift to talk to our loved ones on the other side. They think you have to be a medium or somebody who was seeing spirits in the afterlife. But you know, you have to be a medium. You have to be a person who has a special gift to talk to our loved ones on the other side. They think you have to be a medium or somebody who was seeing spirits in their crib at two years old. But my research has shown me that the only requirement for that connection is love. Love is the signal and your heart is the antenna. And sometimes we just need a little bit of a extra tool to help us tune that antenna in. But when I first read the book, it was a book by a young woman named Johnson. She wrote a book called Supernatural Love and she didn't write it alone. She says she wrote it with her husband, Alan, after he had passed away. Now, Alan was actually a medium while he was alive. So they were already open to these ideas. But when he died suddenly on his birthday, Pam wasn't thinking about mediumship or evidence. But very quickly, she started to feel him around her. He wasn't just sending signs like feathers or coins. He wanted to talk and he had things to say. He told her, Pam, I want you to write this down. If I tell you mind to mind, you're going to forget it. So Pam sat down with a pen and a notebook. I think this is practical for all of us. Pam said she had to learn to prime the pump. She admitted that sometimes she just sits there with the pen hovering over the paper and nothing happens. She feels silly. She feels like she's making it up. So Alan gave her a trick from the spirit world. He told her, just start writing. Even if the first sentence is something you make up, just continue to write. He explained that the act of writing that first sentence like, dear Pam, I am right here, opens the door. It tells your logical, doubting brain to just step aside and let the spirit world slip in to the stream of your thoughts. Pam said, you just have to jump in, channeling your family members, your spouse, your best friend. It isn't hard because you already have the love connection. We are connected. We are all one. The only stumbling block is that we believe it's hard or believe we can't do it. They ended up writing a whole book together. And the book is just a simple conversation with a husband and wife, bridging the gap between the two worlds. It was their romance just continuing on the pages of a book. So this reminds me of Stephen Simon, who I mentioned, the Hollywood producer who made What Dreams May Come and Somewhere in Time. He spent his career making movies about eternal love. But when his own wife, Lauren, passed away, he had to learn how to live it. So he gave me some advice and I think this is the missing key for many of us who try to connect. He told me that when he started writing with Lauren, people would ask him, Stephen, do you hear her voice? Does it sound like her? And he would say, no, I don't hear her voice. Instead, Stephen says he feels her words. And this is the distinction he wants us to understand. The brain speaks one language. The heart speaks another. The brain speaks in logic, doubt, etc. The heart speaks in feeling, knowing and silence. Stephen says that to connect with our loved ones, we have to be willing to learn their language. He said the brain does not understand the language of the heart because the heart plays by its own rules. When he sits down to write with Lauren, he has to get out of his own mind and into that heart space. He says it feels like a warm, sudden knowing of what she would say. It's not a sound. It's an emotion that translates into words. So if you're sitting there with a pen and you don't hear a voice, don't worry, you're not doing it wrong. Look for the feeling. Look for the sentence that might bring tears to your eyes or make you smile before you even finish writing it. That is the language of the heart. That is your loved one. And sometimes they speak to us in our own voice. In fact, our soul can do that too. When we get a good idea out of the blue or a message or a memory can sound like just us. Now, writing isn't the only way to communicate. Here's another story of love across the veil. It comes from a man named Bo Williams. Bo is a fascinating guy. He's done a lot of things. He's been a football player, a stockbroker, a screenwriter and even working his own security business. And back in 2015, he was working at an event when a young woman named Melanie walks through the door, Bo says the moment their eyes met, there was this magnetic electricity, it was that instant soulmate recognition where the rest of the room just disappeared. But life being complicated, the timing wasn't right. They circled each other's lives for eight years. They were friends and they lost touch. And then they found each other again. And finally in May of 2023, they had their first real date. Bo says it was the start of the most incredible year of his life. He finally had met his soulmate. But Melanie carried deep trauma from her past that unfortunately she had been fighting for a very long time and tragically one year and two days after their first date, she took her own life. Bo was left in what he calls a tsunami of sadness. He was waking up every morning to the nightmare that she was gone. He was in that same bedroom where they had been so happy. And now that room was so painful. But Melanie had left him a specific gift. While she was alive, she was training to be a breath work therapist. She had taught Bo an ancient breathing technique called Pranayama. It's a three part breath. You lie flat on your back, you breathe deeply into the belly, then fill up your chest. And then you exhale. It forces you to be in the present moment. Ten days after her service, Bo was lying in their bed desperate to be with her. He started doing the breathing technique she taught him. He did it for 20 minutes, just breathing, clearing his mind, getting present. Then he asked out loud, Mel, are you here? At that moment, he felt a massive euphoric surge of electricity shoot through his entire body. He described it as internal goosebumps times a thousand. It wasn't like a shiver on his skin. It was inside of his bones to his core. It was a physical sensation of pure joy, he said. It was Melanie using the very breath work she taught him to connect with him again. He realized she was saying, I am here. I am not gone. Since then, the romance hasn't just continued. It has evolved. Bo told me that Melanie has actually figured out how to use technology to keep their love alive. He'll be driving in his car or working out at the gym. And suddenly his Spotify or YouTube channel will play a song he has never heard before. But the lyrics are a direct message to him. Like the song, say yes to heaven. He even gets physical signals now. He calls it Morse code. He'll have a thought or a question about her and he will feel a specific twitch in his arm or his leg. He has learned to decipher these as yes and no messages. He says she gave me this gift of breath work and then she left me. But she left me with the very bridge I need to reach her. That reminds me of another story from a woman named Kira. Kira is a book publisher and has actually had several near death moments. But the most recent one happened when she had a severe case of covid. She was quarantined all alone while traveling in a hotel room. She felt her body shutting down. Her vision started to get fuzzy and she lay down on her bed looking up at the white ceiling. Suddenly the ceiling disappeared. She said it was replaced by an incredible light show. She saw waves of brilliant colors and shapes. What scientists might call sacred geometry and they were crashing in on each other. She didn't feel afraid. She felt an overwhelming sense of awe and love and peace like she was touching the infinite. She knew in that moment that she was dying. She felt a portal open up a literal doorway into light. She felt like she was ready to go. But then she thought of her husband Todd. She realized she couldn't leave him yet. She looked at that beautiful doorway and said, nope, not without Todd. The moment she made that choice, the portal closed. Her vision returned to normal and she came back into her body. Kira says that experience changed her forever. Now when she hears that someone has passed, she doesn't feel sad for them. She thinks, oh, my gosh, they're so lucky. They are in that absolute state of love and grace. These stories let us know that the romance isn't over. Whether it's Pam Johnson using her pen to prime the pump or Steven Simon feeling the language of the heart or Beau using his breathwork to get those internal goosebumps. The message is all the same. The relationship is not over. So let's think about that word romance. Doesn't it mean adventure? It means a mystery. It means excitement. And that is exactly what the afterlife is. It's the greatest romantic adventure of all. So if you're missing someone today, try one of those methods tonight. Maybe grab a pad of paper or start typing, dear loved one, I am here. Just see what comes next. Don't judge it. Just let the ink flow or maybe lie down, close your eyes and just breathe. Breathe them in. Do that three part breath, belly, chest and then exhale. Ask them to come close. And if you feel a tingle or a sudden warmth or maybe a goose bump or two, don't brush it off. Just say hello. We get so busy these days, don't we? And so caught up in our lives that we're not present to really feel this subtle change of energy. But when Beau feels Melanie or Pam writes with Alan, they are tapping into that magical space, so you don't need to be a medium. You just need to slow down and be in touch with your heart. When we come back for our final segment, I'm going to share an incredible conversation with Mr. Eric Robert Johnston. He is my friend in the afterlife who speaks through Transmedium. Scott Milligan, he's going to answer some big questions about soul mates and marriage in heaven, and he's going to explain why your spouse or your loved one in the spirit world isn't jealous of your life here, but they're actually cheering you on. Before we go to the break, did you know that the idea of romance lasting forever is actually written in our ancient history? One of the oldest archaeological discoveries of eternal love is a 6,000 year old burial site in Italy known as the Lovers of Val d'Arro. His two skeletons found locked in a permanent romantic embrace. The Egyptians believed that if you spoke your partner's name out loud after they passed, you were literally giving them the breath of life in the next world. So when you talk to your loved one today, you aren't just reminiscing, you're participating in a tradition of transdimensional romance. That is thousands of years old. We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart radio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal podcast network. You Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. We've spent our time together traveling through many stories. But for this final segment, I want us to quiet our minds and listen to a voice that comes directly from the other side. One of my most favorite things is on many Fridays, the trans demonstration from our dear friend, Scott Milligan, for over 28 years. Scott has been sitting and blending with the spirit world so that they can speak through him to us. When Scott goes into that deep state, a very kind gentleman named Eric Robert Johnston speaks. In fact, some of his most favorite words we put together in a book called Conversations with Eric. Eric lived in the late 1800s and I've sat with him for over 200 hours, having these incredible conversations. He's one of the wisest, most compassionate souls I have ever encountered. Recently, during one of our In the Arms of Eternity sessions, a woman named Sherry asked the exact question that I know many of us have tucked away in our hearts. Let's listen to the wisdom of Mr. Eric. So I would like to know if we truly have one soulmate. I was told that there was no marriage in heaven. And if your spouse passes before you, will they walk with you through this life? And then will you truly get to spend eternity with them in the next? Well, may I say this to you? Marriage comes from your commitment. If one is truly committed to each other, then you will continue throughout this life and in the next. If there is no love, then you go your separate ways. If you have been romanced and you have given your commitment to each other and one comes to our side of life, leaving behind the other. If this other person then starts to get romance and choose to walk that same path. As you go to commit your life to each other, someone in your world will be on one arm and your spouse will be on the other. If you truly love each other, you want the best for each other. You want each other to laugh again, to be happy again. And when you come to our side of life, you will be with each other. There is no hatred that is allowed within our world. There is only love. Some of you may think this is hard to accept, because you are conditioned to think only in one way. I myself was born in a different time. I gave my heart to my wife, but I treated her appallingly. Now I thank God, how you see God fit to be, but I have her love. And we spend each moment in each other's company, along with my children, along with their wives and husbands, with their children. And our world is beautiful. Love is the commitment to see each other as equal. And to see each other giving love to everyone. In times, my friends, and we are adults present, there is difference between your world. In marriage, you procreate. In our world, we make love. Love is about the commitment of sharing each other's company. Feeling complete with each other. But also, my friend, being complete with all life. In my time, you were not allowed to be accepted within church if you were divorced. Of course, men had greater hold than ladies. So we used to cast blame onto other people and treating people appallingly. I say, God, have you seen God to be in your time now? You all have equal voice, or so it should be. We would always say to you, if you were my wife, and please allow me to say it in this way without any insult. And I stand in my world watching you. And I have seen the pain you have gone through. And someone has come and made your heart beat again. I played a part in each other's finding. Because I would want you to be happy. I would want the best for you. And for the person you have fallen in love with. And I would walk with you throughout your life. Be proud, share it. And when it is your time, if it is your time to pass, I will then catch you. If the new husband comes to our side of life before you, I will embrace him. Because there is love. And then we will watch over you. With you. Until we both can embrace you. Now, my friend, there has been a lady as well as many gentlemen in our world who have many, many. Almost six, you know. The six different times they had been married. Some were for true love. Some were for convenience. And I say this to all of you. If you have not been romanced fully in your world, you will certainly be romanced within our world. Because it is a coming together. This is why, my friends, that we have said to all of you, love is the purity that must be shared with each other within the natural law of course. We do not discriminate. And I ask you all to accept in your understanding that you will have someone who you will call your soulmate. And there will be people that you fall in love with and fall out of love. Of course, that is experience. But you will fall back into the arms of each other. And of course, if you have married again and true love was there, your circle will become bigger and greater. So, Sherry, my dear, is that pleasing for you? Yes, thank you very much. I accept this, my friend. If you were on our side of life and someone who you have loved with all your being, you would want them to smile, wouldn't you? Absolutely. You would want them to live their life because you know that you can live on in my reality. The great lie has been ripped away. You see the world perfectly. And then if you can see someone who you have loved, not live in, but you can see someone else searching, you would bring them together, wouldn't you? Please accept it in that manner. Thank you. Isn't that wonderful? They are walking with you, cheering you on. No one is left behind. If you'd like to ask Mr. Eric your own questions, I invite you to join us on a Friday for our In the Arms of Eternity sessions. It's a beautiful time where we get to send healing to the world. And then ask our questions directly to the spirit world. You can register for that. And you can also join our free Sunday gathering with medium demonstration included by visiting my home base at we don't die dot com. You can even get a free copy of my book there to help you on your journey. Chapter 10 is How to Survive Grief. Friends, we are all just walking each other home. We are wise souls having a human experience. And romance is the heartbeat of that journey. It doesn't die. Love just becomes more beautiful than we can ever imagine. Remember that ancient Egyptian tradition? When you speak their name, you give them life. So go ahead, pour that extra cup of coffee, talk to them while you drive, or get your pen and paper out and write with them and know that you are never, ever, ever alone. I'm Sandra Champlain. 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